Questioning the Timeline of the Ancient World
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Tim, I just wish that you would have asked these Egyptologists "If you discovered that the Egyptian chronology was off by a substantial amount, would you rather take a stand and risk your reputation, or would you rather not 'rock the boat'?
Lol they would. But the flip side is the other side never accepts the finding and say it's an conspiracy 😅
Cracks me up that archaeologists never listen to anybody else and are always right, except they could never agree with each other 🤔. I believe that we do not have the entire story correct. Good video
So many people rely on the appeal to authority logical fallacy (Phd's know best). they can't let non-elitists appear correct because it tears down their power structure.
If you want the true timeline for our human history, you can find it clearly documented in historic records - the true timeline for our Earth, our human history and the true timeline for our stars is all documented - by our ancestors, going back through history - they tell us that historians, archaeologists, geologists, volcanologists, glaciologists and astronomers are a pack of insane lunatics that don't know the difference between guessing games and reality.
There are very few humans that go around thinking they are wrong or could be wrong. No one is humble enough, least of all people with higher education and/or elitists.
@@ethelbertschnitzelesser1214appealing to authority isn't a fallacy....... A FALSE appeal to authority is a fallacy. Is it fallacious to listen to your doctor?
@@jasonmain6398Yes.
Professing to be wise they became fools. Keep up the great work!!!
L ok
Great work by wise professor's who's fooling who
It's hard to imagine how anyone can postulate the likely timelines and dates of events in the Ancient World, but Patterns of Evidence is doing a credible job at reckoning with these issues, and I am grateful to them for their efforts.
Wow, When I studied art and art history in the early 1970's our Professors and lecturers taught us that the Egyptian time periods were misscalculated! It's old news!
yeah it says that. its about fixing it. the show is the man explaining how to fix that completely. ....boomers even liked your boomer comment!
I agree. It is a bit misleading to say that Rohls timeline "fixes" it. It doesn't take a genius to see that the Exodus happened much further back in time than the 13th century BC just going by the Biblical account. To Rohl's credit he is right about how we need to reevaluate how we place these events in history as it is very important for us to learn from the past and to do so from a correct perspective.
@tobe There is no evidence that the Exodus took place. At any time period you want to name. The evidence is that it didn't. The Israelis looked. Hard. They didn't find it when the had the run of the Sinai peninsula for all those years.
If you read Numbers as a fundamentalist, without strained apologetics (that don't really work), you end up with far too many people not to leave traces. In fact, it's not even clear that so many people can march from one campsite to another in a single day.
Even if you assume a smaller group, as some apologists do, it's still a long period of time to leave no discernable trace for a group that later conquered a wide area. People shed stuff all the time, not always intentionally, and we can find things when they do. If you've ever been to any kind of dig site, you'll see that humans just plain shed stuff.
Moreover, they would have had to have figured out some kind of waste dump which would leave a concentrated record.
Even charcoal left over from campfires (or whatever they did burn) would leave traces.
Not to mention all the people that died -- the Bible makes it very clear there were a lot of people to bury -- a whole generation's worth. Bones survive pretty well in a desert environment. Even if predation happened, plenty of recognizable human bones would be there, all over in fact, even if some were broken.
The Israelis knew all of this and more. They still came up empty. Here, you can prove a negative, because when the scripture tells you evidence should be abundant and there is none, then it didn't happen.
@@tobe2btobe There was no exodus mosses never existed the jew were never enslaved
@@tobe2btobe1513 B.C.E.
"hasn't been formerly trained in Egyptology" simply means hasn't been trained to accept our findings as infallible"
Exactly. If you expressed any misgivings during that formal training then you were flunked out of the program, and still "didn't receive any formal training."
Unbelievers will do everything to not validate God's word.
And the father of lies, that mighty force in the unseen realm, will aid them in that.
i saw the first part but never got to see the second part. Now i can share this with everyone who went with me to see part one. Thank you
The fact that archaeology was disregarded and a special field called Egyptology was created to protect their sacred timelines is all the proof you need that Anything from Egyptology should be highly questioned and considered faults until proven so by archaeologists worldwide
Many egyptologists staked their careers on the "interpretations" of their predecessors & go into attack mode on those using new discoveries which conflict with their theories. Any science which relies on such "interpretations" is a Social Science, rather than an Exact Science, so it relies on Logical Induction, rather than the more reliable Logical Deduction.
This is earth shattering! This means the possibility of the Bible as we know it may not be accurate.
I always thought that the Bible may have errors in it and subsequent authors of books may have based their testimony on flawed data. Or may have changed it to make it fit. Maybe the council of Nicea changed a few things?
Uncovering our true past is/will be quite the double edged sword. Good luck to us all.
@@jbizzle1966 the council changed a lot you can actually go online now and read the Dead Sea scrolls which were written and buried before the council of nicea and everything in the Bible actually comes from Mesopotamia the epic of Gilgamesh is the original story of Noah
this is nothing compared to the hoops creationists have to jump through
The term everyone is looking for in this clip is, 'academic dogma'.
The comment by Kent Weeks starting around 8:20 shows exactly what the problem is: if one was to change the chronology of the egyptian history, it would also have to be accepted by scholars from all the other eastern and near eastern studies - in other words, such a change will face the combined "fight-back" of everybody who has ever published or worked in those areas.
