Amps & Modelers?! Misha Mansoor on Periphery's Live Setup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2023
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The head riffmaster details how the band incorporates both old-school tube amps and modern digital modelers for a full-spectrum sound.
Our third Rig Rundown with Periphery’s Jake Bowen, Mark Holcomb, and Misha Mansoor-at Nashville’s Marathon Music Works on April 2-caught the band on their final tour stop for a spring run in support of the brand-spankin’-new Periphery V: Djent Is Not a Genre. Our time with the triumvirate of tone reminded us that these fellas never rest their ears. They know gear and how to make it work for them. That’s why each of them has spent extensive time in several R&D collaborations with some of the biggest, most influential companies in guitardom. This time Bowen, Holcomb, and Mansoor all dish on the evolutions of their signature gear and how everything meshes and molds together for the greater, Transformer-like machine that is Periphery. Whether it’s going up to 27 frets, utilizing Alnico 8 magnets, or adding an Evertune bridge to compensate for deeply dropped tunings, this trio of tone hounds will sniff it out. Let’s dig in!
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Obviously ideally every band would want 100% analog gear, a full orchestra and tons of staff but there’s barely anyone who can afford to tour like that anymore, the general audience doesn’t care and most places don’t want loud stage volume making it necessary to work around it.
I guess I’m too old school for modern music. Ive turned down auditions for bands because they wanted me to run direct and use in ears.
If I can’t play loud, I don’t wanna play anymore. I’m ok with that
@@Ottophil I don’t disagree with you but as you obviously already know it’s getting more difficult to play at a decent volume which is a real shame
Misha is a business man first and foremost. He is in this biz to make dollar bills so they actively try to keep costs down.
@@Gramps935that's just untrue. Misha specifically says that they at best break even on most tours, and that music in general is more of a passion project for him.
I don’t think everyone agrees with that. Misha specifically, I doubt he thinks, given enough money, he would rock analog gear.
People in the comments don’t seem to realise pretty much everyone uses laptops for backing tracks, clicks and patch changes
It’s crazy love needs to be live. People co crazy recording songs and add all this Shit that they can’t play live. Over complicating is the norm.
I don’t understand why anyone is upset ever. They are still performing live. They just aren’t doing patch changes manually. Honestly if these types of things upsets you then just stop paying attention to modern artists
@@GearStuffandThings the bass is entirely recorded. The don’t have a bass player….🤷♂️ . It’s called quit being lazy and switch your own shit.
I’m not upset. But it takes away from the unknown factors of the performance and the surprise moments. At least that’s what I feel when I play live with and without backing tracks and clicks. Having said this, I don’t believe one is shit and one is awesome… they’re just two different ways of going about it.
@@aspegiic sounds like a good thing to remove unknown factors as far as potential issues. I do get what you’re saying but it’s just a tired argument at this point. We should all do what works best for us as individuals and stop being weird about it
Thank you for the knowledge Papa Djent
Music technology is just mind blowing these days...awesome to see bands take advantage of it!
Gotta love seeing talented musicians and composers realize the music they've painstakingly composed while being able to afford to tour and perform it for the audiences that want to see them play it live. Awesome to hear how they use technology to achieve that, thanks for putting this interview together! Reading the comments on this one is fascinating, I'm a classical guitarist and even classical musicians aren't this insanely gatekeepy and cringe.
Misha is such a wizard and can express his thoughts so well. Very inspiring!
Everyone angry commenting on this rig are just mad they never had success like these guys in the Music Business bwahahahahahha
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to quote Steve Vai "The AxeFX is a space station..."
its just crazy, he has his own signature amp but dosnt use it. Everything is AXE Effect. He uses his amp for just the power amp section for the flat frecrency to run the AXE Effect.
Yup - it’s the future man. You can A/B it a million times and realize that it’s just worth the functionality and routing instead of buying a bunch of tube amps that cost thousands and thousands.
