Just to clarify. I cover “abnormally” short and tall players in this video. There’s been great QB’s who were 6’0” and 6’6”, but I chose to cover the true outliers. Anyways, enjoy!
Best fact about Wilson is that his college o-line at Wisconsin was taller and bigger than most NFL teams. And teams still thought he couldn’t see over them.
Wisconsin university had to have them big lineman as there were putting out NFL RB's every 3 , 4 years Ex. Ron dayne and the one they had either before or after him.. not sure if it was j bettis
@yossarian The first guy that comes to mind for me when it comes to short receivers is Wes Welker but apparently he's 5'9" on the dot so idk if he counts
Flutie called his time in the CFL something like "the most fun I ever had playing football." He LOVED it and Canadians loved him (and still do). I wouldn't call his playing there as a "resort." The CFL has a history of taking NFL rejects who shouldn't have been and turning them into stars (such as HOFer Warren Moon).
The CFL does not have a history of turning ex+NFLers into stars. No no no. What they do is give a platform for these people to show their talents. Like Flutie wasn't afforded in the NFL. But to sit there and say that the CFL has a history of turning these type of players into stars is disingenuous at best! Lol. Pppppppoooooooooooooooppppppp
I’ve seen johnny manziel in person and the fact that some publications actually list him at 6’1 is hysterical. How he gets away with that, I’m not sure. I mean...look at him on the field compared to everyone else. He’s 5’10 in cleats.
I went to the same high school as Doug Flutie, though a few years behind him. I'm 5'10" and the one time I stood next to him, well, 5'9" has seemed generous ever since. 😐
Doug flutie was my favorite qb when I was in HS. He made me believe I could be a QB at 5' 9". I was in marching band but we had great scrimmage games against brass players. I always played QB. My mom wouldn't let me play FB.
I’ve followed you for awhile now and didn’t realize we played against eachother in football back in the day. You put together some of the best videos and always have interesting stories. Keep it up man!
@@quentingraff1510 what year? I remember we were supposed to beat you guys easily my senior year but got crushed instead. I slipped on your field like a million times 😂
@@choiyatlam2552 he is listed at 6 feet...but I've seen him in person and watched him play his entire career. I don't buy for a second that he's a legit 6 foot. Not wanting to start an argument, just giving my .2
I remember seeing a video about a coach talking to Osweiler during tape. Made me realize a big downside to tall QB's: because youre so tall, the defense can see where youre looking
Also a 3 step drop leaves you very far behind the oline basically on an island vulnerable if an edge rusher wins. And extremely critically for any football position. Very tall guys do not take hits well, they fall hard and can take an entire tacklers force into their leg. Smaller guys can crumple into the tackle well. Look at like hunter renfrow or mark Ingram, they’re not particularly bruisers but their size allows them to take hits with less consequence
@@stylicho Brady is always been a scrawny 6’4” Manning in his prime was a jacked 6’5” but now he’s a lot skinnier and has the back problems. Google pics of them and Joe Flacco who is 6’6” you can tell they’re shorter.
@@voiceofreason2674 Mark Ingram like 5'9 220 -225 lbs and considered a bruiser especially early in career after 10 years as rb careers often said to last 3, 4 yrs. had great career even with knee injury. Renfro is 180 max bruiser never could be used in any context with him. His game in my opinion is possessions catcher. Catches pass goes down possibl keep chains moving. He not getting yards after catch unless there is a blown coverage. Randy Moss and Terrell Owens are yards after catch receivers
Love the video! As an economist who researches comparable advantage in markets, I thought I’d give a shot at explaining some of the X-factor differences not discussed here. So there’s some very interesting phenomena happening here. Statistically: So the natural distribution shown is that of quarterbacks who have played in the NCAA rather than that of the entire population. That means that though under 6’ is one standard deviation away from the average while those over 6’5” are also one standard deviation away from the average. However, when looking at the entire population, 6’5” is much further away from the average meaning that there are fewer people to “choose from”. Therefore a quarterback who is 5’9” is much more likely to have more natural talent than a quarterback who is 6’8” as they would have to had to beat out more comparative options. This means they’re more likely to overcome the shortcomings (pun intended) of their height with better talent or skills to succeed. Fundamentally: The challenges of short vs tall quarterbacks are fundamentally different. Short quarterbacks are far more self limiting as their shorter height means that they might struggle to throw over defenders and their shorter arms means that their throwing power could be limited. Both of these are overcome with talent, skill and experience which stated above is statistically in short quarterbacks’ favor. With their boosts in mobility being a positive also to help mitigate these issues. While tall quarterbacks have a fundamentally different issue. Tall quarterbacks can easily see over their defensive line and benefit from longer arms and therefore more throw power. This means that they would be much more suited for a pocket passer roll. As their scrambling abilities are worse than that of short quarterbacks, tall quarterbacks are much more reliant on their offensive lines and therefore require more help from teammates. Though they do benefit from higher top speeds, their acceleration would be much lower, have bigger bodies to catch and are not agile enough to avoid defenders meaning that they need to throw to receivers proportionally more than short quarterbacks as they don’t have the other option. Also, just like you said, they are often boosted in the draft as their height is seen as a comparable advantage which means that they are likely going to a worse team (assuming their picked in the first round). Which means their ensemble cast is probably worse which they need to rely on more to begin with. So you’re essentially putting a worse quarterback that needs to depend on their teammates more on a worse team and expecting them to be great. Though you could argue that height is a comparable advantage and that these people would have never been able to cut it as a quarterback if they were shorter meaning that NFL short quarterbacks would always be more competitive. It could also be that those who would have been all time great tall quarterbacks could have decided to play other sports where their physicality could be better suited like basketball and therefore wouldn’t be in the player pool. Either way, short quarterbacks are likely to be better if they can overcome their faults while tall quarterbacks can’t really ever overcome their issues and just kinda have to deal with them. There are real boundaries where short quarterbacks cannot succeed whatsoever such as a 5’4” quarterback while a quarterback over 7’ may be able to play but would struggle with injuries and other issues more.
