I hate this title. YOU hate this title. I dont want to do stupid faces in my thumbnails. If we could support and share chill videos with titles that just told you what was in the video, we'd ALL be a lot happier. Unfortunately, if I dont do stuff like this you'll probably NEVER see my videos. Help a techie out, and share the videos you like, instead of sharing lazy outrage bait. Maybe we can be the change we want to see in the world...
I LOVE the title! My suggestion for your next video: "I bought EVERY Arm laptop out there, so YOU don't have to!" Honestly, do whatever works to drum up views, you are probably a bit too self conscious.
Why can't there be more people like Juan? For some people its difficult to understand why a mobile processor is necessary. They point and go, "its not as fast as my core i9", dude, that thing won't last more than 3 hours off the charger while hese new mobile chips from Mediatek and Qualcomm will go for the whole day and give you adequate power. Our netbooks are finally here even though they're well over a decade late. How is this not exciting?
It is not because there are AMD CPUs for good battery life and performance and it is not like Snapdragon CPUs are any better than x86 let alone compatibility problems
@@abdullahk0405plese amd and intel chip loss up to 50% performance unplugged vs plugged snapdragon and apple arm chips lost none. thats not "mobile" at all and its supposed to be a "mobile" device not a desktop 😂
It's funny how much I can hate Apple for some of their dumb practices... But the computers got (finally) something that changed the game for everyone. I've been telling my friends: Be prepared for when others catch up with ARM because it will also make AMD and Intel change. And that aged nicely!
I'm an ARM guy too. I own both a Yoga Slim 7x and a Zenbook S16. The Slim 7x runs cool and is equally snappy on battery as it is when plugged in. The S16 runs terribly on battery. When you unplug it, the screen turns on/off quickly and then Windows suddenly becomes choppy. Thats not to mention the insane heat the S16 kicks off. I watched a ton of reviews on the S16 before I bought it, and NONE of the tech reviewers pointed out the problem. Instead it was all benchmarks which dont translate into real world use.
Cool to hear they're working on audio drivers, I just returned my Surface and decided to try out a Lunar Lake laptop partially because none of my music gear would work with it. Wish they had the drivers figured out before they launched; I get it's a small chunk of the population here but it's hard to give Snapdragon a chance when you aren't sure when (or if) something you want your computer to do will work. But competition is a great thing, and I hope that Windows on ARM keeps on gaining steam.
From all the years I've used Snapdragon Windows On Arm for SQ1 through 3 and then Elite, do yourself a favor and get a USB sound card. Far fewer problems.
@@LaurenGlennoh, you mean like a dongle DAC? Yeah, that's a good idea. Lol, I just realized that it's probably one of the reasons my cheapo windows tablet came with one.
Would love to see how consumer Lunar Lake laptop compares against X Elite. ARM always have the advantage in battery life, particularly during standby, but x86 still has wider software compatibility.
it was all about the node, ARM chips always used the latest node compared to x86, for example the iphone 16 uses tsmc advanced 3nm node while the intel x86 still is on the old tsmc 3 node.
Watching this on my Surface Pro X SQ2 from the couch! Love my AMD and Intel computers too, but I need that fanless portability... I'm hoping manufacturers start giving us more fanless ARM options. Meanwhile, where is the new Robo & Kala? Keep up the great work, Juan!
I've been bugging them SO much. I hope that when we see price drops on the major manufacturers, R&K can come in with a good cost conscious X Plus model early next year.
I hate it too. See though. You came ready to throw hands, but if I just titled the video what we would want, we wouldn't be having this conversation now...
Not gonna lie, I thought this was straight-up clickbait, but honestly, I really liked the video. TH-cam basically forces creators to clickbait if they want to survive. Kinda sucks, but I get it. Anyway, good stuff. Also, I like how Snapdragon delivers solid performance for what it is. The endurance is looking great, and the battery performance on Windows machines has finally improved. It’s almost enough to make me reconsider my rule about avoiding 1st-gen products.
