Reading these comments realizing most of them haven’t actually watched White Lotus and don’t get that the whole point of the show is to showcase the bad behavior of humans, especially ones in the upper echelons of wealth.
@MasteroMatter it can be highlighting the unhealthy masculinity without exclusively highlighting it. Pretty sure all the people regardless we’re up to some Bs, this short just doesn’t cover that too.
Nah. I watched both seasons. Everyone has their own interpretation of what the point of the show is. It really about how rich white adults and kids behaves around privileges, money, status, relationships etc. It isn’t about bad or good.
@@masteromatter8782 yeh agree, this clip is terrible, a very one sided take. I bet they Lucia symphasizers say things like wow what a Queen haha what a joke.
Men are stupid creatures what I have learned is that these type of messages are not meant to teach men anything it’s meant for women to pick a better men. When a woman picks a better man all other men will change their behavior to up their chances at getting women
You forgot the Apologizer (Dom’s character). Notoriously messes up and dumps on women but ultimately thinks they can be bought with enough money, fancy things, or tears. Weaponizes woman's need to see emotion and remorse by crying and saying sorry but refuses to ever actually change.
@@smita568 I don’t think he made progress at all I think he was just caught up in the moment and recognize his mistakes through his son but that didn’t mean that he was going to change at all
And not just the rich... it shows everyone does what interests them like the girls, the recepcionist, the piano girl and her friend, also the "nephew".
Season 1 : "white man bad" because of "colonism" Season 2 "white man bad" in general Season 3(probably) white man bad because they don't like ladyboys. More woke garbage from HBO
I loved the scene at the end when all three of the men in that family turned to oggle that woman walking past. Albie believes he is better than his outwardly misogynistic father and grandfather but at his core he views women the same way.
Women and men are wired differently. Feminists don't understand that, they even want us to sit down to pee, I kid you not. They attack manspreading not realizing we have testicles and crushing them together is very painful. Feminists even say that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. What man says that about women? Instead they say "you can't live with them, you can't live without them."
By that if you mean that he’s straight, I guess so. I don’t think Albie will be the philanderer that his father and grandfather are. The one thing I could not stand about him is he takes a very woke stance on women, but yet offered up his own mother as a bargaining chip to get money from his dad to pay a prostitute. Go figure.
A lot of “woke” people just like to pretend they are to feel morally superior. They have the same biases and harmful thinking/behaviour as anyone else.
If Albi represents toxic masculinity there is no hope for anyone. Dude was a complete “simp” with almost no traditional masculinity. Even Portia says it he isn’t dangerous enough she wants to be excited. The white knight complex doesn’t come from a place of masculinity in his case it comes from how insecure he is with women and he thinks that if he is just nicer to them they will love him.
@@Gabby-hw7my right. Sometimes the women can have the power of sex. Especially with a kid like Albi. He was a mark and she took him to the bank. But I think she did feel bad just not bad enough to not rip him off.
@MasteroMatter I agree, it’s a traditional masculine trait and I don’t see why that’s a bad thing. It’s personally attractive to me when a man is protective of a woman he likes. If they prefer non traditional gender roles that’s totally okay and I support that. But I like a few traditional traits, and I think that isn’t toxic at all like the people here are saying.
I really think that for Ethan is just more than that, more than toxic masculinity ( even if is still toxic ) i think that is a simplification of what everything is about, i think all the dynamics with the 4 charaters is a lot about cheating / fellings / monotonia / habits or even monogamy. especially after Daphne story with her coach and the call with their sons, and one who look exactlly like her coach
Nice you described pretty much all humanity. We all have our « toxic » traits to some extent and are not only that but much more. Regardless of gender people have so much more to show than one trait shown on a TH-cam short 🥲
I've come to notice that every time there's a guy, fictional or not and he's an a hole, people ALWAYS bring it down to his 'toxic masculinity' . But when a woman has a horrible, bitter attitude, people don't blame her femininity and I find that VERY interesting.
Because people are tards. If the world's top scientists, psychologists, and sociologists were granted billions of dollars to study this, they would come to the same exact conclusion... people are tarded. Plain and simple.
every heard of patriarchy and how that affects women but also men? jesus go learn about it instead of going bUt wOmEN, women haven’t profited for thousand of heads from placing themselves in positions of powers and keeping men down have they?? there’s nothing VERY interesting about your argument you’re just being ignorant
I believe it's because of the two different ways masculinity and feminity are constructed. Yes they're both social concepts that each come with certains expectations regarding behaviors, ways of dressing, ways of being, etc. but Masculinity is also a social status : hard to obtain and even harder to maintain. It's all very messed up and so very easy for a man to fall too far on the end of the spectrum. That being said toxic feminity also exist, but the social contexts of both masculinity and feminity are so different it's hard to properly compare the two.
When women are shitty she’s morally implicated in feminine ways too. She’s called a slut, a whore, a bitch, a cunt, a seductress, a witch. Ever notice how many curse words are designed specifically to disparage women? There’s entire bodies of literature dedicated to bashing women for their femininity. How can you be this out of touch? Not seeing world through the eyes of anyone but yourself and your victim complex is a dangerous thing. Misogyny is everywhere and you’re priority is “boo-hoo men being bullied” while women have to deal with actual oppression. Get real, and be glad it’s called toxic masculinity and not women inventing a whole new vocabulary and field of study just to hurt men the way men have hurt women😒
Lmao to everyone bitching in the comments- they’re literally written to be these types she’s talking about. They are supposed to be bad men. If you liked them, welp.
@@nightelfmohawk9821 ok well maybe don't comment about how this comes off as "man hatey" when you've literally never seen the show and don't know any of the context??
Glad you called out Albie. He's written to be a "nice guy" but he's very much performative and "fake woke." His complete misunderstanding of The Godfather and why people like it (it's a tragedy and cautionary tale against violence, not a success story and glorification of crime as he thinks) both indicates his own flaws as well as mirrors how the audience might misinterpret The White Lotus itself.
To be fair, pretty much every character on this show is flawed in some way that makes them toxic. Tbh Lucia is more toxic than any of the male characters.
@@rai2423 I should have specified that I meant she’s worse than all of the core male characters. You could make an argument for her being about as bad as Cameron but she’s def worse than Albie, Dominic, Bert, and Ethan. Greg, Quentin, Jack, and the gays were more like side characters.
