Well, ring-magic isn't explained in a lot of detail in the movie trilogy. In my head canon Peter chose the finger ring thing as a tool for "show don't tell", so the audience understands the connection between Sauron and the One Ring from the moment of the prolog. Also, people calling Isildur names often don't understand that this behavior was literally put into the Ring's "source code". It was Sauron’s measure to ensure its indestructibility, especially when he isn't in control at that moment time. And it did work on Isildur. It also worked on Frodo, but only after months, not just a few hours. Gandalf's understanding that Sauron hadn't thought about Hobbits (as they didn't exist then, cough) when he wrote his magic "source code" was what tipped the scales.
Yea you should have left that in the video. In my opinion, the book version of Isildur taking posession of the ring actually makes more sense, since in that Sauron is already beaten and dying, so its just a matter of getting there and hacking his ring bearing finger off without much of a resistance. I agree with @PiscatorLager , the movie ring thing is probably meant as a tool of "showing instead of telling"
Sauron never knows (nor does he care) what's the name of the hobbit carrying the ring. He just knows that _a hobbit_ is carrying it. So when Pippin looks into the Palantir he automatically assumes that's the ringbearer - and when Aragorn looks into it he believes that now HE has the ring. When his army is defeated in the Pelennor fields he naturally assumes that happened because Aragorn used the power of the ring, and when Aragorn marches the remainder of the armies of Gondor and Rohan Sauron thinks he has gone mad with power thanks to the ring. When he learns Frodo has been captured and a Powerful elf warrior (which is what the orcs thought Sam was because he was carrying and empowered by the ring) had freed him he assumed they were spies with no direct connection to the ring, which is why he doesn't think twice about it or put any defences to Mount Doom. The fact is that Sauron never even considered the possibility that someone might want to destroy the ring instead of using it. He wants nothing but total domination over the world so naturally he believes everyone else wants the same, and hence nobody would turn down the chance of mastering the ring. He only realised what was actually going on once Frodo put on the ring at Mount Doom In a way he was right, since nobody living on Middle Earth would have been able to willingly destrly the ring, once they got to the place where it could be destroyed anyone weaker than Sauron at his peak would have fallen to the temptation. The only way it could happen was by accident (or divine intervention)
he's pretty mentally limited - total lack of introspection or self-awareness and a one track mind - pretty disappointing considering he's an immortal being only a rank lower than the Valar themselves
Hobbits. Not gnomes. Gnomes have this strange quirk where they can live longer with instense stress. One gnome from Pathfinder: Wrath of the Rightious has an ending like that. He gains longer life because he's so worried about the player making chaos. How do beat an enemy that gets stronger the more they're under pressure?
In fairness, Sauron's entire life is a rolling calamity. Becomes lieutenant to Morgoth. Sees the Valar coming to shit-mix his boss and he GTFO of dodge before he gets some. Captures Beren and Finrod, but gets woozy when he attacks Luthien, and Huan pins him by the throat. Luthien takes the piss for a bit threatening to relieve him of his current physical form which by this point is quite powerful, and Sauron spills the beans before being let go. Morgoth gets battered by his betters, so Sauron begs for clemency from the Valar. Gets forgiven, but like a little bitch can't face the shame of returning to the Valar's side. Flees to Middle-Earth. Takes the mantle of dark lord. Hatches a master plan to corrupt the free peoples with rings. The moment he puts the One on, the Elves call him on his bullshit and he has to go to Eregion to get the other rings of power personally, muttering to himself about the fallibility of his plans. He gets the Seven, gets the Nine, but the Three he really wanted are already gone. Hands out the rings and has some success with the Nine, but the dwarves are too strong to be fully affected, so his plan by this point is perhaps 30% effective. Decides to push his luck after Eregion and take Lindon, but the Numenoreans turn up and send him packing back to Mordor after massacring his army. Once back home, gets cocky again, so the Numenoreans come back to spank him and he straight up surrenders, recognising that they'll hand him his own arse if he fights. Gets taken to Numenor and tries to get them to attack the Valar. God directly intervenes with a "nope" admin-command and deletes Numenor, drowning Sauron and forcing him to go home shapeless. This resulted in the loss of his pretty face, and he looked like an angry hobo ever since. Builds his body back but is still under-strength when he decides to prematurely attack Arnor and Gondor. The Last Alliance of Ass-Kicking Chads turn up to bully him some more. For lulz one of them cuts his ring finger off and steals his Ring that he spent so much time building his failed master plan around. Spends a long time hiding and sulking in spirit-form crying about the unfairness of it all. Decides to take shape in Dol Guldur and just hang out and chill, considering his life. The White Council turn up with an eviction notice and sends him packing. Hobos his way back to Mordor. Gets his shape back, and again gets cocky. Attacks Gondor and things seem to be going well, until he realises he was paying attention to the wrong guys all along. Hobbits turn up and violate his Ring, and for the last time, he's sent packing, but this time into the Void as a shapeless being unable to effect change or gain his strength ever again. His is not really a tale of consistent success. Everyone's had a piece of this guy over the years.
@@Nomsynho At least the book version can occasionally get things done. He constantly underestimates his opponents (which you'd think he'd learn from) but at least he isn't a complete b!tch who pines for a mortal woman, and can be easily deceived and defeated by his own warriors.
I really don't know what's worse tbh knowing he got his ass beat by 3 people when he has an all powerful ring or just a wild swing? Either way, that's a fucking L
I know this is only talking about the movies, but I always had the impression that the last battle of Sauron during “The Last Alliance” was a five on one beat down. “Alas! yes,’ said Elrond. ‘Isildur took it, as should not have been. It should have been cast then into Orodruin’s fire nigh at hand where it was made. But few marked what Isildur did. He alone stood by his father in that last mortal contest; and by Gil-galad only Círdan stood, and I. But Isildur would not listen to our counsel.” - The Lord of the Rings: The classic fantasy masterpiece by J. R. R. Tolkien
Sauron in the books: 1) Hmm, if noone else can defeat the enemy kings, then I will do it myself... (dies, loses the rings, his physical body and his realm for half an age) 2) Hmm, the enemy king is now dead. Interesting. It appears that some random band of orcs completely crushed his squad. But the ring is now lost somewhere in a river. Tough luck. 3) Okay, back to subversive action, sabotage and deception. Yeah and biological warfare. Perfect, half of the enemy realms are gone and the other half is almost dead. And it only costed us an artificial realm that we created only to do this job? Perfect. 4) It appears that this witch-king-guy is kinda competent, unlike literally everyone else under my rule. That is perfect. Im sure he has a bright... DARK, I meant DARK future to look forward to. 5) Let´s join with some dragon, capture a super loaded mountain, then backstab the dragon and eliminate any enemy east of Misty mountains. 6) I´ve never ever seen a plan go tits up THAT quickly... 7) Anyway, let´s rebuild Mordor. 8) Niiice, Harad and Rhun are still my faithful bitches doing anything I ask of them. Maybe I should use more men and less of those stupid orc. Those have brought me nothing but shame. Men are far more efficient... Or maybe not. The orcs may be barely useful even as a training target, but I just can´t be bothered to change my strategy again. 9) Wow, my ring is now apparently in the hands of some Baggins of Shire. That must be a mighty lord. He fought dragons, orcs, trolls, and earned a lot of gold doing that... He was also the one who screwed me a few decades ago. But he´s quite capable, maybe I should hire him... No, Sauron hates nasty hobbitses... Sauron wants to see them... dead. 10) My nazgul squadron was very close, but ultimately lost in a battle against a river. They didnt even scratch their enemy, and suffered a complete loss of their horses. Maybe I should upgrade them to avoid them getting into such fight ever again. 11) Damn, it looks like that Saruman dude is not really on our side. Just pretends to be. Saruman, I´ve heard that name somewhere, where do I know him from?? 12) Okay, seems like that Saruman dude is not such a great friend with Rohan after all. 13) AND he got his ass kicked. Now he´s off to Morgoth knows where... 14) Oh wow, now it looks like some damned midget keeps my ring somewhere in Rohan... So that´s how they defeated Saruman. I got it. Better get rid of Gondor before they have a similar idea. 15) Wow, capturing Osgiliath was so easy. Gondor sux. 16) Let´s crush their capital. I´ve sent my general witch-king, and he´s got all the army and equipment he needs. 17) Damn, he got himself flanked, and then killed by some technicality in some prophecy made by some undead elf guy. 18) Aragorn? And he´s got the ring? Oh, so that´s how he defeated my best general. But no matter, because I still hold all the triumphs. Let´s crush Erebor and Gondor at the same time. 19) What, they are attacking?! Well that makes my plans a whole lot easier, if Aragorn wants to just bring me the ring... 20) What?! what spies in Cirith Ungol?! Don´t bother me with such nonsense, I´ve got a war to win... 21) He´s got WHAT in Mount Doom??!! 22) I hate them so much...
Even his rings were completely pointless: he failed to control Elves (he actually buffed them), he failed to control Dwarves, he even failed to control Men (apart from 9). So much effort for such puny results...
In the books, after Frodo puts on the Ring, we actually get a few paragraphs from Sauron's POV. He could not even imagine the possibility that someone would ever set out to destroy the Ring. "And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom."
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega oh 100%, what I should have said is that Sauron couldn't believe that anyone would even dare to *attempt* to destroy the Ring. He was so obsessed with power, and he thought that, at least to some degree, everyone else was the same.
@@meorgegoran i agree, true, its the reason why he didnt put a gate at mount doom. (imagine frodo and sam arrive at mount doom and there is a metal gate blocking the entrance, would be the end of the story for frodo)
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega Frodo couldn't destroy the ring even in his own house, in the beginning. Gandalf told him to try but Frodo couldn't do it. Yet he sent him to Mordor to do it nevertheless... aaaand it worked somehow.
@@meorgegoran Sauron obviously knew they were moving towards Mordor. Saruman also knew about their plan. It makes no sense why Sauron took such a risk to leave everything unprotected... leave 100 orcs there ffs you have 100.000.
I mean I did say "The hobbit has left only with his gardener." but you're right I have mistreated the man, the myth, the legend himself Honestly this was originally going to be a Sam video, but then I remembered how comically absurd Saurons story is
*What’s even sadder in the books is after the ring is destroyed, Sauron is reduced to a ghost, doomed to watch Middle Earth flourish till the end of time, a weak ghost that is blown away by the wind*
01:05 he was reaching out for him because in the books, Sauron grabbed Gil-Galad by the throat and literally incinerated him alive in front of everyone to demoralise the alliance, he was presumably going to do the same thing to Isildur. Awesome video though, very funny 👏
Thanks my friend, and thanks for the info. I dunno what's worse though, getting your ass beat with an all powerful swing or reaching out like a numpty... Either way... Looks real bad for our boy
Theres also the case of Sauron only having that mace of his in the movies. He doesnt use ANY weapon other than his hands in the books. ...Gods I wish people doing this sorta stuff would actually read the source material and not just go off of movies for their stuff x-x itd make it a lot more interesting
@@shoulderpyro True, but gotta be honest, the design looks damn cool...as an homage to Morgoth's Grond hammer... also to be noted, both Gil-Galad and Elendil were the prime warriors of their age, Sauron killed them both but he was mortally wounded. I can imagine it was a hell of a fight.
@@LordTKII While that IS true, it still wants for a version thats true to the actual original lore at least. PJ's trilogy is amazing of course but for the sake of making a watchable movie that doesnt take up most of your daytime a LOT had to be cut or changed, resulting in stuff that doesnt make sense in the Movie's shortened content vs the books' original content. Like Sauron reaching out with his hand. Movie form; This makes 0 sense. You literally have a mace, why bother reaching out? Book form: Has no weapons. Is leaving even the greatest warriors of the time heavily injured if not straight up dead simply by touching them.
