I'm on AMD so I don't really care. But I'm watching the whole video. I HAVE to support this channel because this is the only channel that really cares about creators. It looks like people only buy computers to game on them. That's crazy.
@@Rafathegam231 Nothing wrong with it. I'm talking about TH-cam creators. It's like every computer sold is sold with the only purpose of playing games. And yes most gaming computers are great for working. But TH-camrs don't even mention anything that's relevant for other tasks. For example on AMD an x3D version is better for gaming because it gives you more fps or whatever but an X version is better for Blender 3D which is what I need. If TH-camrs only cover the gaming stuff creators won't ever know how to optimize for working.
Eh, I bought the 12600K per this channel's recommendations and Premiere Pro is only using the 4 E cores to render footage because Windows schedules tasks automatically across P and E cores for 12th gen and above, and doesn't think Premiere Pro should be running on P cores. There's no way to fix it through Windows. Long story short, 12600K exported videos SLOWER than my 7600K that I upgraded from, and to fix it, I had to install third-party software that allowed me to disable the E cores for specific programs and turn off CPU parking. Now, Premiere Pro is only running on the 6 P cores, and that sped up exports by around 500% from when I had the E cores running. Had I known about this beforehand, I would have NOT gone with a hybrid chip because now I'm basically running Premiere Pro on 6 cores instead of 10.
This is more like a fresh start for intel than a finished product. I think we'll see what this architecture about when we reach the core 9 485k or the core 9 585k.
I’ve watched many reviews of this cpu over the past 24hrs. Yours is the best explanation yet, clear and concise presentation of the most relevant changes in architecture. Thanks so much. Looking forward to you putting this cpu through the paces. Productivity, not gaming, is most important to me. Cheers.
Finally someone is adult and focusing on creators perspective. I also checked the door because the ding dong bell ring you put into SFX is exactly my door bell.
So being a creator is being adult? I find myself kinda hurt by that lol. But alright, I am a old gamer and I will wait for the 9800X3D no doubt. This whole gen is a lackluster from both AMD and Intel. And for what work I use my PC for I think I wont even feel any difference between a AMD 9800X3D and a Intel 285K to be honest, but I will in games :P
@@laggmonstret ofc not, I'm also playing video games. It was a joke. But when it comes to purchasing CPU, few people talk about choosing based on productivity. So less time exporting = more time to play games
@@mikexirou Yeah I guess I would at least give Intel a shot if all I did was work. But doesn't AMD have good multiscore too on their non-X3D? From my own job history I admit that I always prefered Intel for drivers and compability. Not to mention that x86 is an Intel patent and AMD is using reverse-engineering to compete :D
Arrow Lake was supposed to be manufactured at Intel's own fab, but due to changing plans and issues with their own node and timing to have it ready, they ended up going with TSMC just to ensure they could actually get it out. Originally Arrow Lake should have existed somewhere in between where Raptor Lake and Raptor Refresh came out (both of which were also rushed to fill that gap that early Arrow Lake left behind as it wasn't ready yet back then). This is also partly the reason why 13th/14th gen Raptor have had so many ring bus issues because they simply didn't have the time to properly validate their reliability long-term, as they were in such a rush to fill the gap that the Arrow Lake delay had already caused. It's also a reason why Arrow Lake at the surface doesn't have more outright performance than it does, because originally it was never intended to have more performance than Raptor Lake. Had it come out 1-2 years ago as it was originally planned, Arrow Lake would both be comparable with Zen 4 performance AND efficiency, and most likely having a consistent lead overall, but delays meant they couldn't put it out in time through their own fabs and they ended up eventually going with TSMC to just get it out the door so they can move on to work on its improvements for future generations. All in all a very interesting cpu architecture, and one that was designed for a clear market lead 2 years ago, but alas was delayed so we get it now -with some added current-day relevant features and continued improvements. I'm looking much more forward to not the next iteration, but the one after that. So around 2 years from now, when this new architecture has had time to mature and Intel hopefully have returned to the more normal schedule and roadmap pre-Arrow Lake delays.
I work on Mac, but I still have my i7 4770k for gaming, and I might get the ultra 9 285k too for both (video/photo & gaming), it will be also a massive jump 😅
2:52 Sorry for being pedantic, but 14900k has 24 cores, not 32. So same as Arrow Lake. Multi-threading/SMT is not the same as real cores. Also, AMD has Multi-threading/SMT on all of the cores 9:38.
he also got the memory support wrong 6400MT is only with CUDIMM else its only 5600MT just like Ryzen 9000. they could have tested both with DDR5 6400MT CUDIMM because Crucial released a kit before the launch and both platforms support on their most recent CPU's and Motherboard chipsets CUDIMM's
Looks like a great cpu for content creators. For creators they should ignore the more gaming focused channels and watch this channel and others like it for context creation performance. That 8x timeline playback is game changing.
Quite true. Not that many people care about the productivity performance any more. It's all about gaming now, which I don't care about. I have a 14700k and use it for Blender, Unreal Engine, DaVinci Resolve, etc. I chose it for it's productivity performance and I'm quite happy with it.
I am not a big fan of intel since ryzen 3000 series BUT this time they got my attention as i m a temp sensitive guy who also living in hot country , thats up to 15C cooler catching alot my eyes.
Damn, the less heat sounds great. Since the microcode problems seem ironed out, I was going to buy the 13900kf on Amazon for $500CAD but I guess hold off for the next gen. I like having minimal footprints with my in room workstation, so this seems nice for a quiet itx build.