If it's any consolation, this isn't really "first gen". Techies (not you but bigger reviewers) seem to keep glazing over the fact that we've been working ARM since Windows 8, and it's been improving steadily. Even the last gen 8CXg3 chips are solid, just not as high performance as X Elite.
Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Edge owner here. Absolutely agree about the portability advantage of Snapdragon. I have an efficient flow to working on Windows 11, and although I own an M1 MacBook Pro, work is faster on the Samsung. Glad to see Windows and its apps improving!
This looks so promising. I'm in the market for a new laptop, but it also feels like Windows on Arm just isn't there yet for me, since it still falls short for some of the things I'll need my laptop for (Davinci Resolve + Adobe stuff). Gonna get a Macbook for now, and hope that software for Windows on Arm is better supported by the next time I'm in the market for a new laptop.
Intel, AMD, Qualcomm still fall short when it comes performance per watt when compared with Apple, honestly its so disappointing that they haven't caught up after 4 years
Right? Their only job is to make processors yet Apple does a ton of other things and they're beating you at the only thing you're good at? That really is sad and shows that they really were not trying.
Right its simple, Apple uses the latest greatest wafer tech from Tsmc. Right now Apple uses 3 nm while AMD uses 4nm. So when Amd uses 3 nm Apple will use 2nm.
Small thing, but because there’s a red line bottom left of the thumbnail, I thought for a second that I had watched some of the video. But then my neuron activated and now I’m here.
My M1 MacBook Air (sans notch for the win) is so close to being the perfect laptop for me. But I simply cannot get used to MacOS after 2 years of trying to use it. If it had the option to run Windows *natively* at the same performance and endurance as when running MacOS, and having true thunderbolt ports with multi monitor support, then it'd be the perfect device. It's sad it's taken this long for non-Apple devices to catch up, but am excited that I'll be able to get the "perfect" laptop of my dreams soon it seems. Now if only I liked W11...
The success of linux in this space is unfortunately tied to windows hardware success. The more traction ARM gets in the market, the more companies will want linux options, the better our support will be to flash over different operating systems.
I'll just say my galaxy book edge with the x elite is the best laptop I've ever used. And for 799$ you honestly can't beat the quality and speed/efficiency for the price. Arm is finally not just viable but preferable for alot of use cases.
It's been crazy watching techies try to move the goal posts around on stuff like performance per watt. Just glad we're finally on a good track, and this should be a huge nudge towards better competition.
It's hilarious watching the two companies spar. ARM trying to make an example out of their biggest customer surely won't upset their other partners or hasten development on RISC. Qualcomm played a stupid game with licensing (after being a ruthlessly punitive company with licensing their own IP), and now they're in the "finding out" part of the equation. ESH. They'll work it out, but they have to air all their dirty laundry first.
I love my Galaxy Book 4 Edge for all the reasons you listed, though specifically targeting development rather than video editing. The fact that I can grab my laptop and reliably do a full day of intensive work without worrying about the battery or performance makes it a better device than any of my x86 chips for that use case. I still have x86 gaming machines that I rely on for that task, but those are the right tool for that job! I appreciate that not everyone can have multiple devices, but it's all about weighing what you need most and getting the right device for you. The only thing I don't really like about my Galaxy Book is that Samsung has absolutely terrible driver support. My Thinkpad x13s got driver updates pretty regularly, but I don't think I have gotten a single driver update for the Galaxy Book, and I'm fairly certain that at least an updated GPU driver was released in June or July for X Elite other devices =/
@@SomeGadgetGuy Just got a driver/bios update package. Supposedly it was published in late October though. The GPU driver is now 31.0.71.0 now, with a driver date of 8/27/2024
honestly I am just glad there are more option and tech is getting more interesting. Why not have different tools for different things? I have a gaming pc, a m1 macbook air for work and school, and a steam deck and switch for portable gaming. I also have a camera when I want good pics better than my phone. I don't know why people want everyone to use the same thing. I hope we get more ARM chips and software so we the consumer have more options and win!
