The Story of Duncan Idaho | Dune Lore
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Learn the story of Duncan Idaho and the many lives he's given in humanity's service in Frank Herbert's Dune
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Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:53 - Duncan, the Swordmaster
8:00 - The Ghola Hayt
15:47 - Service to the God-Emperor
21:58 - Final Fortune
32:20 - Outro
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Hey all; an error in audio mixing clipped the end of a couple words in this video - my apologies. What character or topic do you want to explore next?
The only truly original character of the last 2 of Frank's books. Miles Teg
Where exactly does it say that he grew up on Geidi Prime? That seems to be confused with Gurney or I'm simply missing something. I don't remember reading that anywhere. Any clarification would be appreciated
@@digitalbookworm5678 Miles Teg would be great, he truly is an amazing character -- but I think Siona was also pretty original, don't you?
duncan idaho sounds so much like a spaghetti western cowboy name
@@tadbennet3087 in the expanded universe books that are prequels to the original dune. He lives in Harko city and after his family is killed he is taken to be hunted by Rabban because he likes hunting kids. He escapes and ends up on Caladan. But i don't remember a sister either.
During his 1001st life Duncan opens his first donut shop and so began his quest for true freedom and financial wealth.
😂
And his first spare tire stomach@@martinmoylan9394
America runs on Idaho
“Duncan Donuts” for real 😂
Right next to his new best friend's shop, BOB'S BURGERS
Idaho is the sole human witness staying across the age-long dreams of the Atreides dinasty
He is the audience!
Except that whatever is the current Duncan is missing SOME of his memories, no? The Tleilax always had a spare ready to go...
The God Emperor knows all...even when Duncan took a fart
@@mattiavelli Yes they were always just cheap imitations the entire plot is bunk.
Kind of funny how the ultimate protagonist and hero of the series dies early in the first book.
No worries he will come back for the third movie
And told after being essentially pimp slapped he was "just an older model."
Ned Stark. 👌
It's just the Jesus trope, it isn't that mysterious.
@@DeathBYDesign666 It's the Yeshua trope in the same way that a lobster shitting in the sea encompasses all Poseidon tropes.
Duncan’s story is of the triumph of morality over cruelty. He is tested again and again, through thousands of years and countless lifetimes, he never submitted to tyranny, never comprised his beliefs. And through through his boundless humanity he saves humanity.
He’s a warrior greater than a dozen Sardukar a man respected by Ferman
He's also, sadly, a slave.
He did get a bit whiney and immature in god emperor but made up for it in heretics lol. Sexual domination ehh I’m about to flip you over and turn the tables 😅
Frank Herbert: Over reliance on resources and thinking machines will be the doom of human civilisation, only through the unparalleled humanity of Duncan Idaho can the species hope for a peaceful existence.
Brian Herbert: What if he was a cyborg too? That sounds nice.
Brian, the literary equivalent of a trust fund kid
😂
Duncan Idaho is so funny, it makes me think of the entire state of Idaho completely filled with Dunkin Donuts
😂😂😂 can’t get that out of my mind now every time I hear Duncan Idaho
How childish
I choked on my pepsi lmfao
@@KentuckyBrad goofy fish cat
Gee, that's a 'funny' thought...and so original!
Came here to learn about the back story of Duncan Idaho…. Left absolutely fuckin mind blown.
It's an addictive franchise truly. I know most of it but have yet to read the entirety, I swear I will though!
@@other-terrestriallifeform1851Me too watch a ton of content on it 😅
Idaho in Dune: cool warrior gets drunk and ends killing like 20 "behind camera"
Idaho in the rest of the books: fcking Neo in the 1000 cycle of Zion
That makes no sense. We’re you writing in English?
It’s obviously English. Do you understand English?
This is obviosly not English. Are you a jokester?
Idaho was integral to letos golden path, his honor was attreides honor, and Leto felt this was the best for all humanity.
Duncan Idaho's point work with the Fremen before full Atreides arrival on Arrakis was kinda glossed over a bit in the first film.
Having not read the books, I could tell there was a lot there. Honestly, that kind of thing makes for a great spin-off / supplementary movie!
There is so much in the Doom books, they could only include so much of it, but at least he got a bad ass death like it deserved. I like the Lynch movie for what it is and nostalgia, but he did not get what he deserved in that movie.
