11 Days to Kadesh Barnea: A Clue to Mount Sinai's Location?
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Does the mention of Kadesh Barnea being an eleven day journey from Horeb in Deuteronomy 1:2 give us an indication of where we should be looking for Mount Sinai? How well do the various Mount Sinai candidates line up with the criteria laid out in this verse and is there any mountain in particular that stands above the rest?
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Deut. 2:14 "And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them." Blessings!
The logical leaps that several of these are making are impressive. They require "as the crow flies" rather than accounting for known travel routes, that Moses is referring to the whole of Israel traveling together, a completely warped effort to reinterpret or retranslate the text (non-peer reviewed), and they all lack physical evidence than can be found at certain candidate sites.
As anyone who's an avid hiker knows (I just returned from Yosemite last week), the idea that any traversed distance translates to "as the crow flies" *distance* is laughable.
I've seen four mile hikes completed in an hour, and six mile hikes completed in eight hours. Terrain (and to a lesser degree weather) mean EVERYTHING.
Justified comment except, back in those days they were a hell of a lot fitter. 2. The roads are established, note..
Roads, not tramping tracks for hiker's.
If you want some awesome hikes, come and apply your avid-ness here down under...! Except, we hike in kilometres, we don't use that archaic shit....
@@FlyingKiwi1968 fit 30 year olds, sure. But 6 and 70 year olds - certainly some with injuries and pregnancies - who are that fit?
With God everything is possible.@@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs
Josephus and other ancient historians say that Kadesh Barnea was at Rekem which is Petra, which fits with Moses stating that they were at a city at the southern border with Edom.
I really enjoyed this one.
Hello - have you not seen Ron Wyatt's video's taken of Mt Sinai in Saudi Arabia? Other videos also show the same mountain but also show the areas where the alter was and the areas used to penn the sheep etc. There is also Hebrew markings / pictographs on the rocks at the base. Please have a look, we believe this has already been solved. R Wyatt has also found the crossing where the Pharoah and his lot lost their lives, the remnant of their chariot are fossilized and are on video for All to see. Mt Sinai in SA is black from the fire that scorched it, but turn the rocks over, and they are still their original colour.
Jebel Al-Lawz has both physical and visible evidence, as well as evidence of other events that happened near Sinai. I would not, however, cite Ron Wyatt as a trustworthy source of information. None of his other discoveries have been verified, and many require intense leaps of faith, such as the purported discovery of the Ark of the Covenant. While I would love for his discoveries to be true, most of them outside of Jebel Al-Lawz have not been confirmed by anyone else despite efforts to do so. There was a video recently attempting to find the same evidence of the crossing site - though to me personally that site makes the most physical sense. The only other discovery that I believe has been confirmed by other archaeologists are the potential locations of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Please understand I'm not trying to trash Ron Wyatt, but just point out that many of his claimed discoveries have not been seen by others that were not in his direct employ. One of the biggest challenges for Ron Wyatt is that he also never made any of his discoveries or information obtained available for other archaeologists available to be verified by others. Basically, nothing was every verified or peer reviewed, and none of his searches were ever done in a legally licensed excavation.
my 1st ep on this channel, very interesting. thanks!
I hope you upload Dr. Fritz's sessions about geographical and historical sources related to the location of Mt. Sinai. Fantastic production and team! God bless everyone.
It took Elijah 40 days to run from Mt Carmel to Mt Sinai . Why not get some athletes to test which mountains fit this description ?
Don’t forget, this was a large group of people with children, elderly, and animals. I don’t think they could do twenty miles a day.
Unless maybe God helped them? You know, like shoes not wearing out, etc? All these comments so far tend to leave God out of the equation.
I wouldn't lean on Robert Alter's translation of Scripture. In an interview he stated that scholarship long ago agreed in the document hypothesis: that the first five books of the Bible had different sources. Tim Mahoney did a good job of showing that Moses is most likely (i believe he definitely is) the sole (human) author of these five books in the Moses Controversy. In that same interview Alter also challenges the understood meaning of man being made in the image of GOD.
Alter is taking "image" as in our human physical make up, so serms ridiculous to the faithless as they see all the different people's around the world.
BUT... We are all the same, genetically
"Image", replace that word (for explanation only), with facsimile.
God made us all genetically a facsimile of Himself, but also we're a spiritual being unlike animal's.
@@FlyingKiwi1968 'We are made in the image of GOD' means that we have spirit. Never trust one man's translation of Scripture. Committees are best endowed for this task.
To place Kadesh Barnea west of the Jordan River makes no sense if Joshua Crossed the Jordan to enter Cannan.
