The Arena | Challenge Islam | Defend your Beliefs - Episode 73
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Jazakallah Khair 🙏
جَزَاكَ ٱللَّٰهُ خَيْرًا
JZK
Jazak Allahu khayran
All praise is to Allah the creator of the heavens and the Earth and all the worlds the Messiah translated Christ called upon the Lord Almighty by saying Allah aha and he asked the Lord Almighty protect him from the evil and he will safeguarded when he was in The garden of a messenger sent only for the lost sheep of Israel and only them and no other Nation all Messengers and profits were sent to teach the people and to warn the people to worship the creator of the heavens and the Earth and every nation and every people of their time had a prescribed way of worshiping now we are in this time and age the last and final messenger end of prescribed prayer is five times a day and then you make your remembrances after remember the Lord Almighty abundantly day and night and you thank him for all your that has no musical instruments and is acapella or a simple drum you could do that and times of ease and holidays but there is no singing during prayer p you can remember the Lord Almighty in a and you could sing a Melody that is in Arabic or that has kosher lyrics an acapella and maybe just a simple drum but it's not worshipthere's only one way to worship and that's like how the Messiah would bow down prostrate to the creator of the heavens and the Earth and all the worlds just like all the messengers and all the safeguard yourself from evil and don't follow in the Satan that led to the destruction of humanity as we see it p follow behavior follow language and follow you take one step forward to Satanism and then you're going to be destroyed Satan will take you down with his that's why you need to keep yourself the five daily prayers after the prayer
Subhanallah! Hamza abi,this speech of yours from 52:42 to 1:01:03 was worth of countless hours of Arena streams. Literally increased my emaan. May Allah be pleased with you for this golden platform
Mashallah
7:32 - AB (Deist)
49:21 - Anderson (Musician close to Islam)
1:15:48 - Frank (Christian)
2:02:34 - Peter (Christian)
2:26:03 - Roy Ray (Christian)
2:35:01 - William (Christian)
2:56:43 - Rob (Christian)
2:39:05 - Sheldon the goat (Christian)
2:45:15 - Aron (Christian)
2:50:51 - Jules (Atheist)
2:55:43 - Rob (Christian)
3:08:53 - Troll (waste of time)
Thank you
Frank is also a waste of time
Poor bugger from down under😅
Most of these guys are waste of time not only the last guy. Frank, Rob, Bob etc 😅
@@jacksonroad9263💯%
Watching brother Sharif dismantles Frank is like watching a work of art. May Allah bless brother Sharif and continue to enrich him in knowledge.
Ameen
Ameen
Ameen.
Listening to Frank 22 after midnight makes me regret losing my sleep.
when come to frank...just skip...l did that
@@MohamedMohamed-ee3wjSame. Skip broken record
@@MohamedMohamed-ee3wjme too. I just had enough of Frank
he is the worst guest always comes up with rhetroic nothing substancial
The music guy. I was into Music aswell and felt like my life was over because it was a source of income and I really enjoyed it but when I sat down and thought about it nicely, I came to the conclusion that my music can have an effect on people listening and could Lead them to drinking alcohol, maybe taking drugs. Another thing, it was a naf , an ego thing and that's what kept Me holding on which made it harder but the amount of space I had in my life for other things after I left it, made a big difference with my outlook on life. Music takes up mental space and the frequencies change your natural state whether you like it or not. These changes add on to create a person who needs more like a drug addict who needs his fix and when he becomes immune to it, he needs more.
Frank has no arguments anymore that he’s just purely being insincere. I don’t know if he’s a masochist, even when he has no proper arguments anymore and all his other arguments in the past have been refuted, he still comes on to get humiliated. Is he just doing it for laughs at this point? When did he decide to join the circus
Probably a dangerous mixture of boredom and loneliness in his senile age
Frank joins the arena just for the sake of arguing, he has no intentions on looking for answers or getting educated, he’s already made up his mind before he joins the stream so he’s just wasting everyone’s time, imo there’s no point of wasting your time with people like him because it’s just gonna lead nowhere
lol bingo
@@TheAcesMAgreed. Just lonely. I can't imagine he'll have much friends seeing how insincere and so unable to admit he is wrong.
