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We have 600 amp hours of LiFePo4 batteries and 1800w of solar. We threw out our gas to only the barbecue. Inside we put in a 2 plate induction cooktop, a 30 l toaster electric oven which does everything we need, electric kettle and microwave. It takes about 100amphours for a full meal. We are very happy with the change over
Hi Guys, slowly catching up on the videos and they are great. I haven't read the comments myself and someone may have already made this recommendation. You've probably already made the decision on a cooktop, but the RV industry (recreational vehicle) has had combined gas/electric tops for years in 2, 4,and 6 burner style's. This will give you an all in one set-up without having to pull something out of a cupboard to use and than re-stow.
Go electric and have a two burner propane camper type cooktop in a locker nearby. Just use the small propane bottles. You’ll be using electric most of the time anyway. Love your boat.
I'm putting in a propane system on my boat. Tankless water heater, outdoor grill, and indoor stove all on propane. Then I am putting a microwave/air fryer combo unit where the old propane oven used to go. If I find out a small convection oven/air fryer works out better for me than the microwave I'll swap them out. My situation is a little different because I'm not ocean cruising, it's just sitting in the local river going around it. I just don't want to have to deal with running a generator to eat food or take a hot shower, which in our rainy season will be mandatory for several months out of the year. I liked the video.
I am definitely going with induction oven , I do not want Gas on my boat, primarily reason it safety. Gas is heavy and will end up in the lowers part of the boat normally where the engine is….. This is just how I think !
We are also going through this decision and are going to buy a cheap induction plate that we will put on top of our stove. If it doesn't work out, we're only a few dollars out of pocket. If it does work out, we will replace the gas with induction. The only loss will be all our lovely copper bottomed pots. Thanks for your videos
@@jacekcentkowski979 It will work, but far les efficient. You get the result from a conventional electric cooktop. ie. You loose all the benefits of the induction
One of the means of generating energy you forgot to mention. You mentioned generator, solar and big batteries. However, there is another option. No generator and using the Integral or tow large Balmer alternators with external regulators (a few cruisers are doing the latter now). As for the stove/oven, go induction and have an outside (cockpit) propane grill as your "backup". Not sure if you really use the oven, or that could be replaced by a convection microwave (microwave & oven all in one). Also, use items like pressure cooker. Thanks for the videos and earnestly watching !
We have 300 Watts of solar, two freezers and use like 8-15 percent of our daily energy cooking. Bought a air-fryer-toaster oven and electric cooktop for $200. The propane oven had an accident so we use the propane grill outside only. SV Delos did a conversion, and Will Prowse did a 280AH battery build here on YT that will save you many thousands on battery costs.
Go for both, I Love cooking as being a retired chef, gas is best, but money induction, microwave etc is brilliant on a boat, fast & reliable I would always go for both, as a survival point of view, My home, I have wood stove & fire, coal, oil, Gas, recycled oil, charcoal, solar & wind. Love your Sailing Vessel - hope to be building & fitting out my Dream TRI -Sailling Vessel start Date 1st January 2023 - fingers crossed. Hope ti's has been a help hope to see you both on the water in the near future. Happy Sailling From David.
i like the flexibility of having both options. That way when you are out of propane or battery power, or if something is broken, you can still cook. Redundancy...
We went full electric. The whole point was to no longer have to deal with refills in all sorts of different countries/systems. We're very happy with the choice. Of course we had to add solars to handle it without the genset. Cheers. Bartek
I would have a induction because when you turn I down it draws less kW which is kinder to the batteries/inverter. Also have a small barbeque outside for emergency and for cooking fish on.
Changed to induction cooktop and microwave convection oven a year ago. No regrets and would not ever go back. The induction cooktop comes with a marine adapter... a mounded piece of silicone.. cleanups is easy! I carried a two burner camper stove around for a year and never got if out.
We are planning an electric induction top, microwave/convection combination oven and instant pot pressure cooker with a alcohol camping stove backup. Another comment said a full meal takes 100 watt hours which is something I want to test.
We have installed 2 burners electric and use them whenever possible. But it is not a perfect solution. There are times we do not have the power for them during winter. We then use a camping alcohol stove we store unless needed. As mentioned about propane, it is the connector debacle. I feel that in ten years this will not even be a debate. We use a solar oven when we can also.
I not that experience with sailboat but you have more control on your heat with propane, but with induction you eliminate a big headache that is propane. Personally if you have the power for induction go for it,and go for a portable cooktop that takes small propane bottles and you can always make adapter to fill them up with a regular gas tank ,i know delos changes over for induction for the simple logistics of propane.
@@sailoceans on propulsion is the capacity of regenerate energy is going to be your biggest headache, but new lithium battery will charge much faster and as a backup up you can always make a adapter that mount on the back for a outboard like the garcia exploration sailboat
Great part, love it listen about a technical issue. More knowledge and advice for further sailing people. Keep going with both channels and thanks for the upload vblogs ;)
Heh! We are planning the same thing on our boat. We currently have a four-burner propane stove top, but it is old and ready to be replaced. After talking about it, we decided to go with a two-burner propane replacement, which will give us more counter space. We will also add an outlet for a portable induction cooker, which we can use when we have power for it.
I'm thinking electric with a LP backup 🤔. It would be nice to be all solar but at times you may not have enough sunlight to charge your batteries and I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave yourself short. Need lights at night...
G'day, what is the brand of the super efficient propane cook top? I am building a 12m cat and am thinking of using the GN Espace gas oven but undecided on the cooktop.. Maybe an Eno 2 burner and a single induction... Cheers Russell.
Once again, I enjoy your vids. I will get rid of propane 100%. Add a alternator to your engine to charge your lithiums, add your solars as well as your genset and you should never have a problem. Many modern performance cruisers don't even have generators anymore! Also remember, a hybrid still leaves you with the cylinders, connectors ans what you have not mentioned, the effort to get it to a place to have it refilled, back to the boat and then connecting it. How much do your filled cylinders weigh? Big alternator, enough solar with enough lithium and I think you can even get away without a gen...
Delos has converted to induction - gimbled even. If you have the Lithium powerbank for it, it is safer. Even Force 10 offers them now. In case of really bad weather, you'll need to run the generator. With a fast trimaran a hydro-generator/or regen could put in quite a bit into the batteries, too. And then, I like the camping-cooker backup idea ...
To wszystko zależy od pojemności baterii jak i mocy paneli ale przy takim dużym dachu da się to ogarnąć. Znam ludzi którzy używają indukcji w kamperze zasilanym pv. Ale dodatkowo jedną butle gazu zostawiłbym z jakimś przenośną płytą gazową na wszelki wypadek.
Keep your desiel engine and upgrade the alternator, or add a second. It could then be your backup power for the batteries. It could then be used for those situations where the sun doesn't shine for long periods of time. I am sure you know propane is very dangerous on boats.
I like your idea of using a standard home oven, but it will have to be made of marine-grade stainless steel, so that it will not rust out in six months. Also, there will need to be extra layers of fire-retardant insulation around it, because home ovens require additional venting/breathing space around them. An electric cook top (induction?) would be perfect, with a two-burner propane stove as a back up. Your videos are an inspiration and your great good humour always makes me smile. Cheers!
don't use propane as your backup fuel, use alcohol fuel. cheap, non-explosive and can be bought any where. stock up on lots of cheap polish vodka :-)) i've not heard of anyone going electric back to whatever. if they did, they were probably under powered(electric).