Hi Lauri, thanks for this video. I am interested in getting into video editing and now trying to decide between Intel and AMD. When you do your Arrow Lake testing, is there any chance you could do a side by side test with an AMD CPU? I'd like to compare Intel's top Arrow Lake CPU with AMD's top Ryzen CPU (paired with same NVIDIA GPU, same motherboard, same cooler, etc). Just wondering if Intel's Xe2 iGPU makes any difference if everything else is the same on both platforms? I'm planning to use DaVinci Resolve. Thanks! Really looking forward to your review!
Intel 14th gen media decoders are better than the 9950X ones. Arrow Lake is a huge upgrade over 14th gen media decoders. Arrow Lake is a no brainer for video editing.
and about IHS it is actually BIGGER - but the contact of the cooler is "smaller" which is not the problem notice the edge, the part that contacts ILM of the motherboard - it is actually wider and bigger that supposes to help and fix the bent issue
You keep saying WE cause deep down in your heart you know your are a hardcore team blue fan...🙃😉 Love your channel man, will be waiting for Core Ultra 9 285k + Asus Proart Z890 - Creator WiFi system build review.
i don't care if it uses less power i just want it to be a CPU that does CPU stuff really really fast .. ie much faster then the CPU that came before it
Do you need the PCIe lanes? If not, go consumer HW. Only a very few programs can utilise the many C/T you find in HEDT CPU's. If you virtualize, a lot of cores is usually a good thing
@@Hansen999As Blender can utilize multiple GPU, seems that having 40+ Pcie lanes would be beneficial. Core count certainly helps with vm implementation. I’m thinking TR and Xeon workstations might still be best for content creation over consumer level CPU’s, however cost prohibitive.
@@julianfiacconi709 Your could consider Epyc CPU's that are frequency optimised. They all have an F in their 4 digit model number. The good thing on going TR, Epyc Xeon is that you don't have to rely on PCIe switching. Plug it in at it just works
about "TSMC" not good for competition this suppose to be only generation based on tsmc next one supposed to be using Intel 14A (which is equivalent of TSMC 1.4nm if we talk just how they would call it)
I'm eager to get one. I'll probably go I5 for getting my feet wet, then upgrade to the last platform supported I7 or I9. I hope the latter will be less power hungry, so maybe it'll be possibile tu use an air cooler on it, since I have a Lian Li tu 105, which is an ITX case. But i doubt about it...
I'm also interested in getting the i5 for a NAS, since efficiency under both load and idle are super important (especially with energy costs here). From what I read, motherboards BIOSs can crank up the CPU power to 250W on the flagship if they want to, but you can get really good performance at 125W still. Let's see what the reviews look like when it's out 👍
@@peterwstacey Oh I'm curious about their ECC platform support: whether it'll be on the consumer chipsets like Z890 and B860 or the pro ones, which I guess were the ones starting with the W. That would be an awesome match for Truenas and ZFS
the best part was the new socket installation. i would love to see the whole video of how to install the new CPU into the motherboard socket. need that info to build my own rig for myself. thanks
are the media engines worth going with this over a 9950x3d (assuming it ends up being a slight uplift from 7950x and avoids the core parking issues of the 7950x3d)?
285K extreme Wattage I saw at 295W. Also the 250W is questionable as the 285K and 265K have different clock speeds. For me this is something for new builds. I'm looking at APO and Battlemage. The new Z890 has direct 5.0 PCI lane to CPU as does X870. This is REBAR on steroids. So simply put 285K and Battlemage dual GPU performance with no restrictions link to CPU. To me Wattage is performance. In Wattage it will look 250-295W (285K) + 250-275W (Battlemage) = 500-570W of combined performance. All this on paper to my view lifts the ARC from Alchemist to Battlemage more than double. We have Xe vs Xe2 that already is 50% gain. Predicted clock speed is 3000mhz if not more from 2400mhz (boost) to give a good lift also. APO another 10-50% predicted on supported games. XeSS XMX on bar with DLSS. This is what I'm waiting to see what will this pairing do? Would I dare to say beating 5080?
Thanks for the great video! I really enjoy you going over the slides and information similar to a video lecture. One feedback I'd like to give is at around timestamp 13:20. It appears that the performance results are normalized around 14900k, so when you are comparing the Ryzen9950x and 285k directly you can't exactly subtract one from the other to get a correct answer. what you can do for instance for Cinebench scores is re-normalize it and compare after. Say r9950x is 102, while 285k is 108 points respectively. Which gives you a rough comparison of 5.8% in favor of Intel. It's obvious this is a super small difference but might actually be significant when % differences are larger. Hoping it doesn't super pedantic and actually helpful!
I wish amd will give more encoders into their own X CPUs and by the way just to make it clear for 3D work, most of the studios are working with a GPU only render engines or XPU render engines which is CPU+GPU accelerated render proccess for maximum resaults so i think it really depends on the workflow and the voltages you are using to maximize performance and resaults
Just grabbed a 9950X on Proart X870E and 64Gb DDR6400. This thing is crazy - it’s hitting 3516 and 23179 in Geekbench with Air cooling and 44K CBR23 MC. I set a 80C thermal limit in BIOS too and it pulls 200-215W at peak. All the creative workloads absolutely fly on this thing and no doubt with the thermal limit off and PBO enabled on water cooling it could go even further. Looking forward to the real world benchmarks of Arrow Lake, as we know from Zen5 launch the manufacturer claims need a pinch of salt.