This is probably the best explanation why archeology narratives and timelines hardly ever change - there are too many people involved who published books, made their thesis or held conferences on false bases.
But wouldn’t they be able to sell more books, when they revise their books?
@@oekmamaYes but who wants to buy a book from a group that's been wrong, wrong ,wrong ? How can anyone believe the new dates? So by keeping the farce up they also get to keep their all knowing attitude.
@@elisejaudon925 that’s a point. Sad but true.
Exactly, when you base your predictions on others projection and hang your life long career on it you want budge. So ignore them. I never bought Egyptians' built the pyramids they carved on them, but never built them, and that changes the timeline considerable. I am not an egyptologist nore a bible chaser just common sense if one looks. They never had the tools to carve Granite? There were other races of man Before ADAM and EVE do not mix them, that is the problem. Proof who did Cain marry? Who did God kill in the flood? Seems there were other floods which was the Biblical one, pin it down.
What it means is that for the proposed time shift to be true, it would have to interlock with what we learned was happening elsewhere. Which were learned from separate documents and synchronized with other events.
Suppose someone claimed to have evidence that the US Civil War was in 1660 not 1860.
Now, suppose you are a scholar in possession of documents from one of King George III's parliaments debating whether to recognize the Confederate states of America or not.
You have every reason to believe that what you have is not made up and what's worse, you have other documents showing Napoleon III is ruling France. Which buttresses the conventional claim of the 1860s.
Do you pull English and French history back two hundred years or do you look for another answer?
I’ve long considered that most ancient civilizations share commonalities because technology was much more advanced than we’ve given the people of the period credit for. Especially as it pertains to seafaring and trade. I take genesis 11 into account for this, and it would explain the dispersion of the period.
I believe genesis 41 was a major turning point for the world and was the cause of one of the greatest mass extinction events in history aside from the flood. It would explain the death of all these other sister civilizations as Egypt flourished and grew.
This is an excellent documentary! I hope you continue the search, this is too important not to!
Thanks for saying BC instead of BCE. Changing the way, we say this is an attack on Christianity like Merry X-Mas many years ago.
Xmas is not an attack, it is an abbreviation. What we call X the Greeks call Chi and, yes, it is the ch sound in Christ.
You might see an X and P intertwined in some churches. That's because the Greek P is called rho, our "r" sound, so the XP is for Christ.
There is a very long history of Christianity in Greek using Greek script.
Xmas is not an attack nor is it "removing" Christ. The X is instead an ancient abbreviation for Christ.
Christmas is of pagan origins. Christ claims to be, "Truth"...literally. There is no Truth in Christmas. Therefore...Christ cannot be a part of it. Santa doesn't exist. The Yule Log comes directly from paganism. There are many other..."Non-truths" about Christmas. Christians simply incorporated pagan traditions with Christ...made up a bunch of lies...and claimed it was "Christian". Nope...Christmas is lies...something Christ cannot be a part of.
@@curious968huh I didn't know that! That's super neat to know! Which makes sense since, as far as I am aware, the common language of Jesus' day was Greek. So it makes sense.
It's not an attach on Christianity it simply acknowledges that most of the world does not follow Christianly and there for would never use the term BC
@@itsjustnotruethe term bce makes no sense
You also have to possibly to consider that some of the leaders in charge could change the calendar dates to suit them .
I can’t even imagine a more disgraced group of people than Egyptologist. I feel like at this point they’re just the laughingstock of the world.
not really these screeching alternative historans are more laughable but given egyptologists gat the shit end of the stick also mainly because bureocracy since from the 1990's until today so 2023 barely a few 5 -8 full sale investigation happened msot of them can't be published still since they don't ge tthe "right papers" from the egyptian government or lots of egyptologist needed to make a 3-4 days digs which is laughably short time to find anything.
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The Pharaoh of Exodus was not the firstborn, had his firstborn die on the first Passover, and died a short time later in the Red Sea. From what we know about Amenhotep I, he matches all of those features. If you wish to choose a different Pharaoh, you need to find one that fits those descriptions. See Ex 12:29-30 & Ex 14:23-28.
It’s Amenhotep II. Not Amenhotep I…. Amenhotep II came directly after Thutmose. Who was the pharaoh still reigning after 40 years when Noah returned to Egypt. Only TWO pharaohs in Egyptian dynastic history have EVER ruled 40-50+ years. And Thutmose III (literally regarded as the greatest pharaoh in the history of Egypt and one of the greatest militaristic minds of the ancient world) JUST so happens to be one of those two; he ruled for 54 years. And the “young and arrogant” pharaoh that had just come into power that was the pharaoh of the exodus was Amenhotep II…. And he-The pharaoh Amenhotep-absolutely DID NOT die in the Red Sea at all the Bible absolutely does not state that; his army was drowned. Not pharaoh himself. HE crawled back to Egypt with his tail between his legs in defeat. Like he literally went out and conquered over 101,000 new slaves at one single time in the spring right after the exodus occurred. Which was a blatantly unheard of number of conquer-ees at one single time back then. And it was done so completely OUT of conquering season (which was the fall; the exodus took place after the first Passover in the spring). He did that to attempt to replace some of the slaves they lost when the Hebrews exited the land.. We’ve even found the his stele. And the name of his heir is literally scratched out and replaced. Because his firstborn son died in the 10th plague on that first Passover.