I mean, now I think that's the way to be. I've been advocating for more phone use in displacing laptops and game consoles, but it seems phone manufacturers are hellbent on adding more compute power, but REDUCING what we can do with that hardware and compute power. If phone manufacturers wont give us better features to REALLY use these phone chips, we might as well buy cheaper phones AND own things like Steam Decks...
@@SomeGadgetGuy imagine the version 2 of snapdragon coming end of year next year,from what Ive read,were talking crazy perf increase and a way better on board gpu. Now if microsoft adds oled to surface 7 2.0,we might be talking the best laptop ever.
I explicitly use Windows and don't use arm yet, waiting for that to get even more competitive. so my machines have been exclusively Intel, aaannnnnnd Itel machines Fuc*************ing sucks.
I think we'll see GOOD prices on AMD and current Qualcomm early in 2025, and the rumors are pointing to NVIDIA making an ARM CPU late next year. If you can hold out, I think the competition will REALLY heat up end of next year.
@@SomeGadgetGuy 🤞on Nvidia to help shake things up to push Qualcomm even further, I don't game but weirdly need a powerful GPU on the go, and SDX Elite can't cut it for me at the moment.
If the plugged in performance is superlative, and the unplugged performance is great but not superlative, what's the problem? Because you're not used to the drop in performance? Shouldn't it only be a problem if the unplugged performance is bad?
Because on the beefier gaming and workstation grade laptops, the unplugged performance is often quite poor. That clip I show of frame rate dropping to 30fps. What do you think happened there?
@@SomeGadgetGuy Gaming laptops come with beefy DGPUs so when unplugged they are destined to drop in performance. But they are a different class of laptops. There's no Snapdragon equivalent for them. For the iGPU laptops performance nowadays doesn't drop by much, especially for everyday tasks. Normally what happens is that the top performance mode doesn't run on battery, but you can still use the mid-level balanced mode. I feel that as long as performance is good, it is perfectly fine to drop the wattage going to the CPU to save battery power.
And then, why not use an architecture where you can use the top performance mode on battery? Your reply here cuts both ways and highlights what I talk about in terms of competition. It's silly to posture like one solution is the bestest for everyone. I have a CPU in this thing that outperforms 14th gen intel Core i9s, but does NOT scale down on battery. At all. It's silly to pretend there aren't people out there who would appreciate that performance. There's a WIDE audience of people who are going to consider "top performance ONLY when plugged in" irrelevant. See also, the swing of people who dropped Windows laptops for Macs recently.
I hate this title. YOU hate this title. I dont want to do stupid faces in my thumbnails. If we could support and share chill videos with titles that just told you what was in the video, we'd ALL be a lot happier. Unfortunately, if I dont do stuff like this you'll probably NEVER see my videos. Help a techie out, and share the videos you like, instead of sharing lazy outrage bait. Maybe we can be the change we want to see in the world...
well... this is the youtube game, i don't like it but i won't hate the player. Keep up the good work!
Just imagine what we COULD have if we werent beholden to TH-cam and Facebook algorithms...
@@SomeGadgetGuy true
I LOVE the title! My suggestion for your next video: "I bought EVERY Arm laptop out there, so YOU don't have to!"
Honestly, do whatever works to drum up views, you are probably a bit too self conscious.
@al "I review laptops for a living and you can forget about Apple M4! Apple has something MUCH better!"
🤦
Why can't there be more people like Juan? For some people its difficult to understand why a mobile processor is necessary. They point and go, "its not as fast as my core i9", dude, that thing won't last more than 3 hours off the charger while hese new mobile chips from Mediatek and Qualcomm will go for the whole day and give you adequate power. Our netbooks are finally here even though they're well over a decade late. How is this not exciting?
Too few techies are actually curious about this stuff and only want pats on the head for being clever and choosing the "winning" team.
It is not because there are AMD CPUs for good battery life and performance and it is not like Snapdragon CPUs are any better than x86 let alone compatibility problems
You seem to be missing the point of this video abdullah...