I wonder how efficient are induction cooktops nowadays ? I'm pondering replacing an old, traditional cooktop at home, with the induction one, thinking it should be much more efficient. Any thoughts ? Podziwiam lodke !
VERY efficient. Most of the energy goes into heating the base of the pot, not heating the sides or the air in the salon! Also, cool handles, easy to clean and super safe! We combined ours with a convection microwave, works well for us!
One more point I forgot to make. Using induction vs propane GREATLY reduces the amount of heat radiated into the kitchen area, thereby keeping the kitchen area cooler since you are not cooking with open flame.
Please consider an alternative back up. One is none, two is one. Meaning if the electrics fail you will have no way of cooking food or heating water, having butane in small canisters and a two burner stove will allow you to fall back on this when necessary. Looking forward to seeing your revamped boat..
I have an RV with both propane and a 1 burner induction countertop unit. I do 90% of my cooking on the induction because it boils water faster and it's very easy to lessen the amount of heat you are cooking with. While inductions takes a good amount of power to boil water (couple minutes) it uses less than half to cover the pan and cook at lower heat. I would just get a countertop propane 2 burner unit you can use very occasionally if necessary, thereby saving countertop space. You can refill the small canisters yourselves with a larger bottle. Just my opinion and preference.
If you have sufficient means of collecting and storing electricity (solar, wind or hydro) then all electric appears to be a completely logical solution. However in the rare occasion that you don't have sufficient electrical supply then having a backup makes sense. In that scenario having something as simple as a reasonably sized gas grill with a side burner could be more that sufficient. With little or no effort the grill can serve its advertised function, also be an oven, and with the side burner you can boil water. From a safety perspective this also makes sense since the grill will likely be outside. I think this type of thinking can also be applied to your electric motor installation. From a pilots perspective, its about how many back-ups you need to reduce your margin of risk.
For propulsion I went from diesel to electric and now for cooking I'm going propane to induction. Have been testing induction at home, and very happy with it. Primary reason for me to get rid of propane is safety and complicated regulations. But can only go with induction because I have a 11kW LiFePO4 battery bank.
IDK man, I've really been on the fence about switching to electric propulsion... Will that 11kw get you through the panama canal at a minimum of 5kts without stopping to charge? I ask, because it's my understanding you have to be able to complete the full trip, and it's 80km just from ocean to ocean, so 100km @5kts?
I know eliminating propane is safer, but how much safer? (There are two standards: lower insurance rate or insurance requirement, and statistics.) My first thought for the boat I have on order is induction, but I'd also always carry my two-burner Coleman camp stove. (I've used the same one for maybe 30 years.It's propane.) It's compact, stow it anywhere; take it to the beach, out in the cockpit. It works as well as a regular house stove/hob - with a one-pound propane bottle it's completely portable. I also bought a single induction burner ($70-90). Works okay, but I think I need to use my cast iron skillet. With my thinner carbon steel skillet there's a 'burnt food' ring about 15 cm diameter about 4 cm wide around the middle. Don't know if more expensive induction burners spread out the hot spot. I'd want to investigate that burnt food situation before I spent a lot of money and time installing it. Heat up time compared to gas - induction is probably faster. Maybe induction installed in the galley. There's nothing portable about it - you always have to plug in. And then a Coleman stove as a back up -it's completely portable. (Wow, they are the same price I think I paid 30 years ago. They do make some that look really nice.) The propane tank fitting thing is nuts. Did everybody put grumpy old generals on their regulatory panels? (Anyone make a manifold with all the different fittings so you can fill up your tanks anywhere in the world? Adapters?) Using a small fitting I refill the one-pound bottles (more portable) from my bigger tank. (I'm in the U.S.) So if I used the Coleman stove in the galley, even every day for long periods, I'd still just use the small one-pound tanks. They'd last at least a week, takes less than 5 minutes to refill.
Yes, the problem is we actually made fittings to convert connections to fill tanks in different countries, but as I mentioned in the video most countries don't allow to connect anything but their own approved tanks to fill. Period. That's where the ingenuity of the multiconnector stops dead in its tracks. :(
As a home cook, it takes a while to adjust to Induction because it is much hotter quicker. Once you burn a few things you realize that it is much faster and change accordingly. I am planning for induction when I get my cat. Like driving my Tesla, you have to commit to it!
Zapewne liczyliście już, zapytam więc z czystej ciekawości. Jakiej mocy macie generator (wystarczy do obsługi piekarnika elektrycznego, albo sensownego gotowania na indukcji?)? Czy wychodzi duża różnica w kosztach pomiędzy używaniem kuchenki gazowej, a wystartowaniem generatora wyłącznie na potrzeby kuchenki. W moim osobistym odczuciu bezpieczeństwo przede wszystkim, więc gdybym na Waszym miejscu miałbym możliwość, żeby pozbyć się gazu to bym to robił. PS. Zawsze możecie kupić płytę, która ma 2 palniki gazowe i 2 elektryczne (są przecie takie hybrydy, nawet nie byłoby utraty miejsca na blacie.
The route I'm going is electric cooking for the boat, and then a small propane grill with the little bottles for dinners on the beach or things that just don't turn out well on electric.
That seems to be the really cool compromise prevailing among the comments and the likely route we gonna take. Thanks for the confirmations. Cheers mate. Bartek
I use both propane and electric (induction) at home. One induction and 2 propane. I absolutely love the induction! It is extremely efficient. My only reason for retaining propane is frequent power outages. There is no such thing as an "efficient propane" cooktop. They all use flame, and the only way to improve efficiency is cookware itself. I rarely use my propane oven, and instead use an Emerell Legasse electric pressure cooker with an air fryer lid which is extremely fast and efficient. Essentially a convection oven. But I cook for ONE. I would highly recommend using a convection oven for reduced cooking times if you choose electric. It's very significant. It might be worth looking at a pressure oven....Any heat you can retain will save energy. In most cases you are going to have either solar or wind or regen (wind)...... how flexible are you? Camping type propane / butane. or liquid fuel stove for backup.... if you are willing to resort to that is a viable option. A generator is also an option but extremely inefficient, at less than 20%. How often do you anticipate not having sufficient solar or wind? Another important consideration is salt air and it's effect on electronics. Using induction, I would use a modular system with replacements in vac sealed containers. In addition you are using AC, and that is more electronics. You are 100% dependent on an inverter, either PSW, of MSW. If this fails you are screwed. This is one item on a boat I would definitely carry a spare of. *** Note that there are options like so called "thermal cookers", which are heavily insulated such that you bring what you are cooking up to temp, then place it in an insulated container and allow it to cook using residual heat. I personally use Sous Vide constantly..... which cooks things at very low temps for long periods of time. I often cook at temps as low as 130F. This technology paired with insulation could be very efficient. Energy efficiency is key here. Typical cooking is very inefficient. For example insulating a cooking vessel can make a HUGE difference in fuel consumption by eliminating thermal radiation. Boiling is extremely wasteful due to the energy consumed in conversion of water to steam, and is NOT necessary. Again look at Sous Vide, and the temps used. It yields superior product. Likewise pressure cooking is extremely efficient due to the elimination of converting water to vapor. An Instant Pot type cooker is far more efficient than stove top cooking.
Diffinitly have both.I would just have a secret top over the gas,so you don't lose counter space.For safty you can keep the gas shut off.Fair winds on your project,from Canada 🇨🇦 C.C.R real wood boat 🏴☠️ 🚢 😎
ANd what about a full electric installation for the kitchen and a barbecue with propane? As you mentionned, you keep an alternativ in case of bad weather because you can cook a lot of things in a barbecue especially if you close it.