Lolol would love a breakdown of toxic feminity. There’s plenty of examples of it on the show, especially season 2. I’m a liberal but the far left is getting really annoying. lol James Cameron said “testosterone is a toxic and dangerous”. A naturally occurring hormone in both men and women that’s essential for human survival is toxic? Lolol so funny he said that right before the release of Avatar 2… Hollywood really is getting out of control
@@Braham_the_Terror Telling men to sit down to pee, that we have to crush our balls because "manspreading" is bad, blaming war on men, telling us to get in touch with our feminine side, bragging that the future is female and that women rule the world. Should I go on? How about the fact that women rarely lift anything heavier than 10 pounds, even when they work in curbside pickup? I'm sick and tired of women getting away with everything. We The Men are treated like beasts of burden while women get special treatment.
@@Braham_the_Terror Same thing as toxic masculinity but for toxic women lol. This is the problem with silly labels for toxicity, the clip here is claiming all of these men had toxic "masculinity" when that's not necessarily the case. They've all got toxic traits, but Ethan and Albi being overly masculine is not their toxic traits lmao. This is why I don't bother with labels for toxicity like "masculine" or "feminine", there's just some toxic people out there
I'm confused cam "makes everyone uncomfortable and they just deal" yet she's actively attracted to him. And cheats on her husband .. for him Ethan's partner only wants to sleep with him the morning after she saw cam's relationship. And then she cheats on Ethan with Cam. I mean the fact that she always likes picking things apart and critiquing things, is kinda obnoxious. The white knight is more entitled than toxic. And I feel like the only reason men get frustrated is cause we are tired of being shit on for different things we're either toxic, weak or invisible, and we don't talk about feminity in the same way
I learned a lot in this season. My dad was a womanizer. And that scene with Alvin confronting his father about never showing him how to love a woman was powerful.
For real. A friend told me to watch it and I couldn’t help but feel depressed and empty after I finished it. Life, and the people in your life don’t have to be like this.
Nah there are a few more who didn’t suck. Mia was sweet the whole time, Belinda from season 1 was an angel and Isabella also didn’t do anything wrong. And Quinn from season 1 started out really weird but he kinda made up for it at the end
But Albie wasn't trying to fix anyone, he just got tricked because he thought Lucia was a damsel in distress. Yeah, still a patriarchal way of thinking, but he was more a victim of his beliefs than anyone else. He wasn't LOOKING for someone to fix.
I mean he did say his type are wounded birds but I'd say while having their flaws like everyone else, Ethan and Albie are both sweet, good natured and definitely still dateable. Their flaws are minor in the grand picture and nothing that can't be worked through. Cameron, Albie's dad and grandpa types are lost causes though that you should stay from unless you want to be miserable.
White Lotus is about showcasing flaws of privileged people, of both genders. This video is focusing on the male characters, but the female characters are just as problematic in different ways.
They aren't defending them. People just don't like the term "toxic masculinity" and neither do I... It's a stupid concept. People can be good or bad without it having anything to do with their masculinity. You could be a wimpy a-hole or very masculine and a great person. Masculinity doesn't cause someone to have bad behavior. It's just a term invented to bash masculinity and create weaker men.
@@stanmarsh912 well even if you don't like it, it's still real. Just because you're a man doesn't mean that term applies to you unless you've done some bad shit and you don't want to be known for it 🤣
@@stanmarsh912 lol calling out toxic masculinity creates weaker men? You people really are just like the guys in that show, people never learn anything
Looking at this comment section I think a big issue with ‘toxic masculinity’ as a term is the departure from the original definition. I could be wrong but I thought initially toxic masculinity was referring to the way men are socialised to suppress their emotions under patriarchy and act behaviourally aggressive more generally(an expectation exacerbated by both men and women) and that manifesting in ways that are harmful but now it seems it’s widened to any rlly bad behaviour that a man displays is labelled toxic. If I’m right it’d make sense that women aren’t labelled as having toxic femininity cos the active and persistent suppressing of emotion isn’t usually a pressure put on women. If anything it’s the opposite as women are usually expected to be emotional, sometimes overly so, and naturally be in touch with their feelings. I think the muddying of the definition is rlly unhelpful cos it alienates a lot of ppl especially men who feel attacked and so they just rail against the whole idea when dogmatic adherence to toxically masculine ideals harms men just as much as women. Ofc you’ll have those ppl who will rail against it no matter what cos feminism or downfall of society or whatever but for people who are just genuinely confused it doesn’t help but different terms go through this process all the time like the word ‘gaslighting’ for instance. Annoying but kind of inevitable.
I love this show, i just finished season 1. while these traits are toxic I wouldn't attribute them to masculinity. To me toxic masculinity is toxicity derived from some sort of internalized sexism. Like when men feel they need to act a certain way to behave manly or macho. Like with the aggressor. But just because a man is being toxic, it doesn't mean he's exhibiting " toxic masculinity". But that's really just semantics, I really do love how the show manages to weave the stories of a diverse amount of characters together with all their vices and negative attributes.
This is so stupid. Albie wasn’t the toxic one here. All these people saying Albie deserved it and making posts saying they’d rather be with Jack because they think he’s hotter and praising Lucia are the types of people to be the most toxic people in real relationships.
Albie was toxic tho. Albie being the walking representation of the "soft boi". He spouts feminist ideals and progressive words but he doesn't stand by them. He himself says he prefers "broken birds" in the women he dates
White Lotus’s nuance is why it’s my favorite show of the year. Albie’s toxicity definitely isn’t on the same level as most of the other male characters, but no one is perfect. He’s easy to sympathize with (in fact he was my favorite character) because you can see how hard he’s trying to be better than his predecessors, which is very admirable, but he’s clearly young and inexperienced with relationships, especially because he hasn’t seen any healthy male role models in his own family. He’s grown up watching the women in his life suffer, most specifically his mother, and subconsciously looks for someone like her he can prove himself to. He can’t fix his mother’s pain, but he hasn’t accepted that and is looking for a romantic experience to fill that void. He wants so much to be unlike his father and grandfather that he goes too far in the opposite direction, and ends up in a place where he needs the validation/approval of a woman, which taints his interactions with them and causes his kindness to fall flat. He’s at least somewhat aware of this but hasn’t yet addressed his inability to be attracted to an emotionally healthy woman. That’s what unlearning your trauma does for your love life, it changes who you feel drawn to. An emotionally healthy woman wouldn’t have even pinged on his radar because she wouldn’t have needed his rescuing and it wouldn’t have soothed that part of him that’s afraid he isn’t good enough. I love Albie’s character, because he represents the hope of their family line. I thought it was amazing seeing the generational progression of their issues, and how they all fall somewhere short, either by a little or a lot, because it’s just so human. You can see how far he’s come past the baggage he had to grow up with, and while still so young, you can be sure he’ll continue learning and growing into many times the man his forefathers could ever be. Everyone’s at least a little toxic in one way or another and that’s okay, all we can do is try to improve on the cards we’re dealt 😊
@@whyareyoureadingthis5227 And whats toxic about that , he wants to help those in most need of it because of his mothers emotional pain (generational pattern) , or should those broken birds not have anyone? His biggest sin is being naive of women's nature
@@arete7884 it's toxic because he knows what he's doing and admits he likes going for women with their defenses basically down to 0. You saying it's a generational pattern shows he does this because of his mommy issues, clearly not a good thing
@@ANabihawhen that scene happened I just blamed both of them but mainly the dad. No one forced his cheating desperate ass to transfer that money. And it also showed how much the son only cared about feeling helpful and fulfilled and not actually helping since he promises to help his dad find his way back into his moms life knowing he hasn’t done anything to change and will probably hurt her. Good show with intentionally frustrating characters 😭
Albie and Ethan really frustrated me! Jack was the complete gay for pay type of dude and his accent made him hard to understand without subtitles. I want justice for Tanya.