Lifetime Intel user here, my next CPU will be an AMD. Still running the i5 12600K right now, I was lucky the 14th-gen defect went viral just a few days before I was supposedly upgraded to the 14th-gen. Phew..!!!
Tests are needed to really see who is where the reduced power requirement is a good thing, but let's see how it performs in direct encounters And now a new socket, a new motherboard, a new processor, we had no sponsors and it is not so easy. If I'm going to give more money, I don't want it to be for the name, but for performance
Anything dealing in high efficiency, always ends up leading to higher performance eventually. Just like direct injection ended up making more horsepower in cars.
"Why is it game game game everywhere" So, so, so true! I am trying to find out ANY You-tubers that compares AMD 9 9xxx to Intel i9 19400 and the Core Ultra (7 and 9) and all I can find is gamers that don't even compare CPU's but just talk about gaming. Can't wait for your testing results!!!
I just don't understand why people who don't even have an idea about what intel have accomplished with their new architecture are hating so much on intel for like c'mon some of the things that they have done to their architecture are stuff AMD could never I mean that's probably exaggerated by a lot but still at least give them the credits for what they have done rather than criticizing them on what they missed on and I understand that buying arrow lake wouldn't be the viable option due to the socket being basically dead already but then arrow lake is nothing but a testing platform for intel to improve and develop their next gen cpus' it's kinda like raptor lake-s but better and is just here to fill the time before the 18A process node with RibbonFET(intel brand name for background power delivery) and everything is ready and also we don't know for sure yet but it could be that intel is sandbagging their results so it could create a boom when the arrow lake actually hits the market
I'm not switching yet, although I do like their claims on performance per watt. I primarily use Lightroom Classic and they actually showed they were 4% slower...
Hi, I’ve been following your channel for quite some time and really appreciate the content! I’m looking for advice on building a new PC for both gaming and AI development, specifically for working with LLM models. I also do a lot of development using ReactJS. Currently, I have a decent setup with an Intel i9-9xxx series processor and an AMD Radeon IV GPU. However, the lack of CUDA support is limiting my AI-related work. Additionally, I frequently use Adobe Illustrator, and it tends to lag when working with larger files. My system has 32GB of RAM running at 3600MHz. I’m planning to build a new PC that can handle these tasks better without going overboard on the budget-something that’s efficient, not overkill. I’m mainly confused about which motherboard to choose, and I’m considering upgrading my CPU, memory, and GPU to a near-top-tier setup. Do you have any recommendations? Should I go with AMD or Intel, or would it be worth waiting for Nvidia's new CPUs? I’m not sure which direction to take and would really appreciate any guidance. Thanks so much!
After watching who knows how many channels about the gaming perspective, I thought we, creators are extinct. ...then I found your video. Thanks. Liked and subscribed. I have a three monitor setup a LG OLED 48 inch TV at 4k thru HDMI in the middle, and two vertically rotated HP 27 inch monitors running at 1440x2560 on Displayports (I hand picked these two on the left and right to be exactly the same height when rotated as my main monitor) Video card: I still use an old Asus GTX 970. Planning to upgrade to a Ultra 9 285K (or may decide for Ultra 7 265K) with a 890 MoBo (Asus ProArt ?) + 64 or 128 GB RAM Now I have a i7 7700K with 32GB (will be a massive upgrade) 1. what do you creator guys recommend me as graphics card upgrade, if at all. Does it make sense to invest to a recent video card if I am definitely not a gamer. (though might want to try the new Flight Simulator some time...) 2. Does it make sense to go beyond 64GB RAM ? I occasionally do Video Editing (Premiere)
The 200H series should be out early next year. 200V is for very thin and light laptops. 200H is for more powerful laptops. Think of it as 200V=Base M series, 200H = M series Pro.
All of the informations in these slides are misleading. U see 14900k is running with 5600 mts ram & lunar lake with 6400 mts one. Even ryzen is running with slow ram, that's 14% slower memory. Some of the benchs using intel APO but amd isn't using pbo Some benchs are running at 125w while others running at 250w Read slides carefully
I'm a gamer, I love Intel so much, I'm so dedicated to Intel, and I've always been on Intel, and I've already bought an asus Maximus Apex Z 890 motherboard. and that's why I'm switching to the architecture arrow lake, I'll buy a processor for a new motherboard core ultra 7 265k, And I will enjoy cool gaming in 2K resolution with a 4080 graphics card.
they actually comparing game AND creation on the 7950x is super smart, thats THE AMD cpu for both (talking from experience, I didnt jump on AMD because of all the hassle to make the chip work as intended on windows, but I did my fair share of research including THIS channel! ofc, and thats THE processor to go right now if you are a creator AND game on the side) so yeah... I like where Intel is going
From what i have read/heard, these newer intel processors have NPU. So, it will be quite suitable for AI tasks. People/entities wanting to utilize AI capabilities of these processors would be able to give better review of these. I appreciate your view on this as well.
If you are only a gamer I would recommend the i9 14900k because it’s just a CPU exchange instead of a CPU and motherboard upgrade. I still say wait tell reviews on the 24th though.