Hi, have you ever wondered about the alcohol stove? You will have no problems replacing the gas cylinders. Alcohol can be used for cleaning in case something spills out. I've seen TH-cam videos where people who swapped gas for alcohol were very happy with the result.
CO2 is not a greenhouse gas, it is the food plants need. Releasing CO2 is the greenest thing you can do. However, induction cooking is safer and more convenient.
I never managed first comment so far ! Have you already decided on the new propulsion? One other thing, aside from boating. I heard an art museum is now open within the Lenin yard premises. Maybe you can give us few minutes on it ?
Most likely electric with medium size genset for emergencies. We'll do something on the shipyard once we are back in the yard and it gets warmer for sure. Cheers. B
Hi, guys. Good to see you 'chewing the fat' again. Just my 2-cents worth as I am a bit of an on-land adventurer with a 30 foot motorhome towing a trailer with an adventure motorbike onboard (along with a bunch of other 'toys' such as a kayak, surf board etc) which means I am geared up for some extended touring into remote areas. Whilst I get in excess of 3 months per each 3.5kg gas bottle (x2) for the cooktop and water heater, but only a week when I am also running the Dometic 3-way (propane, 12V, & 240V) powered refrigerator, I also have a 2-burner plug-in electric induction cooktop for my motorhome as a backup (otherwise stored in my storage locker at the rear of the motorhome), and which runs off my rooftop solar panels and/or a small petrol generator when solar energy production is limited by inclement weather which is not often...until lately, that is! My analysis is that propane cooks faster, and is better suited to producing a healthy asian-oriented menu. Of course, I don't have the challenge of multi-country propane regulatory differences but this can be addressed by having suitable adaptors to cater for those variations in nozzle fittings when getting refilled. Bottle type regulatory variations are another matter entirely but are not relevant to me here in Oz. The biggest challenge I have is finding a diminishing number of bulk propane refill retailers in regional towns as everywhere is now mostly 9kg 'swap and go' outlets . I am exploring updating the capacity of my solar panels--3 x 9-year old each of 80W, the largest capacity at the time for panels which almost covered the rooftop area (room for one more)--which could run the refrigerator via a greater capacity inverter whilst the vehicle is static with no access to external 240V power. The bottom line is that I have redundancy alternatives. In your case, you have the added inherent risk of a lightening strike (particularly as you seem to be more inclined to be 'warm-water sailors') which could render your electric-cooking only capacity inoperable if the inverters get 'fried'. Good luck with your deliberations. Cheers.
Cześć Bartek, nie mała draka z tą kuchnią dla Anni nie możesz jej zabrać konfortu codziennego gotowania, u ważam że Annia nie powinna za pomnieć o aranżacji, półeczki na kśiaszki kucharskie, oświetlenie, fajne garnki aby gotowanie było bez stresowe i podane z uśmiechem i radośćią tak sobie myślę że schabowemu czy rybce nie robi to różnicy czy pod garnkiem jest gaz czy płyta indukcyjna to zostawił bym Anni do decyzj co jej sprawia więcej szczęścia.W racając do pytania 6 bótli sześć kolanek przejśćiowych czekają na ponowne u żyćie ludzie to takie proste i uczćiwe kupujemy i używamy do puki dżiała i jest w użyćiu. Masz za dużo kasy to kup jej nowy czajnik. Albo kuchenke :).
Electric induction is also healthier for you - no fumes when cooking to breathe in. Have the outside bbq as backup. Also use pressure cooker and other fast appliances (microwave is not healthy). Use a benchtop inductiin plate to test your idea first, they're great. Remember not all pots can be used on induction.
@@skaraborgcraft ... if that was a genuine question on your part you can do as I have done and do your own research. My conclusion is there are safer, more nutritious and better cooking methods.
@@bobbiejay2085 I have, which is why i asked the question. Every single kitchen i know, private and commercial own and use microwaves. If there was a true health hazard, they would not be sold. I suppose 5G is bad too?
@@skaraborgcraft ... many don't use microwave. I don't. Not true about commercial either. Convection. You will find many people who use and grow organic produce don't use microwaves. Lots of products on the market that aren't good for our health. Sunscreen (also bad for reefs), alcohol, excessive sugar, man-made chemicals (cleaning products, personal), over processed foods, Teflon, tobacco, medicines all carry risks, etc. Microwaves are not a healthy choice in my book - can leak radiation if compromised. That aside - uneven heating, low reheating temperature a risk of food poisoning, affects flavour and I believe nutritional integrity, etc. I haven't used one for decades. I manage 'convenience' in other ways.
@@bobbiejay2085 LOL, "can leak radiation if compromised", well, you can also electrocute yourself with a faulty earth on a cooker that requires Kws of power. People go out of their way to "green wash" lithium batteries in the name of "convenience" while ignoring enviromental consequences.
Hybrid - Electric Oven, two burner gas cooktop and a two burner induction cooktop side by side. Primarily use electric falling back to gas when necessary. Another con of propane is it heats up your cooking space/area both the objects around it and the air in the saloon/galley
never ever have gas on board if you have a choice. I once saw a baby burn to death before my eyes because of a gas leak. The fire was too extensive and too quick to reach the infant. So for me never ever gas on a boat. Safety above everything!
I think your better off running a generator if needed to cook every night…Every country has different propane bottles/ connections…But Regular gasoline is the same everywhere!!! Use solar when you can and supplement your battery Bank with either a generator or Alternators on main engine
To make it even more funny - On Martinique and Guadeloupe propane is not available. They use butane. I could charge my bottle with butane, but they have different fittings.... Sailor life is very brutal. You are facing hard decision. I know that your question is serious but have some fun - Bartek bee a good Polish sailor and switch to alcohol. advantage is that in case you run out of fuel, you can make your own. Lots of Love. Capt. Jack
Induction is safe & efficiant. I saw you when you ran aground, and you were speaking Polish; it was go time, and we knew it. Maybe this is an answer for those moments. I did the math on air bags. If you had a 10ft x 10ft bag = 14,400square inches times my rigid vacuum cleaners 1.8psi would pick up 25,920 pounds. So multiple bags under your decks would lift your boat high to safety. Vacs are slow perhaps a.c. blower fans are quicker. The boilermakers lift a 70 ton tank top with 3 squirrel cage fans.
Large Toaster ovens use much less energy than large house electric ovens and pretty much can do the same things and more...except super large turkeys, etc.
Why both in the one place? Electric inside and propane outside. Also you do not need four place with induction if selected correctly to support different sized pots. If combined with an electric pressure cooker, an Instantpot or similar. This is the most efficient cooking using the least energy and safer due to sealed top. You can decrease the size of the cook top. There are multi fuel burners for emergency you can cook on diesel.
Hi guys, do not buy two separate devices for cooking. Use hybrid one: induction (4 burner)+gas(2burner). It will save lots of space and you will get redundancy.
Induction stove needs special cookware you just can't put a normal pan on it. I see people say run the boat motor but doesn't that defeat the purpose of going green?
Moim skromnym zdaniem, system hybrydowy jest najodpowiedniejszy. Połączenie dwóch systemów zapewnia więcej swobody. Dobrym rozwiązaniem byłoby też wydzielenie zasilania (akumulatorów) dedykowanego do kuchni. Jest jeszcze jedna sprawa, mniej istotna, gotowanie na ogniu robi różnicę w jakości potraw ;) Osobiście nie widziałem profesjonalnej kuchni korzystającej z płyt elektrycznych aczkolwiek obecnie przy indukcji mogę się mylić. Powodzenia!
