Just a quick FYI: The IR/Infineon TDA21472 isn't a "MOSFET"; it's a (70A) power stage, which, while it does contain MOSFETs, also has a driver stage and current/temperature sensors. As a rule of thumb, if you see two or more individual (3 to 8 pin) packages on each output phase, those'll typically be (high and low side) MOSFETs. If you see just one (14 to 32 pin) package, it's usually an integrated power stage. Not trying to nitpick semantics here; just trying to provide helpful info. Hope you take this in the spirit in which it was intended. Carry on the good work; love the channel.
Thermaltake hasn't figured this one out yet, from Steve's video on their holeless airflow technology. (Video link, skip to 11:50 to get your mind blown th-cam.com/video/vhkYcO1VxOk/w-d-xo.html)
I actually did that once and it worked, but then when I actually needed rma I got screwed for 3x more expensive product... Even with 10 year warranty claim (which ironically just expired few days ago), I got really screwed and since then I was soo disappointed that I never bought anything from that brand again... Geeez, thanx G.skill :S
There were those that left behind some schmoo that said "VOID" on it back in the day. Those you kinda had to scrape/lift off with a PTFE(teflon) tool. Anyway, never understood why you couldn't attempt to fix something on your own, that just seems ridiculous.
@@Earthless_Rock a lot of places is still actually not many. A few games which are better optimised for things like Vulkan, maybe. It's competitive to the RTX3080 in rasterization, but is competitive with the 2080ti in Ray Tracing and has nothing like DLSS. However in pure rasterization performance then sure, it can in a few titles get up there with a RTX3090 and in a few work station apps but still most work station apps will prefer CUDA over OpenCL soooooo... yea.
"Apparently now that Nvidia talked about it people are aware that airflow exists, they invented it in fact" I like when he takes digs at either company's fanboys
I enjoy the irony of AMD moving away from a blower reference design, so Nvidia has now used a hybrid one. But I didn't even understand why someone could think there was a problem until Steve's sarcastic remark
he doesn't care he gets sent them. Plus he doesn't like amd he only ever handles amd cards rough. It's because he says AMD fans moan about it. OF COURSE THEY DO, you only ever do it to amd cards.
also I hadn't even gotten to 2:50 yet I was on 1:07 he is a asshole when it comes to taking care of the $1000's worth of amd products he gets given. I guess youtube fame went to his head. Actually come to think of it. Due to how he handles the card AMD should've just sent the card to a retailer so it could've been sold to someone who clearly wanted it. Cause he surely could care less about it. AMD should've left him to buy one himself since he surely would pay for it to "review" it. XD
I love hove you handle those electronics. Definitely helped me to be more comfortable around pc parts. So far nothing got damaged but then again I didn't toss them directly. :D
Electronics can take a surprising amount of abuse. Had an electronics professor who would smack motherboards against the table to fling the solder out after heating it up. I'm not saying you should do that, but it definitely made me less nervous around them :D
Yes, knowing that those parts are not that easy to break is great. In the end, the only parts that need attention are pins (on cpus or mobos) and sata connectors on hd/ssd.
Maybe I'm the only one here who gently pulled a GPU out of his case after thinking he unlocked the PCIE slot only to see after removing the GPU that the guts of my MOBO were hanging out and the PCIE slot itself remained attached to the GPU pins. Now to your point all I did was cut the guts to be flush with where they were hanging out and applied liquid electrical tape to the affected area and the PC works to this day, but alternatively I let my brother swap the PSU on my server rig and he fried the entire thing somehow.
@@hughjazz44 silicon is strong, the soldering is strong, the thermal paste can handle relatively rough bumps, the screws aren't cheap easily breakable alu and the fans will not dislocate unless you actively pull on it. that card is fine, it's like you flipping out because he threw a brown glass bottle against the wall. Yes it's glass, but it's those brown ones you find in medicine bottles and they can take quite the beating
Honestly, if they had just kept their mouths shut and not had PR campaigns that were doing nothing saying how much Nvidia sucks (hint: this is what Intel is doing with their CPU's, AMD should realize this because they are on the other side of this with their CPU division), then maybe this wouldn't have seemed so underwhelming. It is a decent improvement over their 5000 series GPU's.
@@StormsparkPegasus They delivered what they promised in terms of performance nothing disappointing there. And calling a nearly x2 improvement over the last gen just from a year ago "decent" is a severe understatement. One year and getting nearly twice the performance is more than "decent". Compare to Nvidia that took 2 years to improve at most 45% on an improved node vs their previous gen, meanwhile AMD achieving their massive gain while using the same manufacturing node as their last gen.
@@kittyyuki1537 considering the cooler design, temps and driver instability for overclocking, the card may cook itself over time. Cooling VRMS via piece of metal connected to main cooler via 2 little thermal pads? With no direct airflow? I hope the person, who came up with this particular idea, will burn in hell, just like the card will. For me, reference design is a NO-NO. It´s only viable if you want to put an aftermarket air cooler or water cooling on it.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq To "cook" a card you have to run the components out of spec... So far the temps that were reported were all in spec so pls clarify what you mean
Well this is super neat. Tear downs are one of the more interesting things for tech stuff. I don't have any practical use for this information but it's always cool to see how engineers make things.
