Is Morrissey's autobiography any good?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Krishnan talks about Morrissey's new autobiography with writer and broadcaster, Amy Lamé - a die-hard Morrissey fan. And the author and journalist, Tim Lott..with a little help from Jon Snow.
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Lets talk about a book which we haven't read.
Exactly - this is pure tosh !
And call it a "classic" even though nobody's read it.
This man is already forgotten. Morrissey will forever be relevant.
Bet Tim's not happy about Bob Dylan's Nobel.
That Lott guy had no place to talk about anything in this, regardless of if you are a fan of Morrissey or not, to talk in such a way is completely disreprectful and even quite ignorant. Morrissey has been writing for a long, he's worked very hard and his writings are good. So what you're a published author on the classics? Stop trying to make yourself seem like a massive big deal? This is the same debate in the art world, "oh I spent a month on this painting and your 1 hour painting is in the gallery and not mine how dare you!" - "yeah, but my painting is now more liked than yours"
Tim Lott is a right mook, I've never even heard of him and are we forgetting Morrissey's many decades of literary output?
Just finished it ... and it's a classic.
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Took me a while longer to get round to reading the book but I agree, well written and worthy of being a classic.
A conversation between three people who haven't read the book.
Morrissey was a published author with two books under his belt before he was a lead singer. I for one was pleased that he was published as a Penguin Classic. Well deserved! He is the only modern author I can read and completely lose myself in the words and story.
The man IS the poet of our generation.
How can a book be a classic before it has been read, or even published? I've not heard of the two books you mentioned.
Morrissey has written lyrics more profound than much I have read. He is a poet and to dismiss him as a writer is absurd.
What is so bad about being a writer? A poet writes, too.
What about being a writer AND a poet ?
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All poets are writers. Nor came you name one song of his which would stand up as poetry without the buoyancy of musical accompaniment, and I say that as some who likes his songs.
I really loved the book! I like the way it was written without chapters and page long paragraphs. Just great!
Lott is bitter as hell. Morrissey has been a serious writer of prose and poetry well before he was a songwriter
" What like Kagagoogoo" says that and then says he's a Morrissey fan . WTF ???!!!
Actually rather a shambolic interview.
Tim Lott has no right to take his place on the human race
Mark Robins your being rather too kind to him
Loved it .The writing is brilliant.
Didn't know Melissa McCarthy was such a huge fan of Morrissey.
Cian O Brien LMAO
I thought it was someone in a Halloween costume
ALSO, England has ignore their greatest living icon all throughout his tenure as writer/singer, and for that they (the media - especially NME) should feel ashamed of themselves.
Well, 5 years later and I think it's amazing!!!
Lott acting as if songwriting and poetry is all so different from writing a book is absolute nonsense, the man is clueless.
Morrissey is pretty much unique as a musician, as in many of his lyrics stand up as poetry. In fact I'd put him up there with Ginsberg and Kerouac - or rather our uniquely British version of a beat-poet. He gave romanticism back to the country that gave it to the world.
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Hahaha Ginsberg?
Are you serious.
Ginsberg was by far the least interesting, and least talented, of the beats. And he doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Morrissey.
Tim who?!
Morrissey, legend, true poet laureate, there is true and reflective prose that encompasses social history and the emotions reflected in it, regardless of whether the royals have the intellect to recognise this. Tim Lott, sorry I don't know who you are, I'll do my best to read your book, but times move forward and if music is the vehicle that carries his poetry, don't get angry and self righteous. Understand that we still ride horses but the motor vehicle just moves faster. Music is the way he encompasses and reaches a wider audience. I hate to say this but maybe penguin recognise in the distant future he will be remembered, loved and respected for his ability to use langue as a tool by many more people than you will be. sounds like you got a case of the sour grapes, lol
As far as I'm concerned Morrissey has the right to sanction a book release through who ever he chooses. His word holds up regardless of which media it belongs to.
That interviewer is exhausting.
Did you hear his swipe at the size of Mozza's chin? What a nob!
Half of it was very good and it tailed off towards the end
3 people reviewing a book that they have not read...arguing about if its any good...amazing.
