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We have a look at a high end Kitchen Aid mixer. I was amazed at the castings and gear train. It's got a BIG DC MOTOR! Lots of great features to poke at on this thing, but as per usual, we don't have to look to hard to find some poor design trade-offs.
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I'm grateful you actually noticed the dyno testing listed on the packaging. I was the one who carried it out when I was an intern in Whirlpool's motor lab. I spent many hours disassembling and mounting the motor and gear case in a dark, windowless basement to get those results. I never thought anyone would even notice!
How has this comment not gotten more attention
You wouldn't happen to work in the Benton Harbor or St Joe facility? Would you?
@@jordanschaeffer1666 because he’s a liar
@@randyruppel6727 he’s a liar, I was the one who did the testing, it was done at the underwriter laboratories northern Illinois location. He’s been stealing my thunder for years. I ain’t having it no moe
You are a hero 🙌
After seeing how the box was opened, I have discovered that Amazon ships all my stuff to AvE for playtime before sending it to me.
I just figured it was Ace Ventura the whole time.
Holy f.... your not wrong about that. The last few things I've ordered have came in hanging out of the box. Though I have started to get a few things from that internet auto parts store Rock Auto. They do a fantastic job with packaging. Double boxing with cushioning in between.
He does quality assurance!
I am an electrician, I worked at a UPS hub once. One of the big things was that any pipe that we ran that could be used to do pulllups on had to be able to take the strain. (rigid pipe, not EMT, extra supports above and beyond what code requires).
I also saw a ups employee driving around on a golf cart with a tv. The tv fell off onto the ground. He got out of the golf cart, walked over to the package, KICKED IT, put it back on the golf cart, and drove off.@@dnb5661
@@jeffscantling6199 Plenty of TH-cam vids showing off the united medieval brethren of UPS delivery people. One guy even throws a flat screen over a fence because he can't get in.
The way you unbox fragile and expensive products with the speed and grace of a crack addled elephant always puts a smile on my face.
Haha!! Brilliant comment :-D
Classic! I was just thinking how expensive it looked as he was filing on it.
I didn't realize this video was 45 minutes long until I was 42 minutes in.
AvE's VJOs are best played at 1.75x.
MoldyKetchup I didn’t realize it was 45 minutes long until I saw your comment
Eh opinions, opinions, AvE is about the only channel I play at regular speed.
I also can't believe I sat through the whole thing.
Damn, cannot fathom that I just watched the entire video not realizing the length.
I just watched 45 minutes of some guy talking apart a mixer. And I enjoyed it. WTF is wrong with me?!
mikeallenbrown1 yeah bro, welcome, join the club..
mikeallenbrown1
So did I.
Greetings from Berlin.
Now your ready for the rest of them!
Welcome aboard..!
Seriously, it's an amazing way to present information.
AvE is very deserving of his growing follower count
Just watching all of his tear downs will teach you so much about how things are put together and how they function; which in turn will come in very handy when things invariable go wrong.
You'd be surprised how much "junk" can be made completely serviceable again just by taking it apart and replacing a few tiny components.
Great channel.
I'm an engineer myself, but I keep being impressed by the spectrum of knowledge this guy has...hats off.
@@superiorbeing95 sauce
@@superiorbeing95 lol wut
I like it when his little researcher shows up in the shop to show off her boots or help LOL
He has a "way" about him when it comes to explaining it too. This is the kind of guy you want as a neighbor. Sounds like I need to move to Canada.
PhD in the Trades, clearly.
I know im 6 years late to the party, but i can answer some questions. I worked as a maintenance and automation controls technician at the manufacturer that casted the beaters and hooks for these mixers.
The mixers are painted through a powder coating process. Whether its a form of enamel or plastic i dont know, but i was always told powder coated paint.
As far as the base metal they are all cast aluminum (minus the whisks). And the broached section is formed during the casting using an inserted core with that "j-hook" feature.
Love your vjos and what you do. This Old Tony showed me i can justify having my own machine shop purely for a hobby, and you keep my engineering passion thriving.
This video caught my eye. I worked at the plant that makes the castings. PHB die casting in Fairview Pennsylvania is where they are made. I made all the parts that are zinc. The metal is ZA-27. I probably touched tens of thousands of those parts. My carpal tunnel flared up just watching you tear it apart. Bonus info....PHB stands for Parker Hilbert and Benson, the Jeezless slave drivers that own the plant.
As a Whirlpool employee I am very proud of what we make. It might not be perfect but it is a product I believe in. Was really glad Kitchen Aid received such high praise! Made my day.
@Southeastern777 ATK broke one while testing, still declared it the winner.
Southeastern777 It’s a closed housing ‘ventilation’, it should have problems when working like a pro multiple batches. It’s surprising they where able to double the power while keeping the same cooling system.
Proud to have to recall 500,000 washing machines because of fire risk??
@@benllewelyn98 Hotpoint and Indesit brands (low-end), designed and built _prior_ to Whirlpool acquiring the company.
Southeastern777 Noreen? 😂
This video actually saved my ass.
The girlfriend had been wanting one of these mixers for years, but is too cheap to bite the bullet and pay out for one. Well, the neighbors were cleaning out their house, due to rebuilding after a fire (everyone was thankfully safe, and the house is on the fast track to being rebuilt,) and they just damn well threw one of those mixers out!
Literally, from a third floor window.
Well, I not being fool enough to pass up the chance, asked if I could have it. They said sure, and I brought it home. of course the damnable thing didn't work, even after applying a doming hammer with liberal gusto. I was just about to tear the thing up and keep the gears and maybe the motor in case I needed to build something to kick my own ass for me, but I remembered you had done a video taking one of these things apart, and it might help. Damned if it didn't, because it turned out that the varistor on the bottom had straight up sheered off and flown down into a crevice inside of the housing. Guess the impact had pulled out the weak solder joints, and I hadn't questioned the two empty holes (something every man should take the time to do.)
