To be fair; Maajid took liberty of butting in when he needed to make his clarifications heard, more so than Jordan was lavish with time given freely to Maajid. 👀👍 Let truth be above “what sounds good”. 🗽🏆
I agree. Jordans enthusiasm is a key part of his conversations, but it often interferes with the guest's time to formulate ideas. This conversation was noticeably different. And as a result, I got a lot of new Ideas (or another spin on ideas I heard before). If this was on purpose: good job Jordan :D I think, combined with your extremely broad range of guests (with unique ideas) this spirit can make your, already outstanding podcast, ... well, dangerously transforming... Or something like that^^
You probably won't read this yourself, but for the small chance that you do I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart dr. Peterson. I have been depressed for about 9 years and your video's gave me the courage to seek help. I found out I have a mental illness and I have medication now that works extremely well for me. I am really greatful for all you have done, because without you I'm not sure this message would have ever been written. I was as low mentally as you could imagine. You saved my life and you saved my family from alot of missery. ❤
What you have just shared gives Jordon the most satisfaction. I started watching his classroom lectures years ago now and I knew he was special. Keep going.❤
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims… Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned. One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren. Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence). Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity. Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!) Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT) Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail. Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity. Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY). Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch) The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!! The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!! The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
4:34 - Maajid’s smile when Jordan talks about the Cathy Newman interview communicates so much without a single word. So satisfying. I feel the same way, Maajid.
What a time to be alive and watch such remarkable conversation between these man who have their conduct so on point. What a shame we couldn't have our governors to look anything like these two gentleman..
Maajid was an excellent guest -- honorable, well-spoken, and incredibly thoughtful. And of course Jordan was as great as ever. What an excellent interview.
I absolutely love how JP listens and takes notes. If there is anyone who can show world leaders, or anyone for that matter, how to properly engage in a debate or conversation it's him. You don't have to agree with someone to respect them and their perspective. The world is in dire need of effective communication.
Dr. JP, I love how you take pillars of idea networks and simplify them to the point anyone can understand and discuss. Incredibly grateful for your service and dedication. Take care
I don't believe I have ever seen two people speak with such a deep, passionate understanding of humanity... What a great gift these men have given the world by embracing humility to the extent that they could wrestle with these ideas and share them with us... God bless both of you... 🙏
Hello, those were also my thoughts. It drew together threads of my own thoughts into a wider realisation. It crystallised that, for the first time, all humans are now in jeopardy, due to the beliefs and actions of other humans. Rather than as a consequence of the natural world.
@@mclagett1043 If you haven't seen them yet, I like Roger Scruton's videos on Truth and Beauty, etc. I also highly recommend Ayaan Hirsi Ali's, "The Market for Victimhood". You can recommend something to me. I am interested in all those same things you are. (Currently, I am trying to keep up on the "trans fad", craziness).
I love Mr Jordan Peterson...ever time I watch Jordan Peterson content, I am educated and he opens my mind. He is a Legend and one of our times Greatest Minds. Thank you
Maajid is an absolute gem, he really bolstered me during the height of the nonsense. They got him off of UK TV because of it, but he didn't stop talking. I'm proud to call him my countryman. Words are indeed spells Maajid.
And he's correct when he says that he spoke out against antisemitism. He's spoken out about Muslim grooming gangs. He spoke out against the lockdowns. He's a man of principle.
The man has courage, clarity and compassion by the spadeful - rare to find someone so articulate in the political arena who also has a sense of spiritual oneness and who is not afraid to invoke it ..
@@leegrant7333 so Jordan doesn't claim his knowledge as validated by his education certifications and clinical work? You're flat wrong here. Claims to Authority are one thing, but experiential knowledge should not be assumed to be Claims To Authority like you are trying to equate them in your comment.
As a jew that is closely following the, say, muslim-jewish situation, I have to say this is gold. It's hard for me to listen to the other side but I try and push myself. I've just listened to this and I got to say, Maajid is a man that I deeply respect and can learn from. People like him can make jew-muslim peace a possibility and conversations like these as well. Thank you!
I can say the same thing as an Arab. It's hard for me to listen to the other side. But I do respect Jewish people on an individual basis. I really like Ben Shapiro for example. I would never agree with him when it comes to Israel but I like his takes on other important matters and he lives a respectable life.
Jews and Muslims have always been at peace it’s Israel that tore it apart Muslims have always given Jews refuge and protection from Christian persecution that’s why 65% of Israeli Jews are from Muslim and Arab lands and why when Muslim Spain fell Jews left with Muslims to Morocco when Portugal started killing Jews then Jews came to turkey when the first crusaders came Jews fought with Muslims and when jerselum fell from Muslim control Jews were expelled and were allowed to return after 89 years when Muslims retook it under Saladin and also in 637ac when umar the second caliph of Islam for the first time led Muslims to conqueror Jerusalem and the whole Palestine and took Palestine from the Romans he allowed Jews to return and our sources mention he cried and fell to his knees and started cleaning it himself and soon the whole Arab army started cleaning it when he seen how the Roman’s turned the western wall to a dumpster site where they would put their feces and other garbage like imagine the leader of the Muslim world the most powerful man on the face of this earth is crying and cleaning the holy site of the Jews and also he asked the Christian high bishop “where are the Jews” and the Christian bishop said “ we killed or expelled them all or mostly all of them except a few” and umar said “ how can you expel the Jews,when some of our most blessed prophets were from them” and umar decreed that Jews were allowed to return and he wanted a former Jewish convert to Islam to bring 10 Jewish families and umar would pay for them to live there like the Jews survived because Muslim gave them protection from Christian europe if there was no Islam or Muslims then Christian’s would’ve conquered the whole Middle East and North Africa and they would’ve eventually exterminated the Jews but because of Muslims they could never do that because we would protect Jews with our own lives and Jews were apart of us and we have great respect for them and we worship the same god and we revere all the Jewish prophets & Jews were welcomed in Muslim lands and it’s was their home and they were apart of it like I seen Iraqi Jews cry when Iraq was getting invaded and Libyan Jews cry when Libya was getting invaded and I seen I video of a 80 year old Libyan jew saying “ they’re bombing Libya they’re bombing my country” and I swear that made me cry because Jews were apart of our societies and it’s sad Zionism and Zionist tricked and made them feel they were different and that their countries were not their countries and were Muslim countries and that they would never be welcomed you see all expulsion and attack on Jews in Muslim lands happened after Israel and Zionism started and Zionist are disgusting inhumane thieves and savages
Jordan is on another level with his intellect and grasp of the truth on a whole host of topics. I love to see him in action and feel blessed to have such a man on this platform. Great Britain is not what it used to be, that's for sure 🇬🇧
Thank you Jordan and Maajid. I'm incredibly grateful to be a part of this conversation if only as a listener. It would have taken me many lifetimes to reach the wisdom you both demonstrate in this conversation.
I can say similar as I would need at least another lifetime. No matter the point where we all are in our learned knowledge, let us hope we will continue to seek and learn more everyday. I have several grandchildren and young friends and I try to influence them to have a love for learning ❤️
Have a love for learning hypocrisy, shame, words couched in internal meanings that disqualified one group of people and to elevate another, is that what means to learning.
He only made pro Israelites happy while not even caring about the sentiments of the Palestinians who are being deprived of their rights and being brutality discriminated against by Apartheid state of Israel. Showed his true colour and where his interests lie.
@@najmaalikhan So so sad...Barely nobody advocates those who've already lost their voice to report their ongoing struggle and are held back from being able to determine their own path.
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims… Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned. One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren. Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence). Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity. Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!) Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT) Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail. Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity. Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY). Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch) The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!! The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!! The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims… Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned. One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren. Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence). Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity. Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!) Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT) Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail. Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity. Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY). Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch) The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!! The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!! The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
Incredible interview. Pure Gold. Amazing how both men are warriors in defense of language. In this they are truly united. Peterson rose to fame by refusing to allow his language to be hijacked and policed into incomprehensible pronouns. Brilliant and gripping discussion!!! This is what mature dialogue looks like
In this lunatic times, I think letting my ears flow in this incredible talk, release a big dose of positivity and makes me see this world utterly positive, so my salute goes from the heart to Jordan Peterson and Mr.Maajid ! Thank you
A fine conversation between two men I have great respect for. Thank you both for your insights, the work that you do, and for being a genuine force for good.
Majjid's first response was incredibly gripping. As the interview went on you could unpack Majjid's mission on a metaphysical level. This was an unbelievable conversation between two very intelligent individuals.
He never answered the main question.. did Bibi say anything not factual? Kind of amazing that ppl allow the Palestinians to lie about history but get mad when the Israelis speak the truth
I don't think I have ever witnessed a conversation as in depth as this one. JP was extremely humble too, which made me respect him even more, the opposite reaction to what most expect to humility.
