Boss DS1 in the Effects Loop of a Marshall??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2018
- We've seen/heard a Metal Zone plugged into the effects return of an amp...but what does a DS-1 sound like when you run it in the effects loop of a Marshall Origin 50?
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1:48 (input) and 3:59 (fx loop) for a quick comparison
every time he reached for the tone knob i was like "come on you wuss, turn it up" then he started turning it up and i was like "yeah let's go back"
Haha...yeah it gets pretty bright
I use this setup for band rehearsal: a lower end Gibson SG with a decent humbucker into the DS-1, into the Loop In of a 100 W Crate solid state head driving a a Fender 4x12. We play Sabbath/Sleep style stuff. You guys wouldn't believe the tone I get. Truly thousands of dollar tone on a 100s of dollar budget.
I cut the tone to lose the distortion "fizzle" and it sounds like smooth overdrive.
0:26 mine too. I have had the same experience of buying and selling a ds 1. I tried it out with boss eq and it's amazing. I use the eq as a volume/bass/treble boost and it sounds amazing!
with guitar>pedal> return you are not using the effects loop. you are just bypassing the pre amp. Thats why the sound is muddy. You dont have enough EQ. It should be: guitar>input>send of amp on pedal in>out of pedal on return of amp. Then you are hitting the pedal with line level of signal, not guitar level.
You'll find that most amps' fx loops are designed for instrument (guitar pedals) level signals, not line line level. However on some amps the level of the loop is adjustable to use both pedals/guitar rack effects and studio rack effects.
DS-1 + Marshall Origin 50H = Killer NWOBHM/Traditional Heavy Metal tone. Love it. 🤘🏽🤘🏽
I have a ds1 that I've not really found a use for, infact I've sold 2 previously by stupidity, so my 3rd.
I'm going to try this in the fx return of my jcm2000 dsl50 and laney gh50l heads. I'm sick of using the 4 cable method for boosting/delay when doing leads. I also have a boss line selector pedal that I have to possibly trigger a small chain of effects for clean that includes compressor, chorus, reverb. I don't like tap dancing, channel switches or miles of spaghetti cables.
I have a small 8w tube amp and the DS1 straight into the power amp is wonderful. It becomes a whole new pedal, much more open and easy to dial.
This is beyond science. Amazing tone.
Thanks Brian
Yeah, I am using this setup in my doom metal band. I can't believe the tone I get with all solid state gear. You need to have a loud amp for a band situation because the only volume knob is on the pedal, lol.
Man going through the FX loop and going through the front sounded freaking amazing with that DS-1
Yeah I was amazed at how good it sounded through the Marshall...I should try the effects loop thing on a few different amps too
Will work out fine I guess, I used distortion to reverb in the fx loop and wah to overdrive in front for some years to use both clean and dirty channels on the amps, at zero/low gain setting the distortion works as a volume boost, altough overdrives, equalizers and even some compressors in the loop can also work as a volume boost, as long as you the effect can do a clean sound while pushing up the volume it works, some effects even add some additional EQ options to play around with.
I think what started it for me was a chorus after a distortion pedal that pushed the volume up when my Metal Muff was in front of the amp, so I moved into the loop which solved that issue without making the distortion sounding bad, also added the option to put the gain down and use it as a post scoop/boost for the amps distortion.
With that said, it won't sound good when you use a clean channel that is cranked up to the point where it starts to break up or going high gain into high gain.
Now I'm only using amp distortion with OD as boost in front of the amp, get's metal enough and cuts through a mix.
I use mine into the return of my Marshall DSL1 head with a Hesu Wizard 12 cab and it sounds ridiculously good. Way better than going in the front.
I've always loved this pedal. I've owned a few. My favorite Boss pedal of all is the SD-1, specifically the Waza I'm using now with my Marshall. Superb. I use it lightly just to contour the gain or to boost for leads if I'm using a lower gain setting for rhythm. Works well.
The SD-1 is like a cheat code!
Splendid!
I might start doing this with all kinds of pedals. could open up all kinds of new tonal possibilities.
Awesome video as always, Gabor!!!! I love you and the DS-1 no matter what!!!! ❤🧡 Keep up the great work!!!!
Thanks angus2016young
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With the gain dimed it sounded killer!
Sounds great to me. I have one of the first Keeley modded ds1. I'll have to try it in my loop.
Thanks Crimson Ghost ...I was really surprised at how good it sounded...let me know how yours sounded in the loop
Nice, useful demo!
Thanks Craig
My bass amp has a FX loop with blend knob...I insert my DS1 there and blend it with some clean sound... I get an interesting tone.
That sounds interesting...i might just have to try that
I would love to hear that. When shall I come over? May I bring the kids?