Fixed the mixer up all well and good, and I was a hero for at least the next twenty minutes, until the girlfriend told me I could use it to make us a batch of bagels, at which point my noble efforts were forgotten.
Mmm bagels. That's a smart lady.
Definitelly she is a keeper.
Wonderfully said
I had a similar experience, my sisters-in-law was throwing hers out, but I caught it before she threw it out the proverbial window. That mixer was a mess though. She literally never used the dang thing so all of the food grade grease separated, mind you this was an older model which had about 16oz of grease on the gears. After years of no use, it separated and leaked all over the outside of the machine. I took it home, disassembled it, cleaned everything (took 1.5 hours) and then liberally applies new food grade grease. The thing works like a charm now, I also told my wife it has to be used monthly so that doesn’t happen again. She bakes a lot more now than she used too ;)
isstvan82
What do you mean by ‘video’?
Oh, gotcha ‘vejeo’
I was very impressed when years ago I saw one of these in a concrete testing lab. They used to mix small batches of concrete for testing. CONCRETE!!!
@@Cheepchipsable well not all doughs i think its for testing thicker batters and some enriched doughs that are a wet mess for awhile until it's fully mixed or doughs like brioche that require you to mix in butter to an already thick glutinous dough a bit at a time which turns into a thick wet slimy dough until 7-10 minutes later forming a dough ball again.
Was it a kitchen aid or hobart N50? I use to work as a field tech for hobart and that's what I've seen in concrete testing. Hobart sold kitchen aid back in the 60 or 70 they still look like the N50 and a120
@@Cheepchipsable Dough is worse, especially high gluten dough. Concrete at the very least doesn't actively resist shear when wet, its just dense.
I mixed bread dough batches in a cement mixer for a bakery as I needed a larger volume.
I stripped out the gearing on my wife's Kitchenaid grinding up an entire frozen turkey. She was not happy. But I too was amazed when I opened it up at how well built and serviceable the damn thing was. The gear I burned through was a sacrificial Nylon gear. I remember everyone being furious in the part reviews that it was a Nylon gear... but man, that was part of the design beauty. Instead of burning out the motor or wrecking some expensive metal gears, there's just a little nylon part you can keep a bunch of spares for around. A real metal gear would actually serve the manufacturer better because you're more likely to destroy the whole drivetrain.
So, two things surprised me about this teardown... 1 is that there doesn't appear to be a sacrificial gear in the drivetrain, so with the professional version you're also given more trust not to overdrive the thing. And 2 is that the grease doesn't look like the black food-safe grease that mine was packed with.
Licorice grease?
Canadian 🍁 Black Bear Tallow? 🐻
These larger bowl lift models use a brass worm gear, same principle.
"is that there doesn't appear to be a sacrificial gear in the drivetrai" Because the electric board do on this the safety stop. "grease doesn't look like the black food-safe" That is 100 year old shell grease, its outdated. .. trust me, this is food grade grease in it. And, try super lube food grease, much better.
@@usx06240 not this one.
You're mastery of the English language and swearing abilities are quite a thing to behold 😂
Always entertaining and informative.
That was funny. I liked it but laughed till my gut hurt.😂😂😂
I don't think you really appreciate his swearing ability. You are only getting 50% of his ability since I suspect his Francophone swearing ability is way more impressive.
*your 😑
I am not even into engineering. I come back to expand my dictionary.
I was just disappointed you didn't say rectum fryer.
This is one of the USA's greatest hits in terms of design. It's iconic. It's nice to see that the company hasn't compromised quality in the name of profit. So often you see products that have earned a reputation for quality being produced cheaply once the brand is well established.
Dang! That thing is built like a '53 BUICK! I needed a part for my KitchenAid stove and I called them. I got through to a HUMAN in less than *30* SECONDS. 😀
They are one of the few that will not only let you talk to a human but they still stock parts for very old discontinued models. Reasonable prices as well. Not enough companies do things that way any more. Good for your pocket book long term and good for the environment as well. Win win.
@@galihad1980 . Also good for their reputation, repeat business and legacy.
Kitcheaid mixers have a tank reputation around here and I dont even bake... that's got to mean something.
@@ezhekial Good. I'm glad to read that, because every now and then, I hear people complaining and saying the new KitchenAids are junk.
This thing is so overbuilt that its lifespan is probably 4 or 5 humans
It was cool to see how impressed you were with the housing casting. Many years ago, I had the pleasure of working with the two old dudes that that made the molds for those housings in a little mold shop in Dayton Ohio. What a learning experience that was for me and I'm eternally grateful for that experience. Let me tell you, these old guys are the real deal! They took the work very seriously and they'd be proud to know their hard work was appreciated. Thanks for the video. This one hit close to home for me.
I really never thought I'd watch a 45 minute movie about a blender
I'm Blenda, please insert girder . . .
Jebus... I didn't realize it was 45m until you said something. 🎼 *_where does the time go?_* 🎶
Holy crap that was 45 min!!
It's a Kitchenaid mixer
Then you've never watched an ave vid before
I'm a little late to the party, but the cantilevered PCB is a design decision to concentrate strain on the board. PCBs don't like strain, of course. The metal all around the PCB doesn't mind strain from vibration - it's homogeneous metal in elasticity. When you couple the PCB to both sides of a vibrating metal chassis, you force the board to strain with the metal, very likely in its plastic region. That leads to cracks in the traces, dendrite growth and eventually traces lifting off the PCB. When you cantilever the board, you can control where the strain is located on the PCB and limit the traces exposed to that strain. Other things like the electrolytic caps are mounted on robust tractes with tons (as you pointed out) of solder to hold it to the board, and those legs are strained well within their plastic region (indeed, it's a property of the caps that component manufacturers charge extra for).