Take a step back and you realize that the plot of the Second and Third Ages Lord of the Rings is Sauron going "Unlimited Power!!!" And Eru Illuvitar going "You sure about that, son?" Then EI proceeds to tan Sauron's hide like a redheaded stepchild using only five* hobbits. And EI chose to whip up Hobbits as a race just to troll Sauron. Basically the Third Age is Illuvitar showing that he can whip Sauron better than Sauron whips his minions with both hands tied behind his back using only his pinky toe. *Deagol, Sméagol, Bilbo, Frodo, & Sam
10:24, The Witch King dying because of a technicality might be the most ridiculous losses to Sauron, especially in the context of the extended edition for the movies, since he'd summarily beaten Gandalf without much effort, as in an undead mortal beat an angel in the form of a mortal (though you could argue, the Witch King having a Ring Of Power and being in Sauron's service means he's essentially being empowered by a what is essentially an archangel). They actually made him seem like Sauron's "deadliest servant for just a few moments before some random handmaiden kills his mount and then stabs him in his nonexistent mouth.
@@origami83in the books. The reason the Witch King was killed in that moment was twofold. It technically has nothing to do with Eowyn being a woman. It was simply prophesied that he would not be killed by a man. He was killed by both a woman and a Hobbit. And that’s the key. It was Merry’s involvement that made the Witch King vulnerable. Eowyn physically held him off for a short period of time. Witch King gets cocky bcs he thinks he’s fighting a weak man. Meanwhile unbeknownst to him a Hobbit with a magical dagger specifically designed to kill him is sneaking up behind him. Merry stabbing him effectively eliminates all the Witch Kings enchantments making him nearly invincible. Thus giving Eowyn (the primary combatant) the opportunity to deliver the killing blow.
@@josephclinton375 Nice explanation. I would have to look up what the literal propecy was, a man or by men has a different meaning but as you explain it it doesnt matter. Merry was the key.
in the books it’s more of a L for him since he just assumed the ring is at Rohan and then Gondor, and just was so sure of himself that ignored all the commotion in his land which he can feel what’s happening there. But he’s like “Nah, isildur’s great great grandson and this Hobbit named pipin have it, people walking deep in my lands are just spies”
Okay now what's kind of important to remember is that sauron is like fully thinking that eragon is the one with the ring Like the whole point of the story is that sauron overlooks little people and is overly focused on the grandiose tales of kings and Knoebels But in the end it is just a lowly Hobbit that defeats him while he is distracted by the king he thinks has his ring
So, from what I remembered, I dont think Sauron even knww what a "Hobbit" or "the shire" even were. In this parody, hed probably ask "what in the hell are you talking about, are you making up worda? The fucks a hobbit?"
1:10 to be fair Sauron reaching out towards Isildur makes sense once you realize he killed High King Gil-Galad of the elves by burning his face with his hand. Also Sauron probably wouldn't know about the movie version's added scene of him denying throwing the ring in the fire, because in both the movies and the books it explicitly says that Sauron doesn't believe anyone would think to destroy it, because he thinks all beings lower than him are too power hungry to resist trying to take it for themselves. Also Sauron didn't know where the Shire was apparently, sense it didn't exist when the ring was first swiped from him, so that's why he sends black riders to go and find out where the hell it is hence why they ask "Shire....? Baggins...?" Also the Nazgul were busy during those two thousands years. The Witch King for example in those millennia has done the following; founded the kingdom of Angmar, destroyed the Numernorian kingdom of Arnor, conquered the Gondorian city of Minas Ithil, which was hence forth renamed Minas Morgul, taunted the last king of Gondor into facing him in a one on one duel in which the kings fate is unknown. That's just the Witch King, what the other's were doing is unknown but they likely were busy doing similar things in the East and South. Also in the books the reason the Nazgul ran away is because they thought since Frodo had been hit by the Morgul Blade it was inevitable that he would become a Nazgul and just sort of hand them the ring on command, and also they aren't immortal, one of them simply has a vague prophecy about his death. Sauron showed those images to Pippin because at the time Sauron thought that the traitorous Saruman had captured Pippin with the one ring, and that Pippin was using the Palantir at Saruman's command to taunt Sauron into saying "look what I have" and so Sauron was essentially trying to scare Saruman into thinking that Sauron's forces are still greater and will smush him like a bug even with the ring. You got what he was thinking while they were at the black gate kind of correct, though I may clarify that Sauron thought Aragorn had claimed the ring as an heirloom of his house and planned to wield it against him, hence his delusions of grandeur to face all of Mordor with a couple men and a wizard. Yeah but Sauron had no clue about Frodo and Sam being in Mordor or even trying to enter Mordor until Frodo put the ring on in Mount Doom, before that he thought Frodo was some kind of scout or spy sent by the fellowship to look for weaknesses in Mordor's defenses.
Bookwise he isn't the most powerful. He was getting his ass handed to him the First Age by Huan a talking dog, The Valar + Morgoth, Gothmog the Balrog, Ungoliant who would eat his ass for lunch, Melian. Second Age he got is ass handed to him by Illuvatar himself and the reason he could never take a fair form after the fall of Numenor.
if it was books from sauron's perspective, it's even more infuriating...there were so many times that frodo/fellowship prevailed/survived by pure "chance"
@@Ringerofthelie His signature move was actually burning foes to death with his bare hand. That was Sauron's favourite move. But, in my opinion, Tolkien made clear what was the power of Sauron (with the ring) in battle. He was exactly two times stronger than the strongest mortal at the time - elf or man. We can confirm that because it took exactly one Gil Galad and one Elendil to tie things up and for the three to die. But the thing is. I don't think Sauron cared about physical strength. In the movies he kind of goes to battle to show his muscles and his big mace. In the books, he's escaping the field, because his army is fucked. Gil Galad ser that, and intercept him with Elendil. Sauron is like: "god damn, guess I have to battle." Again, he's a brilliant tactician, not a fighter.
@@Nomsynho yes. The movie, good as it is muddles certain details. For instance, why wasnt doom guarded? Well..because sauron knew no one in middle earth had the strength of will to throw the ring in. No one. Not frodo, not gandalf, not galadriel, not even himself. So why guard it? Anyone who came would simply be found and taken by the nazgul. And he did not understand why anyone would. He thought aragorn had the ring. That's why aragorn revealed himself in palantir. Sauron thought pippin was frodo, and gandalf and crew figured that if aragorn revealed himself, sauron would think aragorn took the ring from the hobbit because only someone with the ring would be crazy enough to attack mordor with such a small army. Thus sauron would send his armies to stop aragorn, leaving mordor less guarded improving the odds of Frodo's success. Sauron could not comprehend why anyone would destroy the ring.
What y'all in the comments seem to be forgetting is that for every 4 or 5 military L Sauron took through out the timeline he had a world ending W. After he made the one ring he dominated about 70% of all middle earth for 1500 year until Numenor intervened, and even when he was captured by Numenor (which he did willingly cuz he knew he could destroy them from the inside) he quickly begins to manipulate the King and takes control over Numenor, which was the mightiest empire ever in the works of Tolkien, it was only after he convinced Numenor to invade the blessed realm that Sauron took his first major L and lost his body due to divine intervention from God himself (and yes, he had already taken quite a few minor L'sz specially with the dwarves and elves but had ultimetly succeded in taking over middle earth so far). Not to mention that by the time of LOTR he had most of the South (Tokien's north Africa) and the Easterlings (Tolkien's middle eastern people) under his commend either by force or diplomacy. Even in the battle of the Pellenor fields (which is probably the most crushing defeat Sauron took during the events of LOTR) was won by a simple yet game changing divine intervention by Eru once again, which was clearing the sky from Sauron's dark clouds to fuck with the orcs, allthough in the movies that detail really isn't that much clear. And finally, in the books he loses by divine intervention AGAIN when Gollum trips and falls, which in the movies looks more like a result of his fight with frodo. The movies dont really do a good job of showing how Sauron thinks, which i think is actually a good thing for the story telling of the triology, but it also kinda makes him look like an idiot. Sauron doesnt mind taking a military defeat here and there, he loses an army? sure, he can just rebuild more, but men? elves? they cant. If you take a look at Saurons life he lost a lot more times than he won, but in the grand scheme of things it really didn't metter, for every victory middle earth had over Sauron during theese thousands of years they lost countless soldiers that cannot be replaced, unlike Sauron's orcs which he breeds like rabbits. Even when he himself is "killed" it doesnt metter, not only is he completely immortal but with the one ring he can always make a new body, might take a really long time if the ring is lost but it happens very quickly if the ring is with him. Sauron was confortable with losing battle after battle cuz he was always looking at the big picture, playing the long game, knowing he is gonna win in the end. The reasons why he loses in LOTR are very nuanced, you can say his biggest mistake was not guarding Mt. Doom but even then Sauron was low-key right not to, he thaught no one could ever resist the willl of the ring and he was right, what he didnt count on however is in one of Tolkien's most important themes "evil always destroys itself", for Sauron himself didnt view him as evil, but as the only one fit for rule, capable of achieving ultimate order, and THAT, was the only mistake that truly defeated Sauron in the grand scheme of things, not being able to realise his own darkness, and by extension not being able to comprehend altruism and self sacrifice.
Fun and awesome video. I'm a Tolkien nerd, and it's good to see 99% of the other commenters also enjoyed this. Yes, the movies break from the books a bit, but most of us, including me, got into it through the movies, and the video is really funny.
Pretty sure Sauron didn't see his first hobbit in the films until Frodo sat atop Amon Hen. Like he knows far less than you're giving him credit for. It's possible he only saw his first when Pippin looked at the palantir.
I really enjoyed the video! I will note that Sauron did in fact have a body at the time of lord of the rings, and is even suspected of actually torturing Gollum, for at least some of the time, personally. The quotation from Gollum is something like "...he has four fingers on his black hand, but they are enough", implying that he's actually come face to face with Sauron. I know your video was from a movie perspective; even in the movie it could be argued that Sauron did have a body in addition to the shown eye, it was just never seen.
I wish they would have done a few things in the movies more like the books. By changing certain things, they've changed entire characters,making them look dumb or evil when their not. Plus, people don't understand that no one could actually throw the ring in the lava. That's why it has to happen by accident. Even the more powerful characters would fail at this because the ring corrups everyone it's what it does. Some may take longer, but they still will come under it's spell. Plus, how you gain possession of the ring really matters. If you take it by any kind of aggression or violence you've already lost.
I mean i still got a lot more respect for Sauron than for Voldemort because Voldemort put his soul into seven things and still died at like fifty while Sauron only had the ring and lived for thousands of years, still making that ring in hindsight has got to be his greatest mistake ever since it literally became his archilles foot
It literally did not tho, without the ring he cant come back in a new physical form after having his body destroyed, he would simply be a powerless spirit unable to return, thank to the ring he was able to rebuild his body not once but 3 times, something no other maiar have ever done, the ring is the reason sauron was able to come back 3 times while all the balrogs were destroyed permanently
That was great, but I wanted to hear the part where the Nazgul trapped the dying hobbit at the fords near Rivendale, and got slaughtered--horses and all--by a flood. Then their spirits had to come back to Sauron to be reconstituted. Also, I wanted to hear the part where the underling says, "Oh, uh, the Balrog died." Sauron gets to say, "Wait, nine-odd idiots made it through Morea, escaped my half-million goblins, and killed the 5000+ year old Balrog, the only other living demon who served me with under Melchior?" "Uh, yes sir?" "Really, did we get any of them?" "Well, we think the Balrog got the wizard. They fell off the top of the mountain and made a pretty big boom." "And did you check?" "Well, we found the Balrog's bones, but we saw a giant eagle carrying away the wizard's corpse, no doubt to eat."
"The Nazgul have just been sitting around for the last two thousand years..." Nah Man they were very busy wreaking the world, it's arguable the real dark lord of the 3rd age was the Witch King and his kingdom of Angmar. Sure he answered to Sauron, but then again Sauron being the Dark Lord of the 2nd age, who in turn answered to Morgoth.
