@@sub7up. Maybe if Misha Charoudin is driving it but don't think you'll be getting 40% out of the battery in one lap. Also from what I saw they've been doing pretty well around the ring.
If one of you guys could create chapters I’ll add them to the video! I’ll get to them by the end of the day but if you beat me that would be helpful as always. 🎉
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche taycan turbo s weighs 2280 kg din which is 15 kg weight reduction and considering that much more power and range and battery size is amazing but if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving from the battery pack and they can reduce the weight of e drive units with another 80 kg from drive train,if they do this taycan turbo s will weigh 1800 kg din and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
I would say the first gen Taycan was just okay. Sure it did some things really well, but the range was kind of low, especially at the price point, the supported EV charging infrastructure wasn't and still isn't that great, it looked kind of ugly, it was very expensive, and had terrible depreciation (35% to 40% 5 year residuals, even worse with the 'Turbo' models). For this model, range has been significantly improved, it should support NACS, it looks better, it is still expensive, and depreciation is TBD at this point. It may be good enough overall to be considered a good, but still not great car overall. To contrast, cars like the 992 911 or BMW X5 45e PHEV are truly great cars
@@blob2092how do you define the statement "Far behind Tesla" ? 😊 Teslas claim mileage numbers that they can't deliver. The only advantage I see with Tesla compared to any other EV is, price and self drive features. Both have nothing to do with the car as an EV.
@@PeteNallymm.. don’t forget actual OTA updates. You can’t understate the benefit of improving the vehicle endlessly and fixing little issues like ‘recalls’, with nothing but an overnight download. Do not kid yourself that Taycans haven’t been under multiple recalls that required service center visits, that Tesla would have fixed with an OTA update. It’s kind of a big deal imo. I’m NEVER going back to a car that can’t OTA update every aspect of the car, besides actual hardware changes. And there’s no reason Porsche can’t do this, except they lack the know how and integration in their systems. Pretty big negative in my book. But yeah, Taycan has quite a few pluses too. Not enough for me. CCS infrastructure.. cost and lack of bleeding edge tech, can’t be overcome by the ride, to me. I don’t need a track car. I want the smartest, bleeding edge tech vehicle I can get my hands on. Yeah, there’s other considerations too.. but for my use and needs, still only 1 option I see to date with the tech, speed and usability I want.
@@airheart1 every EV including Nissan Leaf does OTA updates!!! I hope you realize OTA updates are just software. Anything to do with the car, no OTA is going to fix it. 😀 I clearly said this... every EV has picked up what Tesla has. The only area Tesla has domination is FSD and Price. They can do that price maneuvers because they have their shoddy build quality. No magic happens without compromises boys!!! I hope you read that statement by Musk that BYD and other Chinese EVs can eat up EV market of many companies like Tesla!!! By the way, tesla is manufactured in China too 😂
They have already. The New Chief of CARIAD, the Software Company within VAG, is now lead by the former Director from Google who developed Android Automotive and was the Software Lead at Rivian, too.
That's a ~20% power density increase in the battery (going from 83 to 97 kwh while losing a couple percent of the weight too). Amazing progress! 100 kwh should definitely be the new standard with the density increases. I'd say 120 kwh at this weight and efficiency is where you start getting similar range to a gas car on 80 mph highway drives (350+ miles) and get a reliable 12 minute charge (assuming 5-55%) and 2:15-2:30 hr drive cycle which would be ideal. Currently my 2022 model 3 LR gives me a 12-14 minute charge and 1:30-1:45 hour highway drive cycle which is not bad, but can definitely be improved.
Think the fact this doesn't heavily drop off in charge speed past 50% like Teslas (at least the non-standard-range models, the ones with LFP batteries charge fast all the way) do will matter a lot as well. If Teslas could do 18-20 minutes to 80% like a lot of modern electric cars do then that 1:45 would be closer to 2:30-2:45. Instead they charge super rapidly to 50-60% and then 80% takes 25-30 minutes in total. Of course if you drive below 80 mph then 3-4 hours is easy.
The Taycan just obliberates the competition. The CT is just epic and my dream car in this colour green +trim all blacked out. The suspension is the best in the world I can tell you and everything else is just awesome!!!
@@TheMadmax0609 EVERY higher end Porsche costs 100-250k and this just falls right in that price range. The competition is also in this price range. For Porsche customers the price is nothing to frown about.
@@BBingo-v5i this car has loses over 50% of its value in just 3 years... The software is buggy and Porsche is not good with updates. Also, Taycan sales have dropped over 40% YOY. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's good.. 👈 now you know
@@BBingo-v5i want to know something else that's going to open your eyes? In the last decade Porsche has only increased the 911 Turbo S horsepower by 110. Yet the price has increased from $160k to over $230k. 🤣 Porsche owners are the biggest idiots in the world.. they buy a new Porsche, then park it in their garage to keep the miles off of it. They shell out money every month for insurance and then every 6 months they take their Porsches back to the dealership to have the oil changed and serviced for $2000. People are storing Porsches in their garages to keep the values up.. which enables Porsche to increase the MSRP of the same damn car every year without really upgrading it. 🤣🤣👏👏👏 Imagine buying something, making insurance payments, and not using it.. brilliant idea. 👍
I would love Kyle to do a teach in series on EVs and technicals on low and high voltage, charging, suspension, chillers, motors and battery packs. I have an entry level understanding and what to learn more but it’s all quite technical
I am good with the charging speed of this vehicle. I honestly wouldn’t ever need faster charging than this. I can’t go to the bathroom and get a soda faster than this will charge. That is good enough for me.
