Every corps used to play each other off the field on finals night, starting with 12 place, down to 2nd. First place then played a full encore performance of their field show. I don't know why they stopped doing that, it was a great tradition.
@@samba2183 It could be a problem depending on how far your drive was that night. I can't remember exactly what our schedule was but hypothetically let's say retreat is over at almost midnight. At that point the post-show snack still had to be served and eaten and all the kitchen truck cleanup done, equipment, instruments, uniforms packed and loaded, everybody run around trying to find bathrooms in/near the stadium before getting on the bus, etc. That was at least another hour. So now it's around 1 am and you haven't even left the lot yet. If your next school is four hours away, you wouldn't get there until after 5. Then there's the whole process of the staff and DM checking in at the school, everyone half waking up, dragging themselves off the bus, finding their suitcases and sleeping bags in the bays, carrying everything into the school, and finally going back to sleep at almost 6. At this point most people are going to get to sleep for only two and a half, maybe three hours fully lying down rather than sitting up in a bus seat. Doing that three or four nights in a row isn't great for your stamina and mental acuity, even at 19 or 20 years old, and you need both of those at as close to 100 percent as possible every day on tour. I usually slept on the floor on the bus (don't know if that's even allowed any more) but even down there it was crowded and not all that comfortable because people were down there at every angle and in every inch of available space. The point is that at some point it seems to have been decided that the members getting an extra 1 to 2 hours of higher quality sleep was more important than those elaborate 90s retreat ceremonies we remember.
There were ahead of their time. People laughed over their white poles in this show. Every time I see some now flag, rifle, saber being used in a show I think of Star. Performing to Samuel Barber's, Medea's Dance of Vengeance.
I was a mellophone player in the '93 Cadets standing right there, front & center. I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!! One of my all-time favorite DCI shows. '93 Star ROCKS!
@@StephenKershaw1 I remember Cadets as being my favorite show that year. But truth be told, Star does stand out bigger in my mind today. They were a decade ahead of their time and were the living embodiment of the future of DCI. ... And Jacksonville sucked.
@@andywilson5234 93 Phantom is one of my all time favorite shows from that group. I used one of their songs as an audition piece for a conductor spot once.
1:49 Epic shot perfectly together 2:10 Perfect triplet roll attack 3:53 Yeah we lost by a tenth of a point I'm gonna break my instrument Best show that never won
This has to be one of the most MUSICAL percussion books (both battery AND front ensemble) of all time. Thank God that the percussion judge recognized the difficulty on finals night.
𝐈 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝟏𝟓 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞. Not kidding. After sitting ON the 50 yard line, 3/4 way up, for the Finals show, I hopped over the front wall of the stands and went down on the field. Had no idea at the time I was listening to the final notes of the Star of Indiana Drum & Bugle Corps. They were unbelievable.
My absolutely favorite show from Star of Indiana! They should have one this year, they put a lot of hard work into this show. Glad to have some the members as caption heads and drum techs years later.
This show changed modern DCI. Most corps would have never dared doing Bartok on a field. I think Crown has become the modern Star legacy, playing similar kinds of programs that are out of the ordinary. Wish Star was sitll around pushing the envelope.
brown55061 A lot of the old Star staff have been involved with Crown over the years. I believe both Donnie and Thom had extended stays with Crown, among several others as well as people who performed with Star
93 was the very peak of the activity - I say that as someone who absolutely loved 2024 Bluecoats, however the top 3 in 93 will remain unmatched, the level of innovation and VOLUME, I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
Forgot to add....major props to Star for being able to play to Garfield after losing by a tenth...when BD lost to the same corps by the same margin, we could not have done it...too painful at the moment.
That final chord is so strong it fills up the air around everything in the space. It doesn't even sound like the rest of the song, volume wise. I mean listen from 3:49 to 4:01 then listen to that lovely flat 5 sus chord just take over...I still get chills!!
You can see where Colin McNutt (on staff for Star) who was the Perc arranger for the Cadets 2013, got his inspiration for the Closer of the aforementioned show, especially the famed triplet roll where Prosperie loses his mind.
