Emerald Urethane VS Benjamin Moore Advance
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- Sherwin Williams Emerald Urethane and Benjamin Moore Advance duke it out in a five-round bout. This fight will determine which has the best durability, workability, coverage, versatility and dry time. ROUND 1 FIGHT!
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What I think is important to note too with the waterborne hybrids, is they don’t ‘peel’ like most gloss trim paints. You can actually SAND your trim and you won’t get that cheap latex gunk.
Indeed. Both of these hybrids cure up quite hard.
Great video. In my experience e as a professional painting contractor who has used both products extensively since they came out, the Advance dries to touch usually within an hour even tough the can states much longer, and if you don't need to sand between coats, you can recoat in 4-6 hours with good results, especially when using white or light colors since they typically dry quicker than darker colors. However, the 2nd coat coverage with Advance is better after an overnight dry if you need to ensure a little better coverage if you are concerned the color you are using won't cover very well (such as is the case with some ultra bright/pastels or vivid pure/clean deeper colors). Also, the advance paint takes about 2-4 weeks to fully cure, which means you especially have to be more careful with it for the first several days. We paint lots of kitchen cabinets using Advance Satin mostly at this point, but we sometimes still use the Ben Moore Satin Impervo (oil) product still which in my opinion is still the superior product of the two if it weren't for the additional odor and clean-up required which is usually something we prefer to avoid both for ourselves and the homeowner.
Thats been our experience as well. Impervo is an excellent product aside from what you mentioned. We’re starting to experiment with Command from Benny Moore, which is also showing some promise. It performs a lot more like Emerald Urethane. We’ll see how it goes once we get a bit more experience with it.
@@SuperVassarBrothers Command is being used exterior a lot in Canada, I have great hopes and expectations for this product.
Goes on metal very nicely.
@@SuperVassarBrothersplease do a video on Command.
One more point, the Advance finish quality is outstanding but Emerald may have a slight advantage if you need to match a color. In my experience, the Sherwin Williams color matching system is very accurate and they guarantee the result.
It’s hit or miss with Benjamin Moore color matching. That’s store dependent. Emerald urethane is my current go-to trim paint because of the dry time. It works in a bit better with our work flow but I still like advance for certain applications.
After using Advance several times with excellent results I bought a Purdy Nylox brush and now my results are even better. It's like they were made for each other.
That’s a good one. I like use the Corona Vegas with Advance. It’s another solid pairing 🤙
We used Advance on our cabinets. Applied using brush and foam roller. Finish was flawless we get so many compliments.
Nice work TJ. Glad it worked out for you.
May I ask what primer did you use?
What sheen of Advance did you use?
@@cleoburrows I don't know what they used, but satin finish is the most common by far for cabinets. probably 95% of cabinets are satin finish, whether factory finished or repainted.
Did they yellow over time like people say?
I use advance on my doors/trims. I love the look of it. Sprayed it on. Things I wish I knew runs like crazy and it takes a year to properly cure. But because of how nice it lays down i will still use it
It’s a great product for certain applications and the finish quality is excellent!
I love the finish product after getting the henge of it
I have used the Advance Satin on kitchen cabinets. Ben Moore’s tech service is not allowed to veer away from the 16 hour re- coat window however it re-costs perfectly around 6 hours for 2 coat application in one day. I’ve used PPG’s Speedhide WB Alkyd as it states 24 hour re-coat. I’ve applied the second coat after 6 hours with excellent results. This worked well for me. You make the call on your projects. I prefer both of these over the SW Emerald. Just my preference…
Hi Big Stu. For the Advance satin we have found 6 hours to recoat does work. The semi gloss Advance takes forever to dry. We don't do a lot of cabinets so you know more about them than us. We like the SW Urethane for baseboards, doorframes, & doors because we can lay 2 coats in a day no problem. Sometimes 4 hours is fine between coats. Thanks for reaching out.
Darker colors definitely affect dry times
You didn't do any durability in scratch tests with them. Emerald actually does poorly with that test
Just brushed and rolled with Pearl (satin) Advance on my cupboards, loved using it and the finish is lovely. Would definitely use it again.
That’s a great choice for that application 🤙
Unless you have serious airflow on these products immediately after coating.. there's no hope..! They will run and sag insanely. Advance was the runniest hybrid paint we had ever used out of all the different paint stores' versions. (Sherwin, Frazee, Dunn Edwards, Vista..)
When you get used to how to work it, it's great. But very unforgiving.
FOR DOORS & TRIM THE HARDER THE FINISH THE BETTER, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING WITH..! (So nothing sticks later)
We use both, but emerald urethane is our current go-to trim paint. Easy to get two coats on in a day. We use advance for certain specialty applications
I totally agree about dry time! Emerald is my very favorite and I live by it!