@@abdullahk0405plese amd and intel chip loss up to 50% performance unplugged vs plugged snapdragon and apple arm chips lost none. thats not "mobile" at all and its supposed to be a "mobile" device not a desktop 😂
@@abdullahk0405 woosh
It's funny how much I can hate Apple for some of their dumb practices... But the computers got (finally) something that changed the game for everyone. I've been telling my friends: Be prepared for when others catch up with ARM because it will also make AMD and Intel change. And that aged nicely!
I'm an ARM guy too. I own both a Yoga Slim 7x and a Zenbook S16. The Slim 7x runs cool and is equally snappy on battery as it is when plugged in. The S16 runs terribly on battery. When you unplug it, the screen turns on/off quickly and then Windows suddenly becomes choppy. Thats not to mention the insane heat the S16 kicks off. I watched a ton of reviews on the S16 before I bought it, and NONE of the tech reviewers pointed out the problem. Instead it was all benchmarks which dont translate into real world use.
Whoa. I hadn't heard about that either.
@@shrimpgordita yeah honestly it's wild how much the laptop motherboard manufacturer can screw up a good chip
@@SomeGadgetGuy Have you tried out the S16 or any other Strix Point laptops? I'd be very curious to know if they all do the same thing.
But the new AMD is supposed to be the best and better than Snapdragon according to AMD fan boys 😂
Cool to hear they're working on audio drivers, I just returned my Surface and decided to try out a Lunar Lake laptop partially because none of my music gear would work with it. Wish they had the drivers figured out before they launched; I get it's a small chunk of the population here but it's hard to give Snapdragon a chance when you aren't sure when (or if) something you want your computer to do will work.
But competition is a great thing, and I hope that Windows on ARM keeps on gaining steam.
Competition is the only thing that matters. Lunar Lake looks solid. We wouldnt have Lunar Lake if it weren't for Apple (and Qualcomm).
From all the years I've used Snapdragon Windows On Arm for SQ1 through 3 and then Elite, do yourself a favor and get a USB sound card. Far fewer problems.
@@LaurenGlennoh, you mean like a dongle DAC? Yeah, that's a good idea. Lol, I just realized that it's probably one of the reasons my cheapo windows tablet came with one.
Would love to see how consumer Lunar Lake laptop compares against X Elite. ARM always have the advantage in battery life, particularly during standby, but x86 still has wider software compatibility.
it was all about the node, ARM chips always used the latest node compared to x86, for example the iphone 16 uses tsmc advanced 3nm node while the intel x86 still is on the old tsmc 3 node.
Watching this on my Surface Pro X SQ2 from the couch! Love my AMD and Intel computers too, but I need that fanless portability... I'm hoping manufacturers start giving us more fanless ARM options. Meanwhile, where is the new Robo & Kala? Keep up the great work, Juan!
I've been bugging them SO much. I hope that when we see price drops on the major manufacturers, R&K can come in with a good cost conscious X Plus model early next year.
I was about to throw hands just for that title
I hate it too. See though. You came ready to throw hands, but if I just titled the video what we would want, we wouldn't be having this conversation now...
Not gonna lie, I thought this was straight-up clickbait, but honestly, I really liked the video. TH-cam basically forces creators to clickbait if they want to survive. Kinda sucks, but I get it. Anyway, good stuff.
Also, I like how Snapdragon delivers solid performance for what it is. The endurance is looking great, and the battery performance on Windows machines has finally improved. It’s almost enough to make me reconsider my rule about avoiding 1st-gen products.
If it's any consolation, this isn't really "first gen". Techies (not you but bigger reviewers) seem to keep glazing over the fact that we've been working ARM since Windows 8, and it's been improving steadily. Even the last gen 8CXg3 chips are solid, just not as high performance as X Elite.
i still use that Honor V20 phone 2:48 from 2019.
V20 was a MONSTER phone.
Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Edge owner here. Absolutely agree about the portability advantage of Snapdragon. I have an efficient flow to working on Windows 11, and although I own an M1 MacBook Pro, work is faster on the Samsung. Glad to see Windows and its apps improving!