Incredible snare work, the parts really matched the almost percussive attack of the brass during the main theme in madea. Who wrote the percussion book?? Incredible
Maybe digging to deep but I find it funny how 1993 star of indiana doing an encore show of madea in front of the cadets who in 2013 would do a similar show lol. Its cool stuff
@VerdantBlue Completely agree. Most well-rounded and purest cleanest tone you can imagine. Not high brassy like BD; not low like PR. Just perfect. I think Frameworks and Four Corners are two of my favorites.
The word is that they have to be out of the stadium (in Indy for finals) at a certain time and there isn't time to play off. Not sure what the deal is the rest of the season or why they can't just start the show earlier. It was great as a marching member and I'd love to see it now sitting in the stands. :-(
I've been hearing from my old band director who is a DCI ambassador. that somebody is trying to bring Star of Indiana back. whether or not this is true, I have no clue. but if this is true. I'll be one of the first to audition, being from Indiana it would be an honor to be a part of history.
+Austin Hord I don't think Star of Indiana is actually coming back. But, a drum corps is starting up in Indiana called Indy Ignition. 2016 will be their first year in DCI Open Class.
Yes. We knew. Nothing was officially official at that moment, but Canadian Brass toured with us during DCMidwest and did some teaching along the way. The official announcement about Brass Theater came at our corps banquet in November.
In 94 the started touring with the Canadian Brass...not sure how many years they did it, nor when they transitioned to concert instruments....I think they did 94 on their G bugles, but I'm not sure. After a few years they transitioned to Blast!
I have to ask something: how competitive would this be in today's corps world? My opinion: it would still blow people away (creativity of writing, cleanliness, intensity, etc.). Opinions?
Alex Hall I totally agree with you! Cadets 2013 tried to pull Madea off but it just didn't feel the same. If Star came back (assuming they were just as established) they'd be the crowds favorite, but I don't thing it's technical enough to get high scores. I'd still love to see it happen again.
Does anyone, other than those who marched it, remeber what the Cadets did that year? Me neither...I remeber Phantom (great show, but dirty as hell) and Star.
It's all good, I marched bass there this past year. And I agree that this show is phenomenal...we talked about it all summer and heard a lot about it on our judges tapes and from fans that we sounded like them. I think that the book the battery played at crown this summer was outstanding, thom hannum really wrote us something special, as he did for star as well. But i appreciate your opinion, i just honestly wanted to know what you thought :)
@VerdantBlue Very good point. I agree about the boring aspect. But then again, I found nothing musically exciting about BD's show this past year and it won! Who knows...
TheDragonmaster18 unfortunately that's not the case. I wish. Corps like BD are all the same cookie cutter shit. The scoring system isn't really designed for stuff like this to win.
Can we appreciate the fact this moment was recorded? This is crucial history right here.
Every corps used to play each other off the field on finals night, starting with 12 place, down to 2nd. First place then played a full encore performance of their field show. I don't know why they stopped doing that, it was a great tradition.
probably time issues and stuff idk they should of kept doing it
Because it used to make retreat last until midnight 😂
@@tltinatl and? i dont see the problem.
@@samba2183 It could be a problem depending on how far your drive was that night.
I can't remember exactly what our schedule was but hypothetically let's say retreat is over at almost midnight. At that point the post-show snack still had to be served and eaten and all the kitchen truck cleanup done, equipment, instruments, uniforms packed and loaded, everybody run around trying to find bathrooms in/near the stadium before getting on the bus, etc. That was at least another hour. So now it's around 1 am and you haven't even left the lot yet. If your next school is four hours away, you wouldn't get there until after 5. Then there's the whole process of the staff and DM checking in at the school, everyone half waking up, dragging themselves off the bus, finding their suitcases and sleeping bags in the bays, carrying everything into the school, and finally going back to sleep at almost 6.
At this point most people are going to get to sleep for only two and a half, maybe three hours fully lying down rather than sitting up in a bus seat. Doing that three or four nights in a row isn't great for your stamina and mental acuity, even at 19 or 20 years old, and you need both of those at as close to 100 percent as possible every day on tour. I usually slept on the floor on the bus (don't know if that's even allowed any more) but even down there it was crowded and not all that comfortable because people were down there at every angle and in every inch of available space.
The point is that at some point it seems to have been decided that the members getting an extra 1 to 2 hours of higher quality sleep was more important than those elaborate 90s retreat ceremonies we remember.
