Thanks for the vigorous defense of my credentials, Tim- but you played too well in this game! I think this video may come in useful for my appeal to get bumped back to 4.5, lol.
I feel like USTA was way more aggressive in bumping on up players this past year (2017). Like if you had a ridiculous record in your single's season, you got bumped up. I saw way more people bumped up than the previous year; I even saw someone at SF Tennis Bay Club go from 3.5c to 4.5c... didn't think that was possible to jump a whole point!
This just goes to show how much you've improved. Also, depends on your opponent. If allowed to rally I think you're happy to do so. Minh, your opponent yesterday brought it out of you. Made you go for stuff. Would've been a great one to film! Not for usta appeal, though. Haha you were looking like Medvedev out there :)
I can see how he wins a lot of matches at 4.5. Lots of consistency, great top spin, and that slice. Those slices will throw off a lot of baseline players and his style of play is a problem if you don't attack the net, cause you will get tired. Minh's style of play forces errors. In USTA if he was playing a lot of 2nd singles, he would win most matches.
Great match! I'm a USTA coach at the national tennis center in NYC and I gotta say that Minh's forehand drive is about the most extreme grip that I've seen and I deal with lots of unorthodox players all the time :) At first I thought that he was hitting the Gasquet forehand since the shoulder turn is very similar, but then I realized that he's actually making contact with the other side of the racquet (I had to watch it at 0.25x speed) Even more interesting is the fact that he uses the same grip to hit a slice forehand but he just makes contact with the opposite racquet face of his topspin forehand. Jack Sock uses and extreme western grip (index knuckle between Western and continental) but Minh's grip is 100% Continental in reverse :) I'm curious if he was taught that grip by a coach or it developed organically by playing ( I know some ping pong players use that grip for added topspin). One more thing! how do you go around the 30min limit on your Sony a6000? does it ever overheat?
Hi Stefan! Thanks for the comment and feedback. Great to hear from a legit USTA coach :) I'm not sure about the background on Minh's grip, but will definitely ask him. The 30 min limit is a bit annoying, I basically check it every few games and manually stop then restart the video once it gets close. Overheating generally isn't an issue-it's placed at the back of the court where there's usually some shade. It did happen when I was recording at the WTA Bank of the West Classic earlier this year, but that was from being in direct sun and temperatures of mid 80s F
that 30min limit is a great example of bureaucratic crap that's only in place because of some European tariff laws that discriminate between video camcorders and photo cameras. I just don't get it why the big manufacturers like sony and panasonic do it for products sold in the USA. The Panasonic GH4 and GH5 are the only photo/video cameras that don't have that annoying limit but they are a bit bulky. Hopefully, the newer phones coming up, can record 2.7k resolution with no limit and you can hang them on the back fence with a claw tripod (gopros and other action cameras have a crappy video quality in my experience). Keep up the progress!
Lmao I just got bumped back up to 5.0 after the 2019 season (appealed down to 4.5 last year successfully). Once again, I will show this video to the USTA. Wish me luck, Internet!
tennistim congrats man! I went 20-2 over the season, 1 singles loss at sectionals, the other was a dubs loss. Played mostly doubles actually, was pretty surprised to get bumped.
interesting player minh is!! its either a super spinny topspin or a slice, and he disguises well. a human backboard. I think he'll probably get beaten at 5.0 - probably people will hit through his defense. but its amazing he's only lost once in 3 years of 4.5! I guess people can't hit through him consistently enough.
