I use ffb mainly for the haste bonus from IV. During lust you get nearly 1 second ffb casts. That means you’re almost guaranteed to roll ignite for 20 seconds straight. It’s mana efficient too. We are clearing naxx with 20 every week and I never go oom each fight.
There is no ignite rolling in wotlk? If you crit too fast for your igite to tick, the new value just gets added to it. Aka you lose ignite ticks along the way until you get a big one.
True on the mana efficiency part, and IV is nice, but what blubber said is also true. Ignite rolling is no longer a thing, that was only vanilla. And actually if you roll your ignite all the way until the boss dies, thus not allowing it to ever tick, then you'll severely gimp your own dmg (unlikely to happen crit wise, but I say it to illustrate the point).
@@Crateria would it be worth holding off on IV until lust is over then? I’ve got a priest PI assigned as well in my current raid comp so not sure if worth to have IV and PI up once lust finishes.
Been running FFB since the start of classic because I'm just a FFB enjoyer and its been really nice. It's better with mana management in general because my guild does not speed run and kill times are actually slower than average.
Ooft. Thanks for this! I used to play FFB back in the days but was advised by a few people that TTW was better if I'm hit capped. Gonna definitely give this a crack on the next lockout. Super keen! Keep up the great content my man. Love ya work.
@@Crateria ah i didn't spot the other video Will give it a look So as FFB then no need even for a cqs on pyro? just saw they're looking in to it too. Be interesting to see if they fix it ....and then reduce baseline dmg by x%....and then revert it
Serious question: All through TBC they told us that “fire is coming, fire is coming” and it never came. Arcane was always bis. What makes us think that Wrath will be different?
This explains why my FFB spec out DPS's my fireball spec by miles, figured something was up - Fireball still only good if you lucky with crits, highest I've parsed with just fireball is 97
Hey Crat, as always I would like to thank you for your contributions to the Mage community. However, with your TTW>FFB statement, I have to disagree for p1 because: - bis set ffb WITHOUT FM is ~180 dps ahead of fire ttw WITH FM. So there is probably a 50 dps favor for ST due to someone else benefiting from the FM buff. - however, ffb has stronger aoe, better mana management and requires less hit gear to be fully bis geared. - until ttw is in full bis gear, ffb benefits a lot from needing less hit gear and should do more damage. give these points a thought or two 🙂 Wrdl
For sure, I should've emphasized the P1 BIS part more since now it's more "once you have P1 BIS gear, go TTW" as opposed to before where it was "once you have the hit gear for TTW, go TTW." That said, outside of FM, while I agree and I do think FFB has more advantages than TTW as you've listed, it also depends on the context. Clearcasting can be pretty useful in certain scenarios and speedruns. Also if you aren't the only mage then I still feel bad for the arcane mage who doesn't have someone to swap FM with 😅 But yes I agree with your points overall, and the recommendation is much more about P1 BIS gear now as opposed to simply having hit gear for TTW.
That could very well be the case, and those logs are definitely part of why this was looked into and discovered, but the reason we historically don't put too much stock in Chinese logs is because in the past they've been rife with corrupted and cheated logs, or where they purchase perfect parse runs. Thus it's hard to know what's legit or not.
You suggest that it should be fixed, yet Unholy DK's snapshot insane, broken gargoyle damage, and ignite munching is still a thing with Blizzard stating they have no intention on fixing it. I disagree.
I literally said the opposite for my personal opinion. I said from A CODING PERSPECTIVE that it's clearly unintended, and thus is a bug and should be fixed, but personally I think it's fine and should stay for the reasons I list in the video.
@@Crateria My apologies! You did say from a coding perspective! But I don't believe they have any intention on fixing this based on the fact that they decided to not change ignite munching, gargoyle snapshotting, etc.
@@neostormOCREMIX ignite munching was more the difficulty in the fix they said in private chats with individual from mage disc. This tho we dont have any word from blizz so not sure their thoughts
That Gluth clip at the end 😆
I use ffb mainly for the haste bonus from IV. During lust you get nearly 1 second ffb casts. That means you’re almost guaranteed to roll ignite for 20 seconds straight. It’s mana efficient too. We are clearing naxx with 20 every week and I never go oom each fight.
There is no ignite rolling in wotlk? If you crit too fast for your igite to tick, the new value just gets added to it. Aka you lose ignite ticks along the way until you get a big one.
True on the mana efficiency part, and IV is nice, but what blubber said is also true. Ignite rolling is no longer a thing, that was only vanilla. And actually if you roll your ignite all the way until the boss dies, thus not allowing it to ever tick, then you'll severely gimp your own dmg (unlikely to happen crit wise, but I say it to illustrate the point).
@@Crateria oh wow I didn't know that.
@@Crateria would it be worth holding off on IV until lust is over then? I’ve got a priest PI assigned as well in my current raid comp so not sure if worth to have IV and PI up once lust finishes.
Been running FFB since the start of classic because I'm just a FFB enjoyer and its been really nice. It's better with mana management in general because my guild does not speed run and kill times are actually slower than average.
But does it also benefit from Ice shards talent? 100% critical damage bonus?
Ooft. Thanks for this! I used to play FFB back in the days but was advised by a few people that TTW was better if I'm hit capped. Gonna definitely give this a crack on the next lockout. Super keen!
Keep up the great content my man. Love ya work.
Does this mean that UDC is now bis?
why are you the way that you are
what about t7 4set? maybe 10% bonus instead of 5%
how does it work with frost spec though, does it replace fireball?