That's what it think too.. amenhotep1 dad was ahmose and is attributed to expelling the hyksos... cannanites. And amenhoteps son died. Amenhotep1 grave is unknown and he had no children successors.
These are all pretty good suggestions. I'm not familiar enough with the dynasties to agree or disagree, however.
It actually might be Dudimose. Watch David Rohl's analysis of the archaelogical and biblical evidence. @@dazdavis7896
Exodus never happen Moses never existed and the Jew were never slaves in Egypt. A group called the Hyksos came from Canaan (jews), overran Egypt, were driven out, went back to Canaan, and ultimately settled in Jerusalem. The whole Exodus story is a face saving exercise
The issue is ppl will do anything to deny God & the words of the Bible. Just as it says in His word. It's not even worth arguing w/ these ppl who are on disproving the existence of God. Sadly everyone, no one is exempt, will learn the truth of God upon death.
Strange how the religion must attacked is Christianity. It doesn't really matter what twisting or torturing of the truth is done cuz truth is truth. It's too bad that these over educated scientist don't allow themselves to believe what is true. Believing what is in God's word allows everything to fall in perfect placement.
The science is never settled.
The story of Esther is also shifted out of its proper historical context, though by a lesser amount than the proposed Egyptian chronology displacement.
References/ links/ details please?
I am now 65 and have been a Bible believing Christian for almost 40 years. The problems I have found with "academics" from almost every university and archaeological institute is that they are above all vain people seeking the approval of their peers. For them to say they believe the Biblical sequence of events and dates would leave them feeling embarrassed in front of their fellow "academics" and they seek the approval of men and not of God. So they are idolaters. They will howl in outrage at such an honest appraisal of how craven they are but it is not merely me saying this, it is the God of the Bible. Just read what the apostle Paul wrote about these types in Romans chapter 1:23 "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools."
Moreover, David Rohl remaining an agnostic is not a position God will accept as an excuse from _anyone!_ Again, the apostle Paul reveals what God's view of this is in Romans chapter 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse ..." A creation _demands_ a Creator and I sincerely hope than anyone who thinks it doesn't will turn around and admit they are completely wrong. 🤔🤷♂🤨
I agree! Bravo🙏
@@KimberlyMorrisonMcClintock Thank you Kimberly. I hope your day is going great!
The problem with Christians is they are vain people seeking the approval of there fake god. The Bile is a book of fantasy, written by men
Thank you for providing truth, or at least another possible truth, in a static and bias world which only teaches one side of a perceived truth. The attempts to keep people locked into one way of historical presentation have been successful in another negative outcome. Our lack of critical thinking and problem solving has been destroyed by pounding these highly suspect "facts" throughout our education of the youth, our future teachers and leaders!
It's the truth
Egypt is roughtly 13,000 years old. That's why both the mainstream and biblical accounts are confirmed as completely wrong and don't align with what we can confirm. The Great Flood was 11,800 years ago. That's today called the Younger Dryas Event. The geological and archaeological record we substantiates this position. As does stellar alignment. As does building alignment. As does building position. Anything which doesn't align with roughly 13,000 years ago is a fabrication.
Gunnar Heinsohn established a blind test for testing archeology chronology & proved 700 years was fiction inserted into the first 1000 years AD.
@@clarekuehn4372 Theories. It's not truth just because it sound delightsome.
Very well stated.
I love this series! The devil is definitely influencing those scholars who refuse to see what is plainly before them. It is how he spreads false (incorrect) knowledge in order to discredit the Bible.
Adjusting the timeline would negate a lot of work done, and we can’t have that.
That 300 year shift solves a lot of other problems throughout the ancient world, and pretend it that it doesn’t because it would upset your established work isn’t intellectually honest. It is, however, very human.
On the other hand, shifting a timeline from the established timeline to fit your beliefnarrative is just as dishonest and human.
@@ShannaNLstop projecting, I made no such assertion.
I’m saying that I agree with Roehl’s alternative interpretation of the data, because it fits with so many data points. There is a good explanation of why the normative timeline was established in error, with the specific error identified.
Remember, science often advances one funeral at a time.
@@M0rmagil Hahahaha aren't you full of yourself. When you state something it's all good and intellectual. When I can take your 'intellectual' remark and show the other side of it, it's projecting. No sweety. It was a dumbass remark by a shortsighted person thinking he's smart.
@@M0rmagil Yes you did in your comment.... it's not jsut need to fit soo many??? how much is that so many 3-4 it needs to line up with almsot all the datas times every discovered artifacts and it's not so the "mainstream" is still closer to that....
Wow! I 100% think you guys on to something here! The timeline needs revision and has for sometime. As far as Velokovsky goes he had some intriguing ideas that extended beyond Egyptology. We shouldn't be so dismissive of him. Sometimes it takes an outsider to reignite the fires of learning and challenge us with new ideas.
These guys are debating a 200 year discrepancy while others are talking about a 20,000 year discrepancy in accepted history.
which is bulslhit it has 0 factual evidence for that
Truth based on the evidence should be what we're all after. Great video!
