In the Knights of Malta address, there was mention of a part 2 on the Church's response. Could you please release that (I don't think it has been released so far). If you can't release that video, could you please do episodes on it for the Word on Fire Show? Thank you.
That original video was the main reason why I stopped being an atheist after 20-years; and I'm currently in the process of converting into Catholicism. I now pray daily (I am subscribed to the liturgy of the hours because I felt kind of lost on how to pray properly after avoiding it for so long) and I can testify that these liturgy of the hours has pretty much almost cured my anxiety and depression. The Hallow app has helped me a lot. I love to listen to Francis for my prayers--his voice is so soothing! It is so amazing what God has done for me. I have been on psychiatric medication for years and was even hospitalized because I was extremely suicidal. I was finally removed off my antidepressant (under the watchful eyes of my therapist and psychiatrist, of course) and my symptoms have not returned! My psychiatrist and therapist are overjoyed and I don't need to see them so often anymore (I've been seeing my therapist weekly for over 7-years). And it's not just that... my mood has improved so much! I feel happier, lighter and just like an overall positive person. Which is very odd for me because I was the age old goth girl. I mean, I still have that chic gothic look, but I'm genuinely happy and cannot wait for my future. And now I started a nonprofit (with Catholic values, of course) to help other people that were in a similar situation as me. Never would I have done any of this. It's like as soon as my faith returned, things strangely started to fall into place. I tried to convince myself that I was being delusional (leftovers from my atheism), but everyone saw the change in me and my mother is now interested in catholicism. Please do more of these videos. You just might save more people like me. We just need to hear reasonable answers to our questions that have remained unanswered for so long.
Congratulations! I too am a convert, not from atheism, but from the Baptist church. You have a wonderful journey ahead of you, filled with endless learning and discovery.
As a former atheist who struggled with anxiety and depression I feel you. Once I found my faith life has been so much better. It is a constant work to unpack the teachings that you don’t realize was there in the first place but it’s worth the time. Praying for you on your journey.
Welcome home! Praying that you persevere because if you follow the beautiful spiritual life, the devil will strike you from all angles. Happy for you! God bless us all!
While many philosophers would disagree with this characterization of Marx, the bishop has made an admirable, honest effort to engage the thinker (as opposed to a straw man). First time I have seen this from a religious man.
And first time I hear it from Bishop Barron. Dire conditions have rise to a Karl Marx and though his solution was erroneous he brought to the forefront the evils of capitalism at that time. All the laws passed protecting the workers are part of the inheritance of socialism.
Five minute in to this I must admit I felt antagonistic as I thought you were going to leave out too much context and balance and just deride Marx, while ignoring the massive contributions this man has made indirectly (ex. five day work week etc). However you did take all my concerns into consideration and provided a great summary. It was so important that you added the time and place and how horrible daily life must have been for factory workers in the 1800's. Especially how you added that Marx would have been against Communism in Russia due to its (at the time) less advanced and agrarian nature. Great job. Peace and Love. Now maybe you can speak to the evils of people like JP Morgan and early American Capitalists and all the dirty dealings they would engage in. Christianity needs clear and highly intelligent speakers like you....keep up the good work.
It is interesting to note, and I learned this recently, that in the middle ages there was no work on the Sabbath, and, in addition, about 40 to 60 feast days during the year in which one was released from toil. That’s effectively a five day work week.
Needed to hear this definitely since Marxism is on the rise and I need to be able to speak intelligently about it, including with fellow Secular Franciscans and Catholics of every kind.
I think Sanders appealed to young people because of how honest he was. If you look at his record he has mantained his politics consistent for decades which you can not say about 90 % of the democratic party. Young people today are accustomed to using the internet to see if claims are real and Sanders seems to really believe what he preaches.
@@cincinnatione8643 He wrote a best-selling book that made him a lot of money. I don't see anything wrong with that. He's a really old guy and has been on politics for decades. I don't see how him making money somehow invalidates him. Please forgive me and let me know if that's not your point and I'm misunderstanding you.
@@Carlos-ln8fd because if he really believed what he was preaching he would only keep exactly what he'd need to live, and donate every other penny to the IRS to run his beloved socialized programs. He's a sell-out just like every other commie that gets into a seat of power.
Bernie Sanders is an atheist that honeymooned in the Soviet Union. What would you say about an occultist who intentionally honeymooned in Nazi Germany so he could be spiritually closer to Adolph H? Hopefully you would say nothing good. Sanders is in the exact same category, except for his side butchered more people.
I wrote a comment here twice, very intellectual on Father Rapp being Mr. Communism not Carl Marx. I was taken down twice, so much for American Democratic Free Speech's first unwritten rule, "We the People, agree to disagree." While here, I am 70 years old, I knew Archbishop Sheen before his death, he tried to save me from a case of alcoholism and wanted me to become a Catholic Priest. God Almighty saved me from my alcoholism, and then guided me and my life to become our Nation's, Templar Sherlock Holmes, crimefighter.
Even if Karl Marx has not existed, this type of political movement that some calle left others comunism or wokeism would also have existed as a response to capitalism
I like watching this channel for a deeper understanding of catholicism and christianity but this is a really garbage explanation of marxism ngl. Any explanation of marxism that doesn't talk about labor theory of value and exploitation of labor? These things are what he builds his entire philosophy on. Ur "agreements" with marx are far more like agreements with Bernie Sanders (who is not a marxist btw he's just a social democrat)
That's so true. That particular podcast was really enlightening. As a clinical psychologist with 40 years' work experience, Bishop's presentation made me rethink and reflect on my life and career, in the way I have been helping people as a life mentor. Indeed, a lot of my training has been anchored on unexamined premises on the above four influences. Thank you!
Great discussion! Bishop Barron who is an intellectual giant reminds me of our beloved seminary professor of Philosophy - Fr. Ronan Callahan, CP who was well-loved by his students everywhere, whether in USA or Philippines. He was for me a great scholar whose thoughts and writings are equal to or even surpass the philosophical writers of his time (he died at the age of 92 in 2015) having an encyclopedic mind. What puzzles me till now is that he remained to be humble and not known in the intellectual circles. Perhaps his students in St Michael's Seminary in USA can tell. Thanks and God be forever blessed! Thank you, Bp Barron, you are one of a kind bishop in our world immersed in secularism and godlessness. Continue to shine brightly in your youtube programs.
Jesus, Peter and Paul said the Father is the God of Abraham and Israel, the one who spoke from heaven when Jesus got baptized, the one who glorified Jesus. And, the God of Abraham gave his name to Moses. Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Son and Servant, Jesus, John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, THE ONE WHO YOU SAY IS YOUR GOD. Hebrews 5:5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” Exodus 6:3 King James Bible And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by MY NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
I so appreciate these topics your team is bringing forward. If only Bishop had been a teacher when I was in school I would have been enthralled. Keep them coming. I was always proud to be Catholic but Bishop has helped me to articulate why to others. God bless you all. Thank you Bishop Barron!
Moscow is big city. And it was century ago.. But Revolution happened in Petrograd. Three revolutions actually. One in 1905, and two in 1917. Two bourgeois revolutions, and finally October Socialist Revolution, that gave new opportunity to this world. To working class and all people of good will. Marx could not predict Russian Revolution. And he was not oracle. That was not his intention. But he gave us the method. Historical and dialectical materialism. And it’s not sort of dogma (that religious people might think), it is sort of the tool that we can use to build brighter future.
THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries. I . . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the Church, especially those principal truths which are directly opposed to the errors of this day. And first of all, I profess that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world (see Rom. 1:19), that is, from the visible works of creation, as a cause from its effects, and that, therefore, his existence can also be demonstrated: Secondly, I accept and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts and especially miracles and prophecies as the surest signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this time. Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by the real and historical Christ when he lived among us, and that the Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and his successors for the duration of time. Fourthly, I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously. I also condemn every error according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop indefinitely. Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source. By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our Creator and Lord. Furthermore, with due reverence, I submit and adhere with my whole heart to the condemnations, declarations, and all the prescripts contained in the encyclical Pascendi and in the decree Lamentabili, especially those concerning what is known as the history of dogmas. I also reject the error of those who say that the faith held by the Church can contradict history, and that Catholic dogmas, in the sense in which they are now understood, are irreconcilable with a more realistic view of the origins of the Christian religion. I also condemn and reject the opinion of those who say that a well-educated Christian assumes a dual personality-that of a believer and at the same time of a historian, as if it were permissible for a historian to hold things that contradict the faith of the believer, or to establish premises which, provided there be no direct denial of dogmas, would lead to the conclusion that dogmas are either false or doubtful. Likewise, I reject that method of judging and interpreting Sacred Scripture which, departing from the tradition of the Church, the analogy of faith, and the norms of the Apostolic See, embraces the misrepresentations of the rationalists and with no prudence or restraint adopts textual criticism as the one and supreme norm. Furthermore, I reject the opinion of those who hold that a professor lecturing or writing on a historico-theological subject should first put aside any preconceived opinion about the supernatural origin of Catholic tradition or about the divine promise of help to preserve all revealed truth forever; and that they should then interpret the writings of each of the Fathers solely by scientific principles, excluding all sacred authority, and with the same liberty of judgment that is common in the investigation of all ordinary historical documents. Finally, I declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition; or what is far worse, say that there is, but in a pantheistic sense, with the result that there would remain nothing but this plain simple fact-one to be put on a par with the ordinary facts of history-the fact, namely, that a group of men by their own labor, skill, and talent have continued through subsequent ages a school begun by Christ and his apostles. I firmly hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in the succession of the episcopacy from the apostles. The purpose of this is, then, not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems better and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different, may never be understood in any other way. I promise that I shall keep all these articles faithfully, entirely, and sincerely, and guard them inviolate, in no way deviating from them in teaching or in any way in word or in writing. Thus I promise, this I swear, so help me God. . .
As a staunch Protestant, I find Mr Barron a very interesting and intelligent man. He is also correct that modern Marxists knew that their revolution could not succeed by class struggle but by identity politics. I may not share his particular view on God, but wish him nothing but peace and goodwill.
Bishop barron is a man of God! He does not have a view of God! He has been anointed by the Holy Spirit and sent to serve the Lord wherever he is sent!!!that is christianity!! He did not self appoint himself, nor does he own any churches like in your cafeteria system of 100,000 sects!!!
I have just come across this channel, and I will be listening to a lot more of it. Having said that, I am impressed by the Bishop. Yesterday, I was thinking that if I was to go back to church, it would be the Catholic Church. The Bishop here makes the Catholic Church more appealing.