Can you do a vid on colour management on windows? Its a mess. Its so hard to tell if a generated profile is actually switched on. With 2 monitors its a nightmare
(Using ChatGPT) Intel's E-core (Efficiency core) and P-core (Performance core) are part of a hybrid architecture in recent CPUs, like Alder Lake. P-cores (Performance cores) High Performance: Ideal for demanding tasks (gaming, content creation). Higher Clock Speeds: Boost performance when needed. More Cache: Larger caches for faster processing. E-cores (Efficiency cores) Energy Efficient: Suited for lighter tasks, balancing power and performance. Lower Power Consumption: Operate at lower speeds, enhancing battery life. Scalability: Handle multiple threads effectively.
omg you re type of person that should just stick to some low end office pc, your a long way from being intelligent enough to make use of such good hardware. Get a cheap i3 12100 and learn.
If one already owns one of the last 2-3 generations, regardless if its AMD or Intel there is not much to see here in terms of work performance, similar to the Zen 5 release. Upgrading from a 13900k or 5950X for creative tasks with a solid 2-2.5x performance boost across the board will only become viable with the future generation. A 32 core Zen6 based AMD CPU or 12P+24E core Nova Lake based Intel CPU will be where i jump ship, maybe even with DDR6 and PCIe6 depending on when those platforms finally arrive. until then my trusty 5950X has to crunch through its tasks.
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I'm on AMD so I don't really care. But I'm watching the whole video. I HAVE to support this channel because this is the only channel that really cares about creators. It looks like people only buy computers to game on them. That's crazy.
Feel bad for those machines......
What's wrong to buy a machine to game on it.
@@Rafathegam231 Nothing wrong with it. I'm talking about TH-cam creators. It's like every computer sold is sold with the only purpose of playing games. And yes most gaming computers are great for working. But TH-camrs don't even mention anything that's relevant for other tasks.
For example on AMD an x3D version is better for gaming because it gives you more fps or whatever but an X version is better for Blender 3D which is what I need. If TH-camrs only cover the gaming stuff creators won't ever know how to optimize for working.
It’s a huge market so you can’t ignore it
Well how much performance do you really need as a creator? Be honest LOL!
Well done on focusing on creators. Not many other channels do it yet there are endless channels who only really concentrate on gaming
Exactly ❤
I second this...
agreed, there should be more use case benchmarks. sciences, simulation, etc. great insight on other programs and what not
yea comparing 360fps to 340fps and that with less fps is called a useless cpu...stupidity on a gamery level
Type “creator laptops” in TH-cam and you’ll see a million of them.
This is the best channel for creators. I knew it since 12600K creative performance video.
Waiting for Core Ultra 200S
Not the most reliable source of info, but for creators its ok.
Eh, I bought the 12600K per this channel's recommendations and Premiere Pro is only using the 4 E cores to render footage because Windows schedules tasks automatically across P and E cores for 12th gen and above, and doesn't think Premiere Pro should be running on P cores. There's no way to fix it through Windows. Long story short, 12600K exported videos SLOWER than my 7600K that I upgraded from, and to fix it, I had to install third-party software that allowed me to disable the E cores for specific programs and turn off CPU parking. Now, Premiere Pro is only running on the 6 P cores, and that sped up exports by around 500% from when I had the E cores running. Had I known about this beforehand, I would have NOT gone with a hybrid chip because now I'm basically running Premiere Pro on 6 cores instead of 10.
This is more like a fresh start for intel than a finished product. I think we'll see what this architecture about when we reach the core 9 485k or the core 9 585k.
I'm currently stuck with my 13700K, not gonna upgrade to anything before changing the whole system to 465K probably..
The system is finished it’s just a brand new architecture focused on efficiency and features.
@@ZackSNetwork Reviews are coming tomorrow, I expect a lot of instability and blue screen issues. We'll see soon ;)
@@alentanorinstabilities are already confirmed by the media 😂😭
@@miles5600 I know😭😭😭😭😭
I’ve watched many reviews of this cpu over the past 24hrs. Yours is the best explanation yet, clear and concise presentation of the most relevant changes in architecture. Thanks so much. Looking forward to you putting this cpu through the paces. Productivity, not gaming, is most important to me. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Finally someone is adult and focusing on creators perspective. I also checked the door because the ding dong bell ring you put into SFX is exactly my door bell.
if i did not noticed your comment i will do that too :D
So being a creator is being adult? I find myself kinda hurt by that lol. But alright, I am a old gamer and I will wait for the 9800X3D no doubt. This whole gen is a lackluster from both AMD and Intel. And for what work I use my PC for I think I wont even feel any difference between a AMD 9800X3D and a Intel 285K to be honest, but I will in games :P
@@laggmonstret ofc not, I'm also playing video games. It was a joke. But when it comes to purchasing CPU, few people talk about choosing based on productivity. So less time exporting = more time to play games
@@mikexirou Yeah I guess I would at least give Intel a shot if all I did was work. But doesn't AMD have good multiscore too on their non-X3D? From my own job history I admit that I always prefered Intel for drivers and compability. Not to mention that x86 is an Intel patent and AMD is using reverse-engineering to compete :D
@@laggmonstret sorry bro, I'm not the one to debate about chips and specs. Could I interest you on a sarcastic comment?
Always LOVE your reviews. Hardcore hardware guy at it's best. AND NO Game fluff. Thanks for another Great One.
Arrow Lake was supposed to be manufactured at Intel's own fab, but due to changing plans and issues with their own node and timing to have it ready, they ended up going with TSMC just to ensure they could actually get it out. Originally Arrow Lake should have existed somewhere in between where Raptor Lake and Raptor Refresh came out (both of which were also rushed to fill that gap that early Arrow Lake left behind as it wasn't ready yet back then).