I pray that whenever he shows up in any stream or debate, a new Muslim reverts a second after he joins. ..he loses his patience and everything and the Islamophobe in him creeps out..and he will reply to us in the thread...ignore him like how Hamza does..
*_Frank Szanto gasping for air to survive._*
I usually never watch these live streams, just the videos from the park, but youtube accidently played the next video and it's pure banter half the time, I love it
The inheritance law issue isn't pointing to an error; ex-muslims just argue it that way. What's really happening is that is that the math works. Only ex-muslims point out ok, it works but God being perfect it should work in every way. And actually Muslims figured out fractions; but all of sudden Ex-muslims don't want want to do maths anymore. As if fractions are not real. They maybe don't know that the father of algebra is Muslim; he would know if the math doesn't work. And he was a specialist in inheritance law to boot! But honestly there will still be corner cases, that a specialist will know. And that specialist will not be an ex-Muslim. Hope this helps. Jzk
Frank really seem to be losing all his rationale
Never had it
this guy just cant accept the facts
The Maths problem that was brought up isn't a problem at all. Ask him why in the Quran the inheritance is spelled out in fractions and not in percentage. Only percentages require 100%. Fractions can be rationalized to form a whole. His problem is that he thinks that fractions need to add up to a whole which is not true. Fractions can be rationalized and be added up to become a whole. Tell him to go back to school and learn about denominator and numerator in fractions.
This is wholly untrue. Fractions are surds and are the most mathematically accurate representation of division. If your talking about rationalisation like, 1/3 being 0.33 that isn’t the argument he was making. You should take a look at the simple scenarios in which the division is greater than 100%, this ruling should have been lead with a massive caveat saying this is not true in all circumstances and is only a guide. The ending of “this is ordinance from Allah who is all knowing and forbearing” is a bit misleading no?
does a cake being divided in a third a third and a half make sense to any rational human? if i person did this unironically he would be stupid or ignorant. So how is this acceptable from god the all-wise?
@AB-xi9im The fractions are relative amount to each person, not of the amount. If there's not enough assets to go around there will be a deficiency for everyone relative to each of their share. So its not a problem whatsoever. In fact, Allah revealed it that way made sure that if a problem like that occurred in the future it would have a soloution rather than being silent over it and then the people wouldn't have a clue what to do.
@@AB-xi9im You know that inheritance law in Islam is a branch in syariah that is studied thoroughly by scholars. You cannot expect to understand it just by reading the Quran yourself. You need to study it with scholars to truly understand. And ddividing property is not like dividing a cake.
@@abutalsafuba2179 "the fractions are relative amount to each person, not of the amount." prove it mate. the ayat continually say "half of what he left, two thirds of what he left, a sixth of what he left" etc. This just seems like a lame excuse tbh
I love you guys I love you guys I love you guys I love you guys I love you guys to know and thank you so much thank you so much for all your beneficial knowledge may Allah bless and reward you highest ranks in heaven thank you and the humor
This szanto guy is insane ,l mean mad
Subhanallah you got non Muslims entering Islam and you got small amount of Muslims leaving Islam for their desires
I didn’t believe that Abdullah was 18 years old until he asked the silly wudu question.
I think John misheard him, seem like he was actually saying that it would be unreasonable to criticise the Quran by making an argument like that. I think John thought he was actually bringing that as an argument
Yeah me too, the voice made him like he was 35 to 40, I don't mean to be offensive..!
@@idirismohamed1160exactly
Yeah his voice is not 18.
Frank is so insincere. He lies through his teeth, and his tone is full of insult & arrogance.