There are three variables. and only two things known. So from the math, the solution is indeterminant. Said in common language, the dealer chooses. And therefore, all answers are correct. Except for one item you did not mention. Weight and complexity. Complexity says, only one cooking method. Not 2. When it comes to weight, you already know the answer, only one is the answer. The soliton is simple. Electric. How do you deal with not sufficient sun? Again, simple. You install large alternators on the diesel engines that propel the boat. You need 200 amp or more alternators on each diesel engine (do you have one or two?). A charging system that is quite sophisticated so you don't need to baby sit the batteries. You should have two diesel engines for reliability. They don't need to be terribly big or heavy. A three cylinder engine is fine. Or 4 cylinder. But for cooking, electric using induction heating is the real deal. More money, but you will thank me.
And so my question is : when kids begin elementary school what are you going to decide with??? Kids need to stay at home and seeing other friends ,sport ,etc ? Tak czy swietny program
I am using propane which is not much of a problem around the Baltic using adapters. As for you blue water sailors I vote for the hybrid solution offering also always appreciated redundancy.
Cooking takes a lot of energy, as your pans and pots are freely radiating the heat. Not much can be done to limit that for the frying pan, but all the boiling could potentially be done in an thermally insulated vessel. How about eliminating the hobs totally and using the electric pots? You could even try to DIY silicone 'jackets' to futher lower the heat losses.
Parrafin/kerosene. Could carry 6 months worth of cooking fuel on a 25ft boat, and here you are on 50ft saying you dont have enough space. If you want to do the green thing, then electric is the only way to go, if you have enough solar/wind to keep your batteries charged. Charging a battery bank with diesel just to cook is more energy use than burning it direct for the same purpose. The alternative is a raw food diet.
Nie chcę nikogo męczyć i zmuszać do czytania mojego łamanego angielskiego, dlatego napiszę po Polsku. Musicie popatrzeć na jacht całościowo, nie wycinać jego funkcjonalności na poszczególne działy. Jeżeli już zdecydowaliście się na zasilanie silników hybrydowo tzn silniki elektryczne w razie potrzeby wspomagane agregatem prądotwórczym, to zrezygnowałbym z dodatkowych paliw. Czyli skoncentrowałbym się na kuchence elektrycznej. Ułatwi Wam to życie, jest bardziej bezpieczne, lżejsze i wygodniejsze. Co do paneli solarnych, niedawno to przerabiałem. Wybór jest spory, wydajności coraz większe, różne wymiary ogniw. Musicie pomyśleć jak rozplanować pokład aby dołożyć paneli. Może z nich zrobić zadaszenie na tyle, oczywiście albo z mini inverterami lub optymalizatorami bo zawsze będzie padał cień czy od masztu, czy linek itp.... życzę powodzenia w remoncie i udoskonaleniu jachtu.
Dokładnie tędy idziemy. Jak nagrywaliśmy ten odcinek, nie było jeszcze decyzji co do elektryka. Teraz wymiana napędu jest prawie przesądzona, więc oczywistym jest przełączenie kuchni na elektrykę. Pozdrawiamy serdecznie. Bartek
The decision between gas or electric cannot be made separate from the decision how you will upgrade the electrical systems and where/how you will use the boat during the year. I saw that you are planning to move to electric propulsion and in that case I think that using an electric oven and cooktop is a no brainer as you will have the battery capacity and electric power installed that you need anyway. Cooking for a family can require 2-3 hot plates + the oven at the same time and if you cannot power your kitchen with at least 3kW this will not be fun. But I assume you will run a rather big solar system with wind/waterpower generators, liion batteries and high power invertors so why still bother with gas (exept for some mobile camping type stove as a backup)?
i think both conventional methods are bad.... why are people only thinking this burner or that burner ,, just get cooking appliances makes life easier ,, slow cooker and a coffee machine ,, you done
In a conventional house most people prefer gas. Heats quicker more control of the flame etc. I would assume on a boat gas would be preferred as well. From a cooking perspective
New generation induction hobs with the right Pans are as quick to heat up but you have to adjust to not seeing anything other than whats going on in the pot and they have to sit flat.
The latest inductions hobs on the highest setting are MUCH quicker to heat up than a gas hob. The gas is quicker and easier to adjust (Maybe I will get better at it with practice).
Ceramic gas cooktop with hidden flame under plate has bad opinion. Generally problem with cleaning. IMHO induction cooktop and small gas turist heater as backup system.
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What is the story with engine?
I have both options. When there is lots of sun for the panels, I use electric. During the rainy season, I use gas mostly. I am in the Philippines.
We have 600 amp hours of LiFePo4 batteries and 1800w of solar. We threw out our gas to only the barbecue. Inside we put in a 2 plate induction cooktop, a 30 l toaster electric oven which does everything we need, electric kettle and microwave. It takes about 100amphours for a full meal. We are very happy with the change over
Hi Guys, slowly catching up on the videos and they are great. I haven't read the comments myself and someone may have already made this recommendation.
You've probably already made the decision on a cooktop, but the RV industry (recreational vehicle) has had combined gas/electric tops for years in 2, 4,and 6 burner style's. This will give you an all in one set-up without having to pull something out of a cupboard to use and than re-stow.
Great suggestion! But ... we'd like to get rid of the LPG system aboard altogether. It gives me creeps all these years ;)
Go electric and have a two burner propane camper type cooktop in a locker nearby. Just use the small propane bottles. You’ll be using electric most of the time anyway. Love your boat.
second that
you will be able to use the camping stove when exploring
Like that :-)
I'm putting in a propane system on my boat. Tankless water heater, outdoor grill, and indoor stove all on propane. Then I am putting a microwave/air fryer combo unit where the old propane oven used to go. If I find out a small convection oven/air fryer works out better for me than the microwave I'll swap them out. My situation is a little different because I'm not ocean cruising, it's just sitting in the local river going around it. I just don't want to have to deal with running a generator to eat food or take a hot shower, which in our rainy season will be mandatory for several months out of the year.
I liked the video.
What propane stove do you recommend? I'm looking for a 2 burner. Thx
I am definitely going with induction oven , I do not want Gas on my boat, primarily reason it safety.
Gas is heavy and will end up in the lowers part of the boat normally where the engine is…..
This is just how I think !
Nice to hear from u guy's again. Can't wait until u sail again
Us too! 😍
We are also going through this decision and are going to buy a cheap induction plate that we will put on top of our stove. If it doesn't work out, we're only a few dollars out of pocket. If it does work out, we will replace the gas with induction. The only loss will be all our lovely copper bottomed pots. Thanks for your videos
Can a magnetic plate UNDER the pot work? The plate will heat up and then the heat will be transferred to your non-magnetic pot as per normal.
Magnetic plate works really good 👍
@@jacekcentkowski979 It will work, but far les efficient. You get the result from a conventional electric cooktop. ie. You loose all the benefits of the induction
Would recommend to go for full electric - induction as a cook top and buy a small generator as backup!
i wonder what the generator burns, hm
@@USA4thewin the generator is just a backup
One of the means of generating energy you forgot to mention. You mentioned generator, solar and big batteries. However, there is another option. No generator and using the Integral or tow large Balmer alternators with external regulators (a few cruisers are doing the latter now).
