CH ffn2 had two different throw extensions, 1+2 which could be broken by pressing 1+2 and a more damaging jumping power bomb. I don't really remember the exact input but it was either u,d1+2 or u,d3+4. Best thing about that jumping power bomb was the fact that you could only break it by pressing 3+4 (and most people didn't know that so it was easy 60+ damage lol).
T6 King was the hardest King to play, in terms of execution. I'm glad this King was waaay easier in TTT2, but still nothing compared to T7 King which is the easiest he's ever been.
do you have any insights on how king was in t6? I only have access to DR currently and i think its interesting how his strength in these games was ludicrous but difficult damage, compared to T7 where he is easy but lacking combo routes
@@blonkski_2525 Yes I do, I'm an old school player since T3. T6 movement was literally dogshit. You instantly feel how slow and sluggish movement is when you come straight from T7. T6 King was very fickle to play, especially if you wanted max damage or even higher than average damage combos. Hitting the ISW ender wasn't easy in T6 (it is easy if you didn't use long/hard combos). T6 King combos were quiet restricted in combo routes, and often were limited to only 1 or 2 combo routes (unlike T7). This T6 combo, u/f+4, f+2,2, 1, b+2,1+2, B! ISW was considered his "easy" ISW combo. But many people found it to hard to hit the ISW consistently. If you were to change the 1 for a 2, b+2,1+2, B! ISW then this changes the combo to hard/very hard or impossible for others. In T6 there was way better oki. For instance you could purposefully drop your combo or spike your opponent for resets. It was very common to go for the resets and floats in T6, looking at you Dragunov and Bob.
@Lord_Dranek tbf, my modern TV isn't as responsive as my old TV was, now it feels sluggish, but used to feel responsive and I also think it's bc I'm so used to 60 fos or higher nowadays
T6 King was quite the oddball between all the "modern King" versions (starting with T5). He had very good damage imho but that damage was quite hard to achieve. He also had the final iteration of his old WS+2 which was a single long range uppercut similar to his FC,df+2 but wasn't a launcher, until T6 made it a launcher on CH while at the same time making it safe on block. Oh and T6 King had one of the best item moves ever which was his wrestling trunks (in any color) giving him his Octopus Hold from T2 as a single command grab replacing his normal db+1+2 Figure 4 Leglock. The Octopus Hold was not only way cooler but also a completely unbreakable 40 damage front throw, so it was exceptionally good. I liked his TTT2 version much more even tho airthrows are all severely nerfed in TTT2 (to account for Tag Assault increasing combo damage massively as well as making running airthrows much easier to connect) and I still regard TTT2 King as his best version ever, combo wise and otherwise as well. TTT2 did much to streamline his combo options from T6 after uf+1+2 and FC,df+2, and made df+4,3,4 work consistently as a wall combo (in T7 it also works but the damage from the last hit was heavily nerfed for no reason). He lost the old WS+2, now replaced by the homing WS+2,2 horizontal chops, but gained a new high crush high launcher in d+1+2, which imho made him more flexible.
1:38 Doing double Ali kicks into the 2 mid extension after d/f+2,1 guarantees a 1+4 unblockable, if I'm not mistaken. Based on my testing, the unblockable will clip a tech-rolling opponent just as they attain the crouched state, and the unblockable beats out all other wake-up options as well, with quick-rolling back being their only means of reducing the damage.
TBH, King is one of those characters that gets better and better in each Tekken game. Because there are some characters that are good in one Tekken game and then they become worse in the next game. I've always loved King since Tekken 3, but I never felt confident in playing him competitively until in Tekken 7, because Tekken 7 was when they improved his striking game. He borrowed moves from Armor King and has a proper running 3. Being too reliant on his throws made him feel like a close quarters character.
actually i'd say king was strongest in 5/DR and then again in 7. in t6 and ttt2 he was alright?(not sure about t6)/and pretty weak in ttt2 but not because of his fundamental tools, rather he did not perform well with the bound system. when they gave king the same tools ( + armor king f2,1), but with easier screw system, he was instantly a very strong character again
@@blonkski_2525 King got his WS+2,2 homing move in Tekken Tag 2 which was way better than his WS+2 in Tekken 6 that was only a 24 damage palm attack and only a counter hit launcher. His air throw and wall throw damage were his biggest nerfs in Tekken Tag 2 as to accommodate with the Tag Assault damage.
To give everyone perspective, "average, good" damage in Tekken 6/Tag 2 with one character is about 72-77. Going above that in open field with no Rage is pretty damn good.