Yes, but that's kinda the point. Sauron is a Maiar, follower of the Valar, Morgoth, and has spent thousands of years honing his manipulation skills to the point that even thinking that you want to destroy your enemy will tempt you to give him more power over you. So being a godlike being, he wouldn't expect an insignificant, powerless child would be the means by which Illuvitar would bring about your demise.
Just… just build a bloody door or wall into Mt. Doom and say “NEVER OPEN THIS DOOR UNLESS ITS ME WALKING IN OR OUT, nobody else has ANY business near this volcano!” Btw- your hilarious, I’m subbing :p
I am loathe to bring up The Rings of Power, but the actor who plays Sauron (who loves playing him and has a LOT of respect for the character and has done a lot of research into obscure details so I’d say he knows him fairly well) said that if he had any advice for his character it would be to “just chill out for a bit,” lol.
From Sauron's perspective, the Uruk-Hai weren't so much an invention of Saruman as they were a result of Saruman illegally improving on a patent Sauron (as Morgoth's inheritor) owned at the time..
I always thought it was a little bit of a lost opportunity that Gollum simply tripped and fell in the lava. I think it would have been just a bit more like fate taking a hand if he could have slipped on Frodo's blood/bloody finger - like a just reward for his broken promise to his master and to the ring.
For the palantir: he didn’t know Isengard fall, he through that Saruman was torturing the ring bearer with the palantir so he showed vision of Minas tirith destroyed to break his mind as punishment for using the ring, than he send a nazgul to retrieve the ring ( funny to image the nazgul arriving excepting everything except saruman under siege without the ring and the palantir )
They actually got his personality and motives pretty close. The timeline and plot is MASSIVELY compressed, but the wandering around moping and feeling sorry for himself, his considering going good for five seconds before fully committing to the Dark Lord bit, and the storyline of his manipulating the Elves into creating the Rings is about as accurate as a book-to-tv/film adaptation typically gets. You see a lot of people saying they watch entirely for Sauron, and part of it is the actor’s portrayal, but I think a BIG factor is the fact that out of everything, his story and character most closely follows Tolkien’s works (even though the dialogue and individual events feel like they were written by AI). Staying true (ish) to the writings of one of the most beloved storytellers of the 20th century and it works!? Imagine that!
Having Saruman as an ally was kind of a lose lose situation for Sauron. Even if Saruman had succeeded in capturing the Ring he would have used it himself and replaced Sauron as the Dark Lord. I don’t think Sauron really thought that scenerio out properly
Yeah i always thought sauron must have been like no fuckin way when frodo put the ring on. Because he thought no living being had the ability to willingly destroy it.
I feel for Sauron, bro. If they just did as he said, there would be peace in all the lands. Instead, he gets bullied for 4,000 years for being a little goth. Shame, man. And they wonder why he lashed out.
You said it would be unexpected, and it trully was XD Again, a very nice one, cant wait for Alice in wonderlands from the rabbit pov or stuff like that 😂
This video showed up on my recommended list. I'm glad I decided to watch it because it made my day. I thought it was hilarious and because of that I'm subscribing to your channel. I also had to share the video with my daughter who loves LOTR too. 😊
You do realize Sauron was an arrogant flog and wanted to burn ma boi Isildur's face off right? Like the real Sauron beat them like bear handed and burned Elrond with his hand, think Nomsy think! He beat the best elf and Isildur's daddy there was no way some boy can beat him. *cue finger chop*
Nice vid. One thing though, didn't Sauron think Pipin had the ring? He would have had no idea about the significance of halflings caught at cirith ungol.
Honestly, it's probably pretty hard to say, the books will give a better go at it I'm sure, but I didn't want to do a thing about the books while using the movies as clips because they're quite different from each other in terms of characterisation and plot
No he didn't. Gandalf said Sauron might appear in person at the very end (to gloat), but he never gets that chance. They did shoot a scene of this for the movie but never finished the CGI for it.
To be fair, If I was (movie) Sauron, a Maiar spirit in a BIG metal body, who could make dozens of soldiers fly with a single swing. Crushing a royal with a "bare" hand sounds kinda hardcore. (if he succeeded) so why NOT be a bit theatrical? "I crushed lineages of Kings with my barehands." "Sir, that was one time" "SILENCE! It was epic! Now, sing again of my victory!"
My guess is that Sauron was planning on lifting Isildur up for the whole army to see (which is why he was reaching out towards him), then he was gonna bash him with the mace, which would likely take the fight out of the rest of the army. He didn’t want to just beat Isildur, he wanted to make a show of it.
Something very important from Sauron of the books are two very important things what explain how Sauron was defeated: -Sauron, a prideful being, and only consider those who he thinks are "powerfull", like Aragorn and Gandalf. Case in point he does not bother to even know the name of the Hobbits -Sauron, a being obsesed with power, could NOT conceive the possibility that someone might want to destroy the One ring, rather than use This are the two things Eru, the God of LotR , and Gandalf used agaisnt Sauron. The entire Trilogy was a giant goose chase game masked as a race agaisnt time.
I’d imagine Sauron would be so happy that he just has to stop by hobbiton to get the ring and not a whole dungeon under an entire kingdom. Just the easiest grab ever… and ur own dark paladins cannot catch them and lose them. And now u have to find them… and they still keep getting away… and eventually a king gets it… and he goes to war with u… and ur in ur tower waiting for ur army to overwhelm them… and then he succumbs to the ring and hol on sec u turn around and THE HOBBIT HAS IT AGAIN AND IS LITERALLY INSIDE MT DOOM Btw this is book Sauron. He’s alive, he came back as a necromancer and died again and returned again but knows a hobbit bilbo found it and took it from a crackhead. And Sauron just sits in his tower, prob in terrible shape, just waiting for the ring to make its way to him. And he thought Aragorn had the ring after seeing him in the palantir
It's actualy thought Sauron never even knew the shire existed, and in fact, many didn't know the shire existed. Sauron may have known the lands by a different name, long before hobbits inhabited it, so he was actually fumbling around in the dark. He probably didn't even know hobbits were a race of halflings, and may have just assumed that the ring-bearer was some normal dude before learning of hobbits.
I really want to see him do Avengers from Thanos’ perspective. But MORE than that I want to see him cover the Pilgrim’s Progress from Apolyon’s perspective.
- It was really weird to begin with that Sauron would turn off the invisibility feature while wearing the ring in that fight. I mean sure, do a menacing showy entrance but then just dissapearing in front of them before they all start gettting bashed around is way more badass than what he did.
ACKTHUALLY: It was marry striking him with the enchanted blade that broke the spell protecting the witch king. Merry is the one who made him vulnerable. Eowyn just delivered the final blow. I love this video, but he gets a-lot wrong.
To be fair, the movies handwaved alot of the fine details. Like sauran getting the ring cut wasnt until he was nearly defeated by heros from elfdom and humanity. Also sauron wasnt destroyed when the ring was destroyed. He was depowered and trapped in the beyond.
You know what the power of Sauron was? Propaganda. He created a mythical marketing campaign. He was not all that. The ring was not so all powerful as it seemed . He was beaten by Gil Galad and Elendil, an elf and an old man, while he WAS wearing the One Ring! yep, he killed both of them, but that was his limit, an even king with diminished powers because the curse of morgoth over middle earth, and a retired sailor with a shine blade that he broke.
12:17 to be fair they did go to tell him- leaving the hobbit completely alone and unguarded in that building to go and tell someone they found (cough meat cough) a hobbit did happen!
Isildur wasn’t being selfish, Sauron made it physically impossible for someone to destroy the ring on purpose. The way it happened is basically the only way it could have been destroyed.
A lot have been cut from the opening battle due to time constraints. In the original script Sauron used telekinesis to lift Gil-Galad in the air (with the reaching out gesture) and then burst him into flames. Then he killed Elendil and finally went for the same telekinesis move on Isildur... who surprised him by cutting of his fingers with the broken Narsil. In the books Sauron is defeated in combat by Gil-Galad, Elendil and Isildur. With only Isildur surviving the fight and taking the ring from Sauron's dead body. As the destruction of the ring goes... NO ONE not Isildur, Elrond, Frodo or Golum could ever destroy the ring. The One Ring has simple too much influence over its wielder to allow its own destruction. Ring was literally destroyed by the act of God (Eru-Ilúvatar the same God who brought Gandalf back) by making Golum fall into the lava. You may not like it... but that's how Tolkien wrote it.
Well that would've made things so much better for our lord of darkness or at least made him look a little less foolish, but it's goddamn hilarious what they ended up creating from their time constraints, don't get me wrong I love the movies I think they're masterpieces, but I just find them goddamn hilarious if you just take them at face value. The point of my video was to poke fun at the direction of the movies not the lore and books of Tolkien
A minor nitpick: Sauron is defeated (or "brought down") by Elendil and Gil-Galad, not Isildur, although Sauron isn't "dead" at that point. When Isildur cuts the ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of Narsil he is vaquished and his spirit flees his body - so it isn't that far from what happens in the film, except that in the book Sauron is fallen and Isildur standing rather than the other way round, the method to "kill" Sauron was the same, namely removing the ring from his hand
@@Nomsynho I agree that few extra shots in the opening scene would not extend the runtime that much. Maybe its was more about keeping the pace going and not get hang around on individual fight between Gil-Galad and Sauron. But It is surely something they should have do for the extended version... It is what it is.