@@Peter-ov6xh ?? also can i ask how the video creator is complaining about the thing they are watching? they are more appreciating it for it's social commentary ?
@@equisde8026 no it doesnt ? it shows how 'woke' men can fall into the traps of their fathers as they usually fake being 'woke'. it never says that people on the left are all bad, just says that some fake it
Lol NO! He was a total idiot who only sees women as broken weak people he needs to fix or save. That’s why he got played in the end. Why would anyone give 50k to some random hooker they don’t know? And why would anyone blackmail their dad to give that type of money away to a total stranger?
I’m sorry, but Harper didn’t deserve sexual attraction from her husband. She was a DISGUSTING PERSON. The way she had no sympathy for Cameron’s wife who opened up about her struggles told me everything I needed to know. Harper was an even bigger villain than Cameron in my opinion
An even bigger villain than Cameron…come on now. Harper was crude and unsympathetic but she was never as horrible as the narcissistic aggressor that is Cameron. Her poor behavior in interactions and relationships with women “friends” is clearly her character but that has nothing to do with her relationship with her husband. Ethan wasn’t giving her attention because of the way she was treating Daphne and suggesting that’s reason enough for the lack of attraction issues in their own separate relationship is irrelevant.
What is your problem? How do you correlate Harper’s choice to not feel sympathy for Daphne (when they just met) and not being deserving from sexual attraction from her husband. If anything you are way more disgusting than Harper or Daphne combined by writing this.
The show satirises everyone! That’s the whole point everyone is being made fun of. If you think the show was on your “side” chances are the writer was also making fun of you…
I feel like just being a guy makes you toxic any action you take will be not picked and criticized or demonized be yourself be humble to take critism but don’t let other control or define you
It’s just toxic, not “toxic masculinity”. That’s a terrible term to use, especially when you’re talking about a show that breaks down stereotypes and shows all of its characters as flawed.
This isn't toxic masculinity these are just toxic traits that happen to be portrayed by male characters. I've met females who possess all of the traits that you just ascribed to masculinity.
Albie learns NOT to be a white knight anymore to the tune of a $50K loss because he thought a hooker was a "victim". Plus why did almost all the men fail to worry about catching something from these two escorts. He blackmailed his father for the money. The grandfather was a treasure because of his flirting. In the finale all three properly turn their heads when an attractive woman walks by at the airport. Albie also learns not to be a gentleman when he loses out on sleeping with Porsha because he makes no move on the first date (and another guy does). The most toxic men in the series were the ones who tried to kill Tanya. Yes, the non straight ones were the ones Tanya rightfully shoots
Have you watched the show, she’s talking about these particular characters. And the women portray their own set of toxicity on the show. White Lotus tv show is literally a satire where toxic behaviors are shown through these fictional characters 🤦♀️
Certainly feels like it, you gotta be extra careful if you're a straight man these days, what you say, what you do hell even looking at someone could get you into trouble.
I don't think covering both topics in one video is smart. This one is about toxic masculinity. I'm sure they, or you, can make one about toxic femininity. Don't get butt hurt just because they are trying to explain something about a show. They are not talking about you. If you relate to it, that's your problem
I disagree about Ethan being an example of "toxic masculinity", he was the most mature and normal person in the show. Only thing that I do get was that he didn't show much physical interest in his partner which is quite important in a relationship but I don't think that makes him toxic? I do agree about Cameron and Albie though.
The toxic men in this show are those who were trying to kill Tanya (and I'll bet Portia was supposed to be killed as well, but Jack got a conscious).. The grandfather was liked by the female characters, especially Portia who shared a water bottle with him (during Covid even). His flirting was not seen as rude or toxic by anyone other than his overly feminist son and grandson. The most anti human toxic comment I've heard in a film was Albie saying that people should be neutered after a certain age so they won't bother younger people with their sexuality. The son was toxic for possibly exposing his wife to the diseases a prostitute might have. The grandson, mostly for the same reason, should not have been OK with learning he just slept with a prostitute, especially after losing Portia because he was too much of a gentleman by saying good night too early on the first date.
The whole comment section is toxic. Oprah needs to hand the toxic card out like prizes on her show. I don’t like the vid, toxic. You don’t understand the vid or disagree, toxic. Agree with show, toxic. Toxic, toxic, toxic. If you don’t have the ability or lack the desire to have a civilized conversation with someone and listen discuss offer counterpoints and at the end can’t come to human decency understanding then maybe your…
They do date themselves and the quietest secret is that these type of "couples" have the HIGHEST DV charges because theyre so toxic. But hey let's say its "toxic masculinity" as its masculinity that's the problem not toxicity oh and its a crime to be man in terms women don't define.
Basically , being a man is toxic . I cannot agree that being detached or being the white knight who ended being duped isn't desirable, but surely not toxic .
The thing about the open book is, that while you make think must of them believe that because they’re open and brutally honest that it shouldn’t matter what they say. That’s not true. Some are like that. The majority of us DONT GIVE FLYING FUK if you think what we say is ok or not. It’s the truth. The truth doesn’t care about your feelings. It is their to enlighten and make you self reflect, however it’s said. For example: if someone cheated on someone and told me, I’d called them a lazy egotistical coward who doesn’t have the balls to break up with somebody because they’re afraid to be alone, which would be factual… cause that’s why everybody cheats. It doesn’t sound pretty but against the truth ain’t meant to be pretty.
I don't think ethan was a toxic male tho. Yes, he was cold and aloof but he didn't really mean any harm. Ppl need to stop using words in the wrong context. It causes these words to lose meaning.