My personal observations show that some of these people may struggle to accept that a religion originating from Arabia could be valid, especially when it contradicts their perception of Christianity, which they associate with a 'white' Jesus. Despite Christianity also originating from the Middle East, it has evolved significantly over time. This evolution makes it challenging for some to embrace Islam. While it's difficult to attribute this solely to hidden racism, certain discussions in da'wah settings have hinted at such underlying biases. Ultimately, only Allah knows the true reasons.
I'm at the point where I feel he must have a learning disability, that level of ignorance is beyond
أحسنت القول يا شيخ بارك الله فيك
1:24:04 …”he’s reciting stories that he heard”….but also, the Quran corrected them, gave honor back to the prophets, and has the most advanced Arabic literature.
Masha'Allah TabarakAllah
33:47 …Masha’Allah this young man’s voice would be so beautiful in Tajwid Al Quran. Insha’Allah he returns to Islam, and studies to become a Qari.
The minute Hamza came back, I knew he was going to kick Frank,,this guy can waffle for hours without realising that he is making a fool of himself,, I'm happy that the guys interacted with him to show his ignorance and insincerity
Sometimes I feel that it discourages people taking their Shahada when we are not patient with them. If we advise them to talk to scholars, we should give them a link to them. Just my thoughts, brothers. You all are amazing and doing great things May Allah bless you all
Frank has become very annoying person and brings the same arguments again and again in most live streams.
I hope he should be banned from coming.
Hamza why do you keep bringing the same people, that too the insincere ones like Frank
He just keeps with the same garbage over and over and you keep giving him air time, like whyyyy
Several Christian biblical scholars have argued that the authors of the four Gospels are anonymous. Here are some notable scholars along with their works where they discuss this view:
**Raymond E. Brown**
- **"An Introduction to the New Testament"** (1997): Brown discusses the scholarly consensus on the anonymous nature of the Gospel authorship.
**Graham Stanton**
- **"The Gospels and Jesus"** (2nd Edition, 2002): Stanton provides insights into the origins and anonymity of the Gospels.
**James D. G. Dunn**
- **"Jesus Remembered"** (2003): In this work, Dunn addresses the authorship and formation of the Gospels, noting their initial anonymity.
**"The Oral Gospel Tradition"** (2013): Dunn examines the oral traditions behind the Gospels, noting their anonymous authorship.
**Dale C. Allison Jr.**
- **"Constructing Jesus: Memory, Imagination, and History"** (2010): Allison discusses the complexities of Gospel authorship, including the argument for anonymity.
**Richard Bauckham**
- **"Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony"** (2006): Bauckham argues for the presence of eyewitness testimony but acknowledges the scholarly view on the initial anonymity of the texts.
**Helmut Koester**
- **"Ancient Christian Gospels: Their History and Development"** (1990): Koester provides a historical analysis of the Gospels, emphasizing their anonymous origins.
**Martin Hengel**
- **"The Four Gospels and the One Gospel of Jesus Christ"** (2000): Hengel discusses the formation of the Gospels and their anonymous authorship.
**Luke Timothy Johnson**
- **"The Writings of the New Testament: An Interpretation"** (1999): Johnson examines the New Testament writings, addressing the anonymous nature of the Gospel authors.
**Bruce M. Metzger**
- **"The New Testament: Its Background, Growth, and Content"** (2003): Metzger provides an overview of the New Testament, including discussions on the anonymity of the Gospels.
**E.P. Sanders**
- **Works**: "The Historical Figure of Jesus" (1993)
- Sanders notes the anonymous nature of the Gospels and the later attribution to the traditional names.
**Adela Yarbro Collins**
- **Works**: "Mark: A Commentary" (2007)
- In her commentary, Collins discusses the Gospel of Mark's anonymous authorship and the tradition of attribution.
Decent episode with a humourous touch...
Allah almight is the greatest o rob never loose hope in the mercy of Allah almighty 😊😊😊
Selam aleykum sh. Hamza jezakallah kheir and your beautiful guests ❤️
Running away from a debater without knowledge is a legit Run !