Great video! Looking forward to perusing your library.
Trevor Nickerson I heavily appreciate the uploader read your comment :)
So you're saying it's very a very subtle form of planned obsolescence?
No, he's saying it's the opposite - the board is free floating like that to prolong the life of the components on it so they're less likely to fail through vibration.
Not sure computer components are a good comparison. Those frequencies are orders of magnitude higher and the amplitudes are orders of magnitudes lower than what's probably going on in this mixer. Rubber bushings may do the job there but may not here.
That’s probably right. My guess was less vibration and was thinkinging the PCB might expand/contract differently than all those thick alloy parts and it was to prevent stretch/squinch.
My wife used to call hers "the Bridgeport of the kitchen"
Lucky man to have a wife who knows Bridgeport
You got yourself a good one lol
keep that one happy.
You finally took apart something you like and call quality. I can die happy. I bought my wife one of these 17 years ago. Still works like new.
He knocked the paddle painting a little bit, but ours is twelve years old and still kicking so it can’t be that poorly made. :) I do understand his concern.
@Cliff P mine's only 27 yo.
Bought a "broken" one for my ex lubed it and she is still running 25 years later. Both the mixer and the ex. ;)
@@galihad1980 so your saying they both still chooch?
@@ctdieselnut indeed they due, but under new management.
Best unboxing ever! 😂 Thanks for the huge shout out man! I've noticed my subs peaked 💯 K this evening!
I know I headed right over and sub'd. I've been binge watching your vids. They're worth the high-praise!
Congratulations Adam!
Your videos are always entertaining and educating.
Even for somebody like me who's just pushing ones and zeros around for a living.
Hey Adam, I found your channel from the first ave shout out and just wanted you to know I ALWAYS pick up something watching your videos and I'm not even a machinist. Like the man said, looking over the shoulder of a master is such a valuable learning tool. You totally earned those 100,000 subs and we are all the better for it. Thanks man!
Thanks guys! Glad you enjoy the vids! Not as witty with the comic relief as AvE here but you might learn how to improve that surface finish!
Ave has his style and it works for what he does. Old Tony has his thing. Your videos are every bit as "good" and have their own style. Keep up the good work Adam I enjoy the hell out of your channel. Bought me a SIIG mini mill and mini lathe from littlemachine shop because I watch you guys so much and wanted to give er a go. I appreciate what you do sir. Thank you.
I prefer that floating circuit board. The housing vibrates, and those floating bushing filters out the high frequency stuff. The whole board vibrates. Tie that board down, that energy is transferred to the components with the highest mass. The board stays static and the components vibrate and stress fail. Guessing... but I bet that's very carefully designed to increase life.
As an engineer who works with such things I can say that you are exactly correct. It is engineered to last, not to fail.
Yep, looks well isolated to me for a static application. Cheaper than having rubber bobbins, and will isolate from lower frequencies as well, which is probably pretty common with the low speed of the eccentric mixing shaft.
but why not then use foam
some hot glue or similar on those dangly bits wouldn't hurt, though.
Came here to say this.The body picks up all that vibration, if the board was directly affixed it would transfer MORE rough vibration directly to the components on board.
Can't wait for the kitchen aid drills to come out.
I have one from 1958. still working strong. I took it apart and re-lubed it. it is basically the same on the inside but analog circuitry.
Wuh? KA hasn't made anything with a design like this until a couple of years ago. The old tilt-head mixers don't have that planetary reduction gearing or the giant shaft or anything like it. The other lines of bowl-lift mixers use worm reduction gears in a discrete gear box.
@@paulraphael I was talking about the electronics. mine is a tilt-back and has the attachment connector in the front, it has steel and brass reduction but the speed is governed by a linear rheostat on the right side.... I called the factory for a new wisp head and they said to check a museum...
Wow, that's amazing. I have one from the late 80s, very sturdy, still going strong but I need to get it re-greased.
@@paulraphael Prior to 1986 Hobart owned and manufactured Kitchenaid mixers. They were good products. This is also the top of the line mixer Kitchenaid makes. Their much cheaper AC powered mixers are much cheaper made.
@@AustinMichael Yes, but the designs of the Hobart Kitchenaids were nothing like this. They used a worm gear for reduction, not a planetary. As far as I can tell, this design is new as of a few years ago. It's also unlike any contemporary Hobart commercial mixers.
So I showed my girlfriend this video because she wants one of these mixers and within the first 23 seconds she asked...."is he drunk?". I said "very probably yes."
LOL
Hope so.
well, yeah, he is probably drunk. he is canadjun after all.
@@mmm-mmm He probably cant get enough of the skachewun tater water
It's antifreeze.
I never realised how small your hands were till you picked up that AA battery
haaaahaha
Thats an D Battery isnt it?
OMG Tormund!!!!
My wife's Kitchenaid is 45 years old this year, never repaired! Still runs like new.
Probably no electronics in that one. I opened a 40 year old Sunbeam hand mixer before tossing it, and it had a mechanical flyball governor and AC motor.
snaplash another guy said his was from 58’ and he had it opened, was basically the same but all the circuit is analog. So who knows.
We just bought a new one after 42 years. It’s not has heavy as the old one but it works great.