If you put Kyler Murray, Steve Smith Sr., Darren Sproles, Antoine Winfield Sr., and Darrell Green on the same NFL team. Takes small ball to a whole different level.
Doug Flutie was amazing, if he was given a longer time to develop, he would have had a great NFL career. The Bills finally have a QB with the same athletic ability and heart. But also the size and strength to go with it, you all know,who I’m talking about.
No - Flutie didn't need any time to develop. Did you watch the video? He WAS fully developed, and still had a great NFL career. It was the idiotic coaches and owners who constantly doubted the man even though he was a proven winner right in front of their faces. The front offices, scouts and coaching staffs are to blame for the shortness of Flutie's NFL tenure. If what you meant was that had they realized this immediately and kept in in the NFL the entire time, then yes, I agree being allowed to develop more would have helped pad his NFL stats and legacy. Maybe going and winning in another league is what developed his skills more so though, we'll never know.
Height discrimination, yo. Such BS is what cost Buffalo their playoff run back then. I mean...what sense does it make to bench the shorter QB - who's doing insanely well for your team and is the reason you're in the playoffs to begin with - in favor of the taller guy who is the biggest liability?
No he didn't get shafted. Dude had a pedestrian average at best career in college football and gets 1 lucky ass hail mary pass completion to win a game at the end of regulation. That's it. Those are the FACTS
@@donovanwilliams29 if he played a full career in the NFL he would have won super bowls. He dominated the CFL then came to the Bills and made them into a playoff team. He was hands down the most exciting player I've ever seen on a football field. He was way above average.
@@joshgarbemusic You are out your rabid ass mind. 1st off flutie not winning no fkn Superbowl 2nd who da hell you think is in CFL. A bunch of players who were not good enough to be in the NFL in the first place. Whether being cut ,undrafted. Those who in demand get to play in NFL. 3rd came to Buffalo and made them a play off team GTFOH stop smoking that shit. The hell you think Jim Kelly (class of 83 greatest QB class ever Elway and Dan Marino etc) did in Buffalo, lead them to 4 straight Superbowl Never was flutie way above average He was mediocre to average at best. STOP IT WITH THE NONSENSE
@@donovanwilliams29 alot of very successful NFL QBs have Pedestrian records in college. A college QB record doesn't mean a whole lot in the NFL especially in the past when college offenses were geared to the run or even option offenses.
Fyi: I've noticed that taller qbs tend to have longer motions than shorter guys. Guess it's a natural thing (Edit) Actually, an exception would be kyler Murray's, who has a longer release than most small guys due to his baseball experience (Second edit) Also, there were/are some mobile taller quarterbacks. Examples: Feleipe Franks, trevor lawrence, cardale jones, and Logan Thomas, at Virginia tech anyways. Guys like Logan Thomas had their quarterback talent wasted after being converted to another position, but did well.
Lol the NFL Throwbacks channel just posted a video exactly like this. They examined Qbs who were 6’6” and taller, and Qbs who were 5’11 and smaller. Excellent work as always KTO. Love the content
Just looked up: 6'6! I realized he was tall, but not that tall. So far it's looking like he might very well win that title...as well as showing potential to simply be an all time great.
I didnt like the bills, but my dad was a fan of flutie when he was in Chicago. He kept up with him in the CFL despite it not being Aired here at all back in the 90s, when he came back, he was PUMPED, and i fell in love with that playstyle and that guy. CFL/Argos lost a treasure the NFL wasnt going to appreciate :(. Shit, hes one reason why the CFL is even recognized down here in the States, similar to how Kurt Warner coming to the NFL made people look at Arena Football a bit more closely(albeit not much more)
@@bigbeauf_____3167 pretty much just soccer (which was still a niche sport played mostly by Irish immigrants). He was a professional baseball and football player, world champion ballet dancer and snooker player, on top of being an Olympic triathlete, and gold medal-winning pentathlete and decathlete, winning gold in the 1912 decathlon while wearing mismatched shoes because his were stolen that day.
This video was Amazing! Got me thinking about how all of these QBs have baseball in their background and the conversation could almost change from Tall and Short to Pitchers and shortstops as QBs.
I was a 5'7" qb in high school and dominated. I decided to pursue track in college since I only got offers from D2 and JUCO offers for football and major D1 offers for track
For Russell Wilson, I think you gotta give the owners and the coaches a lot credit. They sign the infamous Back up for the packers Matt Flynn a lot of money to be their QB. But Wilson won the spot and they let him compete for it. Owners could’ve been a duck about it all but they trusted the people they hired.
Matt Flynn was paid veteran backup money, more or less. He did play well when he started in two stints with Green Bay though. It's a business, and Flynn walked away with lifetime financial independence.
Wilson was my inspiration to continue football, I came into my first varsity year at 5’5 165. I was one of the few dudes on the team that could take a hit and give one. Playing RB was fun, cause NOBODY wanted to go head up, cause I’d just get lower than them
Former Missouri quarterback, heisman runner up and super bowl champ, Chase Daniel is also 6’0. He would’ve been drafted if he came out in 2019 instead of 2009 or whenever it was.
Guys like Flutie, Brees (yea he was called too short too), Wilson, and Murray really need to change the way NFL teams look at shorter QBs. If you've got the arm and the head for football, give them a damn chance.