It's one of my go-to trim paints nowadays. I'm glad you're digging it too! Thanks for watching!
@@SuperVassarBrothers
Pro classic for me.
Emerald is an excellent paint.
I am a fan 🫡
Been using Emerald urethane since its debut. It's fantastic in my 20+ year professional opinion, but I can't get it with reliability anymore. SW Stores are constantly out of stock... I do high-end new construction and remodels, so I primarily spray Emerald. A lot of Emerald. (Trim/doors/cabinets/furniture) I only brush/roll trim on the quickie/low end jobs... But I'm gonna give the Advance a try since it's similar and in stock in my area (Pacific Northwest)
Thanks for the detailed review👍🏻
Sure thing. Emerald is still spotty with their stock. We like the Advance in Satin. The semi gloss is a bit too shiny for my taste. Hope it works for you!
Wondering if you've used Advance a fair bit now and what you think of it? I've only used Advance and love it.
Best comparison I’ve seen yet. You helped me make up my mind.
I'm glad it was helpful!
Happy painting!!
Thank your for this video as I was trying to figure out which one to use. I eventually went with Advance which I am overly happy with.
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you like Advance. Great product :)
Thank you 🙏🏻Many professional painters on social media recommend Emerald and sounds like well worth the extra money
It’s still my current go-to trim paint 🤙
I always use advance for kitchen cabinets. However today i was given SW colors from owner and i bought emerald urethane. I sprayed it on it was a navy blue and i was spraying and noticed it doesnt cover the edges on the doors as well. You can see the old color on all the sharp edges of the door. I couldnt spray more until it dried to avoid runs so it caused me one coat and "a half" to cover fully whereas advance ive never had that problem w one coat
Hi Moses. We agree that Advance covers better than emerald Urethane. We don't spray much, and do two coats on most everything. Which is why we like using the Emerald in most situations. Sounds like Advance is the better choice for you now. We are using the Advance Satin on a job right now and its turning out great.
Advance satin seem to have a higher sheen and harder feel than emerald semi gloss
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my brother it was not the paint that didn’t cover the edge …… i’m with you though advanced is the only way to go on a high end job .
Sorry but the only thing that matters in the end is how it looks. That is what the customer wants. Focusing on dry time, etc., is putting profitability over project quality. Manage your job around dry-time, not selecting products based on how fast the job can be completed. And while the paint is called "interior/exterior" I find that to be more marketing than performance focused. And most all brands utilize this strategy to some extent.
Mmmkay, well I still like emerald urethane better for the majority of applications. In my experience it looks great if it’s applied properly. Advance has its place as well, but it’s not my go-to trim paint.
@@SuperVassarBrothers From a paint contractor perspective, factors such as recoat times, ease of application, price, etc., are important as painters are looking at a very short timeline and usually what is best for their bottom line and convenience. From a client perspective they will be looking at the finished work for the next 10+ years from an appearance and performance perspective. So, while the Emerald will go on easier, dry faster, is cheaper, etc., it won't level or take on an enamel-like finish that the Advance will, which is what should be the most important factor if the best finished appearance is what is trying to be achieved. I've looked at both Advance and Emerald after cure times and the Advance has that hard enamel look while the Emerald definitely has that acrylic finish appearance. I can build into the cost of the project the extra time & couple bucks it takes to work with Advance, but I can't build into the cost the leveling and "enamel" quality that Emerald lacks to achieve the same level of finished appearance. Especially for older homes, Advance makes all the difference in the world.
@@joewiggington7582does Advance yellow over time?
Advance is my new go to. Amazing finish. Paint horizontally whenever possible, optimizing the levelers. Ben Moore Stix Primer produces the best results ever. Advance + Stix = dynamic duo. If you have the time, Advance is my go to for its long-term durability & appearance.
It’s a great option. I’ve been liking it more and more. You’re right about the horizontal part as well. It’ll level out nicely if you give it a chance. 🫡
My opinion is that Emerald Urethane is way ahead in versatility and I like that it is more workable directly out of can for brushing doors and trim and doesn’t produce drips. Then, if you want to do cabinets with it, you can add the conditioner for extended open time and better leveling. For people that shy away from the price, I will say that most 3 bedroom homes the trim and doors can be done with one gallon with leftover for touch up, so because of its durability it’s definitely worth the price, and is actually a value, verses using a cheap paint that collects dirt and oil immediately. Urethane will harden enough to never collect oil and dirt.