I didn't think so. When he mentioned the idea that Islam isn't accepted in the Christian civilization, I think that the conversation should have stopped right there for him to expand on what he meant. If he assumes that an apartheid civilization should be accepted by an open one, then I'd say he's got a few screws loose.
I felt humbled by this interview. It made me realize that I need to do a much better job of giving people an audience to help me understand their point of view. I know I dismiss people too easily when I don’t share their fundamental beliefs. It’s really about showing love, patience, respect and giving the gift of time to those who want to share their story. “Freely you have received, freely give”.
The most beautiful part is how they start off with all the similarities, which creates an immediate bond of respect. Among them and also with me as a viewer. Really eye opening
Very well said. So grateful for this eye and heart opening conversation. Respect for both Jordan Peterson and Maajid Nawaz for their profound knowledge and underdranding things as they are.
No, it's not about giving 'love'. Don't link it with a fleeting and fickle emotion such as love, because the minute you no longer have love, or the minute you actually feel hate, you'll no longer do it. It's about having a fundamental and genuine interest in the TRUTH. Once you have that, you'll need patience and respect. If you have a genuine interest in the truth, you'll want to engage with people instead of dismissing them, because you're actively seeking the truth. And hearing other people's views and opposite views is one of the best and most efficient ways to arrive at truths. If you engage with people with opposite views, you'll need patience and respect in order to hold a proper conversation, WITHOUT letting your emotions take control. Patience and respect will act as a deterrent to the rampart emotions that may arise from a heated debate / conversation. And throughout the conversation, your genuine interest in the truth, will be the driving force that allows you to navigate it.
I loved this entire conversation. I'm a Lebanese Christian, and I've seen the other end of exclusionary language that's used here in Lebanon where Israel is considered the enemy that needs to be exterminated in order for Palestinians to reclaim their land. Very well done by Nawaz who considering his background has never once mentioned any retaliation against the Jews and in fact has defended them during anti-Semitic waves. He is also dead-on about there being people on both sides who benefit from the continuation of the conflict, one of them being Hezbollah which uses it to create fear among his followers and maintain a grip on the Lebanese government. As for the topic of language and its lost context, I think this idea interestingly enough isn't a strange one to artists. An artist knows this diminishing effect of the destructive and analysing brain and avoids it as much as possible. Lots of painters refuse to post their renditions online, even for whatever viewing price, because not experiencing them in person is meaningless and removes the context of it. This is also similar to those who cannot stand using digital cameras and instead use the old Polaroids and like to feel the image in their hands after they've taken it. It's applicable to music as well, where hearing a song through earphones or the phone speaker loses so much of the full extent of musical information that you can hear in headphones or high-fidelity sound systems. I wish there were contributors who worked on reviving the lost meanings of the text in the same way that Nawaz did here. Because not only have we lost the context of Arabic, we've nearly stopped using it altogether.
@@jsbrads1 Hold up, I've never heard of her before and looking her up now she seems a bit extremist. Sure she had it tough growing up in the Lebanese civil war, who hasn't? But that's no excuse for her current views. To be clear I am not insinuating any anti-muslim narrative in my comment above. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that does not represent any comprehensive subset of muslims, but rather uses tactics of propagandistic fearmongering to force muslims in lebanon into siding with them and keep them in political power.
@@jsbrads1 almost everything as 99.9% of Lebanese people for good reasons. She talks in a form that makes her look insightful and intellectual but does t have much substance. It’s all fluff.
Don't take your eyes off the PRIZE ..... no matter what the distractions maybe be around you. UNDERSTAND YOUR PURPOSE, I went from living an average life to making over 63k per month. It's amazing. The financial markets are full with opportunities, but I've learned a lot over the past few years to doubt that. The key is knowing where to focus. Well appreciated, Rodger Michael Karl.
Everyone on this thread are (b) grade magicians bad actors, extremely poor quality jesters pretending to being able to destroy the illusion in front of people through creating another that is flowery You guys will end down Alice’s hole sucking face with frogs 😅 🐸🧞♂️💥👈
Don't take your eyes off the real prize. Jesus spoke of EVERYTHING happening in the world today and it's accelerating! (Jesus said, "like birthing pains"). You can't take it with you friends. This world is lost and it's only going to get worse. God bless you all.
No conversation, one said JudoChristian west, other said JudoChrisrianIslamic west. one said Abrah acord is inclusive, other said exclusive. Everyone said his point without real engegement.
The “solution” to conflict in the Middle East is easy…temporary peace will come for a little while from a man pretending to be both the muslim and jewish messiah once Christians disappear, then more war will follow, then Jesus will appear and people will finally realize He is God. Otherwise, peace cannot happen in the Middle East…ever.
@@christophenevejan4782 The word “conversation” derives from two Latin roots; namely com meaning “together” and versare meaning “to turn.” Hence it literally means “turning together” - perhaps a daily life understanding of structural coupling.
BRO this whole conversation elevated me spiritually and intellectually. This perspective aligns with Islam and probably other abrahamic faiths too. It is essentially brining back spirituality into our daily lives and interactions.
Another American or Pakistani illiterate in Islam? or someone who thinks Islam isn't modern enough? Majid Nawaz has been a black sheep of the Muslims. Majid Nawaz isn't the best person to speak up for Muslims and Islam. he is a tool and by defination is fascist, liberal and anti-islamic moron. He kept going against Islam and Muslim to enrich himself while sitting in night clubs and using foul langauge while publically sexualizing his own wife. His basic morals and values are totally messed up; his institution failed and stopped when funding stopped. now knowing him and his institution that he has built, he will shake hands with zionist to sell Islam and Muslims again to enrich himself. The dude doesn't even speak arabic. he is pakistani moron who has no basic ground in fiqh sciences and Islamic foundational sciences.
“Israel didn’t exist before 1948” , really ? Who was King Saul ? Who was King David ? Sorry there is no “West Bank” it’s called Judea ( the land of the Jew ). Jordan , God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac NOT the child of some Egyptian whore slave (Ishmael ) , salvation is of the Jews . Palestine comes from the word Philistine , they don’t exist anymore. There will be peace when the Arab loves their children more than they hate the Jews
Great interview. Great, great interview. Never knew Maajid before. Now I’ll never forget him. A true representation that pure religion is love, and a stellar example of building inter faith dialogue, and bridges instead of fences. Or offences. Thank you Jordan for inviting him.
What a beautiful conversation and meeting of the minds. Myself as an example, one does not need to be an intellect to grasp what these men have put forward. I may possibly repeat listening; there are such basic and “sacred” concepts. I hope the sacred concepts will spread far and wide. Please keep this in my heart and in the hearts of all good people on this earth. Thank you, so very much!❤🙏🌕
they said a whole lot of nothing, it was civil that's just about it.. but as for enlightening it was very much surface level.. but that's just my opinion
Thank you Jordan from the depths of my heart for showing me how to hear others I cannot agree with, but how to really listen and hear without fear. It seems to purge any prejudice in me and get me nearer to truth, which to me is peace. You, Jordon, have shown me the path nearer to the mind of God.
So much good stuff here. Going to have to watch this one a few times to unpack it all. Thank you Jordan and Maajid for the spectacular, thought provoking conversation!
could you imagine that far leftist woke King Charles knighting Jordan Peterson? He's far too busy destroying his own country to worry about recognizing exceptional people in the Commonwealth.
Maajid is a grifter and a snake in the grass, nothing more. He will lie to your face and you will swallow it, hook, line and sinker. He’s about as British as the halal meat and Sharia Law, that he supports. Get a clue.
JP should invite Netanyahu and Maajid to table for a conversation. Conversations like these ones are important for peace. Remember, when diplomacy fails, war begins
Another fantastic morning, thank you.. speaking to the sacred and to the forgotten is always enlightening. To embrace the challenge of language while embracing the sacred needs to be the first commitment of us all on a daily basis… 🙏
I'm happy Maajid mentioned Sufism and Ibn Arabi. I genuinely believe Dr. Peterson should dive more into Sufism generally and Ibn Arabi's philosophy specifically.
Maajids last Rogan appearance is one of the most important episodes of JRE. That and the latest James Lindsay episode. Check those out if you haven't yet.
Accepting yourself just the way you are is something you should only do for a moment. It involves looking at reality, and if we don’t accept the truth about who we are when we take that moment to look, so that we can deal with what’s not right, then we won’t really look. We won’t really see. Seeing the truth, accepting the truth about yourself is the first step to making all the little changes moment to moment, day by day, from year to year, and throughout our lifetimes.
personally i found netanyahu more convincing. not to play the blame game here, but just judging from the arguments of the two. on the other hand this guy is spot on when it comes to jabs and the attempted NWO stuff
I agree that Israel has a right to the land however the discussion is really other actors speaking though proxy and this is a problem. The point about exclusion is also true but on the Islamic side modern Israel is being said to not be the true Israel of biblical times which is a perfect example of exclusion linguistics.