I've been saying this for years. As powerful as Sauron is, especially in the context of Middle-Earth by the late Third Age, the truth is, he has been the Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes for thousands of years. He is like an errant late 20th century punk, raging against the powers that be. I've done the same thought exercise (except from the First Age onward) and seeing exactly how many times Sauron had been messed around by fate itself. It ultimately comes down to the nature of how the Free Peoples were supposed to win their victory over Sauron. If you think about it, Eru could descend at any time he so felt like, and crushingly defeat Sauron without even trying. Maybe he could do it with a single thought or word. A gesture. Anything, it doesn't particularly matter. Sauron can't defeat Eru. In a way, Sauron is like rebellious son. The Lucifer comparison is often made. I'd say Lucifer was Melkor, but Sauron is the greatest acolyte of Melkor. I'm aware that the claim that Sauron is the most powerful of the Maiar, is challenged. He has been defeated before (though these seem to be Maiar with comparable power to Sauron, where Sauron's own is moot if he has become weakened by recent defeat) *Eönwë* or *Ilmarë* could be stronger from a _certain point of view_ and it's fair to say Eönwë was likely the best _fighter_ of the Maiar. And just as Melkor feared Tulkas (the best fighter of the Valar), Sauron likely feared Eönwë. But perhaps just as Tulkas was not necessarily the greatest of the Valar, the same could be said of the greatest fighter of the Maiar (?) On paper, it can be debated this or that way. In context, Sauron had just survived the War of Wrath and wasn't necessarily about to be in the best form to get into an all out fight with Eönwë. Sauron's overall powers were generally deemed greater. I'm seeing comments here dismissing Sauron's power as lesser because of defeats, though these all ought to be contextualised. Yes, Elendil and Gil-galad defeated him (together, sacrificing themselves in the process) Yes, Huan the Hound of Valinor (a great wolfhound magically imbued with godly strength, one of the Vala Oromë's hunting dogs (albeit originally belonging to Celegorm, one of the Sons of Fëanor -- also specifically given prophetic purpose (in direct significance to one of Sauron's forms; that of a great Werewolf) People are saying a Dog beat Sauron like that's some small thing. In all fairness to Sauron, Huan was a super-powered wolfhound the size of a horse, given god powers and Eowyn-style purpose via prophecy (in her case, to defeat the Witch-King, in Sauron's case, to defeat the greatest Werewolf aka Sauron's Werewolf form) Huan was quite literally, purposefully fated to defeat Sauron (another rake, right in Sideshow Sauron's face) If the Valar and Eru were 'miffed' (to put it mildly) at Fëanor and Fingolfin of the Noldorin, going into Middle-Earth against their wishes, and with this causing a cascade of misfortunes for the Eldar involved, playing out over several thousand years, then _what do you think they think about Sauron the Deceiver_ whom goes around supporting Melkor, turning into werewolf form and serpent form and all kinds of other forms? What level of FUBAR bad luck do you think the powers that be had in store for Sauron? It was bad, very bad. Sauron was basically on the naughty list forever, no backsies and was doomed to a fate, _worse than_ death (and let's face it, aspects of Sauron had 'died' many times. Huan did, yes, 'kick Sauron's ass' but that was still a tough fight (and Huan still had some help from Lúthien's magic) That said, in all fairness, in turn, to Huan, he didn't just fight Sauron at Tol-in-Gaurhoth (the clue is in the meaning of the name of that dread-fortress that used to be a nice place; the Isle of Werewolves) Well, he and Lúthien's walked right in there. Huan (with help from Lúthien's magic) defeated _every single one_ of Sauron's werewolves. Absolutely destroying all of them. How many that is, is unknown. It's also unclear if any Orcs were present but I guess Orcs wouldn't exactly be in their element in a fortress garrisoned by a bunch of Werewolves. My guess would be, Sauron could walk amongst them but Orcs were not exactly safe from them. Huan just absolutely wiped out all the Werewolves _then_ took on Sauron whom transformed into the most terrifying Werewolf in the world (and still won) Before Huan defeated Sauron in giant Werewolf form, he'd already defeated Draugluin, the _First_ Werewolf. The First Age was a bit of a mood or phase for Sauron, as he was into sticking bad spirits into various subjects and seeing what happened. He was something of an experimenter of cruel ways and making new monsters. Sort of like a mad scientist or a general testing new weapons of war for Melkor. Draugluin was one of Sauron's experiments essentially. One of his 'creations'. A nightmare itself, of course. Huan still slew Draugluin, the grandsire of all Werewolves ever in Tolkien (and possibly also all the Wargs, too) Sauron's Werewolf phase was very much in evidence in the First Age and he was full on fiending at Tol-in-Gaurhoth. That which had once been Tol Sirion, an Elven fortress, was overrun by Sauron and Draugluin, and then he got to work. Basically, Huan and Lúthien's with her magic, completely defeated the entire Werewolf horde at Tol-in-Gaurhoth. Sauron fled. This would not be the last time Sauron ran away, or the last time he got defeated. Again, this _still_ doesn't mean he isn't the greatest of the Maiar by raw power (especially looking at his origins) However, like Melkor, he frittered away his power in a sense, and became weaker. In Sauron's case, that was very pronounced after he lost his fair form Annatar, following the events of the Akallabeth near the end of the Late Second Age (the Downfall of Númenor) Sauron had allowed for that to be the case. It was the one way for Sauron to defeat Númenor. Sauron the Super Sigma had accepted he simply could not defeat Númenor at warfare (Mordor stood zero chance against the true might of a united Númenor, even _without_ all those Elves helping, so Sauron changed his strategy, allowing himself to be captured and then using his manipulation skills to worm his way into arrogant Ar-Pharazon's ear; whom had already lost the plot ego wise after Sauron - a demi-god - was seen to openly kneel in surrender to him inside Mordor) There was simply nothing Sauron could do to stop the grand armies of Númenor it simply wasn't a contest at that point. [part 1/2; part 2 in reply below]
[2/2] Sauron pivoted to subvert Númenor on a political and societal level, and that was the end of that, really. The price was Sauron's corporeal form as Annatar, which he could _never_ take on again. He was a broken, desperate thing, resorting to that to sabotage Númenor and to reduce himself to imbuing oversized armour to compensate for his considerable loss. And the Rings of Power were that as well, compensation and improvement of the powers he had lost and the powers he still had, like focusing lenses to exert his will over the peoples of Middle-Earth. Viewing it from the perspective of the Valar, what Sauron was doing was both insane, and ultimately, pathetic. Still a massive problem for the mortals and even the immortals still fighting him in the Second and Third Ages (especially the latter), though he was still basically resorting to lesser and lesser gains at terrible cost. Strategically, Sauron's grasp of war is also questionable, as in spite of thousands of years of wars, he seems spectacularly, uncannily unfortunate in war (almost as if he was never meant to win, hmmm) The sum total of his behaviour is essentially that of a destructive, tyrannical monster that got less and less powerful over time. Compared to mortals, he was still terrifying even when weakened. But the fact Gandalf the Grey drove the Necromancer (Sauron in hiding) from Dol Guldur _alone_ that time, shows that he really had fallen from grace (no offence to Gandalf, whom is still my favourite character of all) The simple fact was, Sauron was the most powerful of the Maiar (originally) Whether he still was at the end of the First Age, when Eönwë was sent to apprehend him, is unclear. We can't really judge Sauron in that moment for being a bit unwilling to get into a duel with Eönwë. Huan was Sauron's Werewolf form's nemesis by prophecy. Carcharoth, the greatest wolf ever (besides Sauron's shapeshifted Werewolf form) was to be mutually mortally wounded with Huan, and that was while Huan had help from Beren and Mablung etc. The implication could be that if Sauron wasn't cursed to lose that fight in his Werewolf form, then he could have otherwise slain Huan. As much as Huan is cool and everything, I think that makes sense. If not for being granted certain powers, then Huan would just be a very large wolfhound the size of a horse (incredible, yes, but still fighting daemonic fallen angel Sauron in giant Werewolf form; it was his high intelligence, literally at talking Dog level (although he was only allowed to talk three times before he died) Morgoth/Melkor _made_ Carcharoth stronger as the greatest of Draugluin's offspring, to be some predestined monster to defeat Huan; Carcharoth, literally becoming what he did, simply because Melkor wanted him to destroy Another idea I have seen is that Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs is the most powerful Maiar, but I think that is absolutely not true at all, and there is zero evidence for making such a claim. Ecthelion of the Fountain of Gondolin, defeated Gothmog, and convincingly. It cost him his life to do it, but there you go. Could Ecthelion defeat peak Sauron? Doubt it. Sauron from the Dagorlad Plain? Doubt it but maybe. How does Ecthelion of the Fountain, stood in his own city, guarding that fountain, compare to Elendil and Gil-galad (combined or separately) if suddenly sent to the Late Second Age and from Gondolin to Dagorlad Plain or the slopes of Mount Doom otherwise? Who knows. It's not like there is a quantifiable system in place to see, dare I say, exact 'power levels'. It would be unimaginable for a Hobbit to slay Sauron in combat, though a Hobbit did defeat Sauron in the end. Two Hobbits. And Gollum, technically. But there you go. I personally think giga-chad Eönwë would be a sight to behold, as he duelled Sauron (if both were at full-strength) Sauron's power isn't all about combat though, so Eönwë (whom is still as powerful as he ever was, because good guys don't finish last in Tolkien, mostly anyway) He could probably defeat Sauron throughout most of Middle-Earth history. I am not sure that if Sauron was geared up for a fight and full-empowered, that he would be so easily defeated. On paper, the herald and fighting champion of Manwë, would overwhelm Sauron. Sauron whom is more like an all rounder, inventor, sorcerer and warlock. A tyrant and a deceiver. He's more of a politician, in those regards. Politician, meets inventor. Sauron is likely more powerful and better than Eönwë at a broader range of things. Could Sauron at his best defeat Gothmog? Probably. Could Sauron ever defeat Ungoliant? No. But if a flock of Balrogs can scare even the superpowered form of Ungoliant off, then Sauron could at least be strong enough to hold his own against her for a while, like any of the Balrogs in the line of thought. If Gandalf the Grey can defeat Durin's Bane in a battle that takes 8 days for Gandalf to win (at the cost of his own life) then Sauron at his best would easily defeat Durin's Bane and do so without dying. This makes sense. What doesn't make sense, is the entirety of the Rings of Power series.
Been awhile i read the books themselves, but i recently heared about difference between movie & book, that the latter had no dramatic scene of cutting the finger off in combat, but it happend after combat, to take trophies of the fallen
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I have one regret in this world and that is editing out the bit where I said this is only about the movies and not the books...
Well, ring-magic isn't explained in a lot of detail in the movie trilogy. In my head canon Peter chose the finger ring thing as a tool for "show don't tell", so the audience understands the connection between Sauron and the One Ring from the moment of the prolog.
Also, people calling Isildur names often don't understand that this behavior was literally put into the Ring's "source code". It was Sauron’s measure to ensure its indestructibility, especially when he isn't in control at that moment time. And it did work on Isildur. It also worked on Frodo, but only after months, not just a few hours.
Gandalf's understanding that Sauron hadn't thought about Hobbits (as they didn't exist then, cough) when he wrote his magic "source code" was what tipped the scales.
Yea you should have left that in the video.
In my opinion, the book version of Isildur taking posession of the ring actually makes more sense, since in that Sauron is already beaten and dying, so its just a matter of getting there and hacking his ring bearing finger off without much of a resistance.
I agree with @PiscatorLager , the movie ring thing is probably meant as a tool of "showing instead of telling"
Fair enough. Saves me a whole load of typing! 😂
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I cannot imagine why :D
Sauron never knows (nor does he care) what's the name of the hobbit carrying the ring. He just knows that _a hobbit_ is carrying it. So when Pippin looks into the Palantir he automatically assumes that's the ringbearer - and when Aragorn looks into it he believes that now HE has the ring.
When his army is defeated in the Pelennor fields he naturally assumes that happened because Aragorn used the power of the ring, and when Aragorn marches the remainder of the armies of Gondor and Rohan Sauron thinks he has gone mad with power thanks to the ring.
When he learns Frodo has been captured and a Powerful elf warrior (which is what the orcs thought Sam was because he was carrying and empowered by the ring) had freed him he assumed they were spies with no direct connection to the ring, which is why he doesn't think twice about it or put any defences to Mount Doom.
The fact is that Sauron never even considered the possibility that someone might want to destroy the ring instead of using it. He wants nothing but total domination over the world so naturally he believes everyone else wants the same, and hence nobody would turn down the chance of mastering the ring. He only realised what was actually going on once Frodo put on the ring at Mount Doom
In a way he was right, since nobody living on Middle Earth would have been able to willingly destrly the ring, once they got to the place where it could be destroyed anyone weaker than Sauron at his peak would have fallen to the temptation. The only way it could happen was by accident (or divine intervention)
Must think all hobbits look the same
he's pretty mentally limited - total lack of introspection or self-awareness and a one track mind - pretty disappointing considering he's an immortal being only a rank lower than the Valar themselves
no he actually could have known the name of the hobbit because gollum told the name : Beggins, shire that were the two words
@@willc1294I'd say that this is pretty accurate, not disappointing.
Exactly.
So basicly he died in the aftermath of a fistfight between 2 lawn gnomes.
Honestly where were you when I was writing this script my god that's so fucking funny
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Hobbits. Not gnomes. Gnomes have this strange quirk where they can live longer with instense stress. One gnome from Pathfinder: Wrath of the Rightious has an ending like that. He gains longer life because he's so worried about the player making chaos.
How do beat an enemy that gets stronger the more they're under pressure?
@@taramaforhaikido7272 You put them idling into the gardens of people who possess no taste?
Sir a second Hobbit has hit Mount Doom
Wait this joke is too fucking good omg
‘Where are these midget creatures coming from!?’
Sir, the hobbits brought a butler with them.
Wasn't that the plot of the second book?
In fairness, Sauron's entire life is a rolling calamity.
Becomes lieutenant to Morgoth. Sees the Valar coming to shit-mix his boss and he GTFO of dodge before he gets some.
Captures Beren and Finrod, but gets woozy when he attacks Luthien, and Huan pins him by the throat. Luthien takes the piss for a bit threatening to relieve him of his current physical form which by this point is quite powerful, and Sauron spills the beans before being let go.