A scholar commented that it is important to look at patterns as timelines fluctuates. For scholars, students who have already committed their years of studies and careers to certainties in their dates, rethinking will be a big problem. Follow the money.
It is so weird that presented with excellent evidence, most will dismiss it out right. Present them with a triangle 🔺and they look at it and say, "No it can not be possible. Every body knows it's a square 🟥.
"But your looking at it. Don't you want to reconsider?"
"No, it is a square🟥".
Maybe our modern dates have been changed since the Roman Catholic church changed the chronology prior
''They're looking in the wrong place!'' - [You know the movie. ]
The bottom line is that most archeologists don't want to trust the Bible as a reliable source for the same reason that society at large doesn't. It would require them to acknowledge God's existence and they would become accountable. Any archeologist who calls the Bible a collection of myths doesn't deserve the time of day. As Paul said, "they willfully close their eyes and refuse to acknowledge God."
Amen , my friend, exquisitely eloquent in simplicity!
Very well put
Messenger not important. Message is important. The biggest deceivers deceive themselves and then capable to deceive others.
Any archeologist that trust the bible as a reliable source, doesn't deserve the time of the day.....
The TOP line is that the bibLIE is a fraudulent document compendium.
Especially that first few books called the Torah.
Cain was the real original Adam.
AND it was Ab'EL (Set) the Younger Shepherd who assaulted Khain (Osiris) the EL'der FarMoor, not the other way around.
Velikovsky was the FATHER of this position. Don't put him down. Just because he might be a bit wrong, that is not a reason to hate Velikovsky. HE RAISED IPUWER PAPYRUS.
Rohl separately confirms in large part, but superficially discounts and does not credit with the basic insight, I agree with Rohl and also am horrified, disappointed that Velikovsky is not named. ❤ You need to read Velikovsky! He was approximately correct in the big ideas AND fascinating.
do you have a link, Clare?
By the way, this video is not David's video or editorial work -- my understanding is that he was interviewed for over 70 hours for this brief appearance. He's been advocating this issue since the late 1980s.
@@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs The best summary of Velikovsky's ideas (other than his own books, which change a little over the years as he updated his theories) is a book called "The Velikovsky Heresies" by Laird Scranton. It takes many of his theories and predictions, and compares them to many more recent discoveries. Turns out he was right about way more than he gets credit for. The few things he got wrong were used to dismiss his entire body of work.
Velikovsky wasn't "a little bit wrong", he was almost completely wrong.
I was alive when "Worlds in Collision" had its moment. It was torn to shreads in multiple ways by multiple people. It was amazingly wrong while sounding plausible to lay folks.
Accordingly, I have heard little about him for 40 or 50 years.
If I was making an argument that even accidentally agreed with any of his, I would double and triple check my work.
Well said! Brava!!!
All we need to do is look for all the nations in Egypt's region, and what their history tells us about those Egyptian dark ages, and we'll know the names of all the Pharos that ruled Egypt in those "dark days", which can't be dark if they continued to have Pharos rulling them in that period. The ipwar papyrus is a lamentation and grief about the destruction of Egypt and the open possibility of a foreign invasion, after God has destroyed Egypt in a series of natural catastrophies one after the other, and it is written at the same period of the exodus, just after the Israelites left, and before the conquest of Egypt by the Hyksos, which took the opportunity when they saw that Egypt is vulnerable.
Even if one was raised from the dead, they will not believe... THEY do NOT have a chronology that is set in "stone" because everything that is not planted by the Father shall be rooted up. The ROCK will come and break into dust their, "sacred stone of Egypt's chronology". Wonderful work you all are doing in this field. Trying to break up the fallow ground of Egyptology is a lot of work, but I see progress! Praise God!
The oldest verisons of the bible there is no resurrection story at all
I find it amazing how these archeologists and historians will speak in absolute terms. The study of the past is NOT a hard science. Even in the hard sciences, we learn that things we once thought were fundamental often turn out to be otherwise. These people are not speaking from a place of dispassionate observation but from a place of ideological belief.
Still even if it's wrong your new theories needs to be supported with evidence not runnig around like a headless chicken screaming bloody murder that historians lying to yout thousands of years.... because that's the energy i saw almost all of these alternative history videos...
@@maszkalman3676Absolutely correct
That's the voice of Kevin Sorbo......
It is more and more important to dig up and publish all astronomical observations recorded by the ancient world. Namely, the assyrian, hittite, Egyptian, greek and every near East astronomical data so as to synchronize the dates of historical events accurately
That's not necessary because the true timeline for our stars and for our Earth's history and the true timeline for our human history is documented in hundreds of historic records, written in dozens of languages from all across our Earth - that timeline is then corroborated by thousands of other independent sources - but since most prefer their programming and indoctrination - since most prefer to life a life of lies that's so detached from reality as to render them insane, very few care about the truth.
People can't accept the truth based on all the proof we have now, no astronomical evidence is going to change anything. To think otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.
I assume its there and published ...
@@WhirledPublishing "not necessary"
Any more OBJECTIVE verification of the chronology is welcome scientifically. There are gaps in the chronologies and anomalies. People can make mistakes and lie. Cosmology works flawlessly like clockwork.