The low average would be lower than 72. Iirc Armor King's average combo is between 67-73 without using his guaranteed unblockable as the ender. Lei and Lee also had lower damage in combos, only spiked up by walls, which is a totally different conversation. Baek and Hwoarang had pretty low dmg too, especially Baek that's why people always opt for a spike down for Oki or one guaranteed unscaled hit. The average is surprisingly similar to T7, but achieving over 70 damage in no wall no rage combos is way easier
Df2,1 to df4,3 does work! It will whiff if you try it on small characters like leo here or xiaoyu but will work perfectly fine for medium to big sized characters
Oh wow, you even went for the hard combo off of hopkick with 4 dash f1 f222. Hitting isw is typically hard off of that one. THe more common one (that for some reason no one ever used) was f3, f1 f222 isw. Combos with King were finnikcy depending on who the character was. Vs small characters like with ch d/f 2 1, you couldn't do d/f 3 4, just 2 ali kicks d3+4 4 2. On bulkier general characters, ch ws 2 let you do b 2 1+2 for bound combos iirc, or even allowed you to do f222 as the ender. Same with fc d/f2. One nice change about TTT2 for King was making b2 1+2 more doable and by adding a f1 to let him get that, made the combo more guranteed and consistent. For his wall enders, typically you just did d/f 1 2 with either moonsault (1+4) or read they weren't going to techroll and just did ground throw. Something more uncommon though was doing bound at the wall, was anyone trying to do isw up close. It was harder, especially with using f222 to do it but it could be done even consistently if you practiced it. One King player that played online on 360 was named Biwakoking and he did it all the time. Often what you'd see King players do for oki was either mixing up either moonsalt, ground throw, or d/f 4 3 for pickups. Often most Korean King players would do the standard fc d/f2 combo, but instead end it with either GS or d/f 1 with fc d/f 2, d/b2, 2 1, f22 GS. Some would finish the f22 with f221 into d/f 1 for oki setups.
King in this game although wasn't the greatest frame wise, made up for it in combo damage! Although I will say his bound moves looked cool, they were never too practical.
I say king tekken 6 has more damage of course back then rage was OP. Tekken 8 is creative. I’m not going to lie I miss king f221 and f222 they should have kept it
CH ffn2 had two different throw extensions, 1+2 which could be broken by pressing 1+2 and a more damaging jumping power bomb. I don't really remember the exact input but it was either u,d1+2 or u,d3+4. Best thing about that jumping power bomb was the fact that you could only break it by pressing 3+4 (and most people didn't know that so it was easy 60+ damage lol).
Ch ffn2 to 1+2 u,d 3+4 powerbomb does 69 damage noice
I see
thanks for the info dude
I miss the jaguar power bomb
plus ffn2 on ch was a launcher (unless the opponent holds f to get out of the stun)
T6 King was the hardest King to play, in terms of execution. I'm glad this King was waaay easier in TTT2, but still nothing compared to T7 King which is the easiest he's ever been.
do you have any insights on how king was in t6? I only have access to DR currently and i think its interesting how his strength in these games was ludicrous but difficult damage, compared to T7 where he is easy but lacking combo routes
@@blonkski_2525 Yes I do, I'm an old school player since T3. T6 movement was literally dogshit. You instantly feel how slow and sluggish movement is when you come straight from T7. T6 King was very fickle to play, especially if you wanted max damage or even higher than average damage combos. Hitting the ISW ender wasn't easy in T6 (it is easy if you didn't use long/hard combos).
T6 King combos were quiet restricted in combo routes, and often were limited to only 1 or 2 combo routes (unlike T7). This T6 combo, u/f+4, f+2,2, 1, b+2,1+2, B! ISW was considered his "easy" ISW combo. But many people found it to hard to hit the ISW consistently. If you were to change the 1 for a 2, b+2,1+2, B! ISW then this changes the combo to hard/very hard or impossible for others.
In T6 there was way better oki. For instance you could purposefully drop your combo or spike your opponent for resets. It was very common to go for the resets and floats in T6, looking at you Dragunov and Bob.
He also was more fun in t6 to be fair you had more usable moves
And now there’s T8 King…
@Lord_Dranek tbf, my modern TV isn't as responsive as my old TV was, now it feels sluggish, but used to feel responsive and I also think it's bc I'm so used to 60 fos or higher nowadays
T6 King was quite the oddball between all the "modern King" versions (starting with T5). He had very good damage imho but that damage was quite hard to achieve. He also had the final iteration of his old WS+2 which was a single long range uppercut similar to his FC,df+2 but wasn't a launcher, until T6 made it a launcher on CH while at the same time making it safe on block. Oh and T6 King had one of the best item moves ever which was his wrestling trunks (in any color) giving him his Octopus Hold from T2 as a single command grab replacing his normal db+1+2 Figure 4 Leglock. The Octopus Hold was not only way cooler but also a completely unbreakable 40 damage front throw, so it was exceptionally good.
I liked his TTT2 version much more even tho airthrows are all severely nerfed in TTT2 (to account for Tag Assault increasing combo damage massively as well as making running airthrows much easier to connect) and I still regard TTT2 King as his best version ever, combo wise and otherwise as well. TTT2 did much to streamline his combo options from T6 after uf+1+2 and FC,df+2, and made df+4,3,4 work consistently as a wall combo (in T7 it also works but the damage from the last hit was heavily nerfed for no reason). He lost the old WS+2, now replaced by the homing WS+2,2 horizontal chops, but gained a new high crush high launcher in d+1+2, which imho made him more flexible.
Damn.
