When the PPA/MLP contracts expire in about 18 months, UPA is unlikely to maintain current salary levels unless Tom Dundon or other wealthy owners are willing to absorb the costs to monopolize the best players. Regardless of the salaries offered by PPA/MLP, players will not sign exclusive contracts if they can earn more by competing on other tours like APP, UTR, and PWR when combining appearance fees and prize money. It is only because of the high salaries and exclusive contracts that professional pickleball players tolerate the indignities and incompetence of UPA’s management: playing without appropriate paddle standards, using balls produced by a startup granted manufacturing rights, lacking Hawkeye-style electronic line calls, dealing with inept serve rules, and often competing on courts with poor surfaces, inadequate lighting, insufficient spacing, and other shortcomings. UPA is the first soap opera I’ve ever found entertaining-I can’t wait for the next episode. Keep the trailers coming, Jilly B!
And where is APP going to get any money much less the money the PPA has?? Your dreaming. How much revenue did APP make last year . Answer: near nothing. No one is watching them. That 's like saying Minor league baseball will buy out the MLB. Reply
@@martinjohnson6510All you've done is given generic information that you have no idea about. If you going to post post specifics then add in actual facts
@@martinjohnson6510 If it's a better run organization than the UPA, and they treat their players better, I don't get why bigger name players don't sign with the APP. Especially when much of what UPA promised them hasn't materialized. Maybe this will change things. Plus, then need a union.
I WANT IT! Also, thank you both for providing such valuable insights into the behind-the-scenes happenings, especially for those of us who have sensed things might be going south for the UPA, PPA, and MLP. While it's unsettling, you did an excellent job of staying focused on the game and helping so many of us amateurs by offering actionable advice to improve our skills. Thanks again for all You do!
There is a long list of players I have heard taking adderall, yes. It has a dehydrating effect which is not great in the heat and has had some backfiring downsides for some players, but the tours are still not starting drug testing for a while, and even if they did, Adderall would probably still be allowed with a prescription.
This subject needs so much more conversation thank you guys for putting it at the forefront... Also while everyone is discussing what these organizations are doing it is also up to prolific players to make a difference and take a stand on fair practice
I love you two girls! Always great insight on what’s going on in the pickleball world and not afraid of telling the truth on the inside workings of the sport. Keep it up 👍
Awesome new pod, JillyB and KW! I’m so glad you’re focusing on TH-cam in 2025 because your fans all around the world just haven’t met you yet. PS: I want it! Happy New Year from south of the border!
I want it 😀 .... Thanks for breaking it all down. Not that it affects me, but hope it doesn't hinder the growth of pickleball from the professional standpoint!
I want it! Love the pod and the one with the other Scott 😉 Super interested and glad someone is talking about the dirty little secrets behind the scenes that will make a huge impact on the way we watch 🥒🎾 in 2025.
Sure, Players not good enough to compete in MLP or PPA dishing the UPA- What else is new 🥱 PPA and MLP are not perfect but they are constantly evolving and by FAR the most superior product in Pickleball. So let’s quit pretending that doomsday is near and there is a better alternative.
I want it! The UPA loan stuff is drumming up some controversy, but I think you were being pretty clear what you knew and what was things you heard and what was speculation.
I remember a conversation in Mexico with Kristin about power. She had noted that I had power to spare. I was like "so are you saying I have great power," *spiderman reference*. She was like, "yea, but someone like me has limited power." I am so glad she is now able to tap into her unlimited power! Even back then her drives were no joke.
Jill. In the past you have championed player unity and organization. Has that stalled? The ppa mlp upa and this guy Bardo seem intent on killing the goose with the golden eggs. When will the players ban together and get involved. Think the PGA or ATP.
@jillybpickleball right!? I even tried to have them send it to a friend who is in Florida for 3 months. Nope. They said because the billing address is canadian, it's a no. They are seriously missing out on business. Pickleball is joy! 😁
You guys are great! I have a favor to ask, can you please reduce the number of ad's? Fewer and longer, maybe? It seemed like I was just getting into the subject and interrupted by an ad, and again, and again. I want you guys to make $$$$$$ for your wonderful hard work but as a consumer is there something you can do to improve the user experience? Thank you for your consideration.
Thank you for asking. It's hard to control what youtube throws in there, but we will look into it. I know the volumes don't always match either, but we can only control so much. Thanks for listening.
Very interesting info, but why wouldn't CP just reach into his billions and fix the financials in the blink of an eye? Also Kristin, please stop interupting Jilly so much, it makes it hard to watch!
Interesting, with the "pay us to be certified" thing. They do the same thing to bowling ball manufacturers -- to be certified for use on the PBA Tour, a ball maker has to pay.