Wow! I'm actually pretty happy I have some things in common with Doug flutie. I've been 5'9 since I was like 16 I think, but in my early twenties as well as my late teen years my weight was usually around 175 lb so honestly I just think it's pretty cool that someone who was good enough to make it to the NFL was the same size I was at the same age. Obviously he's a lot older than me since I'm actually 33 years old now and I kind of let myself go and I weigh over 200 lb now damn it. LOL
Doug Flutie was a beast, loved watching him growing up despite hating the Bills. That guy was doing things that paved the way for Short QBs and Scrambling/Rushing Qbs... Huge shame that he was never supported. Guy was Amazing, took it all with a good attitude too.
I see Doug Flutie in the thumbnail, I click every time. Dude is an absolute legend and so ahead of his time. His CFL highlights are some of the best WB play ever. He walked so Russ and Kyler could run
This vid makes me think about how rare Justin Herbert and Josh Allen are. Prototypical pocket QB size and arm with elite athleticism. What a time to be alive
It's probably not that having a tall QB at like 6'7'' or 6'8'' is bad but since there just aren't as many people that tall your less likely to find many QBs of that height meaning those few QBs are less likely to be good. Size matters, but it is far from the only thing
Usually at that height guys play basketball. Or if on the heavy side they get placed at oline in high school and just continue gaining weight for oline.
Really cool video KTO! This goes to show you that being tall isn't always an advantage. Better to be on the shorter side when it comes to playing quarterback in the NFL.
Great video, sir!!! very creative. You have done a video on the craziest college football season, but I think you should do the second craziest which was 1990.
That said, part of the reason little running QBs did not make it, is because in college nobody could catch them. In the pros the DLs are almost as fast as the running QB. Often times they ran wishbone/flexbone/I formation etc. This is of course prior to the spread option which ends careers for QBs in the pros. It is, however, nice to have a 4-5 year career making 10 million before your leg is snapped in half or your shoulder is pulled out of socket. Trying to keep the hyperbole to a minimum but there is a lot of truth here.
I would say neither up until recently but now you have multiple short qbs succeeding lately (Wilson, Mayfield, Murray) seems like its very rare a 6-6 or higher qb is successful flaccos the only recent one i can think of, it will be interesting to see if Lawrence will be successful as a 6-6 qb as he has been pretty disappointing so far…
My Great Grandfather, Ken Heineman, was like the 11th or 12th shortest QB in Pro football history. Played for the Rams and the Dodgers when they were a football team. Alternated between QB and RB, but was also the punter, punt returner, and led the league in Kick return yards for 1 season
Yeah it's pretty well known that agility severely declines once you are above 6ft or 6ft3... thats why its always amazing to see people like Derek Henry or DK Metcalf do their thing. They are freaks to be that big and move like they do. But as for the quarterback, size is only going to help you so much against defensive linemen.... whereas being small, fast, and agile can help you so much more in other ways. Joe Montana was 6ft2, but he played small fast and agile for how tall he was.
@@portee9113 yea I feel like 6’2 is the perfect height for a qb bc u still can move like your short but still have the strength and other gifts a tall dude has
Bingo and that’s not even QBs that’s every position. I heard Saints defensive end Cameron Jordan 64 or 65 talk about staying healthy by focusing on bull rushing rather than edge rushing cuz it kept his legs safer. And he’s an athletic freak who could dominate any way he chose much like Peppers or JJ Watt
7:40 It was the biggest thing in sports, other than Jordan and the Last Dance. I lived in California and heard about Flutie all the time that year. They made Flutie Flakes and people were wearing Bills jackets in a state with 3 other football teams (49ers, Raiders, and Chargers.) The legend of Flutie spread from coast to coast.
Flutie was benched by the owner because they had paid Johnson a large pile of cash and the owner wanted value for that pile. After that playoff loss, even the coach knew and admitted it was a dumb move.
@@Jjfortyfive No not bayless as he's corny af But I see if you trying to refute logic then your metal skullcap is on extra tight while you in a lightning storm playing the game of wait for it Johnson was the better QB. Period
@@tedskins its the helmet man. I'm telling you 😂. His helmet is disproportionate to his overall figure lol. To me, he always looks like a kid playing peewee football.
Brees was between 6 and 6’1” and he had long arms and huge hands. Yes he was “short” but I would never call him small. He never could throw the ball as hard as Favre Peyton or Rodgers but he had good zip on it til he hit the wall
Brees was not a small qb, just a short qb pre 2010s. But was not exactly small. I watched the 2007 cowboys vs packers game, after Favre got hurt and Rodgers looked small compared to the size of players back then. Rodgers is the same height as Romo and taller than Brees, but looked smaller overall on the field.
I think Wilson can still flash some zip on the ball that Murray can’t. But throwing the ball deep has less to do with strength than placement. Drew Brees even when he was old could flick a deep seam bomb that dropped right where it needed to.
I'd be interested in seeing a video that really digs into the minute details that make the perfect player for each position. Stuff like foot and hand size, weight, and body type. I know teams have a standard they compare rookies to. There are always QBs that they say have hands that are too small. I know some body types seem to dominate certain positions, like mesomorphic QBs, endomorphic linemen, and ectomorphic WRs.
That does seem to be the conjecture of this video...the list of QB's over 6'3" reads like a who's who of QB's...Off the top of my head in recent memory, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Allen, Herbert, Ryan, Manning, Manning, and some guy named Brady...all over 6'3".
I guess football is just like the dating world. Us short dudes dont get the same hype as 6ft+ dudes even though 6ft+ is only 14.5% of the US male population.
Just to clarify. I cover “abnormally” short and tall players in this video. There’s been great QB’s who were 6’0” and 6’6”, but I chose to cover the true outliers. Anyways, enjoy!