In my local scene you kinda get clowned on for bringing actual amps & cabs to the show. headrushes are big rn
Oh no the horror a modern day band uses backing tracks for effects and orchestral arrangements instead of hiring more people to play live. Music people are the only people afraid to progress i stg.
*whines about progressing live technology, then proceeds to claim that people who utilize it are stubborn to progression* my man, they're in it to have fun, not please your elitist ass
Look at it this way. Let’s say your 4-5 guys in a band, you write everything, track everything, create everything. You obviously do each guys main instruments first then say the guitar player also plays mandolin and adds a mando track in studio then the other guitar player also plays lapsteel and adds a track of it in studio, the drummer can also play piano and adds a track of it in studio. Maybe the singer adds a line or two of harmonica who knows. Your live shows are all ready not bringing in that much money, do you really think you’ll go out hire another 4-5 musicians on top of your band and be able to afford playing live? There’s no way, you add your added-on instruments to a track play to a click and there you go.
Fucking gold standard live show.
Misha sounds like Jimmy Kimmel
Misha homie please god tell me I can get a “made in USA” black and chrome invective in the future. Lol is that sticker trolling us?!? Is that a special edition or something ??
Idt Peavey makes anything in the US anymore
Just get an american 5150 or 6505
Peavey doesn’t make much if anything in the US anymore. I actually have one of the earliest Peavey Invective 120 heads that is actually assembled in the USA but the more recent ones are assembled in China. As far as a 5150/6505 those Amps are beast to but much more one dimensional. The invective has a way more usable clean tone, flat power section for running amp modelers, on board boost, noise gate, etc. it’s just way more modern. Love the old amps too but the invective is a cut above for a modern metal/progressive player
@@MrBigggsinvective is just a 6505 with a gate and boost. The power amp is the same. And for my 6505+ i found what really helped the clean channel was buying a fender twin reverb and an A/B switch.
As much as I miss the refrigerator racks of the 80s and 90s, I love how the modern day modellers do it all in 2-3 rack units. Nothing makes more sense for a touring band than a modelling rig, all these moaners banging on about tube amps and the like have never had to pay shipping for them around the world, or dealing with their inconsistencies from place to place.
Just about every band plays to a click track nowadays, and it's great. This is a slick, tight, metal show, who the fuck is cut up about no improv? Save that for your shitty little jam nights down the local pub.
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Misha is one of those who sponsors the valve amplifier that he has never once used live...Wow. Great.
Did you watch the video? They use TWO of those amps live.
@@GuitarKid581 Yes but they only use the power section so they are not using the amp but the Axe FX into the power amp. They could have used any amp for this purpose. It's ridiculous.
@@matteomidas638 that's literally still using the amp. They are using the tubes of the amplifier to power and saturate the tone of the modeler. Which essentially makes the modeler an effect pedal.
@@GuitarKid581 Ok but as you know the voice of an amp comes from the preamp section. The power amp section has its own impact in the sound but not like the preamp. So they could use whatever 100 watts amp they want (6l6 ore el34) to achieve the same result as using the Invective. For me this is not using an amp. For the same reason Holcombe uses a Seymour Duncan solid state power amp. And the sound is the same as the other two with minor changes to the overall tone. An amp is an amp. A modeler into a power section of an amp is another thing. But it's not using an entire amp.
This literally doesn't matter. If it sounds good, it is good. Why anyone would critique the use of a power amp vs a preamp and it's affect on anything is so odd.
Guitarists are so myopic and bogged down in their own dive bar gigs it's astounding. I can't think of many other class of musicians this ignorant.
Not kidding, my right shoulder needs surgery from adjusting my Axe Fx so much. Waste of time with all the adjustments, just play
If you're recording it's not a waste at all. Also put the axefx on a desk lol 👌
You sound like countless other guitarists who focus on gear instead of just playing. It's not the gear's fault you lack discipline
Just use Axe Edit dude. I don’t want to be snooty but if you’re leaning down to make changes like that and aren’t using Axe Edit to make changes on a computer at all, then that’s your fault, not the equipment’s.