I'd be interested in how a DOD FX90 Delay reacts, either in front or in the loop of your Marshall. I seem to get a lot of extraneous "whooshing" noise with mine (even without playing a note), regardless of pedal settings so I'm not sure if it is just this particular unit or not. Thanks.
It actually sounds good! gnarly and biting, it wouldn't sound out of place within a classic punk/grunge context!
Bravo thanks for the video
Thanks Slurpy Durpa
Same my first pedal was the Boss DS1 used and it was $50 aud and it look new
I have a Stratocaster and an Orange cr60 amp (solid state). This combination gives me amazing clean tones but the dirt channel is too fuzzy with the Strat. So I decided to buy an od/distortion pedal (the fender pugilist). Much better results than the amp dirt channel but still far from the beautiful boost channel of my old Marshall Valvestate.so I'll try to put the pedal in the fxloop. Maybe pushing the signal after the preamp will work better, avoiding the fuzziness at high gain.
I've been using my od through my fender fx loop for years, but I think it helps to have a master volume amp.
I thought this was going to sound really bad but its actually pretty good!
Me too
Hi, I've got a effect loop level switch on my amp. As far as I know, -10dbv is for instrument and +4dbv is for rack.
I'm just wondering if the sound is louder when I switch effect loop level to -10dbv, vice versa?
As far as I know (and I'm not 100% sure) this all happens at the "send" stage of the loop...so it's basically how much volume you send to whatever you run in the loop...different pedals and/or rack gear may require more or less volume to function properly...but like I said that's all (as far as I know but I could be wrong) happening coming out of the "Send" in the loop...in this video the "Send" of the loop wasn't used...I plugged the guitar into the pedal and then I went from the pedal to the "Return" of the loop...that basically bypasses the preamp in the amp and used the pedal as a preamp...so in this case I don't think it matters where you set the loop level as you don't use that part of the loop...hope that makes sense?!?
Did you have to plug the footswitch in to make fx loop work?
That’s one beat up DS1 Pedal
best sounding DS1 I ever heard
Thank you Marek Tokarcik
Question, I'm using the send and return on my Marshall's effects loop running a chorus and delay and also want to run a Boss DS-1 using the return only, without having 2 returns can I split the return using a 2 into 1 cable and if not is there any other ways to accomplish this? Thank you!
I guess you could just put the delay & chorus after the DS1 going into the effects return?!?
@@TSFAHTPS Thanks
Those are some monster tones you are getting out of that Jazzmaster!
Thank you…yeah I was very surprised by how good it sounded
I think it's a good trick for high gain pedals with good eq options. For the hassle of doing it i wouldn't bother otherwise.
Well, amazingly the DS1 still sounds great in the FX loop... and I think maybe it can be combined together with EQ pedals to get a full control of the tone...
Nugtroen I eq my shitty Arion distortion pedal with my Ibanez 6 band EQ in front of my clean channel and it sounds fantastic.
I imagine it would sound cooler going into a marshal DSL40. It’s sounds fuller with more bottom end to my ears but I still want the DS-1 pedal cool video 😎
It sounds ok actually. I have a Marshall 1987x reissue, and I tried a few pedals together and just straight into the return of the amp, and seems ok. What do you think about going through a AB pedal, and having some pedals into the front of the amp, and some straight into the return of the loop, if that can work. Not using the send at all?
Never tried it...but I will check it out
Which is preferable to you?
- The tube rectifier on a Boogie 1x12 40W combo--but no built-in drive, so you need a pedal
- The built-in drive on a Hot Rod Deluxe 1x12 40W--but solid-state rectifier, not tube
Well, now I have to try every pedal and combo I have through the effects return - thanks!
Haha...you're welcome 😜
@@TSFAHTPS I had a lot of fun experimenting with this yesterday, and learned quite a bit, but I think I'll probably stick with going into the pre-amp input and only use the effects return for modulation. Still useful to know - my input switch broke on my amp right before a gig once - this would have been nice to know at the time
What if you turn the gain higher in the amp? (With the distortion turned on) Does it sound heavy enough to play metal or stuff ?
If you run it the way I did then you bypass the gain on the amp - by plugging into the effects return of the amp you don’t use the preamp stage of the amp...the gain control and EQ are usually part of the preamp stage of your amp. If you plug the pedal completely into the effects loop - into both the send & return - then the amps gain control will work...but it probably won’t sound very good ...but you can give it a try!!
great video
Thanks SuperJiggawhat
I actually tried the Boss Ds-1 in the effect sloop in my Orange Micro Dark but all I get was the still-clean sound with barely hear able distortion. Why is that?
Because you forgot to switch it on.