As for the stove/oven, go induction and have an outside (cockpit) propane grill as your "backup". Not sure if you really use the oven, or that could be replaced by a convection microwave (microwave & oven all in one). Also, use items like pressure cooker.
Thanks for the videos and earnestly watching !
Hydrogenerators and regen on electric/hybrid engines are options, too.
We have 300 Watts of solar, two freezers and use like 8-15 percent of our daily energy cooking. Bought a air-fryer-toaster oven and electric cooktop for $200. The propane oven had an accident so we use the propane grill outside only. SV Delos did a conversion, and Will Prowse did a 280AH battery build here on YT that will save you many thousands on battery costs.
Go for both, I Love cooking as being a retired chef, gas is best, but money induction, microwave etc is brilliant on a boat, fast & reliable I would always go for both, as a survival point of view,
My home, I have wood stove & fire, coal, oil, Gas, recycled oil, charcoal, solar & wind.
Love your Sailing Vessel - hope to be building & fitting out my Dream TRI -Sailling Vessel start Date 1st January 2023 - fingers crossed.
Hope ti's has been a help hope to see you both on the water in the near future.
Happy Sailling From David.
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i like the flexibility of having both options. That way when you are out of propane or battery power, or if something is broken, you can still cook. Redundancy...
We went full electric. The whole point was to no longer have to deal with refills in all sorts of different countries/systems. We're very happy with the choice. Of course we had to add solars to handle it without the genset. Cheers. Bartek
I would have a induction because when you turn I down it draws less kW which is kinder to the batteries/inverter. Also have a small barbeque outside for emergency and for cooking fish on.
Changed to induction cooktop and microwave convection oven a year ago. No regrets and would not ever go back.
The induction cooktop comes with a marine adapter... a mounded piece of silicone.. cleanups is easy!
I carried a two burner camper stove around for a year and never got if out.
Hi Brian. How many batteries do you have? LiFePo4 ? Solar panels? Thanks
@@ruggieroascione2989 15kwh for the house batteries. 1600w solar. No generator. I do run the heatpump a lot.
Good solution that seems to reappear in the comments. Thanks mate. Cheers. Bartek
We are planning an electric induction top, microwave/convection combination oven and instant pot pressure cooker with a alcohol camping stove backup. Another comment said a full meal takes 100 watt hours which is something I want to test.
Have you seen what they did on sailing Atticus 2
Będę w Cesarskiej 21.01.22. Jest szansa zwiedzić trimaran? Na jak jesteście etapie remontu?
Zapraszamy jakos. w maju lub później.Pozdrowionka. Bartek
For me it is a brilliant idea to have both systems on board!!!! kind regards Alex
induction top/stove and gas barbecue (small propane bottle)
We have installed 2 burners electric and use them whenever possible. But it is not a perfect solution. There are times we do not have the power for them during winter. We then use a camping alcohol stove we store unless needed. As mentioned about propane, it is the connector debacle. I feel that in ten years this will not even be a debate. We use a solar oven when we can also.
what is the name of the song from 8:29 ?
I not that experience with sailboat but you have more control on your heat with propane, but with induction you eliminate a big headache that is propane. Personally if you have the power for induction go for it,and go for a portable cooktop that takes small propane bottles and you can always make adapter to fill them up with a regular gas tank ,i know delos changes over for induction for the simple logistics of propane.
That's exactly the way we are heading specially with more probable decision to go electric on propulsion as well. Thank you> Cheers. Bartek
@@sailoceans on propulsion is the capacity of regenerate energy is going to be your biggest headache, but new lithium battery will charge much faster and as a backup up you can always make a adapter that mount on the back for a outboard like the garcia exploration sailboat
Great part, love it listen about a technical issue. More knowledge and advice for further sailing people. Keep going with both channels and thanks for the upload vblogs ;)
Thanks, will do!
Heh! We are planning the same thing on our boat. We currently have a four-burner propane stove top, but it is old and ready to be replaced. After talking about it, we decided to go with a two-burner propane replacement, which will give us more counter space. We will also add an outlet for a portable induction cooker, which we can use when we have power for it.
What about a diesel stovetop or oven like the Wallace?
I'm thinking electric with a LP backup 🤔. It would be nice to be all solar but at times you may not have enough sunlight to charge your batteries and I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave yourself short. Need lights at night...
G'day, what is the brand of the super efficient propane cook top? I am building a 12m cat and am thinking of using the GN Espace gas oven but undecided on the cooktop.. Maybe an Eno 2 burner and a single induction... Cheers Russell.
Once again, I enjoy your vids. I will get rid of propane 100%. Add a alternator to your engine to charge your lithiums, add your solars as well as your genset and you should never have a problem. Many modern performance cruisers don't even have generators anymore! Also remember, a hybrid still leaves you with the cylinders, connectors ans what you have not mentioned, the effort to get it to a place to have it refilled, back to the boat and then connecting it. How much do your filled cylinders weigh? Big alternator, enough solar with enough lithium and I think you can even get away without a gen...
Delos has converted to induction - gimbled even. If you have the Lithium powerbank for it, it is safer. Even Force 10 offers them now. In case of really bad weather, you'll need to run the generator. With a fast trimaran a hydro-generator/or regen could put in quite a bit into the batteries, too. And then, I like the camping-cooker backup idea ...
Can anyone recommend a reliable 2 burner propane stove? Thx
Hej :) Są płyty indukcyjno-gazowe np. 4 pola indukcji i 1 pole gazowe na wypadek braku prądu
To wszystko zależy od pojemności baterii jak i mocy paneli ale przy takim dużym dachu da się to ogarnąć. Znam ludzi którzy używają indukcji w kamperze zasilanym pv. Ale dodatkowo jedną butle gazu zostawiłbym z jakimś przenośną płytą gazową na wszelki wypadek.
Keep your desiel engine and upgrade the alternator, or add a second. It could then be your backup power for the batteries. It could then be used for those situations where the sun doesn't shine for long periods of time. I am sure you know propane is very dangerous on boats.
I like your idea of using a standard home oven, but it will have to be made of marine-grade stainless steel, so that it will not rust out in six months. Also, there will need to be extra layers of fire-retardant insulation around it, because home ovens require additional venting/breathing space around them.
An electric cook top (induction?) would be perfect, with a two-burner propane stove as a back up.
Your videos are an inspiration and your great good humour always makes me smile. Cheers!
Thank you :). Great ideas. Cheers. B
don't use propane as your backup fuel, use alcohol fuel. cheap, non-explosive and can be bought any where. stock up on lots of cheap polish vodka :-))
i've not heard of anyone going electric back to whatever. if they did, they were probably under powered(electric).
i understand your problem , go to SV uma, they have a total electric boat
It's solved. We will publish a technical boat tour soon.
I wonder how efficient are induction cooktops nowadays ? I'm pondering replacing an old, traditional cooktop at home, with the induction one, thinking it should be much more efficient.
Any thoughts ?
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Fastest way to cook is Induction .. just need Stainless or Cast Iron Cookware!!
VERY efficient. Most of the energy goes into heating the base of the pot, not heating the sides or the air in the salon! Also, cool handles, easy to clean and super safe! We combined ours with a convection microwave, works well for us!
*Wow !!!!*
Sv delos (also on TH-cam )have been electric for a few years now , they had a few videos about it , the pros and cons , how much power the used ect .
How about an induction hob with a propane wok burner and an electric oven/microwave? Neff Domino Hobs are nice…
I switched to Electic for the Safety. I know my luck ... lol
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One more point I forgot to make. Using induction vs propane GREATLY reduces the amount of heat radiated into the kitchen area, thereby keeping the kitchen area cooler since you are not cooking with open flame.