Agreed! It's definitely worth the price 🤙
Can you explain what conditioner is/ does ☺️☺️
DIYer here. Painted some in-place melamine cabinet boxes yesterday with a coat of SW primer and then SW Emerald. The result was as close to a factory finish as I’ve ever been able to achieve. One additional factor is the roller that the SW store employee suggested - mohair. That’s what I’ll be using from now on. Two coats of finish paint is still needed, but this was also as close I’ve come to stopping after one coat. We painted the cabinets in our old house using Behr Marquee - there’s no comparison. SW is light years ahead. I haven’t tried BM Advance, so I can’t speak to that product.
Great to hear Mike. Both products from SW and Benny Moore are great. We used Behr recently (clients bought paint) and we were not impressed. Seemed to be thick and not spread well. Glad you liked the Mohair roller as well. Appreciate the comment.
Although I do like SW products IMO Advance is far superior to Emerald.
I'm glad I saw your post, I have been wondering if I should use the Behr Marquee paint on my cabinets because I used it on a bedroom that had crayon and dirty handprints all over and it covered like a boss in one coat.
really should have used bin primer on melamine.
As professional painter of 25 years, Personally I rarely uses these types of products. While they do cover well and are very durable, They just are too much of a hassle to use IMO. They like to run, dry really slow, and if the surface isn't in perfect shape it will show basically everything. It doesn't have a lot of build to help hide scratches and blemishes. Id rather prime with an oil base primer, then paint with a high quality acrylic. I find the primer actually sticks BETTER than these and gives a really nice finish due to the high build of the primer and ease of sanding if needed.
Just my opinion but it took me many years to figure it out.
Yezzir. That's definitely one way to do it. I find Emerald Urethane to be pretty easy to work with. That's pretty much our go-to trim paint nowadays. We only use Advance for specialty applications. We still do a fair amount of oil priming, particularly on conversions. The hybrids have their limits for adhesion.
I've used both of these products for years, and they are equal in my book. I currently prefer the Advance because I can get it considerably cheaper.
They are both solid. We still prefer the Emerald Urethane because we can do 2 coats in a day easily. But Advance has an extremely nice finish.
Are these paints keeping white bright color equally or tend to be a little beige or yellow over the time? Thank you!
I'm glad I skipped through this never ending 18 minute video! No photo or video of anything being painted. What a great idea.
Time well spent
Great video my man. Exactly what I was looking for. Keep up the great work.
Thanks BYOT. Happy to help!
Just give me some good ole nitrocellulose lacquer
haha. I had to look up nitrocellulose lacquer to act like I knew what you were talking about. I looked it up, and I approve of your comment :)
Another pro cabinet painter said they are tied except for the finish of Emerald satin is more like flat paint and it is rough. Advance was smooth which is desirable on cabinets. Did anyone else find this to be true.
I know crews that use both on cabinets. Usually if they’re using the Emerald urethane they’re using the semi-gloss.
I bought some pre-painted baseboards on clearance for stupid cheap. I was hoping I could just scuff and paint with Emerald Urethane since it stuck to all the oil based paint and varnish already in our house. Nope. Still had to prime with shellac primer to get the Emerald to stick.
It’s hit or miss with converting trim with either hybrid. Recently we’ve been using Fresh Start to prime and we’ve had a lot of success. It’s quite a bit more pleasant to work with than BIN and gets a good bond most of the time. Fresh Start: The Best Primer You've Never Heard Of
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@@SuperVassarBrothers thanks! I’ll check it out.
Thanks for the info. Appreciate expertise as I’m contemplating painting our kitchen cabinets.
Good luck Maleko. I hope they turn out great!
It'd be really helpful to see the actual finished products
Here’s a video where I use Emerald Urethane: The Fastest Way to Paint a Door with a Brush
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And here’s one where I used Advance: The Secrets to Painting Your Handrails FAST
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Emerald Urethane on all my cabinets, trim , etc.
Sweet. It's one of our go-to trim paints
Will be using Advance on old managers style roll top desk. Great videos, Thanks!!
Thanks for watching! Good luck with your project!
Great video! Have you ever pushed the advance dry time? I’m also a pro painter and we have 2 coated advance in the same day because I hate waiting as well. I haven’t had any issues with the way it turns out appearance wise. However, I wonder if that would have any effect on its durability. Any thoughts?
We have pushed it along and gotten two coats on in a day. It's easier to do with the satin finish than the semi-gloss. The only thing we run into is patrolling for runs / drips. If we put it on too thick then sometimes it will sag and that's a bit of a pain to fix between coats. I don't think it would have a big effect on durability as long as it had enough time to fully cure after the last coat.
One thing, I've noticed with the Emerald is that it does not like the heat!! I did a set of cabinets in a garage 100° days, garage door open. Dried too quickly. I was not spraying these. Used foam roller and brush. I had to move ore like an oil. Put it on then don't touch it anywhere!!! Did a lot of sanding the next day to make it look right. Paint it in cooler Temps. In ac, 70° s
Yeah, I think you'd have that experience with most paints. 100 degrees would be pretty spicy even for exterior paints. Hopefully it turned out well!