Awesome video man. Keep it up
Do the same for linemans now :)
@@Aao1 KTO: "so....there's a guy named alejandro villanueva" 🤣🤣
Just fyi, NFL Throwback also posted a video with literally the same topic. What are the chances!?
@@MagicalBread lol that's the hot topic in the comments apparently
Best fact about Wilson is that his college o-line at Wisconsin was taller and bigger than most NFL teams. And teams still thought he couldn’t see over them.
Yeah I remember they had a line bigger than the Green Bay Packers at the time!
😂😂😂 I'm so glad I'm not the only one that remembers that
Wisconsin university had to have them big lineman as there were putting out NFL RB's every 3 , 4 years
Ex. Ron dayne and the one they had either before or after him.. not sure if it was j bettis
Wow
Stafford was ga bulldog wasnt he?
idea: do the smallest receivers vs the tallest receivers and their stats
On the other side, there's Taylor's gabriel
@yossarian Beasley lost his power after losing his hair
@yossarian out of all players why does he come to mind instead of Steve smith sr?
@yossarian The first guy that comes to mind for me when it comes to short receivers is Wes Welker but apparently he's 5'9" on the dot so idk if he counts
Rbs too
This is a crazy good video idea. Do it for HB AND WR
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Flutie called his time in the CFL something like "the most fun I ever had playing football." He LOVED it and Canadians loved him (and still do). I wouldn't call his playing there as a "resort." The CFL has a history of taking NFL rejects who shouldn't have been and turning them into stars (such as HOFer Warren Moon).
The CFL does not have a history of turning ex+NFLers into stars. No no no. What they do is give a platform for these people to show their talents. Like Flutie wasn't afforded in the NFL. But to sit there and say that the CFL has a history of turning these type of players into stars is disingenuous at best! Lol. Pppppppoooooooooooooooppppppp
Yeah as a Canadian I am curious if Flutie is well known today in the states, because I would say he is still a household name here
@@bullscott12 he is well known to football fans and majority of americans are football fans so he is still well known.
@@thomasdemay9805 Fair, I guess I was just wondering if my experience was different than those below the border.
@@bullscott12 It depends on who you talk to
I guess they gave Drew Brees that extra inch. I've met him in person once, he is definitely not 6 foot tall.
Did he have a bee on his hat
I have too and he is definitely over 6 foot plus he has long arms and huge hands. He’s not a small guy at all
I’ve seen johnny manziel in person and the fact that some publications actually list him at 6’1 is hysterical. How he gets away with that, I’m not sure. I mean...look at him on the field compared to everyone else. He’s 5’10 in cleats.
Same could be said about Mike Vick. Barely reaches the 6ft mark.
I went to the same high school as Doug Flutie, though a few years behind him. I'm 5'10" and the one time I stood next to him, well, 5'9" has seemed generous ever since. 😐
Not only do tall QBs have long throwing motions, but since they can tower above their O Linemen DBs and linebackers can more easily read their eyes.
QBs usually throw where there are openings in the offensive lines blocking
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so be like patrick mahomes n no look throw it
I think that’s why the first Seattle QB had a tinted visor
Exactly why taller QB’s have a longer career span, when they’re essentially pocket throwing QB’s who aren’t prone to running.
Doug flutie was my favorite qb when I was in HS. He made me believe I could be a QB at 5' 9". I was in marching band but we had great scrimmage games against brass players. I always played QB. My mom wouldn't let me play FB.
That sucks your mom didn’t let you play
@@jduce5641 ill never forget that choice in MS. I could have rebel'd but I chose the best option. I met my wife there and we have an amazing daughter.
@@Boltman12278 turned out for the good then! 😁
First guy I thought of for this list was Flutie.
My wife's still got an unopened box of the original Flutie Flakes. He's the guy who made her like football and the Bills.
The Doug Flutie story is like the 4th installment of back to the future, plus he looks like marty mcfly. What a legend
Great Scott
Looks like Marty mcfly 💀
No mention of the drop kick with the Pat's wtf. Last drop kick since the 50s
I’ve followed you for awhile now and didn’t realize we played against eachother in football back in the day. You put together some of the best videos and always have interesting stories. Keep it up man!
This real👀
Really? Who did you play for? That’s epic!
@@KTOfootball I'm talking hs, we were trash but played for vallivue.
@@quentingraff1510 what year? I remember we were supposed to beat you guys easily my senior year but got crushed instead. I slipped on your field like a million times 😂
@@KTOfootball I graduated in 2014, that all grass field was not the easiest to run on!
NFL Throwback literally just did a video on this crazy timing
You forgot to mention Doug Flutie’s drop kick with the patriots 😭
I was at that game
@@rickboiardimindshiftingaca6975 must’ve been rlly cool to see
When they lined up for the drop kick, everyone was wondering why they lined up that way. Very surprising
I'm surprised that you didn't mention that, while in San Diego, Flutie also paved the way for another "short" QB: Drew Brees
Drew Brees is six feet tall. That section is about qbs under six feet.
@@choiyatlam2552 he’s still the second shortest QB to ever win a SB.
@@choiyatlam2552 he is listed at 6 feet...but I've seen him in person and watched him play his entire career. I don't buy for a second that he's a legit 6 foot. Not wanting to start an argument, just giving my .2
@@birch5757 Your right about that. Im 5'11"3/4 and I've met Drew. He wasn't taller than me.
@@MJIZZEL haha. Funny you say that. I'm the exact same height.
Enjoy seeing guys like Flutie with an unconventional path to NFL success. Also goes for Moon, Warner, Wake, etc.
