@@halalpolice23 Sorry to tell you my sister, but this guy has no morals, he just wants some more views. He has no shame or honor, so I'm sure he'll be back, just like David Wood keeps coming back to Shaykh Uthman.
This person and his likes have no shame nor any morals .. i would actually respect him if he have dark nightmares and anxiety issues after getting intellectually destroyed, at least it may show how human he is and that he have honour .. but the problem he won't, he will continue in his lies and stupidity.
@@gusjeazer Muslim argument: The books ( Jewish and Christian books) that you claim don’t mention Mecca( which they do by the way) are unreliable. So even if they did mention it, it wouldn’t matter because they are unreliable. Another argument is, just because something isn’t mentioned or doesn’t have proof of its “importance” in previous religions doesn’t mean it’s not from One true God. If we take his fallacious argument than anything that Paul came up with pertaining to trinity is false because it wasn’t even hinted at in the older scriptures. Your argument on why Muslims don’t have an argument: I am going to assume this is what Muslims are arguing, and make other believe it without evidence because I assumed it to be. Now go back and reflect and please listen to the whole conversation rationally.
@@gusjeazer you can’t understand the panelists or what? They clearly said that the Bible has no bearing on their faith. Khalil only entertained the point because he wanted to show that it doesn’t necessarily mean that Mecca isn’t Becca because there are opinions which say this. You guys are literal examples of ingenuity, exactly why asadullah didn’t entertain ap. Is because it was a strawman, and furthering would make it seem like ap had an argument to ignorant or disingenuous people, like you.
@@abd_md they don't get to decide what Islam is. The Quran, and the Hadith are Islam, not their opinion. They reject the bible, but lay claim to the characters and history of the bible. They just reject whatever doesn't suit them, which is just about everything. Muhammad clearly "hijacked" Christianity and Judaism. He actually said multiple times, both recorded in Hadith and Quran, that the bible is scripture, that Christians should test Islam with their bible (ie there would be no contradiction between Islam and the bible, well that was a lie), that whoever does not read and believe the bible, is no better than those that rebel, that the ENTIRE word of God, including the bible, is divinely protected. Only many many centuries later, when some Muslims actually started to read the bible, did they start to understand that Islam does contradict the bible completely. So easy solution: the bible must be falsified, changed etc. Even though Muhammad said it was impossible, but whatever. Nothing new, you reject your own scripture all the time, Hadith and reinterpretation of Quran verses. This myth that the bible was falsified, was deeply ingrained in Muslim thought. Of course, without actually looking at any historical evidence. We know exactly what texts Muhammad was referring to, because we have gospels predating Muhammad by centuries, we have many texts of Christians, written during or before the time of Muhammad, all these confirm the gospel we have today. Documents like the dead sea scrolls, confirm that Muhammad refered to the same old testament we have today.
All praise is to allah Lord of the worlds the creator of the heavens and the Earth and all the worlds There is no such thing as a apologetic Muslim A orthodox Muslim A Muslim is true thru and through there is nothing to apologize jazz for rewardship the creator Ever more Do good works give charity pray and prostrate to the Lord Not describing partners That is your salvation Worshipping other than the Lord almighty unlock the same Lord almighty the messiah prayed to is your destruction So regroup Is collaborate And open your heart Well down to your creator and prostrate And the Lord will save you the Lord almighty allah and take you into the light and out of the dark is a simple sum here this oz rial by Lord is one The messiah was only sent for the lost chief of Israel and no one Can't dispute that It's in the scriptures New and old and in the final Testament The whole liquor on Denound satan and you will know The sweetness of faith with action And prostrating to your creator And receiving the mercy and blessings From your head to your toe This is the way the truth in the light no man comes upon the Lord almighty unless his heart is true for the Lord almighty does not accept from idle worship paganism satanism or any other
Or any other delete sect That is the rule And those who are disobedient Unless you repent Sincerely You will know that forever will be a fool For satan's whispers and is demon army That is destroying Bethlehem In the birthplace of each and every messenger in Palestine And they will be held accountable And they will feel the wrath of the Lord almighty And for them there will be no reprieve There will be only the torment they unleashed on Palestine to be unleashed on them forever and the healthier and this is what their hearts sired Send but true
Sunni, shia, ahmadyija, Quranists, Suffi , Mutazillah, Ibadi- just to mention some of the many schismatic sects of islam. Edit: there are tens of thousands sects of christianity. All as stupid as all the Islamic sects.
@@mzmi1422 UGH yes I was SCREAMING it to my wheel and dashboard while stuck in traffic listening to that part lol. Also the story of Abraha building Qilais and what led him to attacking the Kaaba. Or even before that with the whole Abyssinian Civil War between Abraha and the other general in Yemen. There is historical evidence to those events too.
0:19 Entrance of Hamza 1:02 Entrance of Khalil 1:27 Entrance of Yusuf Ponders 1:39 Entrance of Asadullah Ali 4:30, 46:24 Apostate Prophet [Atheist living in Germany] 7:21 BlackJesusMinister [Real Name: George LeBlanc][Christian living in Houston, Texas, USA] 1:52:37 Dylance [Atheist] 2:09:05 Entrance of Sharif Abu Laith 2:58:58 Sarah [Muslimah] 3:01:06, 3:30:56 Joshua Edwards [Not Known] 3:05:46 Rob MTT [Christian from UK] 3:15:14 King [Not Known] 3:15:39, 3:36:10 Mehmet [Muslim from Turkey] 3:16:44 Why So Religious [Atheist] 3:34:18 ALLAHUAKBAR [Muslim] 3:36:24 Ahmed Adil [Muslim] 3:37:15 Abdul Qader [Muslim]
Its so refreshing to have brother Sharif and brother Khalil. Thank you brothers for ur appearance to make the stream a special one. Brother Asadullah and brother yusuf ponders is as usual Brilliant.
@@agadirand4four347 I do not care about my death. I care about my life. Afterlife can be a lure for you. I do not need afterlife, I want to spend my life on my own terms, not dictated by priests or stupid scriptures.
Ridvan: The whole Islamic center of worship is in the wrong place. Muslims: Where it is then? Ridvan: I don’t know, but I can tell with absolute certainty that the Islamic center of worship is in the wrong place. And this guy is supposed to be a serious critic of Islam. Rob MTT: (Have problems with the Ruqyah) No Christians would do Incantation! Me: Yeah, coz these exorcisms Christians do are just figments of our imagination.
Incantation is permissible as long as it doesnt contain words of shirk.If one read the hadiths before and after that hadith,he will come to know the real understanding of that hadith.
You misunderstood his argument. The claim that Abraham built the kaaba part of both the other abrahamic faiths canon is completely devoid of supported evidence outside of Islam. They were literally grasping at straws from the bible while ridiculing the bible for its falsehoods in the same debate. It was painful to watch for people who actually understand what Ridvan was saying. Completly trying to sidestep the claims like your comment illustrates seems to be the only defense left for Muslims
@@burhanahmad2825 "😂" The cringe that emoji single-handedly holds is unimaginable. You're a hindu aren't you? Those guys spam TH-cam comment sections with that emoji.
I really do like how br. Yusuf talks to his interlocuters, it really stands out to me, he's always so collected and lucid (not saying the others arent, just that it really stands out with Yusuf)
Regarding Apus, I agree with Brother Asadullah for not entertaining such nonsensical questions, however, I loved hearing the explanation given by Brother Khalil, as it was so precise and spot on that Masha'Allah that it debunked every such claim out there about Mekkah not being Becca, and it armored us muslims (the ones that don't have the knowledge to the extent of these brothers) against such people making claims and questioning us. Allah Akbar!
Sidestepping the point made by Ridvan was the only defense left. There is no evidence outside of Islam for the Kaaba being built by Abraham and his son. Both discrediting the bible and then trying to make something very remotely vague fit with the description of Mecca and then just shouting over him shows who won this debate. Ridvan kept his composure ! Bravo
@@SkullTrail97775 Seriously? Did we just watch the same debate? lmao. Khalil not only annihilated Ridvan's arguments, but stomped on his head, took a victory lap, partied, came back and sucker punched him in the state of utter unconsciousness! lmao. But I'll indulge you still: Your argument is seriously flawed and here's why: If you study the history of the Makkah even before the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), you'd realize that the pagans of Makkah considered KAABA to be a "sacred" place through their forefathers for thousands of years. Who are the Arabs again? Let me hear you say it! Children of KEDAR, the son of Ishmael (pbuh). So why would you have someone else record their history of Arabs, Kaaba or Ishmael and Kedar? Would you expect the Chinese, Romans, Jews, or Indians to record the history of the traditions of Arabs? The Jews were interested in recording their own traditions. For the traditions of Chinese, would you refer to the Indians? The fact is that after the settlement of Kedar (Arabs), the Bible doesn't speak much about what happened to these people, and how did they turn into pagans if their forefathers weren't, and what was sacred to them and why, because the Bible focuses more on the traditions of Jews. And regarding you commenting on them not providing enough evidence and discrediting the Bible...well, I think Khalil did a fantastic job at providing not just one piece of evidence, but like 5 or 6, and Ridvan couldn't even provide ONE! Couldn't even offer one alternate place to the valley of BECCA! Couldn't explain as to why he thinks Kaaba was considered sacred by the pagans of Mekkah for thousands of years and how they turned into pagans if their forefathers were monotheists.