He is a writer and musician, and he is amazing at it.
Don't cry about it Tim!
Morrissey's book is fair.
I am a huge fan but his book is nothing more than fair.
10 years on it has been forgotten. No one will be pulling this out in 10-20-30 years and say you must read this.
Yes i agree with Lott that you cannot judge what a classic is until you've waited a long time. It's like declaring a wine a vintage after 1 month in the cellar.
A vintage wine is any wine with a year on the bottle.
i like the smiths/Morrissey and kajagoogoo;-)
Ironically that Tom Lott (?) thinks the Modern Classics brand has been devalued but it wasn't devalued when they included him.
He doesn't think it's been devalued but he thinks it's been cheapened.
Tim shouting "an egotistical stunt" at the end. Sounded like he was going for some rhyming slang there with an emphasis on stunt.
Only Steven hairdresser knows for sure.
Why invite people to talk about a book they didn't read?
I dont know who that Tim guy is but the ego on him, wanting to make the entire interview about his writing and his hardship. Yawn, not about you it was about Morrissey. Im half way through and thoroughly enjoy it, his writing is like his interviews very eloquent quaint and English with alot of thought to specifics and detail. He's been continuously writing since the 70s he knows a thing or two pfft. this guy needs to get off his pedestal.
hahahaha the writer killed me
Tim who?
Jez that writer is up his own junction ..
Someone suggested he hadn't written it, I said that he clearly had...first half misery, next quarter slagging off the English legal system and the last quarter slagging off everyone he'd ever met...of course he wrote it! Seriously...he has got into my head and it was only when I got to the half way mark that I realised it was funny, now rereading to see if I have missed the point of the first half.
Publicity stunt is 100% on point.
Lol fancy bringing your own book.....
Morrissey being Morrissey and getting his own way ha
Blahhhhhhhh . Tim read your book and the bit where your character saw somemone who so closely resembled his dead mum . And he then he just experiences that emotionally volcanic moment of breaking down in tears . That's never left me . He suppressed it for a time . Then he just goes . So beautifully written . Loved that book. Can't recall what it was titled . 🤔
If he needs his book to be recognised so hard he's written it for the wrong reasons...
Tim Lott must be furious Bob Dylan won the Nobel 😂
What‘s a good book anyway.....?
Jealous much.?? He's a poet..!!!!
A lifelong Morrissey fan, but I have to agree with Tim Lott. It's way too early for us to judge a book as a classic, in its very release, even if written by such an acclaimed writer and cultural icon. Penguin should have waited and gauged. Even Bob Dylan who has written books for half a century now hasn't gotten his dues, and we all know he's no less capable a writer.
i wonder if james joyce would have felt devalued when scent of roses was published as a penguin classic... i actually kind of agree with lott's point, but the way he made it was distasteful.
Amy is the only one with any sense in this clip.
Lott is an incredible snob
Easier to dismiss something than to agree.
Curious to see if he writes? Probably not!
Who the heck is Tim Lott?
Get this book on audible...Its much better read with that accent!
What the hell does he mean you can't compare poetry with prose? The guy is a complete mong.
I read it and it is a great read considering he lied.
Love The Smiths and Morrissey, but i didn't think his autobiography was very good. Embarrassing in places.
I do disagree about the penguin classic label, but do people need to tear each other up about this in the comments? Good grief.
This is so annoying to watch, everyone is talking over each other. Morrissey's autobiography is a book but not a classic. Far from a classic.
Tim Lott crys at night because of morrissey
I feel for the author I have to say
The fella in the specs is a typical smug author
I feel very sorry for Tim Lott in this "discussion". Amy Lamè is wearing blinkers so tight to her face, she can see no wider than a pin prick and Krishnan is siding with Amy so fiercely that poor Tim can't get his point across at all.
Of course Tim is right, no matter how good anything is it can't become a "classic" instantly; it goes against the definition of it.
Classic - "judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind".