You actually know your stuff, when you're not online fighting with everyone in the comments section 😂
The graphic/texture looks clean af
1:38 Doing double Ali kicks into the 2 mid extension after d/f+2,1 guarantees a 1+4 unblockable, if I'm not mistaken. Based on my testing, the unblockable will clip a tech-rolling opponent just as they attain the crouched state, and the unblockable beats out all other wake-up options as well, with quick-rolling back being their only means of reducing the damage.
I see
thanks for the info dude
Actually, iirc, it was only if you did the single d3+4 2. Doing 2 Ali kicks would let them get out of it.
These videos are so cool and informative man! Please keep them coming 😀😀
TBH, King is one of those characters that gets better and better in each Tekken game. Because there are some characters that are good in one Tekken game and then they become worse in the next game.
I've always loved King since Tekken 3, but I never felt confident in playing him competitively until in Tekken 7, because Tekken 7 was when they improved his striking game. He borrowed moves from Armor King and has a proper running 3. Being too reliant on his throws made him feel like a close quarters character.
so true
he's even better in 8
actually i'd say king was strongest in 5/DR and then again in 7. in t6 and ttt2 he was alright?(not sure about t6)/and pretty weak in ttt2 but not because of his fundamental tools, rather he did not perform well with the bound system. when they gave king the same tools ( + armor king f2,1), but with easier screw system, he was instantly a very strong character again
@@blonkski_2525 King got his WS+2,2 homing move in Tekken Tag 2 which was way better than his WS+2 in Tekken 6 that was only a 24 damage palm attack and only a counter hit launcher. His air throw and wall throw damage were his biggest nerfs in Tekken Tag 2 as to accommodate with the Tag Assault damage.
To give everyone perspective, "average, good" damage in Tekken 6/Tag 2 with one character is about 72-77. Going above that in open field with no Rage is pretty damn good.
The low average would be lower than 72. Iirc Armor King's average combo is between 67-73 without using his guaranteed unblockable as the ender. Lei and Lee also had lower damage in combos, only spiked up by walls, which is a totally different conversation. Baek and Hwoarang had pretty low dmg too, especially Baek that's why people always opt for a spike down for Oki or one guaranteed unscaled hit. The average is surprisingly similar to T7, but achieving over 70 damage in no wall no rage combos is way easier
Df2,1 to df4,3 does work! It will whiff if you try it on small characters like leo here or xiaoyu but will work perfectly fine for medium to big sized characters
I see
I really think that t6 won't be uncrowned as the most broken in terms of damage. T6 rage is literally a free death combo for all characters
Up forward+ 1+2,if both pressed on the same frame,gives you instant burning nuckle
Lol seeing burning knuckle so slow is so weird after getting used to it's tekken 7 timing
haha yes
Oh wow, you even went for the hard combo off of hopkick with 4 dash f1 f222. Hitting isw is typically hard off of that one. THe more common one (that for some reason no one ever used) was f3, f1 f222 isw. Combos with King were finnikcy depending on who the character was. Vs small characters like with ch d/f 2 1, you couldn't do d/f 3 4, just 2 ali kicks d3+4 4 2.
On bulkier general characters, ch ws 2 let you do b 2 1+2 for bound combos iirc, or even allowed you to do f222 as the ender. Same with fc d/f2. One nice change about TTT2 for King was making b2 1+2 more doable and by adding a f1 to let him get that, made the combo more guranteed and consistent.
For his wall enders, typically you just did d/f 1 2 with either moonsault (1+4) or read they weren't going to techroll and just did ground throw. Something more uncommon though was doing bound at the wall, was anyone trying to do isw up close. It was harder, especially with using f222 to do it but it could be done even consistently if you practiced it. One King player that played online on 360 was named Biwakoking and he did it all the time.
Often what you'd see King players do for oki was either mixing up either moonsalt, ground throw, or d/f 4 3 for pickups. Often most Korean King players would do the standard fc d/f2 combo, but instead end it with either GS or d/f 1 with fc d/f 2, d/b2, 2 1, f22 GS. Some would finish the f22 with f221 into d/f 1 for oki setups.
Can you talk about Tekken 6 raven please 🙏🏾? I feel raven had alot going for him in that game but really underrated
first t5 raven then t6 ^^
King in this game although wasn't the greatest frame wise, made up for it in combo damage! Although I will say his bound moves looked cool, they were never too practical.
O man i was waiting for this ❤❤ and maybe king tekken 7 tgo run? Pls BTW I am reversed ruler so I would like and learn how you play king ?
I will try^^
@@mwkan772 thx bro
nice video dude
Glad you enjoyed it
Anyone know where and how I can download tekken 6 on my pc?
I say king tekken 6 has more damage of course back then rage was OP. Tekken 8 is creative. I’m not going to lie I miss king f221 and f222 they should have kept it
well he did steal armor king's moves in tekken 7
yes..
d+3 and f+2,1
now in tekken 8 he has AK's shadow lariat and shadow step 4 slide after doing jaguar run then 4
The move that knocks down on CH and normal hit is not B1, B1 gives combo on CH
That looked like ff1
@@ultralowspekken Yeah, it is f,f+1.
Thank you for this bro🫡
my pleasure ^^