@@fawadkhan1884 I guess the standard of evidence for religious people is different. If the object is only to reinforce your beliefs you will grasp at straws and take a victory lap while doing it
AP made a very bold claim but failed to provide ZERO evidence, proof, criteria, or any sort of Clue or reference outside BIBLE. He looked like a fool in Arena AP doesn't come without preparation. Khalil destroyed you with the Bible, Asad destroyed you outside the Bible, Yusuf destroyed you logically and Hamza destroyed you technically
@@iluvucuzjesus5347 Bible is Mytho-History according to WLC. Muslims do not have to believe in totality. AP failed to name any temple outside Jerusalem when he brought Jews and Christian tradition as reference for his claim.
@@Shelby._ai He brought his referernce from Jewsish history about four temples build by Abraham P outside Jerusalem but failed to provide Name and Location and not to admit Kaba where Abraham P and his wife Hagar R settled with his son Ismael P
Literally no reason to bring Anxiety Prostate into any discussion, he does exactly the same thing in every conversation he is part of. Completely ignores an entire, detailed, reasoned, referenced refutation of his false-premise argument and demands that everyone simply agree that his argument is correct despite his complete inability to give any reason for anyone to accept it. He has less of a grasp on reality, reason, logic and the way a conversation works than a three-year old child.
@Martin Ramsbottom not really interested, because i don`t really have the time nor knowledge to fact check historical evidence and also many historical record has been proven many time to be bias, so i can`t really bother to check them, if you have any evidence aside from historical maybe i can look into it further.
"blackjesus" , uses a very good "debating"technique , where he uses raising his voice to silence the other "debater" (who is in turn trying to answer the mistakes made by "blackjesus" or point them out) , automatically the other debater feels silenced and the audience views black jesus as a victor as he will waffle on .
He probably rehearses his act for two weeks non stop and as soon as he comes on stream he wants to impress himself again and again, each time he repeats d act he probably thinks each time he is taking his act to a whole new level. The guy is in love wiv himself..... Humbled himself today a little bit after Brother Ijaz's warning, didnt mock d salam to begin with and didnt start with his best tag line, " I just found a very distubing hadeeth"🤣🤣🤣🤣 He is a true entertainer, no clown makes me laugh the way he does, dnt know is dat a compliment for him or a sarcasm lol😆
Incantation is permissible as long as it doesnt contain words of shirk.If one read the hadiths before and after that hadith,he will come to know the real understanding of that hadith.
@@taimur74 How can anyone ever say that that's an adequate punishment for a rapist? I know the incident is all over now but it still baffles after these years how anyone in their right mind can say that - regardless if one is Muslim or not.
Masyaallah One of the Best Arena Panelist, Good for Atheist and Philosophy Panel and Syekh Uthman, Farid, Mansur for the heavier Religion Matter and Hadith, Hope brother Khalil and Sharif come again
So, Apus is saying why isn't the kaba in the Bible when KNOWINGLY the Bible itself has A LOT of information changed and MISSING, APUS still uses it as a criteria. Why if it did say it in the Bible but they removed it as it would collapse their religious foundation.
@@fedesetrtatio1 At the beginning he literally and I quote says: 'Jews and Christians didn't know what a Kaaba was until Islam came forth...' Khalil's response is in reference to those claims...That's why Khalil is using the Bible to refute his premise to show that he's wrong in making that claim. We don't care whether it's in the bible or not as Hamza says multiple times. AP makes multiple references to the Kaaba not being part of Abrahamic faiths (implying it isn't in their sources/bible) even at 50:19 he explicitly mentions Abrahamic biblical scriptures... We don't care if it's any other source. The bible has proven time and time again to not be a reliable source of information. My laughing was mostly towards the end of your sentence talking about without the bible the Quran wouldn't have this and that XD
Mr Anxiety might call the cops on our brothers. Mr Anxiety got Karen traits 😨.Inshallah let's make dua that everything will be okay, dare I even say ...yes I hope even Mr Anxiety is okay too
@@kevinshea8493 No. They entertained his fallacious arguments and then used his own source to refute his point, but keep trying. "Can you hear me?" "hello?" "hello, can you hear me?" "I've read many hadeefs.."
This verse refutes Ray's argument : He is the One who knows the unseen (ghayb), and He reveals His unseen (ghayb) to no one (72.26), except to the messenger He is pleased with, so He sends guards before of him and behind him (72.27) so that He knows that they (the messengers) have delivered the messages of their Lord
Ray didnt even have an arguement, what to refute lol. Poor guy thought/assumed/misunderstood the verse say, prophet Mohammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam doesnt have the knowledge of unseen, thats what he thought and as the ahadith says, prophet shared a lot of unseens Ray thought here is discrepancy, here is the long sought contradiction he discovered but sadly poor comprehension of his own language😩😞
@@fedesetrtatio1 did you actually watched the stream, Khalil gave like six reasons while Apuss just said Khalil is wrong but he provided zero evidence for any alternatives.
@@fedesetrtatio1prophet David went outside jarusalem to the South which includes the Arabian peninsula, in a desert, on a valley, where there is a spring (zam zam) the place is called beca, where there is a house of God, people go there for pilgrimage, and ram sacrifice is offered to comomorate the saving of Ibrahim son, Ismail. All this Info is in the old testament and it fits Mecca perfectly. Do you have any alternatives ?
@@Tislyfe Rob is passively teaching me Hadith😆. He will introduce a hadeeth and give d wildest, craziest, concocted interpretation and then the panelists will give proper interpretation. This way d hadeeth and the lesson from it sticks to d memory for long time. If we just take book and read it doesnt stay in mind and heart but Rob is wonderful a great teacher🤣
@@mdabulkhair2237 Wallahi that is exactly what I told my kids! These haters come with their accusations and they help me understand the religion of truth even further!! 😂😂😂Alhamdolilah
Bro Ridwan is kind of silly. Does not agree with Christianity, brings it to a debate Does not agree with Mecca being the place spoken about in scripture... offers no alternative. ........ how do you have a conversation to begin with
The issue seemed to be that the others didn’t comprehend that an absence of evidence can absolutely be evidence of absence. This is very basic and relying on “well there’s absolutely zero supporting evidence where we would expect to see some but so what?”… is a very poor position to be placed in.
1:49:12 Asadullah said exactly what's killing me inside! Don't entertain his nonsense cause it's fallacious to being with! His minions will think that he has a point cause there's a conversation taking place!
Absolutely loved khalil mashaAllah! Imagine being a first timer on a new stream and talking to some 1 for the first time and actually ending up adding a new meme to his stupidity we first had "its irrelavent" then the whole thing with the pen and now "name a place" 😂😂
@@SkullTrail97775 you keep saying "he kept his composure" as if it validates his baseless, ignorant arguments. Let him keep his composure all he likes, it means nothing when your points are wrong and you have nothing to offer.
Its far more enjoyable listening to atheist/agnostic discussions with the brothers as its always far more on an intellectual level. I really liked dylance !! He is, at least open minded, actually listening, and a really nice person. He is sincere and not coming on with an ego They actually had a proper conversation with him The arena is exactly for people like him. People who come on not knowing logic always look silly because these brothers are really smart and know their stuff. A real force to reckon with. I love how hamza just chops up any waffling...it's so good.
Lovely awesome to see Dr. Asadullah Ali and his blessed son while we're arguing about the Creator and the creation, yet we are given this beautiful and visible evidence billions of of times across the world. Let's be honest, grateful and sincere to our Maker, let's praise Him and seek help from anything or anyone except Him as long as long we live. Al Hamdu li'llahi 🙏
Destroyed how ? >... He got kicked of the show and there basically was no counterargument to the claim that the Kaaba as a place built by Abraham is never mentioned until Islam came along. Also the pagan polytheistic rituals were kept ... No amount of shrieking and shouting will add to a counterargument
@@tachikoma7757 so according to you anything you can't explain can be answered with God did it ... Saves you from thinking a lot ... and explains a lot about religion as well
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated You didn’t answer my question. Do you also reject all of history too? Why don’t you give me a quranic passage or Hadith that can demonstrate that the prophet (saw) was copying from other sources If you’re going to give a Hadith it’s has to be: 1. Mutawatir 2.the prophet explicitly saying he copied other sources 3.the biography of all the narrators 4. Proof of their honesty and righteousness 5. Contemporaries of the narrators who can attest to their honesty and righteousness 6.I want biographies of the contemporaries as well
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated Now you’re running away from me, can you answer my two questions? 1. Do you reject all of history? 2. Give me evidence that the prophet (saw) copied from other sources via a quranic text or Hadith (with the criteria I have above)
Omg first time hearing Khalil and he absolutely destroyed that dishonest AP. Absolute beast mode!!! The way he linked Mecca to Bible completely knocked him out.
Ha ha ha ha Rob is a pure comedy act. He should have been in theatre to do standup act. This guy he himself knows how big of a clown he is. The more he is doing this act the more he is revealing himself to his audience. Its better to give him floor, cause oneday his audience will realize that this guy was just making them fool all along d way. If anyone hears him for first time or second time they will be victim of his drama but if they follow him regularly they will soon find the truth and know his true face.
@@mdabulkhair2237 it's amazing how religious programming makes you overlook the fact that they completely failed to give an answer to the argument AP presented. Sidestepping and shrieking seems to be the way to win. At least AP refrained from doing that or this would have been really painful to watch
@@SkullTrail97775 we were talking about Rob in Maro Maro's comment. Why do u think ur AP is relevant here why do u think im responsible to answer ur AP question. Your own comment is full of assumptions and seems like u r brainwashed to me. Cause u dnt know my background and concluded about me that im programmed by religion. Thanks for ur comment anyway and just to let you know ur comment here was just as irrelevant as AP is.