You need to just have it in the return of the loop...no actually "in" the loop...you plug the guitar into the pedal then go from the pedal to the effects loop 'return' (nothing is plugged into the 'send')...that way you bypass the amps preamp and only use the poweramp and the pedal becomes the new preamp
Cool stuff. Just want to clarify that you are using the ds1 in the loop, not bypassing the pre amp and going straight into the power amp? Cheers.
I had the guitar going into the pedal and then the output from the pedal went into the effects return on the back of the amp which bypasses the pre amp and goes straight to the poweramp
Was that pedal drug down the freeway. I've owen pedals for 2o years and they still look like new.
I don’t know why it looks so shabby…but that’s just how it came
seems to me then that we should be putting all our effects pedals into the FX Loop. The only time we should use the Input on the amp is if we want to use the preamp of the amp itself.
It's a different sound in the loop return...I think it works well for bright and harsh sounding overdrives and distortions like the DS-1 and Metal Zone
Nice gear man!
Thank you!!
I have been doing this since about a week ago [are you guys watching me?] and it sounds good to me through my peavey bandit silverstripe. great video as always. p.s. pay for my tuna melt to be shipped over and do a video of it XD
Haha...yeah...would love to if postage wasn't so expensive...I'll keep an eye out on eBay for one locally
@@TSFAHTPS I know it is very expensive, we could probably buy 6 of then by the time it was sent back to me
It doesn't work as well as the metal zone because of the type of eq circuit. I would suggest that you put a ge7 or similar eq pedal in the loop as well and experiment with that. I think you will find the results much more interesting...
I thought it actually sounded pretty good...but I'll try it with an EQ
@@TSFAHTPS going to agree with you, I actually prefer the way this sounds over the metal zone.
It also sounds amazing in front end of your amp And crank the level on the ge7.
Great again... i m waiting the origin x bassbreaker! Cheers from Brazil!
Thanks Thiago ...the Bassbreaker vs Origin is coming...I was going to borrow the 20W Origin for the shootout to make it a little fairer but the music shop here sold it and hasn't gotten another one yet...but it's coming!!
The SuperFunAwesomeHappyTime Pedal Show! I think Origin 50 vs Bassbreaker 45 would be a more apples to apples match up
Yeah that's a possibility too
sounds good to me... the amp is clean... is that the best way to get the most headroom? not using amp gain.?
If you run it into the effects return then it will usually be fairly clean...unless you really crank the amp...by running it into the effects return you are bypassing the preamp of the amp which is where most of the distortion in most amps comes from...so the pedal basically becomes the preamp of your amp...I hope that makes sense?!?
@@TSFAHTPSYes, so for my 50 watt solid state, i keep it clean in the preamp loop, gain low for my 100 watt plexi, also clean cuz there is no effects loop...
How about the Tone Concepts Goo pedal?
That can be arranged
Been doing this for years. Marshall in a box type pedal if you own a fender amp is an absolute winner
You should have told me about that earlier Duey...
Hahaha....I thought it was common knowledge. I use a Runoffgroove Thor DIY kit pedal . Very natural sounding. Try it with a Bogner Legrange, Boss Powerstack, Xvive Golden Brownie (JCM 800) is good fun.
I think it's time for an "amp in a box" pedal into the effects return shoot out! Thanks man
Nice. If it's eq'd / voiced well it can be absolutely amazing or just unusable rubbish. Depends on what controls are available on the pedal. Pure trial and error.
In the signal chain of a pedalboard, where would it be placed? At the end or at the beginning?
As in if you run the pedal in the effects return? I guess you would treat it like an amp and run pedals you'd run into the amp in front of it and things like delays and Reverb after it
@@TSFAHTPS so if I use it in the fx return, should I place it at the end?
Yeah...in the end or just before things like delays or reverbs...it's kinda replacing the preamp in your amp...so any effects you would run into your amp I would put in front of the DS1...anything you would normally put in the effects loop of the amp would go after it
Just to clarify the signal chain would be: guitar>drive>modulation>delay>reverb>ds-1>amp(fx return)?
I would go... guitar>drive>modulation>ds1>delay>reverb>amp...and you plug into the effects return of the amp not into the input
Candlemass use Marshalls boosted with DS-1 pedals.
Once you dialed the tone know up past 12:00 and got right around 1:00 the tone stopped sounding muffled and wooly, and finally got really great and could hear the snarl of those pickups a bit - you only stayed there for a second. Oh, well....
Plugged mine into a FX return of my TSL 60 Head. Was not impressed.
4:53
Total hatred from the owner of the only Marshall amp with a parallel effects loop. (TSL60)
Haha...sorry to hear that!
Nope, my DSL401 is just the same... But that does mean you (on mine) can crank it more in the power section. Also try using (oddly) into FX loop with different channels selected - on mine it means a tone stack is or isn’t included. I’m using it in a wet dry setup and sounds great.