@@lauramesquita9840 however I didn't really see how any of those guys were toxic except maybe the one that flirts with girls while he is in a relationship
Trying to say that Ethan or the liberal simp di grasso kid display toxic masculinity is a joke right? Ethan was the only good guy in the whole show. His wife was gross and toxic if anything, and he should have just divorced her period
Albie did nothing wrong. He’s far from a ‘nice guy’ The modern ‘nice guy’ is an asshole who pretends to be submissive to get what he wants and manipulate people. Albie just didn’t want to be like his unfaithful father. His behavior was never shown to be disingenuous and he even freed Lucia from forced sex work. Nice guys also seem to have an arrogance to them “if a woman doesn’t like me then she’s a broken whore”. Albie isn’t like that, he even talks about his short comings with Portia on their dinner date. While I believed his character is a bit of a play on the nice guy trope (like when he lectures his dad on why his favorite movies are sexist), I think he really is just a flawed but genuinely nice guy. I think it’s unfair to lump kind men like Albie in with incles and call it a day.
Yup, things guys do “✨toxic masculinity✨” And y’all see why most of us don’t give a fuck about what y’all have to say. And before some psychoanalysis pseudo smart person says “WELL ACTUALLY ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE SHOW ARE SHOWN TO BE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF HUMAN NATURE AND RELATIONSHIPS” I counter and say “touch grass and observe human interaction”. This show was a masterful expose on social interaction, people forget no one is really good, nice, or righteous. Everyone has there own morals, self interest, and worlds that they pay attention to and pay attention to only. Nothing in this show was toxic, it was just HUMAN
I wouldn't call it toxic masculinity thou. But stereotypical male personality flaws. Toxic masculinity is more when you create an male dominating environment. I might be wrong... but that's what I thought it was.
No one is saying masculinity is wrong. There’s just toxic ways that it shows up, several of those were highlighted in the show cause they intentionally write stories about toxic characters
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Meanwhile tanya: please these gays they're trying to murder me
We stan Tanya
@@Dan1elAndrade yup 😂🤣🤣🤣
Poor Tanya😟
@@A-wc1yf yeah... I agree on that
Tanya is a real woman because she appreciates the real straight man
Reading these comments realizing most of them haven’t actually watched White Lotus and don’t get that the whole point of the show is to showcase the bad behavior of humans, especially ones in the upper echelons of wealth.
@MasteroMatter it can be highlighting the unhealthy masculinity without exclusively highlighting it. Pretty sure all the people regardless we’re up to some Bs, this short just doesn’t cover that too.
Nah. I watched both seasons. Everyone has their own interpretation of what the point of the show is. It really about how rich white adults and kids behaves around privileges, money, status, relationships etc. It isn’t about bad or good.
@@masteromatter8782 yeh agree, this clip is terrible, a very one sided take. I bet they Lucia symphasizers say things like wow what a Queen haha what a joke.
And what about the women in the show?? Are they just completely innocent
Men are stupid creatures what I have learned is that these type of messages are not meant to teach men anything it’s meant for women to pick a better men. When a woman picks a better man all other men will change their behavior to up their chances at getting women
You forgot the Apologizer (Dom’s character). Notoriously messes up and dumps on women but ultimately thinks they can be bought with enough money, fancy things, or tears. Weaponizes woman's need to see emotion and remorse by crying and saying sorry but refuses to ever actually change.
He was there in the intial episodes. Then he made actual progress. He was one of those characters that I cared about.
@@smita568 Me too.
@@smita568 I don’t think he made progress at all I think he was just caught up in the moment and recognize his mistakes through his son but that didn’t mean that he was going to change at all
thats Albie's father right?
@@smita568 Not necessarily made progress, but he was offered a chance at redemption in terms of his marriage/family
This show did depict flaws in both the genders when they are rich, in case this video confused you.
And not just the rich... it shows everyone does what interests them like the girls, the recepcionist, the piano girl and her friend, also the "nephew".
Season 1 : "white man bad" because of "colonism"
Season 2 "white man bad" in general
Season 3(probably) white man bad because they don't like ladyboys.
More woke garbage from HBO
And the assistant
I loved the scene at the end when all three of the men in that family turned to oggle that woman walking past. Albie believes he is better than his outwardly misogynistic father and grandfather but at his core he views women the same way.
Women and men are wired differently. Feminists don't understand that, they even want us to sit down to pee, I kid you not. They attack manspreading not realizing we have testicles and crushing them together is very painful.
Feminists even say that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. What man says that about women? Instead they say "you can't live with them, you can't live without them."
Just biological male nature
You mean... he's attracted to women...?
By that if you mean that he’s straight, I guess so. I don’t think Albie will be the philanderer that his father and grandfather are. The one thing I could not stand about him is he takes a very woke stance on women, but yet offered up his own mother as a bargaining chip to get money from his dad to pay a prostitute. Go figure.
Wow, imagine men attracted to women. What a scandal.
They all have harming and bad behavior, even the ones who appear to be more modern and woke are more complex than they seem
Woke is harming.
A lot of “woke” people just like to pretend they are to feel morally superior. They have the same biases and harmful thinking/behaviour as anyone else.
@@rebelraccoon9018not even gonna elaborate huh?
If Albi represents toxic masculinity there is no hope for anyone. Dude was a complete “simp” with almost no traditional masculinity. Even Portia says it he isn’t dangerous enough she wants to be excited. The white knight complex doesn’t come from a place of masculinity in his case it comes from how insecure he is with women and he thinks that if he is just nicer to them they will love him.
Yes and everyone praising Lucia is so cringe
@@Gabby-hw7my right. Sometimes the women can have the power of sex. Especially with a kid like Albi. He was a mark and she took him to the bank. But I think she did feel bad just not bad enough to not rip him off.
@@YOGO_MUSHI yeah, he was naive and she took advantage of that. The people who think he deserved it annoy me more than her even. Gen z is lost
Lmao he literally made out with lucia after porsha rejected him
@MasteroMatter I agree, it’s a traditional masculine trait and I don’t see why that’s a bad thing. It’s personally attractive to me when a man is protective of a woman he likes. If they prefer non traditional gender roles that’s totally okay and I support that. But I like a few traditional traits, and I think that isn’t toxic at all like the people here are saying.
I really think that for Ethan is just more than that, more than toxic masculinity ( even if is still toxic ) i think that is a simplification of what everything is about, i think all the dynamics with the 4 charaters is a lot about cheating / fellings / monotonia / habits or even monogamy.
especially after Daphne story with her coach and the call with their sons, and one who look exactlly like her coach
Nice you described pretty much all humanity. We all have our « toxic » traits to some extent and are not only that but much more. Regardless of gender people have so much more to show than one trait shown on a TH-cam short 🥲
He wasn't toxic. His good friend was
I've come to notice that every time there's a guy, fictional or not and he's an a hole, people ALWAYS bring it down to his 'toxic masculinity' . But when a woman has a horrible, bitter attitude, people don't blame her femininity and I find that VERY interesting.
