The truth is cessationism is heresy a doctrine of demons repent and be filled with The Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues find a Pentecostal Bible believing church turn away from cessationism now cessationists are blaspheming the Holy Ghost
meh, thats not totally true Biblically, Balhe,m Johan and the guy that told Paul is was going to be arrested where didn't see their prophecy come true 100% Yet they were considered genuine You'd have to make the argument God only speaks through irritant people, but nobody is irritant.
I bet there is a correlation between those who are giving 'modern day prophecy' & those who don't want Theonomic practices like 'killing those with false prophecy'😅
The trinity of cessationist thinking is Father, Son, and Holy Bible. We need the Spirit today just as much as the first Church. God's Word points to a reality beyond itself. Jesus is enough. If He is not the prize, you're aiming at the wrong target.
Come one come all to watch some men in ill fitting suits twist and contort the Scriptures! We promise to chop down the Spirit of God to fit our Procrustean bed. We promise to tell you about all the things God is NOT doing. He is there and He is silent! Sola Scriptura except for the parts about earnestly desiring the gifts of the Spirit! Don’t worry, no women will be talking at all! Guaranteed to not pray for your healing and not pray for your prosperity! Only $300!
I think you all are basing your hermeneutic on your experience on this topic but I am nonetheless excited to come and learn from people who know more than I do :)
@@PaulWayneJohnson-ie4cuSo you are saying Im heretic? That Im outside of salvation? Same as, I dont know, almost every real christian from 100-1900? Look, Im not denying him. I believe in Holy Spirit, He is God and He dwells in each believer. We are talking about his work in believers. But you on the otherhand, you are technickly denying Holy Spirit, by giving him praise for things He is not author of. And you are just bending Scriputre so it will fit into your experiences. Your beliefs are based on your experiences or of others and by that you interpret the texts. Take for example the 1st Pentecostal people in 1901. Do you know that they believe that the gift of tongues were really accualy languages? And they thought they were speaking Chinese. Yet after failed missions, where they reliazed they were speaking gibberish (as you do I guess) they come up with different interpretation. They based the Bible on personal feelings and experiences. When you know the origins of these kind of mvmts you can clearly see through it. And btw Im not saiyng that you are heretic, because this is not the realm of salvation.
Ummm so the Muslims in the middle east who receive dreams of Jesus and come to the faith because of that are just delusional. They are not real Christians. If you want to see miracles happen commonly maybe step out of your bubble and you will see all he he is doing across the earth. Only western Christians believe this crap of the supernatural not being active like before and our unbelief is what keeps us from experiencing it. The proof is there, but you got to bury your unbiblical and man made theology and from human conclusions and not the word of God.
Cessationism is heresy a doctrine of demons repent and be filled with The Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues find a Pentecostal Bible believing church turn away from cessationism now cessationists are blaspheming the Holy Ghost
Just because there are counterfeits, doesn't mean there isn't the genuine. The gifts of the Holy Spirit never ceased. We need them as much today as the Church did then. Acts 2: 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 1 Corinthians 13: 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. "That which is perfect" has not come yet. The verse is speaking of Christ, not some cannon of Scripture as cessationists claim by reading into Scripture what they want it to say. When that which is perfect is come, is when we shall See Jesus face to face. That hasn't happened yet. 1Thessalonians 5:20-21 20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Notice that although the Christians were speaking, each one heard them in their own language; it was the gift of tongues operating; they weren't speaking a bunch of different languages, but each heard what was said in their own language. The Holy Spirit will not speak words through someone that contradict Scripture. The Holy Spirit will not perform works that contradict Scripture. When you see that, you know that it is not from God. We have to use discernment by being grounded in Scripture to know the genuine from the false. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater out of fear, and don't be satisfied with stopping short of all that God has for you. “For a generation certain evangelical teachers have told us that the gifts of the Spirit ceased at the death of the apostles or at the completion of the New Testament. This, of course, is a doctrine without a syllable of Biblical authority back of it. The result of this erroneous teaching is that spiritually gifted persons are ominously few among us. This frightening hour calls aloud for men with the gift of prophetic insight. Instead we have men who conduct surveys, polls and panel discussions. We need men with the gift of knowledge. In their place we have men with scholarship-nothing more. Thus, we may be preparing ourselves for the tragic hour when God may set us aside as so-called evangelicals and raise up another movement to keep New Testament Christianity alive in the earth. The truth of the matter is that the Scriptures plainly imply the imperative of possessing the gifts of the Spirit. But I must also add a word of caution. The various spiritual gifts are not equally valuable, as Paul so carefully explains. Certain brethren have magnified one gift out of seventeen out of all proportion. Among these brethren there have been and are many godly souls, but the general moral results of this teaching have nevertheless not been good. In practice it has resulted in much shameless exhibitionism, a tendency to depend upon experiences instead of upon Christ and often a lack of ability to distinguish the works of the flesh from the operations of the Spirit. Those who deny that the gifts are for us today and those who insist upon making a hobby of one gift are both wrong, and we are all suffering the consequences of their error.” -A.W. Tozer
I agree. There are way more false Preachers that false prophets and yet we would not discount the gift of preaching because there more false preachers that false prophets
@danrenton1749 plenty of counterfeits called out here. You should be glad that people are being pointed away from false teaching or NRA and WoF and pentecostal etc.