Agreed. Tim Lott essentially says, no matter how esteemed you cannot judge a book as a classic for a long time. Amy Lame's response is to say, "But Morrissey is one of the greatest cultural icons this country has ever produced." Thus, she clearly is incapable of understanding Lott's point.
+Matthew Reynolds Lott is correct obviously about the notion of an "instant classic" is ludicrous.
However when he made the inflammatory blanket incorrect elitist statement "songwriters aren't writers" he opened himself to critique.
'I downloadded it...' Haha he really doesn't like her...
Making it a penguin classic is fucking ridiculous
I don't know who's the nice little spectacle's man, and I believe he's a great writer. But compare Moryssey to Kajagoogoo??. To say the least, he doesn't has a clue of who's Moryssey and what kind of things he writes. None.
What a sycophant that Woman is.
hill upon hill upon hill lisbon lingers on , Morrissey .
I think Morrissey was taking the piss (not for the first time). Tim Lott?? Never heard of him so he has clearly never written anything worth a wank so don't come on television being self-righteous. Better not ask him about Dylan winning the Nobel prize, eh??
Talking about a book they have not read. Interesting concept.
Is Amy Lame American?
She is but I I've heard her say she came to UK mainly because of her love of the smiths. So she's pretty smitten!
How about reading it, Tim?
He truly is bitter, nothing more nothing less
His book isn’t a classic, just for the fact it hasn’t had enough time to lapse to become a classic. However that other guy is a bit of a shirt front.
Morrissey fanboys are like Nintendo fanboys: THE FUCKING WORST!
I bet Channel 4 News hate him now. 🤣🤣🤣
I really love Morrissey and I've enjoyed so much the book. In my opinion, it's very well-written, such as his lyrics.I mostly agree with Lott because this woman has no reasonable argument, just how she loves Morrissey. I do love him as well, I can be a crazy fan sometimes but, come on, if you don't have proper arguments to defend something like this, then why do you accept to come on television? Has anybody noticed how does she get more and more nervous as the interview goes on? That's because she's not quite sure of what to say against Lott. What I'm trying to say is: Press and television is behind all this, they could have called anyone else who knows what to say, but they want it to look this way...
She's getting more agitated, not "nervous". She can't believe that someone who is comparing their work to the likes of A Clockwork Orange is being as narrow-minded as to say that Morrissey's writing, whether lyrically or in his book, isn't as important as being an author. Morrissey has changed the musical landscape of modern history, whereas this a***hole is angry that Penguin have recognised this, because they know how important he is to British history.
Tim Lott, how to make yourself look arrogant, selfish, rude, dismissive and like a grown man baby in 60 seconds. If you replaced him in this review with Alan Partridge, nobody would do a double-take. He speaks and acts like he has been written to sound incredibly rude.
This guy is obsessed with promoting his own book. WTF
That Tim Lott obviously knows nothing of Morrissey's work. He's a sad little thing.
Sour grapes indeed from the speccy fella.
If I being a time served bricklayer of 30 years get to work on a grand house worth a million.and another less experienced bricklayer comes and works along side do I go to the foreman and say excuse me but what gives him the right to work on such a prestigious project. He would turn to me and say most likely mind your own fucking business and get on with your own work.
ill adk my mum to take him.Your difficult.
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I'm a sincere fan of Morrissey but the book is not a Penguin Classic and never will be. Heavily stylised prose lacks a writer's confident voice. A precious artefact, nonetheless.
yikes
Tim, how very british of you
Tim Lott is bang on, Amy Lame is oblivious to any sort of criticism to her God.
Tim Lott called Morrissey a musician. Morrissey is not a musician. He's a writer.
Tim Lott needs to pay less attention to his own ego.
What a pointless interview, come back when you've read it.
Amy Lame sorry I'm not pretentious enough to pronounce the é
Where on earth does channel 4 drag these irritating things from! Lol!
The smiths is a haven for lonely people
How dare you judge Mr Tim Lott!! How dare you use the word "cheapen" - you are utterly embarrassing and obviously have a bigoted idea of what good literature is.
The fan girl has no point and should be getting slagged off more in the comments than Tim Lott
probably not
Morrissey, by his own admission, is not a musician.