Great video summary. The alt-right is also pretty anti-institutional as well. The alt-right and the woke crowd are just mirror images of each other. We need principled classic conservatives and classical liberals to regain the middle ground.
The problem is that extremism is promoted by social media. Both extremes amplify each other by constantly reacting against and fighting one another. Leaders like Trump and AOC stoke the flames and make it worse.
I clicked like with qualification. Classic conservative and classic liberal are pretty much synonymous. New Deal/Great Society liberal I would pretty much agree with but with a more mutualist/distributivist focus.
What exactly is the alt right? Republicans? Libertarians? Skinhead neo-nazis? To most, alt right is anything right of centre. Misleading at best. Be specific in these touchy times!
Yes. Balance is important. Conservatives and Progressives both have something to offer society and it would be chaotic if one of them just disappeared.
Minimum wage laws, assuming they are high enough to actually make a difference (most wages already prevailing in the market are higher) potentially harm the poor by eliminating jobs, stunting job creation, and harming current workers with reduced hours and benefits. Even the workers that are supposed to be helped complain about them for these reasons. They are also more expensive than they appear since they boost required Social Security contributions from both the employee and the employer. And yes, I am Catholic and teach economics. Catholic Social Justice teaching is fine in principle, provided it is informed by the Economic Way of Thinking. If you want more on this, go to the Acton Institute and Acton University.
... make no mistake, Im with you Father: the culture of individualism, of ‘no one tell me what to do’ ... is deplorable & delusional, of the 'self-made man/woman' ... but on socialism / Marxism - as a practice, look at post-revolutionary Cuba. That is another approach - Pray for the sufferings of Cubans. “United States elite was eager to snuff out the example of Cuba [for ~60 years now under full spectrum blockade], which showed that even a poor country could transcend the socioeconomic conditions of poverty. ... There is a streak of vindictiveness that runs through US policies against Cuba, an island that proved during the pandemic that its revolutionary process cares for its people. The example of public health care in Cuba, despite being a small island nation, should be exported around the world” (R Waters, V Prashad, Manolo De Los Santos).
What did Karl Marx say about Planned Obsolescence and the annual depreciation of automobiles? It must not be important since economists do not talk about it today.
Thank you Mr.Bishop for your explanation l am often confused with this philosophy of Marx unfortunately tought us in school in Hungary long time ago . God blesse you
@@susiboh1183 Not a book to read if you care about facts over exaggerations. I feel bad that the author suffered under a so called communist regime. But to then lay that all on the feet of Marx is a bridge too far. Eastern Europeans had suffered and continued to long before Marx entered the picture. Marx never believed that Eastern Europe was a sensible place to begin Communism as they were far too backward and having not advanced sufficiently enough. It is akin to when people try to erroneously stated that Hitler was a Socialist because of the name of his party. He was anything but.
I'm a huge fan of Bishop Barron, but just to keep things into perspective. Bishop Barron is clearly NOT an economist, nor does he have a degree in Politics. He should have made that clear from the outset. I think he's slightly out of his depth when discussing this particular subject. His background is more in Theology and Philosophy, so I think he needs to tread very carefully when he starts discussing economic or Political theory. He passes judgement on others who discuss Theology, who's background might be only scientific for example. So in the same way, he should be very careful when discussing or giving advice on economic or Political theory. Therefore I don't think he's the best person to listen to on this particular subject. For example, my brother is a Catholic economist and he strongly supports a lot of Karl Marx theories and it has nothing to do with being young, Woke or anything else. He's purely coming from an Academic, Political, economic and History background (specifically focusing on economic theory) based in the UK. He's 58 years old, so not a young person. Also he's not been shaped all his life by American Capitalist, anti socialist Propaganda. Something we need to keep in mind when listening to many American Catholic commentators. You can see that Bishop Barron feels disdainful towards Marx and is at pain to give any credit whatsoever. You can hear it in his voice. And in this case, I find this particular video shows a rather patronising and arrogant side of Bishop Barron unfortunately.
A smart and nuanced treatment of Marxism. It's important he made the point the Church is not in favour of unfettered capitalism either. Not all Catholics realise this sadly. However, Is Bernie Sanders really that "socialist"? I wonder.
I completely agree with you on that last remark. To not nee how Bernie Sanders is the only uncorrupted, honest and humble gem in the US Senate, is (to me) just a fatal lack of discernment, or an accidental show of political cards. Bernie Sanders as the radicalization of the democratic party...? Wow. This shows me that the church, in the end, is too conservative a bulwark, and too afraid to be radical and courageous (the way Jesus was), to ever be on the right side of history.
@Prasanth Thomas I'm not criticizing capitalism as such. It has obvious benefits in terms of general wealth creation. The sad reality is that human nature can have a tendency to not be as generous as the word of God recommends. Trade unions and activism for better wages and conditions also had a hand in reducing poverty in the west. The Church teaches against extremes at either end of the capitalism/socialism scale in the name of justice.
@@marktynan1472 i agree. I think unions are a natural phenomenom in a healthy capitalist (I prefer to call it free market) system. You want workers? You better treat them well.
After all it seems to me that you put those ideas inside out, they might be more workable. Instead of impeading or imposing ideas on the masses, let them foment and come from the inside... they'll be born naturally... if lack is not present or equally distributed so it feels less present under the skin... people tend to unite, to make it work. I read somewhere that the Vatican is the wealthiest instituation of the world, I don't know how and if one can come to that conclusion, not aware of their criteria or methods either... just wanted to say that some extreme overwealth could possibly be united for the sake of humanity. Like a restart but better. No obligations, no coercion whatsoever... just give people the necessary space, time... so their best qualities, now suffocated by pressure and requierements/expectations, can arise again/recalibrate into their natural state. I do believe all humans are lovelable beings in se under neutral circumstances. So, that way it is only a question of time to aknowledge beautiful blossoming. Don't you think so? Not sure if you're reading the comments, that is a whole lot of work... Therefore I ponder my comment as a wish, for a world free from harm and full of collaboration. I dream of such a world. May this dream come true. For now, I wish all of you a wonderful day. Thanks again for this conversation, it could be the start of something huge. Sincerly yours.
@@Kristy-dd4wo What propaganda is it you think he’s pushing? You clearly haven’t listened to many of his talks if you honk he’s not teaching Catholic values. While talks like this don’t appear Catholic at first look, they absolutely are important to a knowledgeable Catholic population. He is actually teaching Catholics exactly what & why the atheist enemies of Jesus believe & what they are trying to accomplish. We can’t fight back effectively against all these secular atheists with prep school & Ivy League educations, & if we can’t fight back, we can’t win back our society for God. My guess is you hate Bishop Barron because he doesn’t 100% agree with you on some issue & like the Leftists you want to destroy anyone who disagrees with you. There are plenty of online spaces for that kind of hateful stupidity that does nothing but burn down the world, but this channel is not that place. This is a channel of Christian love & learning & if we disagree, we disagree lovingly. We all would live for you to give those values a try & stick around, but if you only want to spread hate & chaos, this is not the place for you.
@@southbug27 I would argue your response to Kristy is more hateful than hers. Though I do not agree with her I appreciate that she took the time to watch. You seek to attack the left, while possibly overlooking that both the left and right need each other. Barron is clearly right wing and I find myself more left leaning. I would believe that Jesus would be more left than right wing in thought. Bishop Barron would think the opposite. Good chance the truth is somewhere in between. And most importantly I highly respect Mr. Barron as a human and as a thinker. Catholics have both a left and a right the same as politics and just maybe that is a necessary thing. It was actually Tolstoy that reminded me of the two most important teachings in the Gospels.... 1. Turn the other cheek (so deeply mystical I love it). 2. To love thy neighbour. I try my best (and fail a lot) to constantly remind myself of these two principles. Don't forget that Jesus would not tell someone this is not the place for them.
The Lord Jesus Christ should not be limited to political attitudes that were created 2000 years after his resurrection. Be a Christian and let the secular labels fall away, they're useless.
Correction: Engel was not a rich man. He and Karl Marx lived on Engel’s farther’s money earned by his capitalistic business. Ironically, Marx hated capitalism and yet lived his whole life on its profits. Never lifted a finger very much like Bernie Sanders!
Big thanks His Grace! Whatever I am in now, it would still be safe for me to entrust myself to His Holy Will. Alienation, etc.,the rough roads, whatever it is, all will find rest and satisfaction in Him... Yeah, if I'll be the captain of my journey, if I will listen my desires and thought for now, I will surely be lost...I would rather choose to suffer for a little while and allow Him to take the lead for I know He will not fail the little one who's real desires and joy is His... At least for now, it seems, it is clear what to set aside... I would probably keep my focus to continue... Thanks for the help! Deo Gratias! 🙏💖🙏💖
I think it's unfortunate to put communism and socialism/Marxism in the same box. I would like to see a Christian critique of both Socialism and Capitalism.