To believe in cessationalism is to deny the power of God. you are essentially saying that he has changed; was he only powerful in Biblical times?????? He's the same God yesterday, today and will be forevermore. He's still working miracles.
I'm a continuationist as well however, because God acts in different ways during different periods of time doesn't at all mean he changes. This is demonstrable in the old covenant/new covenant etc
I look at this this way; it's not about God changing, but rather, using people in different ways to "build" his church under different circumstances in different eras. In the first century God used the apostles appointed by Jesus to establish a strong foundation for the Church with Jesus as the Cornerstone (i.e. no New Testament scripture at that time). The apostles of that time were empowered with ability to execute miracles etc. to validate their apostleship along with preaching the true gospel of salvation. They were also equipped by the Holy Spirit to bring the Holy written Word of God for the continuation of building the Church since the original Apostles would eventually pass away and the canonized New Testament would be available to all true Christians for personal growth in Jesus Christ. This does not remove power from God. God performs miracles even now, but when He chooses to and how he chooses to. We are not called to "command" God or the Holy Spirit ("Word of Faith") to do whatever we think He should do or "Declare or Decree" because we think we know his will (Isaiah 55:8-9 The Lord says, “My thoughts are not like your thoughts. Your ways are not like my ways. Just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.)
The heresy of cessationism is diabolical. That they will charge people hundreds of dollars to tell them that God doesn’t work wonders anymore is baffling to say the least.
Not a single person speaking at this conference believes God can't and doesn't work wonders anymore. What cessationists believe is that no modern person has certain gifts bestowed upon them to work wonders as they will. There's a lot more to it, maybe you should come.
@@RogueOrracle Stick to the bible and don't waste your hard earned money on people who downplay the supernatural when that is what the Bible is all about. Seek the gifts of Holy SPirit as the scriptures instruct us to and stop listening to men who want to erase many parts of scripture because it doesn't fit their experience. You have not because you ask not the scripture says. Cessationism, especially hardline cessationism which these men espouse is a heresy and totally opposed to the scriptures.
The two should be combined. God’s word is enough but also understand that He is the same God yesterday today and forever. We sin when we render supernatural experiences from the Lord as lies or “Charismatic.” The gifts of the Holy Spirit never ceased.
That's exactly the point that I reached in my walk. It's absolutely not one or the other, but both. I would have to call so many Christians (that I know personally) liars bc of their supernatural experience; everything in their life and walk points to Him. Intellectual faith is just that... pure head knowledge. It's not one or the other.
@@thrivewithjesus5216 amen. Once combined, there’s balance in the walk. We miss a monumental target in the Lord when we lean too much to one side of it. The way I was saved and received the Holy Spirit was a supernatural experience where Jesus came a touched me on my shoulder and changed me. Saved me from committing suicide! How could I reject that experience when it was a pinnacle point in my life?! Woe to me if I ever did.
I don't believe cessation but I don't believe in hurling prophecies into the crowd like candy from a parade either. That said, a conference based around what you don't believe in is nothing but an echo chamber.
The biggest issue with Cessationist theology is that it's built on the argument of silence (ie Because we read of it less often as time goes on it must mean it occurred less and less as the apostle died out. However the issue with anything being silent, is there could be many reasons why there is silence and for Cessationist to be a true doctrine, it would have to do its due dillengence and eliminating all other reasons it could be mentioned less. If it does that and Cessationist theology is the only one left standing, then it could be a valid idea. However, they haven't eliminated all the other factors for silence, that Bible could account for, things like negligence, or fear of using a gift . It is possible there were used less often on those grounds, however Cessationist is a lazy theology it doesn't do it's due dillegence theologically or historically in factoring all the reasons silence exists. Making Doctrine from what isn't mentioned is an awful, awful hermeuntic and imy opinion nothing short of resting doctrine on experience rather than the written word. They are resting thier teaching on the same foundation as Charismatics, and if G3 says basing theology on experience is bad, then at least when it comes to this teaching, they are just as false as the charmatics, they are denouncing because they are doing the same thing.