I would say he has the potential to get a stroke that is well disguised, but because of his loooong backswing on his forehand you get time to read him. Also he is setting up for the backhand slice very early. Right now his game is varied but not super well disguised. He has the potential to become a more effective and better player tho. Just my take on it.
tennistim is there Any possibility i can Play against one of you when i come to the USA? Im from europe though. Dont Really know how to compare because of Our different Rating system... In Germany we have LK directly translated sth like power level.worst ist lk 23 and best is 1. im 9 Currently but i have beaten 7 already. I Hope you answer and Sry for Bad english :)
lol, so random. You guys were playing while we were playing on the court on the opposite back fence of the camera. Didn't realize you were filming. Nice hitting. Would love to hit with you or one of you guys if interested, I just started doing usta tournaments again, did 3 past month and half. Haven't been able to get past my nerves. Played in an open this weekend and tried 4.0 previous. lmk!! I am also on tennis buddy app.
6:03 Not the time to slice that backhand. Move your feet and nail that backhand down the line deep into that deuce side corner. Enjoyed watching the video. Had me wondering how I would fare against either of you. I have the ability to hit really good shots but sometimes am riddled with too many errors.
Good game plan. I don't remember you coming to the net as often in previous matches. Smashes/finishing at the net was very good, as well. Great pick up at 5:18. I bet Minh trips up a lot of players with his spins, but it's something a good player should be able to deal with. His footwork looks a little lazy at times, but maybe he commits to hitting a slice/lob so early and so he doesn't feel the need to get his footwork right. My dad always used to tell me: "A slice is a defensive shot; never hit it unless you had to." He's obviously had a lot of success but if he wants to get to the next level he has to start dictating points.
Sea level tennis is so "full stroke". I play at 5,000 ft plus, sometimes 7,000 ft plus. The ball looks the size of golf balls it is so fast. All our strokes are short, stabbing, blocking affairs. Seeing this clip makes me want to move back to humidity, bugs, thunderstorms, curly hair, but big strokes!
How often are you changing the battery during recording? I noticed we use the a6000 and I don’t know how long my fully charged batteries should be lasting when recording
your net game was on fire here! smart strategy to take advantage of the backhand return to come in and taking some pace of the serve to kick it up high to the backhand. Minh has a very unique and tricky game, how do you meet all these great players?
Thanks! I meet a lot of good players through USTA league and tournaments. They're typically pretty accommodating with introducing to other good players, etc. too
Grinders are hard, especially if they're really good. On our club we have a 5.5 grinder who has an even slower speed than Minh. But he just has Every.Single.Ball and eventually he wins by opponents getting tired, mishitting when trying to force the point or he suddenly hits a winner out of nowhere. He does it on purpose though because he can hit his winners more frequently. But he just loves to drive his opponents crazy. And the audience loves it. Nothing more fun than having another 5.5 who could hold his own against even 6's get completely frustrated by moonball after moonball and then from out of nowhere a precise winner.
hey Tim just saw your tennis video on youtube,wondering if i can play with you&Minh one of this day.i play tennis for ten year ,but never know my ntrp rating.i love to play single too.minh la nguoi viet.
you can use these links to get an idea of your NTRP rating: - assets.usta.com/assets/1/USTA_import/USTA/dps/doc_13_7372.pdf - assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/ExperiencedGuidelines_02142011_V2pdf.pdf
There's no doubt that Minh is good but his style, especially his groundstrokes, is very unorthodox and may not seem familiar to most people. Although his stokes are unorthodox, he still makes his shots in and that's what matters tbh.
Hey Tim, love your videos. I’m curious what your gym routine is. I’ve been bulking up from the gym and noticed that it’s impacting my tennis movement negatively. You look like you hit the gym quite often, any particular tips on working out in relation to tennis?
thanks Gino. i lift heavy ~3x a week, do yoga at least once a week, and throw in some circuit training whenever i'm bored. how exactly is your tennis movement getting worse from the gym?
tennistim I feel like my movement has been slower, plus I noticed I cramp more easily these days too. Not sure if it’s entirely coz of bulking up but just noticed these things happening recently. I could go on a couple of hours on the court with no problem before.