Don't paint in the direct sunlight
They are not the same. You need to compare Ben Moore Cabinet Coat to emerald urethane. Emerald is a urethane acrylic and advance is a alkyd resin that cleans up with water. Compare apples to apples. There are several brands of urethane acrylics that are a lot better than emerald. Brands such as Richard’s Farrell Calhoun Kelly Moore just to name a few . Sherwin is a great marking company and an average paint manufacturer.
Meh, I could compare those products. The reason for this video is that (at the time of the filming) these were the two top hybrid products. Amongst the crews I’m friends with these two products get used quite a bit on similar projects. Both get used on trim and cabinets which is why I compared them.
This was so helpful! Thank you!!
Happy to help Drase.
Thanks for taking the time to make the video.
Once cured, do you think advanced or emerald has a harder / more durable finish?
Thanks George. Advance dries harder and is more durable once cured.
My cabinets were painted beautifully by the previous owner, but they didn’t prime well. The paint is peeling where there is heat (on uppers by stove /coffee maker.) I’m going to use Advance, but what primer do I need. The places it peeled are bare wood. I know I need to sand down first.
I like using Premium Wall and Wood primer from Sherwin Williams for raw wood. I’m sure there’s an equivalent from Benjamin Moore, I’m just not sure what it is off of the top of my head. Advance bonds quite well to most surfaces so you should be in good shape if you scuff sand the cabinets and make sure there’s no loose paint on it.
Good luck with your project!
@@SuperVassarBrothers thank you so much!!
I just used this on exterior of a door and SO DISAPPOINTED! I sprayed with HVLP unthinned then cure two days before install, installed and got some hand smudges tried to wipe with a paper towel soaked with water left a mark where it was wiped, ever so slightly ran finger over paint and left a scratch. I used this over Advance because of the 16hr dry time but after experiencing the poor performance of this paint going back to Advance.
I'd recommend going with Moorglo Soft-Gloss for an exterior door. That's our go-to product for exterior trim and doors. As far as I know, Advance is not an exterior product.
I’ve done two coats on advance quickly and it dries quick too. Within an hour it’s completely dry. I don’t understand why they say 16 hours.
It really depends on the drying conditions. It can take a while to dry particularly if there’s a decent amount of humidity.
Per the great Thomas Sowell, there are no solutions: only trade-offs, and your comparison covers those trade-offs well.
I think that’s the first time I’ve seen a Thomas Sowell quote associated with anything I’ve done. Thanks for the kind words and I hope the review helped!
You reccomend the semigloss or satin in advance for trim in a more of todays homes. I domt have a old farm home. Was built in 2015
Advance is a common trim paint used in modern homes as well. I still prefer the Emerald Urethane, but that's just me.
Advanced is the worst paint for workability that I have ever used. Takes me 3 times longer to paint with, compared with Emerald. Emerald is the best in this category, and since time is money, and I don’t spray, I will not use Advance.
Hi Jesse. We like Emerald a lot. We have found the Advance satin is a bit better than the Advance semi as far as dry time and less runs. Still we choose Emerald in most cases as its much easier to work with. We sometimes have clients who only use Benny Moore.
@@SuperVassarBrothers If one of my customers wants something from Ben Moore for doors and trim, I always recommend Coronado Superkote in the Satin finish. It doesn't cover as well with a brush, but the finish and durability is excellent for the price.
Advance requires a bit of experience to use properly.
At the end of the day the only thing that matters is how consistently even the sheen is and the durability. Advance dominates both of these categories. Biggest drawback is the dry time. At any rate neither of these products are kcma certified.
From what I understand the KCMA certification is for cabinets makers. That’s not who’s using these products. Emerald Urethane and Advance get used a fair amount by cabinet refinishers and DIYers.
What about finish? I’ve read online that emerald has a rougher finish?
Both of these products are capable of having a good finish. A lot of the finish quality has to do with the application of the product. Emerald Urethane is one of our go-to trim paints and we get great results and finish quality every time with it. Advance also has a great finish to it, if it's applied properly. It's just a bit more tricky to use cause of the open time.