I would like to respectfully counter your argument because you wrote, "It is possible there were used less often on those grounds, however Cessationist is a lazy theology it doesn't do it's due dillegence theologically or historically in factoring all the reasons silence exists," and therefore you say they are as false as the charismatics. Well, I believe they have a sincere Biblical and logical argument for their cessationist view that needs to be considered. 1) Cessationists more than likely base their theological view on 1 Corinthians 13:8-13. Though you may disagree or have a different interpretation of those verses, the Cessationist have verses that speak of certain sign gifts ceasing or passing away. In addition, they can also go to 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 to show the gifts that are ranked in order of importance with a set of rhetorical questions where the answer is no. And the questions are basically, does every believer have these gifts? And it would be no because it is God that gives each gift to the body of Christ as it pleases Him for His purpose. This would negate the idea that we should or would see an abundance of sign gifts every church service or conference to the point where everyone is doing it for no purpose, which brings up my next two points. 2) For everyone in the comment section criticizing the view of Cessationism, I find it interesting that everyone takes the Michael Brown tactic of attacking these Christians while not calling out the blatant fakeness of many of these gifts from blatant false teachers. There are plenty of verses in the New Testament about false teachers (Romans 16:17-18, 1 Timothy 6:3-5, 2 Peter 2, and the whole epistle of Jude are just a few), yet I find it interesting that many of the false teachers demonstrate these sign gifts at a regular pop. So the Holy Spirit is giving sign gifts to false teachers that have false doctrine, yet no one calls them out because you want to defend the continuation of gifts? This doesn't prove cessationism alone, but it is interesting that the denial of cessationism seems to lead to the other side of the coin where anything goes and that's okay. With all the technology and social media, shouldn't we see examples of true sign gifts as much as we see the fake ones documented all over the place? 3) Because sign gifts are abused, I find that every one that others want to defend violate scripture. People speak in tongues in abundance, yet they violate at least five things about the use of tongues in 1 Corinthians 14. People want to prophesize, but the prophesies are false which violates Deuteronomy 18:20-22. People want to claim to be healers, yet the healing doesn't match anything you see when Jesus healed in the Gospels or the Apostles healed in the book of Acts. Again, if there is evidence of the sign gifts, you can't just say it's silence on the part of Cessationists when there is no good documentation of it. Could the sign gifts be less today? Absolutely, but there should be some evidence of it because if we see it rightly documented in the scriptures, we should also see it rightly documented in life. To claim Cessationists don't do their due diligence because you disagree is unfair. Again, if they start with scripture to make their points, particularly from 1 Corinthians 12-14 as a guide (since this epistle is all about correcting abuses and those chapters talk about the abuse of spiritual gifts), then the charge that they are being emotional is unfounded. There are just as many reasons to believe the gifts have ceased as to think they're still operational. And if you believe they are operational, then it should and better line up with scripture. If it doesn't, call it out before throwing the Cessationists under the bus. Just something to prayerfully consider.
@@2timothy23 I think your arguments make logical, rational sense and if I were Judging on that basis and basis alone, then I would totally agree with you. However my allegiance is to the Word and the Word as the final Word on the matter and from that perspective even though the argument makes rational sense, there's no Scripture that supports it.Take for example your claim that there is a lot of false prophecies. I would argue that if the gifts don't exist, then you're left with the gifts of teaching and preaching, and I would argue that therye have been way more abuse of that gifts throughout church history than prophetic. However we would now use the abuse of preaching to argue against it's existence. Whatever argument we make for the existence for gifts must be applied equally, so it's not fair to say, they don't don't happen because of the ramptant abuse, but then turn around and defend preaching as a valid gift even through it's been more abusive as a spiritual gift. You can't use your reason to deny it here and then ignore on a gift you would say is valid.
@@TytoraIt seems to me the hyper critics of Charismatic beliefs have indoctrinated the cessationist masses into believing that such beliefs equals the prosperity gospel. It does not. Arch critic MaCarthur is worth c£16m so he hasn’t done so bad peddling the word of god for profit.
@@wolves201 Funny how you pin pointed J.McArthur as if though I showed some type of interest in defending him. Let’s assume we take that route with comparisons, the modern hyper charismatics surpass anyone with it comes to gaining wealth with the ministry, they cherry pick verses to infuse a mindset upon people so the money can come in. Even if you pay me, I would not listen to Copeland, duplantis, furtick, Osteen and I can keep listing. Osteen network is around 100Mill Copeland is 750Mill Duplantis has around 50Mill which is an estimate cause he doesn’t release anything Furtick is around 55Mill I can go on, but you get the point. Regardless, can one be rich? Absolutely, but how did you get it? Did you work hard for it? Or did you twist God’s word and oppress the poor to full your wallet?
@@Tytora I pointed out McArthur as he is one of the most vocal of the cessationist heretic hunters and a man very many hold in very high esteem. He publicly slags off charismatics as unsaved and has a particular disliking for Osteen who replaced him on a tv chat show slot. He makes a big thing of the rich charismatics being godless. Glass houses and throwing stones is an old phrase that comes to mind in regard to Mr Mac. Of course, he is not alone. Justin Peters and Chris Rosbrough are key players amongst the growing breed of heretic hunters with Peters being particularly zealous burning heretics at a metaphorical stake. Incidentally, I’m unashamedly of a Pentecostal/charismatic persuasion. I heard Duplantis speak at a church once and that was enough. I don’t listen to any of the others. Cessationists don’t have a special gift in discernment or spotting buffoonery. If they did they would be equally ripping into the many dodgy and ungodly leaders in their own movement. But then again it wouldn’t be as good for their TH-cam channels.
If the cessationists say that the scriptures are sufficient, they cannot even show a single verse to prove cessationism. If they ever use a verse, they read into it. Cessationism is a dangerous teaching! If a new believer hasn't heard such a teaching, he won't subscribe to it but simply obey what's written on the Scriptures and not forbid the practice of the gifts of the Spirit! Why not have a conference on other matters such as evangelism, discipleship, etc and not charge people with hefty conference fees instead only what they can afford.