I remember seeing a video about a coach talking to Osweiler during tape. Made me realize a big downside to tall QB's: because youre so tall, the defense can see where youre looking
Also a 3 step drop leaves you very far behind the oline basically on an island vulnerable if an edge rusher wins. And extremely critically for any football position. Very tall guys do not take hits well, they fall hard and can take an entire tacklers force into their leg. Smaller guys can crumple into the tackle well. Look at like hunter renfrow or mark Ingram, they’re not particularly bruisers but their size allows them to take hits with less consequence
You do realize Brady and Manning are both 6'6 right? Still can't read them after twenty years lol
@@stylicho Brady is always been a scrawny 6’4” Manning in his prime was a jacked 6’5” but now he’s a lot skinnier and has the back problems. Google pics of them and Joe Flacco who is 6’6” you can tell they’re shorter.
@@voiceofreason2674 Randall Cunningham took hits very well and he was like 6'5 lol
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Mark Ingram like 5'9 220 -225 lbs and considered a bruiser especially early in career after 10 years as rb careers often said to last 3, 4 yrs. had great career even with knee injury. Renfro is 180 max bruiser never could be used in any context with him. His game in my opinion is possessions catcher. Catches pass goes down possibl keep chains moving. He not getting yards after catch unless there is a blown coverage. Randy Moss and Terrell Owens are yards after catch receivers
NFL throwback and KTO posted 2 vids within the same hour on the same topic. Doesnt get better than that
i legit just watched that video, check new videos and see this XD
Lol
So crazy!!
Just watched the NFL throwback one then refreshed and saw this one🤣
I thought I was Tripping, but yeah great ideas are Catch
Dan McGwire had to be one of the coolest looking QBs
His thumbnail pic alone got me like:😮😮😮
Definitely the QB you create in Madden.
Wow the McGwire brothers are tall Mark is 6ft5
looks arrogant to me honestly - his lack of skills finally caught up with his size in the NFL
@@ia5662
Exactly. Living off his brothers hype
Love the video! As an economist who researches comparable advantage in markets, I thought I’d give a shot at explaining some of the X-factor differences not discussed here.
So there’s some very interesting phenomena happening here.
Statistically: So the natural distribution shown is that of quarterbacks who have played in the NCAA rather than that of the entire population. That means that though under 6’ is one standard deviation away from the average while those over 6’5” are also one standard deviation away from the average. However, when looking at the entire population, 6’5” is much further away from the average meaning that there are fewer people to “choose from”. Therefore a quarterback who is 5’9” is much more likely to have more natural talent than a quarterback who is 6’8” as they would have to had to beat out more comparative options. This means they’re more likely to overcome the shortcomings (pun intended) of their height with better talent or skills to succeed.
Fundamentally: The challenges of short vs tall quarterbacks are fundamentally different. Short quarterbacks are far more self limiting as their shorter height means that they might struggle to throw over defenders and their shorter arms means that their throwing power could be limited. Both of these are overcome with talent, skill and experience which stated above is statistically in short quarterbacks’ favor. With their boosts in mobility being a positive also to help mitigate these issues.
While tall quarterbacks have a fundamentally different issue. Tall quarterbacks can easily see over their defensive line and benefit from longer arms and therefore more throw power. This means that they would be much more suited for a pocket passer roll. As their scrambling abilities are worse than that of short quarterbacks, tall quarterbacks are much more reliant on their offensive lines and therefore require more help from teammates. Though they do benefit from higher top speeds, their acceleration would be much lower, have bigger bodies to catch and are not agile enough to avoid defenders meaning that they need to throw to receivers proportionally more than short quarterbacks as they don’t have the other option. Also, just like you said, they are often boosted in the draft as their height is seen as a comparable advantage which means that they are likely going to a worse team (assuming their picked in the first round). Which means their ensemble cast is probably worse which they need to rely on more to begin with. So you’re essentially putting a worse quarterback that needs to depend on their teammates more on a worse team and expecting them to be great.
Though you could argue that height is a comparable advantage and that these people would have never been able to cut it as a quarterback if they were shorter meaning that NFL short quarterbacks would always be more competitive. It could also be that those who would have been all time great tall quarterbacks could have decided to play other sports where their physicality could be better suited like basketball and therefore wouldn’t be in the player pool. Either way, short quarterbacks are likely to be better if they can overcome their faults while tall quarterbacks can’t really ever overcome their issues and just kinda have to deal with them. There are real boundaries where short quarterbacks cannot succeed whatsoever such as a 5’4” quarterback while a quarterback over 7’ may be able to play but would struggle with injuries and other issues more.
Bruh it's always a good day when I get back home and I open up TH-cam to a new KTO video, thanks man.
If you put Kyler Murray, Steve Smith Sr., Darren Sproles, Antoine Winfield Sr., and Darrell Green on the same NFL team.
Takes small ball to a whole different level.
I would love to see that lmao
Don't forget Sam Mills.
Don't forget Spud Webb. 😂
Throw Bob Sanders in there and you got yourself a domination.
Triton Holliday as KR Jakeem Grant as PR… it’s a wrap!
That play by Russ you added from 2017 BEWILDERS me every time I watch it. It’s like a movie a dream it’s so divine. Go hawks
Doug Flutie was amazing, if he was given a longer time to develop, he would have had a great NFL career. The Bills finally have a QB with the same athletic ability and heart. But also the size and strength to go with it, you all know,who I’m talking about.
No. Who?
Mitchell Trubisky, obviously
@@alopezr8 NVP!
Mitch Trubisky, it's definitely obvious.
No - Flutie didn't need any time to develop. Did you watch the video? He WAS fully developed, and still had a great NFL career. It was the idiotic coaches and owners who constantly doubted the man even though he was a proven winner right in front of their faces. The front offices, scouts and coaching staffs are to blame for the shortness of Flutie's NFL tenure. If what you meant was that had they realized this immediately and kept in in the NFL the entire time, then yes, I agree being allowed to develop more would have helped pad his NFL stats and legacy. Maybe going and winning in another league is what developed his skills more so though, we'll never know.