Because people are tards. If the world's top scientists, psychologists, and sociologists were granted billions of dollars to study this, they would come to the same exact conclusion... people are tarded. Plain and simple.
every heard of patriarchy and how that affects women but also men? jesus go learn about it instead of going bUt wOmEN, women haven’t profited for thousand of heads from placing themselves in positions of powers and keeping men down have they?? there’s nothing VERY interesting about your argument you’re just being ignorant
I believe it's because of the two different ways masculinity and feminity are constructed. Yes they're both social concepts that each come with certains expectations regarding behaviors, ways of dressing, ways of being, etc. but Masculinity is also a social status : hard to obtain and even harder to maintain. It's all very messed up and so very easy for a man to fall too far on the end of the spectrum. That being said toxic feminity also exist, but the social contexts of both masculinity and feminity are so different it's hard to properly compare the two.
Have you seen movies with blond women in them?
When women are shitty she’s morally implicated in feminine ways too. She’s called a slut, a whore, a bitch, a cunt, a seductress, a witch. Ever notice how many curse words are designed specifically to disparage women? There’s entire bodies of literature dedicated to bashing women for their femininity. How can you be this out of touch? Not seeing world through the eyes of anyone but yourself and your victim complex is a dangerous thing. Misogyny is everywhere and you’re priority is “boo-hoo men being bullied” while women have to deal with actual oppression. Get real, and be glad it’s called toxic masculinity and not women inventing a whole new vocabulary and field of study just to hurt men the way men have hurt women😒
Lmao to everyone bitching in the comments- they’re literally written to be these types she’s talking about. They are supposed to be bad men. If you liked them, welp.
I've never seen the movie so this TH-cam short just comes off as Man hatey
@@nightelfmohawk9821 ok well maybe don't comment about how this comes off as "man hatey" when you've literally never seen the show and don't know any of the context??
@@emilia.ailime you right probably
Fr all the women in this show have their flaws too no one is safe
That part
The incels in these comments refusing to understand why they have a hard time getting or keeping a girlfriend 💀
Ok white knight
Do enlighten us chad
How do u get one? What techniques do u use?
@@robinsoncruise2228 its called biggus dickus and atmdad techniques.
Bro you’re literally Albie
Don't forget about the toxic femininity in this series
Watch the show
@@Muffins365season 1 most definitely
The creator of the video seems to have forgotten about it
Glad you called out Albie. He's written to be a "nice guy" but he's very much performative and "fake woke." His complete misunderstanding of The Godfather and why people like it (it's a tragedy and cautionary tale against violence, not a success story and glorification of crime as he thinks) both indicates his own flaws as well as mirrors how the audience might misinterpret The White Lotus itself.
To be fair, pretty much every character on this show is flawed in some way that makes them toxic. Tbh Lucia is more toxic than any of the male characters.
But she’s not. She’s not a good person but she’s not worse than the cheaters and murders.
@@rai2423 I should have specified that I meant she’s worse than all of the core male characters. You could make an argument for her being about as bad as Cameron but she’s def worse than Albie, Dominic, Bert, and Ethan. Greg, Quentin, Jack, and the gays were more like side characters.
my money says YOU are single.
@@MOAB-UTso you have to ignore women's toxicity to be in relationship 😂.Like seriously where are we going?
She is a huge golddigger and I don’t get people who defend her lol. She has the morals of an alleycat 😂
Lolol would love a breakdown of toxic feminity. There’s plenty of examples of it on the show, especially season 2. I’m a liberal but the far left is getting really annoying. lol James Cameron said “testosterone is a toxic and dangerous”. A naturally occurring hormone in both men and women that’s essential for human survival is toxic? Lolol so funny he said that right before the release of Avatar 2… Hollywood really is getting out of control
Make a video of it then. This one is about toxic masculinity
@@elizabethramirez2517 there is a plenty of toxic feminity videos in yt they are called "modern feminism" 🤷
Define toxic femininity, I'm genuinely curious.
@@Braham_the_Terror Telling men to sit down to pee, that we have to crush our balls because "manspreading" is bad, blaming war on men, telling us to get in touch with our feminine side, bragging that the future is female and that women rule the world. Should I go on?
How about the fact that women rarely lift anything heavier than 10 pounds, even when they work in curbside pickup?
I'm sick and tired of women getting away with everything. We The Men are treated like beasts of burden while women get special treatment.
@@Braham_the_Terror Same thing as toxic masculinity but for toxic women lol. This is the problem with silly labels for toxicity, the clip here is claiming all of these men had toxic "masculinity" when that's not necessarily the case. They've all got toxic traits, but Ethan and Albi being overly masculine is not their toxic traits lmao. This is why I don't bother with labels for toxicity like "masculine" or "feminine", there's just some toxic people out there
I'm confused cam "makes everyone uncomfortable and they just deal" yet she's actively attracted to him. And cheats on her husband .. for him
Ethan's partner only wants to sleep with him the morning after she saw cam's relationship. And then she cheats on Ethan with Cam. I mean the fact that she always likes picking things apart and critiquing things, is kinda obnoxious.
The white knight is more entitled than toxic.
And I feel like the only reason men get frustrated is cause we are tired of being shit on for different things we're either toxic, weak or invisible, and we don't talk about feminity in the same way
I learned a lot in this season. My dad was a womanizer. And that scene with Alvin confronting his father about never showing him how to love a woman was powerful.
that means your dad was based
Treat women poorly- A hole
Treat women well- womanizer
Nice guy- simp
Bad boy- a hole
Can't win if your a dude.
Everybody in white lotus sucks, except maybe rachel from season 1. Was the most grounded person yet.
For real. A friend told me to watch it and I couldn’t help but feel depressed and empty after I finished it. Life, and the people in your life don’t have to be like this.
Nah there are a few more who didn’t suck. Mia was sweet the whole time, Belinda from season 1 was an angel and Isabella also didn’t do anything wrong. And Quinn from season 1 started out really weird but he kinda made up for it at the end
Quinn wasnt bad either. He was just a confused teen trying to ecape from his shit family.
But Albie wasn't trying to fix anyone, he just got tricked because he thought Lucia was a damsel in distress. Yeah, still a patriarchal way of thinking, but he was more a victim of his beliefs than anyone else. He wasn't LOOKING for someone to fix.
That’s what toxic masculinity does to men though, it makes them suffer at the hands of how they’re socialized to live in the world. It hurts them too
@@lara2937 Of course, I just don't think he was giving those "red flags" the video talks about.
he literally said his type was wounded birds lol
@@ANabiha Oh shit, that true. I forgot about that part.