Morgoth gets battered by his betters, so Sauron begs for clemency from the Valar. Gets forgiven, but like a little bitch can't face the shame of returning to the Valar's side. Flees to Middle-Earth.
Takes the mantle of dark lord. Hatches a master plan to corrupt the free peoples with rings. The moment he puts the One on, the Elves call him on his bullshit and he has to go to Eregion to get the other rings of power personally, muttering to himself about the fallibility of his plans.
He gets the Seven, gets the Nine, but the Three he really wanted are already gone. Hands out the rings and has some success with the Nine, but the dwarves are too strong to be fully affected, so his plan by this point is perhaps 30% effective.
Decides to push his luck after Eregion and take Lindon, but the Numenoreans turn up and send him packing back to Mordor after massacring his army.
Once back home, gets cocky again, so the Numenoreans come back to spank him and he straight up surrenders, recognising that they'll hand him his own arse if he fights.
Gets taken to Numenor and tries to get them to attack the Valar. God directly intervenes with a "nope" admin-command and deletes Numenor, drowning Sauron and forcing him to go home shapeless. This resulted in the loss of his pretty face, and he looked like an angry hobo ever since.
Builds his body back but is still under-strength when he decides to prematurely attack Arnor and Gondor. The Last Alliance of Ass-Kicking Chads turn up to bully him some more. For lulz one of them cuts his ring finger off and steals his Ring that he spent so much time building his failed master plan around.
Spends a long time hiding and sulking in spirit-form crying about the unfairness of it all.
Decides to take shape in Dol Guldur and just hang out and chill, considering his life. The White Council turn up with an eviction notice and sends him packing. Hobos his way back to Mordor.
Gets his shape back, and again gets cocky. Attacks Gondor and things seem to be going well, until he realises he was paying attention to the wrong guys all along. Hobbits turn up and violate his Ring, and for the last time, he's sent packing, but this time into the Void as a shapeless being unable to effect change or gain his strength ever again.
His is not really a tale of consistent success. Everyone's had a piece of this guy over the years.
Hmmm maybe I need to revaluate which version of Sauron is more pathetic 😂
But thank you for your insight, this was illuminating
Great summary. 😂
impressive,so essentially Sauron is the equivalent of the Buffalo Bills in Middle Earth 😅
@@Nomsynho At least the book version can occasionally get things done. He constantly underestimates his opponents (which you'd think he'd learn from) but at least he isn't a complete b!tch who pines for a mortal woman, and can be easily deceived and defeated by his own warriors.
In the books he was straight-up defeated in combat by Elendil, Gil-Galad and Isildur. There was no wild swing or irrational reaching-down.
I really don't know what's worse tbh knowing he got his ass beat by 3 people when he has an all powerful ring or just a wild swing? Either way, that's a fucking L
It was really just Gil-Galad and Elendil who beat him, Isildur just cut the Ring off Sauron's finger as he lay dead/dying...
I know this is only talking about the movies, but I always had the impression that the last battle of Sauron during “The Last Alliance” was a five on one beat down.
“Alas! yes,’ said Elrond. ‘Isildur took it, as should not have been. It should have been cast then into Orodruin’s fire nigh at hand where it was made. But few marked what Isildur did. He alone stood by his father in that last mortal contest; and by Gil-galad only Círdan stood, and I. But Isildur would not listen to our counsel.”
- The Lord of the Rings: The classic fantasy masterpiece by J. R. R. Tolkien
@@Nomsynhoelves were hard as fuck. Even morgoth got wounded by an elf that made him cower away even after killing him..
Just came here to comment this. 👊🏼
Sauron in the books:
1) Hmm, if noone else can defeat the enemy kings, then I will do it myself... (dies, loses the rings, his physical body and his realm for half an age)
2) Hmm, the enemy king is now dead. Interesting. It appears that some random band of orcs completely crushed his squad. But the ring is now lost somewhere in a river. Tough luck.
3) Okay, back to subversive action, sabotage and deception. Yeah and biological warfare. Perfect, half of the enemy realms are gone and the other half is almost dead. And it only costed us an artificial realm that we created only to do this job? Perfect.
4) It appears that this witch-king-guy is kinda competent, unlike literally everyone else under my rule. That is perfect. Im sure he has a bright... DARK, I meant DARK future to look forward to.
5) Let´s join with some dragon, capture a super loaded mountain, then backstab the dragon and eliminate any enemy east of Misty mountains.
6) I´ve never ever seen a plan go tits up THAT quickly...
7) Anyway, let´s rebuild Mordor.
8) Niiice, Harad and Rhun are still my faithful bitches doing anything I ask of them. Maybe I should use more men and less of those stupid orc. Those have brought me nothing but shame. Men are far more efficient... Or maybe not. The orcs may be barely useful even as a training target, but I just can´t be bothered to change my strategy again.
9) Wow, my ring is now apparently in the hands of some Baggins of Shire. That must be a mighty lord. He fought dragons, orcs, trolls, and earned a lot of gold doing that... He was also the one who screwed me a few decades ago. But he´s quite capable, maybe I should hire him... No, Sauron hates nasty hobbitses... Sauron wants to see them... dead.
10) My nazgul squadron was very close, but ultimately lost in a battle against a river. They didnt even scratch their enemy, and suffered a complete loss of their horses. Maybe I should upgrade them to avoid them getting into such fight ever again.
11) Damn, it looks like that Saruman dude is not really on our side. Just pretends to be. Saruman, I´ve heard that name somewhere, where do I know him from??
12) Okay, seems like that Saruman dude is not such a great friend with Rohan after all.
13) AND he got his ass kicked. Now he´s off to Morgoth knows where...
14) Oh wow, now it looks like some damned midget keeps my ring somewhere in Rohan... So that´s how they defeated Saruman. I got it. Better get rid of Gondor before they have a similar idea.
15) Wow, capturing Osgiliath was so easy. Gondor sux.
16) Let´s crush their capital. I´ve sent my general witch-king, and he´s got all the army and equipment he needs.
17) Damn, he got himself flanked, and then killed by some technicality in some prophecy made by some undead elf guy.
18) Aragorn? And he´s got the ring? Oh, so that´s how he defeated my best general. But no matter, because I still hold all the triumphs. Let´s crush Erebor and Gondor at the same time.
19) What, they are attacking?! Well that makes my plans a whole lot easier, if Aragorn wants to just bring me the ring...
20) What?! what spies in Cirith Ungol?! Don´t bother me with such nonsense, I´ve got a war to win...
21) He´s got WHAT in Mount Doom??!!
22) I hate them so much...
Even his rings were completely pointless: he failed to control Elves (he actually buffed them), he failed to control Dwarves, he even failed to control Men (apart from 9). So much effort for such puny results...
In the books, after Frodo puts on the Ring, we actually get a few paragraphs from Sauron's POV. He could not even imagine the possibility that someone would ever set out to destroy the Ring.
"And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom."
in the end, nobody could destroy the ring, even frodo was corrupted before he could destroy it, it fell in on accident
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega oh 100%, what I should have said is that Sauron couldn't believe that anyone would even dare to *attempt* to destroy the Ring. He was so obsessed with power, and he thought that, at least to some degree, everyone else was the same.
@@meorgegoran i agree, true, its the reason why he didnt put a gate at mount doom. (imagine frodo and sam arrive at mount doom and there is a metal gate blocking the entrance, would be the end of the story for frodo)
@@ElysiaWhitemoonOmega Frodo couldn't destroy the ring even in his own house, in the beginning. Gandalf told him to try but Frodo couldn't do it. Yet he sent him to Mordor to do it nevertheless... aaaand it worked somehow.
@@meorgegoran Sauron obviously knew they were moving towards Mordor. Saruman also knew about their plan. It makes no sense why Sauron took such a risk to leave everything unprotected... leave 100 orcs there ffs you have 100.000.
TLotR is basically just God playing a prank on Lucifer's top guy for shits and giggles.
Bro forgot to mention that the hobbit who rescued Frodo was Samwise MOTHERFUCKING Gamgee. The gardner.
I mean I did say "The hobbit has left only with his gardener." but you're right I have mistreated the man, the myth, the legend himself
Honestly this was originally going to be a Sam video, but then I remembered how comically absurd Saurons story is
8:44 the best part of this joke is knowing Sauron is very familiar with Ents. Ask Sauron where the Entwives went. He knows.
Sauron seeing his plans getting shanked by the most random of coincidences is the funniest thing
I can actually picture Sauron, shaking his ethereal fists in frustration and screaming “just send the f*ing Nazgûl, you moron!”
*What’s even sadder in the books is after the ring is destroyed, Sauron is reduced to a ghost, doomed to watch Middle Earth flourish till the end of time, a weak ghost that is blown away by the wind*
Ehhh hes fine. Amazon says he can fully regenerate on day of death via rat feeding
@@misapheonix They'll probably make a sequel of LOTR - "Somehow Sauron returned"
@@misapheonix Ah, Sauron is "Pickle Rick"!
@@bdleo300 the multiverse of Sauron 💀
Hilarious. But Sauron didn't need a minion to tell him that the Ring fell into lava. He *felt* that.
I mean you're not wrong but I think it's just funnier to think a minion told him
It's a joke bruh...😂
Sir, how are you feeling now that the ring is in the lava of mount doom?
We should request @accolonntv to voice the minion like 40k ork Smahrtyboy Fancypantz
01:05 he was reaching out for him because in the books, Sauron grabbed Gil-Galad by the throat and literally incinerated him alive in front of everyone to demoralise the alliance, he was presumably going to do the same thing to Isildur.
Awesome video though, very funny 👏
Thanks my friend, and thanks for the info. I dunno what's worse though, getting your ass beat with an all powerful swing or reaching out like a numpty... Either way... Looks real bad for our boy
Theres also the case of Sauron only having that mace of his in the movies. He doesnt use ANY weapon other than his hands in the books. ...Gods I wish people doing this sorta stuff would actually read the source material and not just go off of movies for their stuff x-x itd make it a lot more interesting
@@shoulderpyro True, but gotta be honest, the design looks damn cool...as an homage to Morgoth's Grond hammer... also to be noted, both Gil-Galad and Elendil were the prime warriors of their age, Sauron killed them both but he was mortally wounded. I can imagine it was a hell of a fight.
@@shoulderpyro But the point of this video is that it is specifically about the movies, I mean it's in the title.
@@LordTKII While that IS true, it still wants for a version thats true to the actual original lore at least. PJ's trilogy is amazing of course but for the sake of making a watchable movie that doesnt take up most of your daytime a LOT had to be cut or changed, resulting in stuff that doesnt make sense in the Movie's shortened content vs the books' original content.
Like Sauron reaching out with his hand. Movie form; This makes 0 sense. You literally have a mace, why bother reaching out?
Book form: Has no weapons. Is leaving even the greatest warriors of the time heavily injured if not straight up dead simply by touching them.
Take a step back and you realize that the plot of the Second and Third Ages Lord of the Rings is Sauron going "Unlimited Power!!!" And Eru Illuvitar going "You sure about that, son?"
Then EI proceeds to tan Sauron's hide like a redheaded stepchild using only five* hobbits. And EI chose to whip up Hobbits as a race just to troll Sauron.
Basically the Third Age is Illuvitar showing that he can whip Sauron better than Sauron whips his minions with both hands tied behind his back using only his pinky toe.
*Deagol, Sméagol, Bilbo, Frodo, & Sam
10:24, The Witch King dying because of a technicality might be the most ridiculous losses to Sauron, especially in the context of the extended edition for the movies, since he'd summarily beaten Gandalf without much effort, as in an undead mortal beat an angel in the form of a mortal (though you could argue, the Witch King having a Ring Of Power and being in Sauron's service means he's essentially being empowered by a what is essentially an archangel).