I love Flutie. He really got shafted by the league
Height discrimination, yo. Such BS is what cost Buffalo their playoff run back then. I mean...what sense does it make to bench the shorter QB - who's doing insanely well for your team and is the reason you're in the playoffs to begin with - in favor of the taller guy who is the biggest liability?
No he didn't get shafted. Dude had a pedestrian average at best career in college football and gets 1 lucky ass hail mary pass completion to win a game at the end of regulation. That's it. Those are the FACTS
@@donovanwilliams29 if he played a full career in the NFL he would have won super bowls. He dominated the CFL then came to the Bills and made them into a playoff team. He was hands down the most exciting player I've ever seen on a football field. He was way above average.
@@joshgarbemusic
You are out your rabid ass mind.
1st off flutie not winning no fkn Superbowl
2nd who da hell you think is in CFL. A bunch of players who were not good enough to be in the NFL in the first place. Whether being cut ,undrafted. Those who in demand get to play in NFL.
3rd came to Buffalo and made them a play off team GTFOH stop smoking that shit. The hell you think Jim Kelly (class of 83 greatest QB class ever Elway and Dan Marino etc) did in Buffalo, lead them to 4 straight Superbowl
Never was flutie way above average
He was mediocre to average at best.
STOP IT WITH THE NONSENSE
@@donovanwilliams29 alot of very successful NFL QBs have Pedestrian records in college. A college QB record doesn't mean a whole lot in the NFL especially in the past when college offenses were geared to the run or even option offenses.
I love it when KTO uploads
Same. I think it should be a calendar thing honestly😂😂
Fyi: I've noticed that taller qbs tend to have longer motions than shorter guys. Guess it's a natural thing
(Edit) Actually, an exception would be kyler Murray's, who has a longer release than most small guys due to his baseball experience
(Second edit) Also, there were/are some mobile taller quarterbacks. Examples: Feleipe Franks, trevor lawrence, cardale jones, and Logan Thomas, at Virginia tech anyways. Guys like Logan Thomas had their quarterback talent wasted after being converted to another position, but did well.
You forgot Randall Cunningham, the prototype q scrambling QB.
@@lavanderwilliams794 was he THAT tall tho?
@@KawikaChing He was listed at 6'4", but he was actually about an inch taller.
@@KawikaChing Josh Allen is listed at 6’5
What about Hebert with the Bolts...he's superior in arm talent, iq, and athleticism and he's like 6'5" or 6'6"
Lol the NFL Throwbacks channel just posted a video exactly like this. They examined Qbs who were 6’6” and taller, and Qbs who were 5’11 and smaller.
Excellent work as always KTO. Love the content
Ohh as a Seahawks fan that last clips is the embodiment of our team, constantly giving us heart attacks after heart attacks
@11:12 yes I have just watched AD do today
Justin Herbert will probably be the best tall quarterback
Just looked up: 6'6! I realized he was tall, but not that tall. So far it's looking like he might very well win that title...as well as showing potential to simply be an all time great.
Def not
@@AndersonNorden who then?
How is a guy with a losing record gonna be the best
Bro did Allen retire?
I remember watching Flutie as a kid in the Grey cup. Seeing him go to Buffalo was gut check as the Argos were not the same without him.
I didnt like the bills, but my dad was a fan of flutie when he was in Chicago. He kept up with him in the CFL despite it not being Aired here at all back in the 90s, when he came back, he was PUMPED, and i fell in love with that playstyle and that guy.
CFL/Argos lost a treasure the NFL wasnt going to appreciate :(.
Shit, hes one reason why the CFL is even recognized down here in the States, similar to how Kurt Warner coming to the NFL made people look at Arena Football a bit more closely(albeit not much more)
@@boomznbladez405
No he was people already knew of the CFL because of Warren Moon a real hall of fame QB
Kto I would like it if you made a video about Jim Thorpe. He played just about everything you could imagine.
Which sports did Jim Thorpe not play in his career?
@@bigbeauf_____3167 pretty much just soccer (which was still a niche sport played mostly by Irish immigrants). He was a professional baseball and football player, world champion ballet dancer and snooker player, on top of being an Olympic triathlete, and gold medal-winning pentathlete and decathlete, winning gold in the 1912 decathlon while wearing mismatched shoes because his were stolen that day.
@@benjamindang5384 Didn't he play tennis and golf, too?
@yossarian greatest athlete ever.
@@bigbeauf_____3167 Different Jim Thorpe.
The music to end the video is why I watch. The way you end videos gives me goosebumps every time. Love it.
“short quarterbacks would have the best mobility among their peers”
Justin Herbert: And thats where I took it personally
Herbert is special though....
Nah bro Herbert has long strides but he can't do the shit Murray does.
herbert is over rated
@@holocade4908 says who?
@@SquidwardsGooch losing record all he has is stat padding
This video was Amazing! Got me thinking about how all of these QBs have baseball in their background and the conversation could almost change from Tall and Short to Pitchers and shortstops as QBs.
I was a 5'7" qb in high school and dominated. I decided to pursue track in college since I only got offers from D2 and JUCO offers for football and major D1 offers for track
That’s pretty cool. What races?
Love this channel top quality content Everytime 🔥🔥
For Russell Wilson, I think you gotta give the owners and the coaches a lot credit. They sign the infamous Back up for the packers Matt Flynn a lot of money to be their QB. But Wilson won the spot and they let him compete for it. Owners could’ve been a duck about it all but they trusted the people they hired.
Matt Flynn was paid veteran backup money, more or less. He did play well when he started in two stints with Green Bay though. It's a business, and Flynn walked away with lifetime financial independence.