Well done guys. That was a very interesting conversation. Maajid's wisdom reminded me a teaching I heard once from a rabbi about the loss of original speach - "the holy tongue", and the story of the tower of babel, still going on today.
Patrice ONeal used to say in O&A show that we were loosing the sense of context, back in like 2010, this great conversation proves him right, on that and many other things.
@@JohnSmith-vy4lhyou are right most Hashimite clan were real Jews while most communities around them were misguided so Mohammad introduced Islam which was a continuation of other tow Ibrahamic religions
Majid is such a smart man. I genuinely feel more intelligent just from listening to these 2. This is why I love Jordan. He interviews real intellectuals with real ideas and a good vision for peace.
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims… Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned. One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren. Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence). Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity. Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!) Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT) Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail. Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity. Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY). Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch) The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!! The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!! The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
He mentioned that the Muslim civilization should be included in the Judeo Christian one, which makes no sense whatsoever. How are Christians treated in the Muslim civilization? Very badly.
For those that don't know, my countryman Maajid Nawaz is a man that I respect and admire deeply. That past that he was alluding to was as a Muslim extremist. he's spent serious time in Egyptian prison that probably wasn't pretty. He's been through a lot. So him talking about peace here, as he often does, is a big deal.
Meh. I heard basically nothing "in response to Netanyahu." The discussion was fine, if a bit verbose and overwrought. I didn't need 1 hour and 40 minutes of jibber jabber to hear that the way to peace is through love and understanding. BTW, Maajid was wrong when he said "there was no such thing as Israel before 1948." (18:30) Israel and Judah were ancient areas of Canaan. So he's wrong by about 3,000 years. WTF was he talking about when he said we are arrogantly supporting war in Ukraine. 1:20:00 Also, I don't buy for an instant that he would have had a hunger strike for religions other than muslims. (1:21:00). Feel free to cite all his hunger strikes for the abuses of Christians or Jews in the Middle East.
I miss Majid on LBC. I got a bit tired of him and Brett banging on about lockdowns but as time goes by the more I see the voices needed platforms. Glad to see him getting some international exposure on this channel.
You gotta understand how much their reputation and lives changed as a result of being cancelled and treated like the black sheep for their views at the time. They must not let people forget how they were treated and how dangerous that was as a consequence of having a differing and challenging opinion-something that is now wildly accepted as the right questions/decisions
Bret and Maajid are true heroes. I am very impressed by what Maajid just achieved in this podcast talking to JBP. Three great souls. Hope the three of them get closer, would be great for us all. ❤️❤️❤️
@@chrisnam1603 I can see that but i just assumed he had a chance to talk to an exceptionally interesting person and that the subject didn't really matter to him that much. I also wondered that it might have been reasonable to avoid casting possible negative shade on Israel/jews now that he has the law case going on that is in a sense directed at his integrity as a human.
you mean like explore the verse in the Quran that says we are to smile on the outside and hate on the inside? Or explain why, suddenly, we are allowed to call Muslims from Jordan or Egypt, "Palestinians"...since words matter?
I have never watched any Daily Wire(DW) program before this one and my observation is this conversation(and others like this)is banned from CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc but it’s welcomed on DW. Thank you Dr Peterson.
Thank you Mr Peterson & Mr Nawaz..you both have given hope to my heart ...that we the people everywhere despite our differences we can find unity...that we as many people can create a living useful definition of harmony within differences. Deep respect to Mr Nawaz for offering teaching about your faith. It has made more clear the reading I have done in trying to understand Islam faith
Thank you Maajid for not letting that interview with Nitenyaho go without debate and correction !! I still see Mr. Peterson struggling to choose his words here in attempt to not be backfired and cancelled .
I would like to see a conversation in rebuttal to Netanyahu. This is a very broad conversation and doesn't share the same pinpointed focus that Netanyahu displayed in your previous conversation.
Listened to majid on lbc and was enraged when they removed him, I have now found him on this platform and applaud his absolute determination to have his vies of truth heard This interview altho way above my intellectual capacity was insightful and intriguing. I applaud these two very intelligent people and believe we can learn a lot from them. Pleased they have a platform
As a linguist it struck me that Maajid referred to "words" as "spells" and pointed out the oral tradition of the beduins. That is because I studied german linguistics, specifically old germanic literature and in Germany we have one (and sadly only one) transcript of pre-christian thus pagan "spells" (Called 'Merseburger Zaubersprüche - Merseburger Spells) written down by a monk in the middle ages. Now in these spells there's an incident described in which a horse is injured and the pagan god heals it's wounds with the spell. But if you translate the spell it actually is the case that the god just TELLS the wound what to do. It is literally just him saying: Now the bones get in order and now the blood gets in order... etc. So the interpretation is very possible, that for the pre-christian germanic tribes 'casting a spell' quite literally meant to utter words of power or to speak.
peace...hvnt heard what was said in interview..but jst to add if one may...words r connected to destiny...!! as per as u mentioned xtisnity....Allah's word and spirit ..iesu eisa ie jesus..comes to mind... dont k y said that..either way glad tidings as muhammed upon him peace n quran also says. that s.o.m will return....upon him peace too....bible says he ll come for not peace but sword..n islam says as a just judge.... back to spells n words...the paracaleet prophet...pbuh confirmed that some words can b spells along those lines anyway..ie some ppl used good positive words to cure diseases n he confirmed its possibility...ie as we hv something called ruqiah....goid spell excorsimsms etc bk to what comes to mind...vs may what being promoted here... prophecies say.....muslims the arab n not will onslaught onto stolen land now called israel from east side ie from jordan.....may truth n justice b done..n true tolerance n harmony as in time of palestine n those areas as was n will b under God Allah's kingdom n rule...n remba jesus soon come...peace shalom salam onto all who follow guidance of moses jesus n muhammed..ie of our commin forefather abraham...original submitter ie muslim... shalom ❤salam
Pre Christian Gaelic is a language of spells and metaphor. The linguistic context between these two fascinates me also. Peterson refused the 'spellmaking' dogmas of woke pronouns. Loved this conversation. Language is so so important to both of these men.
In 1867 Mark Twain visited Israel. He wrote: “The further we went the hotter the sun got & the more rocky, bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became…There was hardly a tree or a shrub any where. Even the olive & the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. The statement reflects his general attitude to the ancient land throughout his jour “Palestine is desolate & unlovely.The desolation of the landscape and the ugliness of its people. Most of the country is “a silent, mournful expanse,” dotted with “nasty” villages of “miserable huts” and “the usual assemblage of squalid humanity” - disfigured wretches “fringed with filthy rags” and “infested with vermin,” naked and “sore-eyed” children “in all stages of mutilation & decay.” ״Palestine sits in sackcloth & ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields & fettered its energies … Jericho lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even as Joshua’s miracle left it 3000 year ago; Bethlehem & Bethany, in their poverty & humiliationץ Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur & is become a pauper village.״
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon described some of the words as negative spells. Magic has lost its traditional connotations. Arabic and Hebrew revitalization can restore the original connotations
Dr. Peterson's preface summed it up Eph. 6. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Thank you to both men for this incredible discussion. Each man presented their points so eloquently They graciously accepted ideas and where there was disagreement, it was explained so beautifully and humbly. I long for these discussions and am weary of the division that keeps everyone ignorant of the truth . This podcast is a treasure to behold.
Oh how I wish it was people like the both of you who were the head of countries. President , prime minister. We so need you guys in this world. Thank you
@@leegrant7333 proper understanding, sussing out the issues, and every individual taking part in pursuing what would be best. Right now there's no proper diagnosis. How can there be a prescription?
@@leegrant7333 what I mean by babysitting, is that we can't select someone and then sit back. We need to select individuals that 1. Are representing us and we have a continued meaningful discourse with while they are in office. 2. Free us to make decisions on the local level. The solution to what's been going on is a civics engaged populace on the local level. Most things should be decided locally and very little top down authority. That also includes cutting nearly all taxes that are not local. Cut off the money and ability to dictate laws... Then it's left to people not to be lazy. If we can't be bothered and aren't educated and driven to create the communities we live in, then someone/government will occupy that open vacuum for power. It's tedious and involved. It requires every individual to be engaged. Then a representative system upwards of demarcated area that feels it's too large for more individuals or land to be included. (Pick a number of people/ square miles...). Regions then get represented. Each region has a majority local vote. Then that vote gets cast as one for the state---> national... This can be done live with transparency on all large scale policies or mandates. It should require public open discourse on the given issue for 1-3 weeks. With the platforms and tech we have, every shared community should have live chats, host town halls and discussions with the elected representative who is then obligated by law to provide services based on what the people decide. Voting on a frequent and transparent system where people can track their own votes and check the numbers against a registered population enrollment that is voluntary. Anyway..... it's simple, but would have moving parts and requires a lot of decentralized maintenance to insure integrity. Also highly decentralized. But then it requires a moral population with shared values that are dedicated to maintaining freedom.