Jason Momoa is about to make so much money
I hope Denis doesn’t go down this route. It’d make the movie seem like it’s too much science fiction even for Dune
@@theamericandream5917 Nope. Sorry. I hope he does. He hasn't had any chill so far. It would suck if he started at the movie where it's supposed to get batshit insane.
@theamericandream5917 what the fuck are you talking about
You know what a gold navigator is? What the kwisatz haderach final form is?
Genuinely, you don't have any idea of what you're talking about
Bro is debating what is too science fiction while he doesn't even consume the media
I don't think momoa is reprising that role (His age)
@@KHfan0011 Honestly I'm a new Dune fan and I am so here for batshit insane. It has felt tame and cool so far but after listening to this video and thinking of the prospects I am totally ready for Denis to let it go full send.
So glad I found this channel. Y'all are up there with Alt Shift X, the Templin Institute, and Quinn's Ideas for my scifi fix. Keep it up!
right!
I appreciate it and am glad you enjoy the Dune content!
If you're looking for quality Dune content check out Doc Sloan's Science Fiction Station channel.
On it you'll find Doc's PHd thesis on Dune. It's themes, place in SciFi history, influences and character analysis.
I really like his three part series which traces the Greek myth origins of the Curse of House Atradis.
He also does a weekly book club. As of now we're on Messiah with intention to do all six original books.
We'd love to see you there.
One of the Ducans led the remainder of the Sardukar in a rebellion...ironic considering how he died the first time.
Idaho escaped while being hunted for sport by Rabban Harkonen. He killed more than one man and left Geidi Prime with the help of a woman who was betrayed by Rabban. He traveled to Caladan. After being dropped off on the southern continent,he crossed the ocean on a fishing boat,and walked half the length of the northern continent to find Duke Paulus and Leto Atreides. Duncan was eight, Leto was fourteen.
''the Duncans'' will always crack me up.
He didn't have 1000 lives, no one knows how many lives he had, he and Siona however had a 1000 sons. That's where GW got the idea for the thousand sons army.
@@jimclark2824 No it didn't, its in the novels, Duncan and Siona has 1000 sons and 9 daughters.
@@bobbobertbobberton1073the Duncan's were continually having children with the fish speakers all during his thousand year reign. Leto II even tells him Siona and the Atreides commander (cant remember his name) are both decedents of past Duncan's
Duncan was the true KH. It begs the question that in fact Duncan is the physical manifestation of free will. He's the only one that has in fact defied Prescience.
@IdgaradLyracant
Ehhh, Idk the validity of saying “Duncan is the physical manifestation of free will” when he is cloned/resurrected/brought back so many times. It’s not like he chooses to do that on his own. That type of control over someone is the opposite of physical free will.
@@Joce-bl7qi Of all the characters, he's the only one that appears to have made an actual choice that wasn't bound by prescience.
@@IdgaradLyracant that is not true at all tho. In God Emporer, Letho knew what role he played and he played exactly that role.
Considering one of the main goals of the Golden Path was to make humanity immune to a KH by being invisible to prescience, I'd say BH and KJA shit all over The Dune Series.
Water Worms? Oracle of time? Good Lord. Not only did they need a deus ex machina (duncan the ultimate KH), they needed ANOTHER deus ex machina (oracle of time) to defeat Omnious. Their books are fan fiction that cater to 15-year-olds. Kralizek was a battle against prescient hunter-seekers, not full-blown sentient computers.
Impressive summation of Idaho, catching the far reaching purpose of his reiterations, a concise self manifestation of the multi lives. Your work helped me pull together the path envisioned by the writer(s) from the beginning. Thanks.
Think of it in video game terms. Save the final one, the Gholas’ memories at “birth” all went right up until at the death of the original. So that was the base “safe file”. They wouldn’t remember the memories of the gholas that came before them, only that of the original. It wasn’t until the final ghola that he was able to remember ALL the memories of the gholas that came before.
Fans of Invincible would also be able to recognize this trope from a character who has exactly this happen to him, but his body is secretly an android with a bit of brain inside.