We bought our base model Hobart/Kitchen Aid mixer shortly after my wife and I were married in 1979. So it is pushing well over 40 years old. We could not afford the "Pro" model in those days. The bowl in the base model can be removed and set on a countertop and it won't tip over and spill, which makes it more convenient. Our unit is so old the DC brush covers are accessible from the outside of the main casting. No disassembly required. Never had to replace the brushes. Our mixer motor used to cog at low speeds when we first used it, but since the brushes have broken in it runs pretty smooth now. Wife used it today to make pizza dough, still works perfectly. One of best appliances we ever purchased. You do a great job of reviewing, so I subscribed.
You don't often do an unboxing, but when you do... it sets standards. They are the best on the web.
jason agreed
Unboxing is an understatement.
That's my wife's favorite kitchen tool. I'm big and fat cause she's a kick-ass cook, the best. I equate all that stuff she buys for kitchen with my tools in the garage. Doesn't matter what you're doing, it always goes better when you got the right tool. I never buck when she wants something for the kitchen, and she doesn't either when it comes time for my tools. She's awesome, god only know's what I did in a past life to deserve a woman like that.
God Bless you both.
Yeah my wife's kitchen gadgets are like my garage tools and her makeup kit is like my fishing tackle.
LOL different situation here. I'm the cook AND the tinker. So I never buck when I want more garage toys, OR kitchen tools. :)
Awww.... Ya big softy
Ya really lucky mate. Treat her well and both of you will go cruising into the ninetees. A great woman in the kitchen is worth more than any PC kook. Something that your ancestors knew well about..
Yeah I'm 2 years too late, but in the off chance you see comments still, I have a Kitchen Aid mixer from the early 70s. Still works, and the design is almost identical to the one in this video. I haven't taken it apart so I don't know what the motor controller is like, but one notable change that's obvious is that the motor brushes are replaceable on the unit I have via a pair of threaded caps in the side of the housing. I've never had to replace them, though. The attachments have the same coating (or at least very similar) and they've been around 40+ years so I think whatever they use is probably fine. The whisk I have uses, I think, aluminum rather than zinc. Anyway, this has been one of my favorite videos of yours.
I'm thinking they kept the tried & true designs of yore (basically the heftiness of the mechanical gearing) and capitalized on a DC motor controlled by a computer/PCB. You should take yours apart someday and compare to what's in this vid (I couldn't resist). They both do the same tasks and obviously the giant AC motor in the older models hasn't negatively affected longevity.
The new ones are not the same, and definitely are not as good either. The old ones have no circuit boards or other electronics in them, they are way more durable.
@@aevangel1 Electronics, when done right, last an incredibly long time
AvE thought the coating would be bad because he had a fundamental misunderstanding of how a stand mixer works: he thought the mixing attachments would contact the steel bowl, which they do not if running properly.
@@WiggyWamWam You are absolutely correct. None of the attachments ever touch the bowl.
wait
AVE is not an older guy in his late 50's with almost no hair?!
hes acualy a bearded brown headed guy?!?!?!?!
I’ve actually thought that myself. I do bet he’s early 40’s to late 30’s
Fifties? Older? Not from my perspective.
And a frickin Canadian to boot
That Beaver-Beater frozen frog peasouper pepper poutine queeb of a snowfrog is barely 30.
I'd guesstimate between 40 and 50, looking at his kids. What is the exchange rate now, 40 Canuckistan years is aboot 36 'murican years?
0:19 a rare climpse of the canadian sasquatch. I was expecting it to be bald with glasses.
I don't think they have sasquatches up there in Canadia. They got samsquanches.
Scott Kuchciak there's alot of species of squatches In North America, but it could very well be either of the two. The common Sasquatch and the Samsquanch are very prodominant in Canukistan, with the North American Yeti living far up north in Eskimo territory
Canadian samsquanches are known to only appear in trailer parks.
I thought he might look like Negan, since he sounds like him and it may be not so far off.
Thought he'd be streaking with some gray, but my son-of-a-diddilly guess work seems to need som choochin'.
At 33:39, you notice the conformal coating is terminated before the end of the board. This isn't to save money, but to expose the test leads (which are visible just below where you're pointing) for testing the board for correct operation prior to encasing it in the product.
Even after two years I still like watching this. My wife has the smaller version and it's more than a decade old. Thing has made several thousand cookies, hundreds snacks and cakes and works today just like it did fresh out the box. Love these videos. Anytime I go to buy something I check to see if you've taken one apart yet.
This man has knowlege way beyond his years. I'm impressed with his ability to articulate his thoughts about engineering details, many aspects of which go unnoticed by most of us. I don't know what his educational and occupational background is, but he probably wouldn't have a difficult time finding a job. Human resources would probably get a kick out of his sense of humor!
so you finally got something the wife would like to keep and you didn't destroy it
thestalkinghead She deserves it, if it keeps Ave in the two car garage longer I'm all for it.
First 45 seconds - the most aggressive unboxing ever?
I loved the intro .👍
goose183 Reminds me of my first time. Rip everything off, and once its out, your all done. Then you spend the next 45 minutes talking about how it was.
For compansatinng because he did not destroy it in the end :P
goose183 you've never seen an idubzzz unboxing
goose183 ...and THAT's why the components need the adhesive/silicon!
After four years this is still my favorite AvE video. Thanks for the laughs and the education, sir!
This is a real tribute to this machine - he didn't destroy anything and treated each part (for the most part) with great respect.
my wife has been wanting one for a long time and i always say "NOT UNTIL AVE SHOWS ME THE INNARDS"
now i'm fucked
haha
The first sentence can be read two ways.
As can the second.