That's cute, thanks for the detailed explanations. Go go FFB!
LMAO that play of the game was 10/10
What about casting swapping FB and FFB glyph and using FFB as main spell with TTW spec? is that worth it because of the double dip from crit debuffs?
just learning mage stuff...
Is it correct/true that FFB spec deals with ignite munching "better"? is it still advised to use the WA or a cqs macro?
ffb travels at different speed than pyro so munch mitigation isn't needed, the ignite munching video has further details, cheers
@@Crateria ah i didn't spot the other video
Will give it a look
So as FFB then no need even for a cqs on pyro?
just saw they're looking in to it too. Be interesting to see if they fix it
....and then reduce baseline dmg by x%....and then revert it
So how is the deal now sir? Besides the trade off with focus magic. Is regular fire ttw better performing than ffb with icy veins spec? Really curious
check my ulduar specs video where I discuss fire vs ffb, but tldr both are good just comes down to your situation
@@Crateria thanks m8 i just did. feels like its super close. with FFB being a bit more mana efficient. ty for all the info:)
Do you still need to delay your Pyro's with the Marco with FFB
you never needed to with FFB, check the munching chapter of my fire mage guide video for more info
Any updates as to whether or not they fixed this yet?
nope
We still don't need to keep Scorch up right?
only in execute phase if your warlocks are no longer shadow bolting
so youre saying with arcane focus talent there can be 9% hit just from talents if using ffb?
arcane focus is only for arcane spells
@@Crateria right I forgot, imma try out ffb tonight for fun.
Serious question: All through TBC they told us that “fire is coming, fire is coming” and it never came. Arcane was always bis. What makes us think that Wrath will be different?
We'll find out this weekend (hopefully... assuming PTR Ulduar comes up)
@@Crateria thank you for your reports. My money says it’s gonna be Arcane all the way!
@@TBiz81 Arcane for some and fire for others is my prediction. Fire for progression isn't a bad play either.
Can’t seem to find this, but what is a good hit % to have for FFB spec?
@UnrealStutterEngine ah gotcha. My mage is at 13% lol… I thought it was 13 then 1 from goat, then 3 from raid buffs to equal 17
Crat with the mage news 🙏 ty ty
I did alot of endgame in og wotlk.... started with frostfire build then ended up being just fire
This bug of FFB is stil not fixed? This information is stil actual?
not fixed, also not rly a bug since this is how it was in original wrath too
@@Crateria Thank you for answer, Crateria
ffb still double dips?
yes
So tehnically, with FFB you only need 11% hit?
8% for ffb, 11% for LB/pyro
@@Crateria I am sorry but isnt the hit cap in wotlk 17% ? So you need 14% from talents and gear and get 3% more from the raid?
@@markoniksic3630 yes
what is arcane ms talent??
if you're referring to the graph, the "ms" just means mana support (1 mana tide and 1 innervate)
Nice
This explains why my FFB spec out DPS's my fireball spec by miles, figured something was up - Fireball still only good if you lucky with crits, highest I've parsed with just fireball is 97
Hey Crat,
as always I would like to thank you for your contributions to the Mage community. However, with your TTW>FFB statement, I have to disagree for p1 because:
- bis set ffb WITHOUT FM is ~180 dps ahead of fire ttw WITH FM. So there is probably a 50 dps favor for ST due to someone else benefiting from the FM buff.
- however, ffb has stronger aoe, better mana management and requires less hit gear to be fully bis geared.
- until ttw is in full bis gear, ffb benefits a lot from needing less hit gear and should do more damage.
give these points a thought or two 🙂
Wrdl
For sure, I should've emphasized the P1 BIS part more since now it's more "once you have P1 BIS gear, go TTW" as opposed to before where it was "once you have the hit gear for TTW, go TTW." That said, outside of FM, while I agree and I do think FFB has more advantages than TTW as you've listed, it also depends on the context. Clearcasting can be pretty useful in certain scenarios and speedruns.
Also if you aren't the only mage then I still feel bad for the arcane mage who doesn't have someone to swap FM with 😅
But yes I agree with your points overall, and the recommendation is much more about P1 BIS gear now as opposed to simply having hit gear for TTW.
china knew it allt he way. was always wondering why legit all china mages play FFB n only in NA / EU u find alot of Firebal mages
That could very well be the case, and those logs are definitely part of why this was looked into and discovered, but the reason we historically don't put too much stock in Chinese logs is because in the past they've been rife with corrupted and cheated logs, or where they purchase perfect parse runs. Thus it's hard to know what's legit or not.
nice
i use ffb 4.2k gs i always top dps nax 25 guild run
also i try ttw build but ffb far better for me
Bug/feature
FFB was the mage spec to start wotlk because of the double dip, but people acting like this is a new find
First
They about to nerf it, cuz u made this video now…… lololol
You suggest that it should be fixed, yet Unholy DK's snapshot insane, broken gargoyle damage, and ignite munching is still a thing with Blizzard stating they have no intention on fixing it. I disagree.
I literally said the opposite for my personal opinion. I said from A CODING PERSPECTIVE that it's clearly unintended, and thus is a bug and should be fixed, but personally I think it's fine and should stay for the reasons I list in the video.
@@Crateria My apologies! You did say from a coding perspective! But I don't believe they have any intention on fixing this based on the fact that they decided to not change ignite munching, gargoyle snapshotting, etc.
@@neostormOCREMIX ignite munching was more the difficulty in the fix they said in private chats with individual from mage disc. This tho we dont have any word from blizz so not sure their thoughts