@@digitalnomad9985 There are no gaps - the entire timeline is documented - including the true timeline for the "prehistoric" creatures and the explanation for why they suddenly appeared and rapidly disappeared ...
The true timeline for the eruption of Yellowstone is also documented, along with the eruption of dozens of other supervolcanoes - all in the same night - as thousands of smaller volcanoes erupted across five continents ...
The true timeline for the eruption of Santorini and Vesuvius is also documented - by numerous independent sources...
The true timeline Mexico's Copper Canyon is documented, the true timeline for Tibet's Great Canyon is documented and the true timeline for the Grand Canyon in the usa is also documented, along with the forces responsible ...
The timeline for the Yucatan Peninsula is documented, along with the forces responsible, the timeline for the Arabian, Italian, Iberian, Floridian and Olympian peninsulas, etc.
The true timeline for the ice sheets is documented - the true timeline for our Earth's expansion is also documented, the true timeline for the continents, oceans, mountains, cataclysms ... it's all documented by our ancestors...
All you have to do is study the historic documents ... which includes the timeline for the Siberian and Deccan Traps, the timeline for the cataclysms known as Nuuanu and Eltanin and the cataclysm that formed the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf and so on ...
If you're not a Doctoral Scholar with over 50 years of research, if you haven't compiled thousands of independent sources, documented in dozens of languages from all across our Earth, if you don't have a high level genius IQ and dozens of impressive achievements that corroborate the test scores, you shouldn't expect to know about the evidence - because you haven't done the research - and you shouldn't expect your evil overlords will tell you the truth - since they've siphoned 99% of the world wealth into their control while relegating billions of babies and children, teens and adults into horrifying suffering in the tortures of poverty without a decent bed to sleep in, without a decent bathroom, without adequate nutrition, without clean drinking water and without transportation ...
Since the billionaires have exposed themselves as evil incarnate, you shouldn't rely on their books and magazines and movies to tell you the truth.
Thank you for your ministry 🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏
Maybe a stupid and ignorant question, but why do they "pin" history past to Egyptian history? Especially if it has gaps and other histories, just as detailed, have to be "adjusted" to fit the Egyptian chronology, there is a problem right there.
Egyptian chronologies are by far the most complete and consistent. Only natural to pin other chronologies to Egyptian history rather than the other way around.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 , rather presumptive now, aren't we?
@@thomasdykstra100 - I didn’t say the Egyptian chronologies are correct. Just that they’re a pre-existing measuring rod, whereas for most of the very ancient world all we have is short sections of self-consistent chronology. Hopefully, as more datum points are found in Near Eastern records it will be possible to correct errors in the Egyptian chronologies.
@@thomasdykstra100 it's pretty obvious that you would use the longest continuous civilisations history
"This is the way things happened" Oh really? Were you there? How do you know?
"Evidence seems to indicate" That's the scientific method at work. Also, I'm pretty sure that there are written records that have not yet been found. Keep looking.
Imagine the Sahara desert once was lush, green and inhabited.
The size of the USA.
And only a few square miles have been dug into near the river Nile.
On millionth of one percent.
The date for the entry into the land is 1592 BC . It requires no revision of Jericho carbon dating, and no revision of conventional Egyptian Chronology for the 12th dynasty downward. The the long biblical chronology was known by Josephus and has 612 years from the Exodus to the building of the Temple. The question to ask is WHY DOES NO ONE CONSIDER JOSEPHUS' LONG CHRONOLOGY?
The solution - that Rohl and Kitchen work side by side and together establish and re write what the real history is that’s in line with archaeology!
They need to forget all that they were taught and start with a fresh opened mind.
Hercules narrating...I'm in
The lengths some people will go to trying to make history conform to their pre-conceived beliefs rather than starting with the observable evidence, reliable recorded dates (written or excavated remains) and archaeological science rather than admit they had it wrong
Honesty and scholarship, especially as it relates to Egyptology and study of the so-called Levant, has always been incongruent concepts.
“Scholars” seem to think that because they’ve studied a subject in depth, it simultaneously sharpened their “logical aptitude and sharpness”, far from it. Their “knowledge” often masquerades itself as indubitable truth.
Because you “know” something doesn’t necessarily mean you understand and have the correct conclusions.
David spells it out exactly right! It is that way in other disciplines, too. anything considered "unorthodox" or at odds, is maligned.
One of the biggest reasons for the Egyptian timeline is that there are errors in pharaohs, the times they reigned, and whether they ever reigned.
Archeology will tell us that the Exodus occurred in 1280-1310 B.C. A Biblical timeline is not as clear as we would want it to be. A counting of phases of times indicate the Exodus to occur in either 2001 B.C. or 1450 B.C.
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Much, much older than people think.
With some logic, I can explain very easily why we have "little evidence" of the exodus.
Yes, Egypt was great at keeping records. However, if the plagues happened and the phararo was killed by drowning in the red sea, it's very safe to assume Egypts society was on the verge of collapse.
People would be fighting for food, not writing down events. Even scribes get hungry. It's simple logic. The bible also says Egypt was heavily damaged after the Exodus.
After Egypt recovered, it makes sense that they would want to forget that chapter of history.
Actually this wouldn't necessarily be the case. First, the Bible never says that Pharaoh himself drowned in the sea. The story suggests that his chariots arrived before his foot soldiers did. The troops of chariots pursued the Israelites into the sea and were drowned. It never says Pharaoh died.