I'm a Catholic and find Bishop Barron's explications of philosophy and theology illuminating, and fair-minded (after all, doesn't the mission of Catholics living in the world involve engage, at some level or another, in a Logos understood through the ordinary-language sense of reason, which means sincere commitment to enquiry, rather than unreflective equivocation, straw-manning etc). The video on Foucault - a figure I respect for his skill in enquiry re the 'archaeology' of concepts, even if I have reservations about him both politically-theoretically, and, particularly when approaching him from a Catholic bodily-ethics perspective, re. his personal conduct - I thought crystallized this. However, I think the characterization of Bernie Sanders, the 'political desires' of millennials in the wake of contemporary political conditions, and Marx are overly reductive, even in this short video. Bernie's program was/is essentially Social Democratic, a more moderate, US form of post-war Scandinavian social democracy. Nordic SD didn't cure society of all its ills, nor did it claim to - but was successful in terms of international measurements around human happiness ( the right to a home, the ability to raise a family, the ability to co-manage one's labour, the ability to exercise time) - as well as a structural and political emphasis upon sustainability and restraint rather than accelerated consumerism (as 'bad' forms of mimetic desire, after Girard, or forms of ressentiment, using Nietzsche in his proper place rather than to justify atheism), and egregious and spiritually toxic levels of wealth disparity. There was no repression of right to religion, there were no Gulags in Sweden or Denmark, and whilst there was certainly state investment and co-management, there were no Stalinist 5 year plans. Eliding any kind of critique of free-market capitalism with Stalinism is beneath the Bishop or any sincere Catholic. Bishop Barron is well versed enough in political theory not to make these kinds of misrepresentations, particularly since Marxist, left-communitarian, and Post-Liberal (Catholic social thought of the kind Bishop Barron professes) all have a grounding in the common, interwoven 'good life' of Aristotle which is quite contrary to the liberal premises around freedom and self-actualization which formed the chief basis for the actant critique of Bernie from the mainstream. Furthermore to wonder why young people might be drawn to Bernie's program or to the socialist critique of western capitalism, in the wake of environmental crisis, rampant liberalism whose endpoint or telos is - quite literally - a faustian/satanic valorization of the self for 'gain' and destruction of the individual and social body-social, a politics grounded in variations of the Lie or at least what Kant called the private use of reason rather than the commonwealth, inaction, the inability to cultivate family life and so forth... is staggering. Even figures associated with the Right like Sohrab Ahmari - a Catholic convert and co-editor of Compact (a heterodox, post-liberal and broadly Social Democratic magazine of politics and ideas) have recognized and engaged with these phenomena, invited dialogue with leftists genuinely concerned with the 'social' rather than libertinism or sectarianism and with their critiques of 'tendencies', and promoted an alliance around policy which also affirms a space (or indeed tries to promote, if ecumenically) where purpose can be understood beyond the secular and religion has a role in public life. Again, quite distinct from indifferent modernism or Stalinist violence towards ideological competitors. Personally, I don't identify as any kind of MLM - the ideal 'earthly kingdom' or exemplifying of the holy spirit as 'community' would be somewhere between More's Utopia as 'base' and standard Catholic distributionalism for 'second-order' goods. This would be a more radicalised (structurally-left) form of post-Liberalism. Nevertheless, there is a tradition of Catholic (heterodox)Marxism (McCabe) in the Church, and even those who have moved away from the Marxist aspect as an identifier, whether McIntyre or the Tradinistae movement - have no issue incorporating its insights in their conception of the social gospel. I know the Bishop is a post-liberal but there are post-liberal theologians (for instance John Milbank) who open (a) synthesise the critiques afforded by Marx around economic relations, ideology and crisis whilst critiquing the materialist-limitations of standard Marxism in grounding the 'eschaton' purely in matter, and (b)recognize the crisis.
"Fomenting violence" , meaning, to tear down the social, and economic structure already in place in order to replace it ( as quickly as possible) with the utopian social and economic structure imagined by those in power, regardless of the cost to human life, or to a social, economic, and physical infrastructure. Regardless of the cost and sufferings it would cause for the generations following this deconstructive violence. It doesn't make sense. The means to the end does not make sense. Especially if the grievances put forth by Marx regarding Capitalism include the dehumanizing of the worker, and the economic divide it creates between people. How does fomenting violence, and a class war which will inevitably lead to the destruction of human beings, their homes, and their livelihoods, justify the end which is the imagined utopia called Communist Socialism? It does not make sense. Also, does it really make any sense, trying to make everyone the same economically or otherwise? Would we have medicine as it is today? What are the real catalysts for positive change in the world? I do not believe they can be found in pure utopian ideologies. The real catalysts for positive change in human life are found in human virtues such as compassion, humility, and love.
Thank you, Bishop Barron, for the best, most balanced, analysis of Marx I ever heard. Have felt guilty since my late conversion for my adherence to his ideas. You deftly separated an agreement with his diagnosis of criticism of unbridled capitalism with his proscription for armed revolt and societal dismantlement.
I like Bishop Barron, but Bernie Sanders isn’t “socialist” lol Sanders has only ever advocated for policies the citizens of pretty much every other developed country already enjoy 🤦🏽♂️ I’m sorry, but America needs to be dragged into the 21st century whether we like it or not if we want to still be relevant by the end of the century; in the same way FDR dragged and set America up for the prosperity and quality of life it enjoyed in the latter half of the 20th century
@@BishopBarron It would be a good idea than to extrapolate on what a 'Democratic Socialist" is. What their values are. Where does it differ from other forms etc.? For instance most advanced nations have socialism style health care. Most of these nations would never want to give that up. They are proud of it (at least the overwhelming majority). In fact it is a far more efficient system to boot (10% GDP on avg vs. 18% USA on healthcare). That is an example of Democratic Socialism. So one must ask, which would align more with the teachings of Jesus the current American style or the Socialism style Bernie proposes (and most advanced nations have (I do in Canada)? Don't forget Bernie predates the toxic woke movement, as do I. Peace and love your work.
Context. Check out the real video for Falco "Mutter Koks etc." I think that production may have been changed. Context: industrialized Western Europe. He was a good man.....
If Bernie is a Marxist (or a socialist), I would have no problem with leaving a kid near a catholic priest. How he places racism as a substructure is really funny... Mode of production is considered as substructure and all other social relations (like racism) are its superstructure. The mental gymnastics needed to turn that on its head in order to present American woke-fad as marxist is just hilarious. Presenting Marx as some judeo-christian moral crusader, wanting to bring justice to this world, is plain wrong. He considered capitalism doomed to fail, an inevitability, due to its internal contradictions. This is a bad take on Marx, whether you hate him, or whatever. If you can even call this "he didn't like religion and status quo" - a take. Speaking about reductionism...
Just know Dabuo curshing everyone and so many people distroy and others death this person Bishop Sahib Holy spirit powers and abilities choose to be Jesus Christ King of King Saved in the name of Jesus Christ Amen Hallelujah.
Robert Barron is indeed full of wisdom and light, but not here. These remarks are filled with false equivalencies and prejudices against Marx commonly programmed into American society.
Great discussion and very superficial because of the time constraint. The problem today is not really driven by a pure Marxist thought. I see the problem of today as a failure of the superstructure to inspire the youth. The superstructure has become a monster that deprive the youth or for that matter anybody from the proletariat of any hope and even opportunity. This is thus a failure of the four pillars of democracy-capitalism, ie, democracy, ability to vote for a legislation, making laws, to protect the rights of all people; rule of law; capitalism, ownership of property. If anyone of these four pillars are failing, the system becomes corrupt. This is what we have, not only in America, but all over. This failure was made possible by the spineless retreat of the Church, not religion, and the demise of the USSR in 1989. This for some unknown reason set evil forces free in the USA to kill, destroy, feed their own greed, and recklessly trying to engineer a society that will admire evil, and judge everything based on its usefulness for the bourgeois. Especially the youth was left in this hopeless situation in which values are measured in terms dollars, and the future was recklessly gambled away in useless wars just because we can. Biden has started 4 new wars in 2 years at a cost of trillions that was supposed to educate the youth, guide them into an extremely complex and technologically advanced society. We, the older generations are directly responsible for this woke nonsense because we sold our value systems and our ability to distinguish between good and evil for a few dollars. Government played their part in creating the narratives needed to enhance cruelty and brutality to each other. And above all, the Church remained silent while all of this was happening.
We could love much the Rivers now and little insects as ants who's much worked and took coffee and Lemon and rude water and burnt little paper as an offered at our patriarchs on past and all capital people Will prosper as when i was at times of the Lord of the Miracles at My job and all the store stopped for give thanks to Godself for all with Flowersrug and presents and all workers honoring the paths with all Hearts as giving to Godself what's from Godself that's the helped for capital people with no cost
im a asian christian live in the uk. nowadays, pls look at 'gay right' legal mostly in europe in some asia buddist or african countries. but not communist country are legal. most non communist countries churches legally 'homesexual wedding ' in the west. im not total agree what U say. the asian communists countries not promote ''gay marriages' in churches. But the west mostly seems goes back to 'sodom and gomorra ' time. so yr speech bit confused. from what i knew most islam are ban gay marriage. in thailand had 'ladyboy' for.long time. 'gender and politic 'quite various in different religions and countries. But some countries had a lot of case of HIV and covid in the gay communities recently. So the church should not allow gay marriages and making moral decade in societies. Or even hell fire like 'sodom and gomorra ' destruction soon.
Thanks, good talk. For me, the problem is capitalism is little more ethical than 200 years ago. And capitalism is so entwined with the biggest and most successful Marxist state immaginable. And this capitalism has sold us the consumer dream that overshadows everything including our faith.
For Marx, Capitalism had a "progressive" (you could maybe say moral) quality when it smashed feudalism. In the revolutions that brought capitalism to the fore (France, England, US, etc), the capitalist, business-owning, employer class and the developing urban working class had a shared project to eliminate the kings, and bring about a system of markets, and semi-democratic institutions which allowed for smooth profit-making. Capitalism during this time rapidly advanced industrial production through division of labor and automation/machines. The system functioning in China is still thoroughly Capitalist. Chinese corporations trade on a global market, there is intense class division, and increasingly China engages in imperialist ambitions which for Marxists represent the "highest" (i.e. most developed and also most volatile) stage of capitalism.
From what Bernie Sanders says, he just wants a blended system like Canada. We have social systems in place here for health and assistance but we also have a well regulated capitalist economy. Hybrid. Us Canadians are mostly happy with it.
Amazing they cannot bring themselves to Socialized Health Care like we have. The US model is pure greed. Jesus would approve. Not 100% sure on Bishop Barron though; who I really like as well.
You don’t actually have a blended system, but if you want all the Americans who thought that Bernie Sanders had any good ideas, you need to open your doors to them, and do so right now.
The problem with saying "capitalism back then was bad but now we have regulations and now it's all okay" is the corporate elites have been sending those jobs overseas and lobbying since the 70s to roll back those protections.
Kant was very difficult to understand for other pholosophers back then. Today we have lots of great Kant scholars who help us understand it and not fall for these sophists
“Present moment” is a quantum state of consciousness, not just “thinking” about what you are doing. Consciousness is kept in the “thinking mode” forcibly, just like that, it is not possible to get out of the Matrix of the “internal dialogue” (Collective Unconsciousness) and for 98% forever in this life.
We can look back now at 19th-century capitalism and see what was wrong with it, just as we could look back at early 20th-century capitalism and see how horrific the treatment of the workers was and how much the capitalistic system needed to be improved upon. But the capitalists of the past also believed that the system was just fine, especially since they were the ones benefiting from it. Is it possible that we are in a state of capitalism that also needs a major overhaul and needs to change so that people 100 years from now would look back and be saddened at the treatment of workers today, wondering what kind of sick society would force workers to work without sick leave, paid time off, maternity and paternity leave and no healthcare?