Black friday, man, half off; its the only sane way
Yep i hear ya
Made the mistake of watching this with my wife in the room. She was insulted that you would risk damaging a new one of these. She has been after me to buy her one for years and I guess now I got no excuses.
Yes, last month.
The one my mother has had for 50 years is still going strong after making bread and whatever else for a family of 5 hearty eaters. Yes they are skookum
I was chatting with KitchenAid representative over the phone ..
I shared your video with KitchenAid call center in Tennessee .
These things have enough torque at the business end to pull a priest off a choir boy. Use this puppy to mix meat loaf and it won't bog down. Keepa you hands out of the business end.
that analogy made me spit out soda lol.
get it? anal ogy?
And that's how you get KitchenAids.
Just when you thought you'd heard em all. Tears.
Well fucking played.
In reply to the painted dough hook: I just inspected the one my wife has been using for the last 17 years. She uses the HELL out of it! She sat down and calculated that, just for cinnamon rolls and icing, that thing has accumulated well over 1,000 batches, and on top of that there are the hundreds of batches of cookies, cakes, and pie dough. Total damage consists of 4 small chips off the boss that attaches to the mixer shaft! I'd say that qualifies as durable!
By the way, don't expect the same level of competence on their cheaper line. The one she had before this suffered a gearbox failure because the multi-stage worm gear (yuck!) box partially melted when used for two successive batches of dough. That's a whole different beast!
On the other hand, replacing that nylon internal gear is a snap. Mine failed too while kneading three successive batches of whole wheat bread batter. Local parts shop had one in stock, and let me "borrow" the can of food-grade grease ($40) to pack the small amount I needed (a quarter cup or less) and return the rest for their next customer.
You are being subjected to cinnamon roll abuse!
Two of these were used heavily in my family's catering business, along with much larger mixers, and they both held up to the hard work. If they could survive a year of use in that shop, they'll last 20 years in the average household. I would say time is a bigger threat to the unit than usage. Time likes to kill mechanical devices.
thanks AVE after seeing this video i bought one off ebay for cheep over a year ago working great.
That mix paddle is zinc die cast - keyway is molded in. After 20 years, the failure mode is corrosion under the paint. The egg whisk is unpainted because it's all SS. Loved the look inside!
I would agree that the keyway is cast in, not broached or milled (too time consuming, expensive and unnecessary).
The whisk wires are SS, but the hub is not - clearly it's a zinc alloy (pot metal, if you like).
@@chuckschillingvideos Sorry, the whisk is 100% ss. The ss whisk wires are staked into a ss hub. The machining marks are clearly visible, though perhaps not in the video. If it was zinc, the one I own would have darkened, as Ave points out, over the decades I've owned it, and the whisks would have loosened through electrolytic corrosion. Instead the hub is still just as bright as the ss bowls. (It's also magnetic, as much ss is, and NO zinc.)
@@markfisher7962 Perhaps on yours, but on mine the hub is clearly zinc.
I machined a replacement hub for mine from depleted Uranium. The extra weight give inertia to help it spin stronger.
"stiff as a wedding prick" priceless
One of the items my mother wanted more than anything when my grandmother died was her KitchenAid mixer from the 1950's that still mixes today and to the reason I have a KitchenAid mixer on my kitchen counter.
I know I'm super late to this party, but figured I'd offer some insight (in case anyone was still wondering). The "J-mount" system that KitchenAid uses for attaching mixing heads to the mixer is not a secondary machining process. It is all done during casting. So the square bottomed broach is not a feat of magical machining, but just a simple case of something being in the way when the liquid metal flowed. Same for the hole.
I wish everything was made like this.
Tyler Davis everything used to be made like this. Unfortunately, everything changed with the "i want it cheaper" disposable consumer mentality today, the companies give us what the masses will accept. Cheap crap for the bottom dollar.
Someone hasn't watched every BOLTR video. AvE already disproved the "everything used to be made skookum" myth.
It's the items that masquerade as 'well-made' and with a premium tag which fail quickly which really fleece consumers. I have Villa Ware in mind.
A lot of the reason for the belief that older devices were made better is down to survivor bias. Veritasium has a nice video on it for anyone looking to find out more. For example, just because you've heard of appliances that are still running perfectly 50 years after they were made doesn't mean every appliance made 50 years ago is still running. Most people don't throw working appliances out, so all the ones that aren't still in use have failed.
I remember a show that was on quite a long time ago called "The Secret Life of Machines" where in one episode they were discussing refrigerators. They had a pile of 30 or 40 old refrigerators, and they said on the show that they all worked, and they had all been picked up from the dump. People regularly get rid of appliances when cosmetic bits break, or when 'nicer' appliances come along.
I had a KitchenAid mixer for over 20 years, probably more like 30. Last month I replaced it with one that looks almost exactly like the one you just tore apart. The old one was still working fine but I really wanted that soft start feature so it didn't sling flour all over the damn kitchen. In between the two were plastic gears in the drivetrain and KitchenAid took a lot of grief over that on the internet. So my old one had metal gears and the new one has metal gears. What happened was KitchenAid was owned by Hobart, sold to Whirlpool and Whirlpool tried to cost reduce the mixer and got consumer blowback so they switched back to metal gears after all of the TH-cam videos showing how to replace the cheap plastic gears. By the way I just bought one of these for my sister for a housewarming gift. SKOOKUM!
some years ago i had a similair thing with a kitchenaid blender that had plastic gears and failed miserably. haven't trusted kitchenaid since. especially not for several hundred dollars.
I love it. I will work for liberty.
I've got a 30 odd year old kenwood mixer that still works just fine could do with a good servicing but built like brick shithouse.