I really like Maajid. That was a great conversation! As a Christian, I do think we all need each other no matter whether we are Jewish, Islamic, or Christian.
The answers is No. I’m a Christian , You say you a Christian but I can clearly see by your statement that you have not read the Quran and Hadith. The amount of pedophilia, hate against Jews and Christian is unbelievable. Islam is a violent religion if not a religion at all.
@@mogznwaz not really athiests see religion as a danger and want it gone so ofcourse it cant be together with the abrahamic religions(outliers dont matter fwi)
As an Orthodox Israeli Jew, I really enjoyed this conversation. The title had me defensive, but the content was inline with most of my personal beliefs.
Nice to see the outspoken out talk the outspoken. Never would have imagined I would have seen this happen to Jordan. Maajid is a giant too. I've heard him many times standing up to the goons from too many sides. Great to hear their conversation!
Thank you for producing and posting this discussion. @ 18:29 Your guest Maajid Nawaz is mistaken in the assertion, "There was no such place as Israel before 1948." One of, if not the greatest find of Finders Petrie, considered the father of modern archeology, was the Merneptah Stele, often call the Israel Stele. The Merneptah Stele, also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah, is an inscription by Merneptah, a pharaoh in ancient Egypt who reigned from 1213 to 1203 BCE. Discovered by Flinders Petrie at Thebes in 1896, it is now housed at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. It is one of four ancient stele containing reference to the region/kingdom of Yisrael dating from 1200 - 800 BCE. There are also numerous historical references to the nation state of Judea. There is indisputable biblical and extra-biblical proof that the nation state of Israel has existed on the same piece of real estate it now exists, dating back over 3000 years.
@@S.D.323 True but the Israelites are the only people ever to possess a sovereign nation state on that parcel of land, both historically and presently. That being the case, it is disingenuous to refer to them as occupiers. Israel's lands have been occupied by others, but Israel has never occupied any other nations land.
These kinds of interviews are necessary. Thank you, thank you for taking the bull by the horns and talking about all of these ideas in a professional manner. These kinds of interviews are priceless.
~Thank you Maajid, important and powerful. Much respect for JBP for continuing great philosophical dialogue. This is what media should present for us, for us all to evolve as a whole.
I’m 37 minutes in. I’ve listened and supported both in different periods of time; mainly because Maajid was in the public eye years before Jordan was. And it’s so great that in some form or way people like this (and me) have brought these ideas together. Because it’s that important to do so.
Another great interview, but Maajid was wrong with his criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel didn't exist before 1947, As Netanyahu spoke about Israel did exist 3500 years ago which goes to what Netanyahu was saying that the Muslim don't recognize. Also with his criticism about the squatting, Netanyahu argued when you invest in the place you occupy you put down roots and are more entwined with the land. As Mark Twain wrote “The further we went the hotter the sun got, and the more rocky and bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became…There was hardly a tree or a shrub any where. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. The statement reflects his general attitude to the ancient land throughout his journey.Exactly what Netanyahu spoke about and so the Jews returned and started to rebuild and offer árabes a better way of life.And the rest of your interview was very absorbing.
Thanks a lot for this very interresting debate to both Majid and Jordan. The weight of language is underestimated in our societies to the point of causing wars, this is true.
There was an element of solzenhytzen in Maajid when he spoke about having to explore all the ways he had contributed to the problems he was trying to solve. Beautiful interview 🥰
He said it first and then stuffed it back in his shirt for the rest of the conversation. "On the Terrorism side of things". That is exactly right. Thank you for being honest.
JBP - you allowed Maajid to speak freely without interruption, this was fantastic!
Amen. They _both_ allowed the other their full say. That's how it should be.
Yeah wonderful Jordan 👍✌️♥️🙏
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To be fair; Maajid took liberty of butting in when he needed to make his clarifications heard, more so than Jordan was lavish with time given freely to Maajid. 👀👍
Let truth be above “what sounds good”. 🗽🏆
I agree. Jordans enthusiasm is a key part of his conversations, but it often interferes with the guest's time to formulate ideas.
This conversation was noticeably different. And as a result, I got a lot of new Ideas (or another spin on ideas I heard before).
If this was on purpose: good job Jordan :D
I think, combined with your extremely broad range of guests (with unique ideas) this spirit can make your, already outstanding podcast, ... well, dangerously transforming... Or something like that^^
You probably won't read this yourself, but for the small chance that you do I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart dr. Peterson. I have been depressed for about 9 years and your video's gave me the courage to seek help. I found out I have a mental illness and I have medication now that works extremely well for me. I am really greatful for all you have done, because without you I'm not sure this message would have ever been written. I was as low mentally as you could imagine. You saved my life and you saved my family from alot of missery. ❤
All the best mate
I’m so happy for you
What you have just shared gives Jordon the most satisfaction. I started watching his classroom lectures years ago now and I knew he was special.
Keep going.❤
Jordan is like the narrator of the world's best essays, but in real time. Genius level conduct of any langauge.
Love listening to intelligent/open minded/well educated men. refreshing in this lunatic times
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND
China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims…
Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned.
One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren.
Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence).
Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity.
Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!)
Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT)
Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail.
Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity.
Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY).
Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force
Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch)
The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!!
The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!!
The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
4:34 - Maajid’s smile when Jordan talks about the Cathy Newman interview communicates so much without a single word. So satisfying. I feel the same way, Maajid.
Absolutely love this. Love what Mr Peterson is doing. Keep an open mind, stay true, and communicate.
What a time to be alive and watch such remarkable conversation between these man who have their conduct so on point. What a shame we couldn't have our governors to look anything like these two gentleman..
Maajid was an excellent guest -- honorable, well-spoken, and incredibly thoughtful. And of course Jordan was as great as ever. What an excellent interview.
I absolutely love how JP listens and takes notes. If there is anyone who can show world leaders, or anyone for that matter, how to properly engage in a debate or conversation it's him. You don't have to agree with someone to respect them and their perspective. The world is in dire need of effective communication.
He’s drawing pictures of dicks in the margin, man.
respect should be earned, not given freely. they have earned rejection.
I've noticed that Brand takes notes too.
Hence the interview with Netanyahu which was nothing like him and was like a paid and forced political campaign.
@@Talbot305 That's been his only interview I sensed to be somewhat disingenuous.
Dr. JP, I love how you take pillars of idea networks and simplify them to the point anyone can understand and discuss. Incredibly grateful for your service and dedication. Take care
I don't believe I have ever seen two people speak with such a deep, passionate understanding of humanity... What a great gift these men have given the world by embracing humility to the extent that they could wrestle with these ideas and share them with us...
God bless both of you... 🙏
Hello, those were also my thoughts.
It drew together threads of my own thoughts into a wider realisation.
It crystallised that, for the first time, all humans are now in jeopardy, due to the beliefs and actions of other humans. Rather than as a consequence of the natural world.
@@RojaJaneman I listen to a lot of people speak on many different topics.. Perhaps you have a suggestion?
@@RojaJaneman Philosophy, psychology, poetry, religion and to a lesser degree current events...
@@mclagett1043 If you haven't seen them yet, I like Roger Scruton's videos on Truth and Beauty, etc.
I also highly recommend Ayaan Hirsi Ali's, "The Market for Victimhood".
You can recommend something to me. I am interested in all those same things you are. (Currently, I am trying to keep up on the "trans fad", craziness).
You sound quite cowardly son!
I love Mr Jordan Peterson...ever time I watch Jordan Peterson content, I am educated and he opens my mind. He is a Legend and one of our times Greatest Minds. Thank you
Maajid is an absolute gem, he really bolstered me during the height of the nonsense. They got him off of UK TV because of it, but he didn't stop talking. I'm proud to call him my countryman.
Words are indeed spells Maajid.
And he's correct when he says that he spoke out against antisemitism. He's spoken out about Muslim grooming gangs. He spoke out against the lockdowns.
He's a man of principle.
The man has courage, clarity and compassion by the spadeful - rare to find someone so articulate in the political arena who also has a sense of spiritual oneness and who is not afraid to invoke it ..
@@leegrant7333 And you claim that you are the one to judge? Funny.
@@leegrant7333 so Jordan doesn't claim his knowledge as validated by his education certifications and clinical work? You're flat wrong here. Claims to Authority are one thing, but experiential knowledge should not be assumed to be Claims To Authority like you are trying to equate them in your comment.
He doesn’t stop to let JP talk
As a jew that is closely following the, say, muslim-jewish situation, I have to say this is gold. It's hard for me to listen to the other side but I try and push myself. I've just listened to this and I got to say, Maajid is a man that I deeply respect and can learn from. People like him can make jew-muslim peace a possibility and conversations like these as well. Thank you!