It's been so refreshing to see these improvements over the last two generations of Qualcomm chips.
I can't believe our political arena has gotten so outrageous that we are now having these kind of conversations.
This looks so promising. I'm in the market for a new laptop, but it also feels like Windows on Arm just isn't there yet for me, since it still falls short for some of the things I'll need my laptop for (Davinci Resolve + Adobe stuff). Gonna get a Macbook for now, and hope that software for Windows on Arm is better supported by the next time I'm in the market for a new laptop.
Intel, AMD, Qualcomm still fall short when it comes performance per watt when compared with Apple, honestly its so disappointing that they haven't caught up after 4 years
Right? Their only job is to make processors yet Apple does a ton of other things and they're beating you at the only thing you're good at? That really is sad and shows that they really were not trying.
@@orangeyellow-me1pz I mean their way more closer to Apple now but still not competitive enough against Apple
Right its simple, Apple uses the latest greatest wafer tech from Tsmc. Right now Apple uses 3 nm while AMD uses 4nm. So when Amd uses 3 nm Apple will use 2nm.
@@miyagiryota9238 it is not about smaller nm buddy
Small thing, but because there’s a red line bottom left of the thumbnail, I thought for a second that I had watched some of the video. But then my neuron activated and now I’m here.
Good point! Thanks!
My M1 MacBook Air (sans notch for the win) is so close to being the perfect laptop for me. But I simply cannot get used to MacOS after 2 years of trying to use it. If it had the option to run Windows *natively* at the same performance and endurance as when running MacOS, and having true thunderbolt ports with multi monitor support, then it'd be the perfect device.
It's sad it's taken this long for non-Apple devices to catch up, but am excited that I'll be able to get the "perfect" laptop of my dreams soon it seems. Now if only I liked W11...
The success of linux in this space is unfortunately tied to windows hardware success. The more traction ARM gets in the market, the more companies will want linux options, the better our support will be to flash over different operating systems.
If only more apps and games supported arm.
I'll just say my galaxy book edge with the x elite is the best laptop I've ever used. And for 799$ you honestly can't beat the quality and speed/efficiency for the price. Arm is finally not just viable but preferable for alot of use cases.
It's been crazy watching techies try to move the goal posts around on stuff like performance per watt. Just glad we're finally on a good track, and this should be a huge nudge towards better competition.
Been enjoying my Samsung as well!
Which device do you advise me to buy ?
OnePlus 11
Or
OnePlus 12r
I'm probably going to get a Thinkpad with the Elite for super cheap a year or so later.
Great video, thank you!
Love your understanding of the zip compression while on battery. Typical you.
bad timing, Juan, with how ARM is basically threatening Snapdragon to stop making processors
whoops
Dang! I didn't know this!
It's hilarious watching the two companies spar. ARM trying to make an example out of their biggest customer surely won't upset their other partners or hasten development on RISC.
Qualcomm played a stupid game with licensing (after being a ruthlessly punitive company with licensing their own IP), and now they're in the "finding out" part of the equation.
ESH.
They'll work it out, but they have to air all their dirty laundry first.
I love my Galaxy Book 4 Edge for all the reasons you listed, though specifically targeting development rather than video editing. The fact that I can grab my laptop and reliably do a full day of intensive work without worrying about the battery or performance makes it a better device than any of my x86 chips for that use case. I still have x86 gaming machines that I rely on for that task, but those are the right tool for that job! I appreciate that not everyone can have multiple devices, but it's all about weighing what you need most and getting the right device for you.
The only thing I don't really like about my Galaxy Book is that Samsung has absolutely terrible driver support. My Thinkpad x13s got driver updates pretty regularly, but I don't think I have gotten a single driver update for the Galaxy Book, and I'm fairly certain that at least an updated GPU driver was released in June or July for X Elite other devices =/
Well I can't say that's any better on a surface. I don't think we've gotten GPU driver updates yet either...