@@joelp8758I am glad to hear that. But within the church today, are people abusing the gifts of spirit? YES. You'll find that everyone talks about seeking the gifts but no one talks about the instructions, no one abides by the commands of scripture. Everyone wants to pray in tongues, everyone wants to bring forth a prophecy. And Paul said it In 1 Corinthians 12:30 [30] Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? I am not a cessationist, but we have not seen the gifts being used as the scripture instructs us. I've walked into church services where everyone is speaking in tongues and the pastor preaching, that was his main goal, to have everyone speak, where's the interpreter? Why didn't he preach on sin? Or how to battle with life and the difficulties that come our way? God can still heal, and God can still move in the spirit, but sometimes you just have to question when “men of god” do some shady and questionable stuff. We must first read the word and also learn to use discernment. God bless you.
Yes there are abuses of the gifts but that should not make you avoid the gifts. Use the gift and avoid the abuses. Pray that we can use the gifts for His will and purpose. You’re right, we need to turn to the Scriptures where we can get instructions. Blessings
The charismatic movement is a shame for sure, but you are a shame as well. You must lean on the extreme error to prove your entirely anti-biblical point of view. You cannot lean on the Bible to prove your point. There is a way to expose the most egregious charismatic issues Biblically without committing egregious error yourselves. So you've debated the "scholars," what about the common man - the one "who was blind but now I see?" Will you debate him? No. No way. You have to keep your debates in academic circles in a closed academic forum, your own controlled environment if you would look good to your followers. May God have mercy on you and open your eyes. You commit serious error against the present-day work of God through His Spirit.
Cessationist is about as Biblical as a Bethel Sermon. I don't think Cessationist realize they are making the same hermetical mistake as Charismatics. The complaint leveled against Charsmatics is they put experience over the Bible HOWEVER THAT is THE SAME FOUNDATION Cessationist teachings is built on. The strongest argument made is from silence, " We stop experiencing it, as time goes on." However an argument from silence is an argument that is grounded in experience, not the Bible. It's like saying God never moved in Esther, because there is no mention of God in the book of Esther. That is the same argument Cessationists make, because we don't hear more about it it must mean it stopped. Theologically, there is no biblical grounding for Cessationism as it taught today. It is very close, to almost outright a heresy in the church. The only reason I not ready to say its a false teaching, is there is merit to the idea in Scripture that Spiritual gifts have an expiry date. If the teaching were "They will end, we 're just not sure when" then I would argue for it a biblical view, but the idea that the gifts stops at the compilation of the cannon or the idea they died off when the apostle died is no where to be found in the Bible. There's is no one verse that actually says it. The argument rests on silence an experience. and it's just as dangerous to Christians as Bethel.
If cessarionist is true, then the need to prove it using scripture. There is not one scripture that supports cessarionisn. If they actually had scriptures then they would not need a conference
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@@HearGodsWord I totally think that is was A Cessaninist is, someone who puts feelings and experience before the Bible. A Cessaninist is no better than Bethel
Thank you for being pillars of truth whether people like or dislike.
The truth is cessationism is heresy a doctrine of demons repent and be filled with The Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues find a Pentecostal Bible believing church turn away from cessationism now cessationists are blaspheming the Holy Ghost
Is this full conference online/on TH-cam?
If you aren't hearing from God, I'm praying for your salvation, and for God to reveal the truth to you!
How do you hear from God?? Tell me more
Thanks
Oh no!!!’… more Blackaby blabber!!
Amen
If you’re not 100% correct on your prophecies, you aren’t a prophet. I rest my case.
meh, thats not totally true Biblically, Balhe,m Johan and the guy that told Paul is was going to be arrested where didn't see their prophecy come true 100% Yet they were considered genuine You'd have to make the argument God only speaks through irritant people, but nobody is irritant.
I bet there is a correlation between those who are giving 'modern day prophecy' & those who don't want Theonomic practices like 'killing those with false prophecy'😅
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Read Deuteronomy 13 & 18. Prophecies are not as simple as people think they are.
@@danrenton1749Wasn't Paul later arrested and beheaded?
The trinity of cessationist thinking is Father, Son, and Holy Bible. We need the Spirit today just as much as the first Church. God's Word points to a reality beyond itself. Jesus is enough. If He is not the prize, you're aiming at the wrong target.
Come one come all to watch some men in ill fitting suits twist and contort the Scriptures!
We promise to chop down the Spirit of God to fit our Procrustean bed.
We promise to tell you about all the things God is NOT doing. He is there and He is silent!
Sola Scriptura except for the parts about earnestly desiring the gifts of the Spirit! Don’t worry, no women will be talking at all!
Guaranteed to not pray for your healing and not pray for your prosperity! Only $300!
Not one word from God or in his word that says your move is real..
I think you all are basing your hermeneutic on your experience on this topic but I am nonetheless excited to come and learn from people who know more than I do :)
Looking forward to joining you.