This is also partly the reason why 13th/14th gen Raptor have had so many ring bus issues because they simply didn't have the time to properly validate their reliability long-term, as they were in such a rush to fill the gap that the Arrow Lake delay had already caused.
It's also a reason why Arrow Lake at the surface doesn't have more outright performance than it does, because originally it was never intended to have more performance than Raptor Lake. Had it come out 1-2 years ago as it was originally planned, Arrow Lake would both be comparable with Zen 4 performance AND efficiency, and most likely having a consistent lead overall, but delays meant they couldn't put it out in time through their own fabs and they ended up eventually going with TSMC to just get it out the door so they can move on to work on its improvements for future generations.
All in all a very interesting cpu architecture, and one that was designed for a clear market lead 2 years ago, but alas was delayed so we get it now -with some added current-day relevant features and continued improvements.
I'm looking much more forward to not the next iteration, but the one after that. So around 2 years from now, when this new architecture has had time to mature and Intel hopefully have returned to the more normal schedule and roadmap pre-Arrow Lake delays.
The naming scheme was confusing for people who have never touched tech, so we fixed it by making it confusing for everyone
yes!
Wow so many "No gamer" comments, you'll be shocked tho how far a high end gaming PC would take you as a content creator aswell ;)
yeah but they have to hate something
someone like me going from 11900k to the ultra 9 285k this will be a massive jump
I work on Mac, but I still have my i7 4770k for gaming, and I might get the ultra 9 285k too for both (video/photo & gaming), it will be also a massive jump 😅
@@JS_Leger😂 11 generator jump
@@JS_Leger11 generation jump*
2:52 Sorry for being pedantic, but 14900k has 24 cores, not 32. So same as Arrow Lake. Multi-threading/SMT is not the same as real cores. Also, AMD has Multi-threading/SMT on all of the cores 9:38.
he meant threads :P
he also got the memory support wrong 6400MT is only with CUDIMM else its only 5600MT just like Ryzen 9000.
they could have tested both with DDR5 6400MT CUDIMM because Crucial released a kit before the launch and both platforms support on their most recent CPU's and Motherboard chipsets CUDIMM's
Looks like a great cpu for content creators. For creators they should ignore the more gaming focused channels and watch this channel and others like it for context creation performance. That 8x timeline playback is game changing.
Quite true. Not that many people care about the productivity performance any more. It's all about gaming now, which I don't care about. I have a 14700k and use it for Blender, Unreal Engine, DaVinci Resolve, etc. I chose it for it's productivity performance and I'm quite happy with it.
I'm here ready for your pc build recommendations with these. It has been a goal of mine and I'm finally able to do it this year. I can't wait!
I am still happy with my 14900k
As long as power consumption doesn't bother you, then ArrowLake is no an upgrade for you.
What a year it is to be disappointed first we got Zen 5% and Intel -2.85% can't wait for Nvidia +50% (MSRP)
MSRP has really nothing to do with market value.
@@jamescarter8311wat
This may be the best CPU overview I have seen. Really great job.
I’m a computer engineer, and all the new tech in these chips is cool asl but the marketing department fumbled the ball with the naming 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
There is going to be 2 types of retention brackets for the new Ultra chips. One of the new brackets is specifically designed for less cpu flex
Saw on other video that they are going to release 2 different clamping solutions on the motherboards. Cant wait to see all the reviews.
I am not a big fan of intel since ryzen 3000 series BUT this time they got my attention as i m a temp sensitive guy who also living in hot country , thats up to 15C cooler catching alot my eyes.
Laughs just before Finland's winter.
But it still runs hotter than amd
@@lordkittenG We have to heat houses anyway most of the year, so warm computers aren't problem.
9th and 10th Gen Intel was superior to Ryzen 3000.
Damn, the less heat sounds great. Since the microcode problems seem ironed out, I was going to buy the 13900kf on Amazon for $500CAD but I guess hold off for the next gen. I like having minimal footprints with my in room workstation, so this seems nice for a quiet itx build.
One thing to note is that the iGP tile is actually the same one that's being used in Meteor Lake-U.
"History shall remember 2025, the greatest cold war between tech giants"🗿
A bit dramatic statement 😂
@@maartenmidden1651 That's most gamers for you, drama queens 👑
@@thetheoryguy5544 what's theory on Aliens👾 and time travel ( just for a manga story )
yea made in one factory :D
Its called the flops wars. Battle to see how can flop the hardest.
Love the videos lately, keep it up.
Glad you like them!
Hi Lauri, thanks for this video. I am interested in getting into video editing and now trying to decide between Intel and AMD. When you do your Arrow Lake testing, is there any chance you could do a side by side test with an AMD CPU? I'd like to compare Intel's top Arrow Lake CPU with AMD's top Ryzen CPU (paired with same NVIDIA GPU, same motherboard, same cooler, etc). Just wondering if Intel's Xe2 iGPU makes any difference if everything else is the same on both platforms? I'm planning to use DaVinci Resolve. Thanks! Really looking forward to your review!
Intel 14th gen media decoders are better than the 9950X ones. Arrow Lake is a huge upgrade over 14th gen media decoders. Arrow Lake is a no brainer for video editing.
Do some 3D rendering pls, I've been on the edge of wanting to upgrade my workstation. Can't wait for the review performance. Cheers
and about IHS
it is actually BIGGER - but the contact of the cooler is "smaller" which is not the problem
notice the edge, the part that contacts ILM of the motherboard - it is actually wider and bigger
that supposes to help and fix the bent issue
About time Intel!