Final Idaho was the only one with Kwiswatz Haderach powers,which give him access to all his ancestors ' memory
Loved this entire vid. Well written and presented. I wish a longform was made into a kinda movie with a plus effects
I really enjoyed your combination of quotes and images to punctuate your analysis.
Well done! That’s a great deal of work and well delivered
Appreciate it, glad you enjoyed
I still think he should have been played by Sean Bean in the newer films.
It’s the role he was born for.
😂😂😂😂😂
Sean Bean is way too old for this part
Sean Bean is way too old and way too white...Jason Momoa fits the book description of Duncan Idaho perfectly imo (dark, curly haired, good looking, etc.)
@@koko40800pretty sure they were making a joke not an actual suggestion. The character continuously dies, just like 90% of Sean Bean’s roles.
@@chrisa7905We're running out of living actors who are known for dying over and over.
Duncan pledged his undying loyalty to House Atreides but he didnt realize how undying it would be
dude, this was really good
Glad you enjoyed!
Duncan was playing Dark Souls while everyone else was playing Stellaris.
That was fascinating!
Fantastic video 👌
It took two releases 3 years apart to adapt the first book. I don't know the scale of the later books but even if they can cram in 1 book per movie, Jason Momoa is still going to need his own ghola to do them all.
In the new version Duncan Idaho is by far my favorite character
One of the cruelest fates of about any character in fiction
Exactly, in fact being resurrected over and over again is far worse than death itself. At least Leto I and Paul were able to find peace. I do feel bad for Duncan as he watch everyone he knew and love die like files!
"(Thinks of Guts & wonder's of this is true)"
@@WyattDucar He wasn't resurrected, he was cloned. They just have their past memories awakened.
There is no resurrection in this series. Once you die, you die.
@@imnotacat5299eh semantics. He’s a clone with all his memories so he’s still the same person technically. Died and now he’s back. Resurrection
@@imnotacat5299 Consider 'God Emeperor of Dune' , If you knew that you would be cloned (a Ghola) and each life you lived was essentially predestined to be killed by the person who keeps on cloning you and that you would eventually be nothing more than a curio from a bygone era I imagine that would be worse then death. Also, each of the Clones eventually does find out the truth and the person cloning you knows it as does his advisors. It's kind of the darkest inside joke ever.
This is awesome! I found this channel from being a lover of lore and MTG helped my find you. I kinda ghosted MTG and D&D content about a year ago due to the foul taste the company left me with. However always loved your content and im glad to see i have a reason to come back with some other lore i love. ❤
Appreciate and so glad you enjoy the Dune content! MTG has also lifted in my eye, which is why I'm branching out even though I still enjoy its old stories. Any content suggestions worth exploring?
I haven't finished reading the original works through yet to look at expanded universe material. I plan to fully embrace the entire course of collective work with my whole heart. DUNE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST 👌 😊 👍
Thanks. They couldn't have had all the Idaho ghola cells, yet he had all those memories. Never explained. Also, Daniel & Marty were NOT robots, they were face dancers who'd become independent. tavi.
I confess I always mistake him with Gurney Halleck. Both are from Giedi Prime, both lost at least one family member because of the Harkonen, both want to kill Raban, and both are great swordfighters. I mean, appart of that, yes, they are totally different. ;)
Was Gurney a SwordMaster too?
Yeah.. a big failure of story writing.
@@ugoeze7360No, not a trained sword master
Gurney plays the baliset and has a scar. Big difference!
Gurney was the war master not the sword master. Perhaps some overlap in their roles. Gurney was more of an all rounder with skills encompassing military strategy and utilising lazgun.
nice one dude
Only Robocop can understand the pain of Duncan. Work after death
The Sadukar "I know you, you're dead, we killed you."... visible confusion.
Duncan was always the KH, but the BG never factored a Ghola into the equation 😂
I love that we get to see most of this played out on screen. If u haven't seen the old sci-fi channels presentation of Dune & children of dune. U must find and watch! They were mini series not movies. Simply incredible! Bad effects and budget. But the story progression and the actors make it more than watchable.
So Gurnie and Duncan have the same backstory? Slaves to the Harconans, and their sisters murdered.
I love your videos! What is the name of the beginning background music you guys use? It sounds so epic and majestic.