Cessationism is heresy. I myself pray in tongues
Your comment clearly show that you dont know what even heresy means...
@@jakubkrticka1040 So to deny the Holy Spirit is not heresy?
@@PaulWayneJohnson-ie4cuSo you are saying Im heretic? That Im outside of salvation? Same as, I dont know, almost every real christian from 100-1900?
Look, Im not denying him. I believe in Holy Spirit, He is God and He dwells in each believer. We are talking about his work in believers.
But you on the otherhand, you are technickly denying Holy Spirit, by giving him praise for things He is not author of.
And you are just bending Scriputre so it will fit into your experiences. Your beliefs are based on your experiences or of others and by that you interpret the texts.
Take for example the 1st Pentecostal people in 1901.
Do you know that they believe that the gift of tongues were really accualy languages? And they thought they were speaking Chinese.
Yet after failed missions, where they reliazed they were speaking gibberish (as you do I guess) they come up with different interpretation.
They based the Bible on personal feelings and experiences.
When you know the origins of these kind of mvmts you can clearly see through it.
And btw Im not saiyng that you are heretic, because this is not the realm of salvation.
I have a very high view of scripture and the power of the spirit. I don't see anything today keeping to that standard, hence I'm a cessationist.
Ummm so the Muslims in the middle east who receive dreams of Jesus and come to the faith because of that are just delusional. They are not real Christians. If you want to see miracles happen commonly maybe step out of your bubble and you will see all he he is doing across the earth. Only western Christians believe this crap of the supernatural not being active like before and our unbelief is what keeps us from experiencing it. The proof is there, but you got to bury your unbiblical and man made theology and from human conclusions and not the word of God.
Cessationism is heresy a doctrine of demons repent and be filled with The Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues find a Pentecostal Bible believing church turn away from cessationism now cessationists are blaspheming the Holy Ghost
AND THAT'S WHY I LOVE GINO JENNIGS COS HE AS WELL EXPOSE THOSE FALSE PROPHETS, BUT, HE DOES IT FOR FREE
U DON'T 😡😡😡
Just because there are counterfeits, doesn't mean there isn't the genuine. The gifts of the Holy Spirit never ceased. We need them as much today as the Church did then. Acts 2:
11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
1 Corinthians 13:
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
"That which is perfect" has not come yet. The verse is speaking of Christ, not some cannon of Scripture as cessationists claim by reading into Scripture what they want it to say. When that which is perfect is come, is when we shall See Jesus face to face. That hasn't happened yet.
1Thessalonians 5:20-21
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Notice that although the Christians were speaking, each one heard them in their own language; it was the gift of tongues operating; they weren't speaking a bunch of different languages, but each heard what was said in their own language.
The Holy Spirit will not speak words through someone that contradict Scripture. The Holy Spirit will not perform works that contradict Scripture. When you see that, you know that it is not from God. We have to use discernment by being grounded in Scripture to know the genuine from the false. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater out of fear, and don't be satisfied with stopping short of all that God has for you.
“For a generation certain evangelical teachers have told us that the gifts of the Spirit ceased at the death of the apostles or at the completion of the New Testament. This, of course, is a doctrine without a syllable of Biblical authority back of it. The result of this erroneous teaching is that spiritually gifted persons are ominously few among us. This frightening hour calls aloud for men with the gift of prophetic insight. Instead we have men who conduct surveys, polls and panel discussions. We need men with the gift of knowledge. In their place we have men with scholarship-nothing more. Thus, we may be preparing ourselves for the tragic hour when God may set us aside as so-called evangelicals and raise up another movement to keep New Testament Christianity alive in the earth.
The truth of the matter is that the Scriptures plainly imply the imperative of possessing the gifts of the Spirit. But I must also add a word of caution. The various spiritual gifts are not equally valuable, as Paul so carefully explains. Certain brethren have magnified one gift out of seventeen out of all proportion. Among these brethren there have been and are many godly souls, but the general moral results of this teaching have nevertheless not been good. In practice it has resulted in much shameless exhibitionism, a tendency to depend upon experiences instead of upon Christ and often a lack of ability to distinguish the works of the flesh from the operations of the Spirit. Those who deny that the gifts are for us today and those who insist upon making a hobby of one gift are both wrong, and we are all suffering the consequences of their error.”
-A.W. Tozer
I agree. There are way more false Preachers that false prophets and yet we would not discount the gift of preaching because there more false preachers that false prophets
It's right to call out the counterfeits
@@HearGodsWord Only if you're right. If you call out a counterfit and you're wrong, that is evil.
@danrenton1749 plenty of counterfeits called out here. You should be glad that people are being pointed away from false teaching or NRA and WoF and pentecostal etc.
True and thank you ❤️
To believe in cessationalism is to deny the power of God. you are essentially saying that he has changed; was he only powerful in Biblical times?????? He's the same God yesterday, today and will be forevermore. He's still working miracles.
