Youtubers Made the Smallest, Fastest Impact Wrenches on the Planet, We Test 'Em!
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How goes is Milwaukee's new Gen 4 Impact Driver 2953-20 when you swap a 1/2" anvil into it? Or for an even smaller package, a DeWalt DCF850 for that matter? Are they better than the sum of their parts, can they take on our secret final boss? Find out on today's TTC!
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How do you plan on claiming your royalties when Milwaukee sees these test results and does exactly this from the factory?
I have a Dewalt 1/4 apex unit and got transmission fluid in it, water too and it still works fine, precision transmission had those fuel m18 units and they stopped working as soon as transmission fluid got in them.
@@h8GW Forward them to Man Caver Tools? Haha
Where can I get a dewalt like that 3/8 drive?
Shiiiiiit half inch too
Going to have to split the impacts into two categories now; stock and warranty voided (or extra spicy).
Normal beans
Refried beans
@@thermobollocks Love it!
why doesn't milwaukee just do this off the shelf?
You can technically still keep your warranty if the mod can be reversed. Laws have been put in place where you can cut the stickers to service a tool and companies can’t void coverage.
😂 refried beans omg yes
This new MOD list is going to get a lot of action. This is going to be FUN!
All of these are complete abominations and I am totally here for it.
Me watching my in laws at Thanksgiving
@@elvsrbad2 I don’t even wanna be there for that: I can’t stand my in laws
I made a dcf850 with a 3/8 anvil a few months ago and it rips. Dewalt n646882 anvil. It's the anvil from the dcf902 and slips right in. With power stack it is a great compact tool for automotive tasks.
@@elvsrbad2 That time of the year is coming in two months
Wish it could have the chuck where you could still use a driver bit
I love the disparity between these and the nitro 2 stroke impact. Exploring both ends of the spectrum I love it ❤️
A practical tool for every job :P
@@TorqueTestChannel Let me... just.... add this here, add that to there, swap that...
_"An impractical tool for any job."_
There! Fixed it for ya 🤘😁
As soon as you said there was a mystery tool I knew it must be John’s custom Kobalt. So glad you finally got around to testing it!
I did the mod on the 850, and it is outstanding. 100% worth it
I have a gen 3 Frankenstein I built, I'm a heavy truck technician by trade, a half inch snap on air impact wouldn't remove maxxforce 13 head bolts and the gen 3 Frankenstein blasted all of them out with ease with a xc5.0 battery
I work on smaller diesel stuff and I got the DCF921 1/2” compact. I thought I made a mistake buying such a small compact with a big anvil but it actually gets crusty stuff apart with no sweat and I’m amazed.
@@notsevenfeettall The problem with air tools is the rated specs is with much higher pressure and a thick air line connected directly to a beefy air compressor. In a shop the pressure is usually lower to start and there’s hundreds of feet of tube the air has to travel to get to your tool. By the time it gets to you it’s hot air and doesn’t have that big push behind it so the pressure drops super fast.
@@markm0000 🤔
Sounds like we need to strap an intercooler right where the hose hooks into the ridged wall plumbing! lol
I wonder if a simple U-bend transmission cooler and a couple 12V 120mm or 140mm computer fans would do the trick?
_(in all seriousness, I'm not really suggesting that it'd make a difference heh)_
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
If you actually want decent power out of your air tools add a small air tank on the side of your toolbox as a buffer and use a high flow air line with high flow quick connects for your tools. It will make a massive difference in burst performance. If you do that might as well add a drier and oiler so your tools last longer.
@@markm0000 try a dcf891b
Watching these videos make me think the Gen3 is going to go down in history as one of the best ever tools Milwaukee has made
Thanks fellas! Nice to see guys out there modding these tools and TTC testing them.
Once again great video TTC. Loved seeing that XTR
All you modders, FANTASTIC work!
Thank you for the video, very fun watching!
I modded my older DCF 886 into a 3/8 wrench. It successfully removed proper 80 ft/lb lug nuts and loosened rusty brake fittings.
Same here, I’ve used it so much and it still works. Such an amazing tool
Would love to see this on the 12v models. The latest m12 impact driver, modded with 3/8 anvil swap. We want the smallest tool, made into a wrench
Would like to see it in the m12 but in a 1/4 inch anvil.
Yes! That would be awesome to see how it stacks up against the m12 stubby!
I appreciate how thorough and scientific you are in testing.