@@tltinatl I say only do it on finals night, one last send off for the season.
and then they walked off the field, never to be seen again.
It was like a dark day.
Jason Grabowski they have already been reborn under the name Carolina Crown.
There were ahead of their time. People laughed over their white poles in this show. Every time I see some now flag, rifle, saber being used in a show I think of Star. Performing to Samuel Barber's, Medea's Dance of Vengeance.
They’re still around, they just adopted the name “Carolina Crown” over the years
They live under the name "Carolina Crown"
I was a mellophone player in the '93 Cadets standing right there, front & center. I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!! One of my all-time favorite DCI shows. '93 Star ROCKS!
@@StephenKershaw1 I remember Cadets as being my favorite show that year. But truth be told, Star does stand out bigger in my mind today. They were a decade ahead of their time and were the living embodiment of the future of DCI.
... And Jacksonville sucked.
@@StephenKershaw1 Come to think of it 93 Phantom Regiment was one of my favorite shows that year too.
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* Jackson Mississippi.
Jacksonville. 🤦🏻♂️ yeeesh!
@@andywilson5234 93 Phantom is one of my all time favorite shows from that group. I used one of their songs as an audition piece for a conductor spot once.
@@andywilson5234 I'm like wtf did Jacksonville FL have to do with this lmao
1:49 Epic shot perfectly together
2:10 Perfect triplet roll attack
3:53 Yeah we lost by a tenth of a point I'm gonna break my instrument
Best show that never won
And For the Common Good is right after that
the 1:49 shot is so nasty
@@animeprincess98 no its not wym?
I said it then and I'll say it now, Star got robbed. I had 2 friends march for Cadets that year, but Star had the better show!
Well that’s your opinion….🤷♂️
This has to be one of the most MUSICAL percussion books (both battery AND front ensemble) of all time. Thank God that the percussion judge recognized the difficulty on finals night.
THOSE TENOR STICK HEIGHTS OH MY GOD.
GODLY
Man....that very LAST time Star performed as a drum corps....miss them.
homfencing Check out their reunion performances!
I love how even with all the insanely hyped out heights and all that jazz, the batterie is still inhumanly clean.
𝐈 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝟏𝟓 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐚 𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞. Not kidding. After sitting ON the 50 yard line, 3/4 way up, for the Finals show, I hopped over the front wall of the stands and went down on the field. Had no idea at the time I was listening to the final notes of the Star of Indiana Drum & Bugle Corps. They were unbelievable.
You weren't there.
@@desertcoliseum I was!
Holy crap, that's a baby Matt Harloff! I love this vid, so much (deserved) hype, they should have won it, IMHO.
I remember watching this 10 years ago in high school. One of the most clean runs I've ever heard!
This video was legendary when I first saw it in high school over twenty years ago. People had it on bootleg VHS.
I cant get over the cleanliness of the one note at 1:48.
ME EITHER IM SO HAPPY YOU NOTICED THAT
I’d 100% put this show up against anything going on today and I think it would still be competitive.
I wish retreat was still like this.
They could play a show standing still- and it still made sense musically.
My absolutely favorite show from Star of Indiana! They should have one this year, they put a lot of hard work into this show. Glad to have some the members as caption heads and drum techs years later.
best drumline ever. Nothing has been the same since. Total game changer.
Have you played the snare book for star then go right in to cadets book ? Or compare both books to 94 blue devils?
2010 phantom lmao
@@dylancouch7286 valid
@@dylancouch7286 phantoms percussion under the Rennicks was just 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
Legendary corps, still an example for many. Wish they were still competing!
They are. They just are in the carolinas under the name "Carolina Crown"
that bass 2 roll at 1:50...tight
He was one of the best bass drummers ever. 96 Devs #2 was one of the greats also.
Yep - Jerede Brown who marched Bass #1 with the Cadets 88-89, Bass #2 90-91 and then Star 1993 Bass #2
This show changed modern DCI. Most corps would have never dared doing Bartok on a field. I think Crown has become the modern Star legacy, playing similar kinds of programs that are out of the ordinary. Wish Star was sitll around pushing the envelope.
brown55061 A lot of the old Star staff have been involved with Crown over the years. I believe both Donnie and Thom had extended stays with Crown, among several others as well as people who performed with Star
That's no accident... Matt Harloff, Star's drum major in '93, is Crown Brass's caption head, and has been since 2002. Crown IS the modern-day Star.