@@ianpalin8318 Actually, (1) you won't struggle to find a working charger and (2) Porsche and most manufacturers will be using Tesla chargers by the end of this year through next year. Telsa is not king😂
@@obieWanmotivation bro for 200k you get less hp than an 80k plaid; if you're rich then yes go ahead and buy this but for 99% it's a terrible value; just buy a gas Porsche instead or Model S Plaid
@@akhilsharma2712 less hp, but a lot more car regardless. The 17 second difference between this one and the Plaid on *illegal* tires speaks a whole bible about how those drive.
On winding dry roads, the CarManiac team in Germany like the Taycan's active ride, said it was more comfortble than having you head be slung out in corners. Less movement in the seat. Perhaps they dialed it in. The extreme execution may actually be safer/faster?
I visited the Porsche Factory in Leipzig just yesterday, where they build the Panamera, Macan and Macan Electric. There were a few Oak Green Panameras there and they just stood out from allo the other ones. The color is so great for a Porsche.
Extremely unlikely - the new vehicle has a different chipset and OS entirely. The old Taycan may get updates still but it will not be the same system as this new one
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche taycan turbo s weighs 2280 kg din which is 15 kg weight reduction and considering that more power and range and battery size is amazing but if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving from the battery pack and they can reduce the weight of e drive units with another 80 kg from drive train,if they do;this taycan turbo s will weigh 1800 kg din and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
@@davidfujkk8018 Volkswagen Audi Group is planning something "big" in battery space, in few years, but until then, i think these speeds are absolutely nonissue. one coffee for 50% of range / 50 kWh .... PLENTY
Great video. My 2020 4 S is at the dealer awaiting a battery repair. Once scheduled the repair is to take place at a Porsche battery repair facility in Oklahoma. What is your feeling about the future of my original performance plus battery? Am I likely to lose additional battery modules in the future?
Wish it was something I could afford, pretty amazing car. I would want to be able to use the SC network though and I don't think most locations will be V4 for a long time. Unless non-telsa charging networks get just as good or better.
Saw this in the Macan configurator. I really like the light up Porsche nameplate in the tail lights, pretty sure it’s new. Car looks a bit more “taught” kinda like the Highland refresh.
A lighter battery despite the much greater capacity, that's a relief! Tesla has been upshowing them with how light the Plaid is. Now 4-5 kWh more in the Taycan, is very welcome. Suspension and chassis integration seem to help them a good bit.
Personal preferences are just that, styling issues can't be criticized, performance is a whole other topic. On the styling topic, the green would never be my choice neither would the cybertruck but I did spend $350 on the VW ID4 lit rear badge 😊
Hey Kyle love the review a friend of mine his daughter just got the Taycan electric loves it..has anyone ever told you your a dopelganger for the actor in the Iron Eagle part one movie. Referring to the actor with the glasses and same hair color and same voice which is weird but funny. Love the review spot on.
@@therealbettyswollocks I can't get over the looks of the Model S though, I think it is ugly. This new Taycan looks pretty good. At least the Model S has decent depreciation though (~55% 5 year residual value), unlike the Taycan which is terrible (~38% 5 year residual vale)
Do not know this, but it charges with about 3C, which is same like other 800v Systems, too...100kwh Battery and 300kw means 3C. Kia charges at 230kw and has a 77kwh Batterie...3C, too. Means this is nothing especially high, but the charging curve is the most interesting, which is kept very long, very high.
@@Cyrribrae it was explained that they moved from NMC 622 to NMC 811. The numbers are ten percent of the makeup, so more nickel and less manganese and cobalt.
Don't forget about the outrageous base price even before pricey Porsche options are selected. I'll wait a few years when these become available at CarMax.
The Neo Oak Green is not nearly as exciting as it would have been if they had offered the genuine OG PTS Oak Green. The Neo Oak Green is a bit brighter and not as rich as the old school PTS Oak Green.
Great car. I know more than 300 kW charging sounds great. But if we look at on C rating basis, it is quite similar to other 800V cars from Hyundai/Kia. Approx 3C. 😊.
Yes, that is true. E-GMP by Hyundai/KIA has 3.0-3.1C (77.5kWh battery and 235-240kW charging power) and the Porsche Taycan has 3.1-3.2C (105kWh battery and 325-335kW max charging power) Which is why I would not stress about longevity. It has super fast charging speeds but it is also pretty save at the same time. The Taycan is such an awesome EV.
@@GraysonCarr which are??? To be clear I am talking about good engineered cars. The E-GMP cars will like the new taycan do 10-80% in about 18 minutes. Even the the model y with byd blade batteries are pulling 3C for very long and will do 10-80 in approx 20 min.
It’s awesome what Porsche is doing, but it sucks that the only “real” Tesla competition is coming from a manufacturer/car that isn’t attainable for the majority of people.