You know it’s a good day when both @KTO and @Jxmy upload on the same day
There’s also way more “small guys” as the average American man hovers around 5’9”/5’10”, so the talent pool is much bigger than “tall guys” of 6’6”+
As always, it's a pleasure watching your videos.
Man I gotta give respect to fluttie ✊🏾 that’s a relentless attitude
The Doug flutie story would be like Brandon weeden joining the panthers and getting to the pro bowl while leading them to the playoffs. Insane
Wilson was my inspiration to continue football, I came into my first varsity year at 5’5 165. I was one of the few dudes on the team that could take a hit and give one. Playing RB was fun, cause NOBODY wanted to go head up, cause I’d just get lower than them
Yah, sure brah
@@benriffle104 you tryna run okies?
And once again, another great video!
Doug Flutie: certified Short King™
I get so hyped for these videos, you do great work
6'4: Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Trent Dilfer
6'5: Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Brad Johnson
6'6: Joe Flacco, Nick Foles
A combined 18 SBs
I think Flacco was the first 6’6” to win a playoff game
I think this will shift backwards now. Average qb height is slightly decreasing with all these young and mobile young bucks coming into the game.
Former Missouri quarterback, heisman runner up and super bowl champ, Chase Daniel is also 6’0. He would’ve been drafted if he came out in 2019 instead of 2009 or whenever it was.
KTO has been GRINDING these videos out lately!! Love the content man keep it up and merry Christmas!
Doug Flutie is 4 inches taller than me, he is still taller then average. This is how elite pro sports are, that he is rememmbered as small.
That’s unreal Flutie got benched. Also Murray is not 5’10 lmao. Crazy to see no big QBs succeed
Everywhere I look I see Murray listed as 5'10 are you saying he's shorter or taller than that?
@@Dunkleosteusenjoyer I remember hearing 5’9 when he was at Oklahoma
@@trilla1378 its not uncommon for 20-22 year old men to grow a few inches. Thats usually when growth stops.
@@Dunkleosteusenjoyer shorter he looks like 5’8 lmao
@@Dunkleosteusenjoyer a few inches? Lol it happens but it is rare, very uncommon.
Another KTO upload, another banger.
Guys like Flutie, Brees (yea he was called too short too), Wilson, and Murray really need to change the way NFL teams look at shorter QBs. If you've got the arm and the head for football, give them a damn chance.
Modern day rules easy on qbs is why shorter qbs started being drafted in the 2010s.
@@johnortan1890 They always deserved a shot. Doug Flutie played very well when given a chance in Buffalo in the late 90's early 2000's.
@@moopert86 it was risky though unless a team had a great oline to prevent the qb from being crushed.
The end of your videos are always so hype!
Wow! I'm actually pretty happy I have some things in common with Doug flutie. I've been 5'9 since I was like 16 I think, but in my early twenties as well as my late teen years my weight was usually around 175 lb so honestly I just think it's pretty cool that someone who was good enough to make it to the NFL was the same size I was at the same age. Obviously he's a lot older than me since I'm actually 33 years old now and I kind of let myself go and I weigh over 200 lb now damn it. LOL
Like we really give a shit.
Doug Flutie was a beast, loved watching him growing up despite hating the Bills. That guy was doing things that paved the way for Short QBs and Scrambling/Rushing Qbs...
Huge shame that he was never supported. Guy was Amazing, took it all with a good attitude too.
The Seahawks guy on the far right of the thumbnail looks like the madden players I made as a kid
I see Doug Flutie in the thumbnail, I click every time. Dude is an absolute legend and so ahead of his time. His CFL highlights are some of the best WB play ever.
He walked so Russ and Kyler could run
I’d argue Wilson’s deep ball is much better than Murray’s
The reason you won't see a guy 6ft 7 making a play like 11:15 is because they're all playing basketball.
We short guys do have to work 10 times harder than men with height in order to be considered “good”
This vid makes me think about how rare Justin Herbert and Josh Allen are. Prototypical pocket QB size and arm with elite athleticism. What a time to be alive
So, what you're telling me, is that NFL scouts judge QBs on their height the same way women do?
Brutal.
It's probably not that having a tall QB at like 6'7'' or 6'8'' is bad but since there just aren't as many people that tall your less likely to find many QBs of that height meaning those few QBs are less likely to be good. Size matters, but it is far from the only thing
You wonder how many more potential great QBs of that height there would be if basketball didn't exist.
Usually at that height guys play basketball. Or if on the heavy side they get placed at oline in high school and just continue gaining weight for oline.
Really cool video KTO! This goes to show you that being tall isn't always an advantage. Better to be on the shorter side when it comes to playing quarterback in the NFL.
Hell yeah showing the smaller guys some love!
can’t wait for you to make a video about the 2021 college football season !
So, a 6’3” QB with good mobility is the most desirable.
Mahomes in a nutshell lol
Great video, sir!!! very creative. You have done a video on the craziest college football season, but I think you should do the second craziest which was 1990.
That said, part of the reason little running QBs did not make it, is because in college nobody could catch them. In the pros the DLs are almost as fast as the running QB. Often times they ran wishbone/flexbone/I formation etc. This is of course prior to the spread option which ends careers for QBs in the pros. It is, however, nice to have a 4-5 year career making 10 million before your leg is snapped in half or your shoulder is pulled out of socket. Trying to keep the hyperbole to a minimum but there is a lot of truth here.
Fran Tarkenton was definitely under 6'. If we get out the tape measure I'm willing to bet Drew Brees was a fraction under 6' as well.
I would say neither up until recently but now you have multiple short qbs succeeding lately (Wilson, Mayfield, Murray) seems like its very rare a 6-6 or higher qb is successful flaccos the only recent one i can think of, it will be interesting to see if Lawrence will be successful as a 6-6 qb as he has been pretty disappointing so far…
How about Herbert?