I mean he did say his type are wounded birds but I'd say while having their flaws like everyone else, Ethan and Albie are both sweet, good natured and definitely still dateable. Their flaws are minor in the grand picture and nothing that can't be worked through. Cameron, Albie's dad and grandpa types are lost causes though that you should stay from unless you want to be miserable.
White Lotus is about showcasing flaws of privileged people, of both genders. This video is focusing on the male characters, but the female characters are just as problematic in different ways.
Literally every character has a glaring flaw.
Looking at these comments.. yikes. The same people who defend the toxic characters on white Lotus are just like them.
They aren't defending them. People just don't like the term "toxic masculinity" and neither do I... It's a stupid concept. People can be good or bad without it having anything to do with their masculinity. You could be a wimpy a-hole or very masculine and a great person. Masculinity doesn't cause someone to have bad behavior. It's just a term invented to bash masculinity and create weaker men.
@@stanmarsh912 you’re another embodiment of toxic masculinity😂😂😂
@@CaptainChapin 🤡
@@stanmarsh912 well even if you don't like it, it's still real. Just because you're a man doesn't mean that term applies to you unless you've done some bad shit and you don't want to be known for it 🤣
@@stanmarsh912 lol calling out toxic masculinity creates weaker men? You people really are just like the guys in that show, people never learn anything
Looking at this comment section I think a big issue with ‘toxic masculinity’ as a term is the departure from the original definition. I could be wrong but I thought initially toxic masculinity was referring to the way men are socialised to suppress their emotions under patriarchy and act behaviourally aggressive more generally(an expectation exacerbated by both men and women) and that manifesting in ways that are harmful but now it seems it’s widened to any rlly bad behaviour that a man displays is labelled toxic. If I’m right it’d make sense that women aren’t labelled as having toxic femininity cos the active and persistent suppressing of emotion isn’t usually a pressure put on women. If anything it’s the opposite as women are usually expected to be emotional, sometimes overly so, and naturally be in touch with their feelings. I think the muddying of the definition is rlly unhelpful cos it alienates a lot of ppl especially men who feel attacked and so they just rail against the whole idea when dogmatic adherence to toxically masculine ideals harms men just as much as women. Ofc you’ll have those ppl who will rail against it no matter what cos feminism or downfall of society or whatever but for people who are just genuinely confused it doesn’t help but different terms go through this process all the time like the word ‘gaslighting’ for instance. Annoying but kind of inevitable.
I love this show, i just finished season 1. while these traits are toxic I wouldn't attribute them to masculinity. To me toxic masculinity is toxicity derived from some sort of internalized sexism. Like when men feel they need to act a certain way to behave manly or macho. Like with the aggressor. But just because a man is being toxic, it doesn't mean he's exhibiting " toxic masculinity". But that's really just semantics, I really do love how the show manages to weave the stories of a diverse amount of characters together with all their vices and negative attributes.
This is so stupid. Albie wasn’t the toxic one here. All these people saying Albie deserved it and making posts saying they’d rather be with Jack because they think he’s hotter and praising Lucia are the types of people to be the most toxic people in real relationships.
Hot take: Albie, Jack, and Lucia ALL sucked, just Albie sucked a little less
Albie was toxic tho. Albie being the walking representation of the "soft boi". He spouts feminist ideals and progressive words but he doesn't stand by them. He himself says he prefers "broken birds" in the women he dates
White Lotus’s nuance is why it’s my favorite show of the year. Albie’s toxicity definitely isn’t on the same level as most of the other male characters, but no one is perfect. He’s easy to sympathize with (in fact he was my favorite character) because you can see how hard he’s trying to be better than his predecessors, which is very admirable, but he’s clearly young and inexperienced with relationships, especially because he hasn’t seen any healthy male role models in his own family. He’s grown up watching the women in his life suffer, most specifically his mother, and subconsciously looks for someone like her he can prove himself to. He can’t fix his mother’s pain, but he hasn’t accepted that and is looking for a romantic experience to fill that void. He wants so much to be unlike his father and grandfather that he goes too far in the opposite direction, and ends up in a place where he needs the validation/approval of a woman, which taints his interactions with them and causes his kindness to fall flat. He’s at least somewhat aware of this but hasn’t yet addressed his inability to be attracted to an emotionally healthy woman. That’s what unlearning your trauma does for your love life, it changes who you feel drawn to. An emotionally healthy woman wouldn’t have even pinged on his radar because she wouldn’t have needed his rescuing and it wouldn’t have soothed that part of him that’s afraid he isn’t good enough.
I love Albie’s character, because he represents the hope of their family line. I thought it was amazing seeing the generational progression of their issues, and how they all fall somewhere short, either by a little or a lot, because it’s just so human. You can see how far he’s come past the baggage he had to grow up with, and while still so young, you can be sure he’ll continue learning and growing into many times the man his forefathers could ever be.
Everyone’s at least a little toxic in one way or another and that’s okay, all we can do is try to improve on the cards we’re dealt 😊
@@whyareyoureadingthis5227 And whats toxic about that , he wants to help those in most need of it because of his mothers emotional pain (generational pattern) , or should those broken birds not have anyone? His biggest sin is being naive of women's nature
@@arete7884 it's toxic because he knows what he's doing and admits he likes going for women with their defenses basically down to 0. You saying it's a generational pattern shows he does this because of his mommy issues, clearly not a good thing
So basically you will label with different flavours of human behaviour with Toxic masculinity?! Women😂
A fictional Hollywood series proves nothing.
Let’s be honest all the characters in the show are toxic. It’s why is so F-ing good!!!
The day you stop asking other men to help with your man is the day you become a strong woman.
This really sums it up brilliantly. Genius.
Albie was adorable, everyone thought he'd be an incel but in the end he was nice
Since the start he was nice and so cute!
there is nothing nice about manipulating your father for 50000 dollars for some girl you met 2 days ago
his dad was messed up but how is that okay
Dominic was a douche and he's rich, I'd drain out his money too if I was Albie 🤷♂️
@@ANabihawhen that scene happened I just blamed both of them but mainly the dad. No one forced his cheating desperate ass to transfer that money. And it also showed how much the son only cared about feeling helpful and fulfilled and not actually helping since he promises to help his dad find his way back into his moms life knowing he hasn’t done anything to change and will probably hurt her. Good show with intentionally frustrating characters 😭
He was mostly annoying, he was cute sometimes, that's it.
Albie and Ethan really frustrated me! Jack was the complete gay for pay type of dude and his accent made him hard to understand without subtitles. I want justice for Tanya.
Start calling the truth out and watch all the people who do the same bad shit get offended 🤭
I think your reading the open book wrong. Atleast here, he's just too old to play games so lays it all out upfront.