@ Ya. With a bowling ball, the brand/logo is always positioned so that it’ll be straight at the camera on a TV match! With a paddle, I suppose the argument is that when PBTV interviews the players, they’re usually holding their paddle conspicuously. I don’t really see why that needs to be a reason to shake them down for big bucks… but I guess the whole thing is about bucks, why am I kidding myself?
I love going to the PPA and MLP tournaments but I can tell they are running it in a very strange way. Unorganized with where people sit with tickets. They had us move multiple times not knowing where to sit people. I felt bad for the older folks with cane's etc. As a amateur player it is so disorganized. I will say they were decent at refunding tickets for things that were canceled. Lots of things.
APP hardly is is a pro circuit. They may have lots of players but they are 99% minor league players. JillY you have an agenda like they didnt want you in the PPA where the top pros play. SO if you think magically the APP will have some miracle to pay any real salaries not likely.
@@stevenkraslen6649yep. Hunter Johnson is a recent example. There are others who absolutely destroyed Ben Johns in singles that are still playing the APP. Those who go to the PPA are not going to the PPA because it is better, they are doing it for financial security. Granted, at the beginning of 2024, they didn't pay anyone for months.
@@stevenkraslen6649 I never said they didn't but APP has no money to offer the top pros. AP is just minor leagues for the PPA and there is nothing wrong with that. But to think the minor league will do better with making money than the major league is just fantasy.
You forgot to mention us the buyers of paddles. Imagine buying an approved paddle for $300 to get used to it to it becoming illegal and having to buy another paddle or two to figure out a close feel of the other paddle. We did get a full refund but had to try out a couple only for them to release essentially the same paddle (less spin though) where we spent another $300 to find out 5 months later that we arent getting a full refund and maybe 50% off another paddle we may or may not like and then there is an arbitrary date of purchase requirement. It seems I may not be eligible because I bought it when it first came out instead of waiting 4 months or so. That company who had a $200 million lawsuit (that's the number I heard) now seems to be working with the certifying bodies. I cant use my paddle without other players making comments (following the lead from comments by pro players). I will have now changed paddles 6 times in the past 6 months. Forrest Gump had to tell a little white lie because he didnt want to give up what he was used to but his mamma wanted him to have the money! This is a clown show. Let them fail. Get them out. But yeah I want it! :)
When the PPA/MLP contracts expire in about 18 months, UPA is unlikely to maintain current salary levels unless Tom Dundon or other wealthy owners are willing to absorb the costs to monopolize the best players. Regardless of the salaries offered by PPA/MLP, players will not sign exclusive contracts if they can earn more by competing on other tours like APP, UTR, and PWR when combining appearance fees and prize money. It is only because of the high salaries and exclusive contracts that professional pickleball players tolerate the indignities and incompetence of UPA’s management: playing without appropriate paddle standards, using balls produced by a startup granted manufacturing rights, lacking Hawkeye-style electronic line calls, dealing with inept serve rules, and often competing on courts with poor surfaces, inadequate lighting, insufficient spacing, and other shortcomings.
UPA is the first soap opera I’ve ever found entertaining-I can’t wait for the next episode. Keep the trailers coming, Jilly B!
🎉 100!!!!
And where is APP going to get any money much less the money the PPA has?? Your dreaming. How much revenue did APP make last year . Answer: near nothing. No one is watching them. That 's like saying Minor league baseball will buy out the MLB.
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Great comment with a lot of truths. Thank you. Unfortunately with this soap opera, it's the players that get screwed.
@@martinjohnson6510All you've done is given generic information that you have no idea about. If you going to post post specifics then add in actual facts
@@martinjohnson6510 If it's a better run organization than the UPA, and they treat their players better, I don't get why bigger name players don't sign with the APP. Especially when much of what UPA promised them hasn't materialized. Maybe this will change things. Plus, then need a union.
I WANT IT!
Also, thank you both for providing such valuable insights into the behind-the-scenes happenings, especially for those of us who have sensed things might be going south for the UPA, PPA, and MLP. While it's unsettling, you did an excellent job of staying focused on the game and helping so many of us amateurs by offering actionable advice to improve our skills.
Thanks again for all
You do!
Appreciate you!
The pod is such a breathe of fresh air in a crowded space. “I want it”
HNY Everyone!
Since you seem to fear no topic... I have a question. Is Adderall usage as big of an issue with pro's as rumored? If so, should there be testing?
There is a long list of players I have heard taking adderall, yes. It has a dehydrating effect which is not great in the heat and has had some backfiring downsides for some players, but the tours are still not starting drug testing for a while, and even if they did, Adderall would probably still be allowed with a prescription.