Second, the plagues were short lived and didn't effect all of Egypts food supplies. Egypt had multiple food sources, so at best Egypt went on a skinnier diet until the next harvest cycle and they would have been back to normal.
Now the reason we don't have anything written down is more likely this...
Most of the inscriptions we have from Egypt come from their temples and palaces. Temples were made to honor their gods and Palaces to honor their kings. They didn't record failures on these walls. Papyrus was plentiful in Egypt and they used it often but it rarely lasts more then a 100 years or so. The Egyptians would record their day to day activities on what are called day scrolls. We have very few Egyptian day scrolls. For instance, in Ramese II's reign, which is one of the longest in Egyptian history, we have ZERO day scrolls.
We don't have records of the plagues and the Exodus because they didn't survive.
Through levering a conflation of of people and events- it is possible to link the history of Egypt with Israel. Some juggling of dates and events. The Battle of Kadesh would be a good focus... Sarah, obviously, was both the wife and the sister of, Abraham. Joseph was pivotal too, a generation ahead of Abraham...
This is a pattern with academia because it challenges them that they're wrong and new facts prove it. We need more honest critical thinkers who love the truth like David Rohl.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, yet another field of "knowledge" revealed as conjecture
There is so much more interesting and, much earlier human history then the usual half truths spun by the 'experts'.
This video is a great example of scholars being stuck in the box. ..."too much work,
Plus we'd have to admit we're wrong."
Also a great example that alternate historians can handvawe away any criticism they get by saying oh you are government shill or sheep etc. but they give you 0 factual evindence or find ruins or any phisical items to date or be per reviewed this is jsut trust me bro nothing else.
A painter is proof of a painter, a building is proof of a building and you are proof of God. How you can think that this just all happened for no reason is truly sad. people with these ways of thinking are missing a life they could only dream of. The greatest lie Satan ever told man was that he isnt real! As it is written : Many of my children shall perish because of lack of knowledge!
Pharaohs and Kings was great series!
You should question the evidence. Everyone should. That is how we make progress in any science.
I don't think the narrator understood what Israeli archeologist Ze'ev Herzog said. He said there never were any walls at Jericho. There is no evidence for walls being at Jericho. There is no evidence that walls were destroyed at Jericho as portrayed in the Bible. He said the city was destroyed. A great many cities were destroyed. That does not make the Bible story true. He was basically saying that the Bible story is a myth.
They found the ruins of the walls at Jericho...so yes there had been walls there. Also that archeologist from the Israeli university is secular and does not believe in God’s Word.
@@lindanwfirefighter4973 No, they did not find evidence for or of protective city walls as described by the Bible at Jericho at all. The walls they observed were building walls, not a protective perimeter wall.
@@wesbaumguardner8829 They have I have seen the video evidence of it. I was going to add this to my last but you had already responded. That man from the Israeli University says there was no evidence of “Jewish peoples” in Palestine during the middle Bronze Age and what hits me when he says that is it would be HEBREWS and not ”Jewish”. Jewish is a modern term Jewish peoples were the House of Judah which comprised the tribe of Benjamin and Judah. Whiles Jews are Hebrews not all Hebrews were jews.
@@lindanwfirefighter4973 He may have mispoke. Modern people often use those two words interchangeably because the Jewish people are the ancestors of the Hebrews. Feel free to send that video link.
Still no video link? I'm disappointed. I wanted to see me some ancient protective walls. I do love archeology.
Giving many different stories by many different men AND women , many paid at this point, gives them lotsa wiggle room with the truth and you have to know that religion or satanism does not want and will not let a TRUE TIMELINE BE ACCEPTED AS IT HURTS THEM AND THEIR PACK OF LIES.
Science, including the science of archeology and history is not science if you are unwilling to investigate the problems.
Septuagint timeline is the correct timeline.
use the Septuagint dating for anything older than Joseph not the masoretic text dating and alot more lines up as well as pushing Egyptology dating up 200 years.
Immanuel veliskovsky is a brilliant brilliant man!
I am going to make a claim that will be laughed at but within my lifetime people will soon find out (hopefully sooner than later) that one day he is going to be considered one of the most influential scientists to have ever lived!
Even more important than Einstein!
Sounds crazy I know but it’s the truth.
Sorry, it is crazy. "Worlds in Collision" was and is nonsense and was the work he was best known for in his lifetime.
He was eviscerated repeatedly for his claims in that book. By multiple people in multiple disciplines.
Question everything who’ve been taught/told. It is in ‘ not knowing’ that truth reveals itself. Innocent mind. Forthgiving mind, right mind.
The Bible says they were in Egypt for 400-plus years, and that's about how long it took for them to pull off one of the biggest mining operations in history. Just because the pyramids are mining waste doesn't make them any less spectacular. But I think it's fitting they put a sphynx cat in a poisonous wasteland...
PS Ammenmose was said to be Hebrew and probably left cerca 1201-1206BC, and the very first to attack the 1st Temple 25yrs after it was built was the Pharaoh himself.
I believe the Bible is a book of 'history' containing a collection of stories passed down through the ages, so to compare it to an actual dated time line is fanciful at best.