What do you call a person missing 75% of their spine?
A quarterback
This is an awesome video, very insightful... thank you KTO! We don't deserve you
I’m guessing you did not plan for NFL Throwback to post this same video a topic an hour prior 😂
No I did not 😂😂
I would like to see a video for the height outliers for all positions especially rb and wr.
I remember Nick Foles being listed at 6'7" earlier in his career in some circles. He would far exceed this list!
My Great Grandfather, Ken Heineman, was like the 11th or 12th shortest QB in Pro football history. Played for the Rams and the Dodgers when they were a football team. Alternated between QB and RB, but was also the punter, punt returner, and led the league in Kick return yards for 1 season
I’m 6’4 and I feel freakishly tall sometimes. I couldn’t imagine playing in the nfl at 6’6 with all the hits to the legs
Yeah it's pretty well known that agility severely declines once you are above 6ft or 6ft3... thats why its always amazing to see people like Derek Henry or DK Metcalf do their thing. They are freaks to be that big and move like they do. But as for the quarterback, size is only going to help you so much against defensive linemen.... whereas being small, fast, and agile can help you so much more in other ways.
Joe Montana was 6ft2, but he played small fast and agile for how tall he was.
@@portee9113 yea I feel like 6’2 is the perfect height for a qb bc u still can move like your short but still have the strength and other gifts a tall dude has
Bingo and that’s not even QBs that’s every position. I heard Saints defensive end Cameron Jordan 64 or 65 talk about staying healthy by focusing on bull rushing rather than edge rushing cuz it kept his legs safer. And he’s an athletic freak who could dominate any way he chose much like Peppers or JJ Watt
@@portee9113 Henry mainly just runs straight foward and straight up.
7:40
It was the biggest thing in sports, other than Jordan and the Last Dance.
I lived in California and heard about Flutie all the time that year. They made Flutie Flakes and people were wearing Bills jackets in a state with 3 other football teams (49ers, Raiders, and Chargers.)
The legend of Flutie spread from coast to coast.
Flutie was benched by the owner because they had paid Johnson a large pile of cash and the owner wanted value for that pile.
After that playoff loss, even the coach knew and admitted it was a dumb move.
Wasn't dumb move Johnson better qb
@@donovanwilliams29 thanks Lombardi
@@Jjfortyfive
Johnson was the better QB and lasted longer as a viable back up
@@donovanwilliams29 is this skip bayless?
@@Jjfortyfive
No not bayless as he's corny af
But I see if you trying to refute logic then your metal skullcap is on extra tight while you in a lightning storm playing the game of wait for it
Johnson was the better QB. Period
That awkward moment when KTO's video comes out an hour after a similarly titled NFL Throwback video.
Love your content bruh, just a funny coincidence.
I'm still skeptical about Kyler even being 5'10" he looks even shorter than that.
Im convinced he's 5'9 and has tissues inserted on his soles for that extra inch
@@qpeocn Kyler looks like a make a wish kid out there 🤣
@@tedskins its the helmet man. I'm telling you 😂. His helmet is disproportionate to his overall figure lol. To me, he always looks like a kid playing peewee football.
@@tedskins when he runs dude 💀
@@AndersonNorden toddler lost in target
Good vid keep it up man 🔥🔥
Although brees was 6 foot. He is easily one of the greatest. He and so many other "small" qbs have been extremely influential to smaller quarterbacks
Brees was between 6 and 6’1” and he had long arms and huge hands. Yes he was “short” but I would never call him small. He never could throw the ball as hard as Favre Peyton or Rodgers but he had good zip on it til he hit the wall
Brees was not a small qb, just a short qb pre 2010s. But was not exactly small. I watched the 2007 cowboys vs packers game, after Favre got hurt and Rodgers looked small compared to the size of players back then. Rodgers is the same height as Romo and taller than Brees, but looked smaller overall on the field.
Quality over Quantity. Another Great Video from the Legend Himself
Does Murray really have a stronger arm than Wilson tho?
He must have a stronger arm now than wilson...
I think Wilson can still flash some zip on the ball that Murray can’t. But throwing the ball deep has less to do with strength than placement. Drew Brees even when he was old could flick a deep seam bomb that dropped right where it needed to.
Video starts @ 2:50. Everything before is trying to make this OP money
As a short guy myself, I really enjoyed this video.
ahahaha
6:25
Why does Doug Flouney look like a less handsome version of Tom hanks
There's no way Murray is 5"10 dude looks 5"8 out there lol
Yeah I think kyler Murray is about 5'9
Great content once again
A fact is that size doesn’t matter. It’s how you play
Amen to that! 100%
I'd be interested in seeing a video that really digs into the minute details that make the perfect player for each position. Stuff like foot and hand size, weight, and body type. I know teams have a standard they compare rookies to. There are always QBs that they say have hands that are too small. I know some body types seem to dominate certain positions, like mesomorphic QBs, endomorphic linemen, and ectomorphic WRs.
Short kings rise up ✊😏
Eddie LeBaron was my first NFL favorite quarterback in the fifties for the Redskins at 5' 7".
So if you're taller than 6'3" and can throw a ball with power and precision, you're better off playing another sport.
That does seem to be the conjecture of this video...the list of QB's over 6'3" reads like a who's who of QB's...Off the top of my head in recent memory, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Allen, Herbert, Ryan, Manning, Manning, and some guy named Brady...all over 6'3".
Great vid as always
I guess football is just like the dating world. Us short dudes dont get the same hype as 6ft+ dudes even though 6ft+ is only 14.5% of the US male population.
The Russell Wilson reliable that aged like fine milk
I'm gonna have to disagree and say Russ has a stronger arm than Kyler.