Love these detailed teardown vids Steve. Really helps with the little things like how you detached the cable with tweezers. Installing my EK waterblock on my 6800 XT today I will definitely have this one playing in the background.
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Didn't even watch the review yet. But for this i have always time. Keep up the good work tearing down things.
@ Whole screw drivers are generally better quality because you don't have bits that slip, but mostly, they're way faster to work with. We prefer high-quality, dedicated tools.
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@@GamersNexus thank you for your answer, appreciate it.
GN really renewed trust in independent reviews. With no holding back due to fear of getting blanked by companies. Just nice to have a source to trustfully rely on for quality parts. And stuff to stay away from. Thanks. 💎
@@CaveyMoth Been there and done that. Quite a boring affair when you do it yourself to be honest. First one I did was way back... Geforce 4 Ti 4200, before TH-cam even existed. The tiny fan on that quit working so I converted it to become a passively cooled one with the Zalman passive cooling solution, to which I also bought the extra fan just in case.
@@CaveyMoth I did tear down my KFA2 GTX 1070 Mini to remove all the dust and repaste it and that was a quite enjoyable process - but it only had 14 total screws (4 heatsink, 4 shroud, 3 per fan) and was super simple. The size also helped by making it easy to handle!
Great work! Your videos have taught me a lot about the technical side of hardware as I dive back into PC gaming. What I appreciate the most is your consistent methodology in each of your videos. I've watched some that are a few years old, and I can compare them with brand new reviews and teardowns of the 3000 and 6800 series.
6:40 Those stickers are not meant for you, or for any countries with great consumer protection laws. They're meant for us, third world countries with an out of touch and tech illiterate government where it's completely legal to void warranty under these cases as well as scalping straight from the retailer.
Doesn't mean that they don't work on people who don't know better in countries with consumer protection laws. It's always important to point out when they don't apply.
i have removed countless of those stickers ( even the playstation ones that leave a pattern behind ) just by using some alcohol , soaking them, and then you can just pick them up with no damage to them, or ruining the pattern on the ps ones, and the adhesive will work like new after drying :D .. those stickers are useless anyways
THANK YOU! I did it for my 6900 XT! I applied MX-4 and now my temps are 71 with Hot Spot 100, before I was 75 with 111! Took me about one hour to do it. 👍😁
For those of you who want to know the thermal pad thickness, I have looked everywhere to try and find an answer but I can’t. So I ordered a digital caliper and will tear my down and measure all the pads & replace them with 12w/Mk or higher and update the results be a couple days time I get everything done
I absolutely LOVE the format for these videos. Steve is learning along with us on little treks of discovery everytime a new gpu releases. Wholesome af.
As someone that uses 'universal' waterblocks; these types of teardowns are essential, So thank you. (as an aside, this cooler is about the absolute best case scenario for this use-case)
I disassembled this card a few time. Pads on the die is 0.3mm, vrm 1.5 mm, memory chips 1.12mm. After several cards modded for paste, I ve found that 1.5mm on vrm, 1mm on memory and 0.5mm nylon washers are the best. There is no 0.5mm washers available anywhere, so i use my finger tip to sand down a M3x1mm washer on a 220 grids sanding paper. Perfect die contact everytime
I have to underclock, undervolt, and crank up the fans on mine to keep the temps under control. I’m too scared to try to replace the thermal pads or mod it to use thermal paste.
it's called efficiency and optimization, something you may not understand or don't care. In doing so they only had to produce more screws, more plates and use more thermopads is equivalent to spend more time and money and make an old system on the fact of dissipation. the question is wasn't it better to do one piece? in fact it will be you to use a crap piece of product. because i goin to use a waterblock on that. I wonder when things can be done better why not?
@Aaron Moody But that is also going to make a practical difference... Though from a price/performance ratio it is probably not exactly a value proposition. My point was: These are reference design cards. The solution meets the required spec at MSRP. These are not targeting the OC crowd, so if the VRM cooling has the specified headroom (which is usually 30C from max temp when running at 20C ambient) it's perfectly fine. Doing more would cost more, but benefit very few of the total intended audience (granted, GN viewers are disproportionally swayed towards OC'ing the snot out of everything - but we're not "normal" in that regard).... If a reference card isn't noisy, flimsy, loud or hot it is a good card.. unless it's performance doesn't match it's price point.
@@GamersNexus True that. People seem to think you have to handle them with the tips of your fingers, with gloves and an ESD strap.. in reality, in my 20 years building computers I've only lost a handful of parts to damage from handling, and they were all platter drives. I appreciate the more down-to-earth approach. Thanks for the review!
Yay, they did it! I thought they had failed, but in the end they did manage to fuck up their reference card's cooler. Congratulations AMD, I almost thought you had lost your essence in the reconstruction.