Great point!
You can get combo cooktops that have both gas and IH elements.
Please consider an alternative back up. One is none, two is one. Meaning if the electrics fail you will have no way of cooking food or heating water, having butane in small canisters and a two burner stove will allow you to fall back on this when necessary. Looking forward to seeing your revamped boat..
Have you considered diesel stove
What about the heat they create in the galley?
@@PerformanceTrimaran had one in a camper no problem
I have an RV with both propane and a 1 burner induction countertop unit. I do 90% of my cooking on the induction because it boils water faster and it's very easy to lessen the amount of heat you are cooking with. While inductions takes a good amount of power to boil water (couple minutes) it uses less than half to cover the pan and cook at lower heat. I would just get a countertop propane 2 burner unit you can use very occasionally if necessary, thereby saving countertop space. You can refill the small canisters yourselves with a larger bottle. Just my opinion and preference.
If you have sufficient means of collecting and storing electricity (solar, wind or hydro) then all electric appears to be a completely logical solution. However in the rare occasion that you don't have sufficient electrical supply then having a backup makes sense. In that scenario having something as simple as a reasonably sized gas grill with a side burner could be more that sufficient. With little or no effort the grill can serve its advertised function, also be an oven, and with the side burner you can boil water. From a safety perspective this also makes sense since the grill will likely be outside. I think this type of thinking can also be applied to your electric motor installation. From a pilots perspective, its about how many back-ups you need to reduce your margin of risk.
We should have plenty of solar power. If I had to use a genset to cook I would not even entertain this idea. Cheers. Bartek
For propulsion I went from diesel to electric and now for cooking I'm going propane to induction. Have been testing induction at home, and very happy with it.
Primary reason for me to get rid of propane is safety and complicated regulations.
But can only go with induction because I have a 11kW LiFePO4 battery bank.
Why can't you use microwave? Uses less power than an Induction hob. I have both, but i use the microwave more
IDK man, I've really been on the fence about switching to electric propulsion... Will that 11kw get you through the panama canal at a minimum of 5kts without stopping to charge? I ask, because it's my understanding you have to be able to complete the full trip, and it's 80km just from ocean to ocean, so 100km @5kts?
I know eliminating propane is safer, but how much safer? (There are two standards: lower insurance rate or insurance requirement, and statistics.)
My first thought for the boat I have on order is induction, but I'd also always carry my two-burner Coleman camp stove. (I've used the same one for maybe 30 years.It's propane.) It's compact, stow it anywhere; take it to the beach, out in the cockpit. It works as well as a regular house stove/hob - with a one-pound propane bottle it's completely portable.
I also bought a single induction burner ($70-90). Works okay, but I think I need to use my cast iron skillet. With my thinner carbon steel skillet there's a 'burnt food' ring about 15 cm diameter about 4 cm wide around the middle. Don't know if more expensive induction burners spread out the hot spot. I'd want to investigate that burnt food situation before I spent a lot of money and time installing it. Heat up time compared to gas - induction is probably faster.
Maybe induction installed in the galley. There's nothing portable about it - you always have to plug in. And then a Coleman stove as a back up -it's completely portable. (Wow, they are the same price I think I paid 30 years ago. They do make some that look really nice.)
The propane tank fitting thing is nuts. Did everybody put grumpy old generals on their regulatory panels? (Anyone make a manifold with all the different fittings so you can fill up your tanks anywhere in the world? Adapters?) Using a small fitting I refill the one-pound bottles (more portable) from my bigger tank. (I'm in the U.S.) So if I used the Coleman stove in the galley, even every day for long periods, I'd still just use the small one-pound tanks. They'd last at least a week, takes less than 5 minutes to refill.
Yes, the problem is we actually made fittings to convert connections to fill tanks in different countries, but as I mentioned in the video most countries don't allow to connect anything but their own approved tanks to fill. Period. That's where the ingenuity of the multiconnector stops dead in its tracks. :(
As a home cook, it takes a while to adjust to Induction because it is much hotter quicker. Once you burn a few things you realize that it is much faster and change accordingly. I am planning for induction when I get my cat. Like driving my Tesla, you have to commit to it!
Thanks for the tips!
Zapewne liczyliście już, zapytam więc z czystej ciekawości. Jakiej mocy macie generator (wystarczy do obsługi piekarnika elektrycznego, albo sensownego gotowania na indukcji?)? Czy wychodzi duża różnica w kosztach pomiędzy używaniem kuchenki gazowej, a wystartowaniem generatora wyłącznie na potrzeby kuchenki. W moim osobistym odczuciu bezpieczeństwo przede wszystkim, więc gdybym na Waszym miejscu miałbym możliwość, żeby pozbyć się gazu to bym to robił. PS. Zawsze możecie kupić płytę, która ma 2 palniki gazowe i 2 elektryczne (są przecie takie hybrydy, nawet nie byłoby utraty miejsca na blacie.
In my opinion best solution is go to diversification of the source in your kitchen. I will leave gas stove and add the induction cooktop. 🙂
The route I'm going is electric cooking for the boat, and then a small propane grill with the little bottles for dinners on the beach or things that just don't turn out well on electric.
That seems to be the really cool compromise prevailing among the comments and the likely route we gonna take. Thanks for the confirmations. Cheers mate. Bartek
I am going all electric. When i need to make a brew and i have no power i will have a small gas burner stove stowed away. 🤞
Perfect!
I use both propane and electric (induction) at home. One induction and 2 propane. I absolutely love the induction! It is extremely efficient. My only reason for retaining propane is frequent power outages. There is no such thing as an "efficient propane" cooktop. They all use flame, and the only way to improve efficiency is cookware itself. I rarely use my propane oven, and instead use an Emerell Legasse electric pressure cooker with an air fryer lid which is extremely fast and efficient. Essentially a convection oven. But I cook for ONE. I would highly recommend using a convection oven for reduced cooking times if you choose electric. It's very significant. It might be worth looking at a pressure oven....Any heat you can retain will save energy.
In most cases you are going to have either solar or wind or regen (wind)...... how flexible are you? Camping type propane / butane. or liquid fuel stove for backup.... if you are willing to resort to that is a viable option. A generator is also an option but extremely inefficient, at less than 20%. How often do you anticipate not having sufficient solar or wind? Another important consideration is salt air and it's effect on electronics. Using induction, I would use a modular system with replacements in vac sealed containers. In addition you are using AC, and that is more electronics. You are 100% dependent on an inverter, either PSW, of MSW. If this fails you are screwed. This is one item on a boat I would definitely carry a spare of.
*** Note that there are options like so called "thermal cookers", which are heavily insulated such that you bring what you are cooking up to temp, then place it in an insulated container and allow it to cook using residual heat. I personally use Sous Vide constantly..... which cooks things at very low temps for long periods of time. I often cook at temps as low as 130F. This technology paired with insulation could be very efficient. Energy efficiency is key here. Typical cooking is very inefficient. For example insulating a cooking vessel can make a HUGE difference in fuel consumption by eliminating thermal radiation. Boiling is extremely wasteful due to the energy consumed in conversion of water to steam, and is NOT necessary. Again look at Sous Vide, and the temps used. It yields superior product. Likewise pressure cooking is extremely efficient due to the elimination of converting water to vapor. An Instant Pot type cooker is far more efficient than stove top cooking.