Apuss: "Why don't jews bow to Kabah?? Why are geographical coordinates of mecca not mentioned in their scripture.??" Because Apuss if they did that they would literally be called Muslims and not jews. They changed their scriptures, deviated from their ways and necessitated the need to send another prophet to bring them back on course. And Becca is literally mentioned in their scripture. Apuss: "Becca is a vague reference, that place could be anywhere in the world. Islam is false" Dear Apuss Becca fits the criteria really well for Mecca. Even their names are so similar. How are you coming to the conclusion that its a vague reference ?? Do you have any other place that fits the criteria for becca? Apuss: "I don't know. But conclusion is Islam is false and made up religion otherwise why don't 99% jews agree with you that Becca is Mecca?" Ok Apuss, one more time, as an ex-Muslim atheist you already know our POV is that their scriptures got more and more corrupted over time, there was information that was either changed or omitted or forgotten. People reading from a corrupted source will never come to the conclusion that Becca is Mecca because that would literally mean they would have to become Muslims. In fact, there are many Jewish Rabbis who conceded this and literally converted to Islam, But you won't even take their word for it as you think it's biased.
So dear Apuss please tell me that if as an atheist you yourself don't believe in the accuracy or preservation of their scriptures. So then what is even the point of discussing what they believe or don't believe? How is their beliefs, which both of us agree is based on corrupted sources, supposed to disprove Islam anyway?? Apuss: You are insulting my intelligence and implying that I'm stupid. Ok, Apuss have a nice day. NEXT!
When APUS could not name an alternative place to Makkah after Khalil's explanation, he had lost. He should have been told to come back again when he could do so.
AP’s argument was so desperate. I can’t believe he actually has fans. And they’re not high IQ fans. That’s for sure. Their hearts are just full of hate. But they won’t admit it.
@@Ceadman Because he’s a self proclaimed atheist, trying to disprove Islam using the supposed insignificance of Mecca to other Abrahamic faiths. It makes no sense for an atheist to be using that line of argumentation. It should be irrelevant to him if the Kaaba is significant to other abrahamic faiths or not because he himself doesn’t believe that those abrahamic faiths are true, let alone that they have some kind of a monopoly on the truth. Having said that, the guys on the panel let him run with it for the sake of the discussion, which exposed the second layer of desperation in his argument which was that he completely failed to actually show that it was insignificant to these abrahamic belief systems because he resorted to a logical fallacy by claiming that the absence of evidence of the significance of Mecca to these Abrahamic faiths is evidence of its insignificance. So not only did he bring forth a nonsensical argument to try and prove that Islam is false, he also failed to substantiate that argument in any way shape or form. Those two points together is all you need to see that it was a desperate attempt. But it gets worse. When Khalil gave him evidence from the Bible (the scripture that these abrahamic faiths derive their theology and beliefs from) that presents criteria where both David and Isaiah reference a house of God that people performed pilgrimage, located in a place called the valley of Baka, where the saving of Abraham’s first born from sacrifice will be commemorated using animal sacrifice and that Mecca fits all these criteria perfectly, he rejected that without giving a counter claim or refuting the argument. All he said was that no biblical scholar says it’s Mecca, well no biblical scholar says where it is period. He was also provided with a reason as to why that may be the case, because they’ll then have to accept Islam which they probably wouldn’t want to do. It was a complete and utter failure of an argument and clearly a desperate attempt that makes zero sense for him to be making in the first place given his atheistic world view. If you can’t see how laughable that was, I don’t know what else to tell you.
@@LordXantos i think you are dumb, but look, at the end of the day my opinion is irrelevant It was going to be great if you joined this stream and educated those "4 children" .. maybe you would have saved them from their "ignorance" right? But you are a coward, so who care about your opinion anyway?
The performance in the program with Ridwan was the lowest you could have done so far. None of you upheld even the basic rules of discussion. You are supposed to make "Dawah" and invite people to Islam in the best manner possible according to the Quran in 16:125; 6:108; 20:44; 4:94; 3:61. What kind of presentation was that!? You did not really engage with his arguments at all, nor tried to understand the points he was making. But you kept interrupting and talked OVER him instead WITH him. You even kicked him out of the program in celebration as if this is childs play. You guys seem to take "Dawah" for sports and consider it as a match. You could not be further away from the teachings of the Quran. And you wonder why people around the world leave your religion. What do you expect if you cannot even lead a discussion in a civilised manner. What a pathetic and shameful display of character!!!
@@HamzasDen His argument was that despite the fact that the Kaaba was the first House of God established by Abraham and him promoting its principles to the people, there is nothing in Jewish literature at all. Instead of listening and engaging with him, you all suddenly started to jump on the Bible and confuse the actual point he made. Ridwan was not just talking about the Bible, but also jewish literature in general such as Talmud etc. and other sources of cultures in general existing in that time surrounding today's Mecca back then. You even denied the point that the Kaaba was announced to the people. Do you actually read your own book? Surah 2:125. You are supposed to be the "Dawah" Team. Seriously?
@@buraksari2136 Why would JEWISH literature emphasize the Arab covenant as part of their own covenant? That literally makes no sense. And you never even addressed the counter-response I made to this effect. Actually, no one did, because you can't.
This is what happens with Christians, each one of them decides to make up their own understanding of the religion, which is why the sects in Christianity keep on growing each year.
@@sherlockgnomes8971 They just talked this topic 2 days ago with white brother who revert to Islam in the stream. Check out the latest live stream in EFDAWAH. And remember Muslim only have 2 sect call Shia and Suni both believe 1 God/Allah SWT, 1 Quran, 1 Prophet-Muhammad pbuh etc. The only think that divided us is politic. If you knew you will know it. Just go and listen to that stream plz and know the difference before you reply.
@Martin Ramsbottom 1/ 1:26:11 we gave our criteria for why Becca is referring to Mecca whereas he just makes baseless claims that he can't back up... Bro his arguments are laughable
@Martin Ramsbottom 2/ why would Apus (an atheist) try to use the bible to justify or deny his (supposed) arguments against Islam... Oh! He'll use anything if it was against Islam because.... you got it, because he's an islamophobic ignorant... An atheist's only arguable discussion should be about "god's existance" he should deal with this...
Apostate prophet made them look like fools. They asked him to prove that there was no proof for the claims the Quran made. That's just a tactic to shut someone up, and only gullible people can't see what is done. Mecca is not Becca, because it is not a valley, has no multiple springs, is geographically way too far removed, has a different name, has no connection to Becca and has barely any rain. Both Abraham and David would have to have fled there, and it would have been a place of pilgrimage for the Jews. This means it is stupid to even consider Mecca. Their arguments are super weak. Like just stupid The Kabaah is a pagan temple like many others, is formed as the black cube of Saturn, has a stone that is worshipped as was prevalent in Arab paganism, is never mentioned anywhere before Islam became a thing. Can you prove it is definitely not Meccah? Can you name a place where Becca is? Name a well where there could have been a well and a worship place? Seriously?
@Martin Ramsbottom but when he debate us about such topic... What is his counter argument? You got it again "It's irrelevant" with a bit of laughter ..the guy is a walking uselessness
@Martin Ramsbottom Biblical scholars: we don’t know where Bekkah is, we have our theories *gives theories and possible locations* but we are not sure Martin: ItS iN JeRuSalEm
Assadullah spot on he is just wasting time. He is saying the Bible has error but is in his eyes 100% accurate and thé coran is wrong. This group of brothers are amazing Masa Allah.
The addition of brother khalil is great! Hope he continues. Bible is not our only reference we use it just to show ppl who believes in it, but we have enough logical and rational reasons to believe in Quran and sunna… Khalil great response 👍🏽 AP out of depth completely… poor guy may Allah guide him… Farid’s comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kevinshea8493 The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The guidance and knowledge with which Allah has sent me are like abundant rain which fell on a land. A fertile part of it absorbed the water and brought forth profuse herbage and pasture; and solid ground patches which retained the water by which Allah has benefited people, who drank from it, irrigated their crops and sowed their seeds; and another sandy plane which could neither retain the water nor produce herbage. Such is the similitude of the person who becomes well-versed in the religion of Allah and receives benefit from the Message entrusted to me by Allah, so he himself has learned and taught it to others; such is also the similitude of the person who has stubbornly and ignorantly rejected Allah's Guidance with which I have been sent."
Enjoyed the upload. I must say that Black Jesus Minister is one of the most confused individuals I've seen in regards to engaging in debates, with his fusion of Judaism, Christianity and Islam and his seemingly distorted practice of the three distinct Abrahamic religions. He states that Jesus was both Divine and created which is a contradiction in terms; Divinity cannot be created by its very essence and nature. Some very good arguments were put forward here for the existence of a creator, which an agnostic or atheist would find extremely;y difficult to argue against. Finally, it's nice to know that Amir Khan has got another career to fall back on once he finally hangs his gloves up and retires from the ring (Sharif!).
1:30:48 Stupid logic 🤣 Did I just hear that, Hamza? Apus usually hides behind the camera and crawls around all alone. Khalil, by the way It's my first time seeing you, and you demolished him 😎
so who found Noah's Ark at mount Ararat???? btw they fella who found Noah Ark surely will be more popular than Lord Carnavorn who found Pharaoh's tomb.
I know about this subject actually. No archaeologist or scientist has confirmed anything. This is all speculation on behalf of the Evangelicals. And, the reason the govt of Turkey set up a booth of some sort near the area is because these Evangelicals keep going there , so they figured they might as well make some money out of these fools by offering tours of the area, food, etc.
Saw the Ark videos years ago and it was dismissed by most archeologist. The videos fell under conspiracy-documentaries-aliens-weird stuff-flat earth, the region of random YT videos that people usually stumbled by accident. It was just like the Shroud of Turin "findings".