"I had a KitchenAid mixer for over 20 years, probably more like 30. Last month I replaced it with one that looks almost exactly like the one you just tore apart. "
Well that's a new take of explaining a divorce. Hope the younger one keep up with the old hound.
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I could listen to a 6 hour podcast of you reading various dish detergent ingredients. Forking top notch enterteasment right here, ladles and germs.
One of the best purchases I've ever made for my wife. She would burn through $100 mixers about every 6 months (was only baking cupcakes as a side job).
Got her this exact model and it has made hundreds of cakes and thousands of dozens of cupcakes...no issues. Expensive? Yes. Well built? Fuck yeah.
The box: "Professional"
Also the box: "FOR HOUSEHOLD USE ONLY"
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Not unusual. Rust-oleum used to have their 'Professional" line of aerosols listed in their consumer catalog, not their industrial catalog. Products sold to real pros don't need the BS hype. Your example is a real beaut.
0h :) ok, so what one is it ??
every kitchen i worked in had a kitchenaid. also a magimix but that's a different story.
Colorado Dept. of Transportation used to use the 600 watt size of tabletop Kitchenaid to mix up test batches of _ASPHALT_, and they lasted for years.
@@tomkehl9632 My NSF model is KSM7990 7Qt with SST tools. A second 8Qt bowl works fine too.
retired baker here, I've beat on these mixers commercially for 50 yrs, you cannot break them. brushes burn out , that's all. The pro version is not necessary, I use the regular white one all day.
jonesgerard The only one I've repaired was worn out on the only part aVe didn't take apart. The gear that the mixing shaft spins in had worn to the point that it'd spin when not under load but would slip with the touch of a finger. This was in a bakery that made dog cookies and the dough was mostly peanut butter, sweet potato, flour, and oats; so pretty thick and dry and required a good bit of torque while using the regular mixing paddle at medium to high speed. I assume this is one reason why the manual has the warning that was mentioned about not mixing bread dough at high speed.
The DC motor is a big step up. Uses as much wattacge as the baby artisan model but outputs more power than my pro 600 AC 575 watt version.
My momma had the white one. Absolutely no trouble. She sells it and buys the one in this video. Piece of garbage. Bowl holder flops, bowl comes loose, you get it. She just uses a hand mixer and the stand mixer sits sadly in it's cabinet
jonesgerard Good to hear.
I bought the Artisan, not the one that thinks it's a Hobart, because you can get more gadgets for it. Like a heated bowl for example.
@@MilesPrower1992 Had a similar experience. We have a 70's Hobart bowl lift model that is still in regular use after just changing brushes and grease. We tried a 6 quart "professional" model and it broke down within months after the same type of use as the Hobart. From the start, the lift mechanism was flimsy and wobbly and the motor did not sound as strong and it's sound worsened as time went on. Soon, something broke in the head and caused a catch and clunk as the beater went around. Then we had to fight KitchenAid to honor the warranty. It's gone but the Hobart is still going along.
I have a 310 watt model I bought about 20 years ago. Still going strong.
Another awesome video! Wife and I received one of these as a wedding gift 19 years ago. It's been used a lot and still runs perfect. After seeing how well its made maybe I'll use it to mix up some thin set mortar when I tile my bathroom floor. Probably will do just fine.
Better clean that bowl quickly and well, or be prepared to replace that part...
@@megatron5040 LOL! I was only joking. The wife would loose it if I pulled that stunt.
I saw the back or maybe even side of his head for a half second!!!! :0
hes a beardo
hes a typical canadian beardo.
John Smith :22 in
A head? You mean the legend might be more than a contraption of two hands, knowledge and swearing?
I know the magic was almost ruined! I figured his head just glowed like the center of a star.
hi. Sorry for my english. I m a poor french. The marks on the casted parts are the manufactured date. You ave the year and the punch are the month. Each sector is a month. if you mold twice in month you can make two punchs.
codecor makes somes dators like this.
Thanks for your creativity.
Thanks
Merci frog
"You AvE the year" hahahaha thats double funny since french don't pronounce the H and hes called AvE
Much better than my French!
My mother has had one for at least 45 years. The implements were panted back then to. We never had any problem with the pant chipping. My mothers bowl was fasten at the bottom with threads on the base of bowl and a stainless plate mounted on the bottom of mixer mixer. In order to remove the bowl, the top of the unit was on a hinge and lift up on a 45 degree. There was was a locking lever on the right side to keep the top of the unit from bouncing around during mixing.
I think your model is labeled professional because the way the bowl attaches. The bowl is probably a thinner gauge of steel and would not be able to handle the torque if it had a threaded base.
The numbers on the casting probably indicates the year of casting. Crossing out the years with holes around the numbers.
I bought one of these for my Mom (as you do) about 15 years ago, and she does a lot of baking and it has never let her down.. She bought the accessories and she couldn't be happier with it. Circuit board has never busted off ( I think adding fasteners on the other side might put stress on the board that could lead to failure unless the fasteners had some sort of cushioning rubber grommet) and the thing just keeps on trucking. I hope the new ones are as good, I'm looking at buying one myself.
We've had one for about 7 years now. The paint on the implements has held up fine for us, no chipping or flaking. If I ever need to replace them I might go for stainless to eliminate the matter altogether.
One of the things that really impressed me was the service. My wife's parents bought ours for us as a refurb. The first one we got crapped out after about 6 months, so we called customer service. As soon as I told them it stopped working they got the ball rolling to ship us a replacement, and to put the old one in the box the new one came in so UPS could pick it up the next day. No hassle, no dickering, easy peasy. The replacement has been trouble free since.
I'm too paranoid about paint chipping into the food. I would just buy the painless steel.
i have one and i have used to to heck and back ,almost. the paint does get a little worn but does not come off, even if dropped
HAha, "just the tip mind you." LMAO!!!