Diffinitly have both.I would just have a secret top over the gas,so you don't lose counter space.For safty you can keep the gas shut off.Fair winds on your project,from Canada 🇨🇦 C.C.R real wood boat 🏴☠️ 🚢 😎
ANd what about a full electric installation for the kitchen and a barbecue with propane? As you mentionned, you keep an alternativ in case of bad weather because you can cook a lot of things in a barbecue especially if you close it.
Ja osobiście zaryzykowałbym i kupil plyte 2w1 indukcja z gazem. Ale też naczynia będziecie musieli mieć do indykcji odpowiednie🤔
Hi, have you ever wondered about the alcohol stove? You will have no problems replacing the gas cylinders. Alcohol can be used for cleaning in case something spills out. I've seen TH-cam videos where people who swapped gas for alcohol were very happy with the result.
CO2 is not a greenhouse gas, it is the food plants need. Releasing CO2 is the greenest thing you can do. However, induction cooking is safer and more convenient.
I never managed first comment so far ! Have you already decided on the new propulsion? One other thing, aside from boating. I heard an art museum is now open within the Lenin yard premises. Maybe you can give us few minutes on it ?
Most likely electric with medium size genset for emergencies. We'll do something on the shipyard once we are back in the yard and it gets warmer for sure. Cheers. B
New hairstyle big plus, nice boat too :)
Thanks!
Hi, guys. Good to see you 'chewing the fat' again.
Just my 2-cents worth as I am a bit of an on-land adventurer with a 30 foot motorhome towing a trailer with an adventure motorbike onboard (along with a bunch of other 'toys' such as a kayak, surf board etc) which means I am geared up for some extended touring into remote areas. Whilst I get in excess of 3 months per each 3.5kg gas bottle (x2) for the cooktop and water heater, but only a week when I am also running the Dometic 3-way (propane, 12V, & 240V) powered refrigerator, I also have a 2-burner plug-in electric induction cooktop for my motorhome as a backup (otherwise stored in my storage locker at the rear of the motorhome), and which runs off my rooftop solar panels and/or a small petrol generator when solar energy production is limited by inclement weather which is not often...until lately, that is!
My analysis is that propane cooks faster, and is better suited to producing a healthy asian-oriented menu. Of course, I don't have the challenge of multi-country propane regulatory differences but this can be addressed by having suitable adaptors to cater for those variations in nozzle fittings when getting refilled. Bottle type regulatory variations are another matter entirely but are not relevant to me here in Oz. The biggest challenge I have is finding a diminishing number of bulk propane refill retailers in regional towns as everywhere is now mostly 9kg 'swap and go' outlets .
I am exploring updating the capacity of my solar panels--3 x 9-year old each of 80W, the largest capacity at the time for panels which almost covered the rooftop area (room for one more)--which could run the refrigerator via a greater capacity inverter whilst the vehicle is static with no access to external 240V power.
The bottom line is that I have redundancy alternatives. In your case, you have the added inherent risk of a lightening strike (particularly as you seem to be more inclined to be 'warm-water sailors') which could render your electric-cooking only capacity inoperable if the inverters get 'fried'.
Good luck with your deliberations. Cheers.
Good points mate. Thank you for sharing. Cheers and happy campering. Bartek
czemu ostatnie filmy tylko po angielsku ??
Bo wszystkie polskie są na Polskim kanale. Zapraszamy.
Cześć Bartek, nie mała draka z tą kuchnią dla Anni nie możesz jej zabrać konfortu codziennego gotowania, u ważam że Annia nie powinna za pomnieć o aranżacji, półeczki na kśiaszki kucharskie, oświetlenie, fajne garnki aby gotowanie było bez stresowe i podane z uśmiechem i radośćią tak sobie myślę że schabowemu czy rybce nie robi to różnicy czy pod garnkiem jest gaz czy płyta indukcyjna to zostawił bym Anni do decyzj co jej sprawia więcej szczęścia.W racając do pytania 6 bótli sześć kolanek przejśćiowych czekają na ponowne u żyćie ludzie to takie proste i uczćiwe kupujemy i używamy do puki dżiała i jest w użyćiu. Masz za dużo kasy to kup jej nowy czajnik. Albo kuchenke :).
Fastest way to cook is Induction .. just need Stainless or Cast Iron Cookware!!
Maybe Electric and a small panda fisher generator ?
Electric induction is also healthier for you - no fumes when cooking to breathe in. Have the outside bbq as backup. Also use pressure cooker and other fast appliances (microwave is not healthy). Use a benchtop inductiin plate to test your idea first, they're great. Remember not all pots can be used on induction.
What evidence do you have for "microwave not healthy"?
@@skaraborgcraft ... if that was a genuine question on your part you can do as I have done and do your own research. My conclusion is there are safer, more nutritious and better cooking methods.
@@bobbiejay2085 I have, which is why i asked the question. Every single kitchen i know, private and commercial own and use microwaves. If there was a true health hazard, they would not be sold. I suppose 5G is bad too?
@@skaraborgcraft ... many don't use microwave. I don't. Not true about commercial either. Convection. You will find many people who use and grow organic produce don't use microwaves. Lots of products on the market that aren't good for our health. Sunscreen (also bad for reefs), alcohol, excessive sugar, man-made chemicals (cleaning products, personal), over processed foods, Teflon, tobacco, medicines all carry risks, etc. Microwaves are not a healthy choice in my book - can leak radiation if compromised. That aside - uneven heating, low reheating temperature a risk of food poisoning, affects flavour and I believe nutritional integrity, etc. I haven't used one for decades. I manage 'convenience' in other ways.
@@bobbiejay2085 LOL, "can leak radiation if compromised", well, you can also electrocute yourself with a faulty earth on a cooker that requires Kws of power. People go out of their way to "green wash" lithium batteries in the name of "convenience" while ignoring enviromental consequences.
Go electric and store extra diesel to charge - weight of bottle and cooker means you could carry any extra 50L diesel
Hybrid - Electric Oven, two burner gas cooktop and a two burner induction cooktop side by side. Primarily use electric falling back to gas when necessary.
Another con of propane is it heats up your cooking space/area both the objects around it and the air in the saloon/galley
never ever have gas on board if you have a choice. I once saw a baby burn to death before my eyes because of a gas leak. The fire was too extensive and too quick to reach the infant. So for me never ever gas on a boat. Safety above everything!
Point taken. Induction it is :). Cheers. Bartek
I think your better off running a generator if needed to cook every night…Every country has different propane bottles/ connections…But Regular gasoline is the same everywhere!!!
Use solar when you can and supplement your battery Bank with either a generator or Alternators on main engine
To make it even more funny - On Martinique and Guadeloupe propane is not available. They use butane. I could charge my bottle with butane, but they have different fittings.... Sailor life is very brutal.
You are facing hard decision. I know that your question is serious but have some fun - Bartek bee a good Polish sailor and switch to alcohol. advantage is that in case you run out of fuel, you can make your own. Lots of Love. Capt. Jack
Hahaha, that would be cool. My fuel would be safe, cause I don't drink. Very unPolish :D. Cheers mate. Bartek
Uwielbiam Was oglądać, ale niestety nie każdy zna język angielski 😒 Czy byłaby szansa na ten odcinek w języku polskim?
nie wiem czy wam by sie chciało :P ale jak byście te same odcinki nagrali po polsku , to było by super :)
Już są, poszukaj dobrze :D
Żeby być fair to akurat na temat gazu nie ma po Polsku. Pozdrowionka. Bartek
@@sailoceans no właśnie , nie ma 😛🙈🥳
Induction is safe & efficiant. I saw you when you ran aground, and you were speaking Polish; it was go time, and we knew it. Maybe this is an answer for those moments. I did the math on air bags. If you had a 10ft x 10ft bag = 14,400square inches times my rigid vacuum cleaners 1.8psi would pick up 25,920 pounds. So multiple bags under your decks would lift your boat high to safety. Vacs are slow perhaps a.c. blower fans are quicker. The boilermakers lift a 70 ton tank top with 3 squirrel cage fans.