@@jeffsteyn7174not directly...this is J1 used in Etron G, too. Even the electric Macan uses PPE which supports HUD for example...not available in J1. PPE will be used in Q6 and A6 Etron...in Future there is a common shared 800v Platform called SSP for entire VAG.
You don't think Kia and Hyundai are real tesla competition? Think all these brands that are doing well in EV design are currently focusing on slightly different things, and that is a good thing IMO
@@Cyrribrae I guess I wasn’t really thinking about those. But I’m talking more about the charging curve, battery range, etc of the Porsche, it just feels so far ahead of anything else, even Tesla. Tesla has the network to back it up though.
Not the car. The warranty on the battery. Tesla is 120K miles or 7 years. If you are going to charge @ 300kw that will take a toll on the battery. @@peteravolio2695
Can you please do a video on why so many non-Tesla DC Fast chargers are offline? It seems there are no moving parts. Why do Electrify America and EVgo have so many EVSE offline? What is the technical challenge?
This platform would be so lovely for a REAL stationwagon. Like a Jaguar XF, BMW i5 (bummer that one), E-Class (EQE seems decidedly meh, by intention), even Audi A6. The Audi RS6 if made BEV might as well be on the PA platform rather than rumoured PPE shared with Macan?
I am worried about battery longevity though. This battery went from 20 Celsius to 49 Celsius in four minutes. Are there limitations to how often one can fast charge like this?
I appreciate Porsche’s doubling down on power transfer efficiencies of 800V architecture. Hopefully the North America charging infrastructure will accommodate more robustly these 800V platforms and what they’ve proven to be a better way not that it had to be proven. We’ve always known reducing charging losses are exponentially improved at these higher voltages. It’s fantastic that Porsche is optimizing chemistry and cooling to maximize this potential. 💯#phenomenalchargingtech 1:00:21
That bit at @8.40 is completely wrong, eh? The original Turbo S is 761 in launch control and 570 normally, so the new model's basic isn't more than the old models launch control overboost as stayed is it?
also there is a german car guy used to be on tv does youtube now and has its own tuning shop anyway he used to work for porsche is very higly connected to the top of porsche, drives concept cars that nobody has ever been in, not even people from porsche. im talking about JP performance, in one video of the last year one of the porsche officals said that electric vehicles are no where near to the peak of technology. they are working on a hugh battery with ~200kwh but lighter then current 80kwh which will charge in 10 min from 0 to full and has a range of several 1000 km... thats a statement, and made me think that my model y performance right now is basicaly just a toy. the future of e mobility will be mindblowing.
@@mdebart8678 Why is 12V a fail, if Tesla has 12V and 48V next to HV? Seems like the 400V vs 800V all over again. 400V cars can work fine with fast charging, unless batteries outgrow it.
Charging curve, Wow! What have they figured about about the battery to keep it from degrading prematurely? I would guess maybe they haven't. But for someone like me, not a big deal. I don't do fast charging very often, and would use it sparingly, but very nice to have on a road trip. I'm not so sure about someone who fast charges all the time.
Even tho the charging speed is mad crazy the C charge rate isn't. 105kWh total battery capacity and a 335kW max charging power is 3.2C. That is similar to the E-GMP platform of Hyundai/KIA. So the stress on the battery isn't mad crazy. Besides that Porsche has put a great amount of development into temperature management. The cooling and heating capabilities are massive in this car, it was developed with track days in mind. You get max charging power already at 15.5°C or 60°F battery temperature, which isn't very high im comparison to the competition which normally needs 25°C or 77°F and more. This gives you more thermal headroom for quick charging without overheating the battery. Porsche has the best temperature management and performance buffers. So Porsche figured out the two most crucial aspects to battery life, battery stress and battery temperature management. Of course the user still needs to follow good practices like not letting your EV sit at a super high or super low SoC but there will be no additional degradation of the batteries due to these high charging speeds. Porsche knows what they are doing.
@@BBingo-v5i It's not about the charging power, but the charging curve, which on the Porsche stays really high even as the battery fills. I clearly said I didn't know if they've discovered something while charging at high power deep into the battery, but that I doubted they had discovered something every one else hasn't. I never claimed to speak from any expertise on the Porsche battery or it's BMS.
@@777Outrigger No just looking at the charging curve alone is meaningless in terms of battery stress, at least if we are talking about 5-75% SoC range (the Taycan chooses 65% as the first threshold to slow down a bit and again at 80% to slow down further). Only above 75% a flat charging curve at high levels become a problem which is why charging speeds fall drastically from there on. The charging curve within the mentioned range of SoC is mostly just thermal stress related and I explained how Porsche improved on this. If you have a 200kWh battery (like the Hummer EV for instance) and you charge it with 400kW it is only a 2C charge rate. The 400kW could easily be hold steady until 75%. Not much stress on the battery here. 400kW is much higher than the 330kW from the Taycan but it would not mean that the charging session would be quicker overall or that the stress on the battery is higher. 2C means it takes 30min to fill up the battery. Thermals (charging curve) and C charge rate are of course based on the technical specifications of the battery chemistry to begin with, but the 3.2C of the Taycan isn't anything crazy and the NMC chemistry used is also nothing special. Due to the good battery temperature management the charging curve of the Taycan can stay flat at a somewhat high charge rate of 3C. The combination of these factors is what counts. To put that into perspective: The E-GMP Plattform from Hyundai/KIA could achieve similar charging results to the Taycan if they would improve on thermals as they have to slow down way earlier than the 65% SoC of the Taycan due to overheating. Check out the video of Björn Nyland about the charging speed. 10-80% is under 19min in E-GMP cars, not far off from the 16min of the Taycan.