@@Hankyjane Sure, that's why I want to improve on the capitalistic system to make it more fair and sustainable, not to replace it with some other government-centric economic system
So if Marx was living in a time of ‘undisciplined capitalism’ do we live in a better time for having capitalism ‘disciplined’? Or is that even the case. Maybe instead the nastiness of Capitalism has moved from sweatshops in London to sweatshops in East Asia. You’re presenting an incredibly sanitized version of capitalism here.
@@michaelmicek I don’t know. Were the people in London sweatshops better off than they were before? Seems like a convenient way to dismiss injustices and absolve capitalism of any of the blame.
I was just studying Edmund Burke this week in school. Such an interesting and overlooked thinker. The difference he saw between the American Revolution and the French Revolution was due to the relatively reasonable political goals of the first, despite the idealistic language of some founders, versus the ideologues who pursued the realization of their ideology at all costs.
@Prasanth Thomas I simply meant in the popular general literature concerning the movement. Of course the Anglo-American conservatives cover him thoroughly, but I meant popular history for the general public may not have exposed enough people to his ideas.
Bishop, just look at our global supply chains and modern day slavery - there is still plenty wrong with our capitalism even today. I know, I work on anti-trafficking for forced labor in global supply chains.
@@ErinAbou Well, it was the Western capitalist drive to go all over the world to seek profits - what better place to go then countries with no labor standards or rights.
@@elizabethkraszewski6603 it doesn't matter. There is no social utopia policy and the more we try to engineer paradise on earth the more paradoxically we will separate from it. We are only edified through Jesus teachings.
Human bondage and compulsion aren’t parts of capitalism. No socialist or communist system ever in existence didn’t rely on the same abuse of people and use of force to keep its will imposed on its own people who didn’t want it.
@@elizabethkraszewski6603 Satan owns the kingdoms of the world. Standing against evil is undoubtedly blessed, but we're talking about microrefinements of a political system which is unsustainable as its based on unlimited growth. We will be saved by Christ and not more elaborate and sophisticated forms of social, regulatory, or economic engineering.
Jesus, Peter and Paul said the Father is the God of Abraham and Israel, the one who spoke from heaven when Jesus got baptized, the one who glorified Jesus. And, the God of Abraham gave his name to Moses. Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Son and Servant, Jesus, John 8:54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, THE ONE WHO YOU SAY IS YOUR GOD. Hebrews 5:5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” Exodus 6:3 King James Bible And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by MY NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
I can remember sitting a history exam when I was 17 that asked a question to the effect that, “Marx has been as badly represented by Marxists as Christ has been represented by Christians. Discuss.” The problem with assessing Marx’s legacy has been the vast, contradictory body of opinion that has been generated by his writing - let alone the barbarisms that have been perpetrated by formally Marxist states. I think the seeds of Stalinism are to be found in Marx. However, I think one must not forget the extent to which Marx himself was a determinist - to a huge extent, he saw violent revolution as unavoidable and inevitable. He saw capitalists and proletarians alike in the grip of a system that he thought could not help but become more intolerably oppressive with each passing year. He was wrong - certainly as far as the most developed capitalist economies were concerned. A couple of things come from his Jewish inheritance (in spite of the appalling things he said about Judaism): firstly, his taste for dialectics was not just Hegelian, I suspect. Dialectics is a hugely important part of the Jewish tradition - as anybody who has witnessed the activity of a Yeshiva will confirm. Secondly, in his critique of Feuerbach, his comment about the futility of merely philosophical interpretations of the world is derived from a sense that you can’t know reality unless you try to change it - and merely theorising is therefore vacuous. I think that this has a shade of the Hebrew sense that to truly know is not a merely cerebral activity. I think that also underpins the Catholic sense that faith is not simply about what happens in your head: it is intimately tied into what you do.
What a profound reflection! Thank you for sharing it here. The root of the English word “Understand”, which I believe was derived from the German word “verstein”, to stand under something, echoes with your view here. This is very different from our contemporary conception of the word understand: to be able to internalise something into our existing/acquired system of knowledge, the exact opposite of its original configuration.
What Marx contributed in 95% of his work (Das Capital): 1. Conceptualized the dynamics of capitalism 2. Improved Smith, Ricardo's surplus-framework. 3. Theorized how the capitalist dynamics lead to instability in investment, fluctuations and crisis in markets, and inequality. 4. How these dynamics push the working class to unemployment, poverty and precarity. 5. How capitalist surplus-reproduction, competition, monopoly and price mechanism work. Bishop, I tell you Feuerbach was hardly mentioned in Das Capital. Marx was seriously reviewing and improving Smith, Ricardo, Sismondi and others. And you chose to focus on some of the polemics he wrote as an activist that too at an early stage in his life. Aren't the issues - unemployment, poverty and inequality - that he raised relevant? How are you able to disagree with Marx's diagnosis while you hardly discuss these issues that affect us today. Tell me one economist who theorized/diagnosed these issues better than Marx. (I'm an economics student by the way. Only Smith and Keynes come next to Marx). Marx is an economist of the highest level. To treat him like someone you can refute in a youtube video reflects your lack of knowledge. Your point about economic reductionism is a problem that many Marxists make. I agree. However, Marx himself had a nuanced point of view. He articulated that the material forces, material interests and material attitudes are powerful enough to influence the institutions and cultures in society. That is what historical materialism means. Given that capital is the dominant economic force it is powerful enough to influence the government, religious order and all orders of society. That is the idea behind base-superstructure. It is not reductionism to economic consciousness.
The early Christians were a poor lot, subversive, and politically against economic inequality. David Bentley Hart argues they lived in communes. Early Christianity is antithetical to a profit-led system (profit being the ultimate value). DBH's article 'Mammon Ascendant' is a good read on this. But Bishop says (in 24:30) that the profit-led capitalist economy is a morally praise-worthy system. Bishop the levels of inequality, climate change, and poverty in the third world all can be traced to neoliberal capitalism. After two hundred years you will see it won't be a praise-worthy system.
To treat any socialist project as equivalent to Soviet Russia is being totally ignorant of the various socialist traditions. There were/are Christian socialists in many parts of the world. There are a variety of socialisms. A mixed economy framework where State led major/essential sectors (for example Indian experience from 1950 to 1990) is a socialist project as well. And certainly democratic socialism is a variety of socialism. How convenient to ignore these imaginations. Why make Stalin and Mao the poster boys of Socialism. Why not Nehru who was a socialist as well?
@@ben-dr3wf Which is why Distributionism is a thing. If you think that Christianity can be in any way sympathetic to an ideology that is inherently anti-Christian, you need your head checked. Or perhaps an exorcism.
@@ghrohrs2020 Brother obviously you have no clue about economics. Don't worry about my time. I've written quite a bit on Keynes, Smith and Marx in my academic projects. This hardly takes my time
Where you have government you have some sort of “socialism”. It’s just that in the States you have “corporate welfare state” / “socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor” (Michael Harrington in his 1962 book, The Other America; Andrew; Martin Luther King, Jr., etc) and smoke-screens, not socialism “of the people, by the people, for the people” ...
In the Knights of Malta address, there was mention of a part 2 on the Church's response. Could you please release that (I don't think it has been released so far). If you can't release that video, could you please do episodes on it for the Word on Fire Show? Thank you.
Pray
Yeah, he called it a "magisterial response" if I remember correctly.
That original video was the main reason why I stopped being an atheist after 20-years; and I'm currently in the process of converting into Catholicism. I now pray daily (I am subscribed to the liturgy of the hours because I felt kind of lost on how to pray properly after avoiding it for so long) and I can testify that these liturgy of the hours has pretty much almost cured my anxiety and depression. The Hallow app has helped me a lot. I love to listen to Francis for my prayers--his voice is so soothing!
It is so amazing what God has done for me. I have been on psychiatric medication for years and was even hospitalized because I was extremely suicidal. I was finally removed off my antidepressant (under the watchful eyes of my therapist and psychiatrist, of course) and my symptoms have not returned! My psychiatrist and therapist are overjoyed and I don't need to see them so often anymore (I've been seeing my therapist weekly for over 7-years). And it's not just that... my mood has improved so much! I feel happier, lighter and just like an overall positive person. Which is very odd for me because I was the age old goth girl. I mean, I still have that chic gothic look, but I'm genuinely happy and cannot wait for my future. And now I started a nonprofit (with Catholic values, of course) to help other people that were in a similar situation as me. Never would I have done any of this. It's like as soon as my faith returned, things strangely started to fall into place. I tried to convince myself that I was being delusional (leftovers from my atheism), but everyone saw the change in me and my mother is now interested in catholicism.
Please do more of these videos. You just might save more people like me. We just need to hear reasonable answers to our questions that have remained unanswered for so long.
Congratulations! I too am a convert, not from atheism, but from the Baptist church. You have a wonderful journey ahead of you, filled with endless learning and discovery.
So incredibly happy for you! May all your efforts lead many others to the joy of Christ.
Wondering what the non-profit is called? Would like to share with someone I have in mind. Thanks!
As a former atheist who struggled with anxiety and depression I feel you. Once I found my faith life has been so much better. It is a constant work to unpack the teachings that you don’t realize was there in the first place but it’s worth the time. Praying for you on your journey.
Welcome home! Praying that you persevere because if you follow the beautiful spiritual life, the devil will strike you from all angles. Happy for you! God bless us all!
Great idea for a mini series, thank you. Thank you for the work you do, always very interesting and uplifting. 🙏🙏
Thank you word on Fire, and Bishop Barron!
While many philosophers would disagree with this characterization of Marx, the bishop has made an admirable, honest effort to engage the thinker (as opposed to a straw man). First time I have seen this from a religious man.
And first time I hear it from Bishop Barron. Dire conditions have rise to a Karl Marx and though his solution was erroneous he brought to the forefront the evils of capitalism at that time. All the laws passed protecting the workers are part of the inheritance of socialism.
Five minute in to this I must admit I felt antagonistic as I thought you were going to leave out too much context and balance and just deride Marx, while ignoring the massive contributions this man has made indirectly (ex. five day work week etc). However you did take all my concerns into consideration and provided a great summary. It was so important that you added the time and place and how horrible daily life must have been for factory workers in the 1800's. Especially how you added that Marx would have been against Communism in Russia due to its (at the time) less advanced and agrarian nature.
Great job. Peace and Love.
Now maybe you can speak to the evils of people like JP Morgan and early American Capitalists and all the dirty dealings they would engage in.
Christianity needs clear and highly intelligent speakers like you....keep up the good work.