Salaam, shalom!
I can say the same thing as an Arab. It's hard for me to listen to the other side. But I do respect Jewish people on an individual basis. I really like Ben Shapiro for example. I would never agree with him when it comes to Israel but I like his takes on other important matters and he lives a respectable life.
there's no muslim-jewish issues, it's the zionism we're against
no peace with zionists
Jews and Muslims have always been at peace it’s Israel that tore it apart Muslims have always given Jews refuge and protection from Christian persecution that’s why 65% of Israeli Jews are from Muslim and Arab lands and why when Muslim Spain fell Jews left with Muslims to Morocco when Portugal started killing Jews then Jews came to turkey when the first crusaders came Jews fought with Muslims and when jerselum fell from Muslim control Jews were expelled and were allowed to return after 89 years when Muslims retook it under Saladin and also in 637ac when umar the second caliph of Islam for the first time led Muslims to conqueror Jerusalem and the whole Palestine and took Palestine from the Romans he allowed Jews to return and our sources mention he cried and fell to his knees and started cleaning it himself and soon the whole Arab army started cleaning it when he seen how the Roman’s turned the western wall to a dumpster site where they would put their feces and other garbage like imagine the leader of the Muslim world the most powerful man on the face of this earth is crying and cleaning the holy site of the Jews and also he asked the Christian high bishop “where are the Jews” and the Christian bishop said “ we killed or expelled them all or mostly all of them except a few” and umar said “ how can you expel the Jews,when some of our most blessed prophets were from them” and umar decreed that Jews were allowed to return and he wanted a former Jewish convert to Islam to bring 10 Jewish families and umar would pay for them to live there like the Jews survived because Muslim gave them protection from Christian europe if there was no Islam or Muslims then Christian’s would’ve conquered the whole Middle East and North Africa and they would’ve eventually exterminated the Jews but because of Muslims they could never do that because we would protect Jews with our own lives and Jews were apart of us and we have great respect for them and we worship the same god and we revere all the Jewish prophets & Jews were welcomed in Muslim lands and it’s was their home and they were apart of it like I seen Iraqi Jews cry when Iraq was getting invaded and Libyan Jews cry when Libya was getting invaded and I seen I video of a 80 year old Libyan jew saying “ they’re bombing Libya they’re bombing my country” and I swear that made me cry because Jews were apart of our societies and it’s sad Zionism and Zionist tricked and made them feel they were different and that their countries were not their countries and were Muslim countries and that they would never be welcomed you see all expulsion and attack on Jews in Muslim lands happened after Israel and Zionism started and Zionist are disgusting inhumane thieves and savages
Thank Zionism for the chaos. Muslims jews christians lived peacefully before zionism.
Unity, peace, and love brothers. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Jordan is on another level with his intellect and grasp of the truth on a whole host of topics. I love to see him in action and feel blessed to have such a man on this platform. Great Britain is not what it used to be, that's for sure 🇬🇧
Thank you Jordan and Maajid. I'm incredibly grateful to be a part of this conversation if only as a listener. It would have taken me many lifetimes to reach the wisdom you both demonstrate in this conversation.
I can say similar as I would need at least another lifetime.
No matter the point where we all are in our learned knowledge, let us hope we will continue to seek and learn more everyday.
I have several grandchildren and young friends and I try to influence them to have a love for learning ❤️
You sound craven.
Have a love for learning hypocrisy, shame, words couched in internal meanings that disqualified one group of people and to elevate another, is that what means to learning.
He only made pro Israelites happy while not even caring about the sentiments of the Palestinians who are being deprived of their rights and being brutality discriminated against by Apartheid state of Israel. Showed his true colour and where his interests lie.
@@najmaalikhan So so sad...Barely nobody advocates those who've already lost their voice to report their ongoing struggle and are held back from being able to determine their own path.
OMG YES! He did the smartest move he could possibly have done! True discourse!
SO POWERFUL!! Listening to this discourse is extremely pleasurable. Feeling the presence of Him, who presides over us all. 🙏
You sound craven!!
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND
China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims…
Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned.
One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren.
Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence).
Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity.
Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!)
Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT)
Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail.
Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity.
Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY).
Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force
Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch)
The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!!
The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!!
The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND
China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims…
Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned.
One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren.
Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence).
Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity.
Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!)
Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT)
Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail.
Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity.
Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY).
Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force
Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch)
The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!!
The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!!
The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
Incredible interview. Pure Gold. Amazing how both men are warriors in defense of language. In this they are truly united. Peterson rose to fame by refusing to allow his language to be hijacked and policed into incomprehensible pronouns. Brilliant and gripping discussion!!! This is what mature dialogue looks like
Nawaz is the most boring, word salad-er I've heard since forever. He prattles on and on and never says a damn thing.
In this lunatic times, I think letting my ears flow in this incredible talk, release a big dose of positivity and makes me see this world utterly positive, so my salute goes from the heart to Jordan Peterson and Mr.Maajid ! Thank you
You sound craven!!!!!
@@salvatoreadrade5464 says the musketeer behind his screen, holding his keyboard, spreading courage aroud !
A fine conversation between two men I have great respect for. Thank you both for your insights, the work that you do, and for being a genuine force for good.
I don't usually fall in love with documentaries, but this one is stunningly beautiful. A masterpiece!
You sound craven
Bernard Baars, the inventor of the Global Workspace theory of consciousness? Small world
What documentary?
Thank you so much Jordan and Maajid for this brilliant upload . We need more active voices for truth and peace
Meanwhile....
Another top tier dialogue! Maajid has articulated precisely what it is we are in the midst of. Thank you both (all) so much for this episode !
You sound very craven.
Majjid's first response was incredibly gripping. As the interview went on you could unpack Majjid's mission on a metaphysical level. This was an unbelievable conversation between two very intelligent individuals.
He never answered the main question.. did Bibi say anything not factual? Kind of amazing that ppl allow the Palestinians to lie about history but get mad when the Israelis speak the truth
I don't think I have ever witnessed a conversation as in depth as this one. JP was extremely humble too, which made me respect him even more, the opposite reaction to what most expect to humility.
Yes absolutely 💯 agree!!!
I didn't think so. When he mentioned the idea that Islam isn't accepted in the Christian civilization, I think that the conversation should have stopped right there for him to expand on what he meant. If he assumes that an apartheid civilization should be accepted by an open one, then I'd say he's got a few screws loose.
@@SurpriseMeJT The only Apartheid state is Israel.
I felt humbled by this interview. It made me realize that I need to do a much better job of giving people an audience to help me understand their point of view. I know I dismiss people too easily when I don’t share their fundamental beliefs. It’s really about showing love, patience, respect and giving the gift of time to those who want to share their story. “Freely you have received, freely give”.
Beautifully Said.
The most beautiful part is how they start off with all the similarities, which creates an immediate bond of respect. Among them and also with me as a viewer. Really eye opening
Very well said. So grateful for this eye and heart opening conversation. Respect for both Jordan Peterson and Maajid Nawaz for their profound knowledge and underdranding things as they are.
No, it's not about giving 'love'.
Don't link it with a fleeting and fickle emotion such as love, because the minute you no longer have love, or the minute you actually feel hate, you'll no longer do it.
It's about having a fundamental and genuine interest in the TRUTH.
Once you have that, you'll need patience and respect.
If you have a genuine interest in the truth, you'll want to engage with people instead of dismissing them, because you're actively seeking the truth. And hearing other people's views and opposite views is one of the best and most efficient ways to arrive at truths.
If you engage with people with opposite views, you'll need patience and respect in order to hold a proper conversation, WITHOUT letting your emotions take control. Patience and respect will act as a deterrent to the rampart emotions that may arise from a heated debate / conversation.
And throughout the conversation, your genuine interest in the truth, will be the driving force that allows you to navigate it.
You dirtbags have one thing in common, an Envy of Islam and that's what brings you all together.
Honestly, i don't hear anyone saying Benjamin nathanyahu was factually incorrect on his prior interview with Jordan Peterson
I loved this entire conversation. I'm a Lebanese Christian, and I've seen the other end of exclusionary language that's used here in Lebanon where Israel is considered the enemy that needs to be exterminated in order for Palestinians to reclaim their land. Very well done by Nawaz who considering his background has never once mentioned any retaliation against the Jews and in fact has defended them during anti-Semitic waves. He is also dead-on about there being people on both sides who benefit from the continuation of the conflict, one of them being Hezbollah which uses it to create fear among his followers and maintain a grip on the Lebanese government.
As for the topic of language and its lost context, I think this idea interestingly enough isn't a strange one to artists. An artist knows this diminishing effect of the destructive and analysing brain and avoids it as much as possible. Lots of painters refuse to post their renditions online, even for whatever viewing price, because not experiencing them in person is meaningless and removes the context of it. This is also similar to those who cannot stand using digital cameras and instead use the old Polaroids and like to feel the image in their hands after they've taken it.