The laptop is better to be a really stable one. Gig cancelled due to 404 error would not be too funny. Could you explain why the bands have gone to this direction gear wise ?
It starts to feel more or less a con with all the bells and whistles provided by computer program, with the musicians hanging on it for their life rather than playing for the joy.
From the perspective of a recording and performing artist, laptops are a real godsend for efficiency and quality of life. Think of it this way, if you’re using electronic elements that are necessary to fill space and you don’t have someone to play them, then tracks are your only option. For some people, it is literally their only option. Furthermore, it means bands can be as wild with arranging a song as they want and they can still play it live. Also, it means like with the Axe-FX, you can have the computer change your guitar tones for you, meaning no pedal tap dancing. Do you know how annoying it is to try and have stage presence while thinking, “oh man, gotta be ready to switch to my clean tone!” The computer negates that annoyance.
This isn’t to say that no one will cheat and thus mime along to their songs, rather than play them properly. There are artists that do that, and it’s always fun to point and laugh at it. Using tracks as an augmentation to the live performance (I.e. synthesizer stuff, tone changes by MIDI, etc.) however, is not talentless. It’s in aid of the spectacle some of these bands are trying to achieve. In the most ideal world, every band would have the money and capacity to do everything live and analogue, but it’s just unreasonable to expect that out of a band.
(wanted to address this last. A 404 error is an internet error that means a certain URL address couldn’t be found, and has nothing to do with if the gig can/will happen or not. A gig would not be cancelled because the internet doesn’t work. That said, a band did just cancel a show because their laptops were stolen, which brought about a big drama between Ronnie Radke and Sebastian Bach. There’s something to be said for a band not having the flexibility to play a set without tracks, but if you’re running an Axe-FX or some other unit without a pedal board and your tone changes happen on said laptop, then that would derail the show if the laptop got stolen. Just saying.)
@@AlphaStormMusic Thank you for a decent answer ! 404 isn't the exact point here but I stand corrected. But then, does the audience necessarily expect the performance being the same as studioversion ? I am pretty sure, while bands like Nightwish are expected to have a bombastic sound live as well, that the audience would get and accept the differences.
@@onsesejoo2605 Perhaps not, but they do expect the live mix to be as full as the studio one, especially if that's the only version they've heard (whether they notice it or not). For a band like Metallica that's just two guitars, bass, vocals, and drums, then they can get away with just a click track (which they use primarily for timing with pyro fx). In Periphery's case, their studio mixes are so layered that without backing tracks, the live mix wouldn't be as full. There are even a few Periphery songs in which there are interludes that simply couldn't be done with live instruments (I suppose they could for some parts but that would require paying a full orchestra, plus splitting the gig's pay over the orchestra too; essentially it just wouldn't be economically efficient for the band to pay for an orchestra).
If Periphery took out all the backing stuff, then the music wouldn't have the same effect as the recordings do. Sure, the audience may not notice, but it would be a disservice to them to not have those tracks if they were in the songs in the first place.
@@AlphaStormMusic I see and understand your point, but then it is up to the band to arrange the music so that they can perform it live without too many extras, isn't it ? I am aware that bands have used extra backing vocals, perhaps keyboards and overdubbed things in the studio, but their live performances haven't suffered as the band members could e.g provide decent vocal harmonies where needed.
@@onsesejoo2605 Maybe, but that feels to me like an arbitrary restriction. I'm a believer in the saying "restrictions are the gateway to creativity," but an "authentic live show" seems like a pointless creative restriction. But, I want to take a step back here: at a live show that uses laptops, how many people would be able to tell the difference if the band wasn't? Or do me one better, how many people are actually going to even care about the use of laptops? I know there's a certain amount of "well obviously" here given that the people at any given live show are fans of that band, but I bet you that in at least 90% of people you ask, they simply won't care.