Really light coats for advanced but both paints are insane
Glad you like them Oneway
help, i recently just painted areas of my house, a couple of bedrooms but mostly the trim, baseboard and doors which is my main concern. i had a professional painter but i bought the paint and used the ben moore line. the trim and doors have been an absolute nightmare. horrible brush strokes, altered finish sheens, excessive drag, not a smooth finish at all. everything was sanded and primed and had to use 2-3 coats just to at least cover the previous white color. i have spent triple on the amount of paint, and double for the labor and im still not happy with the results. i was told to either try regal or aura. which is fine even though its more expensive, i just care that it works and i get the results i want. the ben line is not a cheap paint either, so im quite shocked on how badly it turned out and hesitant on what i try next. now i hear about this advanced line which sounds what im looking for in the finish but the drying time and technique sound difficult and very time consuming especially for repainting over the ben line i used. the believe the painter should of advised me before using all the paint and doing all the labor. its now only been suggested its the paint and was suggested that i use the regal or aura line from bm but im afraid of getting the same result. im using bm because its same bm color throughout the house. any recommendations or advice you have to help with this paint dilemma would be very appreciated. ive never had this bad of an experience with interior painting and such issues with paint.
Check out your other comment for my response. Good luck!!
Awesome Review!
I’m glad you found it useful!
Glad I found your channel, some great information! Subscribed. Between this and your review video on Advance, I'm most likely going with that product. As a DIY homeowner who has done a bunch of painting including automotive, the workability doesn't worry me too much and dry time is not an issue. Working two applications- trim (including windows, one a bay) and a bathroom linen cabinet.
Two questions:
- For brushing, do you have a favorite you'd recommend to use.
- Can you comment on odor of both these products? Do you get more complaints of one over the other from homeowners? (wife is asking..)
Keep up the great videos! Thanks, man! 👍
Thanks Metman3. Our favorite brush is the Corona Cortez 2.5 inch sash (angled) brush. Sold at most Benny Moore stores and also on Amazon. We love em! For smell, they are about the same. Give it 24 hours after drying and the smell should be gone. Some fans will do you well. Good luck!
So if you were going to paint a 36 x 36 RV table top after you peeled off the cheap countertop, paper and sand, the wood which paint would you use?
I would use the same combo I used for wooden handrails in this video: The Secrets to Transforming Your Handrails FAST
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Fresh start primer paired with Advance from Benjamin Moore
Very informative. Is the cure time really 30 days for the Emerald? I am using to paint a dresser. Thanks.
So cure time is different than dry time. Emerald Urethane dries to the touch within 2 hours. So you can apply multiple coats in a day if needed. The product (and most paint products) take several weeks to cure all the way through. That just means that the product has dried all the way through and is as hard and durable as it's going to be. A good indication of a paint that has cured all the way through is that you can't smell it anymore. Dunno if that helps you out, but there you go. Good luck with your dresser!
For 2023 use Command from Ben Moore. Great product snd dries fast.
It's on the list of products to try. I shall give it a look!
I just built some shelving that has some unpainted MDF and primed shiplap, would I need to prime before using either of these products? Thanks for the info.
Hi there. I would prime the unpainted MDF. After that you are good to go on either product. Happy painting!
Great video! Which of these paints are less loosing bright white color over the time? Could not find pictures with confirmation over the entire internet. Please advise who are knowledgeable. Thank you!
I haven’t seen either paint have a big issue with fading.
BM Advance all day !!! But altra deep base is hard to get some time I have a lot of clients that want dark colors
We like the Advance satin a lot. Thanks for the feedback Tim.
So helpful. Thanks!
I'm glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching! 😁
Very helpful indeed!
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Just use BM Command paint it sprays great and dries quick
That’s a cool product for a variety of applications. It sticks to just about everything. We’ve used it a couple times on a few projects. Spraying would be a good move because it does setup quickly 🤙
Have you used Scuff-X on trim or doors? I’m wondering how it compares with Advance in terms of showing brush strokes?
I have used Scuff-X on trim and doors. It's quite a different product than Advance. The dry time with Scuff-X is much shorter (2 hours-ish). It's easier to work with, but I would say that it shows more brush strokes than Advance. That's also affected by how well you lay it down. Advance has a long open time so the leveling agents have quite a while to use their magic.
@@SuperVassarBrothers thanks, terrific answer!!
what prime rwould you recommend for either of those? painting kitchen cabinets and cant decide.
A lot of guys like using BIN shellac on cabinets. It’s fairly aggressive to work with, but it’s pretty much bomb proof as a base coat. The other option is to use something like fresh start from Benjamin Moore which is 100% acrylic. It’s easier to work with, but you gotta make sure it gets a good bond to the cabinet surface.
Does Emerald Urethane brush well and level out? Both on horizontal and vertical surfaces?