I guess it should be no surprise to me that people modify off the shelf impact wrenches since I modify chainsaws and vehicles. But, I never would have thought about doing this.
i have a Ridgid SubCompact 3/8 drive impact. I love it, it does everything i ask. I did an entire engine replacement on an X3 B58 engine with it. Subframe bolts, suspension bolts, flywheel and torque converter bolts, etc. Only thing it obviously couldnt handle were the axle bolts. Been contemplating getting the 1/2 inch version as well
Idk I find myself grabbing that rigid sub compact more often than even my 1/2in big guns and it always impresses me. She's a mean little bugger for the size.
The M12 stubby is just the sweet spot for these compact impact wrenches, I just wish they weren't so wildly overpriced. $199 for a tiny 12 volt impact is bonkers. I could see $149 max.
Milwaukee tax
The tools are bad enough, but the battery prices are what really keep me adopting more battery tools. Buy an air tool once. Oil it and it will last forever. Buy a battery tool and it and it's batteries will eventually die. That being said I have 99% converted to Milwaukee battery ratchets but that's it so far.
@@_Radius_ that's why I like Ridgid, not the strongest, or highest quality, but the Lifetime Warranty sells me, recently had to warranty a drill I purchased in 2017, on the phone I was told where to take the drill, it was a Ridgid authorized service center, I was charged unexpectedly charged $35 as a deposit at the service center (later got back $30, shop kept $5 as a "recycling fee" whatever this means but ok), but when I was on the call with Ridgid, I mentioned how the batteries were becoming weak, dying quicker, etc, the person on the phone immediately ordered 2 new batteries (I LSA'd 2 batteries), and they didn't ask for the old ones back, only told me to recycle them.
These conversions are more powerful and cost less to make 😎
Hi, my 850 is off the hook with performance especially for kitchen cabinets excellent for tight spaces, I have my 921 when I need to drive lag bolts, excellent video as always both tools are great with the swops,
It's so small - she said
But so powerful - he said
Yeah my gen 4 just got a bit twisted in it today at work… when I saw this video my first thought was “this is the future of impact drivers.” They keep making these things more and more powerful and we’re gonna have to either make leaps and bounds in metallurgy or go to something with more beef even just for driving torx deck screws into a trailer like I was today
I definitely think the OEM could learn a lot from these. Love the video's. 👍
Really makes the Dewalt DCF 921 look like the king to me.It beats all of these and only 1/2 inch longer.
This video is gonna be a good leadup to the new Kobalt mid torque conquering that category.
The Kobalt mid-torque is going to conquer compact impact wrenches?
i'll never understand the brand fanboys.
@@TorqueTestChannel No, mid torques.
@@acomingextinction Not really a brand fanboy. I just love seeing the constant oneupmanship.
I think it’s going to tie the Makita impact wrench at best. But it’s not dethroning the dcf891.
Wow and there it is I got to get this done.
This channel is sooo awesome. I just bought the Gen 4 Milwaukee, and was pumping my fist as if my Team just won a Football game, when the Gen 4 came out on top. My Gen 4 is non converted, so it doesn’t even count in this ranking 😅😂😂😂, so makes no sense for me to be hype but I was 😂🤣😂🤣. Great work guys, luv it.
That's a great tool you have. Just picked up the DCF 850 and anvil. Interested in the tiny footprint
This is really fun! Great testing on modded tools.
Between my new makita 40v GDT01 impact driver, and GWT07D 1/2" mid torque impact wrench there's not much I can't do on my vehicles and trucks. I even used the mid torque to bust lugs off my semi truck. 0 problems. Loving the new 40v line. I'm slowly upgrading from 18v . Just ordered the new hammer drill. Can't wait to use it on some concrete work I'm going to be doing at the house.
Bought all the XGT impacts and hammer drill last year, the midtorque is so powerful that i havent needed the 3/4" yet, just slap a 3/4" adapter on the midtorque. Best of all, never need to use freshly charged big heavy batteries, the power is there even when only 1 bar left on the 2.5ah battery. Milwaukee and such is for the Honda crank bolt test guys who never use their powertools productively, Makita is for actual powertool users.
@@pflaffik yeah makita for men, moded milwaki's for boys that ware perfume and wish they were holding mens tools on their youtube channel.
Love the video as usual. You know what's weird though? I have watched every single video of yours and know what would be the best bang for buck wrenches to grab but I bought all Ryobi just because of the way they to the battery like a magazine rather than a slide in haha.
I made one of those and they are light with the small battery and work great.