Glad you enjoyed! It is a unique composition made for the channel by a personal friend
@@TheLorebrarians You guys got me into liking Magic! My favorite by you guys are the Guilds of Ravnica and the deep dive of my favorite Magic character Lilliana Vess.
@@avalontheeldritchwhorror8212 love to hear it! Magic has so many unique worlds and stories to explore, plus a great game to play
“You’ll die Duncan.”
“Never stopped me before.”
20:30 I think it speaks very well to the humanity of Idaho himself.
Where can i find some of the artwork shown in the video? It is quite pleasing
Duncan was not unequal in sword fighting, Gurney Hallek was better, even Duncan admitted so saying Gurney would beat him 7/10 times.
I think that was more out of respect than truth
@@ScottSmith-jz8zv No it wasn't.
Gurney is trash
@@bobbobertbobberton1073did you even watch the video? He says many times Gurney is better
@@KyleErrington-bw2cl Didn't watch it all, but him being 'unequal in sword fighting' was enough for me to comment what I did.
Rory and
Marty are free to enjoy a true adventure
Duncan Idaho keeps going & going & going.
*someone* breathes
*someone else* “well, guess I better revive Duncan Idaho”
while a lot of people don't considered Brian's books cannon, I rather like the way he tied the story up
greg doucette, i wish i saw this video sooner. Coming out of a semi toxic relationship seeing your video makes me feel less bad about breaking up.
There're plenty of fish in the sea! Good luck!
Dune: aka generational curses the epic
Did you mix Duncan up with Gurney and his sister?
Imagine being so good at what you do that even after you die, you're not allowed to stay dead. That's why everyone should embrace the mid! Haha
TH-cam asked me to give a feedback on your comment
What does that mean
@@TheChronozoan meditate on it bra
Can’t wait till u guys meet Miles Teg..
The witches suspected we didn’t even go to the “same” universe when we folded space. I doubt frank went to all that trouble to get Duncan out there like that just too turn around. Those new books are not good things
I think this channel should get into the 3 bodies problem
Just watch Quinns Ideas for 3BP
Kind of messed up to put a disclaimer for spoilers in the description but have one blatantly and unavoidably in the thumbnail.
Think about making a never ending TV series about Duncan Idaho
I would be like some old TV series with over a 1000 episodes
Frank Herbert: omniscient rulers bad question everything maybe take them out even? Yeah
His kid: HEY LOOK A COOL GODKING HAHAHA
Good video.
A few nitpicks.
The ghola aren’t “artificial” they are very specific creation that is biological in their creation, unlike clones.
The duncan homophobia mini-arc is always hilarious to me🤣
Its funnier than that because it wasnt homophobia, it was actually supressed instances of recurring feelings of homosexual attraction that Duncan always had
I'm gonna watch the rest of the video but I have to say, very easy to mix up gurney halecks early life and Duncan Idaho's 😂
Duncan Idaho moved to Texas and started playing basketball in the mid 90's and changed his name to Tim Duncan.
Every young guys secret dream is to get into a badass sword fight. This dude just lived it.
Duncan Idaho, THE Swordmaster of Ginaz? Yeah, na, yeah: he was trained by the Swordmasters of the Ginaz and thus could be considered A Swordmaster of the Ginaz but not THE.
There is one mistake and that's when you said Leto orchestrated his death. He purposefully avoided looking at his death, and states it multiple times in the book. He states that it is the ultimate surprise whic he reserves for himself
You're alive?
"The Dark Side of the sand is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
- Duncan Idaho
Anakin "I hate sand, it's course rough and gets everywhere" laughs in Fremen
If you're new to dune. Meaning you've only seen the new ones, but loved em. And you haven't read Frank Herbert's beloved books. Then you simply must watch the sci-fi presentations of Dune and Children of dune. So much more detail. Both are 3dics long so you get alot of the stuff you missed from the books.
I want a whole movie that revolves around the sardukar those guys F.
in Gaelic Duncan means tanned/brown warrior, I think Frank Herbert might of know this when creating the character
I would only imagine Jason Momoa as Duncan resurrected many times. It's getting really weird by the moment. Lol 😆
18:15 "why keep an idaho ghola" to ensure the atreides line never strays too far from human and has "Atreides loyalty" constantly bred back in.