It does quite well at both of those things. It’s currently our go-to trim paint. I will say that Advance levels out better but it’s more difficult to work with and drys slowly.
nice review brother . I honestly think renner is the ……. i’m just kidding not gonna be that guy . I will say to anyone up in the air about it still that if you want an amazing , smooth smooth , hard finish than advanced is the way to go. it will give you the more factory looking finish, but it’s all in the name . it is a product that if your not a pro or have much experience you might be in for a headache cause if you catch your run and wait just a little to long the finish looks like crap . and its going to run if your a diy person . i’d go as far as to bet the farm on it .
with that being said emerald ( which is also my go to ) for a few reasons that don’t involve the paint quality . for me it’s easier to get and any job i do their is a sherwin williams 10 min max away .. emerald does cure out and dry very hard itsself and actually cures out harder than i thought it did . when working for homeowners i typically don’t see the finish weeks after it has dried . after spraying my brothers cabinets i seen them weekly and noticed after about 3 weeks they had become very very hard .
lastly i will add that my work vans hood looked terrible . paint was chipping like crazy i applied emerald urethane enamel to the hood with not a single second of prep work . didn’t sand not even dust, but my reason was i wanted to test how well it would perform . it’s been roughly 8 months and i’m in texas where it’s very very hot and it has not even showed a sign of degrading. it honestly looks factory finished no
One could even tell I painted it and it’s crazy how well it’s held up. it’s definitely a durable paint .
Hahaha, nice. I have similar feelings about Advance and Emerald. I'm glad it holding up well on your van!!
How are either of these 2 products to resand and repaint in the future?
Both would be fine to sand and do another coat of the same product in the future.
Great video, does the BM need to be thinned for spraying?
Not to my knowledge, but that could also be affected by the type of sprayer you are using.
I'm over in the corner autisicly screeching "scuffX"
HAHAHA! I'm talking about that one in the next video. I know a few guys that have switched over to it and really like it 🤙
At over $100 a gallon Sherwin Williams can keep their paint!
It’s worth it when you can get it on sale. I don’t pay anywhere close to $100
Great review - thankyou! When it comes to usability I find a lot has to do with the finish that you expect. In complex older woodwork (but even modern 6 panel doors) it is hard to get a brushmark-free finish with BM or SW latex paints even with retarder. In that sense I find that these urethanes are "easier" - you need to be careful with the application but no more than traditional alkyd enamels. Do you have any opinion on the sheen - I have noticed that Emerald Urethane satin is suprisingly rough when you rub it. Is that common? Do you have a suggested primer for the satin finish - maybe a shellac primer you sand (that would be for trim, not cabinet doors).
Appreciate the feedback. You are spot on with your assessments. For Emerald Urethane we like the semi gloss and not the satin for trim. For Advance we like the satin and not the semi gloss. If you want a high end primer we like the wall and wood primer from Sherwin Williams or the Multi Purpose latex (also known as pre rite). Happy painting!
Yep gotta bump up to semi.
Thank you I agree!
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I am about to use the ADVANCE on my kitchen cabinets. Whats the best way to apply it? Should I use my spayer? Roller? or a brush?
Hi Vanessa. It depends on your current skill level and what you feel comfortable with. Advance is a great product for cabinets so thats a great start. It's tough to give advice without seeing the project. To be safe whichever method you use, do a test run on a backside of a cabinet door, or an out of the way area. If you like it proceed, if not you can try another method. Good luck with those cabinets!
Do you think I could use Advance on my kitchen cupboards without primer if the color will be very close to what it is now?
Most likely. You may want to do a test first to see how it performs.
Could one of these be used to paint metal outdoor furniture? If not do you have a recommendation? Thanks.
You’d be better served using a DTM (Direct to Metal) paint. Both Sherwin Williams and Benjamin Moore make that product. Just ask for it at the paint store and tell them what you’re painting. They’ll be able to steer you in the right direction 👍
Great editing!
Thanks!
Which would you recommend for a kitchen table that gets lots of use? Advance or Emerald Urethane?
It's quite common to use either. If you have the time to let it cure properly I'd probably go with Advance in Satin or Semi-Gloss. Good luck with your project!
@@SuperVassarBrothers Thanks for your response. I think I'll try the Advance as it will have longer to level out.
DIY here. Looking for some advise. I would like to color my cabinets white or grey, think of using BM advance. Should I do 1 or 2 coats. Also if I need to use a primer first? Thanks in advance.
Advance is a great option. For sure you’re looking to do 2 coats. Most of the time I’d recommend priming with something like BIN shellac for cabinets. That’s a common primer / finish paint combo. Here’s a video on how to use BIN if you’re interested th-cam.com/video/MXzq60W6Gts/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a3oVyYkwS5abJkXE
@@SuperVassarBrothers Hi, Thank you for the reply. Wondering if BIN can be sprayed with HVLP sprayer? Thanks again
I have an issue with a (fully dried and cured) hybrid cabinet paint (Valspar) having white chalk-like streaks when being touched. How does the Advance fare with darker paints like black?