They actually made him seem like Sauron's "deadliest servant for just a few moments before some random handmaiden kills his mount and then stabs him in his nonexistent mouth.
I do like that Eowen gets a big kill but she is still of the race of men so she shouldn't be able to kill the witch king. It is ridiculous indeed.
@@origami83in the books. The reason the Witch King was killed in that moment was twofold. It technically has nothing to do with Eowyn being a woman. It was simply prophesied that he would not be killed by a man. He was killed by both a woman and a Hobbit. And that’s the key. It was Merry’s involvement that made the Witch King vulnerable.
Eowyn physically held him off for a short period of time. Witch King gets cocky bcs he thinks he’s fighting a weak man. Meanwhile unbeknownst to him a Hobbit with a magical dagger specifically designed to kill him is sneaking up behind him. Merry stabbing him effectively eliminates all the Witch Kings enchantments making him nearly invincible. Thus giving Eowyn (the primary combatant) the opportunity to deliver the killing blow.
@@josephclinton375 Nice explanation. I would have to look up what the literal propecy was, a man or by men has a different meaning but as you explain it it doesnt matter. Merry was the key.
Didn't the witch king actually die because Merry stabbed him with the barrow blade which rendered him mortal?
@@captainseawolf1 , I'm understanding the lore correctly, something to that effect, weakening his undead form.
In the Silmarillion he was beaten up by a magic talking dog
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in the books it’s more of a L for him since he just assumed the ring is at Rohan and then Gondor, and just was so sure of himself that ignored all the commotion in his land which he can feel what’s happening there.
But he’s like “Nah, isildur’s great great grandson and this Hobbit named pipin have it, people walking deep in my lands are just spies”
Okay now what's kind of important to remember is that sauron is like fully thinking that eragon is the one with the ring
Like the whole point of the story is that sauron overlooks little people and is overly focused on the grandiose tales of kings and Knoebels
But in the end it is just a lowly Hobbit that defeats him while he is distracted by the king he thinks has his ring
So, from what I remembered, I dont think Sauron even knww what a "Hobbit" or "the shire" even were.
In this parody, hed probably ask "what in the hell are you talking about, are you making up worda? The fucks a hobbit?"
1:10 to be fair Sauron reaching out towards Isildur makes sense once you realize he killed High King Gil-Galad of the elves by burning his face with his hand. Also Sauron probably wouldn't know about the movie version's added scene of him denying throwing the ring in the fire, because in both the movies and the books it explicitly says that Sauron doesn't believe anyone would think to destroy it, because he thinks all beings lower than him are too power hungry to resist trying to take it for themselves.
Also Sauron didn't know where the Shire was apparently, sense it didn't exist when the ring was first swiped from him, so that's why he sends black riders to go and find out where the hell it is hence why they ask "Shire....? Baggins...?"
Also the Nazgul were busy during those two thousands years. The Witch King for example in those millennia has done the following; founded the kingdom of Angmar, destroyed the Numernorian kingdom of Arnor, conquered the Gondorian city of Minas Ithil, which was hence forth renamed Minas Morgul, taunted the last king of Gondor into facing him in a one on one duel in which the kings fate is unknown. That's just the Witch King, what the other's were doing is unknown but they likely were busy doing similar things in the East and South.
Also in the books the reason the Nazgul ran away is because they thought since Frodo had been hit by the Morgul Blade it was inevitable that he would become a Nazgul and just sort of hand them the ring on command, and also they aren't immortal, one of them simply has a vague prophecy about his death.
Sauron showed those images to Pippin because at the time Sauron thought that the traitorous Saruman had captured Pippin with the one ring, and that Pippin was using the Palantir at Saruman's command to taunt Sauron into saying "look what I have" and so Sauron was essentially trying to scare Saruman into thinking that Sauron's forces are still greater and will smush him like a bug even with the ring.
You got what he was thinking while they were at the black gate kind of correct, though I may clarify that Sauron thought Aragorn had claimed the ring as an heirloom of his house and planned to wield it against him, hence his delusions of grandeur to face all of Mordor with a couple men and a wizard.
Yeah but Sauron had no clue about Frodo and Sam being in Mordor or even trying to enter Mordor until Frodo put the ring on in Mount Doom, before that he thought Frodo was some kind of scout or spy sent by the fellowship to look for weaknesses in Mordor's defenses.
Bookwise he isn't the most powerful. He was getting his ass handed to him the First Age by Huan a talking dog, The Valar + Morgoth, Gothmog the Balrog, Ungoliant who would eat his ass for lunch, Melian. Second Age he got is ass handed to him by Illuvatar himself and the reason he could never take a fair form after the fall of Numenor.
There’s a reason why Thanos stopped relying on pawns like Loki and Ronan and finally gathered the infinity stones himself.
if it was books from sauron's perspective, it's even more infuriating...there were so many times that frodo/fellowship prevailed/survived by pure "chance"
Because Eru intervened, whole reason why Gollum tripped
Sauron is not an warrior. He's a tactician.
He knows the "send mortals flying with an oversized mace" move
@@Ringerofthelie His signature move was actually burning foes to death with his bare hand. That was Sauron's favourite move.
But, in my opinion, Tolkien made clear what was the power of Sauron (with the ring) in battle. He was exactly two times stronger than the strongest mortal at the time - elf or man. We can confirm that because it took exactly one Gil Galad and one Elendil to tie things up and for the three to die.
But the thing is. I don't think Sauron cared about physical strength. In the movies he kind of goes to battle to show his muscles and his big mace. In the books, he's escaping the field, because his army is fucked. Gil Galad ser that, and intercept him with Elendil. Sauron is like: "god damn, guess I have to battle."
Again, he's a brilliant tactician, not a fighter.
Thats whats so delicious, all his might, power and dark wisdom...and what broughf him down? Three little hobbits and a touch of divine intervention
Sauron kinda just gave the good guys the ring by trying to give Isildur a hand.😂😂😂
@@jaypeadieL611 well, in the book isildur cuts the ring off of saurons corpse
Shame really that's a lot more impressive than reaching out and getting sliced up
@@Nomsynho yes. The movie, good as it is muddles certain details. For instance, why wasnt doom guarded? Well..because sauron knew no one in middle earth had the strength of will to throw the ring in. No one. Not frodo, not gandalf, not galadriel, not even himself. So why guard it? Anyone who came would simply be found and taken by the nazgul. And he did not understand why anyone would. He thought aragorn had the ring. That's why aragorn revealed himself in palantir. Sauron thought pippin was frodo, and gandalf and crew figured that if aragorn revealed himself, sauron would think aragorn took the ring from the hobbit because only someone with the ring would be crazy enough to attack mordor with such a small army. Thus sauron would send his armies to stop aragorn, leaving mordor less guarded improving the odds of Frodo's success. Sauron could not comprehend why anyone would destroy the ring.
What y'all in the comments seem to be forgetting is that for every 4 or 5 military L Sauron took through out the timeline he had a world ending W.
After he made the one ring he dominated about 70% of all middle earth for 1500 year until Numenor intervened, and even when he was captured by Numenor (which he did willingly cuz he knew he could destroy them from the inside) he quickly begins to manipulate the King and takes control over Numenor, which was the mightiest empire ever in the works of Tolkien, it was only after he convinced Numenor to invade the blessed realm that Sauron took his first major L and lost his body due to divine intervention from God himself (and yes, he had already taken quite a few minor L'sz specially with the dwarves and elves but had ultimetly succeded in taking over middle earth so far). Not to mention that by the time of LOTR he had most of the South (Tokien's north Africa) and the Easterlings (Tolkien's middle eastern people) under his commend either by force or diplomacy. Even in the battle of the Pellenor fields (which is probably the most crushing defeat Sauron took during the events of LOTR) was won by a simple yet game changing divine intervention by Eru once again, which was clearing the sky from Sauron's dark clouds to fuck with the orcs, allthough in the movies that detail really isn't that much clear. And finally, in the books he loses by divine intervention AGAIN when Gollum trips and falls, which in the movies looks more like a result of his fight with frodo.
The movies dont really do a good job of showing how Sauron thinks, which i think is actually a good thing for the story telling of the triology, but it also kinda makes him look like an idiot.
Sauron doesnt mind taking a military defeat here and there, he loses an army? sure, he can just rebuild more, but men? elves? they cant. If you take a look at Saurons life he lost a lot more times than he won, but in the grand scheme of things it really didn't metter, for every victory middle earth had over Sauron during theese thousands of years they lost countless soldiers that cannot be replaced, unlike Sauron's orcs which he breeds like rabbits. Even when he himself is "killed" it doesnt metter, not only is he completely immortal but with the one ring he can always make a new body, might take a really long time if the ring is lost but it happens very quickly if the ring is with him. Sauron was confortable with losing battle after battle cuz he was always looking at the big picture, playing the long game, knowing he is gonna win in the end.
The reasons why he loses in LOTR are very nuanced, you can say his biggest mistake was not guarding Mt. Doom but even then Sauron was low-key right not to, he thaught no one could ever resist the willl of the ring and he was right, what he didnt count on however is in one of Tolkien's most important themes "evil always destroys itself", for Sauron himself didnt view him as evil, but as the only one fit for rule, capable of achieving ultimate order, and THAT, was the only mistake that truly defeated Sauron in the grand scheme of things, not being able to realise his own darkness, and by extension not being able to comprehend altruism and self sacrifice.
I didn't realize how bad Sauron was losing from the very beginning😂❤
He's like the embodiment of downbad
He really is the starscream of lotr
BRO FOR REAL I regret not including this joke, I was thinking about this this morning... But for Saruman after he got defeated by the ents
This is what it feels like to be a DM.
Except I'm also simultaneously proud of the players for defeating my evil plans.
For the end:
Evil minion: He fell into the lava so that means.. we're finished
Sauron: WTF*explodes*
Fun and awesome video. I'm a Tolkien nerd, and it's good to see 99% of the other commenters also enjoyed this. Yes, the movies break from the books a bit, but most of us, including me, got into it through the movies, and the video is really funny.
Pretty sure Sauron didn't see his first hobbit in the films until Frodo sat atop Amon Hen. Like he knows far less than you're giving him credit for. It's possible he only saw his first when Pippin looked at the palantir.
He reached for him to make him suffer because the heat from his body burns people to death, as he did earlier in that battle.
what a hilarious presentation,poor Dark Lord,he really needed to hire a better class of minions 😂 this reminds me of a Monty Phyton skit 🤣
I really enjoyed the video! I will note that Sauron did in fact have a body at the time of lord of the rings, and is even suspected of actually torturing Gollum, for at least some of the time, personally. The quotation from Gollum is something like "...he has four fingers on his black hand, but they are enough", implying that he's actually come face to face with Sauron. I know your video was from a movie perspective; even in the movie it could be argued that Sauron did have a body in addition to the shown eye, it was just never seen.
Damn son only 4 fingers? Is that for any particular reason...?
@@NomsynhoBecause the finger holding the Ring he had got cut by Isildur.
@@Nomsynho Like Aenarion said, Isuldur only cut off the one finger (post-humously)
@@Nomsynho And although Sauron grows his body back each time he is defeated, his form is fixed so he can't regrow the finger.
I wish they would have done a few things in the movies more like the books. By changing certain things, they've changed entire characters,making them look dumb or evil when their not. Plus, people don't understand that no one could actually throw the ring in the lava. That's why it has to happen by accident. Even the more powerful characters would fail at this because the ring corrups everyone it's what it does. Some may take longer, but they still will come under it's spell. Plus, how you gain possession of the ring really matters. If you take it by any kind of aggression or violence you've already lost.
I mean i still got a lot more respect for Sauron than for Voldemort because Voldemort put his soul into seven things and still died at like fifty while Sauron only had the ring and lived for thousands of years, still making that ring in hindsight has got to be his greatest mistake ever since it literally became his archilles foot
It literally did not tho, without the ring he cant come back in a new physical form after having his body destroyed, he would simply be a powerless spirit unable to return, thank to the ring he was able to rebuild his body not once but 3 times, something no other maiar have ever done, the ring is the reason sauron was able to come back 3 times while all the balrogs were destroyed permanently
I like the conversation style of this video.