It is interesting to note, and I learned this recently, that in the middle ages there was no work on the Sabbath, and, in addition, about 40 to 60 feast days during the year in which one was released from toil. That’s effectively a five day work week.
You fellas are amazing together.
Thank you. An excellent discussion. God Bless from Oz
Wonderful to listen to Bishop Barron
Needed to hear this definitely since Marxism is on the rise and I need to be able to speak intelligently about it, including with fellow Secular Franciscans and Catholics of every kind.
Mark Lindeblad , read the book “Marx and Satan” by Richard Wurmbrand!
You'd better read Marx yourself
Great work, very informative for society today. Also happy that you are going to these 4 important figures. God Bless you work.
I think Sanders appealed to young people because of how honest he was. If you look at his record he has mantained his politics consistent for decades which you can not say about 90 % of the democratic party. Young people today are accustomed to using the internet to see if claims are real and Sanders seems to really believe what he preaches.
it got him to be a very rich man with multiple houses. socialism pays off.
@@cincinnatione8643 He wrote a best-selling book that made him a lot of money. I don't see anything wrong with that. He's a really old guy and has been on politics for decades. I don't see how him making money somehow invalidates him. Please forgive me and let me know if that's not your point and I'm misunderstanding you.
@@Carlos-ln8fd because if he really believed what he was preaching he would only keep exactly what he'd need to live, and donate every other penny to the IRS to run his beloved socialized programs. He's a sell-out just like every other commie that gets into a seat of power.
@@cincinnatione8643 Apparently one cannot be successful and care about the working class at the same time...
Bernie Sanders is an atheist that honeymooned in the Soviet Union.
What would you say about an occultist who intentionally honeymooned in Nazi Germany so he could be spiritually closer to Adolph H?
Hopefully you would say nothing good.
Sanders is in the exact same category, except for his side butchered more people.
I wrote a comment here twice, very intellectual on Father Rapp being Mr. Communism not Carl Marx. I was taken down twice, so much for American Democratic Free Speech's first unwritten rule, "We the People, agree to disagree." While here, I am 70 years old, I knew Archbishop Sheen before his death, he tried to save me from a case of alcoholism and wanted me to become a Catholic Priest. God Almighty saved me from my alcoholism, and then guided me and my life to become our Nation's, Templar Sherlock Holmes, crimefighter.
a helpful summary in an age when marxism is being resold, sometimes in the context of racial tension.
It is an incomplete summary. And, with all summaries, I recommend you read Marx to come up with your own summary and judgment.
Muchas gracias
Does the same apply to Christianity?
Excellent idea, Brandon! Excited for this series…I recall the Malta talk
Even if Karl Marx has not existed, this type of political movement that some calle left others comunism or wokeism would also have existed as a response to capitalism
I like watching this channel for a deeper understanding of catholicism and christianity but this is a really garbage explanation of marxism ngl. Any explanation of marxism that doesn't talk about labor theory of value and exploitation of labor? These things are what he builds his entire philosophy on. Ur "agreements" with marx are far more like agreements with Bernie Sanders (who is not a marxist btw he's just a social democrat)
Barron is easy to follow like a kind , gentle conversation with an old friend .
Greatly appreciated Sir , that you for all your wisdom and guidance
I'm thinking of coming back to the faith because of the preaching and example set by Bishop Barron
Just do it mate.
Rob, it's even better being a Catholic the second time around. Believe me.
Isn't Bishop Barron just the best. Truly his intellect must be from the grace of God.
That's so true. That particular podcast was really enlightening. As a clinical psychologist with 40 years' work experience, Bishop's presentation made me rethink and reflect on my life and career, in the way I have been helping people as a life mentor. Indeed, a lot of my training has been anchored on unexamined premises on the above four influences. Thank you!
Have you listened to the one he did on psychiatry? I think the title was "Why Psychiatry Needs to Get Right with God"
Great discussion! Bishop Barron who is an intellectual giant reminds me of our beloved seminary professor of Philosophy - Fr. Ronan Callahan, CP who was well-loved by his students everywhere, whether in USA or Philippines.
He was for me a great scholar whose thoughts and writings are equal to or even surpass the philosophical writers of his time (he died at the age of 92 in 2015) having an encyclopedic mind. What puzzles me till now is that he remained to be humble and not known in the intellectual circles. Perhaps his students in St Michael's Seminary in USA can tell.
Thanks and God be forever blessed! Thank you, Bp Barron, you are one of a kind bishop in our world immersed in secularism and godlessness. Continue to shine brightly in your youtube programs.
Very good Bishop Robert Barron, very deep and thought provoking. Thank you from Australia.
Great service to mankind.. Thank you bishop Barron.
Catholic means universal!!
Jesus, Peter and Paul said the Father is the God of Abraham and Israel, the one who spoke from heaven when Jesus got baptized, the one who glorified Jesus. And, the God of Abraham gave his name to Moses.
Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Son and Servant, Jesus,
John 8:54
Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, THE ONE WHO YOU SAY IS YOUR GOD.
Hebrews 5:5
So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.”
Exodus 6:3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by MY NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Wait til they found out Jesus was the biggest communist to ever exist.
Bishop Barron, you are a true scholar. Thanks for bringing me to the intellectual side of my Catholic faith.
I so appreciate these topics your team is bringing forward. If only Bishop had been a teacher when I was in school I would have been enthralled. Keep them coming. I was always proud to be Catholic but Bishop has helped me to articulate why to others. God bless you all. Thank you Bishop Barron!
Bishop Robert Barron you add immensely to my spirirtual life. God add more to your years. I love you.
Moscow is big city. And it was century ago.. But Revolution happened in Petrograd. Three revolutions actually. One in 1905, and two in 1917. Two bourgeois revolutions, and finally October Socialist Revolution, that gave new opportunity to this world. To working class and all people of good will.
Marx could not predict Russian Revolution. And he was not oracle. That was not his intention. But he gave us the method. Historical and dialectical materialism. And it’s not sort of dogma (that religious people might think), it is sort of the tool that we can use to build brighter future.
Freemasonry imposed the French revolution and volshevich revolution! And civil war in Spain 1936!!!
I have continued to build my Catholic identity through the teachings of Word on Fire Ministries.
Build your identity on God’s Word instead!
@@susiboh1183 silence Protestant
@@susiboh1183 what do you think he’s doing? You should take your own advice.
@susibohthe Catholic Church is the foundation and pillar of truth!! 1183
THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM
To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries.
I . . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the Church, especially those principal truths which are directly opposed to the errors of this day. And first of all, I profess that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world (see Rom. 1:19), that is, from the visible works of creation, as a cause from its effects, and that, therefore, his existence can also be demonstrated: Secondly, I accept and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts and especially miracles and prophecies as the surest signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this time. Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by the real and historical Christ when he lived among us, and that the Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and his successors for the duration of time. Fourthly, I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously. I also condemn every error according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop indefinitely. Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source. By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our Creator and Lord.
Furthermore, with due reverence, I submit and adhere with my whole heart to the condemnations, declarations, and all the prescripts contained in the encyclical Pascendi and in the decree Lamentabili, especially those concerning what is known as the history of dogmas. I also reject the error of those who say that the faith held by the Church can contradict history, and that Catholic dogmas, in the sense in which they are now understood, are irreconcilable with a more realistic view of the origins of the Christian religion. I also condemn and reject the opinion of those who say that a well-educated Christian assumes a dual personality-that of a believer and at the same time of a historian, as if it were permissible for a historian to hold things that contradict the faith of the believer, or to establish premises which, provided there be no direct denial of dogmas, would lead to the conclusion that dogmas are either false or doubtful. Likewise, I reject that method of judging and interpreting Sacred Scripture which, departing from the tradition of the Church, the analogy of faith, and the norms of the Apostolic See, embraces the misrepresentations of the rationalists and with no prudence or restraint adopts textual criticism as the one and supreme norm. Furthermore, I reject the opinion of those who hold that a professor lecturing or writing on a historico-theological subject should first put aside any preconceived opinion about the supernatural origin of Catholic tradition or about the divine promise of help to preserve all revealed truth forever; and that they should then interpret the writings of each of the Fathers solely by scientific principles, excluding all sacred authority, and with the same liberty of judgment that is common in the investigation of all ordinary historical documents.
Finally, I declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition; or what is far worse, say that there is, but in a pantheistic sense, with the result that there would remain nothing but this plain simple fact-one to be put on a par with the ordinary facts of history-the fact, namely, that a group of men by their own labor, skill, and talent have continued through subsequent ages a school begun by Christ and his apostles. I firmly hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in the succession of the episcopacy from the apostles. The purpose of this is, then, not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems better and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different, may never be understood in any other way.
I promise that I shall keep all these articles faithfully, entirely, and sincerely, and guard them inviolate, in no way deviating from them in teaching or in any way in word or in writing. Thus I promise, this I swear, so help me God. . .
As a staunch Protestant, I find Mr Barron a very interesting and intelligent man. He is also correct that modern Marxists knew that their revolution could not succeed by class struggle but by identity politics. I may not share his particular view on God, but wish him nothing but peace and goodwill.
there is no marcism without class struggle. Identity politics is an enlightenment liberal concept not a Marxist concept.
Bishop barron is a man of God! He does not have a view of God! He has been anointed by the Holy Spirit and sent to serve the Lord wherever he is sent!!!that is christianity!! He did not self appoint himself, nor does he own any churches like in your cafeteria system of 100,000 sects!!!
The best English translation of much of Feuerbach is called the Fiery Brook by Zawar Hanfi; even better than George Eliot.
I have just come across this channel, and I will be listening to a lot more of it. Having said that, I am impressed by the Bishop. Yesterday, I was thinking that if I was to go back to church, it would be the Catholic Church. The Bishop here makes the Catholic Church more appealing.
Great video summary. The alt-right is also pretty anti-institutional as well. The alt-right and the woke crowd are just mirror images of each other. We need principled classic conservatives and classical liberals to regain the middle ground.
The problem is that extremism is promoted by social media. Both extremes amplify each other by constantly reacting against and fighting one another. Leaders like Trump and AOC stoke the flames and make it worse.
I clicked like with qualification. Classic conservative and classic liberal are pretty much synonymous. New Deal/Great Society liberal I would pretty much agree with but with a more mutualist/distributivist focus.
Classical liberals support same sex marriage, polygamy, and abortion in some shape or form so thats a hard pass for me
What exactly is the alt right? Republicans? Libertarians? Skinhead neo-nazis? To most, alt right is anything right of centre. Misleading at best. Be specific in these touchy times!