I understand the point of not entertainment Red herring "arguments" from the lame question/statements of Bjm/Apus/Rob/Ray (disingenuous mentality) but I tell you, I learnt something new from the answers from the panel, Alhamdulillah. Like at speakers corner, no matter how stupid the argument is, the answer will be addressing the viewers to gain an insight to the mindset of Ignorance and what is factual defining truth from falsehood. If you removed the waffle, the lame question/statement would taken 1 minute, the answers explained is a couple of minutes, done.
Beautiful! Beautiful! Sublimely Beautiful! My brothers youll did an absolutely beautiful job in exposing Apostate Prophet as a complete ignominious blabber. It was so amazing hearing you'll do it so easily, my heart was filled with joy that Allah (SWT) made it happen so beautifully through your efforts
@13:04: Hold-up, George really just said that the holy spirit is God's daughter.... WHAT?!?! I've heard a lot of fruitloop claims from our fellow Christian brethren, but I think this may be the most outlandish thing that I've heard Christians say so far
i was shocked too hahaha also because the panelists werent shocked as i was. but thatَ must mean that they have heard this nonsense before. i thought i heard all the crazy Christian interpretaties...
Brother Asadullah was spot on about APUS. He is s con artist, so should not be entertained from the first instance he begins his conversation with no foundation.
I thought about brother Asadullah's approach for a while and respectfully disagree to his idea. First of all, Ap's audience is as thick as Ap is. Ap doesnt even understand what's fallacious arguement and what not and u can imagine how his followers would be. So if they just dismiss him on that basis Ap will be so glad to go back to his channel and give his faulty, fabricated interpretation to the story the way he likes and then say, "Muslims were scared to engage with me on this topic". Only the educated and trained one's will understand brother Asadullah's approach but the reality is in Ap's audience u will hardly find one of them. Therefore people like AP only wishes such to happen so that they can bank it.
Also by keeping him here on the stream for an hour our brothers at least reached 400 of his followers. At least these 400 people had an opportunity to hear the truth and from Islamic perspective. Otherwise AP will just make up staff and speak like Rob for hours in his channel and none of his audience will hav a chance to know the truth from a valid source. Arena normally reaches maximum of 1600 at peak of livestream but on this stream while AP was on we saw more than 2200 people watching. So that says, he carried 600 people with him whom he is deceiving. Who knows may be 10 out of them will be interested to listen to Islamic perspective and check out other videos, may be they will change their view. But if he was kicked out immidiately then brothers wudnt hav reached his audience. We have nothing to loose its just win win here. What will people like AP and Rob do when all the big Media and news channels are doing the same thing for centuries. When i see them only one ayat comes to my mind which is, "they plan and Allah plans, verily Allah is the best of planners".
Ridvan will have dark nightmares for a whole week + anxiety issues.
It's your fault Khalil.
He will regret coming to this stream for a whole if not forever😱
@@halalpolice23 Sorry to tell you my sister, but this guy has no morals, he just wants some more views. He has no shame or honor, so I'm sure he'll be back, just like David Wood keeps coming back to Shaykh Uthman.
This person and his likes have no shame nor any morals .. i would actually respect him if he have dark nightmares and anxiety issues after getting intellectually destroyed, at least it may show how human he is and that he have honour .. but the problem he won't, he will continue in his lies and stupidity.
With *NAME A PLACE* swirling around in his dream 🤣🤣
@@branis96 agree
Apus references: “trust me bro” and “I believe BLANK is true, therefore BLANK is true.”
The Muslims logic:
Do you have proof that there is no proof for our claim?
Do you have proof it is impossible?---> it is certain
...........
@@gusjeazer I've never heard a Muslim say that in my life lol.
@@gusjeazer Muslim argument: The books ( Jewish and Christian books) that you claim don’t mention Mecca( which they do by the way) are unreliable. So even if they did mention it, it wouldn’t matter because they are unreliable.
Another argument is, just because something isn’t mentioned or doesn’t have proof of its “importance” in previous religions doesn’t mean it’s not from One true God.
If we take his fallacious argument than anything that Paul came up with pertaining to trinity is false because it wasn’t even hinted at in the older scriptures.
Your argument on why Muslims don’t have an argument: I am going to assume this is what Muslims are arguing, and make other believe it without evidence because I assumed it to be.
Now go back and reflect and please listen to the whole conversation rationally.
@@gusjeazer you can’t understand the panelists or what? They clearly said that the Bible has no bearing on their faith. Khalil only entertained the point because he wanted to show that it doesn’t necessarily mean that Mecca isn’t Becca because there are opinions which say this. You guys are literal examples of ingenuity, exactly why asadullah didn’t entertain ap. Is because it was a strawman, and furthering would make it seem like ap had an argument to ignorant or disingenuous people, like you.
@@abd_md they don't get to decide what Islam is. The Quran, and the Hadith are Islam, not their opinion.
They reject the bible, but lay claim to the characters and history of the bible. They just reject whatever doesn't suit them, which is just about everything.
Muhammad clearly "hijacked" Christianity and Judaism. He actually said multiple times, both recorded in Hadith and Quran, that the bible is scripture, that Christians should test Islam with their bible (ie there would be no contradiction between Islam and the bible, well that was a lie), that whoever does not read and believe the bible, is no better than those that rebel, that the ENTIRE word of God, including the bible, is divinely protected.
Only many many centuries later, when some Muslims actually started to read the bible, did they start to understand that Islam does contradict the bible completely. So easy solution: the bible must be falsified, changed etc. Even though Muhammad said it was impossible, but whatever. Nothing new, you reject your own scripture all the time, Hadith and reinterpretation of Quran verses.
This myth that the bible was falsified, was deeply ingrained in Muslim thought.
Of course, without actually looking at any historical evidence. We know exactly what texts Muhammad was referring to, because we have gospels predating Muhammad by centuries, we have many texts of Christians, written during or before the time of Muhammad, all these confirm the gospel we have today.
Documents like the dead sea scrolls, confirm that Muhammad refered to the same old testament we have today.
Rob makes me raise my hands to Allah and thank him that I was born with a brain and most importantly, a Muslim.
😂😂😂😂🤝🏽
yes i was thinking the same but he has a brain he doesnt have a sincere heart
All praise is to allah Lord of the worlds the creator of the heavens and the Earth and all the worlds There is no such thing as a apologetic Muslim A orthodox Muslim A Muslim is true thru and through there is nothing to apologize jazz for rewardship the creator Ever more Do good works give charity pray and prostrate to the Lord Not describing partners That is your salvation Worshipping other than the Lord almighty unlock the same Lord almighty the messiah prayed to is your destruction So regroup Is collaborate And open your heart Well down to your creator and prostrate And the Lord will save you the Lord almighty allah and take you into the light and out of the dark is a simple sum here this oz rial by Lord is one The messiah was only sent for the lost chief of Israel and no one Can't dispute that It's in the scriptures New and old and in the final Testament The whole liquor on Denound satan and you will know The sweetness of faith with action And prostrating to your creator And receiving the mercy and blessings From your head to your toe This is the way the truth in the light no man comes upon the Lord almighty unless his heart is true for the Lord almighty does not accept from idle worship paganism satanism or any other
Or any other delete sect That is the rule And those who are disobedient Unless you repent Sincerely You will know that forever will be a fool For satan's whispers and is demon army That is destroying Bethlehem In the birthplace of each and every messenger in Palestine And they will be held accountable And they will feel the wrath of the Lord almighty And for them there will be no reprieve There will be only the torment they unleashed on Palestine to be unleashed on them forever and the healthier and this is what their hearts sired Send but true
This confirms the fact; if there are 3 Christians, you will find 4 Christianity.
And all nonsensical
SUBHAN'ALLAH!
Sunni, shia, ahmadyija, Quranists, Suffi , Mutazillah, Ibadi- just to mention some of the many schismatic sects of islam. Edit: there are tens of thousands sects of christianity. All as stupid as all the Islamic sects.
Sheikh Uthman ibn Farooq addresses Apuss' doubt in the Seerah lectures on the MasjidRibat channel.
@@mzmi1422 UGH yes I was SCREAMING it to my wheel and dashboard while stuck in traffic listening to that part lol. Also the story of Abraha building Qilais and what led him to attacking the Kaaba. Or even before that with the whole Abyssinian Civil War between Abraha and the other general in Yemen. There is historical evidence to those events too.
jazakAllaahu khoir
Link?
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated what is one of the evidences this guy gives for that claim?
0:19 Entrance of Hamza
1:02 Entrance of Khalil
1:27 Entrance of Yusuf Ponders
1:39 Entrance of Asadullah Ali
4:30, 46:24 Apostate Prophet [Atheist living in Germany]
7:21 BlackJesusMinister [Real Name: George LeBlanc][Christian living in Houston, Texas, USA]
1:52:37 Dylance [Atheist]
2:09:05 Entrance of Sharif Abu Laith
2:58:58 Sarah [Muslimah]
3:01:06, 3:30:56 Joshua Edwards [Not Known]
3:05:46 Rob MTT [Christian from UK]
3:15:14 King [Not Known]
3:15:39, 3:36:10 Mehmet [Muslim from Turkey]
3:16:44 Why So Religious [Atheist]
3:34:18 ALLAHUAKBAR [Muslim]
3:36:24 Ahmed Adil [Muslim]
3:37:15 Abdul Qader [Muslim]
I thought Apuss was loving in the US?
@@primeminister1040 may be. but as far as i know, he lives in germany. but i may be wrong.