Advance looks pretty awesome in black semi-gloss. I just used it last week for some handrails that we did. As long as you give it a chance to cure, then it holds up really well.
A good review fine sir!
I'm glad you found it helpful 🫡
Thanks for this. Is Behr Alkyd Enamel not even a contender? Not even in the same weight class?
Hi. I've never used Behr Alkyd Enamel. So I have no idea. Maybe its awesome, maybe it's terrible, my guess would be somewhere in between. Sounds like a good one to review in the future. Have a good one!
@@SuperVassarBrothers Thanks, maybe I'll test it out.
I used Behr Alkyd Satin enamel on my kitchen, laundry room and bathroom cabinets and I rolled and brushed them. That was 4 years ago and I really love the way they turned out. But, with that said, I did paint one bathroom cabinet with Emerald paint and now looking back I would use that paint instead if the Behr. Behr was much more affordable at the time for me, but I only used a little over 1 gallon for my large kitchen. Emerald paint would have been better for self leveling and pretty much gets rids of the brush strokes. I’ll be painting another kitchen soon and your video is very helpful. Thank you.
Jeremy, what about EU with a dark color like Tricorn Black - you have any insight or tips? Thanks!
I don't think I've every used Emerald Urethane in the deep base. As far as tips go, I'd recommend using a P-5 Gray primer before you start your top coats with Tricorn Black.
Gracias, learned a lot, GodBless
I'm glad it was useful. Thanks for watching!
Emerald is currently 115.00 per gallon - Professional account discount makes is 89.00/gal! There is no comparison to a paint that costs 65.00 per gallon anywhere without any discount. Emerald is JUNK GARBAGE, unless you just like throwing away 89.00 every three gallons of paint you buy! That adds up to a LOT of money in your pocket over a year. P.S. our local BM supplier is selling Advance in semi/or satin for 29.99/gal.
Most folks using emerald aren't paying that for Emerald Urethane. I get it for around $54 a gallon, which I think is worth it. I'm skeptical that any Benjamin Moore retailer is selling advance for $30 a gallon, but if they are then you should stock. That's a decent product if you know how to lay it down.
What is your favorite product for kitchen cabinets?
Hi Christina. We don't paint a lot of kitchen cabinets. If I were going to tho, I would choose Ben Moore Advance. If you want them shiny go with semi gloss, less shiny go with satin. Hope this helps!
Can you really put either of these over oil
In many cases you can go straight over oil. You still need to prep the trim by sanding and wiping it down. Sometimes you may still have adhesion issues in which case you’ve gotta use an oil or shellac primer first.
When talking about self-leveling alone, does Sherwin Williams do as well as Advance? Great video!
Hi Daniel. They both self level and Advance has the slight edge in my opinion. The Emerald Urethane drips less tho.
@@SuperVassarBrothers thanks! Do you tape the walls when painting trim, or manage it all with the brush? Best tape to use in your opinion?
three dry times: dry to touch time. recoat time. and.......
Its confusing, the manufacturers are playing mind games with us. :)
Have you done any vista paint poly/pro tec reviews?
I have not. I've never worked with that product, but I've heard good things!
I don’t agree that Advance lays out very well. No experience with Emerald.
Mmmkay, I suppose you could have a bad experience. If you apply it well then it levels out really nicely but it is a bit tricky to work with.
Im still undecided what to use for my kitchen cabinets. raw wood.
From the Cabinets guys I've spoken to and watched online my suggestion (take with a grain of salt please);
1. Prime the raw wood with a good primer from Benny Moore or Sherwin Williams. Sherwin Williams Premium wall and wood primer is the best one we've used.
2. I think you'll get the best finish from Benny Moore Advance either satin or semi gloss. The semi gloss is really shiny and does run a bit more than the satin. If you can spray, that would give you the best finish, but this paint is great at leveling out so if you brush or roll, it would look better than the Urethane from Sherwin Williams.
3. Do two coats of finish and give each coat a day to dry. Also if you are concerned with how it will look do a test door or something that is out of the way to make sure you like it. Don't want to mess up your hard work.
Good luck!
Does Ovation Plus work for kitchen cabinets?
I have zero experience with that product, but it is a lower tier quality of paint. The two best cabinet paints that I’m aware of are Advance from Benjamin Moors and Emerald Urethane Trim Enamel from Sherwin Williams. Its worth the money to get a higher end product, especially for cabinets (in my opinion).
You didn’t show us. You have a demo?
I'm assuming you mean a demo of these products. You can check out the reviews I did of each product if you wanna see us using these paints:
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Thanks for this comparison, dry time is crazy long on Advance.
Especially for the semi-gloss. The satin finish isn't quite as crazy.