@@cedricbarnett7647 Lol not since like 2016 tbh
best drum corps money could buy. still gives me the chills to watch this show.
Still get goose bumps... I was lucky to see them in Tampa, Florida... Amazing!!!
Still in love with this in 2019!!!
93 was the very peak of the activity - I say that as someone who absolutely loved 2024 Bluecoats, however the top 3 in 93 will remain unmatched, the level of innovation and VOLUME, I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
Forgot to add....major props to Star for being able to play to Garfield after losing by a tenth...when BD lost to the same corps by the same margin, we could not have done it...too painful at the moment.
That final chord is so strong it fills up the air around everything in the space. It doesn't even sound like the rest of the song, volume wise. I mean listen from 3:49 to 4:01 then listen to that lovely flat 5 sus chord just take over...I still get chills!!
The tuning scheme in the tenors sets up the horn lines note so perfectly at 0:44
Cleanest line of all time
Holy poop!!!! I wish I could see Star of Indiana live back then!
0:38 i can’t comprehend how clean that is! jesus
You can see where Colin McNutt (on staff for Star) who was the Perc arranger for the Cadets 2013, got his inspiration for the Closer of the aforementioned show, especially the famed triplet roll where Prosperie loses his mind.
This gives me chills every freaking time, its just RAW Energy!
That drumline is still so tight
Incredible snare work, the parts really matched the almost percussive attack of the brass during the main theme in madea. Who wrote the percussion book?? Incredible
Don nix Thom Hannum and Bob Dubinski
I would add best "Quality of Sound" drumline ever.
Wait a minute Matt Harloff was in Star before going to Crown??
Jason Grabowski yes indeed!
He was drum major for Star in '93. I don't know if he was ever actually a marching member at Crown.
Ryan Boots He started in the Phantom Regiment Cadets.
@@RyanBoots yes he also marched brass prior.
And now he has brought the legacy of Star of Indiana (the brass) to Carolina Crown.
The laughing at the end probably felt good!!😄😄 Just an incredible show!!
WOW! Wish I had been there! Outstanding!
The legend himself Nick Angelis.
Maybe digging to deep but I find it funny how 1993 star of indiana doing an encore show of madea in front of the cadets who in 2013 would do a similar show lol. Its cool stuff
And had Colin McNutt writing the drum book.
Mike Jackson might explain why the won drums. The legacy continues.
dang... awesome video!
I was there. Love this.
What a good year for Drum Corps.
@VerdantBlue Completely agree. Most well-rounded and purest cleanest tone you can imagine. Not high brassy like BD; not low like PR. Just perfect. I think Frameworks and Four Corners are two of my favorites.
Nick Angelis looks so pissed after that run through .
The word is that they have to be out of the stadium (in Indy for finals) at a certain time and there isn't time to play off. Not sure what the deal is the rest of the season or why they can't just start the show earlier. It was great as a marching member and I'd love to see it now sitting in the stands. :-(
I love it when you hear "Stay calm don't screw it up."
I've been hearing from my old band director who is a DCI ambassador. that somebody is trying to bring Star of Indiana back. whether or not this is true, I have no clue. but if this is true. I'll be one of the first to audition, being from Indiana it would be an honor to be a part of history.
+Austin Hord I don't think Star of Indiana is actually coming back. But, a drum corps is starting up in Indiana called Indy Ignition. 2016 will be their first year in DCI Open Class.
Yeah it would be
+Corbin Buckley the closest there is would be crown, Matt Harloff was even the star '93 drum major
That already did under the name Carolina Crown.
Did they know this would be their last show ever?
Yes. We knew. Nothing was officially official at that moment, but Canadian Brass toured with us during DCMidwest and did some teaching along the way. The official announcement about Brass Theater came at our corps banquet in November.
In 94 the started touring with the Canadian Brass...not sure how many years they did it, nor when they transitioned to concert instruments....I think they did 94 on their G bugles, but I'm not sure.
After a few years they transitioned to Blast!