@@SomeGadgetGuy Just got a driver/bios update package. Supposedly it was published in late October though. The GPU driver is now 31.0.71.0 now, with a driver date of 8/27/2024
One miscellaneous thing I learned in this video is that Juan's PC name is still someaudioguy 👀
He's meaner than somegadgetguy. Couldn't let him go...
@@SomeGadgetGuyI respect that decision
Best thumbnail EVUR!!
WHOA MINDS ARE BLOWN!!!
🍿 this is going to be good
The first sentence of the video is a necessary statement.
It's just overhyped.
Except that it actually shows. The performance is there, we just need better software experience.
honestly I am just glad there are more option and tech is getting more interesting. Why not have different tools for different things? I have a gaming pc, a m1 macbook air for work and school, and a steam deck and switch for portable gaming. I also have a camera when I want good pics better than my phone. I don't know why people want everyone to use the same thing. I hope we get more ARM chips and software so we the consumer have more options and win!
I mean, now I think that's the way to be.
I've been advocating for more phone use in displacing laptops and game consoles, but it seems phone manufacturers are hellbent on adding more compute power, but REDUCING what we can do with that hardware and compute power.
If phone manufacturers wont give us better features to REALLY use these phone chips, we might as well buy cheaper phones AND own things like Steam Decks...
@@SomeGadgetGuy Yeah it really is a shame that so much power is wasted. I have an iPad pro and man does it feel like a waste or potential
I love this laptop(15 in x elite)..a little pricey but best buy ever,thanks
Same. It continues to impress. We JUST got new GPU drivers too!
@@SomeGadgetGuy imagine the version 2 of snapdragon coming end of year next year,from what Ive read,were talking crazy perf increase and a way better on board gpu. Now if microsoft adds oled to surface 7 2.0,we might be talking the best laptop ever.
I'm saving the video until my head is more clear. I'm sure you're killing it. And detailed!
Now here me out, no
WRECKED
CRUSHED!!!
Snapdragon x elite ❤️❤️🚀
prob;lem is trust in bloatware/spyware windows as an OS is tanking and on the wane
I explicitly use Windows and don't use arm yet, waiting for that to get even more competitive. so my machines have been exclusively Intel, aaannnnnnd Itel machines Fuc*************ing sucks.
I think we'll see GOOD prices on AMD and current Qualcomm early in 2025, and the rumors are pointing to NVIDIA making an ARM CPU late next year.
If you can hold out, I think the competition will REALLY heat up end of next year.
@@SomeGadgetGuy 🤞on Nvidia to help shake things up to push Qualcomm even further, I don't game but weirdly need a powerful GPU on the go, and SDX Elite can't cut it for me at the moment.
If the plugged in performance is superlative, and the unplugged performance is great but not superlative, what's the problem? Because you're not used to the drop in performance? Shouldn't it only be a problem if the unplugged performance is bad?
Because on the beefier gaming and workstation grade laptops, the unplugged performance is often quite poor. That clip I show of frame rate dropping to 30fps. What do you think happened there?
@@SomeGadgetGuy Gaming laptops come with beefy DGPUs so when unplugged they are destined to drop in performance. But they are a different class of laptops. There's no Snapdragon equivalent for them. For the iGPU laptops performance nowadays doesn't drop by much, especially for everyday tasks. Normally what happens is that the top performance mode doesn't run on battery, but you can still use the mid-level balanced mode. I feel that as long as performance is good, it is perfectly fine to drop the wattage going to the CPU to save battery power.
@@torpedospurs bingo
And then, why not use an architecture where you can use the top performance mode on battery? Your reply here cuts both ways and highlights what I talk about in terms of competition. It's silly to posture like one solution is the bestest for everyone. I have a CPU in this thing that outperforms 14th gen intel Core i9s, but does NOT scale down on battery. At all.
It's silly to pretend there aren't people out there who would appreciate that performance. There's a WIDE audience of people who are going to consider "top performance ONLY when plugged in" irrelevant. See also, the swing of people who dropped Windows laptops for Macs recently.
Everyone would appreciate it. They just don’t know it.