1:08:15
To the brother who was asking "can you worship God through music", its like a person who is good at playing football asking "Can I worship God through playing football?"
Brother, God and his Messengers already explained the ways in which you worship God
I don't know if I should bring up this example but I saw a female Christian adult actress in a podcast and she was saying that when she does the adult films, she is glorifying God through that because God gave her that body and stuff...
1:20:30 Frank 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ astaghfirullah
Hamza may Allah almighty bless you alot 😊😊
23:53 - sorry, Alhumdulilah? whys he praising God, if he’s “left Islam”, even ibless is confused with this brother LOOOOOOOL
Rob doesn’t know who his father is let alone figure out Samiri and Pharaoh.
To the brother who was asking "can you worship God through music", its like a person who is good at playing football asking "Can I worship God through playing football?"
Brother, God and his Messengers already explained the ways in which you worship God
I don't know if I should use this example but I saw a female adult Christian actress in a podcast and she was saying that when she does the adult film, she is glorifying God through it because God gave her that body and stuff...
I think Frank is working with addition while deluding himself into thinking it’s advanced calculus, A`udhu billahi minash-Shaitan nir-rajim!
Lol do you have any inheritance 😂
Wasting your Friday night 😂
Marshallah thuma ameen 😊
Sharif is just incredible
Franks lost the plot he needs help, counselling to begin with!
Frank is so funny, it’s so obvious when he’s caught
On the ball brother John, hamza has indeed set you brothers up with this mad szantos
This distribution of wealth argument, trying to falsely Islam has to be coming from some central source because these individuals are popping up here in other dawah streams too at the same time with these same arguments. An Esteemed brother, Mufti Yasir Nadeem Al Wajidi who runs a dawah channel by his name had a similar ex Muslim making the same reasons for leaving Islam exactly 2 days ago because he found the mathematics to be not correct.
Mufti Yasir Nadeem Al Wajidi and his team brilliantly explained numbers in fractions like 50%, 60% or any other fraction mentioned is a variable number. The team showed not only this to be mathematically correct in Islam but also how the Indian govt recognises 36.xx % to be recognised as 30% and other such fractions are recognised as the rounded of fraction.
But coming back to my point, these arguments of trying to falsify Islam seem to be getting generated from some central source and that’s why we see people popping up at the same time with the same arguments as seen here too.
Alhumdullilah for all our brothers doing dawah and all the hard work they put in to debunk these trolls who try to falsify Islam, which can never ever be proved to be false
Again 18 is a child in your eyes and not allowed to challenge Islam because he’s a kid. But you can marry children younger than 18😅 make it make sense.
Are these livestreams hosted on TH-cam and is there a schedule?
Allah hoe Akbar islam is really true 😊😊😊
Poor, mentally disturbed Frank Szanto. May Allah guide this polytheistic Islamophobe. Ameen 🤲🤞🕋
he has mental problem?
@@tobi4637 metaphorically speaking, but maybe he actually does - who knows.
2:24:39 After this point they can't get rid of the funny mood 😁
Frank still in denial and still coming with his non sense. I’m wondering if he does believe god dies and wake up three days later ?
Dont forget the zombies and talking donkeys
The music guy was really angry ; you can hear the demon come out of him.
Frank, 10 out of 10 for effort...... O out of 10 for actually having a pointy. 😢😢😢
What effort? He doesnt know what hes talking about
Any valid argument you bring to that geezer, he'll only just be like..."Nah".
@@kingofthecorner123 believing in man-god will do that to you
@@NabeelAbdulSamad believing in a zombie demigod that had to kill himself to nullify a curse that he himself put on innocent people while being 100% percent man and 100% god at the same time, while also being his own father and his own son and a little bird flying around people's heads, after years of swearing his mother and getting drunk and smacking people's heads with sticks and cursing trees for not bearing fruit in the right season...