@@BBingo-v5i Color me skeptical. I think it's an act of faith on your part that somehow Porsche is doing this in a way that won't lead to higher battery degradation. Everyone's talking faster charging speeds, and if it was this easy, everyone would be doing it. And I don't think it's all about heat. That maybe the biggest part of it, but overloading the battery cells is part of the equation too. And that becomes more likely at higher states of charge. And how many EVs have a 200 kWh battery pack? Not the norm for sure.
Just played a little with Porsche configurator. $247K !!!! For people who didn't get it - two (2) hundred forty seven thousand dollars! I said what I said. Thanks.
Amazing what Porsche did with this car. Also I didn't noticed Kyle mentioning this in the video but regen went up form 290 to 400kW. Crazy numbers
Does this equate to a stronger 1PD feel?
@@swimshadey I don't think so. In Taycan regen is implemented when you press the brake pedal. When off throttle car is mostly coasting.
That should mean this can probably out-range a lot of similar-horsepower ICE cars on the Nurburgring now with regen on.
@@swecreations Not at all, will stil consume 40% battery and regen heats the battery.. sadly it's stil one lap wonders at the ring if pushing it..
@@sub7up. Maybe if Misha Charoudin is driving it but don't think you'll be getting 40% out of the battery in one lap. Also from what I saw they've been doing pretty well around the ring.
If one of you guys could create chapters I’ll add them to the video! I’ll get to them by the end of the day but if you beat me that would be helpful as always. 🎉
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche taycan turbo s weighs 2280 kg din which is 15 kg weight reduction and considering that much more power and range and battery size is amazing but if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving from the battery pack and they can reduce the weight of e drive units with another 80 kg from drive train,if they do this taycan turbo s will weigh 1800 kg din and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
They did to focus on charging infrastructure
@@jackhammer078jack4which is the correct choice for now
E-Porsches starting to grow on me with all these vids Kyle!
such a great car. German engineering !!!
By far the best looking electric car on the market.
By far the best car on the market
Nice refresh! Why reinvent the wheel? Update it with more power, endurance, and sportiness. Keeping it real since the Porsche 356.
Cool colab with Porsche. Nice seeing Porsche pushing the envelope on EV just like ICE.
Crazy quality tech and engineering which really pushes the industry forward
Porsches always have been amazing. Its impressive how they nailed it with their first EVs without prior experiences
still far behind tesla, but still not bad. Too bad ferdinand porsche aint no Elon Musk
I would say the first gen Taycan was just okay. Sure it did some things really well, but the range was kind of low, especially at the price point, the supported EV charging infrastructure wasn't and still isn't that great, it looked kind of ugly, it was very expensive, and had terrible depreciation (35% to 40% 5 year residuals, even worse with the 'Turbo' models). For this model, range has been significantly improved, it should support NACS, it looks better, it is still expensive, and depreciation is TBD at this point. It may be good enough overall to be considered a good, but still not great car overall. To contrast, cars like the 992 911 or BMW X5 45e PHEV are truly great cars
@@blob2092how do you define the statement "Far behind Tesla" ? 😊
Teslas claim mileage numbers that they can't deliver. The only advantage I see with Tesla compared to any other EV is, price and self drive features. Both have nothing to do with the car as an EV.
@@PeteNallymm.. don’t forget actual OTA updates. You can’t understate the benefit of improving the vehicle endlessly and fixing little issues like ‘recalls’, with nothing but an overnight download. Do not kid yourself that Taycans haven’t been under multiple recalls that required service center visits, that Tesla would have fixed with an OTA update. It’s kind of a big deal imo. I’m NEVER going back to a car that can’t OTA update every aspect of the car, besides actual hardware changes. And there’s no reason Porsche can’t do this, except they lack the know how and integration in their systems. Pretty big negative in my book. But yeah, Taycan has quite a few pluses too. Not enough for me. CCS infrastructure.. cost and lack of bleeding edge tech, can’t be overcome by the ride, to me. I don’t need a track car. I want the smartest, bleeding edge tech vehicle I can get my hands on. Yeah, there’s other considerations too.. but for my use and needs, still only 1 option I see to date with the tech, speed and usability I want.
@@airheart1 every EV including Nissan Leaf does OTA updates!!! I hope you realize OTA updates are just software. Anything to do with the car, no OTA is going to fix it. 😀
I clearly said this... every EV has picked up what Tesla has. The only area Tesla has domination is FSD and Price. They can do that price maneuvers because they have their shoddy build quality. No magic happens without compromises boys!!!
I hope you read that statement by Musk that BYD and other Chinese EVs can eat up EV market of many companies like Tesla!!! By the way, tesla is manufactured in China too 😂
I can say you get what you pay for, truly a performance drivers car with top level tech, great Porsche, always improving your design!
Porsche definitely needs to understand the crucial role of great team of software engineers for building great cars in this new era.