I think this explains how AMD's cards pull less wattage but are comparable or potentially even hotter than the Nvidia RTX 3000 series in most reviews I have seen... Nvidia clearly invested more thoughts into adequate cooling where AMD is still kinda like, "let the AIB partners sort it out". Then again saying this, perhaps it's a bit hypocritical when I have a watercooled CPU and GPU anyways.
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart not normalized but I think we can say the GeForce RTX will be louder than the Radeons at stock clocks, at least as far as founders editions go.
I apologize if this has already been answered, but I'm very interested in what thermal pads you're using here Steve to add between the backplate and the card. I'd get me some of those, maybe even whip us up an affiliate link?? :) P.S. thanks for these awesome tear-downs, and thanks to Andrew and Keegan for some rad 4K camera work and editing. I'm a new subscriber and GN is one of my faves now.
I really wish the follow up piece on this had actually come out. Of all the GN content I've watched the one piece that doesn't materialize is the one for the card I actually got!
Thanks to you i modified my 5700xt a year ago. Huge improvement. I very like your reviews, because you dont say what pc parts to buy. Neutral, facts, reliable reviews.
@@SonicDestiny True I just got 1337 RTX 3090s and had no problem. Ambushing people with a baseball bat and yoinking their 3090s was cheap and easy. /sarcasm
What, AMD does not use the secret glue! I love these tear down videos. It means the consumer really gets to see what they getting for their hard earned money. Thank you GN, really appreciate it. Will you be doing a 6900XT tear down?
A teardown with no dremel is always a good one. Thanks for making these! Do you really need to remove the entire cooler assembly to gain access to the fans? That's a weird and cumbersome solution!
@John-Sebastian Levek say: I disassembled this card a few time. Pads on the die is 0.3mm, vrm 1.5 mm, memory chips 1.12mm. After several cards modded for paste, I ve found that 1.5mm on vrm, 1mm on memory and 0.5mm nylon washers are the best. There is no 0.5mm washers available anywhere, so i use my finger tip to sand down a M3x1mm washer on a 220 grids sanding paper. Perfect die contact everytime my questions: can I put paste on the gpu chip??? 10:20 and not use hitachi pad... or put a 0.3mm copper plate?? or 2.0mm+thermal paste and to use the backplate, what size pads should I use? I have seen 4:15 that you have accumulated many, which size?? ESP Desmonté esta tarjeta un par de veces. Las almohadillas en el troquel son de 0,3 mm, vrm de 1,5 mm, chips de memoria de 1,12 mm. Después de varias tarjetas modificadas para pegar, descubrí que 1,5 mm en vrm, 1 mm en memoria y arandelas de nailon de 0,5 mm son las mejores. No hay arandelas de 0,5 mm disponibles en ninguna parte, así que uso la punta de mi dedo para lijar una arandela M3x1 mm en un papel de lija de 220 cuadrículas. Perfecto contacto con el troquel en todo momento Mis Preguntas puedo poner pasta en el chip GPU??? y no poner almoadilla hitachi... 10:20 o poner una placa de cobre 0,3mm?? para usar el backplate que tamaño de pads hay que usar?? he visto 4:15 que has amontonado muchos, de que tamaño??
It's not just unenforcable, it's actually illegal to put those void stickers on products, the FTC put out a letter scolding manufacturers for it not long ago.
Jay2cent called you out and said he falls a sleep watching your videos. I think this channel is better, and i think you guys are better. Then again, i fell a sleep multiple times watching nice hair dude reading numbers from graphs.
Steve: Forcibly jams fingers into fan deforming it Also Steve: "That will probably cause RMA issues later.." I have this card and I didn't feel comfortable putting enough pressure on the fan to make it make contact. I HIGHLY doubt that will ever be an issue unless its defective right out of the box.
I love how many people that have access to top of the line NVidia still got 6800s. Like, us regular folks just looking to upgrade their gpus sure weren’t hoping to pick up a card from this release. Fuck people getting special access to limited supplies.
Watch our AMD RX 6800 XT review & benchmarks here: th-cam.com/video/jLVGL7aAYgY/w-d-xo.html
Grab a GN Modmat here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat
Almost feels like you are upset with that card , the way you handle it :D going to watch the bench video now
Just a quick FYI: The IR/Infineon TDA21472 isn't a "MOSFET"; it's a (70A) power stage, which, while it does contain MOSFETs, also has a driver stage and current/temperature sensors.
As a rule of thumb, if you see two or more individual (3 to 8 pin) packages on each output phase, those'll typically be (high and low side) MOSFETs. If you see just one (14 to 32 pin) package, it's usually an integrated power stage. Not trying to nitpick semantics here; just trying to provide helpful info. Hope you take this in the spirit in which it was intended.
Carry on the good work; love the channel.
You guys are the first people to point out that that thing doesn't have a grill on PCI bracket
So odd shape , like the chip in the series x.
@@EM-ks5my right? It's almost like that's on purpose
1:29 Internet discovers air goes through holes
Top tier timestamp titles there
@@timno9804 truly revolutionary indeed!