@ 👍 Thank you for the response.
I WANT IT ....... Jill, tell Mom I'll help clean out your paddle studio 😂
Haha. Maybe that's our next giveaway... the paddle studio yard sale!
@ If so, I’m there! Haha
And best of luck at The Masters!
Great show ladies. Love the content that you are brave enough to discuss. Keep up the great work!
This subject needs so much more conversation thank you guys for putting it at the forefront... Also while everyone is discussing what these organizations are doing it is also up to prolific players to make a difference and take a stand on fair practice
I love you two girls! Always great insight on what’s going on in the pickleball world and not afraid of telling the truth on the inside workings of the sport. Keep it up 👍
Thanks Vinny. Always great to see such an outcry of support.
Awesome new pod, JillyB and KW! I’m so glad you’re focusing on TH-cam in 2025 because your fans all around the world just haven’t met you yet.
PS: I want it!
Happy New Year from south of the border!
Happy New Year, Lorna!
Hope MLP can breakthrough huge and give us a team to get behind here in so cal! Go Mad Drops & Hard Eights!
Yes! Keep rooting for them!
can't wait to see what 2025 has in the bags! let's go! and I WANT IT
Another smart, great, well produced, podcast. Keep them coming. Happy New Year!
Thank you.
I want it! 🎉 thank you for your insight in the podcast! It made sense to me!
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Ladies, add me to that 2025 players to watch list! Hahaha ... I want it!
I want it. Entertaining and informative.
Toes goes, love it and going to use that mindset! I want it!
It's a flawless game thought!
I want it 😀 .... Thanks for breaking it all down. Not that it affects me, but hope it doesn't hinder the growth of pickleball from the professional standpoint!
Yes. I firmly believe in the power of the game and the growth of the pro game. It needs better leadership.
I want it! Love the pod and the one with the other Scott 😉
Super interested and glad someone is talking about the dirty little secrets behind the scenes that will make a huge impact on the way we watch 🥒🎾 in 2025.
Scott is a powerful name in pickleball!
@@jillybpickleball Jilly B is a powerful name in pickleball!
Sure, Players not good enough to compete in MLP or PPA dishing the UPA- What else is new 🥱
PPA and MLP are not perfect but they are constantly evolving and by FAR the most superior
product in Pickleball. So let’s quit pretending that doomsday is near and there is a better alternative.
Love the pod. I want it!
I want it! The UPA loan stuff is drumming up some controversy, but I think you were being pretty clear what you knew and what was things you heard and what was speculation.
Thanks. I definitely didn't expect this extreme of a reaction from them to say the least.
I want it! Thanks for the opportunity ladies!
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@@jillybpickleball Amazing! Thank you Jill! Thank you Kristin!
I remember a conversation in Mexico with Kristin about power. She had noted that I had power to spare. I was like "so are you saying I have great power," *spiderman reference*. She was like, "yea, but someone like me has limited power." I am so glad she is now able to tap into her unlimited power! Even back then her drives were no joke.
Haha! Yes. Height does have it's advantages in the world of leverage. But as Kristin always tells me in golf, it's all about efficiency of motion.
@jillybpickleball she told me that to! Actually been working on that to great effect!
Let's just bring back the wooden paddles! Lol! I want it!
K Dubs is ready for it.
I want it! Thank you!
Hope they play their cards as good as you play pickleball Jill ... I want it
Ha. I see what you did there.
I want it.... Another great episode. and a give away too awesome!
2025 I want it!
I WANT IT - Here for the fireworks. Saw the PPA's response before I knew what Jill put out there! PREACH!!!
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Im happy the players have benefited, but the tour wars and resulting high G&A costs and very little revenue is just too much for the tour to bear.
I want it, NOW, let's go!!!
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Really good pod. I want it!
I WANT IT…a paddle to clarify 😊
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How come you don’t mention that gamma is sinking and let go pretty much all of their pros and senior pros except you and your 2 year contract
I want it! Gotta have it..
Jill. In the past you have championed player unity and organization. Has that stalled? The ppa mlp upa and this guy Bardo seem intent on killing the goose with the golden eggs. When will the players ban together and get involved. Think the PGA or ATP.
We need big name players (like Djokovic did in tennis) to step up.
yes, I want it~
I want it!!!!! Pretty please with sugar on top!....