Interesting...
Most people already know where Mount Sanai is. I don’t understand why we are still looking for it? And it was obviously volcanic and had an eruption during that time. That narrows it down a bit, right?
The terrain also suits the Sinai Peninsula, don't 4get. Shur was 'in front of Egypt' where the Amalekites attacked the Israelites nearing Mt Sinai.
I am very grateful for your ministry and I watched just about all the videos you post but on this I'm sorry I have to disagree they were not allowed into the land not because they didn't believe but because of their Disobedience same as Moses he disobeyed when he smoked the Rock and that was why he was not allowed in
1:39 Of cause it is the time for 1 person and not 3.000.000 people.
Very interesting. So. 383 km from the traditional Sīnaī to Qādēsch Barneaʿ according to Google Maps fits perfectly. So she is right, that it could be 1 sentence and she is definitely right in 2 points. It is not the mountain in ʿarabīya as-saʿūdīya and no brackets.
Midejān is in ʿarabīya as-saʿūdīya, yes, bet the Midejānīm lived on the Sīnaīpeninsula too. The sea cow (thachasch is not badger), who's leather was used for the tent of gathering (or meeting) lives in the south of the peninsula. The Jissrāʾēlīm wandered long enough (38 years) arround the mountain.
1606-1566 before our timecalculation.
Walking a huge crowd 20 miles a day seems a heck of a stretch.
Read Galatians 4:25
Jabal Al lawz is the real site. they found the site where Moses smote the rock, as well as the site used to build the Ark of the Covenant.
The best proof I've seen,in Saudi Arabia.
Forgoten by the jewish people, but didnt Solomon make pillars at the believed sites to commemerate the event.
Yes at the Red Sea crossing on both sides but that’s not Mt Sinai but Nuweva Beach. Moses was told to return to Midian where he was watching the flocks of Jethro when he saw the burning bush on the mountain.
Look up Ron Wyatt here and you can see the real Mt Sinai with the golden calf Altar the scarifice herding corral and the Split rock. Also ark discovery and Jim and Penny Caldwell who found the sites independently of Wyatt. There was also a dr to the Saudi Prince who found it.
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And he said, The LORD came --from-- to Sinai, [point C] and rose up from Seir [point A] unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, [point B, in betwixt] and he *came with* ten thousands of saints [angels]: from his right hand went a fiery law for the.
{Deuteronomy 33:2}
In summary,
-- Seir [Edom]: point A is North
-- Mt. Paran [Arabia]: point B is South of Seir, and North of Mt. Horeb.
-- Mt. Horeb [Arabia]: is South from Mt. Paran, and South from Seir.
But they sinned at mt horeb, they went 40 yrs in the Arabian desert
The most convincing evidence I've seen is in Saudi Arabia mt jubals.
A very healthy and fit adult who is used to walking... is not encumbered with any great weight... and is wearing very solid footwear... and is walking over even terrain ... could manage 20 miles in a day. Even more.
But what about someone who is not all that fit... in their middle years... carrying water and provisions (something like 10 kgs / 20 lbs or so...? )
Considerations of terrain, temperature, wind, rain, etc all need to be factored in.
Been fact they were all fitter back then, it would be 35km per day AVERAGE
Be also that they were well established routes.
A fit human walks at 4km/hour
So just under 9 hours, 35km (20 miles).
Daybreak 6am to noon they can do 24km (6 x 4). A midday siesta (heat). Now they only have a 11km stretch left (2.75 hours).
So, probably 2pm to 5pm, or even 3 - 6pm they've completed the 35km (20 miles).
What should have happened in 11 days took 40 years because of spiritual warfare. Ha satan and his demons didn't not want to let Yahweh's people go. This is Paul's revelation in Ephesians 6:10-18 speaks to, in part. Did the Hebrews have challenges of faith? Did they rebel? Yes but Lev 17:7 and Deut 32:17 give s a glimpse of the real battle. The real battle was, is and will always be spiritual. We do not war against flesh and blood but . . . This is why ha satan (Lucifer) sits on Mount Moriah today proclaiming he has defeated YHVH, after Isaiah 14. Still, this is a good academic debate.
Bani Israel was an Arabic tribe lived in Yemen along with bani yahuda and amonites and canaanites and philistines and many other Arabic tribes. Bani Israel never ever been in Egypt in Sinai in Jordan and in Palestine.
Interesting, but wrong! the locations of Mt Seir, Horeb, Hazerot and Lavan are incorrect and whoever created this map doesn't know anything about biblical geography.