Glad thats cleared up from the fanboys in the back who dont know basic physics
It's true, too: Nvidia actually found this out while they were inventing ray tracing.
Thermaltake hasn't figured this one out yet, from Steve's video on their holeless airflow technology. (Video link, skip to 11:50 to get your mind blown th-cam.com/video/vhkYcO1VxOk/w-d-xo.html)
Don't tell Nvidia I leaked this, but you can actually add holes to a GPU you already own! I put a hole right through the die, now it's always cool!
Linus 3 years ago: "HOW TO SAFELY REMOVE WARRANTY STICKERS???"
Steve: "just pull off the whole thing and claim it was never there in the first place"
I actually did that once and it worked, but then when I actually needed rma I got screwed for 3x more expensive product... Even with 10 year warranty claim (which ironically just expired few days ago), I got really screwed and since then I was soo disappointed that I never bought anything from that brand again... Geeez, thanx G.skill :S
There were those that left behind some schmoo that said "VOID" on it back in the day. Those you kinda had to scrape/lift off with a PTFE(teflon) tool. Anyway, never understood why you couldn't attempt to fix something on your own, that just seems ridiculous.
3 years ago was before the FTC ruled that warranty stickers are illegal.
@@luisa9628 companies will still lie to you hoping you don't know
Steve is the OG lol
2:50 Watch out you might activate RAGE MODE if it's near a competitor's card
LoL
🤣🤣
@@theastronaut1876 thats hot
This teardown will be relevant to me in 2021.
Mid 2021*
@@nadaso8819 you can still buy 5000 series and rtx 2000s. I dont know what you are crying for.
i'm going from a 5700xt to 6800xt
@@nadaso8819 I am sure it will be available after graduation. 😂
@@Ricky-oz4ic may be can not afford a new card.
I’m super interested in how similar and different the PCBs are between the companies. Gonna be buying smarter thanks to these videos!
Usually the reference design is just the same.. At least in Vega, dont know about navi
Historically they were all produced by sapphire and then labeled by each brand. They may be doing it differently now.
AIB cards on launch day are almost all reference PCBs as theres not enough time to design your own.
Technically the sticker hasn't been removed, just punched through, so the warranty should still be valid.
Amazing...
wait that's illegal
Lol. Laws are always written with loopholes to support the hiring of lawyers.
@@saywhat9158 the fact we have so many ridiculous laws is because some one in a million $hole decided to have fun
I don't get any free glue with my GPU?! Unacceptable.
with glue it's gonna be the same price as the rtx3080
@@naufaldihilmi8507 Still beats rtx3090 in lots of places
@@Earthless_Rock Look at the benchmarks not rlly true
@@johnathanvarghese8171 Yeah, doesn't beat, but matches in 1080p and 1440p, but not 4k.
@@Earthless_Rock a lot of places is still actually not many. A few games which are better optimised for things like Vulkan, maybe. It's competitive to the RTX3080 in rasterization, but is competitive with the 2080ti in Ray Tracing and has nothing like DLSS. However in pure rasterization performance then sure, it can in a few titles get up there with a RTX3090 and in a few work station apps but still most work station apps will prefer CUDA over OpenCL soooooo... yea.
"Apparently now that Nvidia talked about it people are aware that airflow exists, they invented it in fact" I like when he takes digs at either company's fanboys
I enjoy the irony of AMD moving away from a blower reference design, so Nvidia has now used a hybrid one.
But I didn't even understand why someone could think there was a problem until Steve's sarcastic remark
Sapphire cards used blow through designs first.
2:50 Be gentle, those are priceless limited run collectables.
He really doesn't care XD what was that. I was like the poor gpu that thousands of people are trying to get their hands on is getting yeeted by Steve
LOL he doesn't care, he's been doing it for years. Most think he does it on purpose to trigger viewers.
Heeere's Turing!
he doesn't care he gets sent them. Plus he doesn't like amd he only ever handles amd cards rough. It's because he says AMD fans moan about it. OF COURSE THEY DO, you only ever do it to amd cards.
also I hadn't even gotten to 2:50 yet I was on 1:07 he is a asshole when it comes to taking care of the $1000's worth of amd products he gets given. I guess youtube fame went to his head.
Actually come to think of it. Due to how he handles the card AMD should've just sent the card to a retailer so it could've been sold to someone who clearly wanted it. Cause he surely could care less about it. AMD should've left him to buy one himself since he surely would pay for it to "review" it. XD
I love hove you handle those electronics. Definitely helped me to be more comfortable around pc parts. So far nothing got damaged but then again I didn't toss them directly. :D
You should also watch LTT where Linus is manhandling hw in his youtube-butterfingers persona ;)
working in datacenters, most electronics are more resilient than people make out. However it's not an excuse for not being careful anyways.
Electronics can take a surprising amount of abuse. Had an electronics professor who would smack motherboards against the table to fling the solder out after heating it up. I'm not saying you should do that, but it definitely made me less nervous around them :D
Yes, knowing that those parts are not that easy to break is great.