They have already. The New Chief of CARIAD, the Software Company within VAG, is now lead by the former Director from Google who developed Android Automotive and was the Software Lead at Rivian, too.
That's a ~20% power density increase in the battery (going from 83 to 97 kwh while losing a couple percent of the weight too). Amazing progress! 100 kwh should definitely be the new standard with the density increases. I'd say 120 kwh at this weight and efficiency is where you start getting similar range to a gas car on 80 mph highway drives (350+ miles) and get a reliable 12 minute charge (assuming 5-55%) and 2:15-2:30 hr drive cycle which would be ideal. Currently my 2022 model 3 LR gives me a 12-14 minute charge and 1:30-1:45 hour highway drive cycle which is not bad, but can definitely be improved.
Think the fact this doesn't heavily drop off in charge speed past 50% like Teslas (at least the non-standard-range models, the ones with LFP batteries charge fast all the way) do will matter a lot as well. If Teslas could do 18-20 minutes to 80% like a lot of modern electric cars do then that 1:45 would be closer to 2:30-2:45. Instead they charge super rapidly to 50-60% and then 80% takes 25-30 minutes in total.
Of course if you drive below 80 mph then 3-4 hours is easy.
porsche really is perfect man.. you can literally pick any model and it will be amazing. loving the new taycan. time to save up!
The Taycan just obliberates the competition. The CT is just epic and my dream car in this colour green +trim all blacked out. The suspension is the best in the world I can tell you and everything else is just awesome!!!
the competition for 250k is pretty slim though
Almost no one will buy this car. It's $250k and there are better options for about 1/3rd the price.
@@TheMadmax0609 EVERY higher end Porsche costs 100-250k and this just falls right in that price range. The competition is also in this price range. For Porsche customers the price is nothing to frown about.
@@BBingo-v5i this car has loses over 50% of its value in just 3 years... The software is buggy and Porsche is not good with updates. Also, Taycan sales have dropped over 40% YOY.
Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's good.. 👈 now you know
@@BBingo-v5i want to know something else that's going to open your eyes? In the last decade Porsche has only increased the 911 Turbo S horsepower by 110. Yet the price has increased from $160k to over $230k. 🤣
Porsche owners are the biggest idiots in the world.. they buy a new Porsche, then park it in their garage to keep the miles off of it. They shell out money every month for insurance and then every 6 months they take their Porsches back to the dealership to have the oil changed and serviced for $2000.
People are storing Porsches in their garages to keep the values up.. which enables Porsche to increase the MSRP of the same damn car every year without really upgrading it. 🤣🤣👏👏👏
Imagine buying something, making insurance payments, and not using it.. brilliant idea. 👍
Wow. That was amazing. What an improvement! Well done by Porsche.
382 mi in internal testing...estimating the EPA range?
WLTP 423 mi confirmed, it seems.
I would love Kyle to do a teach in series on EVs and technicals on low and high voltage, charging, suspension, chillers, motors and battery packs. I have an entry level understanding and what to learn more but it’s all quite technical
I am good with the charging speed of this vehicle. I honestly wouldn’t ever need faster charging than this. I can’t go to the bathroom and get a soda faster than this will charge. That is good enough for me.
Because you will struggle to find a working charger, Tesla is king!
@@ianpalin8318 Actually, (1) you won't struggle to find a working charger and (2) Porsche and most manufacturers will be using Tesla chargers by the end of this year through next year. Telsa is not king😂
I agree, soo glad that this fantastic car exists!!
@@obieWanmotivation bro for 200k you get less hp than an 80k plaid; if you're rich then yes go ahead and buy this but for 99% it's a terrible value; just buy a gas Porsche instead or Model S Plaid
@@akhilsharma2712 less hp, but a lot more car regardless. The 17 second difference between this one and the Plaid on *illegal* tires speaks a whole bible about how those drive.
Porsche have made a big jump with this. Will be great in the Race to Vegas & 10% Denver challenges.
On winding dry roads, the CarManiac team in Germany like the Taycan's active ride, said it was more comfortble than having you head be slung out in corners. Less movement in the seat. Perhaps they dialed it in. The extreme execution may actually be safer/faster?
please buy one kyle
I visited the Porsche Factory in Leipzig just yesterday, where they build the Panamera, Macan and Macan Electric. There were a few Oak Green Panameras there and they just stood out from allo the other ones. The color is so great for a Porsche.
I -love- the light-up badges on the id.4, and on this update !
You should let me put that Land Rover LEGO together and I'll Mail it back lol.
@KyleConner Do you know if the "old" Taycan will get its software updated to the new UI and functionality?
Extremely unlikely - the new vehicle has a different chipset and OS entirely. The old Taycan may get updates still but it will not be the same system as this new one
@@iMaxPatten You didn't watch the video...
This car finally proves that an EV is just as viable as any ICE vehicle for a road trip especially once it gets access to the NACS Superchargers.
The updates also show how quickly this tech will improve as more manufacturers gain experience, or real world data, on their architectures.