It's applicable to music as well, where hearing a song through earphones or the phone speaker loses so much of the full extent of musical information that you can hear in headphones or high-fidelity sound systems.
I wish there were contributors who worked on reviving the lost meanings of the text in the same way that Nawaz did here. Because not only have we lost the context of Arabic, we've nearly stopped using it altogether.
Listened to Brigitte Gabriel. Harrowing origin story. Wish you all the best.
@@jsbrads1 Hold up, I've never heard of her before and looking her up now she seems a bit extremist. Sure she had it tough growing up in the Lebanese civil war, who hasn't? But that's no excuse for her current views.
To be clear I am not insinuating any anti-muslim narrative in my comment above. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that does not represent any comprehensive subset of muslims, but rather uses tactics of propagandistic fearmongering to force muslims in lebanon into siding with them and keep them in political power.
@@schizophrenicenthusiast which views of hers don’t you like?
@@jsbrads1 almost everything as 99.9% of Lebanese people for good reasons. She talks in a form that makes her look insightful and intellectual but does t have much substance. It’s all fluff.
This beef isn’t about Christians vs Jews it’s about Muslims vs Jews
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Habibti it shows your last comment to Rachel Fernandez you legit copied her comment lollll but it’s ok I get your motivation
Now that’s what I call a conversation! 2 very prominent highly qualified « influencers » doing a great effort for humanity. Let’s spread this!!
No conversation, one said JudoChristian west, other said JudoChrisrianIslamic west. one said Abrah acord is inclusive, other said exclusive. Everyone said his point without real engegement.
The “solution” to conflict in the Middle East is easy…temporary peace will come for a little while from a man pretending to be both the muslim and jewish messiah once Christians disappear, then more war will follow, then Jesus will appear and people will finally realize He is God. Otherwise, peace cannot happen in the Middle East…ever.
@@Daniel2020Dj why do you think a good conversation needs to imply a real engagement?
@@christophenevejan4782 The word “conversation” derives from two Latin roots; namely com meaning “together” and versare meaning “to turn.” Hence it literally means “turning together” - perhaps a daily life understanding of structural coupling.
You sound craven!
BRO this whole conversation elevated me spiritually and intellectually. This perspective aligns with Islam and probably other abrahamic faiths too. It is essentially brining back spirituality into our daily lives and interactions.
This is the conversation that is needed across all boards…Loved it …proper,appropriate,full of soul.❤
You sound quite craven.
Another American or Pakistani illiterate in Islam? or someone who thinks Islam isn't modern enough? Majid Nawaz has been a black sheep of the Muslims.
Majid Nawaz isn't the best person to speak up for Muslims and Islam.
he is a tool and by defination is fascist, liberal and anti-islamic moron.
He kept going against Islam and Muslim to enrich himself while sitting in night clubs and using foul langauge while publically sexualizing his own wife.
His basic morals and values are totally messed up; his institution failed and stopped when funding stopped.
now knowing him and his institution that he has built, he will shake hands with zionist to sell Islam and Muslims again to enrich himself.
The dude doesn't even speak arabic. he is pakistani moron who has no basic ground in fiqh sciences and Islamic foundational sciences.
Totally agree with you, brilliant conversation.
“Israel didn’t exist before 1948” , really ? Who was King Saul ? Who was King David ? Sorry there is no “West Bank” it’s called Judea ( the land of the Jew ).
Jordan , God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac NOT the child of some Egyptian whore slave (Ishmael ) , salvation is of the Jews . Palestine comes from the word Philistine , they don’t exist anymore.
There will be peace when the Arab loves their children more than they hate the Jews
"Every point on a sphere is the centre of the sphere, and yet, still a point" - Maajid, on collective individuals 🔥
Great interview. Great, great interview. Never knew Maajid before. Now I’ll never forget him. A true representation that pure religion is love, and a stellar example of building inter faith dialogue, and bridges instead of fences. Or offences. Thank you Jordan for inviting him.
What a beautiful conversation and meeting of the minds. Myself as an example, one does not need to be an intellect to grasp what these men have put forward. I may possibly repeat listening; there are such basic and “sacred” concepts. I hope the sacred concepts will spread far and wide. Please keep this in my heart and in the hearts of all good people on this earth.
Thank you, so very much!❤🙏🌕
Maajid Nawaz helped me feel the 'othering' in a way I've only intellectualized before. Beautifully stated, sir.
It’s good to hear two great voices so very eloquently describe and voice opposition to the misguided path that we are being set upon. Thank you both!
There is a lot of 'stage setting' by Maajid and when he eventually gets to his points, he sound like any old deranged Islamic supremist.
What a wonderful and enlightening conversation. We all need much much more of these.
You sound craven!!!
they said a whole lot of nothing, it was civil that's just about it.. but as for enlightening it was very much surface level.. but that's just my opinion
Thank you Jordan from the depths of my heart for showing me how to hear others I cannot agree with, but how to really listen and hear without fear. It seems to purge any prejudice in me and get me nearer to truth, which to me is peace. You, Jordon, have shown me the path nearer to the mind of God.
So much good stuff here. Going to have to watch this one a few times to unpack it all. Thank you Jordan and Maajid for the spectacular, thought provoking conversation!
You sound cowardly
Sir Jordan Peterson is a rare rare gem who changed countless lives for better.
❤️❤️
He is what most of us alive is. You got to think about the rest of the world. All the crazies are a very small part of the western society
could you imagine that far leftist woke King Charles knighting Jordan Peterson? He's far too busy destroying his own country to worry about recognizing exceptional people in the Commonwealth.
I thought I was a fan of LBC and then Maajid left and I couldn’t understand why it was going downhill. Now I know.
Maajid is a British gem!
Maajid is a grifter and a snake in the grass, nothing more. He will lie to your face and you will swallow it, hook, line and sinker. He’s about as British as the halal meat and Sharia Law, that he supports. Get a clue.
His shows were memory-holed as thought-crime
JP should invite Netanyahu and Maajid to table for a conversation. Conversations like these ones are important for peace. Remember, when diplomacy fails, war begins
Another fantastic morning, thank you.. speaking to the sacred and to the forgotten is always enlightening. To embrace the challenge of language while embracing the sacred needs to be the first commitment of us all on a daily basis… 🙏
I'm happy Maajid mentioned Sufism and Ibn Arabi. I genuinely believe Dr. Peterson should dive more into Sufism generally and Ibn Arabi's philosophy specifically.
Listened to him every Sunday on LBC. Thank you!
Is it good?
@@adnankazim88 they sacked him
I love these open debates and fair exchange of communication
Maajids last Rogan appearance is one of the most important episodes of JRE. That and the latest James Lindsay episode.
Check those out if you haven't yet.
James Lindsay having a convo with Jordan would be amazing.
Yes the JRE episode with Maajid is CLASSIC
What about? Can you share please?
I have no idea who they are.
Genuine question, thank you.
James Lindsay is a dork
@@W.Shakespeare How so?
This is one of the best podcast episodes I have ever heard, ever.
I agree. This is such an important conversation.
FINALLY! After all this time. Good job on viewing both parts of the issue and actually setting up the meeting
I love both of these men so very very much! This is the sort of example that needs to be set amongst the whole world
Jordan was colonized, I am afraid!
Accepting yourself just the way you are is something you should only do for a moment. It involves looking at reality, and if we don’t accept the truth about who we are when we take that moment to look, so that we can deal with what’s not right, then we won’t really look. We won’t really see. Seeing the truth, accepting the truth about yourself is the first step to making all the little changes moment to moment, day by day, from year to year, and throughout our lifetimes.
I think that the level of verbal intelligence of both participants is simply outstanding
Yes I can’t articulate my self on that level but i enjoy listening
I appreciate you so much Doctor Peterson 🙏
@@well-8814 your complaint has been seen and will be forwarded to the manager thanks for your input Karen
@@well-8814 I don't care for the opinions of narcissistic troll demons your words mean nothing to me
I’m Jewish, and I would follow this man’s lead. Remarkable thinker and proponent of good.
I love seeing Maajid describe awakening to see past his blindside. Seeing people do that is one of the highlights of my life.
personally i found netanyahu more convincing. not to play the blame game here, but just judging from the arguments of the two.
on the other hand this guy is spot on when it comes to jabs and the attempted NWO stuff
Ah, interesting. I thought it was a typical politician waxing lyrical 😊
I agree that Israel has a right to the land however the discussion is really other actors speaking though proxy and this is a problem. The point about exclusion is also true but on the Islamic side modern Israel is being said to not be the true Israel of biblical times which is a perfect example of exclusion linguistics.
True
Net in Yahoo 🐍 even if I agree with the Israeli position.
@@abumansaray7 archeology
Well done guys. That was a very interesting conversation. Maajid's wisdom reminded me a teaching I heard once from a rabbi about the loss of original speach - "the holy tongue", and the story of the tower of babel, still going on today.