Cool idea. Thanks. Porblem is carrying all this stuff around.
Large Toaster ovens use much less energy than large house electric ovens and pretty much can do the same things and more...except super large turkeys, etc.
Great point!
Get a portable induction plate and try it out they are cheap.
Try induction cooktops x 2 burners. Trash the propane
Why both in the one place? Electric inside and propane outside. Also you do not need four place with induction if selected correctly to support different sized pots. If combined with an electric pressure cooker, an Instantpot or similar. This is the most efficient cooking using the least energy and safer due to sealed top. You can decrease the size of the cook top. There are multi fuel burners for emergency you can cook on diesel.
All electric, 4 years, no propane except for the BBQ.
Coool! What's your setup?
@@sailoceans PM sent.
Hi guys, do not buy two separate devices for cooking. Use hybrid one: induction (4 burner)+gas(2burner). It will save lots of space and you will get redundancy.
Cool thanks. :)
If it breaks its All toast = bad idea
Induction stove needs special cookware you just can't put a normal pan on it. I see people say run the boat motor but doesn't that defeat the purpose of going green?
It would if we did not run the induction off of the solar panels. Cheers. B
Moim skromnym zdaniem, system hybrydowy jest najodpowiedniejszy. Połączenie dwóch systemów zapewnia więcej swobody. Dobrym rozwiązaniem byłoby też wydzielenie zasilania (akumulatorów) dedykowanego do kuchni. Jest jeszcze jedna sprawa, mniej istotna, gotowanie na ogniu robi różnicę w jakości potraw ;) Osobiście nie widziałem profesjonalnej kuchni korzystającej z płyt elektrycznych aczkolwiek obecnie przy indukcji mogę się mylić. Powodzenia!
Zgadzam się. Będziemy mieli osobny zestaw akumulatorów do spraw domowych i do silników. Pozdrowionka. Bartek
There are three variables. and only two things known. So from the math, the solution is indeterminant. Said in common language, the dealer chooses. And therefore, all answers are correct. Except for one item you did not mention. Weight and complexity. Complexity says, only one cooking method. Not 2. When it comes to weight, you already know the answer, only one is the answer. The soliton is simple. Electric. How do you deal with not sufficient sun? Again, simple. You install large alternators on the diesel engines that propel the boat. You need 200 amp or more alternators on each diesel engine (do you have one or two?). A charging system that is quite sophisticated so you don't need to baby sit the batteries. You should have two diesel engines for reliability. They don't need to be terribly big or heavy. A three cylinder engine is fine. Or 4 cylinder. But for cooking, electric using induction heating is the real deal. More money, but you will thank me.
Watch the new boat tour we just published to see how we worked it out. Cheers. B
And so my question is : when kids begin elementary school what are you going to decide with??? Kids need to stay at home and seeing other friends ,sport ,etc ? Tak czy swietny program
Hmmm a gdzie melodyjka grana przez Bartka? Ps w sprawie kuchni, nie doradzę 😉
I am using propane which is not much of a problem around the Baltic using adapters. As for you blue water sailors I vote for the hybrid solution offering also always appreciated redundancy.
4:21 A major con, sums up the EU
Cooking takes a lot of energy, as your pans and pots are freely radiating the heat. Not much can be done to limit that for the frying pan, but all the boiling could potentially be done in an thermally insulated vessel. How about eliminating the hobs totally and using the electric pots? You could even try to DIY silicone 'jackets' to futher lower the heat losses.
Parrafin/kerosene. Could carry 6 months worth of cooking fuel on a 25ft boat, and here you are on 50ft saying you dont have enough space. If you want to do the green thing, then electric is the only way to go, if you have enough solar/wind to keep your batteries charged. Charging a battery bank with diesel just to cook is more energy use than burning it direct for the same purpose. The alternative is a raw food diet.
Nie chcę nikogo męczyć i zmuszać do czytania mojego łamanego angielskiego, dlatego napiszę po Polsku.
Musicie popatrzeć na jacht całościowo, nie wycinać jego funkcjonalności na poszczególne działy. Jeżeli już zdecydowaliście się na zasilanie silników hybrydowo tzn silniki elektryczne w razie potrzeby wspomagane agregatem prądotwórczym, to zrezygnowałbym z dodatkowych paliw.
Czyli skoncentrowałbym się na kuchence elektrycznej. Ułatwi Wam to życie, jest bardziej bezpieczne, lżejsze i wygodniejsze.
Co do paneli solarnych, niedawno to przerabiałem. Wybór jest spory, wydajności coraz większe, różne wymiary ogniw. Musicie pomyśleć jak rozplanować pokład aby dołożyć paneli. Może z nich zrobić zadaszenie na tyle, oczywiście albo z mini inverterami lub optymalizatorami bo zawsze będzie padał cień czy od masztu, czy linek itp.... życzę powodzenia w remoncie i udoskonaleniu jachtu.
Dokładnie tędy idziemy. Jak nagrywaliśmy ten odcinek, nie było jeszcze decyzji co do elektryka. Teraz wymiana napędu jest prawie przesądzona, więc oczywistym jest przełączenie kuchni na elektrykę. Pozdrawiamy serdecznie. Bartek
The decision between gas or electric cannot be made separate from the decision how you will upgrade the electrical systems and where/how you will use the boat during the year. I saw that you are planning to move to electric propulsion and in that case I think that using an electric oven and cooktop is a no brainer as you will have the battery capacity and electric power installed that you need anyway. Cooking for a family can require 2-3 hot plates + the oven at the same time and if you cannot power your kitchen with at least 3kW this will not be fun. But I assume you will run a rather big solar system with wind/waterpower generators, liion batteries and high power invertors so why still bother with gas (exept for some mobile camping type stove as a backup)?
We invite you to watch the new boat tour series being published to see how we worked it out. Cheers. B
Induction cooktop with dutch oven.
i think both conventional methods are bad.... why are people only thinking this burner or that burner ,, just get cooking appliances makes life easier ,, slow cooker and a coffee machine ,, you done
Another valid point of view :)
In a conventional house most people prefer gas. Heats quicker more control of the flame etc. I would assume on a boat gas would be preferred as well. From a cooking perspective
I agree with you reasoning. It's the safety and logistics of different tanks and connection n each country that spoil the fun. Cheers. Bartek
@@sailoceans that’s true. Thanks for replying. Merry Christmas to your family hope the boat rebuild keeps going smoothly.
New generation induction hobs with the right Pans are as quick to heat up but you have to adjust to not seeing anything other than whats going on in the pot and they have to sit flat.
The latest inductions hobs on the highest setting are MUCH quicker to heat up than a gas hob. The gas is quicker and easier to adjust (Maybe I will get better at it with practice).
Why not go electric and have gas BBQ outside.
Ceramic gas cooktop with hidden flame under plate has bad opinion. Generally problem with cleaning. IMHO induction cooktop and small gas turist heater as backup system.