Which now brings me around here to the efficiency argument I made in the first place: if the technology exists to make your life as a performer easier, and you can afford it/have it, why would you not use it? Using a piece of technology designed to make your life easier doesn't diminish your end goal as the performer. The only thing it means is that your live show is a more on rails... that's it. Plus if you aren't using lighting or pyro FX, you can always program the next night's setlist before the show, so that way each show can be different from the last. And again, it means you can be creatively untethered for a final product.
Миша очень любит мутить воду про свой сэтап, много рассказывать, рекламить свои педальки, а по факту нюансы и его звучаня показывать не будет.
Clicktracks and laptops... recorded bassist?
This doesn't work for me, brother.
Sounds like somebody’s stuck in the 80s. Click-tracks and laptops are used by literally every band performing live today. Get with the times
@@brooks9184 Haha the times Suck. If you can't play, don't play.
Click tracks are for hiphop.
Go record in a studio setting with that mentality. Doesn't work.
@@AmiliaCaraMia I have and It does work (playing live to recording).
If your musicians can't play live, they are not real musicians.
@@endezeichengrimm So... Hans Zimmer's touring band is comprised of some of the best musicians in the world. The whole show is set to click. Are they not real musicians?
So you have no imagination, all structured and ran thru a laptop, no improvisation. Sounds like something I would never want to see, wow. What happens when the laptop croaks?
Then… get a new laptop? I don’t understand your premise here.
If you mean a during a live show, then any respected band would have backups; they have them for a reason. If something goes wrong, they can pull everything up on a backup laptop.
Also, have you noticed that Metallica’s (as an example) shows have gotten equally as boring as you suggest Periphery’s live shows would be? Click tracks there too. Admittedly for the purposes of keeping time with pyro FX, but click track none the less.
The greatest music of all time is 100% analog. Always will be.
Oh give me a fucking break, grandpa.
Get off TH-cam, there are kids outside running around on your lawn grampa!
@@vwharman why grandpa? With amp the people in front can hear everything and if the sound of the PA suck and can go in front for a better sound. On stage everything is more alive with true amp. The vibrations, the quality of the cab that makes your tone the sensation of the music is there. Its an organic experience and everything sound more fuller, warmer. When i play with bands that use Kemper etc. Its so sterile and you cant stay in front because all you hear its the drum.
Imagine having such a bonehead take 😂
@@drdoom8793hes 100% correct. Hes got a point. But these days everything gets digitized when you record it. Thats why i just play alone. In my basement I’m 100% analog. From my fingers to my ears
At what point did we go from live shows to watching 4 jerk offs play guitar hero on the wii while the album gets played through the pa?
Me: how come music is boring and lame
Misha: the laptop does all the work and we just play the bass players stems from the album through the pa…
Me: so now then? 😂
Sounds like a you problem
Bruh the only thing the laptop is doing for their guitars is making it so they don't need to lug around and step on a bunch of pedals to change tone, they are still playing their parts live like folks have since forever 🤪
@@mike_kitty11 yeah because live shows all start and end at the exact same time every night. Fake af
@@misterknightowlandco Are you familiar with click tracks?
@@Sticky_Tea yes, and using them means you suck and most bands suck
They wonder why shows suck now and have no energy bands are lazy ok rigs and short cut
I saw Periphery on their hail stan tour in Edmonton and I thought they had great energy
You're confusing laziness with efficiency and consistency.
You dinosaurs are delusional if you think their live shows are struggling in any way 😂
I’m sure everyone wants to carry 500 pounds of gear into a venue before playing and then carry it back outside afterwards
No one thinks shows suck now. Bands have more energy and a better visual due to efficient gear and not having to worry about river dancing on their pedal board. Sorry they don’t have to worry bout tube amps and other stuff 😂