That was great, but I wanted to hear the part where the Nazgul trapped the dying hobbit at the fords near Rivendale, and got slaughtered--horses and all--by a flood. Then their spirits had to come back to Sauron to be reconstituted.
Also, I wanted to hear the part where the underling says, "Oh, uh, the Balrog died." Sauron gets to say, "Wait, nine-odd idiots made it through Morea, escaped my half-million goblins, and killed the 5000+ year old Balrog, the only other living demon who served me with under Melchior?" "Uh, yes sir?" "Really, did we get any of them?" "Well, we think the Balrog got the wizard. They fell off the top of the mountain and made a pretty big boom." "And did you check?" "Well, we found the Balrog's bones, but we saw a giant eagle carrying away the wizard's corpse, no doubt to eat."
This was good you should do more like this with different villains.
Your wish is my command
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@@Nomsynho thank you for listening and for the heart! ❤️
@@Nomsynho Death from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish.
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as the great philosopher Homer Simpson said… “DOH!!!” 😅
"The Nazgul have just been sitting around for the last two thousand years..."
Nah Man they were very busy wreaking the world, it's arguable the real dark lord of the 3rd age was the Witch King and his kingdom of Angmar. Sure he answered to Sauron, but then again Sauron being the Dark Lord of the 2nd age, who in turn answered to Morgoth.
Not what i was expecting, but honestly this was a very fun video.
Expect the unexpected. Glad to know it was a fun video
Yes, but that's kinda the point. Sauron is a Maiar, follower of the Valar, Morgoth, and has spent thousands of years honing his manipulation skills to the point that even thinking that you want to destroy your enemy will tempt you to give him more power over you. So being a godlike being, he wouldn't expect an insignificant, powerless child would be the means by which Illuvitar would bring about your demise.
Just… just build a bloody door or wall into Mt. Doom and say “NEVER OPEN THIS DOOR UNLESS ITS ME WALKING IN OR OUT, nobody else has ANY business near this volcano!”
Btw- your hilarious, I’m subbing :p
The point of the story TLOTR is never underestimate the little guy.
Sauron needs a camomille
I am loathe to bring up The Rings of Power, but the actor who plays Sauron (who loves playing him and has a LOT of respect for the character and has done a lot of research into obscure details so I’d say he knows him fairly well) said that if he had any advice for his character it would be to “just chill out for a bit,” lol.
From Sauron's perspective, the Uruk-Hai weren't so much an invention of Saruman as they were a result of Saruman illegally improving on a patent Sauron (as Morgoth's inheritor) owned at the time..
"Hes not picking up his Palantir" had me dyieng xD like a freakin Phone call :D
I always thought it was a little bit of a lost opportunity that Gollum simply tripped and fell in the lava. I think it would have been just a bit more like fate taking a hand if he could have slipped on Frodo's blood/bloody finger - like a just reward for his broken promise to his master and to the ring.
For the palantir: he didn’t know Isengard fall, he through that Saruman was torturing the ring bearer with the palantir so he showed vision of Minas tirith destroyed to break his mind as punishment for using the ring, than he send a nazgul to retrieve the ring ( funny to image the nazgul arriving excepting everything except saruman under siege without the ring and the palantir )
The only way this could be funnier is if 'MMM WHATCHA SAAYYYY' played when the ring got destroyed.
Instead of Rings Of Power they could have made LOTR parody like this
They actually got his personality and motives pretty close. The timeline and plot is MASSIVELY compressed, but the wandering around moping and feeling sorry for himself, his considering going good for five seconds before fully committing to the Dark Lord bit, and the storyline of his manipulating the Elves into creating the Rings is about as accurate as a book-to-tv/film adaptation typically gets. You see a lot of people saying they watch entirely for Sauron, and part of it is the actor’s portrayal, but I think a BIG factor is the fact that out of everything, his story and character most closely follows Tolkien’s works (even though the dialogue and individual events feel like they were written by AI). Staying true (ish) to the writings of one of the most beloved storytellers of the 20th century and it works!? Imagine that!
A pair of guards at the gate of mount doom would have sufficed.
Having Saruman as an ally was kind of a lose lose situation for Sauron. Even if Saruman had succeeded in capturing the Ring he would have used it himself and replaced Sauron as the Dark Lord. I don’t think Sauron really thought that scenerio out properly
Yeah i always thought sauron must have been like no fuckin way when frodo put the ring on. Because he thought no living being had the ability to willingly destroy it.
the hand to isildur because he try to kill him . is hand with the ring is pure fire
poor sauron you really empatize with him, he's a leader surrounded by incompetent servants
You wait for my Firelord Ozai video...
Poor Sauron. It’s so hard to find good workers these days 😂
I feel for Sauron, bro. If they just did as he said, there would be peace in all the lands. Instead, he gets bullied for 4,000 years for being a little goth. Shame, man. And they wonder why he lashed out.
well,the Cardinals defeated the 49ers today,so anyone even a Demi-God can be taken down with a lucky punch 🤔
You said it would be unexpected, and it trully was XD
Again, a very nice one, cant wait for Alice in wonderlands from the rabbit pov or stuff like that 😂
The fall of Sauron was ironically comical ... from a certain point of view. Especially since most of his essence was poured into the one ring.
What about that one guy who isn’t affected by the ring😂
This video showed up on my recommended list. I'm glad I decided to watch it because it made my day. I thought it was hilarious and because of that I'm subscribing to your channel. I also had to share the video with my daughter who loves LOTR too. 😊
Took me 30 seconds to realize how genius it is to view the world through Sauron’s eyes. I belly laughed after it set in.
You do realize Sauron was an arrogant flog and wanted to burn ma boi Isildur's face off right? Like the real Sauron beat them like bear handed and burned Elrond with his hand, think Nomsy think! He beat the best elf and Isildur's daddy there was no way some boy can beat him. *cue finger chop*
I thought Sauron just wanted to give him a hand when Isildur fell down😂
In hindsight I regret not making this joke
Nice vid. One thing though, didn't Sauron think Pipin had the ring? He would have had no idea about the significance of halflings caught at cirith ungol.
Honestly, it's probably pretty hard to say, the books will give a better go at it I'm sure, but I didn't want to do a thing about the books while using the movies as clips because they're quite different from each other in terms of characterisation and plot
9:47 that sure looks like a Hapless Loser to me...
Incomplete Sauron faught Aragorn at the black gate in the books
No he didn't. Gandalf said Sauron might appear in person at the very end (to gloat), but he never gets that chance. They did shoot a scene of this for the movie but never finished the CGI for it.
To be fair, If I was (movie) Sauron, a Maiar spirit in a BIG metal body, who could make dozens of soldiers fly with a single swing. Crushing a royal with a "bare" hand sounds kinda hardcore. (if he succeeded) so why NOT be a bit theatrical?
"I crushed lineages of Kings with my barehands."
"Sir, that was one time"
"SILENCE! It was epic! Now, sing again of my victory!"
My guess is that Sauron was planning on lifting Isildur up for the whole army to see (which is why he was reaching out towards him), then he was gonna bash him with the mace, which would likely take the fight out of the rest of the army.
He didn’t want to just beat Isildur, he wanted to make a show of it.
Something very important from Sauron of the books are two very important things what explain how Sauron was defeated:
-Sauron, a prideful being, and only consider those who he thinks are "powerfull", like Aragorn and Gandalf. Case in point he does not bother to even know the name of the Hobbits
-Sauron, a being obsesed with power, could NOT conceive the possibility that someone might want to destroy the One ring, rather than use
This are the two things Eru, the God of LotR , and Gandalf used agaisnt Sauron. The entire Trilogy was a giant goose chase game masked as a race agaisnt time.
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I’d imagine Sauron would be so happy that he just has to stop by hobbiton to get the ring and not a whole dungeon under an entire kingdom. Just the easiest grab ever… and ur own dark paladins cannot catch them and lose them. And now u have to find them… and they still keep getting away… and eventually a king gets it… and he goes to war with u… and ur in ur tower waiting for ur army to overwhelm them… and then he succumbs to the ring and hol on sec u turn around and THE HOBBIT HAS IT AGAIN AND IS LITERALLY INSIDE MT DOOM
Btw this is book Sauron. He’s alive, he came back as a necromancer and died again and returned again but knows a hobbit bilbo found it and took it from a crackhead. And Sauron just sits in his tower, prob in terrible shape, just waiting for the ring to make its way to him. And he thought Aragorn had the ring after seeing him in the palantir
It's actualy thought Sauron never even knew the shire existed, and in fact, many didn't know the shire existed. Sauron may have known the lands by a different name, long before hobbits inhabited it, so he was actually fumbling around in the dark. He probably didn't even know hobbits were a race of halflings, and may have just assumed that the ring-bearer was some normal dude before learning of hobbits.
I really want to see him do Avengers from Thanos’ perspective.
But MORE than that I want to see him cover the Pilgrim’s Progress from Apolyon’s perspective.
- It was really weird to begin with that Sauron would turn off the invisibility feature while wearing the ring in that fight. I mean sure, do a menacing showy entrance but then just dissapearing in front of them before they all start gettting bashed around is way more badass than what he did.
"He died because of a technicality?!" 😂
ACKTHUALLY:
It was marry striking him with the enchanted blade that broke the spell protecting the witch king. Merry is the one who made him vulnerable.
Eowyn just delivered the final blow.
I love this video, but he gets a-lot wrong.
To be fair, the movies handwaved alot of the fine details. Like sauran getting the ring cut wasnt until he was nearly defeated by heros from elfdom and humanity.
Also sauron wasnt destroyed when the ring was destroyed. He was depowered and trapped in the beyond.
THIS, was, SO entertaining. Looking forward to more.
You know what the power of Sauron was? Propaganda. He created a mythical marketing campaign. He was not all that. The ring was not so all powerful as it seemed . He was beaten by Gil Galad and Elendil, an elf and an old man, while he WAS wearing the One Ring! yep, he killed both of them, but that was his limit, an even king with diminished powers because the curse of morgoth over middle earth, and a retired sailor with a shine blade that he broke.
😂this some comedic gold, Smaug is jealous.
12:17 to be fair they did go to tell him- leaving the hobbit completely alone and unguarded in that building to go and tell someone they found (cough meat cough) a hobbit did happen!
Isildur wasn’t being selfish, Sauron made it physically impossible for someone to destroy the ring on purpose. The way it happened is basically the only way it could have been destroyed.
A lot have been cut from the opening battle due to time constraints. In the original script Sauron used telekinesis to lift Gil-Galad in the air (with the reaching out gesture) and then burst him into flames. Then he killed Elendil and finally went for the same telekinesis move on Isildur... who surprised him by cutting of his fingers with the broken Narsil.
In the books Sauron is defeated in combat by Gil-Galad, Elendil and Isildur. With only Isildur surviving the fight and taking the ring from Sauron's dead body.
As the destruction of the ring goes... NO ONE not Isildur, Elrond, Frodo or Golum could ever destroy the ring. The One Ring has simple too much influence over its wielder to allow its own destruction. Ring was literally destroyed by the act of God (Eru-Ilúvatar the same God who brought Gandalf back) by making Golum fall into the lava.
You may not like it... but that's how Tolkien wrote it.
Well that would've made things so much better for our lord of darkness or at least made him look a little less foolish, but it's goddamn hilarious what they ended up creating from their time constraints, don't get me wrong I love the movies I think they're masterpieces, but I just find them goddamn hilarious if you just take them at face value. The point of my video was to poke fun at the direction of the movies not the lore and books of Tolkien
A minor nitpick: Sauron is defeated (or "brought down") by Elendil and Gil-Galad, not Isildur, although Sauron isn't "dead" at that point. When Isildur cuts the ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of Narsil he is vaquished and his spirit flees his body - so it isn't that far from what happens in the film, except that in the book Sauron is fallen and Isildur standing rather than the other way round, the method to "kill" Sauron was the same, namely removing the ring from his hand
@@exantiuse497 you might be right... I haven't read the book for 15 years or so.