Thank you man, may Allah bless your heart
Actually Apuss lives in US.
Its so refreshing to have brother Sharif and brother Khalil. Thank you brothers for ur appearance to make the stream a special one. Brother Asadullah and brother yusuf ponders is as usual Brilliant.
This was a nice stream Alhamdulillah
APus "no, you're wrong"
Khalil "why"
APus "I don't know"
*_Pathetic to watch Appus getting slaughtered._*
InshAllah
Mr Anxiety will be alright and will not have another you know what .....
inshAllah 👍💖💖💖
@David Isa cope
@@agadirand4four347 Cultural "Christians" are reasonable. They do not need religion any more, though retain some rituals. Wish Islam to follow.
@@agadirand4four347 I do not care about my death. I care about my life. Afterlife can be a lure for you. I do not need afterlife, I want to spend my life on my own terms, not dictated by priests or stupid scriptures.
@@awoj51 do as you like mate that’s why you have free will, but you will be held accountable for how you used it.
Khalil and Sharif were amazing additions today I haven't seen them before here. I hope they come back again in future Arenas.
Thank you all brothers.
@@dtz1000 I agree he was the only one that kept his composure
Guys Khalil’s channel is call KALAMoLOGY
@@dtz1000 Legend has it..Apostate forProfit still havent left Islam..
@@shiroboo525 at least he hasn't stopped clinging to Islam.
You trying to say humza is ish ?
Ridvan: The whole Islamic center of worship is in the wrong place.
Muslims: Where it is then?
Ridvan: I don’t know, but I can tell with absolute certainty that the Islamic center of worship is in the wrong place.
And this guy is supposed to be a serious critic of Islam.
Rob MTT: (Have problems with the Ruqyah) No Christians would do Incantation!
Me: Yeah, coz these exorcisms Christians do are just figments of our imagination.
Incantation is permissible as long as it doesnt contain words of shirk.If one read the hadiths before and after that hadith,he will come to know the real understanding of that hadith.
You don’t have to be an expert to notice that Islam is an embarrassment to the intellect if Islam is investigated from a neutral standpoint
@@chriskoch4498 yes let me make an emotional point with nothing to back it up, on a video where every argument was refuted. Good job man
Ignore the troll guys.
You misunderstood his argument.
The claim that Abraham built the kaaba part of both the other abrahamic faiths canon is completely devoid of supported evidence outside of Islam.
They were literally grasping at straws from the bible while ridiculing the bible for its falsehoods in the same debate.
It was painful to watch for people who actually understand what Ridvan was saying.
Completly trying to sidestep the claims like your comment illustrates seems to be the only defense left for Muslims
Rob needs an Oscar for the most dramatic narrating of Hadiths. I think he gave up too early on that acting career.
How dare you!
🤣🤣🤣
😂
Lmao, I couldn’t hold my laugh at 3:08:20, you can’t really be more dramatic then that lol…
Who is Rob? Is it Ridvan?
Maybe voice acting
Apuss will forever regret about coming to this stream💀
No he won't. He only came here because he needed more money. And he got it 😂
Guys Khalil channel is call KALAMoLOGY
@@burhanahmad2825 "😂"
The cringe that emoji single-handedly holds is unimaginable. You're a hindu aren't you? Those guys spam TH-cam comment sections with that emoji.
@@cat-uq5hw ?
Legends are Apuss cried himself to sleep that night! 😂
Legends tell Allah exists.
I really do like how br. Yusuf talks to his interlocuters, it really stands out to me, he's always so collected and lucid
(not saying the others arent, just that it really stands out with Yusuf)
Regarding Apus, I agree with Brother Asadullah for not entertaining such nonsensical questions, however, I loved hearing the explanation given by Brother Khalil, as it was so precise and spot on that Masha'Allah that it debunked every such claim out there about Mekkah not being Becca, and it armored us muslims (the ones that don't have the knowledge to the extent of these brothers) against such people making claims and questioning us. Allah Akbar!
Sidestepping the point made by Ridvan was the only defense left.
There is no evidence outside of Islam for the Kaaba being built by Abraham and his son.
Both discrediting the bible and then trying to make something very remotely vague fit with the description of Mecca and then just shouting over him shows who won this debate.
Ridvan kept his composure ! Bravo
@@SkullTrail97775 absence of evidence is not... (complete the sentence)
@@firdhaus so I guess you also believe in unicorns gnomes djins and flying horses...
Absence of evidence is not
(complete the sentence)
@@SkullTrail97775 Seriously? Did we just watch the same debate? lmao. Khalil not only annihilated Ridvan's arguments, but stomped on his head, took a victory lap, partied, came back and sucker punched him in the state of utter unconsciousness! lmao. But I'll indulge you still: Your argument is seriously flawed and here's why: If you study the history of the Makkah even before the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), you'd realize that the pagans of Makkah considered KAABA to be a "sacred" place through their forefathers for thousands of years. Who are the Arabs again? Let me hear you say it! Children of KEDAR, the son of Ishmael (pbuh). So why would you have someone else record their history of Arabs, Kaaba or Ishmael and Kedar? Would you expect the Chinese, Romans, Jews, or Indians to record the history of the traditions of Arabs? The Jews were interested in recording their own traditions. For the traditions of Chinese, would you refer to the Indians? The fact is that after the settlement of Kedar (Arabs), the Bible doesn't speak much about what happened to these people, and how did they turn into pagans if their forefathers weren't, and what was sacred to them and why, because the Bible focuses more on the traditions of Jews.
And regarding you commenting on them not providing enough evidence and discrediting the Bible...well, I think Khalil did a fantastic job at providing not just one piece of evidence, but like 5 or 6, and Ridvan couldn't even provide ONE! Couldn't even offer one alternate place to the valley of BECCA! Couldn't explain as to why he thinks Kaaba was considered sacred by the pagans of Mekkah for thousands of years and how they turned into pagans if their forefathers were monotheists.
@@fawadkhan1884 I guess the standard of evidence for religious people is different.
If the object is only to reinforce your beliefs you will grasp at straws and take a victory lap while doing it
AP made a very bold claim but failed to provide ZERO evidence, proof, criteria, or any sort of Clue or reference outside BIBLE. He looked like a fool in Arena AP doesn't come without preparation. Khalil destroyed you with the Bible, Asad destroyed you outside the Bible, Yusuf destroyed you logically and Hamza destroyed you technically
Ahh you do know that you cant destroy anyone with the bible if you are Muslim because YOU DONT BELIVE IN THE BIBLE
I hope Mr Anxiety gets better inshAllah everything will be okay peace 💙
He doesn't had to prove his claim he just questioned they couldn't answer him and you guys are saying he got roasted
@@iluvucuzjesus5347 Bible is Mytho-History according to WLC. Muslims do not have to believe in totality. AP failed to name any temple outside Jerusalem when he brought Jews and Christian tradition as reference for his claim.
@@Shelby._ai He brought his referernce from Jewsish history about four temples build by Abraham P outside Jerusalem but failed to provide Name and Location and not to admit Kaba where Abraham P and his wife Hagar R settled with his son Ismael P
I liked khalil on this show, saw him for the first time.
Gute Arbeit 👍
We don't need to talk about the others, they were great as always.
His YT channel is amazing too 👍
He didn't make any sense for me.
@@nutzhazel whats his yourube?
@@gainzbreh6834 ??
Guys Khalil’s channel is call KALAMoLOGY
Literally no reason to bring Anxiety Prostate into any discussion, he does exactly the same thing in every conversation he is part of. Completely ignores an entire, detailed, reasoned, referenced refutation of his false-premise argument and demands that everyone simply agree that his argument is correct despite his complete inability to give any reason for anyone to accept it. He has less of a grasp on reality, reason, logic and the way a conversation works than a three-year old child.
May Allah make his anxiety attack not so bad this time Ameen
i don’t want to be him on the judges day
@Martin Ramsbottom nah, i’m don’t know enough to debate moron like you, how bout you go to the panel and prove yourself
@Martin Ramsbottom but anyway i`m really curios what kind of argument you wanted to present, may i know?
@Martin Ramsbottom not really interested, because i don`t really have the time nor knowledge to fact check historical evidence and also many historical record has been proven many time to be bias, so i can`t really bother to check them, if you have any evidence aside from historical maybe i can look into it further.
"blackjesus" , uses a very good "debating"technique , where he uses raising his voice to silence the other "debater" (who is in turn trying to answer the mistakes made by "blackjesus" or point them out) , automatically the other debater feels silenced and the audience views black jesus as a victor as he will waffle on .
It was later when I realised it was all waffle
@Martin Ramsbottom
Are you going to troll under every single comment now?
@Martin Ramsbottom
How do you know who MY teacher is?
@Martin Ramsbottom Who cares about the Bibles...
He would do great as a tag team partner with Hatun at SC altho they will start shouting at each other.
I love how Rob totally ignores the answers of the brothers and just keeps repeating his argument as if it wasn't already refuted.
He probably rehearses his act for two weeks non stop and as soon as he comes on stream he wants to impress himself again and again, each time he repeats d act he probably thinks each time he is taking his act to a whole new level. The guy is in love wiv himself.....
Humbled himself today a little bit after Brother Ijaz's warning, didnt mock d salam to begin with and didnt start with his best tag line, " I just found a very distubing hadeeth"🤣🤣🤣🤣
He is a true entertainer, no clown makes me laugh the way he does, dnt know is dat a compliment for him or a sarcasm lol😆
That was also his trademark lol
Incantation is permissible as long as it doesnt contain words of shirk.If one read the hadiths before and after that hadith,he will come to know the real understanding of that hadith.