I'm a continuationist as well however, because God acts in different ways during different periods of time doesn't at all mean he changes. This is demonstrable in the old covenant/new covenant etc
I look at this this way; it's not about God changing, but rather, using people in different ways to "build" his church under different circumstances in different eras. In the first century God used the apostles appointed by Jesus to establish a strong foundation for the Church with Jesus as the Cornerstone (i.e. no New Testament scripture at that time). The apostles of that time were empowered with ability to execute miracles etc. to validate their apostleship along with preaching the true gospel of salvation. They were also equipped by the Holy Spirit to bring the Holy written Word of God for the continuation of building the Church since the original Apostles would eventually pass away and the canonized New Testament would be available to all true Christians for personal growth in Jesus Christ. This does not remove power from God. God performs miracles even now, but when He chooses to and how he chooses to. We are not called to "command" God or the Holy Spirit ("Word of Faith") to do whatever we think He should do or "Declare or Decree" because we think we know his will (Isaiah 55:8-9 The Lord says, “My thoughts are not like your thoughts. Your ways are not like my ways. Just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.)
The heresy of cessationism is diabolical. That they will charge people hundreds of dollars to tell them that God doesn’t work wonders anymore is baffling to say the least.
Do you believe God is still writing scripture?…..careful you might be a cessationist!
@@MatthewEllis-mz2ju Haha your comment is so disingenuous, i don't even know where to start from.
Not a single person speaking at this conference believes God can't and doesn't work wonders anymore. What cessationists believe is that no modern person has certain gifts bestowed upon them to work wonders as they will. There's a lot more to it, maybe you should come.
@@RogueOrracle I agree. If anyone thinks they can operate gifts at will that's obviously fake. Sam Storms agrees with you and Michael Brown as well.
@@RogueOrracle Stick to the bible and don't waste your hard earned money on people who downplay the supernatural when that is what the Bible is all about. Seek the gifts of Holy SPirit as the scriptures instruct us to and stop listening to men who want to erase many parts of scripture because it doesn't fit their experience. You have not because you ask not the scripture says. Cessationism, especially hardline cessationism which these men espouse is a heresy and totally opposed to the scriptures.
The two should be combined. God’s word is enough but also understand that He is the same God yesterday today and forever. We sin when we render supernatural experiences from the Lord as lies or “Charismatic.” The gifts of the Holy Spirit never ceased.
Amen
Word & Spirit
That's exactly the point that I reached in my walk. It's absolutely not one or the other, but both. I would have to call so many Christians (that I know personally) liars bc of their supernatural experience; everything in their life and walk points to Him. Intellectual faith is just that... pure head knowledge. It's not one or the other.
@@thrivewithjesus5216 amen. Once combined, there’s balance in the walk. We miss a monumental target in the Lord when we lean too much to one side of it. The way I was saved and received the Holy Spirit was a supernatural experience where Jesus came a touched me on my shoulder and changed me. Saved me from committing suicide! How could I reject that experience when it was a pinnacle point in my life?! Woe to me if I ever did.
Well, God the same, yesterday, today and forever does NOT mean that at all!!!!
I don't believe cessation but I don't believe in hurling prophecies into the crowd like candy from a parade either.
That said, a conference based around what you don't believe in is nothing but an echo chamber.
Romans 8:14 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
O no they are not! - Cessationists
The biggest issue with Cessationist theology is that it's built on the argument of silence (ie Because we read of it less often as time goes on it must mean it occurred less and less as the apostle died out. However the issue with anything being silent, is there could be many reasons why there is silence and for Cessationist to be a true doctrine, it would have to do its due dillengence and eliminating all other reasons it could be mentioned less. If it does that and Cessationist theology is the only one left standing, then it could be a valid idea. However, they haven't eliminated all the other factors for silence, that Bible could account for, things like negligence, or fear of using a gift . It is possible there were used less often on those grounds, however Cessationist is a lazy theology it doesn't do it's due dillegence theologically or historically in factoring all the reasons silence exists. Making Doctrine from what isn't mentioned is an awful, awful hermeuntic and imy opinion nothing short of resting doctrine on experience rather than the written word. They are resting thier teaching on the same foundation as Charismatics, and if G3 says basing theology on experience is bad, then at least when it comes to this teaching, they are just as false as the charmatics, they are denouncing because they are doing the same thing.
Also, the Ante-Nicene Christians believed the gifts could still operated
Amen
Amen
I would like to respectfully counter your argument because you wrote, "It is possible there were used less often on those grounds, however Cessationist is a lazy theology it doesn't do it's due dillegence theologically or historically in factoring all the reasons silence exists," and therefore you say they are as false as the charismatics. Well, I believe they have a sincere Biblical and logical argument for their cessationist view that needs to be considered.
1) Cessationists more than likely base their theological view on 1 Corinthians 13:8-13. Though you may disagree or have a different interpretation of those verses, the Cessationist have verses that speak of certain sign gifts ceasing or passing away. In addition, they can also go to 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 to show the gifts that are ranked in order of importance with a set of rhetorical questions where the answer is no. And the questions are basically, does every believer have these gifts? And it would be no because it is God that gives each gift to the body of Christ as it pleases Him for His purpose. This would negate the idea that we should or would see an abundance of sign gifts every church service or conference to the point where everyone is doing it for no purpose, which brings up my next two points.