It must be so boring when one only watches things for the sole purpose of complaining about them.
a large purpose of this season was to tackle the patriachy and toxic masculinity, have u even watched it
@@isabella7131 If you think Mike White thinks in such un-nuanced terms, then I have to ask, "have u even watched it"
@@Peter-ov6xh ?? also can i ask how the video creator is complaining about the thing they are watching? they are more appreciating it for it's social commentary ?
@@isabella7131please…the show specifically shows woke Albie as the biggest loser…
@@equisde8026 no it doesnt ? it shows how 'woke' men can fall into the traps of their fathers as they usually fake being 'woke'. it never says that people on the left are all bad, just says that some fake it
I understand Ethan, if I was married to someone a women that pessimistic and soul crushing I’d be the same. “Toxic-femininity”.
Fuck did Ethan do?
He was the only normal one. Oh sorry, he was a man. That was his first mistake.
@@wss33 louder
Lmao watch it again
be a man lol
All characters had flaws oh that show but for comparison Ethan and Albie were normally flawed given the situation they were in.
I love the grandfather , he was so cute and unashamedly flirty. Still has life in him after 80 years
bruh… albie is just empathetic and sweet chill out
Lol NO! He was a total idiot who only sees women as broken weak people he needs to fix or save. That’s why he got played in the end. Why would anyone give 50k to some random hooker they don’t know? And why would anyone blackmail their dad to give that type of money away to a total stranger?
he did just sell his mother to his dad jus to get a bunch of money though.
He did it before he asked
@@nicolaslabra2225Did we watch the same show?
I’m sorry, but Harper didn’t deserve sexual attraction from her husband. She was a DISGUSTING PERSON. The way she had no sympathy for Cameron’s wife who opened up about her struggles told me everything I needed to know. Harper was an even bigger villain than Cameron in my opinion
An even bigger villain than Cameron…come on now. Harper was crude and unsympathetic but she was never as horrible as the narcissistic aggressor that is Cameron. Her poor behavior in interactions and relationships with women “friends” is clearly her character but that has nothing to do with her relationship with her husband. Ethan wasn’t giving her attention because of the way she was treating Daphne and suggesting that’s reason enough for the lack of attraction issues in their own separate relationship is irrelevant.
Harper is not a villain and she’s not Cameron. Why should she feel Sorry for Daphne? She’s also cheating on her husband has a kid by another man.
What is your problem? How do you correlate Harper’s choice to not feel sympathy for Daphne (when they just met) and not being deserving from sexual attraction from her husband. If anything you are way more disgusting than Harper or Daphne combined by writing this.
This show literally satirises people who use the term "toxic masculinity" 😂 *whoosh*
Yeah because they used the term in the show it's impossible that they meant to criticize such men duh
exactly lol
The show satirises everyone! That’s the whole point everyone is being made fun of. If you think the show was on your “side” chances are the writer was also making fun of you…
@@rai2423 agreed
I feel like just being a guy makes you toxic any action you take will be not picked and criticized or demonized be yourself be humble to take critism but don’t let other control or define you
Now do one on the toxic femininity
Albia shouldn’t have given that girl his number. Simp just looking for another woman to fix😂👎
Thanks for this informative short. I had never seen the white knight as toxic before. Good to know.
Yeah, cause the women are real saints... Harper had a major superiority complex.
She was insufferable
Men: *exists
Women: "Mmm, toxic!"
It’s just toxic, not “toxic masculinity”. That’s a terrible term to use, especially when you’re talking about a show that breaks down stereotypes and shows all of its characters as flawed.
This isn't toxic masculinity these are just toxic traits that happen to be portrayed by male characters. I've met females who possess all of the traits that you just ascribed to masculinity.
It’s a TV show. TV shows don’t “prove” something just because it’s a feature of the show.
Albie learns NOT to be a white knight anymore to the tune of a $50K loss because he thought a hooker was a "victim". Plus why did almost all the men fail to worry about catching something from these two escorts. He blackmailed his father for the money. The grandfather was a treasure because of his flirting. In the finale all three properly turn their heads when an attractive woman walks by at the airport. Albie also learns not to be a gentleman when he loses out on sleeping with Porsha because he makes no move on the first date (and another guy does). The most toxic men in the series were the ones who tried to kill Tanya. Yes, the non straight ones were the ones Tanya rightfully shoots
Toxic masculinity isnt real
Toxic masculinity? As if women don’t portray these same exact traits plus have the legal system on their side 🤦♂️
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Does she ever say that toxic women dont exist?
@@lauramesquita9840 then just say toxic people instead of insinuating this is somehow a representation of masculinity.
Have you watched the show, she’s talking about these particular characters. And the women portray their own set of toxicity on the show. White Lotus tv show is literally a satire where toxic behaviors are shown through these fictional characters 🤦♀️
Umm…being detached and emotionally unavailable is toxic masculinity? Being a simp is toxic masculinity? Toxic masculinity is meaningless.
Apart from « the detached » I agree! He’s detached from an emotionless partner
You forgot about Jack, the bisexual geezer who is deranged 😂.
Such an underrated show
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity
Just toxic people
So basically don't talk to women got it
if this video offended you you're probably one of them so yeah don't bother
Certainly feels like it, you gotta be extra careful if you're a straight man these days, what you say, what you do hell even looking at someone could get you into trouble.
You forgot the toxic femininity. Convenient.
I don't think covering both topics in one video is smart. This one is about toxic masculinity. I'm sure they, or you, can make one about toxic femininity. Don't get butt hurt just because they are trying to explain something about a show. They are not talking about you. If you relate to it, that's your problem
Where's the video about toxic femininity ?
I disagree about Ethan being an example of "toxic masculinity", he was the most mature and normal person in the show. Only thing that I do get was that he didn't show much physical interest in his partner which is quite important in a relationship but I don't think that makes him toxic? I do agree about Cameron and Albie though.
The toxic men in this show are those who were trying to kill Tanya (and I'll bet Portia was supposed to be killed as well, but Jack got a conscious).. The grandfather was liked by the female characters, especially Portia who shared a water bottle with him (during Covid even). His flirting was not seen as rude or toxic by anyone other than his overly feminist son and grandson.
The most anti human toxic comment I've heard in a film was Albie saying that people should be neutered after a certain age so they won't bother younger people with their sexuality.
The son was toxic for possibly exposing his wife to the diseases a prostitute might have. The grandson, mostly for the same reason, should not have been OK with learning he just slept with a prostitute, especially after losing Portia because he was too much of a gentleman by saying good night too early on the first date.
Damn. Im the detached one. I dont want to be though
So judgmental of men haan!