That said, there is likely a lot we still don't really know about the Egyptian timeline as they only ever seem to focus on the more recent period and not the previous eras.
Have you been to just about any museum anywhere in the world that covers Egyptian history? A few specialize, but a surprising number cover the whole history. As far as I know, scholarship continues in all areas of Egyptian history. It's just that more recent times have more surviving artifacts. But that is true everywhere.
If you really look at what the Bible *says* it reads like a genealogical history. It is probably the most accurate timeline, yet secularists refuse to acknowledge it. Even as alternative historians are agreeing on the Flood, the 3 branches of DNA, the origin of wine from the area around Mt Ararat
I think it even accounts for Bright Insight’s contention of the Eye of the Sahara being Atlantis. Genesis records that ~500 years after the Flood “the land was divided”. Seeing as how it is very close to the Atlantic, I can easily imagine how the division could have caused a tidal wave that wiped out the city and much/most of Atlantis Kingdom.
It would have been nice to hear some evidence for the claim...expectations from the title unfulfilled.
At the time of the Pharaoh's of that period, we need to investigate all Egyptian evidence, not just the scriptures! Too many people disagree with each other defending their own viewpoints! They all need to agree to work together to establish if the theories each put forward are matching what Egypt and Isra'el reveal and what the scriptures and history confirm! Well done to David Rohl for instigation of further discussion, even if they don't agree with him! We all need to see these educated men working together, not disputing one another! Disbelief in the Exodus results from man's error! Confirmation of the Exodus also comes from Ron Wyatt's discoveries which play into the whole story and evidence!
Egypt been there since time of Abraham .
Then should we have a branch of science called Turkishology to study the ruins of Globekli Tepe and other stone circles in Turkey?😇
Great work 👍🙂🐻
Thank you Abba for removing the scales from my eyes & giving me the faith to believe or I'd be Nebbachanezzer wandering in a field eating grass.. I'm not referring to Tim Mahoney as I know he's a born again believer
What a way to put it! He said wait for old scholars to die out !? & then says he's not a rebel ? LOL
Simcha already did this.
I really believe there way off my self thousands of years as to Indians History and Africa as well are thousands of years older than there telling the common people ...
I am not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I thought that archeologists already found out that they were incorrectly dating Egyptian history because they were counting Pharohs' other names in other languages as different reigns.
Yes but alternate history conmans need to slast straw to latch on like flat earthers...
As a layman I am troubled with the question of Exodus. I have listened those who support 13. and those who support 15. century BC as the date. I find this proposal interesting, but I was disappointed because you did not offer any specific detail as evidence. I would like very much to see it in some future episode...
This discussion is more about the workings of academis and not about the details, you can read books and watch other does for more details
wow... fantastic video... 👍
Simcha Jacobovici came out with a special in nat geo over 10yrs ago saying that you had to shift the time lines in order for the exodus to fit properly. Must be true because you never saw him on television again. They did the same thing to Scott Walter when he started talking about pyramids and templars in america.
How does one tell the difference between a brilliant idea that is suppressed from a crackpot idea that was so embarrassing, it never got a second broadcast?
Wow! For Ken Kitchen to say that Rohl might be right in reconstructing Egyptian history is like the Pope saying that Christianity is rubbish! Maybe scholars are changing their minds after years of debate on the subject.
What about the Philistines "problem" with Rohl's chronology? Please cover that. (Byant Wood)
Please define "the Philistine problem"?
The question I have with this idea is, who and where were ruling in the 13-15th dynasties. The native 13th was Upper (south) Egypt; not near Goshen in the northern Delta. The concurrent 14th dynasty was taken over by the 15th dynasty, which were Hyksos invaders. The Hyksos would not have enslaved another Semite culture, the Hebrews.
So if you keep the dynasties where the contemporary dates are, it's much more likely that Jacob served in the Hyksos pharaoh's court, and when the 16th dynasty drove out that Semitic ruling class, they then had a very good reason to fear and enslave the other Semitic tribe in the region (Exodus 1:8-10). The 7 years of famine likely contributed to the Hyksos' weakening enough to be driven back out of Egypt.
The "pharaoh who didn't know Joseph" was likely the new 16th dynasty native ruler. The likely pharaoh of the Exodus, in my own research, is the 18th dynasty, Amenhotep II or Thutmose IV.
While the Hebrews were wandering, the Egyptian campaigns during that time are in Canaan, to replenish the slave population. If the Hebrews went in directly after leaving Egypt, the Canaanites would've been too many.
Then a few short years later, Akhenaten comes along. He may've been so convinced of a single God after seeing the Exodus, he attempts to convert Egypt to monotheism the best way his culture can.
Ahmose 1 kicked out the Hyksos.
@@unrealuknow864 Yes, and both the Hebrews and Hyksos were Semitic. Makes sense the Hyksos dynasty would welcome Joseph's family. Then when Ahmose kicks out the imposters, pretty soon the Hebrews look like a threat, if the Hyksos were to attempt a return.
@@BlueSideUp77 The story of the Exodus is derived from the Hyksos expulsion. They are not 2 separate events. The story of the Exodus was created to make the people look like victims. There is no evidence of 100s of years of enslavement. The events of the plagues are indicative of what would happen after the eruption of Thera in 1550. The time of Ahmose.