All the hate on Minh is kind of completely unneeded. Yes his forehand is wonky, however! His record in his area of competition holds true. Part of the sport is enjoying the game and bettering ourselves so him sticking to what he knows isn't terribly bad. That being said his style heavily relies on pushing at a higher degree of play. I think some more angles and variance in down the line shots would make vast improvements at the 5.0 levels of play! It'd be a far more junkball style over straight pushing, and gives him some winner shots with key placement down the line. There were many many many shots in this high light where with a somewhat fast, well controlled topspin down the line on either side would have won him the point! Love the vids Tim and the variance of people you play with! Good match, great video. Great fun it seemed!
That's pretty good for pretty much an upside down continental forehand. But just imagine if all that power and body exertion was used more efficiently into one of the other grips. You'd have to do less pushing and get more power with less effort. It's fun to watch though :)
Very exciting! Nice, long rallies. The only thing I would add is, go for the down the line shot with your backhand. Nice (slice) backhand, it is great form, but try to hit a bit more topspin and flat shots. Awesome work out
Nice video! I'm thinking about filming my matches to learn from it, but I play in a tent with much worse lighting conditions (sadly it is winter here). What camera and camerastand (this point of view you use seems very good for seeing the strokes) would you advise for me? Thx!
Thx! That indoor court is so much better then the tent I play in, your tennis infrastructure is amazing (public courts, and real building inside courts) :) But I have a camera of this caliber from my brother (he loves the good and compact camera's and luckily I get the older one when he gets a new one) I get a tripod for it.
Yes, Hungary. Tennis is not too popular (but we got to davis cup the world group again, and now we have an atp 250 tournament so maybe it will slowly get better) so not much state money goes into the public side of it, and proper indoor courts would not generate enough income because of the high price (would not generate enough visitors who can pay the market price)if they had to make it only on market financing.
@@tennistim how often do you post? Don't worry about having to explain someone's rating. The real players understand there is a wide range at each level. Just bc someone thinks they can either beat you or lose to you doesn't mean they have to be rated different. That's why I like UTR, I feel it matches players up better. Do you know your UTR? I would assume in the 9 or 10 range.
Ideally once every two weeks or monthly, but I recently moved and am repairing my camera, so haven't posted in a while. Totally agree with what you said on rating. I was UTR 8 for a while but based on some recent results their algorithm bumped me up to 9.
I went frame by frame on his forehand. What the hell, I don't think I have ever seen something like that. He like hits with the back of his forehand if you know what I mean.
Tim is definitely the better player, really nice stroke technique and all around game. Minh has some work to do on his FOREHAND TECHNIQUE, HUGE BACKSWING GETS HIM IN TROUBLE, ESPECIALLY WITH FAST PASE BALLS! BACKHAND ALSO! He should be able to correct his flaws with some instruction and practice. 👍👍👍👏👏👏🎾🎾🎾🎾
Wow Minh's forehand has more movement than Jack Sock's, Tiafoe's, etc. Fun to watch! I can only imagine playing against him it would be so hard to tell if it's going to go down the line or cross court. I would just stare at it wondering how he's doing that lol Good video, some fun opponents you're playing against! I think you're on your way to 5.0 yourself.
@@tennistim I wasn't aware that that was a correct way to hit a forehand? Are you sure, because if you imagine that 99% of people hit on the racquet side of their palm when they grip the racquet, then he hits with the side that is the back of his fist.
@@Floorslap he's just hitting with an extreme western grip. I make contact with my palm facing the ball except for high topspin shots on the forehand side, where I hit like him
message me on here! here's how support.google.com/youtube/answer/57955?hl=en would be great if you can mention generally what part of LA you live in, good times for you to play, etc.
tennistim then put both USTA and tennisrecord. Tennisrecord is actually pretty good bc it rates you based off your opponent's. Tournaments are usually small draws and you play a lot of scrubs in ntpr unless you're playing open
Jugador tan predecible y juego tan aburrido de Minh . Y Tim demoro mucho el partido. Solo tenia q moverlo o atacarlo al forehand y ya tranquilamente le ganaba 6-0 6-0
i imagine roger federer having a feast if he sees his opponent giving him such forehands. he would have taken those balls early and finished the points in one-two punches most of them.