Yes. Balance is important. Conservatives and Progressives both have something to offer society and it would be chaotic if one of them just disappeared.
Minimum wage laws, assuming they are high enough to actually make a difference (most wages already prevailing in the market are higher) potentially harm the poor by eliminating jobs, stunting job creation, and harming current workers with reduced hours and benefits. Even the workers that are supposed to be helped complain about them for these reasons. They are also more expensive than they appear since they boost required Social Security contributions from both the employee and the employer. And yes, I am Catholic and teach economics. Catholic Social Justice teaching is fine in principle, provided it is informed by the Economic Way of Thinking. If you want more on this, go to the Acton Institute and Acton University.
... make no mistake, Im with you Father: the culture of individualism, of ‘no one tell me what to do’ ... is deplorable & delusional, of the 'self-made man/woman' ...
but on socialism / Marxism - as a practice, look at post-revolutionary Cuba. That is another approach - Pray for the sufferings of Cubans.
“United States elite was eager to snuff out the example of Cuba [for ~60 years now under full spectrum blockade], which showed that even a poor country could transcend the socioeconomic conditions of poverty. ... There is a streak of vindictiveness that runs through US policies against Cuba, an island that proved during the pandemic that its revolutionary process cares for its people. The example of public health care in Cuba, despite being a small island nation, should be exported around the world” (R Waters, V Prashad, Manolo De Los Santos).
Not a big fan of Karl Marx...is he related to Groucho?
9:14 Bernie Sanders is not a socialist he's a social democrat.
He is talking old-fashioned Cold War anti-communism.
What did Karl Marx say about Planned Obsolescence and the annual depreciation of automobiles?
It must not be important since economists do not talk about it today.
Thank you for covering this in more detail. I love your more in depth talks
Looking forward to Foucault's! Please get on the subject of biopolitics. Thank you.
Thank you Mr.Bishop for your explanation l am often confused with this philosophy of Marx unfortunately tought us in school in Hungary long time ago . God blesse you
Rita Biro, read the book “Marx and Satan” by Richard Wurmbrand.
@@susiboh1183 Not a book to read if you care about facts over exaggerations. I feel bad that the author suffered under a so called communist regime. But to then lay that all on the feet of Marx is a bridge too far. Eastern Europeans had suffered and continued to long before Marx entered the picture. Marx never believed that Eastern Europe was a sensible place to begin Communism as they were far too backward and having not advanced sufficiently enough.
It is akin to when people try to erroneously stated that Hitler was a Socialist because of the name of his party. He was anything but.
@@stevenjoseph8134 you are full of stupidity. I feel sorry for you!
I'm a huge fan of Bishop Barron, but just to keep things into perspective. Bishop Barron is clearly NOT an economist, nor does he have a degree in Politics. He should have made that clear from the outset. I think he's slightly out of his depth when discussing this particular subject.
His background is more in Theology and Philosophy, so I think he needs to tread very carefully when he starts discussing economic or Political theory.
He passes judgement on others who discuss Theology, who's background might be only scientific for example. So in the same way, he should be very careful when discussing or giving advice on economic or Political theory.
Therefore I don't think he's the best person to listen to on this particular subject.
For example, my brother is a Catholic economist and he strongly supports a lot of Karl Marx theories and it has nothing to do with being young, Woke or anything else. He's purely coming from an Academic, Political, economic and History background (specifically focusing on economic theory) based in the UK. He's 58 years old, so not a young person. Also he's not been shaped all his life by American Capitalist, anti socialist Propaganda. Something we need to keep in mind when listening to many American Catholic commentators.
You can see that Bishop Barron feels disdainful towards Marx and is at pain to give any credit whatsoever. You can hear it in his voice.
And in this case, I find this particular video shows a rather patronising and arrogant side of Bishop Barron unfortunately.
He doesn't have a degree like you, I imagine.
Your brother strongly supports many theories of Karl Marx? Where does he have any proof that they work? Cambodia? Cuba? Maoist China? Or Bulgaria?
As a lapsed catholic trying to get right and as an AnAarChi$t, I love this bishop!
Brilliant. Thanks for your wisdom, Bishop ❤
I enjoy the way Bishop Barron uses the word “obtain.” ✝️⚓️❤️
A smart and nuanced treatment of Marxism. It's important he made the point the Church is not in favour of unfettered capitalism either. Not all Catholics realise this sadly. However, Is Bernie Sanders really that "socialist"? I wonder.
Bernie is literally considered a regular Democrat in any other part of the world.
I completely agree with you on that last remark. To not nee how Bernie Sanders is the only uncorrupted, honest and humble gem in the US Senate, is (to me) just a fatal lack of discernment, or an accidental show of political cards. Bernie Sanders as the radicalization of the democratic party...? Wow. This shows me that the church, in the end, is too conservative a bulwark, and too afraid to be radical and courageous (the way Jesus was), to ever be on the right side of history.
@Prasanth Thomas I'm not criticizing capitalism as such. It has obvious benefits in terms of general wealth creation. The sad reality is that human nature can have a tendency to not be as generous as the word of God recommends. Trade unions and activism for better wages and conditions also had a hand in reducing poverty in the west. The Church teaches against extremes at either end of the capitalism/socialism scale in the name of justice.
@@marktynan1472 i agree. I think unions are a natural phenomenom in a healthy capitalist (I prefer to call it free market) system. You want workers? You better treat them well.
@Prasanth Thomas out of poverty for who? I reject the royal we.
After all it seems to me that you put those ideas inside out, they might be more workable. Instead of impeading or imposing ideas on the masses, let them foment and come from the inside... they'll be born naturally... if lack is not present or equally distributed so it feels less present under the skin... people tend to unite, to make it work.
I read somewhere that the Vatican is the wealthiest instituation of the world, I don't know how and if one can come to that conclusion, not aware of their criteria or methods either... just wanted to say that some extreme overwealth could possibly be united for the sake of humanity. Like a restart but better. No obligations, no coercion whatsoever... just give people the necessary space, time... so their best qualities, now suffocated by pressure and requierements/expectations, can arise again/recalibrate into their natural state. I do believe all humans are lovelable beings in se under neutral circumstances. So, that way it is only a question of time to aknowledge beautiful blossoming. Don't you think so? Not sure if you're reading the comments, that is a whole lot of work... Therefore I ponder my comment as a wish, for a world free from harm and full of collaboration. I dream of such a world. May this dream come true. For now, I wish all of you a wonderful day. Thanks again for this conversation, it could be the start of something huge. Sincerly yours.
Good day bishop God bless you. Thank you for your wisdom explaining catholic faith.
He doesn’t explain the Catholic faith, he pushes propaganda
@@Kristy-dd4wo What propaganda is it you think he’s pushing? You clearly haven’t listened to many of his talks if you honk he’s not teaching Catholic values. While talks like this don’t appear Catholic at first look, they absolutely are important to a knowledgeable Catholic population. He is actually teaching Catholics exactly what & why the atheist enemies of Jesus believe & what they are trying to accomplish. We can’t fight back effectively against all these secular atheists with prep school & Ivy League educations, & if we can’t fight back, we can’t win back our society for God.
My guess is you hate Bishop Barron because he doesn’t 100% agree with you on some issue & like the Leftists you want to destroy anyone who disagrees with you. There are plenty of online spaces for that kind of hateful stupidity that does nothing but burn down the world, but this channel is not that place. This is a channel of Christian love & learning & if we disagree, we disagree lovingly. We all would live for you to give those values a try & stick around, but if you only want to spread hate & chaos, this is not the place for you.
@@southbug27 oh no, I listen. He’s a leftist like Pelosi is a catholic. Learn the Catholic religion yourself instead of the garbage he pushes.
@@southbug27
I would argue your response to Kristy is more hateful than hers. Though I do not agree with her I appreciate that she took the time to watch.
You seek to attack the left, while possibly overlooking that both the left and right need each other.
Barron is clearly right wing and I find myself more left leaning. I would believe that Jesus would be more left than right wing in thought. Bishop Barron would think the opposite. Good chance the truth is somewhere in between. And most importantly I highly respect Mr. Barron as a human and as a thinker. Catholics have both a left and a right the same as politics and just maybe that is a necessary thing.
It was actually Tolstoy that reminded me of the two most important teachings in the Gospels.... 1. Turn the other cheek (so deeply mystical I love it). 2. To love thy neighbour.
I try my best (and fail a lot) to constantly remind myself of these two principles.
Don't forget that Jesus would not tell someone this is not the place for them.
The Lord Jesus Christ should not be limited to political attitudes that were created 2000 years after his resurrection. Be a Christian and let the secular labels fall away, they're useless.
Thank you Bishop. God bless you and your works!
Correction: Engel was not a rich man. He and Karl Marx lived on Engel’s farther’s money earned by his capitalistic business. Ironically, Marx hated capitalism and yet lived his whole life on its profits. Never lifted a finger very much like Bernie Sanders!
Marx didn't hate capitalism. He understood it.
@@denis_kutin it’s because of capitalism you are eating, dummy!
@@denis_kutin move to Venezuela, they understand Marxism! Good bye!
Big thanks His Grace!
Whatever I am in now, it would still be safe for me to entrust myself to His Holy Will. Alienation, etc.,the rough roads, whatever it is, all will find rest and satisfaction in Him... Yeah, if I'll be the captain of my journey, if I will listen my desires and thought for now, I will surely be lost...I would rather choose to suffer for a little while and allow Him to take the lead for I know He will not fail the little one who's real desires and joy is His... At least for now, it seems, it is clear what to set aside... I would probably keep my focus to continue... Thanks for the help!
Deo Gratias! 🙏💖🙏💖
Thank you bishop for sharing your sterling knowledge
Well Done 👍. Thank you for sharing. God Bless you all.
I think it's unfortunate to put communism and socialism/Marxism in the same box. I would like to see a Christian critique of both Socialism and Capitalism.
I'm a Catholic and find Bishop Barron's explications of philosophy and theology illuminating, and fair-minded (after all, doesn't the mission of Catholics living in the world involve engage, at some level or another, in a Logos understood through the ordinary-language sense of reason, which means sincere commitment to enquiry, rather than unreflective equivocation, straw-manning etc). The video on Foucault - a figure I respect for his skill in enquiry re the 'archaeology' of concepts, even if I have reservations about him both politically-theoretically, and, particularly when approaching him from a Catholic bodily-ethics perspective, re. his personal conduct - I thought crystallized this.