Rob is Rob what can u do 🤦🏼♂️
He’s a troll, just on the arena to provide entertainment, can’t take his points seriously
deniel haqqiqajou debated him for 4 hours. He had a panic attack do to over welling evidence😂 brought forth
@@mzmi1422 due to overwhelming*
Interviewed* 😅not debate
Co co corrective behaviour 🤣
@@taimur74 How can anyone ever say that that's an adequate punishment for a rapist? I know the incident is all over now but it still baffles after these years how anyone in their right mind can say that - regardless if one is Muslim or not.
Masyaallah One of the Best Arena Panelist, Good for Atheist and Philosophy Panel and Syekh Uthman, Farid, Mansur for the heavier Religion Matter and Hadith, Hope brother Khalil and Sharif come again
So, Apus is saying why isn't the kaba in the Bible when KNOWINGLY the Bible itself has A LOT of information changed and MISSING, APUS still uses it as a criteria. Why if it did say it in the Bible but they removed it as it would collapse their religious foundation.
He’d use a Harry Potter book if he thought it went against Islam
Mr Anxiety will use his own Anxiety attacks against islam !
@@fedesetrtatio1 this has to be the stupidest comment I've read all day XD You really can't make this stuff up looool
@@fedesetrtatio1 At the beginning he literally and I quote says: 'Jews and Christians didn't know what a Kaaba was until Islam came forth...' Khalil's response is in reference to those claims...That's why Khalil is using the Bible to refute his premise to show that he's wrong in making that claim. We don't care whether it's in the bible or not as Hamza says multiple times. AP makes multiple references to the Kaaba not being part of Abrahamic faiths (implying it isn't in their sources/bible) even at 50:19 he explicitly mentions Abrahamic biblical scriptures... We don't care if it's any other source. The bible has proven time and time again to not be a reliable source of information. My laughing was mostly towards the end of your sentence talking about without the bible the Quran wouldn't have this and that XD
I envy Apuss, he's gotta an unlimited supply of shame tolerance XD
Ridvan was in khalils pockets the whole time
What you mean by that?
@@homtanks7259 it means he owned him
@@Servant_0f_Allah. true
Mr Anxiety might call the cops on our brothers. Mr Anxiety got Karen traits 😨.Inshallah let's make dua that everything will be okay, dare I even say ...yes I hope even Mr Anxiety is okay too
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated damn yours still here? I see you've upgraded a bit and added some emojis to ur BS. Good job bud. Heres a cookie.
Yusuf summarized the points in the Apuss segment perfectly MashaAllah
Rumour has it that Apus seeks his arguments from Rob, many troubling hadeeefs.
lol :)
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@@kevinshea8493 No. They entertained his fallacious arguments and then used his own source to refute his point, but keep trying. "Can you hear me?" "hello?" "hello, can you hear me?" "I've read many hadeefs.."
This verse refutes Ray's argument :
He is the One who knows the unseen (ghayb), and He reveals His unseen (ghayb) to no one (72.26), except to the messenger He is pleased with, so He sends guards before of him and behind him (72.27) so that He knows that they (the messengers) have delivered the messages of their Lord
Ray didnt even have an arguement, what to refute lol. Poor guy thought/assumed/misunderstood the verse say, prophet Mohammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam doesnt have the knowledge of unseen, thats what he thought and as the ahadith says, prophet shared a lot of unseens Ray thought here is discrepancy, here is the long sought contradiction he discovered but sadly poor comprehension of his own language😩😞
@@mdabulkhair2237 Well the Prophet doesn’t have the full knowledge of the Unseen.
@@mdabulkhair2237 You are following a man....
@@havanapablo2363 Yes Muhammad Saws👍🏼
@@mdabulkhair2237 yes I know that he didn't have an actual argument but as soon as he made his claim, I thought of that verse, that's why I shared it.
1hr 15mins
A.P. refuted himself.
Abraham and Ishmael we're not sent for the "entire world", Prophet Muhammad Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam was.
Rob always makes the stream hilarious. Apuss came with zero evidence as usual. Great stream and jzjklhr brothers.
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@@fedesetrtatio1 did you actually watched the stream, Khalil gave like six reasons while Apuss just said Khalil is wrong but he provided zero evidence for any alternatives.
@@fedesetrtatio1 if I have to give you the reasons then clearly you have not watched the video
@@fedesetrtatio1prophet David went outside jarusalem to the South which includes the Arabian peninsula, in a desert, on a valley, where there is a spring (zam zam) the place is called beca, where there is a house of God, people go there for pilgrimage, and ram sacrifice is offered to comomorate the saving of Ibrahim son, Ismail. All this Info is in the old testament and it fits Mecca perfectly. Do you have any alternatives ?
@@fedesetrtatio1 Apuss claimed that their is no reference of Mecca in the old testament, clearly he was wrong
The look of utter disgust on everyone’s face when Apussy showed up made me 😂
I love how much comes out of brother Sharif who obviously is in chilling mode. How easy it is to speak the truth is amazing! Big ups brothers
Seeing Anxiety Prostrate get humiliated makes my day 😂
Mine too 😂
Anxiety prostate 😂😂
😂😂😂
Next arena Insha’Allah, so excited! Amazing 🤩 line up Masha’Allah and tonight’s was amazing 🤩 too!! May Allah bless you all.
We had an wonderfully veeeeeery disturbing Hadeeth today... but u missed it live lol
@@mdabulkhair2237 😂😂🤣
@@Tislyfe Rob is passively teaching me Hadith😆. He will introduce a hadeeth and give d wildest, craziest, concocted interpretation and then the panelists will give proper interpretation. This way d hadeeth and the lesson from it sticks to d memory for long time. If we just take book and read it doesnt stay in mind and heart but Rob is wonderful a great teacher🤣
@@mdabulkhair2237 Wallahi that is exactly what I told my kids! These haters come with their accusations and they help me understand the religion of truth even further!! 😂😂😂Alhamdolilah
love this channel. thank you
Bro Ridwan is kind of silly. Does not agree with Christianity, brings it to a debate
Does not agree with Mecca being the place spoken about in scripture... offers no alternative.
........ how do you have a conversation to begin with
All Abrahamic religions are equal in their supernatural claims that have zero evidence what is not to understand ?
The issue seemed to be that the others didn’t comprehend that an absence of evidence can absolutely be evidence of absence. This is very basic and relying on “well there’s absolutely zero supporting evidence where we would expect to see some but so what?”… is a very poor position to be placed in.
1:49:12 Asadullah said exactly what's killing me inside!
Don't entertain his nonsense cause it's fallacious to being with!
His minions will think that he has a point cause there's a conversation taking place!
Rob is a guy that would argue the most useless of things which aren't even what he thinks they are!
Ray * if i repeat my question enough, maybe that will convince them*
The guy can't admit his own name is not Ray !
Come on Ppl
Absolutely loved khalil mashaAllah!
Imagine being a first timer on a new stream and talking to some 1 for the first time and actually ending up adding a new meme to his stupidity we first had "its irrelavent" then the whole thing with the pen and now "name a place" 😂😂
Khalil to Apus: send me location
Good one
Guys Khalil’s channel is call KALAMoLOGY
if the Christian or Jewish scholar agree to all Muslim's claims, they would be muslim, not?
Exactly I don't know what the hell he was smoking clearly his brain is dead🥴🥴
One of my favourite Arenas in a long time, the panelists were amazing
Mr Irrelevant having nightmares about pens.
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And an unknown place that is a center of worship. 🤣
Yes he seems to be really avoiding debates even with people who shout over him while he keeps his composure
@@SkullTrail97775 you keep saying "he kept his composure" as if it validates his baseless, ignorant arguments. Let him keep his composure all he likes, it means nothing when your points are wrong and you have nothing to offer.
@@SkullTrail97775
That doesn't make his nonesensical "arguments" true. They still remain nosense
Khalil and sharif are great addition well done ✅
Its far more enjoyable listening to atheist/agnostic discussions with the brothers as its always far more on an intellectual level. I really liked dylance !! He is, at least open minded, actually listening, and a really nice person. He is sincere and not coming on with an ego They actually had a proper conversation with him
The arena is exactly for people like him.
People who come on not knowing logic always look silly because these brothers are really smart and know their stuff. A real force to reckon with. I love how hamza just chops up any waffling...it's so good.
@@dtz1000 emotional arguments..righttt..
@@dtz1000 can you tell someone who is drunk that he is normal? sure you will say he is drunk righT?
Lovely awesome to see Dr. Asadullah Ali and his blessed son while we're arguing about the Creator and the creation, yet we are given this beautiful and visible evidence billions of of times across the world. Let's be honest, grateful and sincere to our Maker, let's praise Him and seek help from anything or anyone except Him as long as long we live. Al Hamdu li'llahi 🙏
I never ever thought I’d see the apuss have the guts to ya enter the arena 🤣🤣 came and got destroyed
Destroyed how ? >... He got kicked of the show and there basically was no counterargument to the claim that the Kaaba as a place built by Abraham is never mentioned until Islam came along.
Also the pagan polytheistic rituals were kept ...
No amount of shrieking and shouting will add to a counterargument
@@SkullTrail97775 you must be deaf.
@@tachikoma7757 I must lack the religious programming that bypasses logic when it is in conflict with reality
@@SkullTrail97775 oh yeah.. according to your "logic", your smartphone came out of a sandbox after a billion of years.
@@tachikoma7757 so according to you anything you can't explain can be answered with God did it ...