Simca Jacobovici goes through all that what you talk about in his show 'The mystery of the Lost Ark of the Covenant' and The Exodus. Part of the evidence he says that helps date the time of the exodus was when the volcano on the island of Santorini blew and the exodus went through a sea of reeds and NOT the Red Sea (which was due to a mistranslation) and there was a connection to Hiksos which the Egyptian government is covering up the evidence. The evidence he found suggests the exodus happened around the timeline of 1400-1500 BCE
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Rohl is what an academic should be. I like the idea that the facts take precedence over his worldview. In addition to professional reputations being put on the line, we should also factor in the influence of the anti-Christian lobby aided and abetted by good-fashioned anti-Israel rhetoric when it comes to explaining the resistance to change. Anything which gives credence to the bible or the idea of Jewish homeland is not going to be popular with those peddling a certain political agenda.
This is a documentary that paints Rohl in the best light. His chronology destroys synchronisms, like 39 of them, that exist between Egypt and other nations. He then overlaps kings of Egypt and has some ruling alongside another from the same city. That is pure fantasy.
Rohl's agenda is that he has taken a wooden modern literalism of Biblical times given and is trying to twist the historical record to fit those interpretations. That is the very definition of someone who is letting his worldview overcome the facts.
@@blusheep2 I notice that you don't explain the problems with Rohl's timeline in any great detail. He has addressed the issue of overlapping Kings and it's clearly not fantasy. You also do not indicate what his worldview is. If you are suggesting that he is a closet Christian, then you need to back it up with some evidence. I have watched several of Rohl's presentations and have yet to see any objections to his work validated. Most of the opposition is based on little more than prejudice. Rahl seems more than happy to address his critics. His critics however don't seem very comfortable with addressing their own shortcomings.
@@harryf1ashman This was just our first introduction Jack. I don't take the time, usually, to go into great detail until I know the person wants a deeper conversation.
Rohl addresses overlapping kings by saying these kings ruled over different parts of Egypt at the same time. I'm not referring to that type of overlap. What I'm saying is that in at least one case Rohl has two kings that overlap, and Rohl doesn't tell you this in the video I watched, and who ruled from the same city. To think that you could have two different kings ruling two different parts of Egypt while occupying the same city stretches the imagination. Its fantasy.
Maybe worldview was a poor choice of words. Maybe I should have just used, "biases." Rohl comes from a conservative modern wooden lilteralist view of scriptures. He needs to fit the chronology of Egypt into a much tighter space to make room for the flood dating. The current chronology of Egypt contradicts conservative estimates of the flood. So, I'm just trying to point out that, Rohl, also has an agenda hes trying to make work. Otherwise, he wouldn't even be questioning the Egyptian chronology.
You say you haven't seen any objection to his work validated. What have you watched or read that has attempted to critique his view?
@@blusheep2 Explain which Kings you are talking about and I will see how your claims work out. I have read the books Pharaohs & Kings and watched the original video. Most claims leveled against his timeline seem to be largely motivated by prejudice. What I have yet to see is any sort of meaningful destruction of why it doesn't work. Throwing around words like "fantasy" given the work he has put in could only come from a position of willful ignorance. My guess is that you have a beef that is not grounded in archaeology. The fact that a lot of prominent scholars have staked their reputations on a timeline that clearly doesn't work does not make that timeline valid.
Talk about moving the goal post
I am not a scholar of Egyptian chronology, and how it dovetails with the other regional chronologies.
I would be very surprised, however, if it is 300 years out of whack. I think the events of the bible occurred, but since we (a) don't know precisely in what period to look for particular bits of evidence, and since (b) the archaeological and documentary evidence from ANY period more than 1000 years ago is extremely spotty and incomplete, there is no real need to push massive, improbable changes to the generally-accepted chronology.
34:07 Omg then there is a hidden acceptance of the timeline Rohl proposes. There should be more to come out of that and speak their mind.
Even Israeli scholars say the Exodus never happened.
I love what you said ❤ thank you so much ❤
I seen a video about the history of Europe and in that video they stated that there is 300 years that are unaccounted for. That their time line doesn't add up. And there is alot of writing back then that can account for what was going on. Than in other countries that didn't do alot of writing all the time and we are trying to figure out when they happen exactly. Well I say that is an improbability. I believe if we can get it down to 10 years then we should call it good enough and accept that thats as good as it will get. Its not like what happened 600 years ago will drastically change today!
I think I have the answer to this mystrey of ancient timelines, but someone has to reach out to me, to verify what I think I leanred regarding
the Exodus timeline occuring with a solar eclipse, which is proof beyond reasonable doubt to get it's exact year properly dated,
18:00 Immanuel Velikovsky.
Some crazy ideas in planetology.... some brilliant ideas elsewhere. Worth doing some research on his assertions that the ''Standard'' Chronology is wrong.
Hi, please google "Bronze Age Collapse" and you'll find the answer to your central question in re the period between 1150 BCE and 800 BCE.
They have invested lots of work, effort, time and money for the timeline as it is now, the history books, online material, etc still make money for them, and also their reputation is at stake.
Okay, so when are they going to say "enough, we are going to honor the truth" and do a long due revision of the Egyptian chronology?