Thank you Lauri.
You keep saying WE cause deep down in your heart you know your are a hardcore team blue fan...🙃😉 Love your channel man, will be waiting for Core Ultra 9 285k + Asus Proart Z890 - Creator WiFi system build review.
You know it is the best channel for creators,the momment this dude called gaming boring :D
i don't care if it uses less power i just want it to be a CPU that does CPU stuff really really fast .. ie much faster then the CPU that came before it
just plainly happy that your using the pz13😊
I'm really waiting for that
I like your take on Gaming Experience :D
Would it be appropriate to build a workstation PC with one of these Intel CPUs? Or would a higher tier CPU, like Xeon or Threadripper, be better?
Do you need the PCIe lanes? If not, go consumer HW.
Only a very few programs can utilise the many C/T you find in HEDT CPU's.
If you virtualize, a lot of cores is usually a good thing
@@Hansen999As Blender can utilize multiple GPU, seems that having 40+ Pcie lanes would be beneficial. Core count certainly helps with vm implementation. I’m thinking TR and Xeon workstations might still be best for content creation over consumer level CPU’s, however cost prohibitive.
@@julianfiacconi709 Your could consider Epyc CPU's that are frequency optimised. They all have an F in their 4 digit model number. The good thing on going TR, Epyc Xeon is that you don't have to rely on PCIe switching. Plug it in at it just works
about "TSMC" not good for competition
this suppose to be only generation based on tsmc
next one supposed to be using Intel 14A (which is equivalent of TSMC 1.4nm if we talk just how they would call it)
"Why is it always games?"! I love that comment.
I'm eager to get one. I'll probably go I5 for getting my feet wet, then upgrade to the last platform supported I7 or I9. I hope the latter will be less power hungry, so maybe it'll be possibile tu use an air cooler on it, since I have a Lian Li tu 105, which is an ITX case. But i doubt about it...
I'm also interested in getting the i5 for a NAS, since efficiency under both load and idle are super important (especially with energy costs here). From what I read, motherboards BIOSs can crank up the CPU power to 250W on the flagship if they want to, but you can get really good performance at 125W still. Let's see what the reviews look like when it's out 👍
@@peterwstacey Oh I'm curious about their ECC platform support: whether it'll be on the consumer chipsets like Z890 and B860 or the pro ones, which I guess were the ones starting with the W. That would be an awesome match for Truenas and ZFS
@ommenerd3793 it won't unfortunately you can already look up the spec page on the site and it says they wong
@@peterwstaceyNo you can directly control the power output of your CPU in the bios.
the best part was the new socket installation. i would love to see the whole video of how to install the new CPU into the motherboard socket. need that info to build my own rig for myself. thanks
Been waiting on the new Intel chip, I guess 265k is gonna be it for me. The 285k is out of my current budget.
Awesome Video Laurie!! Discrete Thunderbolt controllers used externally on Motherboard or PCI-E card externally. ☺
are the media engines worth going with this over a 9950x3d (assuming it ends up being a slight uplift from 7950x and avoids the core parking issues of the 7950x3d)?
Lol yes amd has terrible encoders. They already are even on raptor lake not even fanboying its just something intel is focused on and amd isn't
If you care about that, yes. Intel has vastly superior encoders and decoders.
285K extreme Wattage I saw at 295W. Also the 250W is questionable as the 285K and 265K have different clock speeds.
For me this is something for new builds. I'm looking at APO and Battlemage. The new Z890 has direct 5.0 PCI lane to CPU as does X870. This is REBAR on steroids. So simply put 285K and Battlemage dual GPU performance with no restrictions link to CPU. To me Wattage is performance. In Wattage it will look 250-295W (285K) + 250-275W (Battlemage) = 500-570W of combined performance. All this on paper to my view lifts the ARC from Alchemist to Battlemage more than double. We have Xe vs Xe2 that already is 50% gain. Predicted clock speed is 3000mhz if not more from 2400mhz (boost) to give a good lift also. APO another 10-50% predicted on supported games. XeSS XMX on bar with DLSS.
This is what I'm waiting to see what will this pairing do? Would I dare to say beating 5080?
Thanks for the great video! I really enjoy you going over the slides and information similar to a video lecture. One feedback I'd like to give is at around timestamp 13:20. It appears that the performance results are normalized around 14900k, so when you are comparing the Ryzen9950x and 285k directly you can't exactly subtract one from the other to get a correct answer.
what you can do for instance for Cinebench scores is re-normalize it and compare after. Say r9950x is 102, while 285k is 108 points respectively. Which gives you a rough comparison of 5.8% in favor of Intel. It's obvious this is a super small difference but might actually be significant when % differences are larger. Hoping it doesn't super pedantic and actually helpful!
My next CPU Intel Core Ultra 9 285K upgrading from i7-9700K.
I7-9700K isn't to Ancient, I see that you're Intel user, I agree for you to wait for Arrow-Lake. Hope you have it 🎉
Will u also be upgrading the gpu? I hope you buy a new monitor with it too
@@GoatedDlddy I already have a 4k monitor from asus (PG32UCDP) and i will upgrade my gpu aswell from 3080TI to 5090 next year.
Great work !
I wish amd will give more encoders into their own X CPUs and by the way just to make it clear for 3D work, most of the studios are working with a GPU only render engines or XPU render engines which is CPU+GPU accelerated render proccess for maximum resaults so i think it really depends on the workflow and the voltages you are using to maximize performance and resaults
Tryin to Forget all the Pervious Naming Long Live i9
Non Game perspective for me as well. CAD and FEA is what I'm interested in. Looks like +6% for single core performance (CAD) over 14K.