Enlightening dialogue. Thank you Jordan and Maajid. Peace.
So happy to see that there are men like these educating the world - a real sense of hope for humanity going forward. Thank you for sharing.
Man, what a stimulating conversation. Love listening to Majid, and of course JP
This was a phenomenal conversation to listen to. I was gripped the whole way through. Many thanks 🙏
Patrice ONeal used to say in O&A show that we were loosing the sense of context, back in like 2010, this great conversation proves him right, on that and many other things.
This is the most beautiful, insightful, respectful, and thought-provoking conversation I have witnessed in my 35 year long life
that's sad
@shalomshalom8715 Well Mohammad was a crypto jew, so it not surprising there's similarities.
@@johnnysilverhand1733Peterson is a disinformation operative, a puppet of the global elites.
@@JohnSmith-vy4lhyou are right most Hashimite clan were real Jews while most communities around them were misguided so Mohammad introduced Islam which was a continuation of other tow Ibrahamic religions
Majid is such a smart man. I genuinely feel more intelligent just from listening to these 2. This is why I love Jordan. He interviews real intellectuals with real ideas and a good vision for peace.
MORALITY IS CLOUR BLIND
China Incarcerated 2 million Muslim Uyghurs into hard labour & indoctrination camps. Shaving Muslim men beards. Sterilizing Muslim Uyghur women.Barbaric & demonic ethnic genocide of Muslims…
Peaceful buddhist Tibet invaded by China in 1950 (world’s biggest SETTLEMENT), Chinese SETTLERS reside at Tibetan ancestral & sacred real estate. While the Dalai Lama is forced to hide in India. Nice going… Over 1.2 million out of 6 Tibetans killed, at least 6000 monasteries destroyed & thousands of Tibetans imprisoned.
One million Muslim Syrians butchered in Muslim Syria by Muslim Syrian brethren.
Benevolent, cuddly & super friendly Iran publicly declares intent to annihilate Israel & is weeks away from putting nuclear bombs on a ballistic missile. (they (3000 thus far according to US intelligence).
Iran is hard at work crushing thousands of peaceful demonstrators with live ammunition. Demonstrators seeking an end to draconian religious rules are killed in wholesale quantity.
Turkey invaded Cypress in 1974 (war), Erected a demonic wall to divide Muslims & Christian Cypriots into settlements. (APARTHEID ON STEROIDS!)
Since 1985, butchered 35,000 Independence seeking Kurdish freedom fighters seeking to regain ancestral Kurdistan (ILLEGAL TURKISH SETTLEMENT)
Critical Turkish journalists & countless judges-in jail.
Palestinians are hard at work executing homosexuals & Muslims who converted to Christianity.
Russia bombarded Independence seeking Muslim Chechnya back to the Stone Age. 200,000 Muslim men, Muslim women & Muslim children killed in Grozny in ’93. (ILLEGAL RUSSIAN SETTLEMENT AMONG MANY).
Annexed Crimea & Eastern Georgia & Ukraine by force
Downed a Malaysian Airline (MH 17) passenger jet over Ukraine with Russian sophisticated anti air missiles. 298 killed (mostly Dutch)
The time to return Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, N & S Dakota, Montana & Wyoming SETTLEMENTS to brutalized & genocided indigenous Indians is NOW!!!
The time to return Nevada, California & Texas SETTLEMENTS to theirbrutalized, traumatized, aching, yelping & genocided indigenous MEXICANS is NOW!!!
The time to expose, despise, reject & crush your diabolical & pathological penchant for selective justice, sickening bias, relative morality, antisemitism & intentional disinformation is now!
He mentioned that the Muslim civilization should be included in the Judeo Christian one, which makes no sense whatsoever. How are Christians treated in the Muslim civilization? Very badly.
For those that don't know, my countryman Maajid Nawaz is a man that I respect and admire deeply. That past that he was alluding to was as a Muslim extremist. he's spent serious time in Egyptian prison that probably wasn't pretty. He's been through a lot. So him talking about peace here, as he often does, is a big deal.
From a wester perspective, I found his words enlightening. Peace be with you friend
Meh. I heard basically nothing "in response to Netanyahu." The discussion was fine, if a bit verbose and overwrought. I didn't need 1 hour and 40 minutes of jibber jabber to hear that the way to peace is through love and understanding. BTW, Maajid was wrong when he said "there was no such thing as Israel before 1948." (18:30) Israel and Judah were ancient areas of Canaan. So he's wrong by about 3,000 years. WTF was he talking about when he said we are arrogantly supporting war in Ukraine. 1:20:00 Also, I don't buy for an instant that he would have had a hunger strike for religions other than muslims. (1:21:00). Feel free to cite all his hunger strikes for the abuses of Christians or Jews in the Middle East.
I miss Majid on LBC. I got a bit tired of him and Brett banging on about lockdowns but as time goes by the more I see the voices needed platforms. Glad to see him getting some international exposure on this channel.
You gotta understand how much their reputation and lives changed as a result of being cancelled and treated like the black sheep for their views at the time. They must not let people forget how they were treated and how dangerous that was as a consequence of having a differing and challenging opinion-something that is now wildly accepted as the right questions/decisions
The lockdowns were a massive failure
Bret and Maajid are true heroes. I am very impressed by what Maajid just achieved in this podcast talking to JBP. Three great souls. Hope the three of them get closer, would be great for us all. ❤️❤️❤️
Just loved this conversation... And Maajid you never fail to amaze us. Thank you!!! Please another round of conversation is requested!!!
You sound very craven
@@salvatoreadrade5464 You sound like you're in a calamity
Bro said Dangermouse tho🧐
@@salvatoreadrade5464 is this all you know what to reply to commenters?! 😂
Thank you for exploring the other side of this issue. Didn't think you would bother to do it.
When you listen to Jordan, you know he cares about so so much and gives his all to make it better in any way he can.
@@chrisnam1603 I can see that but i just assumed he had a chance to talk to an exceptionally interesting person and that the subject didn't really matter to him that much. I also wondered that it might have been reasonable to avoid casting possible negative shade on Israel/jews now that he has the law case going on that is in a sense directed at his integrity as a human.
Disrespectful that's what you are
you mean like explore the verse in the Quran that says we are to smile on the outside and hate on the inside? Or explain why, suddenly, we are allowed to call Muslims from Jordan or Egypt, "Palestinians"...since words matter?
@@David-ev3un stop these lies, read the Quran yourself
I have never watched any Daily Wire(DW) program before this one and my observation is this conversation(and others like this)is banned from CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc but it’s welcomed on DW.
Thank you Dr Peterson.
Thank you Mr Peterson & Mr Nawaz..you both have given hope to my heart ...that we the people everywhere despite our differences we can find unity...that we as many people can create a living useful definition of harmony within differences.
Deep respect to Mr Nawaz for offering teaching about your faith. It has made more clear the reading I have done in trying to understand Islam faith
A beautiful conversation. Unity in our humanity 🙏
What an excellent, enlightening, and profound conversation/discussion, so very helpful for self-reflection. Thanks to both of you.
Thank you Maajid for not letting that interview with Nitenyaho go without debate and correction !! I still see Mr. Peterson struggling to choose his words here in attempt to not be backfired and cancelled .
Thanks Maajid, happy to hear you clear things up with Jordan. Thankful. Love you both.
Best JBP podcast ever. Thanks Maajid.
I would like to see a conversation in rebuttal to Netanyahu. This is a very broad conversation and doesn't share the same pinpointed focus that Netanyahu displayed in your previous conversation.
The fact that people write such coherent and well-composed comments on every one of JBP's TH-cam videos gives me some small hope for humanity yet.
Listened to majid on lbc and was enraged when they removed him, I have now found him on this platform and applaud his absolute determination to have his vies of truth heard
This interview altho way above my intellectual capacity was insightful and intriguing.
I applaud these two very intelligent people and believe we can learn a lot from them.
Pleased they have a platform
I miss him on that radio station too! I can barely stand it now.
LBC shot themselves in the foot for letting him go.
As a linguist it struck me that Maajid referred to "words" as "spells" and pointed out the oral tradition of the beduins. That is because I studied german linguistics, specifically old germanic literature and in Germany we have one (and sadly only one) transcript of pre-christian thus pagan "spells" (Called 'Merseburger Zaubersprüche - Merseburger Spells) written down by a monk in the middle ages.
Now in these spells there's an incident described in which a horse is injured and the pagan god heals it's wounds with the spell. But if you translate the spell it actually is the case that the god just TELLS the wound what to do. It is literally just him saying: Now the bones get in order and now the blood gets in order... etc.