Men : exists
Western Woman : wow such toxic masculinity
You’ve totally misjudged “The White Knight”…
Yeah, you got Ethan completely wrong.
Nah, it was you
Lmao yes thats the point of the whole show but the fact that u didnt include any of the womens problems shows a bit of your biased opinion🤦♂️
Well, are there men who don’t fall in any of these categories?
The whole comment section is toxic. Oprah needs to hand the toxic card out like prizes on her show. I don’t like the vid, toxic. You don’t understand the vid or disagree, toxic. Agree with show, toxic. Toxic, toxic, toxic. If you don’t have the ability or lack the desire to have a civilized conversation with someone and listen discuss offer counterpoints and at the end can’t come to human decency understanding then maybe your…
So, we are going to base on a movie that something exist?
Alright, Spiderman too exist, because he is from a movie.
Yes, all of the female characters were perfect and never displayed any toxic behavior because...toxic masculinity.
White knight is definitely the type of men I’m drawn to 😭😩
same
What how , where is these types of women when you need them , are you sure you aren't drawn to rich white knights ?!
For real. After watching season 2, my mom said Albie is the kind of guy I tend to fall for. 😢 that’s my toxic trait
@@alyssapinon9670 being decent person is toxic nowdays i guess
Women should start dating each other more since men can’t do anything right👀
poor man got his ego hurt
@@sanchitthakur1545 awwweeee did I?
They do date themselves and the quietest secret is that these type of "couples" have the HIGHEST DV charges because theyre so toxic. But hey let's say its "toxic masculinity" as its masculinity that's the problem not toxicity oh and its a crime to be man in terms women don't define.
Might as well seeing how there’s more women than men we can cancel y’all out right now
@@CaptainChapin I know “QUEEN”. Fight the good fight. U strong and independent
"Omg that guy wants me to be my best self, red flag!"
Have you even watched the show?! That guy is a redeemable red flag.
You didn’t watch the show… he literally says he likes wounded girls
@@UdoADHD i knew there was something off about him from the start
@julian marx I thought he said he literally PREFERS them. Maybe we need the direct quote
Most of the women in the show are incredibly toxic but sure let's only focus on toxic masculinity
Yes but they don’t follow a pattern like these men do. Pointing out bad people is not the point of this video. You clearly have no understanding of it
Basically , being a man is toxic . I cannot agree that being detached or being the white knight who ended being duped isn't desirable, but surely not toxic .
The thing about the open book is, that while you make think must of them believe that because they’re open and brutally honest that it shouldn’t matter what they say.
That’s not true. Some are like that. The majority of us DONT GIVE FLYING FUK if you think what we say is ok or not. It’s the truth. The truth doesn’t care about your feelings. It is their to enlighten and make you self reflect, however it’s said.
For example: if someone cheated on someone and told me, I’d called them a lazy egotistical coward who doesn’t have the balls to break up with somebody because they’re afraid to be alone, which would be factual… cause that’s why everybody cheats. It doesn’t sound pretty but against the truth ain’t meant to be pretty.
Narcissism comes in many forms...
What about Greg?
Ethan didn’t regain his sexual attraction to Harper because he saw her with another man. Did you even watch the show?
I don't think ethan was a toxic male tho. Yes, he was cold and aloof but he didn't really mean any harm. Ppl need to stop using words in the wrong context. It causes these words to lose meaning.
Girls after rejecting every guy they lable as one of these "why can't I find a man?
Fr
Toxic femininity
Oh please… Better alone than badly accompanied
@@lauramesquita9840 actually true
@@lauramesquita9840 however I didn't really see how any of those guys were toxic except maybe the one that flirts with girls while he is in a relationship
And don’t forget about toxic feminism.
Let’s talk about toxic femininity too
So what the fuck is not toxic???
Probably women
Trying to say that Ethan or the liberal simp di grasso kid display toxic masculinity is a joke right? Ethan was the only good guy in the whole show. His wife was gross and toxic if anything, and he should have just divorced her period
Yeah and all the women are perfect angels lol...this is cringe
How is this cringe… she totally analyzed these characters correctly
@@lukeleicht1170 Her analysis was that of a teenage psych student! Utter bullshit.
You didn’t even watch the show did you?😂😂
@@igbokwenu4934 lol that’s exactly what they are like in the show😂 imagine being this pressed🤡🤓💁
if you actually watch the series they highlighted the bad traits and flaws of toxic women too.
You REALLY get it.
Searing original thought.
Look out world!
Albie did nothing wrong. He’s far from a ‘nice guy’ The modern ‘nice guy’ is an asshole who pretends to be submissive to get what he wants and manipulate people. Albie just didn’t want to be like his unfaithful father. His behavior was never shown to be disingenuous and he even freed Lucia from forced sex work. Nice guys also seem to have an arrogance to them “if a woman doesn’t like me then she’s a broken whore”. Albie isn’t like that, he even talks about his short comings with Portia on their dinner date. While I believed his character is a bit of a play on the nice guy trope (like when he lectures his dad on why his favorite movies are sexist), I think he really is just a flawed but genuinely nice guy. I think it’s unfair to lump kind men like Albie in with incles and call it a day.
Do toxic femininity next
toxic and harmful.
Why every thing has to be toxic...i am a man ..i loved all my girlfriends...seriously i cant relate to this toxic masculinity thing..wtf
Yup, things guys do “✨toxic masculinity✨”
And y’all see why most of us don’t give a fuck about what y’all have to say.
And before some psychoanalysis pseudo smart person says “WELL ACTUALLY ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE SHOW ARE SHOWN TO BE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF HUMAN NATURE AND RELATIONSHIPS”
I counter and say “touch grass and observe human interaction”. This show was a masterful expose on social interaction, people forget no one is really good, nice, or righteous. Everyone has there own morals, self interest, and worlds that they pay attention to and pay attention to only. Nothing in this show was toxic, it was just HUMAN
I wouldn't call it toxic masculinity thou. But stereotypical male personality flaws. Toxic masculinity is more when you create an male dominating environment. I might be wrong... but that's what I thought it was.
“Proves.”
Well? Hilarious.
Albie was the worst
Worse than Greg?
Why he was the worst?
It’s toxicity period. Everyone, both genders.
they are all flawed people, but doesn't really have much to do with masculinity, besides cam
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being masculine in fact women seek this in MEN! Stay single feminists 😎
Not the point incel
Actually a lot of women today are going for men like Harry Styles.
No one is saying masculinity is wrong. There’s just toxic ways that it shows up, several of those were highlighted in the show cause they intentionally write stories about toxic characters
@@lara2937 The characters in the show are toxic, because they’re rich. Money changes people. It has nothing to do with gender.
As if toxic femininity isn’t prevalent in this series. They bussin our balls fellas.