You think Allah (SWT) would give perfect sanity to anybody who believes in something like that, let alone attribute such filth to Isa (AS)?
May Allah guide them or break their backs.
Rob is so bored of living he has to reject Truth
Hamza got dessert on his mind😂
the first guy came with same question to dawahwise
Frank is a troll. This has never changed. He should only ever be entertained if there are no other callers.
Even though I think the first guy AB was proper midcurving his logic, he could’ve been dealt with better
It’s kind of you to blur Abdullah’s face. He’s 18, and inshallah he will get back on the straight path. He doesn’t need his face plastered on the internet and cause him problems with his family. May Allah guide our young brother❤️
Frank stazo don't deserve more than 5 minutes on hamza's den..he is waste of time
I forget there is an arena today 😢😢😢😢😢
Hamza sneaky😂😂😂 left brothers with Franklinstein
I thought there were two Hamzas (John Fontaine) 😂
May Allah guide Abdullah back to Islam
How long will this be public?
Until further notice.
Dear brother Hamza by Allah I love you and I admire any one of your Gladiator and what you doing through out the Arina, and I'm saying that with due all respect "you need to change your way in call Ppl towards Allah and concider any one comes to refute or asking
Aal Immran 159
It was by the mercy of Allah that thou wast lenient with them (O Muhammad), for if thou hadst been stern and fierce of heart they would have dispersed from round about thee. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult with them upon the conduct of affairs. And when thou art resolved, then put thy trust in Allah. Lo! Allah loveth those who put their trust (in Him).
3:159
it's not a criticism it is "Nasiha"
Much love to my favourite streaming channel
LOL Hamza just used Frank’s time to get a meal 😂
smart choice
Lmfao my brother muris got so frustrated with frank
All ex Muslim have same Questions, last week same Question was asked by Mufti Yasir Nadeem Al wajdi in urdu stream on his channel.
It is proven fact no one can defend islam till Qayamat
Patience in dawah is good, but I think the time allocated to frank should be regulated, like one minute for the question and the panel can answer, take it or leave it, such a waste of time every arena
I would've cut frank off once he libeled Sharif...said he didn't read the quran...shows how insincere he is and laughs when confronted with his lies.
Salam aleikom , regarding the title Sameri the Quran is best explained first by Quran and the title used here can be traced to a word used in Quran Samer سامرا , from the word سمر , which means in Arabic conversing by night and in context of the Aya in suret el moumenon Aya 67; it speaks of people who pass by reading the scripture and yet even tho they do it’s still deserted which is more like taking the shell of the scripture and leaving its context , a very fitting title to actually describe the person in suret Taha with Mousa peace upon him , as he used his knowledge of the scripture to deviate from it , a similar figure in the Bible even can be Korah ; who caused a rebellion however I believe this figure has been intentionally hidden since the calamity of the golden calf was laid falsely on Aron instead of him .. which shows an intentional cover up to the figure some how but that’s another story , the whole lie about Aron peace upon him grew to finally end up with a bigger lie on Jesus being the sin offering figure claimed by Azazel .. and Allah knows best
Asababun nuzul ayat 67, its kafir quraisy who sitting near ka'bah chatting/hangout didnt sleep all night dispute each other about prophet, they fitna Alquran/prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wassallam by saying crazy or talk dome about ayat that prophet recite when he shalat in night
Hamza left the brothers with the psychotic and insincere Frank...he just stays at home, has no friends and waits for Hamza's Den to come on...
Who else automatically skips Frank’s part?
Someone should ask rob who is the old man that jesus was talking too.
Who is the neighbour what was his name or his national insurance number.
What was the names of the angels who came Gabriel when it reffers to the angels cane with Gabriel.. how tallnwas they.. what was there weight
If you dont have this information bibles is false
I lost a lot of brain cells while frank was talking
ab is 18 in age but not in mind
How is this dawa if Hamza kicks everyone off. Meanwhile frank got like 1hr going on about nonsense
The sheriff is in town
frank. before he even speak i know what his argument will be.