However, I think the characterization of Bernie Sanders, the 'political desires' of millennials in the wake of contemporary political conditions, and Marx are overly reductive, even in this short video. Bernie's program was/is essentially Social Democratic, a more moderate, US form of post-war Scandinavian social democracy. Nordic SD didn't cure society of all its ills, nor did it claim to - but was successful in terms of international measurements around human happiness ( the right to a home, the ability to raise a family, the ability to co-manage one's labour, the ability to exercise time) - as well as a structural and political emphasis upon sustainability and restraint rather than accelerated consumerism (as 'bad' forms of mimetic desire, after Girard, or forms of ressentiment, using Nietzsche in his proper place rather than to justify atheism), and egregious and spiritually toxic levels of wealth disparity. There was no repression of right to religion, there were no Gulags in Sweden or Denmark, and whilst there was certainly state investment and co-management, there were no Stalinist 5 year plans. Eliding any kind of critique of free-market capitalism with Stalinism is beneath the Bishop or any sincere Catholic. Bishop Barron is well versed enough in political theory not to make these kinds of misrepresentations, particularly since Marxist, left-communitarian, and Post-Liberal (Catholic social thought of the kind Bishop Barron professes) all have a grounding in the common, interwoven 'good life' of Aristotle which is quite contrary to the liberal premises around freedom and self-actualization which formed the chief basis for the actant critique of Bernie from the mainstream.
Furthermore to wonder why young people might be drawn to Bernie's program or to the socialist critique of western capitalism, in the wake of environmental crisis, rampant liberalism whose endpoint or telos is - quite literally - a faustian/satanic valorization of the self for 'gain' and destruction of the individual and social body-social, a politics grounded in variations of the Lie or at least what Kant called the private use of reason rather than the commonwealth, inaction, the inability to cultivate family life and so forth... is staggering. Even figures associated with the Right like Sohrab Ahmari - a Catholic convert and co-editor of Compact (a heterodox, post-liberal and broadly Social Democratic magazine of politics and ideas) have recognized and engaged with these phenomena, invited dialogue with leftists genuinely concerned with the 'social' rather than libertinism or sectarianism and with their critiques of 'tendencies', and promoted an alliance around policy which also affirms a space (or indeed tries to promote, if ecumenically) where purpose can be understood beyond the secular and religion has a role in public life. Again, quite distinct from indifferent modernism or Stalinist violence towards ideological competitors.
Personally, I don't identify as any kind of MLM - the ideal 'earthly kingdom' or exemplifying of the holy spirit as 'community' would be somewhere between More's Utopia as 'base' and standard Catholic distributionalism for 'second-order' goods. This would be a more radicalised (structurally-left) form of post-Liberalism. Nevertheless, there is a tradition of Catholic (heterodox)Marxism (McCabe) in the Church, and even those who have moved away from the Marxist aspect as an identifier, whether McIntyre or the Tradinistae movement - have no issue incorporating its insights in their conception of the social gospel. I know the Bishop is a post-liberal but there are post-liberal theologians (for instance John Milbank) who open (a) synthesise the critiques afforded by Marx around economic relations, ideology and crisis whilst critiquing the materialist-limitations of standard Marxism in grounding the 'eschaton' purely in matter, and (b)recognize the crisis.
Thank you pastor - I am hopeful for the Church on earth because of LORD's blessing on you and thus, us all.
Very valuable discussion. Thank you and God bless.
Thank you Bishop Baron from Peru.
"Fomenting violence" , meaning, to tear down the social, and economic structure already in place in order to replace it ( as quickly as possible) with the utopian social and economic structure imagined by those in power, regardless of the cost to human life, or to a social, economic, and physical infrastructure. Regardless of the cost and sufferings it would cause for the generations following this deconstructive violence.
It doesn't make sense. The means to the end does not make sense. Especially if the grievances put forth by Marx regarding Capitalism include the dehumanizing of the worker, and the economic divide it creates between people. How does
fomenting violence, and a class war which will inevitably lead to the destruction of human beings, their homes, and their livelihoods, justify the end which is the imagined utopia called Communist Socialism? It does not make sense.
Also, does it really make any sense, trying to make everyone the same economically or otherwise? Would we have medicine as it is today? What are the real catalysts for positive change in the world? I do not believe they can be found in pure utopian ideologies. The real catalysts for positive change in human life are found in human virtues such as compassion, humility, and love.
One word…defender of neoliberal values at the expense of your essence and freedom to create (not possess).
Thank you, Bishop Barron, for the best, most balanced, analysis of Marx I ever heard. Have felt guilty since my late conversion for my adherence to his ideas. You deftly separated an agreement with his diagnosis of criticism of unbridled capitalism with his proscription for armed revolt and societal dismantlement.
I like Bishop Barron, but Bernie Sanders isn’t “socialist” lol Sanders has only ever advocated for policies the citizens of pretty much every other developed country already enjoy 🤦🏽♂️ I’m sorry, but America needs to be dragged into the 21st century whether we like it or not if we want to still be relevant by the end of the century; in the same way FDR dragged and set America up for the prosperity and quality of life it enjoyed in the latter half of the 20th century
If you want big government Bernie is your man.
He describes himself as a democratic socialist. His words, not mine.
@@BishopBarron It would be a good idea than to extrapolate on what a 'Democratic Socialist" is. What their values are. Where does it differ from other forms etc.?
For instance most advanced nations have socialism style health care. Most of these nations would never want to give that up. They are proud of it (at least the overwhelming majority). In fact it is a far more efficient system to boot (10% GDP on avg vs. 18% USA on healthcare).
That is an example of Democratic Socialism. So one must ask, which would align more with the teachings of Jesus the current American style or the Socialism style Bernie proposes (and most advanced nations have (I do in Canada)? Don't forget Bernie predates the toxic woke movement, as do I.
Peace and love your work.
I hope marx is still sharp minded as he allways was and doesen't give a damn about anybody's disagreemant, 200 hundred years later.
Like me.
Context. Check out the real video for Falco "Mutter Koks etc." I think that production may have been changed. Context: industrialized Western Europe. He was a good man.....
If Bernie is a Marxist (or a socialist), I would have no problem with leaving a kid near a catholic priest.
How he places racism as a substructure is really funny... Mode of production is considered as substructure and all other social relations (like racism) are its superstructure. The mental gymnastics needed to turn that on its head in order to present American woke-fad as marxist is just hilarious.
Presenting Marx as some judeo-christian moral crusader, wanting to bring justice to this world, is plain wrong. He considered capitalism doomed to fail, an inevitability, due to its internal contradictions.
This is a bad take on Marx, whether you hate him, or whatever. If you can even call this "he didn't like religion and status quo" - a take. Speaking about reductionism...
Just know Dabuo curshing everyone and so many people distroy and others death this person Bishop Sahib Holy spirit powers and abilities choose to be Jesus Christ King of King Saved in the name of Jesus Christ Amen Hallelujah.
Robert Barron is indeed full of wisdom and light, but not here. These remarks are filled with false equivalencies and prejudices against Marx commonly programmed into American society.
Great discussion and very superficial because of the time constraint. The problem today is not really driven by a pure Marxist thought. I see the problem of today as a failure of the superstructure to inspire the youth. The superstructure has become a monster that deprive the youth or for that matter anybody from the proletariat of any hope and even opportunity. This is thus a failure of the four pillars of democracy-capitalism, ie, democracy, ability to vote for a legislation, making laws, to protect the rights of all people; rule of law; capitalism, ownership of property. If anyone of these four pillars are failing, the system becomes corrupt. This is what we have, not only in America, but all over. This failure was made possible by the spineless retreat of the Church, not religion, and the demise of the USSR in 1989. This for some unknown reason set evil forces free in the USA to kill, destroy, feed their own greed, and recklessly trying to engineer a society that will admire evil, and judge everything based on its usefulness for the bourgeois. Especially the youth was left in this hopeless situation in which values are measured in terms dollars, and the future was recklessly gambled away in useless wars just because we can. Biden has started 4 new wars in 2 years at a cost of trillions that was supposed to educate the youth, guide them into an extremely complex and technologically advanced society. We, the older generations are directly responsible for this woke nonsense because we sold our value systems and our ability to distinguish between good and evil for a few dollars. Government played their part in creating the narratives needed to enhance cruelty and brutality to each other. And above all, the Church remained silent while all of this was happening.
We could love much the Rivers now and little insects as ants who's much worked and took coffee and Lemon and rude water and burnt little paper as an offered at our patriarchs on past and all capital people Will prosper as when i was at times of the Lord of the Miracles at My job and all the store stopped for give thanks to Godself for all with Flowersrug and presents and all workers honoring the paths with all Hearts as giving to Godself what's from Godself that's the helped for capital people with no cost
im a asian christian live in the uk. nowadays, pls look at 'gay right' legal mostly in europe in some asia buddist or african countries. but not communist country are legal. most non communist countries churches legally 'homesexual wedding ' in the west. im not total agree what U say. the asian communists countries not promote ''gay marriages' in churches. But the west mostly seems goes back to 'sodom and gomorra ' time. so yr speech bit confused. from what i knew most islam are ban gay marriage. in thailand had 'ladyboy' for.long time. 'gender and politic 'quite various in different religions and countries. But some countries had a lot of case of HIV and covid in the gay communities recently. So the church should not allow gay marriages and making moral decade in societies. Or even hell fire like 'sodom and gomorra ' destruction soon.
Thanks, good talk. For me, the problem is capitalism is little more ethical than 200 years ago. And capitalism is so entwined with the biggest and most successful Marxist state immaginable. And this capitalism has sold us the consumer dream that overshadows everything including our faith.
For Marx, Capitalism had a "progressive" (you could maybe say moral) quality when it smashed feudalism. In the revolutions that brought capitalism to the fore (France, England, US, etc), the capitalist, business-owning, employer class and the developing urban working class had a shared project to eliminate the kings, and bring about a system of markets, and semi-democratic institutions which allowed for smooth profit-making. Capitalism during this time rapidly advanced industrial production through division of labor and automation/machines. The system functioning in China is still thoroughly Capitalist. Chinese corporations trade on a global market, there is intense class division, and increasingly China engages in imperialist ambitions which for Marxists represent the "highest" (i.e. most developed and also most volatile) stage of capitalism.
From what Bernie Sanders says, he just wants a blended system like Canada. We have social systems in place here for health and assistance but we also have a well regulated capitalist economy. Hybrid. Us Canadians are mostly happy with it.