2) For everyone in the comment section criticizing the view of Cessationism, I find it interesting that everyone takes the Michael Brown tactic of attacking these Christians while not calling out the blatant fakeness of many of these gifts from blatant false teachers. There are plenty of verses in the New Testament about false teachers (Romans 16:17-18, 1 Timothy 6:3-5, 2 Peter 2, and the whole epistle of Jude are just a few), yet I find it interesting that many of the false teachers demonstrate these sign gifts at a regular pop. So the Holy Spirit is giving sign gifts to false teachers that have false doctrine, yet no one calls them out because you want to defend the continuation of gifts? This doesn't prove cessationism alone, but it is interesting that the denial of cessationism seems to lead to the other side of the coin where anything goes and that's okay. With all the technology and social media, shouldn't we see examples of true sign gifts as much as we see the fake ones documented all over the place?
3) Because sign gifts are abused, I find that every one that others want to defend violate scripture. People speak in tongues in abundance, yet they violate at least five things about the use of tongues in 1 Corinthians 14. People want to prophesize, but the prophesies are false which violates Deuteronomy 18:20-22. People want to claim to be healers, yet the healing doesn't match anything you see when Jesus healed in the Gospels or the Apostles healed in the book of Acts. Again, if there is evidence of the sign gifts, you can't just say it's silence on the part of Cessationists when there is no good documentation of it. Could the sign gifts be less today? Absolutely, but there should be some evidence of it because if we see it rightly documented in the scriptures, we should also see it rightly documented in life.
To claim Cessationists don't do their due diligence because you disagree is unfair. Again, if they start with scripture to make their points, particularly from 1 Corinthians 12-14 as a guide (since this epistle is all about correcting abuses and those chapters talk about the abuse of spiritual gifts), then the charge that they are being emotional is unfounded. There are just as many reasons to believe the gifts have ceased as to think they're still operational. And if you believe they are operational, then it should and better line up with scripture. If it doesn't, call it out before throwing the Cessationists under the bus. Just something to prayerfully consider.
@@2timothy23 I think your arguments make logical, rational sense and if I were Judging on that basis and basis alone, then I would totally agree with you. However my allegiance is to the Word and the Word as the final Word on the matter and from that perspective even though the argument makes rational sense, there's no Scripture that supports it.Take for example your claim that there is a lot of false prophecies. I would argue that if the gifts don't exist, then you're left with the gifts of teaching and preaching, and I would argue that therye have been way more abuse of that gifts throughout church history than prophetic. However we would now use the abuse of preaching to argue against it's existence. Whatever argument we make for the existence for gifts must be applied equally, so it's not fair to say, they don't don't happen because of the ramptant abuse, but then turn around and defend preaching as a valid gift even through it's been more abusive as a spiritual gift. You can't use your reason to deny it here and then ignore on a gift you would say is valid.
Cessationists have no Biblical leg to stand on.
So does the prosperityy gospel
@@TytoraIt seems to me the hyper critics of Charismatic beliefs have indoctrinated the cessationist masses into believing that such beliefs equals the prosperity gospel. It does not. Arch critic MaCarthur is worth c£16m so he hasn’t done so bad peddling the word of god for profit.
@@wolves201 Funny how you pin pointed J.McArthur as if though I showed some type of interest in defending him. Let’s assume we take that route with comparisons, the modern hyper charismatics surpass anyone with it comes to gaining wealth with the ministry, they cherry pick verses to infuse a mindset upon people so the money can come in. Even if you pay me, I would not listen to Copeland, duplantis, furtick, Osteen and I can keep listing.
Osteen network is around 100Mill
Copeland is 750Mill
Duplantis has around 50Mill which is an estimate cause he doesn’t release anything
Furtick is around 55Mill
I can go on, but you get the point.
Regardless, can one be rich? Absolutely, but how did you get it? Did you work hard for it? Or did you twist God’s word and oppress the poor to full your wallet?
@@Tytora I pointed out McArthur as he is one of the most vocal of the cessationist heretic hunters and a man very many hold in very high esteem. He publicly slags off charismatics as unsaved and has a particular disliking for Osteen who replaced him on a tv chat show slot. He makes a big thing of the rich charismatics being godless. Glass houses and throwing stones is an old phrase that comes to mind in regard to Mr Mac.
Of course, he is not alone. Justin Peters and Chris Rosbrough are key players amongst the growing breed of heretic hunters with Peters being particularly zealous burning heretics at a metaphorical stake.
Incidentally, I’m unashamedly of a Pentecostal/charismatic persuasion. I heard Duplantis speak at a church once and that was enough. I don’t listen to any of the others. Cessationists don’t have a special gift in discernment or spotting buffoonery. If they did they would be equally ripping into the many dodgy and ungodly leaders in their own movement. But then again it wouldn’t be as good for their TH-cam channels.
@rhondae8222 send through the verses where it says the gifts have stopped.
Wow the religious are gathering, such people fought Jesus for healing people on the Sabbath. So sad.