Great collaboration!
I did the Kobalt XTR 3/8’s conversion 🎉 works pretty well
I appreciate shouting out other tool channels worth checking out, so many are just advertising for companies with more steps.
Love to see you guys finally showing some kobalt love. That 24v line is INSANE
Kobalt is great, more coming up
Dave at man caver tools and Jim at Philly Fixed Killing it with these custom impact Driver Conversions to impact wrenches @Torque Test Channel
im always impress by my mil 2854 3/8 stubby impact bought it to replace my 3/8 snap-on got fed up of the brand and i always find myself trying my 3/8 impact wrench on bolt & nuts i shouldn't. working in the rust belt. make me smile everytime it can unbolt stuff a 3/8 shouldn't be able to! 🤣
like 1500 truck lug nuts of course i only do one just for giggle and making sure its not broken! 😅
Where has this channel been my whole life?? Railway guns, Gas powered Milwaukee impacts, and reviews of things I use every day? Its Project Farm with way more chaos lol
Made both dcf850 and the Milwaukee gen4 in 3/8 and they will both do the same exact job I’m really impressed they both will smoke any factory built Milwaukee or Dewalt.
I did a 3/8 swap on my dcf840 and its pretty solid
I also did a 1/4 square drive anvil on my dcf850 and love it.
3/8 swap using the dcf902 anvil,
And 1/4 inxh swap done with the mac tools mcf801 anvil. N802062 is the part number. Id like to see some 1/4 inch impact wrenches compared. They are great for dash work and engine bay work, and most tool trucks are the only ones that offer any unfortunately
Where did you find the n802062 anvil
@@willparker7864 My local mac tools truck. I asked if he could order the part number. Turns out it is readily available.
I’m interested in doing this dcf850 mod with a 3/8” anvil to have as a wrist and knuckle saver so I don’t have to use a normal ratchet for delicate nuts and bolts. Then when I have to work on something bigger I can use my trusty dcf921 with 1/2” sockets.
@@markm0000 You've probably already done it and know this, but the 850 is good for this too since the speed modes limit reverse speed as well whereas the 921 doesn't
@@benperkins2929 yes sir I did this mod just a few days after posting that original comment. I’ve been using that 850 modded like that for a year now and it’s the first tool I grab every day in the shop. Speed 1 is the same as hand snug, speed 2 is about 30 ft lbs, and speed 3 is super fast RPMs but only does about 70 ft lbs. I couldn’t ask for a more versatile impact and it shaves off so much time on every project. I wish Mac Tools would make it just so I can have a red one lol.
Id be interested seeing how Milwaukees factory 1/4 square anvil impact guns compared to their 1/4 hex counter parts but I’ve only seen them on the website. Like the 2461 vs 2462 or the 2463 since it’s 3/8 already.
I made the 3/8 dcf850 and it is great liked the dcf850 so much I bought 2 and they work really good.
Impressed how small the dcf850 with the 3/8 anvil
I actually made a Gen 3 impact driver in a 3/8 drive. I had to get a little creative with the front bushing but it has so far proven very tough and incredibly spicy. Let me know if you want to test it, seeing as the 3/8 Milwaukees do tend to run better for some reason. Very happy with it.
This would be so awesome 😎
Recently sold my M18 Frankenstein for a great price and picked up this DCF850 with Powestack battery and 3/8" anvil! Can't wait to test soon as the anvil arrives 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Wonder how much better the 3/8ths anvil is on your unit vs the 1/2". With the M18 Frankenstein, the 1/2 is already a beast!!
How's it treating you?
@@mike_t_007 been using it at the shop for a long time now, thing doesn't like impacting the same thing for more than about 8-10 seconds but it still does a very good job and has not quit on me.
Thinking of picking up another Gen 3 or 4 this weekend and would like to do the 3/8th conversion. Which anvil part # did you go with?
Thats for video helps sitting in hospital 👍👍👍👍 plus its a great day my son is probably going to get to come home today after his role over Saturday night and got 3 broken places in his neck one compounded fracture and broken shoulder blade lot of answered prayers that he is walking out of her 🙏
I had ridgid stuff a while back and had seen some conversions to 3/8 and eventually I found the info it was a Milwaukiee anvil and I nu st had to remove a small collar on the inside and it went right in if I recall correctly it was like 5 years ago
Not trying to piss off any Milwaukee users but I love the new DeWalt Atomic impact wrench. So fun and easy to use. I also got the 12 volt line from DeWalt because they are more comfortable to my hands. I also hate the Milwaukee collars. Even though it's fixable under warranty, Milwaukee has became a pain in the ass to get your tools to them.