If porsche really wants to beat every one in the game,they should use battery cells with over 450 wh/kg energy density,and they should manage to have a battery pack with atleast 400wh/kg in pack level energy density,CATL will massproduce it's automotive version semi solid state condensed battery early summer this year with over 450 wh/kg in cell energy density,porsche taycan turbo s weighs 2280 kg din which is 15 kg weight reduction and considering that more power and range and battery size is amazing but if they manage to have CATL semi solid state battery in their taycan line up they will have 400 kg weight saving from the battery pack and they can reduce the weight of e drive units with another 80 kg from drive train,if they do;this taycan turbo s will weigh 1800 kg din and a lot more range and performance i hope they will do what they should do to be the best
@@davidfujkk8018 Volkswagen Audi Group is planning something "big" in battery space, in few years, but until then, i think these speeds are absolutely nonissue. one coffee for 50% of range / 50 kWh .... PLENTY
At the moment NACS would make it worse. At 400V chargers like all Superchargers, Taycan charges dog slow.
@@bellumCretatus dog slow in this case means exactly as tesla does?!
dannnnngggg that oak green😍
I wish you showed the new CarPlay integration
48:36 is a NACS ad if I've ever seen one lol
That will literally break your back doing that for lifetime of Taycan. lol
Because superchargers cant Charge 800V cars?
Great video. My 2020 4 S is at the dealer awaiting a battery repair. Once scheduled the repair is to take place at a Porsche battery repair facility in Oklahoma. What is your feeling about the future of my original performance plus battery? Am I likely to lose additional battery modules in the future?
Wish it was something I could afford, pretty amazing car. I would want to be able to use the SC network though and I don't think most locations will be V4 for a long time. Unless non-telsa charging networks get just as good or better.
Saw this in the Macan configurator. I really like the light up Porsche nameplate in the tail lights, pretty sure it’s new.
Car looks a bit more “taught” kinda like the Highland refresh.
A lighter battery despite the much greater capacity, that's a relief!
Tesla has been upshowing them with how light the Plaid is. Now 4-5 kWh more in the Taycan, is very welcome.
Suspension and chassis integration seem to help them a good bit.
Love our Taycan, but these upgrades and range are so cool. Bummed we can’t have them.
Will this taycan be compatible with Apple CarPlay 2.0?
I love how serious Porsche is taking the EV cars,great video
Personal preferences are just that, styling issues can't be criticized, performance is a whole other topic.
On the styling topic, the green would never be my choice neither would the cybertruck but I did spend $350 on the VW ID4 lit rear badge 😊
Ok, seriously want one of these now. Sigh, 2-3 years away - something to look forward to!
Hey Kyle love the review a friend of mine his daughter just got the Taycan electric loves it..has anyone ever told you your a dopelganger for the actor in the Iron Eagle part one movie. Referring to the actor with the glasses and same hair color and same voice which is weird but funny. Love the review spot on.
Laying the smack down on the Model S!
I would still go for the Model S. And that’s from a 2x Porsche owner.
@@therealbettyswollocks I can't get over the looks of the Model S though, I think it is ugly. This new Taycan looks pretty good. At least the Model S has decent depreciation though (~55% 5 year residual value), unlike the Taycan which is terrible (~38% 5 year residual vale)
I mean for 2-3x the price sure…also no data on longevity for the Porsches
Is the battery chemistry on this car standard or is it something new ???
Do not know this, but it charges with about 3C, which is same like other 800v Systems, too...100kwh Battery and 300kw means 3C.
Kia charges at 230kw and has a 77kwh Batterie...3C, too.
Means this is nothing especially high, but the charging curve is the most interesting, which is kept very long, very high.
It's a new chemistry. It can charge from 15 °C with full power, where the old needed 35 °C .
It's really quite amazing.
Recent body I saw said it was so nmc, but with a different formula. More nickel, less manganese and cobalt. I think.
@@Cyrribrae it was explained that they moved from NMC 622 to NMC 811. The numbers are ten percent of the makeup, so more nickel and less manganese and cobalt.
I love this car and I had 2 of them, I think I am going to get this version
let me buy it after youre done with it, get the green CT
Any inkling as to when the electric Cayman will be available?
Its getting tested here in Germany since over a year, maybe 2025/26?
Don't forget about the outrageous base price even before pricey Porsche options are selected. I'll wait a few years when these become available at CarMax.
So Kyle - didn't you have a Taycan on order? What's the latest on that? Transferring to an order of a refreshed version or...?
I agree about the oak green. Epic!
The Neo Oak Green is not nearly as exciting as it would have been if they had offered the genuine OG PTS Oak Green. The Neo Oak Green is a bit brighter and not as rich as the old school PTS Oak Green.
Any more details on how they got improved efficiency? It’s a big step up
What is the ICE equivalent in KW , Charging Speed vs Pumping Fuel (@35% efficiency ) .
Nice job Kyle!
J1 is the internal name of the Car, the plattform is called MLBevo
Can you link the Panamara video? I can’t find it anywhere
Great car. I know more than 300 kW charging sounds great. But if we look at on C rating basis, it is quite similar to other 800V cars from Hyundai/Kia. Approx 3C. 😊.
Yes, that is true. E-GMP by Hyundai/KIA has 3.0-3.1C (77.5kWh battery and 235-240kW charging power) and the
Porsche Taycan has 3.1-3.2C (105kWh battery and 325-335kW max charging power)
Which is why I would not stress about longevity. It has super fast charging speeds but it is also pretty save at the same time. The Taycan is such an awesome EV.