So the interpretation is very possible, that for the pre-christian germanic tribes 'casting a spell' quite literally meant to utter words of power or to speak.
peace...hvnt heard what was said in interview..but jst to add if one may...words r connected to destiny...!! as per as u mentioned xtisnity....Allah's word and spirit ..iesu eisa ie jesus..comes to mind...
dont k y said that..either way glad tidings as muhammed upon him peace n quran also says. that s.o.m will return....upon him peace too....bible says he ll come for not peace but sword..n islam says as a just judge....
back to spells n words...the paracaleet prophet...pbuh confirmed that some words can b spells along those lines anyway..ie some ppl used good positive words to cure diseases n he confirmed its possibility...ie as we hv something called ruqiah....goid spell excorsimsms etc
bk to what comes to mind...vs may what being promoted here... prophecies say.....muslims the arab n not will onslaught onto stolen land now called israel from east side ie from jordan.....may truth n justice b done..n true tolerance n harmony as in time of palestine n those areas as was n will b under God Allah's kingdom n rule...n remba jesus soon come...peace shalom salam onto all who follow guidance of moses jesus n muhammed..ie of our commin forefather abraham...original submitter ie muslim...
shalom ❤salam
Pre Christian Gaelic is a language of spells and metaphor. The linguistic context between these two fascinates me also. Peterson refused the 'spellmaking' dogmas of woke pronouns. Loved this conversation. Language is so so important to both of these men.
In 1867 Mark Twain visited Israel. He wrote:
“The further we went the hotter the sun got & the more rocky, bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became…There was hardly a tree or a shrub any where. Even the olive & the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. The statement reflects his general attitude to the ancient land throughout his jour “Palestine is desolate & unlovely.The desolation of the landscape and the ugliness of its people. Most of the country is “a silent, mournful expanse,” dotted with “nasty” villages of “miserable huts” and “the usual assemblage of squalid humanity” - disfigured wretches “fringed with filthy rags” and “infested with vermin,” naked and “sore-eyed” children “in all stages of mutilation & decay.”
״Palestine sits in sackcloth & ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields & fettered its energies … Jericho lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even as Joshua’s miracle left it 3000 year ago; Bethlehem & Bethany, in their poverty & humiliationץ Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur & is become a pauper village.״
This has been said 1000 times in 1000 places.
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon described some of the words as negative spells. Magic has lost its traditional connotations. Arabic and Hebrew revitalization can restore the original connotations
Wonderful conversation. Again creating peace with words. Please continue what you are doing. Thank you.
Dr. Peterson's preface summed it up
Eph. 6. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I love this verse
Thank you to both men for this incredible discussion. Each man presented their points so eloquently
They graciously accepted ideas and where there was disagreement, it was explained so beautifully and humbly. I long for these discussions and am weary of the division that keeps everyone ignorant of the truth . This podcast is a treasure to behold.
Oh how I wish it was people like the both of you who were the head of countries. President , prime minister. We so need you guys in this world. Thank you
Can you imagine? Just what we could achieve? It is so sad, just how far away we are from such a world..... .. . . .
It's up to us. The people can choose to install good people. But it means we don't obfuscate responsibility and demand a nanny takes care of us.
@@leegrant7333 proper understanding, sussing out the issues, and every individual taking part in pursuing what would be best. Right now there's no proper diagnosis. How can there be a prescription?
@@leegrant7333 what I mean by babysitting, is that we can't select someone and then sit back. We need to select individuals that 1. Are representing us and we have a continued meaningful discourse with while they are in office.
2. Free us to make decisions on the local level.
The solution to what's been going on is a civics engaged populace on the local level. Most things should be decided locally and very little top down authority. That also includes cutting nearly all taxes that are not local.
Cut off the money and ability to dictate laws... Then it's left to people not to be lazy. If we can't be bothered and aren't educated and driven to create the communities we live in, then someone/government will occupy that open vacuum for power.
It's tedious and involved. It requires every individual to be engaged.
Then a representative system upwards of demarcated area that feels it's too large for more individuals or land to be included. (Pick a number of people/ square miles...). Regions then get represented. Each region has a majority local vote. Then that vote gets cast as one for the state---> national...
This can be done live with transparency on all large scale policies or mandates. It should require public open discourse on the given issue for 1-3 weeks. With the platforms and tech we have, every shared community should have live chats, host town halls and discussions with the elected representative who is then obligated by law to provide services based on what the people decide. Voting on a frequent and transparent system where people can track their own votes and check the numbers against a registered population enrollment that is voluntary.
Anyway..... it's simple, but would have moving parts and requires a lot of decentralized maintenance to insure integrity. Also highly decentralized.
But then it requires a moral population with shared values that are dedicated to maintaining freedom.
One of the best conversations I've watched in my entire life
I really like Maajid. That was a great conversation! As a Christian, I do think we all need each other no matter whether we are Jewish, Islamic, or Christian.
Or atheist
The answers is No. I’m a Christian , You say you a Christian but I can clearly see by your statement that you have not read the Quran and Hadith. The amount of pedophilia, hate against Jews and Christian is unbelievable. Islam is a violent religion if not a religion at all.
@@mogznwaz not really athiests see religion as a danger and want it gone so ofcourse it cant be together with the abrahamic religions(outliers dont matter fwi)
Indeed we do need each other but the capitalist world doesn’t want that.. divide and conquer is where money is made.
And what does Majid represent?
Certainly not Islam
Nice to see Jordan's taking notes.
Tears in my eyes .. peace upon all the ppl of the world
As an Orthodox Israeli Jew, I really enjoyed this conversation. The title had me defensive, but the content was inline with most of my personal beliefs.
Islam=Yeshua +joy of commandments
Nice to see the outspoken out talk the outspoken. Never would have imagined I would have seen this happen to Jordan.
Maajid is a giant too. I've heard him many times standing up to the goons from too many sides. Great to hear their conversation!
Thank you for producing and posting this discussion. @ 18:29 Your guest Maajid Nawaz is mistaken in the assertion, "There was no such place as Israel before 1948." One of, if not the greatest find of Finders Petrie, considered the father of modern archeology, was the Merneptah Stele, often call the Israel Stele. The Merneptah Stele, also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah, is an inscription by Merneptah, a pharaoh in ancient Egypt who reigned from 1213 to 1203 BCE. Discovered by Flinders Petrie at Thebes in 1896, it is now housed at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. It is one of four ancient stele containing reference to the region/kingdom of Yisrael dating from 1200 - 800 BCE. There are also numerous historical references to the nation state of Judea. There is indisputable biblical and extra-biblical proof that the nation state of Israel has existed on the same piece of real estate it now exists, dating back over 3000 years.
True but like the modern state of Israel didn't exist before 1948
@@S.D.323 True but the Israelites are the only people ever to possess a sovereign nation state on that parcel of land, both historically and presently. That being the case, it is disingenuous to refer to them as occupiers. Israel's lands have been occupied by others, but Israel has never occupied any other nations land.
These kinds of interviews are necessary. Thank you, thank you for taking the bull by the horns and talking about all of these ideas in a professional manner. These kinds of interviews are priceless.
~Thank you Maajid, important and powerful. Much respect for JBP for continuing great philosophical dialogue. This is what media should present for us, for us all to evolve as a whole.
Lol you and your cowardice lmao.
I’m 37 minutes in. I’ve listened and supported both in different periods of time; mainly because Maajid was in the public eye years before Jordan was. And it’s so great that in some form or way people like this (and me) have brought these ideas together. Because it’s that important to do so.
It's pretty shocking how increasingly Islamic Maajid has become, eh?
What puzzles me is how did an ugly gargoyle like majid get such a gorgeous wife, he had no right to have her.
Another great interview, but Maajid was wrong with his criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel didn't exist before 1947, As Netanyahu spoke about Israel did exist 3500 years ago which goes to what Netanyahu was saying that the Muslim don't recognize. Also with his criticism about the squatting, Netanyahu argued when you invest in the place you occupy you put down roots and are more entwined with the land. As Mark Twain wrote “The further we went the hotter the sun got, and the more rocky and bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became…There was hardly a tree or a shrub any where. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. The statement reflects his general attitude to the ancient land throughout his journey.Exactly what Netanyahu spoke about and so the Jews returned and started to rebuild and offer árabes a better way of life.And the rest of your interview was very absorbing.
Thanks a lot for this very interresting debate to both Majid and Jordan. The weight of language is underestimated in our societies to the point of causing wars, this is true.
And language operates on many different levels and understanding this and the meaning of words at a higher level is not within everyone's capacity.
Huge respect for Jordan & Maajid. My favourite people 👍🏾
There was an element of solzenhytzen in Maajid when he spoke about having to explore all the ways he had contributed to the problems he was trying to solve. Beautiful interview 🥰
Solzenhyten! Dictionary!
He (Aleksander)knew who /where a very large amount of the problem was originating from
He said it first and then stuffed it back in his shirt for the rest of the conversation. "On the Terrorism side of things". That is exactly right. Thank you for being honest.