If that guy is a 5.0 I’m Federer
Thanks for the vigorous defense of my credentials, Tim- but you played too well in this game!
I think this video may come in useful for my appeal to get bumped back to 4.5, lol.
I feel like USTA was way more aggressive in bumping on up players this past year (2017). Like if you had a ridiculous record in your single's season, you got bumped up. I saw way more people bumped up than the previous year; I even saw someone at SF Tennis Bay Club go from 3.5c to 4.5c... didn't think that was possible to jump a whole point!
minhluu20 dude you were so tough to deal with that windy day in downtown LA last spring. You're for sure a 4.5 tho haha. Let's play again
This just goes to show how much you've improved. Also, depends on your opponent. If allowed to rally I think you're happy to do so.
Minh, your opponent yesterday brought it out of you. Made you go for stuff. Would've been a great one to film! Not for usta appeal, though. Haha you were looking like Medvedev out there :)
@@formulaicsounds thanks man! I will be reaching out to hit at Poinsettia for sure before I move north!
I can see how he wins a lot of matches at 4.5. Lots of consistency, great top spin, and that slice. Those slices will throw off a lot of baseline players and his style of play is a problem if you don't attack the net, cause you will get tired. Minh's style of play forces errors. In USTA if he was playing a lot of 2nd singles, he would win most matches.
Great match! I'm a USTA coach at the national tennis center in NYC and I gotta say that Minh's forehand drive is about the most extreme grip that I've seen and I deal with lots of unorthodox players all the time :) At first I thought that he was hitting the Gasquet forehand since the shoulder turn is very similar, but then I realized that he's actually making contact with the other side of the racquet (I had to watch it at 0.25x speed) Even more interesting is the fact that he uses the same grip to hit a slice forehand but he just makes contact with the opposite racquet face of his topspin forehand. Jack Sock uses and extreme western grip (index knuckle between Western and continental) but Minh's grip is 100% Continental in reverse :) I'm curious if he was taught that grip by a coach or it developed organically by playing ( I know some ping pong players use that grip for added topspin). One more thing! how do you go around the 30min limit on your Sony a6000? does it ever overheat?
Hi Stefan! Thanks for the comment and feedback. Great to hear from a legit USTA coach :) I'm not sure about the background on Minh's grip, but will definitely ask him. The 30 min limit is a bit annoying, I basically check it every few games and manually stop then restart the video once it gets close. Overheating generally isn't an issue-it's placed at the back of the court where there's usually some shade. It did happen when I was recording at the WTA Bank of the West Classic earlier this year, but that was from being in direct sun and temperatures of mid 80s F
that 30min limit is a great example of bureaucratic crap that's only in place because of some European tariff laws that discriminate between video camcorders and photo cameras. I just don't get it why the big manufacturers like sony and panasonic do it for products sold in the USA. The Panasonic GH4 and GH5 are the only photo/video cameras that don't have that annoying limit but they are a bit bulky. Hopefully, the newer phones coming up, can record 2.7k resolution with no limit and you can hang them on the back fence with a claw tripod (gopros and other action cameras have a crappy video quality in my experience). Keep up the progress!
Do you mean Tim?
Great observation. I didn't even notice the unorthodox grip until you mentioned it and I slowed down the video.
I like that you played your game and didn't get sucked into playing his too much.
Thanks, important to do that vs counter punchers
Lmao I just got bumped back up to 5.0 after the 2019 season (appealed down to 4.5 last year successfully).
Once again, I will show this video to the USTA. Wish me luck, Internet!