"The Quran is false because its not the same as the bible"... like always. but i kept listening, hoping it would be different this time....
answering "ehehe hehe.. ehehe" to people counter argument like he did something intelligent is his theme.
its soo satisfying to see how he try to ignore Muris's and sharif's argument but they dont let him 😂😂
kudos to hamza. he really can smell waffles from people. i completely given up hope on frank . he simply arent able to do it.
he should have a theme song of his own whenever he come to the arena. so we will know we are on the comic relief segments
Ask Rob the joker whether the amswer of any of his pointless questions necessarily disprove the islamic beliefs. Hes been asked this before and just says no.
subhan allah, even after speaking with brothers for over three years it shows franks dishonesty. even after all this discussion he wants to claim the Quran got stories from the bible and yet he cannot justify the content of the bible.
@GutzOverFear " For those who might be interested.." You guys truly think this is just a drama. What a shame.
i start feeling sorry for frank
Frank Szanto as usual....beating a dead horse
Until he can prove that Bible is reliable and true, better never come again
السلام عليكم
I always stand with Hamza and argue with guyz but this was torture 😢 leaving the panel with frank with his ...... Unbelievable how he thinks his doing something 😂. They were getting tortured with his unreasonable arguments from my understanding
Let that frank laugh in front of Allah.. then he will know.. too late
it seems to me hamza and john fontain are twin brother
Subhanallaah you bros are brutal never from Islam to so visious with people like la howla walla kuwata illa billa . James whale springs to mind... dawah? 😂😂😂
In Arabic it is pronounced Saameri, not Sameri…
@myuzairy7324 "..is like watching a work of art.." What do you think this is a movie?
This is reality, and you guys refuse to see it as such. You see it as a topic to be debated on over and over.
I don't understand how the fact that one of the guests is from Tennessee and wears a tank top is relevent to the debate, and also why it's seemingly so funny. Are ad homs routinely used as arguments against anyone who disagrees with you? It comes across as insecure at best. I think if you let your guests put their arguments forth without heckling and interrupting them you'd have more rigorous and interesting debates.
Nahh it's good to laugh sometimes😊
This guy is an old man 21:28 not 18 years old
To end Christianity and the war only muslims have to ask christians why they refuse to ask for proof that the Quran was memorized. Trust me. Whenever you want to end Christianity ask christians why they refused to ask for proof that the Quran was memorized. Do you want to know if the Quran was memorized? Do you want to know the truth? It doesn't matter if you are muslim, you have to make yourself respect. To not waste this loving poem I say the truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Thank you.
But many christians aren't actually sincere about finding the truth they'd rather believe in a comfortable lie (atonement by sacrifice) instead of the better truth of real monotheism or Tawheed (faith , work & repentance) and Allah ﷻ only gives guidance to the sincere truthful people.
And Allah ﷻ said about the other kind of people:
"And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless."
﴿وَلَقَدْ ذَرَأْنَا لِجَهَنَّمَ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ ۖ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لَّا يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لَّا يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لَّا يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ كَالْأَنْعَامِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْغَافِلُونَ﴾
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I enjoy this show sometimes.
However, the beginning of this show confirms what I suspected for a long time.
Hamza and friends are bullies. Not always disingenuous, this time for sure.
Asking dumb questions, wasting time, not allowing one to even talk. With all the time wasted you could have properly dealt with it.
I’m not one to say these guys run away, but looks like they really run away from scary from allowing people make their argument.
Referring to the first guest.
May not return to show. Get your act together guys
frank love to claim all thing when asking for evident , we need to google the evident for him , that why hamza always say we not going to do your homework for you
It turna like same guys Frank Rob.. you need to do something Hamza..
Frank the scholar
I believe frank just comes on to justify his belief in the bible. He is going through severe cognitive disonance or disorder at this advance stage,
in abbys mind the mathematical error he thinks exist out weight all the prophecies