In the end, the only parts that need attention are pins (on cpus or mobos) and sata connectors on hd/ssd.
Maybe I'm the only one here who gently pulled a GPU out of his case after thinking he unlocked the PCIE slot only to see after removing the GPU that the guts of my MOBO were hanging out and the PCIE slot itself remained attached to the GPU pins.
Now to your point all I did was cut the guts to be flush with where they were hanging out and applied liquid electrical tape to the affected area and the PC works to this day, but alternatively I let my brother swap the PSU on my server rig and he fried the entire thing somehow.
I love how Steve slams the cards around, just knowing that people are going to needlessly freak out.
well his complaining about pads that and not even cooling memory, clearly for support.
**tries to fuck the fans up** "I wouldn't be surprised if this is gonna be an RMA issue at some point"
I don't love it. The entire world is trying to buy these cards, and he gets them for free and then just throws them around.
@@hughjazz44 silicon is strong, the soldering is strong, the thermal paste can handle relatively rough bumps, the screws aren't cheap easily breakable alu and the fans will not dislocate unless you actively pull on it. that card is fine, it's like you flipping out because he threw a brown glass bottle against the wall. Yes it's glass, but it's those brown ones you find in medicine bottles and they can take quite the beating
@@silverhawkroman You're completely missing the point.
9:57 "These tweezers..."
*The Verge has entered the chat.*
Amd: *nervous sweating*
Honestly, if they had just kept their mouths shut and not had PR campaigns that were doing nothing saying how much Nvidia sucks (hint: this is what Intel is doing with their CPU's, AMD should realize this because they are on the other side of this with their CPU division), then maybe this wouldn't have seemed so underwhelming. It is a decent improvement over their 5000 series GPU's.
@@StormsparkPegasus They delivered what they promised in terms of performance nothing disappointing there. And calling a nearly x2 improvement over the last gen just from a year ago "decent" is a severe understatement. One year and getting nearly twice the performance is more than "decent". Compare to Nvidia that took 2 years to improve at most 45% on an improved node vs their previous gen, meanwhile AMD achieving their massive gain while using the same manufacturing node as their last gen.
@@kittyyuki1537 considering the cooler design, temps and driver instability for overclocking, the card may cook itself over time.
Cooling VRMS via piece of metal connected to main cooler via 2 little thermal pads? With no direct airflow? I hope the person, who came up with this particular idea, will burn in hell, just like the card will.
For me, reference design is a NO-NO. It´s only viable if you want to put an aftermarket air cooler or water cooling on it.
@@Morpheus-pt3wq To "cook" a card you have to run the components out of spec... So far the temps that were reported were all in spec so pls clarify what you mean
@@StormsparkPegasus haha classic fanboi
Well this is super neat. Tear downs are one of the more interesting things for tech stuff. I don't have any practical use for this information but it's always cool to see how engineers make things.
"Nvidia invented air. and holes. Air goes through holes"
- Steve GN, 2020
Hole technology was actually invented in the late 2000s for use in xbox accessories. TH-cam hole technology
AMD is gonna be releasing a new bike soon for Steve to review, but this time they wont fail at their mission.
So it looks like board partners have some headroom to make improvements.
Unless the margins are so thin (looking at you nvidia) that they literally don't have more than a couple bucks to spend on the cooler.
also looks like watercooling blocks are going to be real easy to make
Love these detailed teardown vids Steve. Really helps with the little things like how you detached the cable with tweezers. Installing my EK waterblock on my 6800 XT today I will definitely have this one playing in the background.
Didn't even watch the review yet. But for this i have always time.
Keep up the good work tearing down things.
DO NOT TEAR UP
@@GamersNexus i just realized, and maybe it's already been answered milion times. But why don't just do bits instead of whole different screwdrivers?
@ Whole screw drivers are generally better quality because you don't have bits that slip, but mostly, they're way faster to work with. We prefer high-quality, dedicated tools.
@@GamersNexus thank you for your answer, appreciate it.
@@GamersNexus Another big one is that they can get into recessed holes that replaceable tip drivers can't
GN really renewed trust in independent reviews. With no holding back due to fear of getting blanked by companies. Just nice to have a source to trustfully rely on for quality parts. And stuff to stay away from. Thanks. 💎
Am I the only one who thinks those tear-downs are extremely relaxing?
Nope, I love to watch James May as well. Putting back together old gear, repairing train models. Stuff like that.
You should try a graphics card teardown sometime. It's not as relaxing as it looks, sadly. =\
@@CaveyMoth Been there and done that. Quite a boring affair when you do it yourself to be honest.
First one I did was way back... Geforce 4 Ti 4200, before TH-cam even existed. The tiny fan on that quit working so I converted it to become a passively cooled one with the Zalman passive cooling solution, to which I also bought the extra fan just in case.