Lmao, I got bumped up in year end ratings! How was your record this past year, you must have run train on people to get bumped again haha
tennistim congrats man! I went 20-2 over the season, 1 singles loss at sectionals, the other was a dubs loss. Played mostly doubles actually, was pretty surprised to get bumped.
interesting player minh is!! its either a super spinny topspin or a slice, and he disguises well. a human backboard. I think he'll probably get beaten at 5.0 - probably people will hit through his defense. but its amazing he's only lost once in 3 years of 4.5! I guess people can't hit through him consistently enough.
People should post where they are at ; region of the US.
I would say he has the potential to get a stroke that is well disguised, but because of his loooong backswing on his forehand you get time to read him. Also he is setting up for the backhand slice very early. Right now his game is varied but not super well disguised. He has the potential to become a more effective and better player tho. Just my take on it.
He has an infuriating game
i think 5 is good for him... he’ll get better and start to figure out how to beat these guys
Wow Minh has a good double backhand but clearly he chooses to hit slice as it bothers many players. Smart!
Where in Roger Federer's name are you guys to be playing tennis shirtless outdoors and I'm here freezing playing indoors!
chaostrigger14 beautiful southern California :) where are you at?
tennistim cold and wet Oregon a bit north of you
chaostrigger14 I can’t leave the house I’m so cold lol great game
tennistim is there Any possibility i can Play against one of you when i come to the USA? Im from europe though.
Dont Really know how to compare because of Our different Rating system...
In Germany we have LK directly translated sth like power level.worst ist lk 23 and best is 1. im 9 Currently but i have beaten 7 already.
I Hope you answer and Sry for Bad english :)
lol, so random. You guys were playing while we were playing on the court on the opposite back fence of the camera. Didn't realize you were filming. Nice hitting. Would love to hit with you or one of you guys if interested, I just started doing usta tournaments again, did 3 past month and half. Haven't been able to get past my nerves. Played in an open this weekend and tried 4.0 previous. lmk!! I am also on tennis buddy app.
The fact that you returned well all those slices @ 6:59 says a lot about your footwork and technique
good tennis players! loved watching how you guys play!
Well play you both! That net play was amazing Tim keep it up! Greetings from spain
gracias amigo :)
Minh is a smart player. USTA is about wins - not technique.
Wow, Minh has a crazy looking forehand. Nice playing.
either slices or goes full western...crazy!
His grip looks even more extreme than a western grip to me. Looks closer to a hawaiian grip
The way he moves his arm back or moves his racket back preparing to hit, looks absurd. Crazy indeed.
Badminton grip to me
Gasquet?
never seen such quality points from 4.5s, nice
6:03 Not the time to slice that backhand. Move your feet and nail that backhand down the line deep into that deuce side corner. Enjoyed watching the video. Had me wondering how I would fare against either of you. I have the ability to hit really good shots but sometimes am riddled with too many errors.
I love your wide serve then transition to the net Tim! Very effective. Hope I could serve like you do!
thanks James!
I keep waiting for the other guy's wrist to pop and disconnect from his forearm when he hits forehands =))! That is quite a crazy swing!!!
Good consistent form
Good game plan. I don't remember you coming to the net as often in previous matches. Smashes/finishing at the net was very good, as well. Great pick up at 5:18.
I bet Minh trips up a lot of players with his spins, but it's something a good player should be able to deal with. His footwork looks a little lazy at times, but maybe he commits to hitting a slice/lob so early and so he doesn't feel the need to get his footwork right. My dad always used to tell me: "A slice is a defensive shot; never hit it unless you had to." He's obviously had a lot of success but if he wants to get to the next level he has to start dictating points.
I love watching players doing serve and volley complementing their game
4:50 almost took yourself out
Minh's next generation forehand is making my eyes spin. I cannot grasp that movement.
it's not next gen it's just ... unique
Does Minh use a continental grip for his forehand? Unusually long and high strokes, but if it works it works.
it's western
Sea level tennis is so "full stroke". I play at 5,000 ft plus, sometimes 7,000 ft plus. The ball looks the size of golf balls it is so fast. All our strokes are short, stabbing, blocking affairs.