Just grabbed a 9950X on Proart X870E and 64Gb DDR6400. This thing is crazy - it’s hitting 3516 and 23179 in Geekbench with Air cooling and 44K CBR23 MC. I set a 80C thermal limit in BIOS too and it pulls 200-215W at peak. All the creative workloads absolutely fly on this thing and no doubt with the thermal limit off and PBO enabled on water cooling it could go even further. Looking forward to the real world benchmarks of Arrow Lake, as we know from Zen5 launch the manufacturer claims need a pinch of salt.
Lifetime Intel user here, my next CPU will be an AMD. Still running the i5 12600K right now, I was lucky the 14th-gen defect went viral just a few days before I was supposedly upgraded to the 14th-gen. Phew..!!!
5:48 18:37 XAVC is AVC (H.264), XAVC H is HEVC (H.265)
So it means, I have to buy new motherboard? Damn it, I'm still rockin' on my B660-I.
so is intel core ultra the 15th gen of intel i- gen processors or its a completely new line and the 15th gen will be released later on ?
nope, this is the 15th Gen, but a start of a new architecture they've changed the naming to be more correlated with the mobile CPUs :)
You using the word, we sounds natural to me. Considering Intel being most prominent on your channel.
Looks like I’ll be waiting on the 16th gen.
I think I might wait for the 18th since it'll be a new architecture. The17thh gen will probably be 8% faster.
Tests are needed to really see who is where
the reduced power requirement is a good thing, but let's see how it performs in direct encounters
And now a new socket, a new motherboard, a new processor, we had no sponsors and it is not so easy.
If I'm going to give more money, I don't want it to be for the name, but for performance
How will this architecture apply to lower heat and wattage on laptops? Will the reduced power add more power to mobile RTX 5090 cards?
Anything dealing in high efficiency, always ends up leading to higher performance eventually. Just like direct injection ended up making more horsepower in cars.
One thing is clear from this generation , that the previous generation was pushed too hard ,that's why the upliftment in performance is not that good
Duh lol
"Why is it game game game everywhere" So, so, so true!
I am trying to find out ANY You-tubers that compares AMD 9 9xxx to Intel i9 19400 and the Core Ultra (7 and 9) and all I can find is gamers that don't even compare CPU's but just talk about gaming. Can't wait for your testing results!!!
Ill be interested to see if this generation can live past its warranty. My 13700k died after 8 months Im on AMD now.
I really like the way you explain this. Good job.
I just don't understand why people who don't even have an idea about what intel have accomplished with their new architecture are hating so much on intel for like c'mon some of the things that they have done to their architecture are stuff AMD could never I mean that's probably exaggerated by a lot but still at least give them the credits for what they have done rather than criticizing them on what they missed on and I understand that buying arrow lake wouldn't be the viable option due to the socket being basically dead already but then arrow lake is nothing but a testing platform for intel to improve and develop their next gen cpus' it's kinda like raptor lake-s but better and is just here to fill the time before the 18A process node with RibbonFET(intel brand name for background power delivery) and everything is ready and also we don't know for sure yet but it could be that intel is sandbagging their results so it could create a boom when the arrow lake actually hits the market
I'm not switching yet, although I do like their claims on performance per watt. I primarily use Lightroom Classic and they actually showed they were 4% slower...
Which Tablet are you using to annotate i want one. looks clean.
Thank you somebody emphasised on productivity rather than gaming
When does the embargo lift?
24 oct
I'm waiting for rtx 5000 series for 3D
Good information.
The ILM is a reduced load one, so probably the contact frames arn't needed this time round
4:45 Doesn't more distance apart create more latency though?
the only channel that is creative centric, such a rarity. thank you for not being another youtuber that talks only about gaming.
I believe TSMC manufactured the compute tile and Intel made and packaged the SOC.
nope tsmc n3b for the cores, n5p for the gpu and n6 for everything else for the tiles. Intel just makes the fabric
Hi,
I’ve been following your channel for quite some time and really appreciate the content!
I’m looking for advice on building a new PC for both gaming and AI development, specifically for working with LLM models. I also do a lot of development using ReactJS.
Currently, I have a decent setup with an Intel i9-9xxx series processor and an AMD Radeon IV GPU. However, the lack of CUDA support is limiting my AI-related work. Additionally, I frequently use Adobe Illustrator, and it tends to lag when working with larger files. My system has 32GB of RAM running at 3600MHz.
I’m planning to build a new PC that can handle these tasks better without going overboard on the budget-something that’s efficient, not overkill. I’m mainly confused about which motherboard to choose, and I’m considering upgrading my CPU, memory, and GPU to a near-top-tier setup.
Do you have any recommendations? Should I go with AMD or Intel, or would it be worth waiting for Nvidia's new CPUs? I’m not sure which direction to take and would really appreciate any guidance.
Thanks so much!
After watching who knows how many channels about the gaming perspective, I thought we, creators are extinct. ...then I found your video. Thanks. Liked and subscribed.
I have a three monitor setup a LG OLED 48 inch TV at 4k thru HDMI in the middle, and two vertically rotated HP 27 inch monitors running at 1440x2560 on Displayports (I hand picked these two on the left and right to be exactly the same height when rotated as my main monitor) Video card: I still use an old Asus GTX 970.