Saves you from thinking a lot ... and explains a lot about religion as well
Brother Khalil is a perfect addition to the arena 👍. Completely on 🔥
@@dtz1000
No ad hominem attacks were thrown. Stop lying 🤥
Its was a great stream Alhamdulillah 💖💖💖
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated
I bet you also reject all of history then too
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated
You didn’t answer my question. Do you also reject all of history too?
Why don’t you give me a quranic passage or Hadith that can demonstrate that the prophet (saw) was copying from other sources
If you’re going to give a Hadith it’s has to be:
1. Mutawatir
2.the prophet explicitly saying he copied other sources
3.the biography of all the narrators
4. Proof of their honesty and righteousness
5. Contemporaries of the narrators who can attest to their honesty and righteousness
6.I want biographies of the contemporaries as well
@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated
Now you’re running away from me, can you answer my two questions?
1. Do you reject all of history?
2. Give me evidence that the prophet (saw) copied from other sources via a quranic text or Hadith (with the criteria I have above)
Brother Khalil is a gem for this ummah
Omg first time hearing Khalil and he absolutely destroyed that dishonest AP. Absolute beast mode!!! The way he linked Mecca to Bible completely knocked him out.
Dylance was really a gentleman. Two more sessions and he will be praying ASR jama’ah.
Apuss : you're wrong
Me : why?
Apuss : idk
Brother Khalil mashaallah,I learned a lot from you in this amazing session.
Khalil needs to come on more regularly now. First time I seen him. Brothers knowledge is amazing.
We've got to make a compilation video of all the times Rob has come on and gotten his dumb arguments smashed. That should be quite entertaining!
Ha ha ha ha Rob is a pure comedy act. He should have been in theatre to do standup act. This guy he himself knows how big of a clown he is. The more he is doing this act the more he is revealing himself to his audience. Its better to give him floor, cause oneday his audience will realize that this guy was just making them fool all along d way. If anyone hears him for first time or second time they will be victim of his drama but if they follow him regularly they will soon find the truth and know his true face.
Good Idea.
Me to I thought of that to that would be hilarious 😂
@@mdabulkhair2237 it's amazing how religious programming makes you overlook the fact that they completely failed to give an answer to the argument AP presented.
Sidestepping and shrieking seems to be the way to win.
At least AP refrained from doing that or this would have been really painful to watch
@@SkullTrail97775 we were talking about Rob in Maro Maro's comment. Why do u think ur AP is relevant here why do u think im responsible to answer ur AP question. Your own comment is full of assumptions and seems like u r brainwashed to me. Cause u dnt know my background and concluded about me that im programmed by religion.
Thanks for ur comment anyway and just to let you know ur comment here was just as irrelevant as AP is.
Apuss: "Why don't jews bow to Kabah?? Why are geographical coordinates of mecca not mentioned in their scripture.??"
Because Apuss if they did that they would literally be called Muslims and not jews. They changed their scriptures, deviated from their ways and necessitated the need to send another prophet to bring them back on course. And Becca is literally mentioned in their scripture.
Apuss: "Becca is a vague reference, that place could be anywhere in the world. Islam is false"
Dear Apuss Becca fits the criteria really well for Mecca. Even their names are so similar. How are you coming to the conclusion that its a vague reference ?? Do you have any other place that fits the criteria for becca?
Apuss: "I don't know. But conclusion is Islam is false and made up religion otherwise why don't 99% jews agree with you that Becca is Mecca?"
Ok Apuss, one more time, as an ex-Muslim atheist you already know our POV is that their scriptures got more and more corrupted over time, there was information that was either changed or omitted or forgotten. People reading from a corrupted source will never come to the conclusion that Becca is Mecca because that would literally mean they would have to become Muslims. In fact, there are many Jewish Rabbis who conceded this and literally converted to Islam, But you won't even take their word for it as you think it's biased.
So dear Apuss please tell me that if as an atheist you yourself don't believe in the accuracy or preservation of their scriptures. So then what is even the point of discussing what they believe or don't believe? How is their beliefs, which both of us agree is based on corrupted sources, supposed to disprove Islam anyway??
Apuss: You are insulting my intelligence and implying that I'm stupid.
Ok, Apuss have a nice day. NEXT!
Uhh, what is Becca? I am a muslim and don't know, please teach me
@@TechNaf it's in the Quran. It's another name for Mecca. Both Becca Becca Mecca are mentioned in the Quran.
@@TechNaf checkout free Quran education for the answer to this
@@fedesetrtatio1 nice copy pasting 🤣
@@fedesetrtatio1 ooh we all tremble before your intellectual superiority o follower of Apus .. please don’t destroy us Muslims with your knowledge 🤣
Mashallah
Brother Khalil was a great addition.
If they agree beca is Mecca it would prove Islam is the truth
When Hamza said to Apuss "prove it" I rofled xD.
I could literally hear Apuss' anxious breathing shaking through his microphone Ahah
I love to see sign of sujud in your face guys. May Allah always bless all of you, amiiiennn....
It was very good live stream Maasha Allah
2 Americans and 2 Brits - Tackling Discourse & Giving Dawah
Alhamdulillah.
Maybe in the future we can get:
1 Canadian, 1 Aussie, 1 European, 1 Asian, 1 African, 1 Indonesian, 1 Middle Eastern:)
ALLAH provides
When APUS could not name an alternative place to Makkah after Khalil's explanation, he had lost. He should have been told to come back again when he could do so.
AP’s argument was so desperate. I can’t believe he actually has fans. And they’re not high IQ fans. That’s for sure. Their hearts are just full of hate. But they won’t admit it.
How was it desperate? Explain please
Funny, i was thinking the same thing for the 4 children above.
@@Ceadman Because he’s a self proclaimed atheist, trying to disprove Islam using the supposed insignificance of Mecca to other Abrahamic faiths. It makes no sense for an atheist to be using that line of argumentation. It should be irrelevant to him if the Kaaba is significant to other abrahamic faiths or not because he himself doesn’t believe that those abrahamic faiths are true, let alone that they have some kind of a monopoly on the truth. Having said that, the guys on the panel let him run with it for the sake of the discussion, which exposed the second layer of desperation in his argument which was that he completely failed to actually show that it was insignificant to these abrahamic belief systems because he resorted to a logical fallacy by claiming that the absence of evidence of the significance of Mecca to these Abrahamic faiths is evidence of its insignificance. So not only did he bring forth a nonsensical argument to try and prove that Islam is false, he also failed to substantiate that argument in any way shape or form. Those two points together is all you need to see that it was a desperate attempt.
But it gets worse. When Khalil gave him evidence from the Bible (the scripture that these abrahamic faiths derive their theology and beliefs from) that presents criteria where both David and Isaiah reference a house of God that people performed pilgrimage, located in a place called the valley of Baka, where the saving of Abraham’s first born from sacrifice will be commemorated using animal sacrifice and that Mecca fits all these criteria perfectly, he rejected that without giving a counter claim or refuting the argument. All he said was that no biblical scholar says it’s Mecca, well no biblical scholar says where it is period. He was also provided with a reason as to why that may be the case, because they’ll then have to accept Islam which they probably wouldn’t want to do.
It was a complete and utter failure of an argument and clearly a desperate attempt that makes zero sense for him to be making in the first place given his atheistic world view. If you can’t see how laughable that was, I don’t know what else to tell you.
@@osb7948
Thank you. Very well said. I notice it has become a norm for AP to attack Islam based on a wrong premise.
@@LordXantos i think you are dumb, but look, at the end of the day my opinion is irrelevant
It was going to be great if you joined this stream and educated those "4 children" .. maybe you would have saved them from their "ignorance" right? But you are a coward, so who care about your opinion anyway?
I could listen to brother Khalil all day MashaAllah. Very astute and knowledge in Hebrew,Greek and Arabic.
Asadullah really has a personality. This guy knows to not entertain him. He got credibility because muslims entertained him.
The performance in the program with Ridwan was the lowest you could have done so far.
None of you upheld even the basic rules of discussion.
You are supposed to make "Dawah" and invite people to Islam in the best manner possible according to the Quran in 16:125; 6:108; 20:44; 4:94; 3:61. What kind of presentation was that!? You did not really engage with his arguments at all, nor tried to understand the points he was making. But you kept interrupting and talked OVER him instead WITH him.
You even kicked him out of the program in celebration as if this is childs play.
You guys seem to take "Dawah" for sports and consider it as a match. You could not be further away from the teachings of the Quran. And you wonder why people around the world leave your religion.
What do you expect if you cannot even lead a discussion in a civilised manner.
What a pathetic and shameful display of character!!!
What was his argument 🤔
@@HamzasDen His argument was that despite the fact that the Kaaba was the first House of God established by Abraham and him promoting its principles to the people, there is nothing in Jewish literature at all. Instead of listening and engaging with him, you all suddenly started to jump on the Bible and confuse the actual point he made. Ridwan was not just talking about the Bible, but also jewish literature in general such as Talmud etc. and other sources of cultures in general existing in that time surrounding today's Mecca back then.
You even denied the point that the Kaaba was announced to the people.
Do you actually read your own book?
Surah 2:125. You are supposed to be the "Dawah" Team. Seriously?
Remind me what our response was 🤔
@@buraksari2136 well said!
@@buraksari2136 Why would JEWISH literature emphasize the Arab covenant as part of their own covenant?
That literally makes no sense. And you never even addressed the counter-response I made to this effect. Actually, no one did, because you can't.
JazakumAllah khair bros may Allah grant you success in this life and the hereafter !
اللهم صل وسلم على نبينا محمد !
Asadullah,Ma Sha Allah is super intelligent and eloquent.He should've spoken more.