I have a broken marshall valvestate, that only works the clean channel, and an old modified ds1, and didnt know about this fx loop thing, so I would do it as soon as i buy another cable, I'll let you know how it went
Please do...keen to hear if you liked it
@@TSFAHTPS I hvnt bought it yet, I have a question, can I use it in the fx loop very little gain, and using an superoverdrive in front to boost it?, to get some oasis sounds alike?
I haven't tried that yet...but I might just do that shortly
@@TSFAHTPS please let me know
Holy fuck the image quality on your camera is amazing.
The camera on me? Thanks for noticing! It's a new camera and lens I'm trying out...I do really like it...still trying to work out a few kinks but I'm really happy with it...it's a Sony a6500 with a Sigma 16mm lens
Think I prefer direct into the front of the amp from this video alone? Seemed to have a bit more clarity - but really, you'd have to be IN that room to truly know and/or appreciate the difference! Nice one... :D
ZEGO24x totally agree! Sounded balls out in front of amp, bit muffly in loop. Nice video.
Apparently, bad Distortion pedals on the FX Loop is the answer for a bad sound. May be they need to be loud.
My granpappy invented the ds-1 and I'll be damned if I sit here and let you besmirch the family name
@@guitarofdestiny who invented the DS2? Your dad?
How to keep a mummy!
Kurt Cobain was known for using DS1s straight into power amps. Very simple and sounds sick.
Oh really? Interesting
Do you have any evidence that he did this?
not sure that's true. I think he plugged it into a Mesa preamp
Because GullieGumdrops said so!
@Carson Hopper this also explains Courtney
The question is why would you do that when you already own a marshall?
Because the Marshall I own doesn’t have that much gain and it’s a different sound...it’s almost like using a different preamp...just for some tonal variety...and for fun
Well... Improvement is not as huge like with the Metal Zone but yeah, cool. Sweet Jazz btw
Thanks...yeah it wasn't quite as drastic...but I think it tamed those high frequencies a bit more
I use all od pedals through my fx loop. It is a master volume amp and you have to have master and gain the same setting to work properly. Better than using it out front by far.
By putting your overdrive in the fx loop you don't overdrive the pre-amp stage so effectively making the overdrive pedal almost useless.
I hear what you say, but that is the net effect of the way I do it. Perhaps Im overdriving the power amp section.
Ds1 is naturally scooped
Great with strats as they are scooped.
Super strat .yeah
Nirvana.
that DS-1 had seen better days.
Haha...yeah...still sounds great though
So mostly people only thought one thing since distortion was born in 80s : distortion must in front of the amp..nuff said. Soo many yearsss...
Yeah they sound surprisingly good going into the effects return
Yap...but maybe not all of the dist pedals sound good in efx loop..here's the video from Wampler:
th-cam.com/video/nRoBDmO2oGI/w-d-xo.html
god damn that sounds fucking robust
I think you had the level too high.. when you finally turned the tone past 1 o'clock it sounded like my head with the presence too high--you were driving the poweramp input too hard. Might sound better with the level in the middle and the tone closer to 3 than noon.
I did have the master volume up on around 6...I'll try it again with the volume lowered...I think we will do a couple of videos with "amp in a box" style pedals going into the effects return! Thanks Glenn
You pretty much have to run the output on max on a ds1. It's fairly low output. And the power section can absolutely handle it, I mean it's used to being driven by tubes.
I guess everyone is just ripping off Ola's video now?
I guess...and just interested in how pedals sound in the effects loop...and it's free and you don't have to watch it if you don't like it
@@TSFAHTPS True, but I'll bet you're set up to profit from this video some how. It's no better than stealing someone else's guitar riff. How about you guys do some original videos instead of the same re-hashed stuff every else did better?
b-spot nah, it's cool, just like every reggae band
And ola ripped it off someone else.
actually Ola not the first youtuber that make the video about metalzone on fx loop
i don't see the fascination not necessarily better or good at all in the loop not a good idea leave the effects loop for modulating effects and run your drives thru your dirty channel IF your amp has one
First of all brother why would you get rid of a pedal in the first place
Haha...I know...don't ask me what i did with a Klon Centaur I owned back in the late 90s/early 2000s
The SuperFunAwesomeHappyTime Pedal Show! Oh no, haha I mean jeez that is a brilliant pedal
Guys, putting something in the FX return is not the same as putting something in the FX loop, don't be so annoyingly stupid.
Thank you! Video is misleading
I tried using my ds1 in the loop and it recognizes the pedal but the distortion won’t work
Make sure to just plug it into the return of the effects loop! You plug your guitar into the input of the pedal and the output of the pedal goes to the return of the effects loop