Seeing this clip makes me want to move back to humidity, bugs, thunderstorms, curly hair, but big strokes!
How to you get matches like this in your local area? And how do you obtain a rating? Do you need to pay to belong to a club or something
very good tennis
How often are you changing the battery during recording? I noticed we use the a6000 and I don’t know how long my fully charged batteries should be lasting when recording
Usually after each set/around 45 min to 1 hr of recording
your net game was on fire here! smart strategy to take advantage of the backhand return to come in and taking some pace of the serve to kick it up high to the backhand. Minh has a very unique and tricky game, how do you meet all these great players?
Thanks! I meet a lot of good players through USTA league and tournaments. They're typically pretty accommodating with introducing to other good players, etc. too
your raquet take back is very unique. have you tried practicing in front of a mirror to work on your strokes?
Lol i thought my forehand was extreme but minh's forehand is crazy. Great vid
Grinders are hard, especially if they're really good. On our club we have a 5.5 grinder who has an even slower speed than Minh. But he just has Every.Single.Ball and eventually he wins by opponents getting tired, mishitting when trying to force the point or he suddenly hits a winner out of nowhere. He does it on purpose though because he can hit his winners more frequently. But he just loves to drive his opponents crazy. And the audience loves it. Nothing more fun than having another 5.5 who could hold his own against even 6's get completely frustrated by moonball after moonball and then from out of nowhere a precise winner.
hey Tim just saw your tennis video on youtube,wondering if i can play with you&Minh one of this day.i play tennis for ten year ,but never know my ntrp rating.i love to play single too.minh la nguoi viet.
you can use these links to get an idea of your NTRP rating:
- assets.usta.com/assets/1/USTA_import/USTA/dps/doc_13_7372.pdf
- assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/ExperiencedGuidelines_02142011_V2pdf.pdf
so can we practice some time.are you around oc.
There's no doubt that Minh is good but his style, especially his groundstrokes, is very unorthodox and may not seem familiar to most people. Although his stokes are unorthodox, he still makes his shots in and that's what matters tbh.
shirted guy (Minh?) was totally outclassed at first, but slowly began to gain his footing.
One of you (the one with shirt) has such elaborate preparation in the forehand.
Hey Tim, love your videos. I’m curious what your gym routine is. I’ve been bulking up from the gym and noticed that it’s impacting my tennis movement negatively.
You look like you hit the gym quite often, any particular tips on working out in relation to tennis?
thanks Gino. i lift heavy ~3x a week, do yoga at least once a week, and throw in some circuit training whenever i'm bored. how exactly is your tennis movement getting worse from the gym?
tennistim I feel like my movement has been slower, plus I noticed I cramp more easily these days too.
Not sure if it’s entirely coz of bulking up but just noticed these things happening recently. I could go on a couple of hours on the court with no problem before.
All the hate on Minh is kind of completely unneeded. Yes his forehand is wonky, however! His record in his area of competition holds true. Part of the sport is enjoying the game and bettering ourselves so him sticking to what he knows isn't terribly bad. That being said his style heavily relies on pushing at a higher degree of play. I think some more angles and variance in down the line shots would make vast improvements at the 5.0 levels of play! It'd be a far more junkball style over straight pushing, and gives him some winner shots with key placement down the line. There were many many many shots in this high light where with a somewhat fast, well controlled topspin down the line on either side would have won him the point!
Love the vids Tim and the variance of people you play with! Good match, great video. Great fun it seemed!
That's pretty good for pretty much an upside down continental forehand.
But just imagine if all that power and body exertion was used more efficiently into one of the other grips. You'd have to do less pushing and get more power with less effort.