@@CaveyMoth I did tear down my KFA2 GTX 1070 Mini to remove all the dust and repaste it and that was a quite enjoyable process - but it only had 14 total screws (4 heatsink, 4 shroud, 3 per fan) and was super simple.
The size also helped by making it easy to handle!
I've only torn down 2 graphics cards: An EVGA GTS 450 and an EVGA RTX 2060 XC Black. Both came apart easily with only 4 screws. I love EVGA, man.
THANK YOU @gamersnexus, for your tip with the fan cables! Couldn't get them off and I was stuck. You saved my water cooling project!
Great work! Your videos have taught me a lot about the technical side of hardware as I dive back into PC gaming. What I appreciate the most is your consistent methodology in each of your videos. I've watched some that are a few years old, and I can compare them with brand new reviews and teardowns of the 3000 and 6800 series.
Wish they would engineer them so you can replace the fans without having to take the whole thing apart.
I don't think you have to remove the fin stack.
XFX has done that a few times. It's never stuck because usually the card will be obsolete long before the fans die.
@@Nick-ue7iw Well, the vast majority of users live with obsolete cards for years though.
Fans are one of the last things to die on a GPU
@Ben T. all nitro are with removable fans
Steve is so careless with hardware the way he handles them, sometimes it seems he doesn't even like hardware. Love it hahaha
6:40 Those stickers are not meant for you, or for any countries with great consumer protection laws. They're meant for us, third world countries with an out of touch and tech illiterate government where it's completely legal to void warranty under these cases as well as scalping straight from the retailer.
Doesn't mean that they don't work on people who don't know better in countries with consumer protection laws. It's always important to point out when they don't apply.
So who else couldn’t even view any products online today until they were already out of stock...
i have removed countless of those stickers ( even the playstation ones that leave a pattern behind ) just by using some alcohol , soaking them, and then you can just pick them up with no damage to them, or ruining the pattern on the ps ones, and the adhesive will work like new after drying :D .. those stickers are useless anyways
Nobody:
XFX: “XFX TRIPLE THICCC III ULTRA 6900 XT”
that was funny last year
MSI Maestro II 6900 XT Magnum
@@priitmolder6475 They'll append "Nice" at the end of the name
@@dirtyasianmafia2310 Not even then... God I hate these fncking comments...
THANK YOU! I did it for my 6900 XT! I applied MX-4 and now my temps are 71 with Hot Spot 100, before I was 75 with 111! Took me about one hour to do it. 👍😁
For those of you who want to know the thermal pad thickness, I have looked everywhere to try and find an answer but I can’t. So I ordered a digital caliper and will tear my down and measure all the pads & replace them with 12w/Mk or higher and update the results be a couple days time I get everything done
did you measure the pad thickness ?
I absolutely LOVE the format for these videos. Steve is learning along with us on little treks of discovery everytime a new gpu releases. Wholesome af.
like watching the food network when your really hungry
I like the design, being able to see the finstack from the side. Really looks like useful airflow path
As someone that uses 'universal' waterblocks; these types of teardowns are essential, So thank you. (as an aside, this cooler is about the absolute best case scenario for this use-case)
I disassembled this card a few time. Pads on the die is 0.3mm, vrm 1.5 mm, memory chips 1.12mm. After several cards modded for paste, I ve found that 1.5mm on vrm, 1mm on memory and 0.5mm nylon washers are the best. There is no 0.5mm washers available anywhere, so i use my finger tip to sand down a M3x1mm washer on a 220 grids sanding paper. Perfect die contact everytime
what happen if put paste in DIE ?? 0,3mm
my question: can I put paste on the gpu chip??? and not hitachi pad... or put a 0.3mm copper plate?? maybe 0.2mm cooper with thermalpaste
@@ssSiPiXxx overheat in short term. If the paste is too thick, when dryed, it act as an isolant
I have to underclock, undervolt, and crank up the fans on mine to keep the temps under control. I’m too scared to try to replace the thermal pads or mod it to use thermal paste.
Great video, love the tear downs! Few others take the time to delve so dep into the actual hardware, thanks for being the one to lead.
2:50 best part just because I know people lost there minds.
If the temps of the VRM are in normal zone then I have to disagree. If design works good enough there's no problem with it
the design is old and stupid who care if work but is not for 2020/2021.
@@Notusasusus very scientific thinking you have there. You should look for some work within the industry
@@Notusasusus You basically just implied that things should be made more expensive for no practical gain.
it's called efficiency and optimization, something you may not understand or don't care. In doing so they only had to produce more screws, more plates and use more thermopads is equivalent to spend more time and money and make an old system on the fact of dissipation.
the question is wasn't it better to do one piece?
in fact it will be you to use a crap piece of product. because i goin to use a waterblock on that.
I wonder when things can be done better why not?
@Aaron Moody But that is also going to make a practical difference... Though from a price/performance ratio it is probably not exactly a value proposition. My point was: These are reference design cards. The solution meets the required spec at MSRP. These are not targeting the OC crowd, so if the VRM cooling has the specified headroom (which is usually 30C from max temp when running at 20C ambient) it's perfectly fine. Doing more would cost more, but benefit very few of the total intended audience (granted, GN viewers are disproportionally swayed towards OC'ing the snot out of everything - but we're not "normal" in that regard).... If a reference card isn't noisy, flimsy, loud or hot it is a good card.. unless it's performance doesn't match it's price point.