I've owned one of these snot singers for 15yrs. I use it for pizza dough ad cakes. This bugger can handle heavy doughs for long periods without even getting warm. I always wanted to look at the planitary drives but figured it would explode as took it apart, then ya gotta deal with the war depth (ie the witch). So I dialed back my enthusiasm!
Thx for fading the heat!!!
We have one of the smaller models with the flip-up motor assembly. We got it as a wedding gift, and just celebrated our 18th anniversary. It still works great, and we haven't had any problems with wear on the attachments.
I've got some good 1000's of hours on these bastards in restaurant kitchens. I'm not surprised at all by how beefy they are inside.
Point of failure on these is always falling. They take a lot of abuse, and will run forever, but they don't bounce. That nice heavy duty top casting dents just fine when it falls off a counter to a cement floor. People turn them on and walk away, and then 30 seconds later it vibrates right off the counter.
They get run too hard for too long and get super hot - grease starts dripping out of the drive head into the bowl. I've seen that on heavier duty mixers too, though, and the situation can go on for a long time before the manager cares enough to do something. If you've eaten at a restaurant, you've eaten that grease.
Torque is good, but it stalls easily on a few pounds of cold butter that haven't been broken up.
That whisk attachment doesn't last long enough for the lack of paint to matter - the wires break off long before the metal gets nasty.
The paint on the paddle and hook holds up well. You don't normally put anything hard enough to chip the paint in a mixer. That being said, it'll mangle a spoon without bothering the paint much.
The spot welds on the bowl break - tabs and handles pop right off eventually. Not a cheap item to replace, considering.
Lack of bearings is no problem. Things get super loose over time, but I've never seen one grind itself to death. They all fall off the counter eventually, so this doesn't matter.
wonder if the grease is a special food safe variant? lol
Yes it is a food grade grease. Lots of those available.
Most likely the grease is an H1 or H2. As he mentions in the video, the grease could be a calcium sulfonate which are normally formulated as an H1 food grade grease. If the grease were to be a simple lithium or lithium complex grease, there is no way it is food safe. Aluminum complex greases are the most common food grade greases, however, calcium sulfonate are gaining ground. The color of the grease looks very similar to the colors calcium sulfonate greases naturally are. With how well this item was built, I would think they would choose a quality grease for the gear system. A calcium sulfonate will last quite a long time in this application.
Wow, you must have spent some time using these things to have that list of possible failures. How many have you seen break?
(also, what percentage of them would be from falling if you had to guess?)
chrisbinnie Sounds like you could give Kitchen Aid a few design improvement pointers
Stand Mixer: "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!"
AvE: "Very Quiet. Wow!"
Me: "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
You can paint multiple coats with powder coating. Actually sometimes there is primer used. Source: I work in a place where they powdercoat industrial stuff.
They probably didn't paint the whisk attachment because it is going to flex during use and the flexing will probably cause the paint/coating to crack and chip.
Andrew Mackey
it's because in a mixer like this the whisk is going to be used mainly for egg whites. egg whites need the bare metal so the proteins can denature. if you look into in more bare copper is preferred because of the way it reacts with the egg mass, but any will work.
Actually, he was talking about them painting the zinc base of the attachment, not the stainless whips.
Not true according to Herve This. Apparently, the the temperature of the bowl (cold) is more important than the metal. And you shouldn't remove the whisk from the bowl until you're finished.
The manual also specifically says to not put the whisk in the dishwasher.
Dylan Premature withdrawal. Good tip.
As a happily married man for 10yrs I'm very familiar with hand work😂😂😂😂
Jesse Gilson
It sounds like you have a Bedroomaid, not a Kitchenaid.
I hope your better half uses the beater, and not the dough hook.
It could be painful, although that can appeal to some.
It takes hand work for the finish of a real craftsman's job. Yeah.
I've had one for years, used very heavily! No problems with beaters and still looks like new. Great machine!
Dude i love the unpacking, just so delicate
where I work we actually make the gears for various models of kitchen aid mixers. sintered metal gears.
I recognise all the gears shown here. lol
and that's in Canada, way over here in Ontario
Schlutzer damn this thing is an international product from the sounds of it.
which company?
And how can one purchase these gears? Mostly concerned about the durability of that 12 tooth motor pinion gear considering how much it travels compared to, say, the output gears. I'd buy a couple spares if I could.
43:00 obviously manufactured date... one dot per month ... when you run out of years it's time for a new mold/die...
Put a few dabs of silicone on the circuit board and you're good.
Brian Tracy When I worked in tool and die we would dimple it everytime it was serviced. There are way more than 12 punch marks around the numbers. Once the tool is running solid parts they run the tool til is blows then you rebuild it for the processing company. They won't dimple it but maybe once or twice in 2016 and 2017 for PM's or if they crash it. It will have a lot of service in the beginning of its life and at the end of its life as the components in the mold wear in and then slowly wear out in its final years of production
It's 2020 and I've had mine now for 8+ yrs and the powder coated parts are still in great shape. And I can send pictures to prove it. Keep up the great work. I think this is the 5th or 20th time I've watched this video. Still cracks me up.
Question. Could it be that the pcb would vibrate more if fixed firmly to the chassis? Leaving it floating around free might actually reduce vibration.
Yes. Same as rubber motor mounts in your car. Allow some motion.
It would still be preferable to mount it using some sort of flexible or shock absorbing standoffs to just letting it flap aimlessly. A small nit, to be sure, but there are a few things that could have been improved upon.
But, is it really floating as the motor is directly above it and that may be enough "float" protection.