Brother Hamza I loved the blue sub atomic particle example. So good. Ma Sha Allah. I know you loved it when you read it too. Heheh. Noice!!
B.J was arrogant and ignorant and it was wasting time talking to him.
Never allow him again plz
This is what happens with Christians, each one of them decides to make up their own understanding of the religion, which is why the sects in Christianity keep on growing each year.
Dumb and arrogant that's I would said directly to this thing face.
@@sherlockgnomes8971 They just talked this topic 2 days ago with white brother who revert to Islam in the stream. Check out the latest live stream in EFDAWAH.
And remember Muslim only have 2 sect call Shia and Suni both believe 1 God/Allah SWT, 1 Quran, 1 Prophet-Muhammad pbuh etc.
The only think that divided us is politic. If you knew you will know it. Just go and listen to that stream plz and know the difference before you reply.
Brother Khalil MasaAllah great knowledge. He is not educating the Ridwan but us as well..
I feel so proud that we have brothers like Khalil who just made ridvan apostate look like a fool..
@Martin Ramsbottom 1/
1:26:11 we gave our criteria for why Becca is referring to Mecca
whereas he just makes baseless claims that he can't back up...
Bro his arguments are laughable
@Martin Ramsbottom 2/ why would Apus (an atheist) try to use the bible to justify or deny his (supposed) arguments against Islam... Oh! He'll use anything if it was against Islam because.... you got it, because he's an islamophobic ignorant...
An atheist's only arguable discussion should be about "god's existance" he should deal with this...
Apostate prophet made them look like fools. They asked him to prove that there was no proof for the claims the Quran made. That's just a tactic to shut someone up, and only gullible people can't see what is done.
Mecca is not Becca, because it is not a valley, has no multiple springs, is geographically way too far removed, has a different name, has no connection to Becca and has barely any rain. Both Abraham and David would have to have fled there, and it would have been a place of pilgrimage for the Jews. This means it is stupid to even consider Mecca.
Their arguments are super weak. Like just stupid
The Kabaah is a pagan temple like many others, is formed as the black cube of Saturn, has a stone that is worshipped as was prevalent in Arab paganism, is never mentioned anywhere before Islam became a thing.
Can you prove it is definitely not Meccah?
Can you name a place where Becca is?
Name a well where there could have been a well and a worship place?
Seriously?
@Martin Ramsbottom but when he debate us about such topic...
What is his counter argument?
You got it again
"It's irrelevant" with a bit of laughter ..the guy is a walking uselessness
@Martin Ramsbottom
Biblical scholars: we don’t know where Bekkah is, we have our theories *gives theories and possible locations* but we are not sure
Martin: ItS iN JeRuSalEm
Assadullah spot on he is just wasting time. He is saying the Bible has error but is in his eyes 100% accurate and thé coran is wrong. This group of brothers are amazing Masa Allah.
Before Rob even opens up his mouth you know he's going to come with something really stupid. But at least he never disappoints LOL
🤣
The addition of brother khalil is great! Hope he continues.
Bible is not our only reference we use it just to show ppl who believes in it, but we have enough logical and rational reasons to believe in Quran and sunna… Khalil great response 👍🏽 AP out of depth completely… poor guy may Allah guide him… Farid’s comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kevinshea8493 The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The guidance and knowledge with which Allah has sent me are like abundant rain which fell on a land. A fertile part of it absorbed the water and brought forth profuse herbage and pasture; and solid ground patches which retained the water by which Allah has benefited people, who drank from it, irrigated their crops and sowed their seeds; and another sandy plane which could neither retain the water nor produce herbage. Such is the similitude of the person who becomes well-versed in the religion of Allah and receives benefit from the Message entrusted to me by Allah, so he himself has learned and taught it to others; such is also the similitude of the person who has stubbornly and ignorantly rejected Allah's Guidance with which I have been sent."
Bro Khalil slayed the apostate
What a combination of learned people in a panel.MaShaAllah. May Allah add more knowledge to them.
Khalils TH-cam channel (KALAMoLOGY) is also very well run.. the brother is on his A game. APuss stands no chance.
What is his youtube
Guys Khalil’s channel is call KALAMoLOGY
Yusuf at 1:39 min … sooooooo sharp . Well done couldn’t be clearer
Please don't give apus a platform to speak on, this guy is just looking for content for his youtube channel
Enjoyed the upload. I must say that Black Jesus Minister is one of the most confused individuals I've seen in regards to engaging in debates, with his fusion of Judaism, Christianity and Islam and his seemingly distorted practice of the three distinct Abrahamic religions. He states that Jesus was both Divine and created which is a contradiction in terms; Divinity cannot be created by its very essence and nature. Some very good arguments were put forward here for the existence of a creator, which an agnostic or atheist would find extremely;y difficult to argue against. Finally, it's nice to know that Amir Khan has got another career to fall back on once he finally hangs his gloves up and retires from the ring (Sharif!).
Bro khalil was fantastic
After listening to these brainless non Muslims… my belief in Islam gets more stronger each time… Alhumdulilah for being born with guidance.
1:30:48 Stupid logic 🤣
Did I just hear that, Hamza?
Apus usually hides behind the camera and crawls around all alone. Khalil, by the way It's my first time seeing you, and you demolished him 😎
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
Ameen
so who found Noah's Ark at mount Ararat???? btw they fella who found Noah Ark surely will be more popular than Lord Carnavorn who found Pharaoh's tomb.
That's nonsense.
BJ lied when he said that "all archeologists" agree on that conclusion.
It's just a bunch of evangelists.
His source is youtube videos not even archeologists 😂🤣 the guy bring zero evidence like Apus
I know about this subject actually. No archaeologist or scientist has confirmed anything. This is all speculation on behalf of the Evangelicals. And, the reason the govt of Turkey set up a booth of some sort near the area is because these Evangelicals keep going there , so they figured they might as well make some money out of these fools by offering tours of the area, food, etc.
Saw the Ark videos years ago and it was dismissed by most archeologist. The videos fell under conspiracy-documentaries-aliens-weird stuff-flat earth, the region of random YT videos that people usually stumbled by accident. It was just like the Shroud of Turin "findings".
True
Very useful dialogue on origins of Mecca and its significance in Islam. Khalil 's study needs to be examined.
first time hearing apus talk, quite the clown... he will run around in circles for ever
Apus is the definition of the word disingenuous
I understand the point of not entertainment Red herring "arguments" from the lame question/statements of Bjm/Apus/Rob/Ray (disingenuous mentality) but I tell you, I learnt something new from the answers from the panel, Alhamdulillah.
Like at speakers corner, no matter how stupid the argument is, the answer will be addressing the viewers to gain an insight to the mindset of Ignorance and what is factual defining truth from falsehood.
If you removed the waffle, the lame question/statement would taken 1 minute, the answers explained is a couple of minutes, done.
Beautiful! Beautiful! Sublimely Beautiful! My brothers youll did an absolutely beautiful job in exposing Apostate Prophet as a complete ignominious blabber.
It was so amazing hearing you'll do it so easily, my heart was filled with joy that Allah (SWT) made it happen so beautifully through your efforts
@13:04: Hold-up, George really just said that the holy spirit is God's daughter.... WHAT?!?! I've heard a lot of fruitloop claims from our fellow Christian brethren, but I think this may be the most outlandish thing that I've heard Christians say so far
i was shocked too hahaha
also because the panelists werent shocked as i was. but thatَ must mean that they have heard this nonsense before. i thought i heard all the crazy Christian interpretaties...
@@parentforlife if you're me, but I'm me... does that mean I'm talking to myself?
@@harryosbourne451
Like what Jesus did on the cross...
Salam Alaikum everyone! Please make brother Khalil a regular, what an amazing addition MashAllah.
Brother Asadullah was spot on about APUS. He is s con artist, so should not be entertained from the first instance he begins his conversation with no foundation.
I thought about brother Asadullah's approach for a while and respectfully disagree to his idea.
First of all, Ap's audience is as thick as Ap is. Ap doesnt even understand what's fallacious arguement and what not and u can imagine how his followers would be. So if they just dismiss him on that basis Ap will be so glad to go back to his channel and give his faulty, fabricated interpretation to the story the way he likes and then say, "Muslims were scared to engage with me on this topic". Only the educated and trained one's will understand brother Asadullah's approach but the reality is in Ap's audience u will hardly find one of them. Therefore people like AP only wishes such to happen so that they can bank it.
Also by keeping him here on the stream for an hour our brothers at least reached 400 of his followers. At least these 400 people had an opportunity to hear the truth and from Islamic perspective. Otherwise AP will just make up staff and speak like Rob for hours in his channel and none of his audience will hav a chance to know the truth from a valid source. Arena normally reaches maximum of 1600 at peak of livestream but on this stream while AP was on we saw more than 2200 people watching. So that says, he carried 600 people with him whom he is deceiving. Who knows may be 10 out of them will be interested to listen to Islamic perspective and check out other videos, may be they will change their view. But if he was kicked out immidiately then brothers wudnt hav reached his audience.
We have nothing to loose its just win win here. What will people like AP and Rob do when all the big Media and news channels are doing the same thing for centuries. When i see them only one ayat comes to my mind which is, "they plan and Allah plans, verily Allah is the best of planners".
@@mdabulkhair2237 It would have been better if they had a calmer debate.
"I don't know" and "maybe its true" are the only references Apostate Prophet has managed to provide.
It is True entertaining “false point” is dangerous and waste of time
The story of Surah Al-Fil will destroy the whole argument that AP come with in just a minute
So you are going to use one story in the Qur'an to support another story in the Qur'an. 😂