Its like breeding dogs and every so mamy generations readding wolf to the line
The majority of duncans deaths was just leto rolling over
I believe I heard there will be a third “Dune” movie.since Duncan Idaho is reborn again and again, I hope this means we get to see David Momoa again.
Jason…? 😅
It's kind of a surprise that Herbert's sons didn't work Paul and Leto II into the dna mix of the eventual final Duncan...
Indeed
Guess he really knew how to use his blade with Alia
Interesting. I'm unsure how it's more advantageous to have memory access to all of your own cloned lives (across a few millenia), over how Reverend Mothers have access to all other people in their position (across tens of millenia)? Surely the later is much more divergant and has increased wealth to draw from?
"Dun" in Dune is the acronym for Duncan
DUNC
Duncan Idaho is the Kenny of the Dune universe....😂😂😂
'You killed Duncan! Again!"
Train your heart to failure harder than last time.
Is Duncan who inspired GRRM's Duncan the tall?
Paul knew what the face dancers were up to all along. He knew Duncan would make the right choice in the end. He was playing the long game.
"Moves & counter moves"
"You fought in the clone wars?"
I have read that Brian Herbert found his father's old notes (locked in a safe), which outlined the storyline found in thge remaining 2 books.....& completed the Frank's Dune story of fiction.
That is what Brian Herbert claims. If they exist, he ignored the notes. I don't have the energy right now to list all the ways BH jumped the shark. If you read anything from BH, stick to his prequels and enjoy them as the fan fiction they are. Absolutely stay away from the 2 books he wrote to finish the Dune Series. They are maddening to even hear talked about. Utter trash.
Side Note: If Frank Herbert's notes actually existed, Brian Herber would have made an absolute FORTUNE releasing those notes. Especially if he used them in an appendix to the books where he references parts of the book and how they relate to FH's notes. Obviously, he did not do this. He has never made them public. He just says "Trust me bro..."
@@jimclark2824 Hmmm! I still like the 2 last books, from a fictional story-telling aspect. But thanks for your reply.
@@jimclark2824 OR, Brian considered the notes private and confidential material, never to be released...Who says YOU have the right to see the notes??
@@koko40800 yeah... private notes, but turned them into a book for profit. Go away troll
@@jimclark2824 hard to believe a son would purposely lie about and misrepresent his father, or his father's works...especially considering the fact that FH's works were the best selling (and most read) Sci Fi novels of all time, and therefore there would be many critics of Brian and Kevin's work...including trolls like you who call them 'trash' when you probably couldn't imagine or write anything nearly that good yourself...aaah, the critics!
Duncan is described as being a tall, muscular athletic build, dark skinned black man with thick whooly hair with a face that most women were instinctually sexually attracted to
The ultimate Yarmulka Kreplach
May be you should read the House of Atrades again
They need to do a Duncan Idaho movie ... They could do the fremin years with him 1st at arakis finding the fremin and flash backs and other the options are infinite but it needs done . 😎🤟Allways been my all time Fave character
Fremen - sorry but as I worship the books I couldn’t help myself 😂
Dumb
@@thearmchairjournalist566 I know I know as a book audio worshiper I'm apauled at my grammar 🤣
@@danielestevao5 that's reply is dumb melt 🫠
So Duncan Idaho= Jango Fett?
I have to ask : should you pronounce Matres “M-ah-ter”, like “Mother” in latin?
I thought it was pronounced Mate’ers
Plural: Matres
Great question. Pronunciation in Dune is always a divisive topic. As there are few instances of "this is definitely how it's pronounced" I leave it to this: I'll pronounce them how I will, and you will pronounce them how you will.
I love your content, truly, but please invest in a high quality pop filter or something.
Getting some rough peaking on "s" and "f"
To my mind the books started to falter the further they moved from the Atreides. The whole thing with Duncan being the "ultimate" Kwisatz Haderach killed if for me. Herbert's son, who cowrote the later books said they were working from Frank Herbert's notes but I like many fans have called bullshit over the years.
Someone missed an opportunity to name a character "Duncan Dune Nut"
It seems man will always struggle against its own creations ..
Loyalty is the one word? I thought the one word was undying... I know better than trying to think
Every time you say matres wrong a part of my soul dies.
What judge is he talking about that lost their husband?
So in the end duncan created the borg?