Planning to upgrade to a Ultra 9 285K (or may decide for Ultra 7 265K) with a 890 MoBo (Asus ProArt ?) + 64 or 128 GB RAM Now I have a i7 7700K with 32GB (will be a massive upgrade)
1. what do you creator guys recommend me as graphics card upgrade, if at all. Does it make sense to invest to a recent video card if I am definitely not a gamer. (though might want to try the new Flight Simulator some time...)
2. Does it make sense to go beyond 64GB RAM ? I occasionally do Video Editing (Premiere)
Can I use my old intel cooler on arrowlake? like d15 or dark rock pro 4
yes
but i want 16 inch 4k screens to become norm on laptops.
Curious for any knowable persons out there. Is there a timeline for when laptops with Ultra 285k's could be released?
Doubtful they will make any since lunar lake is the mobile version of arrow lake
@@VoldoronGaming bummer.. looks like 14th or 13th gen still only option for creators in laptops
hes wrong theyve already said 2025 q1 and there's a whole line up. lunar lake is specifically for ultrabooks and that's it @victorgama3d496
The 200H series should be out early next year. 200V is for very thin and light laptops. 200H is for more powerful laptops. Think of it as 200V=Base M series, 200H = M series Pro.
@@ryanspencer6778 thanks for this! I might wait to purchase then
All of the informations in these slides are misleading.
U see 14900k is running with 5600 mts ram & lunar lake with 6400 mts one. Even ryzen is running with slow ram, that's 14% slower memory.
Some of the benchs using intel APO but amd isn't using pbo
Some benchs are running at 125w while others running at 250w
Read slides carefully
No hyper threading is a no go for me and bad for gaming.
I'm a gamer, I love Intel so much, I'm so dedicated to Intel, and I've always been on Intel, and I've already bought an asus Maximus Apex Z 890 motherboard. and that's why I'm switching to the architecture arrow lake, I'll buy a processor for a new motherboard core ultra 7 265k, And I will enjoy cool gaming in 2K resolution with a 4080 graphics card.
they actually comparing game AND creation on the 7950x is super smart, thats THE AMD cpu for both (talking from experience, I didnt jump on AMD because of all the hassle to make the chip work as intended on windows, but I did my fair share of research including THIS channel! ofc, and thats THE processor to go right now if you are a creator AND game on the side) so yeah... I like where Intel is going
So what ram would you recommend us actually, the T-creat ones ?
26:23 what is the name of the thing used to measure the processors?
Vernier Calliper
@@Tom-bp6no thank you mate
From what i have read/heard, these newer intel processors have NPU. So, it will be quite suitable for AI tasks.
People/entities wanting to utilize AI capabilities of these processors would be able to give better review of these.
I appreciate your view on this as well.
Don't have enough tops to be copilot compatible.
@@gustavocarbonaro2663 i normally see people/companies using nvidia's T4 for AI work.
So as a gamer, should I go with the Ultra 9, or the i9 14900k?? I currently have an i9 12900k and looking to upgrade.
If you are only a gamer I would recommend the i9 14900k because it’s just a CPU exchange instead of a CPU and motherboard upgrade. I still say wait tell reviews on the 24th though.
omg the white mobo i love it
Should I upgrade my i9 7600k 😅?
Can you do a vid on colour management on windows? Its a mess. Its so hard to tell if a generated profile is actually switched on. With 2 monitors its a nightmare
What's thee official memory bandwidth.?
What is this E-core and P-core thing? Sounds a little confusing to me. Why differentiate cores now, and why assign 2 and 1 threads to them?
(Using ChatGPT) Intel's E-core (Efficiency core) and P-core (Performance core) are part of a hybrid architecture in recent CPUs, like Alder Lake.
P-cores (Performance cores)
High Performance: Ideal for demanding tasks (gaming, content creation).
Higher Clock Speeds: Boost performance when needed.
More Cache: Larger caches for faster processing.
E-cores (Efficiency cores)
Energy Efficient: Suited for lighter tasks, balancing power and performance.
Lower Power Consumption: Operate at lower speeds, enhancing battery life.
Scalability: Handle multiple threads effectively.
omg you re type of person that should just stick to some low end office pc, your a long way from being intelligent enough to make use of such good hardware. Get a cheap i3 12100 and learn.
@@PKperformanceEU WTF dude? The guy just asked about E-cores and P-cores. What's your problem?
@@PKperformanceEU Or maybe I would go for AMD chips. 😐
@@Prinz-Eugen-1946 Wow, Thanks a lot for being helpful and friendly.
If one already owns one of the last 2-3 generations, regardless if its AMD or Intel there is not much to see here in terms of work performance, similar to the Zen 5 release. Upgrading from a 13900k or 5950X for creative tasks with a solid 2-2.5x performance boost across the board will only become viable with the future generation. A 32 core Zen6 based AMD CPU or 12P+24E core Nova Lake based Intel CPU will be where i jump ship, maybe even with DDR6 and PCIe6 depending on when those platforms finally arrive. until then my trusty 5950X has to crunch through its tasks.
15:10 I love how he just skip through all that gaming crap and went straight to the next section.
Do you think last gen contact frame is going to be compatible with 15nth gen?
Nope. The dimensions have changed
Nope the dimensions have changed. A new contract frame is needed
Pls Bild full pc❤
I will gonna still call it i9 15900k
Intel is just using Isekai anime nomenclature now.
6:04 did you mean H.265 10-Bit 422?
That’s Canon’s 4K and the iPhones 4K…. Not H.264