Many EVs will do 3C charging, but how many of them hold 3C all the way up to 65%? Most only hold 3C for a minute or two.
@@GraysonCarr which are??? To be clear I am talking about good engineered cars. The E-GMP cars will like the new taycan do 10-80% in about 18 minutes. Even the the model y with byd blade batteries are pulling 3C for very long and will do 10-80 in approx 20 min.
It’s awesome what Porsche is doing, but it sucks that the only “real” Tesla competition is coming from a manufacturer/car that isn’t attainable for the majority of people.
Yeah. This tech will trickle down to audi (etron gt). Then vw and seat/Skoda.
@@jeffsteyn7174not directly...this is J1 used in Etron G, too. Even the electric Macan uses PPE which supports HUD for example...not available in J1.
PPE will be used in Q6 and A6 Etron...in Future there is a common shared 800v Platform called SSP for entire VAG.
@@josefv-y8mThe Taycan with HUD is the one with more hefty dashboard behind the curved screen, it exists for years 😅
You don't think Kia and Hyundai are real tesla competition? Think all these brands that are doing well in EV design are currently focusing on slightly different things, and that is a good thing IMO
@@Cyrribrae I guess I wasn’t really thinking about those. But I’m talking more about the charging curve, battery range, etc of the Porsche, it just feels so far ahead of anything else, even Tesla. Tesla has the network to back it up though.
Crazy that this was filled with an iPhone... Awesome vid!
hmmm, should I trade in my Panamera ST for the new Taycan?
Looks GREAT. I'd love to see a review of the new Apple CarPlay features/screens. Keep up the great content!
Weirdly my id4 is able to stay in sport mode from start to start. Wonder why they can’t do it in the taycan?
Hows the battery guarantee ? :P
Ok
For me is Nato Green with bronze wheels on Tycan Crossturismo ❤❤😊😊
What is the warranty on the battery?
4yr/50K miles
Not the car. The warranty on the battery. Tesla is 120K miles or 7 years. If you are going to charge @ 300kw that will take a toll on the battery.
@@peteravolio2695
8 year / 120k miles in Europe
Can you please do a video on why so many non-Tesla DC Fast chargers are offline? It seems there are no moving parts. Why do Electrify America and EVgo have so many EVSE offline? What is the technical challenge?
Eeeehm, isn't that Rossfeld Panorama Strasse in the background at @25:59? A slightly odd nod to history?
I have forgotten, but is the battery pack have a higher voltage than the last generation, at 33% 790volts?
This platform would be so lovely for a REAL stationwagon. Like a Jaguar XF, BMW i5 (bummer that one), E-Class (EQE seems decidedly meh, by intention), even Audi A6. The Audi RS6 if made BEV might as well be on the PA platform rather than rumoured PPE shared with Macan?
Well the A6 etron avant will be on the PPE Platform, Same as the Q6 and Macan
Amazing car, they really stepped it up. Hopefully it trickles down to the Etron GT as well
What colour is the of the saloon? I’m just ordering a Turbo S and love that colour.
I actually like the new dashboard/infotainment layout of new Porsche. Like if we haven t enough screens every day.
I want that green taycan so bad! Fire 🔥 so sick
I am worried about battery longevity though. This battery went from 20 Celsius to 49 Celsius in four minutes. Are there limitations to how often one can fast charge like this?
I appreciate Porsche’s doubling down on power transfer efficiencies of 800V architecture. Hopefully the North America charging infrastructure will accommodate more robustly these 800V platforms and what they’ve proven to be a better way not that it had to be proven. We’ve always known reducing charging losses are exponentially improved at these higher voltages. It’s fantastic that Porsche is optimizing chemistry and cooling to maximize this potential. 💯#phenomenalchargingtech 1:00:21
That bit at @8.40 is completely wrong, eh? The original Turbo S is 761 in launch control and 570 normally, so the new model's basic isn't more than the old models launch control overboost as stayed is it?
The green Cross turismo is a 10 of 10 for me
The best two colors Porsche is doing right now, Ice Grey & Oak Green.
also there is a german car guy used to be on tv does youtube now and has its own tuning shop anyway he used to work for porsche is very higly connected to the top of porsche, drives concept cars that nobody has ever been in, not even people from porsche. im talking about JP performance, in one video of the last year one of the porsche officals said that electric vehicles are no where near to the peak of technology. they are working on a hugh battery with ~200kwh but lighter then current 80kwh which will charge in 10 min from 0 to full and has a range of several 1000 km... thats a statement, and made me think that my model y performance right now is basicaly just a toy. the future of e mobility will be mindblowing.
Very cool that the suspension runs on 800V. Tesla needed 48V just for the steering motors?
@@mdebart8678 Why is 12V a fail, if Tesla has 12V and 48V next to HV?
Seems like the 400V vs 800V all over again. 400V cars can work fine with fast charging, unless batteries outgrow it.
So if you are picking the color I have to get my Cross Turismo in, then are you paying for it too? ❤ Thank you Kyle. You are the best!
I’ll take the Cross Turismo as is! BEAUTIFUL!
Wagon looks like an unbelievably good car and the one I’d go for have I had the money. Next life maybe.