@@Nomsynho I agree that few extra shots in the opening scene would not extend the runtime that much. Maybe its was more about keeping the pace going and not get hang around on individual fight between Gil-Galad and Sauron. But It is surely something they should have do for the extended version... It is what it is.
Clearly the film is showing the end of the fight.
I've been saying this for years. As powerful as Sauron is, especially in the context of Middle-Earth by the late Third Age, the truth is, he has been the Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes for thousands of years. He is like an errant late 20th century punk, raging against the powers that be. I've done the same thought exercise (except from the First Age onward) and seeing exactly how many times Sauron had been messed around by fate itself. It ultimately comes down to the nature of how the Free Peoples were supposed to win their victory over Sauron.
If you think about it, Eru could descend at any time he so felt like, and crushingly defeat Sauron without even trying. Maybe he could do it with a single thought or word. A gesture. Anything, it doesn't particularly matter. Sauron can't defeat Eru. In a way, Sauron is like rebellious son. The Lucifer comparison is often made. I'd say Lucifer was Melkor, but Sauron is the greatest acolyte of Melkor.
I'm aware that the claim that Sauron is the most powerful of the Maiar, is challenged. He has been defeated before (though these seem to be Maiar with comparable power to Sauron, where Sauron's own is moot if he has become weakened by recent defeat) *Eönwë* or *Ilmarë* could be stronger from a _certain point of view_ and it's fair to say Eönwë was likely the best _fighter_ of the Maiar. And just as Melkor feared Tulkas (the best fighter of the Valar), Sauron likely feared Eönwë. But perhaps just as Tulkas was not necessarily the greatest of the Valar, the same could be said of the greatest fighter of the Maiar (?) On paper, it can be debated this or that way. In context, Sauron had just survived the War of Wrath and wasn't necessarily about to be in the best form to get into an all out fight with Eönwë. Sauron's overall powers were generally deemed greater.
I'm seeing comments here dismissing Sauron's power as lesser because of defeats, though these all ought to be contextualised. Yes, Elendil and Gil-galad defeated him (together, sacrificing themselves in the process) Yes, Huan the Hound of Valinor (a great wolfhound magically imbued with godly strength, one of the Vala Oromë's hunting dogs (albeit originally belonging to Celegorm, one of the Sons of Fëanor -- also specifically given prophetic purpose (in direct significance to one of Sauron's forms; that of a great Werewolf)
People are saying a Dog beat Sauron like that's some small thing. In all fairness to Sauron, Huan was a super-powered wolfhound the size of a horse, given god powers and Eowyn-style purpose via prophecy (in her case, to defeat the Witch-King, in Sauron's case, to defeat the greatest Werewolf aka Sauron's Werewolf form) Huan was quite literally, purposefully fated to defeat Sauron (another rake, right in Sideshow Sauron's face)
If the Valar and Eru were 'miffed' (to put it mildly) at Fëanor and Fingolfin of the Noldorin, going into Middle-Earth against their wishes, and with this causing a cascade of misfortunes for the Eldar involved, playing out over several thousand years, then _what do you think they think about Sauron the Deceiver_ whom goes around supporting Melkor, turning into werewolf form and serpent form and all kinds of other forms? What level of FUBAR bad luck do you think the powers that be had in store for Sauron? It was bad, very bad. Sauron was basically on the naughty list forever, no backsies and was doomed to a fate, _worse than_ death (and let's face it, aspects of Sauron had 'died' many times. Huan did, yes, 'kick Sauron's ass' but that was still a tough fight (and Huan still had some help from Lúthien's magic)
That said, in all fairness, in turn, to Huan, he didn't just fight Sauron at Tol-in-Gaurhoth (the clue is in the meaning of the name of that dread-fortress that used to be a nice place; the Isle of Werewolves) Well, he and Lúthien's walked right in there. Huan (with help from Lúthien's magic) defeated _every single one_ of Sauron's werewolves. Absolutely destroying all of them. How many that is, is unknown. It's also unclear if any Orcs were present but I guess Orcs wouldn't exactly be in their element in a fortress garrisoned by a bunch of Werewolves. My guess would be, Sauron could walk amongst them but Orcs were not exactly safe from them. Huan just absolutely wiped out all the Werewolves _then_ took on Sauron whom transformed into the most terrifying Werewolf in the world (and still won)
Before Huan defeated Sauron in giant Werewolf form, he'd already defeated Draugluin, the _First_ Werewolf. The First Age was a bit of a mood or phase for Sauron, as he was into sticking bad spirits into various subjects and seeing what happened. He was something of an experimenter of cruel ways and making new monsters. Sort of like a mad scientist or a general testing new weapons of war for Melkor. Draugluin was one of Sauron's experiments essentially. One of his 'creations'. A nightmare itself, of course. Huan still slew Draugluin, the grandsire of all Werewolves ever in Tolkien (and possibly also all the Wargs, too) Sauron's Werewolf phase was very much in evidence in the First Age and he was full on fiending at Tol-in-Gaurhoth. That which had once been Tol Sirion, an Elven fortress, was overrun by Sauron and Draugluin, and then he got to work.
Basically, Huan and Lúthien's with her magic, completely defeated the entire Werewolf horde at Tol-in-Gaurhoth. Sauron fled. This would not be the last time Sauron ran away, or the last time he got defeated. Again, this _still_ doesn't mean he isn't the greatest of the Maiar by raw power (especially looking at his origins) However, like Melkor, he frittered away his power in a sense, and became weaker. In Sauron's case, that was very pronounced after he lost his fair form Annatar, following the events of the Akallabeth near the end of the Late Second Age (the Downfall of Númenor) Sauron had allowed for that to be the case. It was the one way for Sauron to defeat Númenor.
Sauron the Super Sigma had accepted he simply could not defeat Númenor at warfare (Mordor stood zero chance against the true might of a united Númenor, even _without_ all those Elves helping, so Sauron changed his strategy, allowing himself to be captured and then using his manipulation skills to worm his way into arrogant Ar-Pharazon's ear; whom had already lost the plot ego wise after Sauron - a demi-god - was seen to openly kneel in surrender to him inside Mordor) There was simply nothing Sauron could do to stop the grand armies of Númenor it simply wasn't a contest at that point.
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[2/2] Sauron pivoted to subvert Númenor on a political and societal level, and that was the end of that, really. The price was Sauron's corporeal form as Annatar, which he could _never_ take on again. He was a broken, desperate thing, resorting to that to sabotage Númenor and to reduce himself to imbuing oversized armour to compensate for his considerable loss. And the Rings of Power were that as well, compensation and improvement of the powers he had lost and the powers he still had, like focusing lenses to exert his will over the peoples of Middle-Earth. Viewing it from the perspective of the Valar, what Sauron was doing was both insane, and ultimately, pathetic. Still a massive problem for the mortals and even the immortals still fighting him in the Second and Third Ages (especially the latter), though he was still basically resorting to lesser and lesser gains at terrible cost.
Strategically, Sauron's grasp of war is also questionable, as in spite of thousands of years of wars, he seems spectacularly, uncannily unfortunate in war (almost as if he was never meant to win, hmmm) The sum total of his behaviour is essentially that of a destructive, tyrannical monster that got less and less powerful over time. Compared to mortals, he was still terrifying even when weakened. But the fact Gandalf the Grey drove the Necromancer (Sauron in hiding) from Dol Guldur _alone_ that time, shows that he really had fallen from grace (no offence to Gandalf, whom is still my favourite character of all)
The simple fact was, Sauron was the most powerful of the Maiar (originally) Whether he still was at the end of the First Age, when Eönwë was sent to apprehend him, is unclear. We can't really judge Sauron in that moment for being a bit unwilling to get into a duel with Eönwë. Huan was Sauron's Werewolf form's nemesis by prophecy. Carcharoth, the greatest wolf ever (besides Sauron's shapeshifted Werewolf form) was to be mutually mortally wounded with Huan, and that was while Huan had help from Beren and Mablung etc. The implication could be that if Sauron wasn't cursed to lose that fight in his Werewolf form, then he could have otherwise slain Huan.
As much as Huan is cool and everything, I think that makes sense. If not for being granted certain powers, then Huan would just be a very large wolfhound the size of a horse (incredible, yes, but still fighting daemonic fallen angel Sauron in giant Werewolf form; it was his high intelligence, literally at talking Dog level (although he was only allowed to talk three times before he died) Morgoth/Melkor _made_ Carcharoth stronger as the greatest of Draugluin's offspring, to be some predestined monster to defeat Huan; Carcharoth, literally becoming what he did, simply because Melkor wanted him to destroy
Another idea I have seen is that Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs is the most powerful Maiar, but I think that is absolutely not true at all, and there is zero evidence for making such a claim. Ecthelion of the Fountain of Gondolin, defeated Gothmog, and convincingly. It cost him his life to do it, but there you go. Could Ecthelion defeat peak Sauron? Doubt it. Sauron from the Dagorlad Plain? Doubt it but maybe.
How does Ecthelion of the Fountain, stood in his own city, guarding that fountain, compare to Elendil and Gil-galad (combined or separately) if suddenly sent to the Late Second Age and from Gondolin to Dagorlad Plain or the slopes of Mount Doom otherwise? Who knows. It's not like there is a quantifiable system in place to see, dare I say, exact 'power levels'. It would be unimaginable for a Hobbit to slay Sauron in combat, though a Hobbit did defeat Sauron in the end. Two Hobbits. And Gollum, technically. But there you go.
I personally think giga-chad Eönwë would be a sight to behold, as he duelled Sauron (if both were at full-strength) Sauron's power isn't all about combat though, so Eönwë (whom is still as powerful as he ever was, because good guys don't finish last in Tolkien, mostly anyway) He could probably defeat Sauron throughout most of Middle-Earth history. I am not sure that if Sauron was geared up for a fight and full-empowered, that he would be so easily defeated. On paper, the herald and fighting champion of Manwë, would overwhelm Sauron. Sauron whom is more like an all rounder, inventor, sorcerer and warlock. A tyrant and a deceiver. He's more of a politician, in those regards. Politician, meets inventor.
Sauron is likely more powerful and better than Eönwë at a broader range of things. Could Sauron at his best defeat Gothmog? Probably. Could Sauron ever defeat Ungoliant? No. But if a flock of Balrogs can scare even the superpowered form of Ungoliant off, then Sauron could at least be strong enough to hold his own against her for a while, like any of the Balrogs in the line of thought. If Gandalf the Grey can defeat Durin's Bane in a battle that takes 8 days for Gandalf to win (at the cost of his own life) then Sauron at his best would easily defeat Durin's Bane and do so without dying. This makes sense. What doesn't make sense, is the entirety of the Rings of Power series.
Sauron the moron never failed to impress with his buffoonery !
At least Morgoth had Glaurung to earn the Angband brand some actual villain cred !
Mortal Kombat from Shao Khan's Perspective
Almost makes you feel bad for Sauron 😅
I like in the books Sauron doesnt even know wtf the Shire or Hobbits are lol
Sauron reaches out with his hand because he can burn you with his hands I think the elf High king was killed by his hands that burned him
Yeah but in the context of the movie with no knowledge or prior set up, it's such a funny thing to do
Been awhile i read the books themselves, but i recently heared about difference between movie & book, that the latter had no dramatic scene of cutting the finger off in combat, but it happend after combat, to take trophies of the fallen
Some of your commentary reminds me of The Mighty Boosh
Great stuff
You forgot the part where he practically got his physical form back in the Hobbit but got destroyed by Galadriel