Thanks, Steve. I just took apart my reference 6950xt to put on a water block. Same cooler design, so this helped.
Time to change thermal pads and time to look back through the GN teardown videos. Such an invaluable reference. Thanks 2020 Steve.
2:50 The way that 2080 Showed Up...😂
Where is the follow up piece you are referring to? I have a 6800 XT and would love to see how you improved it even if by little.
$50 saving over 3080 from not including any glue
Just a shame they didn't take notes from the evga ftw3 and not put red all over the damn card
@@samgoff5289 atleast the red on this looks better than on the evga ftw3. Its still not great for non red builds
Steve tearing stuff down is my favorite ASMR content
Confirmed gamers nexus mod mat is just a PaPeRlAuNcH never in stock
Except if you backorder it, you will actually get the modmat. 😁
*angry comment made seconds after the video launched claiming to have watched the entire thing*
=))))
MAD!
RAGE MODE ON 😎😠😈
Steve's most hated nemesis has got to be glue.
I'm so early that I can only access the video through my home screen instead of GN's channel. Interesting.
You sure have something against the card to throw it around like that.
durability testing. Have to be sure it can survive shipping out to consumers.
It's to trigger comments because people think these things are so fragile.
lol it's not as fragile as you think I've been handling parts for years without proper safety measures and I've had 0 problems
@@GamersNexus linus approves of this method.
@@GamersNexus True that. People seem to think you have to handle them with the tips of your fingers, with gloves and an ESD strap.. in reality, in my 20 years building computers I've only lost a handful of parts to damage from handling, and they were all platter drives. I appreciate the more down-to-earth approach. Thanks for the review!
Yay, they did it! I thought they had failed, but in the end they did manage to fuck up their reference card's cooler. Congratulations AMD, I almost thought you had lost your essence in the reconstruction.
I think this explains how AMD's cards pull less wattage but are comparable or potentially even hotter than the Nvidia RTX 3000 series in most reviews I have seen... Nvidia clearly invested more thoughts into adequate cooling where AMD is still kinda like, "let the AIB partners sort it out". Then again saying this, perhaps it's a bit hypocritical when I have a watercooled CPU and GPU anyways.
@@DoomsdayR3sistance Were those reviews noise-normalized? I haven't seen thermal/noise comparisons yet
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart not normalized but I think we can say the GeForce RTX will be louder than the Radeons at stock clocks, at least as far as founders editions go.
The only true winner here is Samsung.
Yes.
holy shit, you right
I apologize if this has already been answered, but I'm very interested in what thermal pads you're using here Steve to add between the backplate and the card. I'd get me some of those, maybe even whip us up an affiliate link?? :)
P.S. thanks for these awesome tear-downs, and thanks to Andrew and Keegan for some rad 4K camera work and editing. I'm a new subscriber and GN is one of my faves now.
Steve looks genuinely happy in teardown videos.
Steve and the fellows at the GN Network, you guys are doing god’s work. Godspeed you magnificent bastards.
It is kinda similar to God. Neither can be found
Do I smell a fellow MB? 🤣😂
I really wish the follow up piece on this had actually come out. Of all the GN content I've watched the one piece that doesn't materialize is the one for the card I actually got!
Thanks to you i modified my 5700xt a year ago. Huge improvement. I very like your reviews, because you dont say what pc parts to buy. Neutral, facts, reliable reviews.
does anyone else find these teardowns just super satisfying
5:50 due to how you treat things i'm not shocked they don't work
Conclusion: „Everybody is pretty exhausted, 👋 goodbye.“ 😂
Dropping of the cards are so subtle . Almost intentional ;)
The teardowns are definitely my favorite content, probably because of some childhood memory where I smashed electronic just to get to the magnets
Fun fact about that "Warranty Void if Removed" sticker: The warranty itself states that removing the sticker does not void the warranty.
Gamers' Nexus tares it up once more!!! Thanks for the all the in-depth and timely reviews!!
I still believe more an real engineer than a guy tearing apart stuff for hobby xP
Steve: *twists fan against fins making evil demon sound*
Me out loud by myself at my monitor: "Stop!"
Fanrastic Job Steve! I love this kind of videos, teardown is always interesting
Steve is channeling our frustration in these GPU videos, and I love it.
Thank you so much! I just got in the Ekwb and was so afraid to dig into this.
I love watching your videos at night. They help me sleep.
If none of these cards are in stock by Christmas or by January, I'll go into *RAGE MODE*
Which January? Please specify. Otherwise it might be in 2040 or later...
@@Morpheus-pt3wq just buy nvidia ,there are more in stock
I honestly wouldn't expect stock until MAYBE mid January if you aren't refreshing every few seconds.