Neither is for professional cabinet refinishing. They are nothing more than modern trim paint
I suppose it depends what you mean by professional. There are definitely other products that folks use for varying levels of refinishing. There are a lot of painters using these products on cabinets and getting paid for it. They're also pretty solid products for the DIY crowd.
Wonder how the spray with the runs with advance paint. Have to go with vary light coats ?
I don't have a lot of experience spraying Advance, but I know dudes that do spray it and it's not too bad. Spraying is it's own deal. There's a lot of technique involved in getting things to turn out well. It's not necessarily about doing light coats. It's more about spraying an even layer for each coat. Any paint will run if you apply too much in the wrong way.
Hello.
Just wondered if the brush stokes show on the emerald trim paint?
Both of these paints level out well. If you brush on the product then there will always be brush strokes. You can mitigate that look by using a quality brush like a Corona Vegas and applying the product properly.
@SuperVassarBrothers which Corona Vegas? Latex or oil?
What’s the best primer for the emerald?
It really depends on the surface you’re priming. Fresh start is a good primer for a variety of applications. Here’s a review I did of that product Fresh Start: The Best Primer You've Never Heard Of
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@@SuperVassarBrothers it’s on cabinets I sand if the previous paint as much as I could and now I’m going to repaint. After I want to use the emerald
What would you use on kitchen cabinet that are rolled on?
We like Advance. The satin sheen in advance is great. The semi gloss in Advance is really shiny. Depends on how glossy you would like to go. Good luck!
My job is painting only the boxes of my cabinets with brush and roller since we are getting new drawers and doors. So what do you recommend re prep? I am considering either the Emerald or Advance...Both had primers made for use with them but cannot get either primer at this point due to stock shortage. Have the tine to use the Advance so I am leaning toward that product after your FIGHT video. Should the boxes be cleaned and then sanded? What about priming and the proper one to use? Do I need a high adhesion primer? I have read that the hybrid paint was created to adhere to slick surfaces and that priming or even sanding interferes with adhesion? I was originally thinking of using Krud Kutter and then lightly sanding with 120 paper? Your guidance is appreciated...
Hi Cathy. I'll do my best to help. If you don't mind waiting a day between coats go with Advance. It levels out great, just watch for drips as they are easy to touch up if you get them in the first 30 mins. Krud cutter or simple green are great for cleaning and 120 grit sandpaper should be fine. After sanding wipe down with a slightly damp rag to get the dust off. The Advance will stick to about anything. Good luck!
@@SuperVassarBrothers Are you stating that you only need to degrease/clean and there s and with no need to apply primer?
I meant degrease/clean and sand and no need to apply primer
@@SuperVassarBrothers do you recommend sanding between coats of Advance?
Hi, would you recommend a top coat to seal and protect when used on the cabinets of a busy kitchen? Thanks!
If you are referring to a topcoat of clear polyurethane, I would not recommend it because it can yellow the cabinets and have runs. We've only applied the poly a few times to painted cabinets and we didn't like the results. Maybe other guys had more success with it. We didn't :) These paints hold up well to abuse.
@@SuperVassarBrothers Thank you I will definitely take that into consideration,
Emerald ureth vs gallery?
I don’t have any experience with gallery so I can’t comment either way
If i used either product on painting my doors with glass panels, after product dries and hardens would I be able to scrape off whatever got on the glass panels with a blade or would i have to mask off everything? Also, wouldn't it just be easier to use Scuff X for both doors and trim and still achieve the same durability if not better and in a shorter amount of time? Let me know your thoughts im having a hard time with which one to go with and you recommended Scuff X to me a couple weeks ago and after doing some research alot of guys love it and it seems like it would be a better go to.
Either product can be scraped from windows after it dries.
A lot of guys like ScuffX for trim and doors. ScuffX would definitely be easier to work with than Advance. Advance is a much different product and it has its advantages for certain applications.
We still use Emerald Urethane for the majority of our trim and door work and it’s relatively easy to work with. That being said, I know plenty of good painters that use ScuffX for trim and doors and they get great results. Give it a go and see what you think 🫡
@SuperVassarBrothers Sounds good thank you for your input. Ok I will give it a try 👍
How about how they look & hold up over time?
Both of these products hold up well over time. Their durability is a big reason folks prefer them for kitchen cabinets.
Emerald is terrible at durability go back 1 year in a busy kitchen you'll see, way better products. You will regret it over time
Has anyone had a problem with advance yellowing esp with white color?
Yes, that is an issue. Advance does better with tinted colors because it will amber over time. I think they're trying to address that in newer formulations, but who knows. I go with Emerald Urethane for the brighter whites.
@@SuperVassarBrothers this is the answer that I needed to hear. I'm going with white, so that definitively leaves the Emerald as the one and only choice. Thanks