It's fun to watch though :)
I think I could watch minh’s forehand all day lol
Very exciting! Nice, long rallies. The only thing I would add is, go for the down the line shot with your backhand. Nice (slice) backhand, it is great form, but try to hit a bit more topspin and flat shots. Awesome work out
Nice video! I'm thinking about filming my matches to learn from it, but I play in a tent with much worse lighting conditions (sadly it is winter here). What camera and camerastand (this point of view you use seems very good for seeing the strokes) would you advise for me? Thx!
I've filmed indoors before and it was ok - th-cam.com/video/xzhAp0SKnVQ/w-d-xo.html my camera and tripod info is in the video details above
Thx! That indoor court is so much better then the tent I play in, your tennis infrastructure is amazing (public courts, and real building inside courts) :)
But I have a camera of this caliber from my brother (he loves the good and compact camera's and luckily I get the older one when he gets a new one) I get a tripod for it.
what country are you in, somewhere in eastern europe?
Yes, Hungary. Tennis is not too popular (but we got to davis cup the world group again, and now we have an atp 250 tournament so maybe it will slowly get better) so not much state money goes into the public side of it, and proper indoor courts would not generate enough income because of the high price (would not generate enough visitors who can pay the market price)if they had to make it only on market financing.
I digged it out, I have a Fujifilm X-E2 laying around. Should be good enough for first try (my photo/video skills are even worse then my tennis :) )
It is not easy to play a grinder. Good strategy that you come in and take away his time. Nice win. What video editing software do you use? Thanks.
thanks william. nothing fancy, just iMovie because i'm lazy :)
Love the videos. I'm rated 5.0 and tough finding similar quality videos. Actually started posting videos myself. Where do you play?
Thanks! This was filmed in Los Angeles but I recently moved to San Francisco
@@tennistim how often do you post?
Don't worry about having to explain someone's rating. The real players understand there is a wide range at each level. Just bc someone thinks they can either beat you or lose to you doesn't mean they have to be rated different. That's why I like UTR, I feel it matches players up better. Do you know your UTR? I would assume in the 9 or 10 range.
Ideally once every two weeks or monthly, but I recently moved and am repairing my camera, so haven't posted in a while. Totally agree with what you said on rating. I was UTR 8 for a while but based on some recent results their algorithm bumped me up to 9.
where was this ?
Mar Vista courts in Los Angeles
Why so much slice?
I thought he hit a Gasquet forehand (continental grip) until I saw it closely. Definitely the most extreme forehand grip I’ve seen
A. Thunder ikr if you pretend his left hand is gone in his two handed backhand, it looks way too similar to gasquet’s one haned backhand
lmao you're right
Minh is a pusher with very unique strokes...
That forehand take back...
Anyone know the trick for having consistent overheads?
Ilham Sjahruddin I wouldn't say I'm super consistent, but footwork and timing are important for me
I would say play badminton and it automatically improves your tennis overheads 😂😂
nice match guys
I went frame by frame on his forehand. What the hell, I don't think I have ever seen something like that. He like hits with the back of his forehand if you know what I mean.
What region are you guys in ?
Sam Snow southern California, Los Angeles
this man doesn't need to learn how to hit a slice, he needs to learn how to hit an everything.
Tricky player Minh is
minh guy lobs everything, what a geek
ChrisG- and backhands could only slice...
Good overhead practice LOL
Tim is definitely the better player, really nice stroke technique and all around game. Minh has some work to do on his FOREHAND TECHNIQUE, HUGE BACKSWING GETS HIM IN TROUBLE, ESPECIALLY WITH FAST PASE BALLS! BACKHAND ALSO! He should be able to correct his flaws with some instruction and practice. 👍👍👍👏👏👏🎾🎾🎾🎾
Wow Minh's forehand has more movement than Jack Sock's, Tiafoe's, etc. Fun to watch! I can only imagine playing against him it would be so hard to tell if it's going to go down the line or cross court. I would just stare at it wondering how he's doing that lol
Good video, some fun opponents you're playing against! I think you're on your way to 5.0 yourself.