Amazing they cannot bring themselves to Socialized Health Care like we have. The US model is pure greed. Jesus would approve. Not 100% sure on Bishop Barron though; who I really like as well.
True story.
You don’t actually have a blended system, but if you want all the Americans who thought that Bernie Sanders had any good ideas, you need to open your doors to them, and do so right now.
I prefer to word it as a socialist system that permits capitalism on occasion. And whatever the ruling party dislikes is punished or even forbidden.
The problem with saying "capitalism back then was bad but now we have regulations and now it's all okay" is the corporate elites have been sending those jobs overseas and lobbying since the 70s to roll back those protections.
Kant was very difficult to understand for other pholosophers back then. Today we have lots of great Kant scholars who help us understand it and not fall for these sophists
What’;s the difference between “Marxism” and “Communism”?I had a friend state that they are not the same thing.
but who monitors the government? look at recent 6 years time
“Present moment” is a quantum state of consciousness, not just “thinking” about what you are doing.
Consciousness is kept in the “thinking mode” forcibly, just like that, it is not possible to get out of the Matrix of the “internal dialogue” (Collective Unconsciousness) and for 98% forever in this life.
We can look back now at 19th-century capitalism and see what was wrong with it, just as we could look back at early 20th-century capitalism and see how horrific the treatment of the workers was and how much the capitalistic system needed to be improved upon. But the capitalists of the past also believed that the system was just fine, especially since they were the ones benefiting from it. Is it possible that we are in a state of capitalism that also needs a major overhaul and needs to change so that people 100 years from now would look back and be saddened at the treatment of workers today, wondering what kind of sick society would force workers to work without sick leave, paid time off, maternity and paternity leave and no healthcare?
@@Hankyjane Sure, that's why I want to improve on the capitalistic system to make it more fair and sustainable, not to replace it with some other government-centric economic system
Ok,
you've set the hook Bisop, now what?
Very interested to hear more.
I’m not a big fan of this format. I think the Bishop was more effective giving his fireside-chats he used to.
So if Marx was living in a time of ‘undisciplined capitalism’ do we live in a better time for having capitalism ‘disciplined’? Or is that even the case. Maybe instead the nastiness of Capitalism has moved from sweatshops in London to sweatshops in East Asia. You’re presenting an incredibly sanitized version of capitalism here.
@@ereinei I don’t think you understood what I wrote. Read it again.
Are people working in the sweatshops of East Asia worse off than they were before?
I don't mean that as an excuse not to improve their lot.
We literally empirically live in an Oligarchy aka nepotism aka State Capitalism. Our congress is thoroughly bought and sold. That should be plain.
@@michaelmicek I don’t know. Were the people in London sweatshops better off than they were before? Seems like a convenient way to dismiss injustices and absolve capitalism of any of the blame.
@@CheddarBayBabyaccording to Marx they were?
Rural life can be pretty bad.
Do you think capitalism is entirely to blame?
B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T Teaching! Thank you!
God bless you
I’d love to hear BB’s thoughts on Edmund Burke.
I was just studying Edmund Burke this week in school. Such an interesting and overlooked thinker. The difference he saw between the American Revolution and the French Revolution was due to the relatively reasonable political goals of the first, despite the idealistic language of some founders, versus the ideologues who pursued the realization of their ideology at all costs.
@Prasanth Thomas I simply meant in the popular general literature concerning the movement. Of course the Anglo-American conservatives cover him thoroughly, but I meant popular history for the general public may not have exposed enough people to his ideas.
Best part of the movie, “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”
Only our Hearts at God's service and LOVE
Bishop, just look at our global supply chains and modern day slavery - there is still plenty wrong with our capitalism even today. I know, I work on anti-trafficking for forced labor in global supply chains.
@@ErinAbou Well, it was the Western capitalist drive to go all over the world to seek profits - what better place to go then countries with no labor standards or rights.
@@ErinAbou I would say both, but great point. To bring down costs our Capitalists use these avenues and as such we are all complicit.
@@elizabethkraszewski6603 it doesn't matter. There is no social utopia policy and the more we try to engineer paradise on earth the more paradoxically we will separate from it. We are only edified through Jesus teachings.
Human bondage and compulsion aren’t parts of capitalism.
No socialist or communist system ever in existence didn’t rely on the same abuse of people and use of force to keep its will imposed on its own people who didn’t want it.
@@elizabethkraszewski6603 Satan owns the kingdoms of the world. Standing against evil is undoubtedly blessed, but we're talking about microrefinements of a political system which is unsustainable as its based on unlimited growth. We will be saved by Christ and not more elaborate and sophisticated forms of social, regulatory, or economic engineering.
Bishop Barron, Please interview Noelle Mering. In her "Awake Not Woke", she refers to Marxism more than 30 times and totally "gets it".
Is a book written by a woman that works for a literal Washington D.C. think tank the place to get unbiased information about Marx? No.
We are blessed to have Bishop Barron . He is gifted superb philosopher. I enjoy listening to all his podcasts and presentations.
Comparing Bernie Sanders with Communism is a stretch into absurdity.
He's literally a regular Democrat in most parts of the world.
Then why did Bernie Sanders honeymoon in the Soviet Union if he rejected communism?
Bernie Sanders is a liar!
Jesus, Peter and Paul said the Father is the God of Abraham and Israel, the one who spoke from heaven when Jesus got baptized, the one who glorified Jesus. And, the God of Abraham gave his name to Moses.
Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Son and Servant, Jesus,
John 8:54
Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, THE ONE WHO YOU SAY IS YOUR GOD.
Hebrews 5:5
So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.”
Exodus 6:3
King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by MY NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
I can remember sitting a history exam when I was 17 that asked a question to the effect that, “Marx has been as badly represented by Marxists as Christ has been represented by Christians. Discuss.” The problem with assessing Marx’s legacy has been the vast, contradictory body of opinion that has been generated by his writing - let alone the barbarisms that have been perpetrated by formally Marxist states. I think the seeds of Stalinism are to be found in Marx. However, I think one must not forget the extent to which Marx himself was a determinist - to a huge extent, he saw violent revolution as unavoidable and inevitable. He saw capitalists and proletarians alike in the grip of a system that he thought could not help but become more intolerably oppressive with each passing year. He was wrong - certainly as far as the most developed capitalist economies were concerned.
A couple of things come from his Jewish inheritance (in spite of the appalling things he said about Judaism): firstly, his taste for dialectics was not just Hegelian, I suspect. Dialectics is a hugely important part of the Jewish tradition - as anybody who has witnessed the activity of a Yeshiva will confirm. Secondly, in his critique of Feuerbach, his comment about the futility of merely philosophical interpretations of the world is derived from a sense that you can’t know reality unless you try to change it - and merely theorising is therefore vacuous. I think that this has a shade of the Hebrew sense that to truly know is not a merely cerebral activity. I think that also underpins the Catholic sense that faith is not simply about what happens in your head: it is intimately tied into what you do.
What a profound reflection! Thank you for sharing it here. The root of the English word “Understand”, which I believe was derived from the German word “verstein”, to stand under something, echoes with your view here. This is very different from our contemporary conception of the word understand: to be able to internalise something into our existing/acquired system of knowledge, the exact opposite of its original configuration.
Oh we still do the profit at all costs workplace at the expense of the health of the workers.
Present moment is money, power and virtual reality.
Thank you Bishop very relevant
What Marx contributed in 95% of his work (Das Capital):
1. Conceptualized the dynamics of capitalism
2. Improved Smith, Ricardo's surplus-framework.
3. Theorized how the capitalist dynamics lead to instability in investment, fluctuations and crisis in markets, and inequality.
4. How these dynamics push the working class to unemployment, poverty and precarity.
5. How capitalist surplus-reproduction, competition, monopoly and price mechanism work.
Bishop,
I tell you Feuerbach was hardly mentioned in Das Capital. Marx was seriously reviewing and improving Smith, Ricardo, Sismondi and others. And you chose to focus on some of the polemics he wrote as an activist that too at an early stage in his life.
Aren't the issues - unemployment, poverty and inequality - that he raised relevant? How are you able to disagree with Marx's diagnosis while you hardly discuss these issues that affect us today. Tell me one economist who theorized/diagnosed these issues better than Marx. (I'm an economics student by the way. Only Smith and Keynes come next to Marx). Marx is an economist of the highest level. To treat him like someone you can refute in a youtube video reflects your lack of knowledge.
Your point about economic reductionism is a problem that many Marxists make. I agree. However, Marx himself had a nuanced point of view. He articulated that the material forces, material interests and material attitudes are powerful enough to influence the institutions and cultures in society. That is what historical materialism means.
Given that capital is the dominant economic force it is powerful enough to influence the government, religious order and all orders of society. That is the idea behind base-superstructure. It is not reductionism to economic consciousness.
That's a lot of hot air wasted. You've obviously studied Marx extensively. How sad.
The early Christians were a poor lot, subversive, and politically against economic inequality. David Bentley Hart argues they lived in communes. Early Christianity is antithetical to a profit-led system (profit being the ultimate value). DBH's article 'Mammon Ascendant' is a good read on this.
But Bishop says (in 24:30) that the profit-led capitalist economy is a morally praise-worthy system. Bishop the levels of inequality, climate change, and poverty in the third world all can be traced to neoliberal capitalism. After two hundred years you will see it won't be a praise-worthy system.
To treat any socialist project as equivalent to Soviet Russia is being totally ignorant of the various socialist traditions. There were/are Christian socialists in many parts of the world.
There are a variety of socialisms. A mixed economy framework where State led major/essential sectors (for example Indian experience from 1950 to 1990) is a socialist project as well. And certainly democratic socialism is a variety of socialism. How convenient to ignore these imaginations. Why make Stalin and Mao the poster boys of Socialism. Why not Nehru who was a socialist as well?
@@ben-dr3wf Which is why Distributionism is a thing. If you think that Christianity can be in any way sympathetic to an ideology that is inherently anti-Christian, you need your head checked. Or perhaps an exorcism.
@@ghrohrs2020 Brother obviously you have no clue about economics. Don't worry about my time. I've written quite a bit on Keynes, Smith and Marx in my academic projects. This hardly takes my time
Where you have government you have some sort of “socialism”.
It’s just that in the States you have “corporate welfare state” / “socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor” (Michael Harrington in his 1962 book, The Other America; Andrew; Martin Luther King, Jr., etc) and smoke-screens, not socialism “of the people, by the people, for the people” ...