Ayoooo great to hear that you’re a fan of Autogefuhl
Do you think any of the software updates that were added to the facelift Taycan will make its way to the older Taycan?
He definitely showed Kyle the new EV Boxster at the development center lol
I am so curious. It will be a great car.
How is the PARS system ??
Charging curve, Wow! What have they figured about about the battery to keep it from degrading prematurely? I would guess maybe they haven't. But for someone like me, not a big deal. I don't do fast charging very often, and would use it sparingly, but very nice to have on a road trip. I'm not so sure about someone who fast charges all the time.
Agreed, anyone can charge a battery fast, how does that last though
Even tho the charging speed is mad crazy the C charge rate isn't. 105kWh total battery capacity and a 335kW max charging power is 3.2C. That is similar to the E-GMP platform of Hyundai/KIA. So the stress on the battery isn't mad crazy.
Besides that Porsche has put a great amount of development into temperature management. The cooling and heating capabilities are massive in this car, it was developed with track days in mind.
You get max charging power already at 15.5°C or 60°F battery temperature, which isn't very high im comparison to the competition which normally needs 25°C or 77°F and more.
This gives you more thermal headroom for quick charging without overheating the battery. Porsche has the best temperature management and performance buffers.
So Porsche figured out the two most crucial aspects to battery life, battery stress and battery temperature management.
Of course the user still needs to follow good practices like not letting your EV sit at a super high or super low SoC but there will be no additional degradation of the batteries due to these high charging speeds. Porsche knows what they are doing.
@@BBingo-v5i It's not about the charging power, but the charging curve, which on the Porsche stays really high even as the battery fills. I clearly said I didn't know if they've discovered something while charging at high power deep into the battery, but that I doubted they had discovered something every one else hasn't. I never claimed to speak from any expertise on the Porsche battery or it's BMS.
@@777Outrigger No just looking at the charging curve alone is meaningless in terms of battery stress, at least if we are talking about 5-75% SoC range (the Taycan chooses 65% as the first threshold to slow down a bit and again at 80% to slow down further).
Only above 75% a flat charging curve at high levels become a problem which is why charging speeds fall drastically from there on. The charging curve within the mentioned range of SoC is mostly just thermal stress related and I explained how Porsche improved on this.
If you have a 200kWh battery (like the Hummer EV for instance) and you charge it with 400kW it is only a 2C charge rate. The 400kW could easily be hold steady until 75%. Not much stress on the battery here.
400kW is much higher than the 330kW from the Taycan but it would not mean that the charging session would be quicker overall or that the stress on the battery is higher. 2C means it takes 30min to fill up the battery.
Thermals (charging curve) and C charge rate are of course based on the technical specifications of the battery chemistry to begin with, but the 3.2C of the Taycan isn't anything crazy and the NMC chemistry used is also nothing special.
Due to the good battery temperature management the charging curve of the Taycan can stay flat at a somewhat high charge rate of 3C. The combination of these factors is what counts.
To put that into perspective:
The E-GMP Plattform from Hyundai/KIA could achieve similar charging results to the Taycan if they would improve on thermals as they have to slow down way earlier than the 65% SoC of the Taycan due to overheating. Check out the video of Björn Nyland about the charging speed.
10-80% is under 19min in E-GMP cars, not far off from the 16min of the Taycan.
@@BBingo-v5i Color me skeptical. I think it's an act of faith on your part that somehow Porsche is doing this in a way that won't lead to higher battery degradation. Everyone's talking faster charging speeds, and if it was this easy, everyone would be doing it.
And I don't think it's all about heat. That maybe the biggest part of it, but overloading the battery cells is part of the equation too. And that becomes more likely at higher states of charge.
And how many EVs have a 200 kWh battery pack? Not the norm for sure.
Big upgrade.
Just played a little with Porsche configurator. $247K !!!! For people who didn't get it - two (2) hundred forty seven thousand dollars! I said what I said. Thanks.
Best car ❤
Beautiful car.
On a Tesla v3 supercharger, would it only get 160kw (400v * 400 amps)?
Yes, Tesla is outdated
I still prefer British Racing Green, which is a slighter darker shade
How much can it tow. Wonder if this can tow some loads farther than a cybertruck
Can you please add kilometres and kilometres/h as an asterisk when you talk about miles
26:36 - re: "when you get to the hydraulic stuff..." SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA LOW RIDERS HAVE JOINED THE CHAT...!!!😎
Kyle. Does it really only have 4G for updates 🤕😳
i saw many of these videos about this car, and they always go to the same porsche charger, does it also charge this fast on public infrastructure?
Yes it does, my etron rs gt wich is rated at max speed 270kw.. i've seen 275kw at the Ionity 800v chargers.. 😂❤
Why can’t I get a sunroof that open up
the 10% challenge in this is going to be interesting, unless the charger bugs out this is going to kill it
Will owners of 2023-2024 Taycans get the software update?
will the US version have the NACS connector?
I would assume it would have the NACS charge port since it will be a 2025 model
Can’t believe you believe the front looks are similar.the old one was ugly, finally Porsche has fixed it
If there were ever a planet that your e-golf could charge at this power level, it be fully charged in about 6 minutes! LMAO!