One I'd like to build is a Dewalt DCF801 with the ¼" square drive anvil from the Mac MCF901. I've seen a few guys do the DCF902 with the MCF901 anvil but never the 3 speed DCF801 as the foundation 🤔
this makes me want to put a 3/8ths onto my milwaukee driver lol I use it exclusively as a mini impact
That Kobalt was a beast!
I've got one I made 2 years ago and I'm still using it as my daily impact and would love to send it to you for review
Cool to see some evidence these modded tools can last.
I think size should count for more in this chart. Going through all the trouble to get something less powerful but this small then deciding you need to save a few bucks and get a few more ft lbs by getting the Kobalt is a bit silly. If I wanted one I'd even consider going with the DeWalt for smaller overall size even with the lower power and higher cost.
I have the dewalt impact and its amazing how small it is I literally fit it and all the bits I need and the XR 5ah battery in a pencil case
Love to see that gen 4 in 3/8
I am a Kobalt fan and user. I am waiting to see the test of the new mid torque wrench. We need to see videos on how to do these mods.
God I love that impact drivers make such spicy wrenches
That 3/8 dew alt is wicked, I haven’t even watched the torque test yet
This is like putting 44” mudder tires on a Toyota Tacoma. Can it be done? Yes!
LS swap, into a Fox body Mustang.
I did almost the same thing with my XTR, except I used the 3/8 anvil
Wow the moded kobalt Xtr is killing the chart
Finally! Lol. I was beginning to wonder about the XTR. 275 ft/lbs. Not too shabby. I know it has no problems on any lugnut I own. But nice to finally see the numbers. I love all of these haha. Would love to see the newer Metabo (Hikoki) WR36DC Wrench. It looks to be similar to the DB in new clothes 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks again man!. Yeah, been trying to find a 36DC bare, everything sold seems to be a kit and we already have multiple of those batteries and chargers.
@@TorqueTestChannel I can understand that. I don't have the wrench, yet lol. But I do have the 36DC Driver. I was sent the kit from MHPT for test/eval. You're welcome to test it
@@J.Wick. We need to buy one as we're going to cut it up in the process of testing and filming
@@TorqueTestChannel ahhh... Yeah. I like mine too much for that 😆. Looking forward to it. And the XDT19.
It would be interesting to see how much torque a drill driver puts out (Forward/Reverse). With people now using them with Ice auger attachments along with several other things they've not been used for previously thanks to the increase in power, I think it would be cool to see.
We've been making prototypes for over a year for a drill dyno, it requires something harder to make than this type of set-up. We're not giving up.
@@TorqueTestChannel if I’m thinking correctly and a drill dyno would need to be similar than a car dyno that sounds like an expensive venture.
@@timblack33 You're correct
@@fabianbohnert120 A dyno brake. Yup!
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you for your hard work, I really believe getting into the drill/driver testing would pay for itself in the expanded audience!
It would be nice if you could test the older DCF887. It also has 3/8" and 1/2" mods. I personally use it with the 1/2" and it's pretty solid.
I've got mine with the ⅜" and it's been like a brand new tool ever since! Love it!
Kobalt has to put those into production NOW!!
I wonder if the gen 4 M18 was converted into a 3/8"s anvil version, if it would have done better?
I would buy one of those stubbies if it ever came to market those would be so handy.
Just get the dewalt 921.
@@djsi38t no
My Ridgid 1/2” subcompact snaps off my 1500 Sierra lug nuts at 140 ft lbs had to have them on and off a lot recently for some fixes been pretty happy with the little guy
I like your testing it's very good but it would be nice to see what kind of efficiency these tools have , is there any way you can monitor the current as well as a voltage while doing your testing I'm a EE electronics engineer if you need help on how to do Let me know
When you tighten fasteners in rapid succession sound becomes the larger issue. I want it tight in 5 taps. I will spend any amount of money to make that happen. My favorite impact of all time is Milwaukee 2654-20. It still works and I still use it in the garage. I ALWAYS have the current best 3/8 battery impact in my 50k snap on tool box at work. I have smoked or sold off many between the 2654 and current. One was yellow. Big mistake. None were snap on. I miss the 2654 at work because of the noise. My 2554 now needs quite a few more Uga-Dugan. I can dial my titanium quiet within 10lbs. I torque critical fasteners thousands of times per month. I have hurt myself many times when the socket came off. Snap on helps for that but if you can’t get a solid grip…. Or when it lets loose and I go flying off the truck it sucks. It hurts for sometimes months. I want a repeatable impact for precisely applying torque. Please please help.