Good report.
more clinics! I want it
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I WANT IT! I live in Canada and Gamma doesn't ship here 😢 I have tried many times. Pick me! 😊
oh snap! Not sure why canada is so tough... It's Right there! haha
@jillybpickleball right!? I even tried to have them send it to a friend who is in Florida for 3 months. Nope. They said because the billing address is canadian, it's a no. They are seriously missing out on business. Pickleball is joy! 😁
OOH I WANT IT
You guys are great! I have a favor to ask, can you please reduce the number of ad's? Fewer and longer, maybe? It seemed like I was just getting into the subject and interrupted by an ad, and again, and again. I want you guys to make $$$$$$ for your wonderful hard work but as a consumer is there something you can do to improve the user experience? Thank you for your consideration.
Thank you for asking. It's hard to control what youtube throws in there, but we will look into it. I know the volumes don't always match either, but we can only control so much. Thanks for listening.
I want it! Let’s go!!
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Very interesting info, but why wouldn't CP just reach into his billions and fix the financials in the blink of an eye? Also Kristin, please stop interupting Jilly so much, it makes it hard to watch!
She’s always telling me that, but, you know, I just can’t help myself. 🤷♀️
I want it🎉 love you guys you keep it real!
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@@jillybpickleball fantastic thank you Jill and Kristin ❤.
@@jillybpickleball sent email a few days ago!
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Happy New Year ladies! 🎉
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Interesting, with the "pay us to be certified" thing. They do the same thing to bowling ball manufacturers -- to be certified for use on the PBA Tour, a ball maker has to pay.
Yes, there should obviously be a fee, but what that fee is based on is the real question.
@ Ya. With a bowling ball, the brand/logo is always positioned so that it’ll be straight at the camera on a TV match! With a paddle, I suppose the argument is that when PBTV interviews the players, they’re usually holding their paddle conspicuously. I don’t really see why that needs to be a reason to shake them down for big bucks… but I guess the whole thing is about bucks, why am I kidding myself?
I want it! Please 🤗
I want it! Keep doing you Jill!
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I won it on TH-cam!
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I love going to the PPA and MLP tournaments but I can tell they are running it in a very strange way. Unorganized with where people sit with tickets. They had us move multiple times not knowing where to sit people. I felt bad for the older folks with cane's etc.
As a amateur player it is so disorganized. I will say they were decent at refunding tickets for things that were canceled. Lots of things.
This was my experience with the finals. It was very chaotic and difficult to get down to the courts to play matches.
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APP hardly is is a pro circuit. They may have lots of players but they are 99% minor league players. JillY you have an agenda like they didnt want you in the PPA where the top pros play. SO if you think magically the APP will have some miracle to pay any real salaries not likely.
Jilly better hope the PPA makes it. If the pros from the PPA all go to the APP she will never even make it out of quarters ever again
The coolaid is fun to drink until you realize there is poison in it and you realize too late you been brainwashed into a cult suicide.
There are plenty of APP players went to the PPA because of the contracts being offered.
@@stevenkraslen6649yep. Hunter Johnson is a recent example. There are others who absolutely destroyed Ben Johns in singles that are still playing the APP. Those who go to the PPA are not going to the PPA because it is better, they are doing it for financial security. Granted, at the beginning of 2024, they didn't pay anyone for months.
@@stevenkraslen6649 I never said they didn't but APP has no money to offer the top pros. AP is just minor leagues for the PPA and there is nothing wrong with that. But to think the minor league will do better with making money than the major league is just fantasy.
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Oh no, not Paddlegate...
it never ends...
you had until you started talking about cats...jeez
meow 🐈
You forgot to mention us the buyers of paddles. Imagine buying an approved paddle for $300 to get used to it to it becoming illegal and having to buy another paddle or two to figure out a close feel of the other paddle. We did get a full refund but had to try out a couple only for them to release essentially the same paddle (less spin though) where we spent another $300 to find out 5 months later that we arent getting a full refund and maybe 50% off another paddle we may or may not like and then there is an arbitrary date of purchase requirement. It seems I may not be eligible because I bought it when it first came out instead of waiting 4 months or so. That company who had a $200 million lawsuit (that's the number I heard) now seems to be working with the certifying bodies. I cant use my paddle without other players making comments (following the lead from comments by pro players). I will have now changed paddles 6 times in the past 6 months. Forrest Gump had to tell a little white lie because he didnt want to give up what he was used to but his mamma wanted him to have the money! This is a clown show. Let them fail. Get them out. But yeah I want it! :)
Thanks for your comment, Clint. I totally echo your frustration.
Yo I want it.
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Yes. ❤
This podcast reminds me so much of SNL delicious dish. TH-cam it and like if you agree 😂
Schweddy (pickle)balls?
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Sounds like a wannabe "pro" not up to being a top level pro just throwing shade. 🥱