THE TRIPLET ROLL AT 0:38
My favorite clip in all of dci history, you can just see and hear the fuck you to cadets!!! Star All way!!
even at full intensity, they still sounds awesome! greatest drum corps of all time!!!
My home town ^_^ Awesome!
Check the sound quality on the basses.
Best closer ever!!!
STILL my fav DCI show ever.. one tenth of a point.. still can't believe STAR lost. AWESOME.
@R00ST3R77
1993 was the last year. Then they continued to do concert performances in 1994 outside of DCI.
Why did they stop this tradition? It's so regal or something I do not know the word.
This is hard core!
I was making a figure of speech. Cadets did a piss clean show, but it was nothing compared to Star
Great!
1:15 "Stay calm, dont be screwing up" Nice!
Its funny to see the guard mocking the battery haha
They were actually doing their part of the show at that point. It's kinda where Medea loses her shit.
In "Blast!" and the Alumni reunion the guard added this movement to the choreography.
I have to ask something: how competitive would this be in today's corps world? My opinion: it would still blow people away (creativity of writing, cleanliness, intensity, etc.). Opinions?
Alex Hall I totally agree with you! Cadets 2013 tried to pull Madea off but it just didn't feel the same. If Star came back (assuming they were just as established) they'd be the crowds favorite, but I don't thing it's technical enough to get high scores. I'd still love to see it happen again.
The average number today is about 12-15 members. Ok so thats not exactly waaaay more, but it still makes a huge difference.
A lot of people don't realize that Justin Bieber was in this drumline.
4:18 Nick Angelis slapping down his gauntlet like a BAWSS
John Corley is one of the best. Hope you're well out there, sir!
best drumline ever
@drumer93 That note is so tight it almost doesn't exist.
@idowork7000 LOL, yes, Crown is kicking ass!
thom is my fuckin hero
@VerdantBlue its about time then. im rooting for Cavies, Scouts, Phantom, Cadets, SCV, & Blue Coats
I think Canadian Brass was around for 94 and 95. then in 96 it turned into blast right?
17 years later...
STILL the shit.
30 years later too😃
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!
Looks like a lot of anger and frustration being released in that performance.
That’s what the show was about, but the context of this performance matched perfectly with the anger of the show.
2:10 oh my god
Does anyone, other than those who marched it, remeber what the Cadets did that year? Me neither...I remeber Phantom (great show, but dirty as hell) and Star.
The kings go off to war, medieval type show.
My teacher is one of the guys on the snare line. I can't depict which one tho ;/
....miss retreats like that!!
so I don't know if anybody has an answer to this, but why exactly was Star performing to the Cadets after finals was over? I'm just curious, haha.
That's how they used to do it back in the day. All the corps played to the champion. It was an amazing experience.
@VerdantBlue i never heard of pacific crest where are they from?
Cadets did Hymsomg of a philip bliss or however it's spelled
It's all good, I marched bass there this past year. And I agree that this show is phenomenal...we talked about it all summer and heard a lot about it on our judges tapes and from fans that we sounded like them. I think that the book the battery played at crown this summer was outstanding, thom hannum really wrote us something special, as he did for star as well. But i appreciate your opinion, i just honestly wanted to know what you thought :)
0:35 what the fuck....
Where is the full show at? Its unreal
shhhhh...www.dailymotion.com/video/x4xod97
broken drum heads that season= over nine-thousand.
Drum Gods
@VerdantBlue Seriously?! Where did you hear that from???
That sounds right.
crown 2012?
Abby Seay I think crowns Medea was better than star, so they compete
Crown 2016 (Relentless).
@VerdantBlue Are people from the original staff organizing it or what?
Was Matt Belko on stars line this year??
@VerdantBlue Canadian Brass.
@VerdantBlue Very good point. I agree about the boring aspect. But then again, I found nothing musically exciting about BD's show this past year and it won! Who knows...
Why exactly did Star of Indiana stop doing DCI?
Star....... say no more
damn star is a beast. if these guys come back blue devils would never win a competition ever again
TheDragonmaster18 unfortunately that's not the case. I wish. Corps like BD are all the same cookie cutter shit. The scoring system isn't really designed for stuff like this to win.
Alejandro Valenzuela thus why Crown has not won more then once