I've been making good use of my Makita LXDT04 converted to 3/8 square drive for coming up on 5 year now.
It doesn't have the massive torque of these new models, but it is great for changing brake pads and the like.
kinda want to do the 3/8 conversion to my driver i would use it alot more
I didn’t know you can race these too.
Always inspired by the guys and gals fabercobbling the coolest shit on TH-cam 👍👍👍 love your vids TTC!
I was hoping we would be seeing the dewalt freak man caver tools built today. Maybe in the future.
This channel is insane!!!! AND I LOVE IT!!!!!😂😂😂😂
Man I’m so going to do the Milwaukee one just because
Would be neet to see Philly Fixed or man caver tools take the Dcf840 and mod them with 3/8 and 1/2 anvils to compare against the Dcf850s @Torque Test Channel
Great, another tool I didn’t know existed but now I have to have it. Also any chance you’ll be testing the new craftsman high torque?
I'd love to see some Hilti tools tested.
I would also like to see weight without battery so we can have power to weight listing. The less weight you would be swinging around as you work, the less fatigue. Can we also get the last gen Bosch Freak on that list as the original concept?
I gotta believe that Milwaukee’s gen 4s are made for their new batteries that they plan on coming out with, whenever that may be
Can't wait to see a modded version of the DCF860
Anxious to see some testing on the new m12 high output 2.5/5.0 batteries! When should we be expecting that video sir?
once we figure out axial flux motors cost at this size this category is going to be insane.
Fascinating
I use a makita dtw 300z on a daily basis up to 6hours a day. It’s a great tool for what I use it for but it’s starting to show wear and tear after 18 months. Always used with 5amp battery. What do you suggest I upgrade to??
Did TTC ever review the DeWalt DCF887? I thought you had, but I'm not seeing it on the spreadsheet. I seem to remember purchasing it because it was the next best offering in the DeWalt line, as the DCF850 wasn't available yet.
i use my driver as a wrench all the time - i bought a Fujiya 512-21-BG to break lugnuts loose on my Altima. otherwise, i use a 1/4" shank to 1/2" hogring if i need to work on brakes or axle nuts. i've been eyeing a mid-torque but i haven't had the need yet. btw, it would be interesting if you can test if welding on a socket to a hex shank to square adaptor would mitigate losses caused by using the adaptor
I was wondering that too for my little old Ryobi 1/4" driver
I wonder how those torque multipliers would hold up with these shootouts.
These tiny impacts look funny with those big batteries. That's why I prefer M12 when applicable. The 2.0 batteries let you get into tight places.
3/8s could also be how much shorter the shaft off the anvil is. Same with Milwaukee... Seems to be way shorter shaft length to socket.
Gotta do this with the flex quick eject. The only 1/4" gun that could prolly beat the m18 frankenstein
I do like the 3/8 dewalt mod, strictly for size, it has enough power for what I'd use it for.
i did that exact mod and used it to change the brakes/wheel bearings on my car. plenty of power for most things, but most importantly it fits where i need it to.
Awesome 👏
How does the dcf850 hybrid compre to the right angle impact wrenches in terms of depth?
I’d like to see the new dewalt dcf900 swapped with a 3/4 anvil from a dcf897 and see what the power increase would be
I made my own gen3 m18 Frankenstein. It was amazing for 1sie 2sie bolts but ended up dieing a hot miserable death tightening down 25-35 7/8-9 bolts at a time to over 200ft/lbs. RIP little choocher. You will be missed. 😢
I want to see this done with the new Hercules hex impact. I love mine, but i keep on breaking the adapters. And this would remove a full inch of length
I wonder how the power numbers on impacts would differ if you permanently attached to socket to the output shaft, i.e. if they were made as one monolithic part. Would it increase power at all, similar to removing adapters and extensions?
Yes it would since there’s a lot of play in sockets. The hammer has to travel more to make up that difference and there’s a power loss. However, having one socket size fused to the impact would make Johnny a sad boy.
Would like to see the dcf 840 although I don't know how long that is but very thin
I’ve been waiting for my local hd to gen the gen 4 driver in as tool only so I could get one. I was gonna swap my gen 3 but guess I’ll do it to the gen 4