Can you please rip apart a few coffee makers for us? So tired of buying a new maker every single year because they are "engineered to fail"
I really wanna see what you think of them!
Tyler C What kind of coffee maker? My basic ass Mr Coffee is still working fine after 13 years.
Yeah, if you want a coffee maker that lasts just get a cheap Mr coffee with only an on off switch... Anything else is just cheap as hell electronics and will break. The mr coffee is absolutely cheap, but it's just a switch and heater, and those are usually not the parts that break. and Keurigs are overly complicated and too techy for a coffee machine.
Tyler C yeah especially the higher end ones
what are you doing to your coffee maker?? hah
$100 keurig does my wife and I just fine. bought 2 years ago
AvE has a beard. I feel like I saw a glimpse of God.
inthefade I bet he's hot
Was there ever any doubt?
@Gabriel Gontijo So rotting in some hole in the ground dead now some time...
Beard Confirmed.
Great video, as always. We have had a Kitchen Aid with the painted beaters since 1996, the paint holds up great. We have made a lot of cookies and bread. The beaters look like new. The motor is starting to sound like it is struggling though so an inspection is in order.
They determined that keeping the board loose reduces the vibration to board and thus no need for silicon glue to fix caps
I'm no enginner, but that makes sense to me!
That was my thought - decouple the board somewhat from the vibration of the body.
Yeah my same thought was that it's not a good idea to fix a board (or anything else delicate) to a vibrating chassis if it doesn't have to be. I'd probably still have reinforced the caps on the back, though, because they'll still weaken eventually.
Great videos, AvE! If I buy one, the first thing I'm doing is reinforcing those caps with some hot glue. However, I agree that leaving the board supported by those plastic springs is a good thing, to isolate the board from the vibrations of the rest of the machine.
J WolfRaveN it's like the ship in the movie contact
0:20 Careful, you almost blew your cover
I've had my classic model for 40 years ' just love it ! Thanks for the look inside !
In my wildest dreams I never thought I'd watch a video about a damn kitchen mixer until I got onto your channel --dunno if I love you or hate you. Lol
Having worked in aluminum die casting 25 years plus, those dimples are more than likely part of a date code system. G.M. did a similar process on their transmission castings. The casting date was changed once a week, each day a prick punch was added. This aided in the traceability of the manufacturing date, should a problem arise.
Appears it was cast in the 7th month of 2015. That is my assumption anyway.
EXACTLY Thats why I thought it was this model that was made by the transmission casting company. Used to hate the cast stuff it shatters everywhere when your wrecking stuff.
My mom's had the same one for 8 years and it still looks brand new, and works as if she took it out of the box yesterday. These are money well spent.
I really enjoyed this video. KitchenAid is all that has been in our family for 70 years. Mom's original from the fifties that came with a glass bowl is still going. All the kids got one as a wedding gift back in the 70's and 80's, and they get used a ton. Keep up the excellent videos.
I have an older Artisan series mixer which uses a mechanical governor speed control, which is a surprisingly marvelous piece of engineering for such a normal countertop appliance!
Love my Kitchenaid. For sourdough I let it crank on 5 (medium) for 12 min with the dough hook into pretty tough dough. Its never complained or changed its performance in any way and this is after years of steady use... great tool, glad to see it gets the Skookum Stamp of Approval (that should be a AvE trademark)
This man’s play with vocabulary is 👌🏽
I love it.
I’m a full blown TH-cam addict, and I’m like 75% sure that this is my favorite TH-cam Channel
When I worked in the hotel maintenance industry I took one of these mixers apart because the Bake shop managed to break it. One of those bigger front drive gears stripped 3/4 of the way around. I was able to get parts to repair it, but I did take about a month and a half. Anyway, that goes to show that it is actually a consumer grade appliance, NOT professional grade, as the stickers would suggest.
you should do a show on TV, call it "Does it Chooch?"
Perfect. I catch myself saying that all the time now.
In fact, every time I get in my car, right before I turn the key I say "But, will it chooch?"
Great googly moogly a Saturday surprise! 45 minutes!? Oh the wife is gonna be rolling her eyes all day now. Thanks AvE!
Just tell her you're doing research for the Christmas shopping!
Gotta be careful with that one, though; she might hold you to it.
I’m glad that you are doing this review. I just was given one of these from a lady at work. This machine will bring me back to my teen years. Back then I worked in my uncle’s bakery. We had the great granddaddy of this. They had about 8-10 hp motors. Part of my job because my my mechanical prowess was to repair these machines.
I have one of these mixers literally the same model. It doesn't move when it's operating at least not much. As for the beater bars with the paint on them they hold up really good because they don't come in contact with the bull there's an adjustment process if it is touching the bottom of the bowl. The reason you're seeing what you're seeing is they're essentially scaled down version of the commercial products. I've worked out with a stand on the floor KitchenAid that held about 10 gallons of batter. It was pretty impressive. Been a fan of KitchenAid ever since. That goes back to 1973. I highly recommend that product. Their accessories are a little bit pricey and are not as well built as the mixer
I love his word wizardry
i used to work at the factory that made those beaters...i suspect they actually painted them to hide flaws...the dies are extremely worn out and have many problems when they are ran for large quantities.. and they are not drilled once the are solidified they get quenched in a chemical cocktail then loaded into a 2 part press to clean slag and finish the inside.
I've had one of these for 20+ years and still on the original paddle attachment. Paint/coating has held up perfectly to mixing, dishwasher, soaking in the sink, etc. Great mixer, imo.
I’ve had my kitchen aid mixer for 15yrs and mums had hers for 40 yrs and with absolutely no problems. I’ll be my daughters one when comes to it.