If the cessationists say that the scriptures are sufficient, they cannot even show a single verse to prove cessationism. If they ever use a verse, they read into it. Cessationism is a dangerous teaching! If a new believer hasn't heard such a teaching, he won't subscribe to it but simply obey what's written on the Scriptures and not forbid the practice of the gifts of the Spirit! Why not have a conference on other matters such as evangelism, discipleship, etc and not charge people with hefty conference fees instead only what they can afford.
More dangerous than the prosperity Gospel? Which many charismatics run after.
Both are dangerous! I don’t believe in prosperity gospel either!
@@joelp8758I am glad to hear that. But within the church today, are people abusing the gifts of spirit? YES. You'll find that everyone talks about seeking the gifts but no one talks about the instructions, no one abides by the commands of scripture. Everyone wants to pray in tongues, everyone wants to bring forth a prophecy.
And Paul said it
In 1 Corinthians 12:30
[30] Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
I am not a cessationist, but we have not seen the gifts being used as the scripture instructs us. I've walked into church services where everyone is speaking in tongues and the pastor preaching, that was his main goal, to have everyone speak, where's the interpreter? Why didn't he preach on sin? Or how to battle with life and the difficulties that come our way? God can still heal, and God can still move in the spirit, but sometimes you just have to question when “men of god” do some shady and questionable stuff. We must first read the word and also learn to use discernment. God bless you.
Yes there are abuses of the gifts but that should not make you avoid the gifts. Use the gift and avoid the abuses. Pray that we can use the gifts for His will and purpose. You’re right, we need to turn to the Scriptures where we can get instructions. Blessings
@@joelp8758 Blessings Brother!
The charismatic movement is a shame for sure, but you are a shame as well. You must lean on the extreme error to prove your entirely anti-biblical point of view. You cannot lean on the Bible to prove your point. There is a way to expose the most egregious charismatic issues Biblically without committing egregious error yourselves. So you've debated the "scholars," what about the common man - the one "who was blind but now I see?" Will you debate him? No. No way. You have to keep your debates in academic circles in a closed academic forum, your own controlled environment if you would look good to your followers. May God have mercy on you and open your eyes. You commit serious error against the present-day work of God through His Spirit.
Cessationist is about as Biblical as a Bethel Sermon. I don't think Cessationist realize they are making the same hermetical mistake as Charismatics. The complaint leveled against Charsmatics is they put experience over the Bible HOWEVER THAT is THE SAME FOUNDATION Cessationist teachings is built on. The strongest argument made is from silence, " We stop experiencing it, as time goes on." However an argument from silence is an argument that is grounded in experience, not the Bible. It's like saying God never moved in Esther, because there is no mention of God in the book of Esther. That is the same argument Cessationists make, because we don't hear more about it it must mean it stopped. Theologically, there is no biblical grounding for Cessationism as it taught today. It is very close, to almost outright a heresy in the church. The only reason I not ready to say its a false teaching, is there is merit to the idea in Scripture that Spiritual gifts have an expiry date. If the teaching were "They will end, we 're just not sure when" then I would argue for it a biblical view, but the idea that the gifts stops at the compilation of the cannon or the idea they died off when the apostle died is no where to be found in the Bible. There's is no one verse that actually says it. The argument rests on silence an experience. and it's just as dangerous to Christians as Bethel.
THAT IS DISGUSTING TO MAKE MONEY IN JESUS NAME????????
SICK , REPENT
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If cessarionist is true, then the need to prove it using scripture. There is not one scripture that supports cessarionisn. If they actually had scriptures then they would not need a conference
NO ONE wants to follow a DEAD GOD. I know my God is ALIVE and works MIRACLES today through the POWER and GIFTS of His Holy Spirit!! 🙌
I've seen too many healings, miracles, and deliverances, (AND experienced many words of knowledge, discernment, and accurate prophecy) to deny that the POWER OF GOD IS STILL AT WORK TODAY! And I've got GOOD NEWS! 🔊Jesus said TO ALL BELIEVERS in John 14:12 "Very truly I tell you, WHOEVER BELIEVES IN ME will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." and in Mark 16:17-18 "And these signs will accompany THOSE WHO BELIEVE: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; [18] they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
THIS is for ALL BELIEVERS! Hallelujah!🙌 I encourage you to take your relationship with God to the NEXT LEVEL and BELIEVE! 🙌
I'll leave you with what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:20 "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power."
God bless you all
Here we have an example of someone putting their feelings first
@@HearGodsWord I totally think that is was A Cessaninist is, someone who puts feelings and experience before the Bible. A Cessaninist is no better than Bethel
@danrenton1749 such broadbrush statements are not helpful.
@@HearGodsWord So why did you do it?
@@danrenton1749 you did, not me, so ask yourself.
Falling down backwards ("slain in the Spirit") is a judgment from God. See John 18:6.
Agreed. Those never were biblical gifts
Cessation is teaching is garbage
Nothing happening here
I respect G3 ministries and their doctrine, but doing a conference to talk about what Gods NOT DOING, and charge $300 for it at your own church? 🫥