But Steve already showed that RAGE MODE doesn't help...
@@SonicDestiny True I just got 1337 RTX 3090s and had no problem. Ambushing people with a baseball bat and yoinking their 3090s was cheap and easy.
/sarcasm
What, AMD does not use the secret glue!
I love these tear down videos. It means the consumer really gets to see what they getting for their hard earned money.
Thank you GN, really appreciate it. Will you be doing a 6900XT tear down?
That full-coverage, irregularly-shaped vapor chamber looks EXPENSIVE.
A teardown with no dremel is always a good one. Thanks for making these!
Do you really need to remove the entire cooler assembly to gain access to the fans? That's a weird and cumbersome solution!
At least we know where all the MLCC caps went.
;)
I just want you to know I love your sense of humor, Steve. When you knocked over the 6800xt, I laughed really hard.
@John-Sebastian Levek say:
I disassembled this card a few time. Pads on the die is 0.3mm, vrm 1.5 mm, memory chips 1.12mm. After several cards modded for paste, I ve found that 1.5mm on vrm, 1mm on memory and 0.5mm nylon washers are the best. There is no 0.5mm washers available anywhere, so i use my finger tip to sand down a M3x1mm washer on a 220 grids sanding paper. Perfect die contact everytime
my questions: can I put paste on the gpu chip??? 10:20 and not use hitachi pad... or put a 0.3mm copper plate?? or 2.0mm+thermal paste
and to use the backplate, what size pads should I use? I have seen 4:15 that you have accumulated many, which size??
ESP
Desmonté esta tarjeta un par de veces. Las almohadillas en el troquel son de 0,3 mm, vrm de 1,5 mm, chips de memoria de 1,12 mm. Después de varias tarjetas modificadas para pegar, descubrí que 1,5 mm en vrm, 1 mm en memoria y arandelas de nailon de 0,5 mm son las mejores. No hay arandelas de 0,5 mm disponibles en ninguna parte, así que uso la punta de mi dedo para lijar una arandela M3x1 mm en un papel de lija de 220 cuadrículas. Perfecto contacto con el troquel en todo momento
Mis Preguntas puedo poner pasta en el chip GPU??? y no poner almoadilla hitachi... 10:20 o poner una placa de cobre 0,3mm??
para usar el backplate que tamaño de pads hay que usar?? he visto 4:15 que has amontonado muchos, de que tamaño??
It's not just unenforcable, it's actually illegal to put those void stickers on products, the FTC put out a letter scolding manufacturers for it not long ago.
Jay2cent called you out and said he falls a sleep watching your videos. I think this channel is better, and i think you guys are better. Then again, i fell a sleep multiple times watching nice hair dude reading numbers from graphs.
Hey Steve, can you check if the red plastik ring can be removed and painted / replaced with a black 3d printed part? Thank you very much
GN does 2 videos with 6800xt benchmarks, overclocking and teardown. Linus:does a video with some unknown guy on new mac's......
Am I the only one thinking that cards (at least this one) look better without the backplate? I'm a huge fan of seeing the components.
I just hate the way this backplate looks tbh
They're actually using name brand fans instead of obscure chinese ones now, that's nice
the 1 vid I care about today, thanks GN. interesting that the die is not on an angle like previous Radeon cards
Thanks for being so thorough, subbed!
Looks like a relatively easy pull apart - makes water cooling even more tempting.
I'll be waiting for the custom cards on this one. Last radeon card I had was a 290
the big question is this: can the 6800 be bio flashed to the 6800xt
Big question is whether or not everyone can get one at some point next year
They use different chips, how is a bios flash supposed to work there? 6800 is 60 CU 96 Rops while the 6800xt is 72 Cu 128 Rops.
@@ralfrudi3963 same chip but with the 12 Cu disabled
@@ralfrudi3963 RX 5700/5700XT is 36/40CU too, but bios flashing on RX 5700 is a thing.
Nowadays they lazer the parts to disable them, rather then just bios locking.
2:50 👀
The amount of smd caps under the GPU is intense, AMD over here using all the microvias
Nvidia: So how many caps do you put on your GPUs?
AMD: Yes
Oh my gosh if it wasn't him trying to be Mr jump cuts and all this framing and explanations I would have expected Mr jump cuts!
Backplate thermal pad is important especially for pcb and vrams
19:11 - 16mm
18:19 AMD used all the glue in their 5000 series CPUs ;).
Steve: Forcibly jams fingers into fan deforming it
Also Steve: "That will probably cause RMA issues later.."
I have this card and I didn't feel comfortable putting enough pressure on the fan to make it make contact. I HIGHLY doubt that will ever be an issue unless its defective right out of the box.
Is there a follow up that shows
thermal results with the thermal pads? I cant find it.
Your awesome dude, with your warranty snippet
I love how many people that have access to top of the line NVidia still got 6800s. Like, us regular folks just looking to upgrade their gpus sure weren’t hoping to pick up a card from this release. Fuck people getting special access to limited supplies.
He didn’t show the thermal pad removal :(