James Lin yeah I stopped hitting to his forehand in second set. Hard to attack off his loopy spin. Thanks!
Minh's got that nasty, ineffective, Gasquet forehand... WHY MODEL AFTER THAT?!?!
Minh does not even need a forehand! he can just use his slice backhand!
This court looks like Mar Vista in culver city, lol.
I just realized he's hitting with the wrong side of the racquet on hiis forehand... wth
He's not. It looks like he does on backswing, but if you watch closely, it's corrected at contact
@@tennistim I wasn't aware that that was a correct way to hit a forehand? Are you sure, because if you imagine that 99% of people hit on the racquet side of their palm when they grip the racquet, then he hits with the side that is the back of his fist.
@@Floorslap he's just hitting with an extreme western grip. I make contact with my palm facing the ball except for high topspin shots on the forehand side, where I hit like him
1. Has a very uncomfortable looking forehand. 5:45
2. Prepares so early for the backhand only to slice it 7:01
3. Lobs so often its not even useful.
Car crash or dog squeal at 1:33 ?
slice forehand, slice backhand? rly?
He pisses me off with how much he runs to the net
About to go watch Thor. But "like" First!
we both know you'd rather watch this than the previews
I would like to challenge you to a match. I live in the LA area.
Ahh...he's a pusher, so fun...
Better backswing now.
the other guy has the weirdest forehand ive ever seen
How is this guy a 5.0?
모자쓴 분 그립 물론 잡는건 자유지만 참 오래못칠것같은그립이네요.. 팔어깨에 무리가 많이가는것같은느낌?
Minh loves feeding those short lobs 😂🤣
You're really good man, I'd like to play you. I think we'd have a good match.
you gotta play more in even hotter days!
Who chooses to adapt Gasquets weird, ineffective forehand??
5.0? lol
duy tran LoL that what I said also. These guys are a joke
What are you, an 8.3?
@@john-boy4283 goes to show how little u know about tennis
@@john-boy4283 it doesn't go that high buddy
Oh really? I'm shocked. Guess you've never heard of sarcasm either
mihn used nothing but backspin why
living in Los Angeles
how can I challenge you... Im a USTA 4.5!
message me on here! here's how support.google.com/youtube/answer/57955?hl=en would be great if you can mention generally what part of LA you live in, good times for you to play, etc.
No offense to Min, but Tim's more like 5.0 and Min is more like 4.5.
Jaspion forehand
Dude his forehand makes it impossible to watch this video... why does he do that?????
Minh is losing power on his serve. Balance and not moving forward into the ball, all sideways.
everytime you play someone you should post their tennisrecord.com profile and yours
one issue with tennisrecord.com is that it doesn't pull tournament matches. i don't think it's that great of a representation tbh
tennistim then put both USTA and tennisrecord. Tennisrecord is actually pretty good bc it rates you based off your opponent's. Tournaments are usually small draws and you play a lot of scrubs in ntpr unless you're playing open
You should use UTR rating, way better system!!
Put a net pointaway....those things are weak
La palla va velocissima
play like slow-motion
Minh just doesn't know how to hit a forehand lob...
not bad, i am 5,5 lets play
are you in the LA area? please message me (here's how ->) support.google.com/youtube/answer/57955?hl=en or let me know your email address?
that forehand is so unnecessary. kinda makes you wish that you had an easier way to hit.
Jugador tan predecible y juego tan aburrido de Minh . Y Tim demoro mucho el partido. Solo tenia q moverlo o atacarlo al forehand y ya tranquilamente le ganaba 6-0 6-0
Did you know the words "top spin"?
i imagine roger federer having a feast if he sees his opponent giving him such forehands. he would have taken those balls early and finished the points in one-two punches most of them.
i'm not roger :D
Jeane Naisse these guys are nowhere close to pros.
The shirtless guy is damn hot 👅
He shirtless
maybe.....0.5
is he a contortionist?