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- The 911R is one of the rarest models produced by Porsche, with just 991 in existence and an engine from the GT3 RS it is very special and commands big money. In this video we get to drive one, and also compare it to the GT3 Touring, which seems a lot more affordable and a very similar package. Thanks for watching and please subscribe so you don't miss any new content.
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I am a professional motor car enthusiast and I’ve done an in-depth analysis on which car is worth buying: I want both of them.
They are both great cars
Literally the same thought, adults can't make a choice, only buy them all! haha
You read my mind. If bucks weren’t as issue, I would!
Damn these are sweet cars. You can have your Lambo’s, Ferrari’s, Aston Martin’s etc. As Tom Cruise says, “Porsche, there’s no substitute!”
Great video Mark. These are back to basics analogue cars. I regularly hit the 9k on my GT3T as it adds to the retro thrill of driving the lower downforce manual. All 4 limbs doing separate tasks as you change at the limiter, you really feel that you’re hanging on for dear life when overtaking, or powering on at the apex, the adrenaline buzz is immense. Like all sports & supercars, discipline should be employed as to where/when you use it. Great review buddy. 👏
Thanks for the feedback
Agreed! 9k all day, as many times as possible!
Great review and thanks for putting the experience in context vis a vis other models. Very helpful.
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Thanks for this comparison, great video fella and really interesting conclusion.
Thanks for the positive feedback Robert
Great video 888MF, love those two 👌
Grazie
Naturally-aspirated horizontally-opposed 6 cylinders without a wing and rear seats with the lump hanging out over the rear diff-recipie for fun,a lot of fun.
Yes, both cars are a lot of fun. The 911R feels slightly more special.
Having just filmed a 911R for my own channel I found this really interesting, and filmed in a way that was sympathetic to both of these amazing cars. I haven’t driven either of these cars but I agree with your conclusions, the Spyders offer most of the thrills for a fraction of the cost. Awesome video bloke 👍
Super content Mark. Loved it well done 👏
Thanks Mark. Love your 911 Turbo!
Good video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Thanks Amber
Thank you for this video. Perfection served up two way.
Thanks for the positive feedback Adam
More adds than content
Thanks for the honest video... i gather shouldn’t be much of a difference between the two. I feel the same way and love the wing on my .2 GT3 manual and wouldn’t have chosen anything less as i believe the natural aspirated is the best option. Great Video and thank for the content!
Thanks for the positive feedback
Awesome video. Personally the touring would be my choice!
Thanks for the positive feedback Louis.
Yes yes yes... great video.
Thanks Matt
Good to meet you at London Concours yesterday. I'd love to buy a grey Touring to match my 458 Spider. And don't forget, we've got the 355 with full Capristo, if you fancy a go! Keep up the great work on this channel!!
Thank you.
Chris Harris when asked said the Touring a better car. 911R is very special indeed with each one numbered. Fortunately for 991.2 GT3 Touring owners the Touring came at the end of the 991.2 run so they're fewer and last of the analog P car's and demand a higher $. A friend has both and when asked said the 991.2 Touring a better car. Both fantastic cars and both keepers. I was lucky to get an allocation on a Touring and I have no intention of selling it.
Thanks for the comment Gregg. The GT3 Touring is a great car but when I asked a few people what was better, the 991.2 GT3 or Touring, I was told the former. The standard GT3 has better downforce and is less twitchy round corners. I was lucky enough to drive both the 911R and Touring back to back and the 911R felt more special, but there wasn't a lot in it. Happy motoring.
Great video 👌
Thanks Andy
Great video Mark, my choice would be the 911R but in GT Silver with grey stripes, silver wheels and clear tail lights!
Thanks for the positive feedback James
The R is just so special. The GT3T is basically an evolution and mass produced version of the R. It’s a better value, but the R is stunning.
Not exactly accurate, they made less 991.2 gt3 tourings than 991r
Awesome video and topic. We filmed a very similar video (still unpublished) and I've driven both cars. I have a few miles on my Touring as well. My thoughts are simple: Both are amazing. Truly. Buy the one you'll drive and you will enjoy more. For me it's the one that revs to 9,000 RPM, but there is no incorrect choice between these two.
Agreed - both are great !!
Thank you for not making the 911 R to be this incredibly different driving experience to a GT3 Touring as others have tried to do. Other than the lightweight fly wheel (which admittedly does make the engine rev more quickly and freely) there is little to no difference between the 2 cars despite what people (Porsche nerds) try to say.
Supply and Demand.....
Yeah agreed. The sound in neutral (if light flywheel was optioned) is the main difference.
The R is a lighter car. Plus it's also more rare with only 991 being sold world wide.
R has lower 0-60 and higher top speed albeit marginal difference, still different
@@dannunchuck1031 wouldn’t seem to make any sense that R is quicker.....weight is virtually identical, gearing is the same, and 4.0L in the Touring has a broader torque band
Enjoyed that review Mark. I love both of them . GT3 is the way forward :) I agree with your points about the lower power cars too, for use on UK roads. See plenty of wealthy collectors with a spyder in the garage. You only have to check out Craig’s Spyder Club
Can't go wrong with a 981 Spyder or 718 Spyder
Am glad I picked up a winged gt3, and saved 140k£ 😅
How lucky would be someone daily driving the 911R
A very special car indeed and also very expensive!!
I think Porsche wanted to sell them to people who would drive them hard, props to the owner for daily driving it
Awesome Video! (Please upgrade your audio! You're driving such amazing cars, audio is a big part of the experience)
Great video Mark! Interesting what you say about the 9krpm rev line. It's something everyone craves but very difficult to enjoy in the UK on the road.
Thanks for the positive feedback. I do find 9k rpm rather difficult to achieve in London!
@@888mf4 I'd like to see Porsche offer two final drives (or a transfer box!) with one for Nordschliefe lap time record-breaking and one for the public road where you can hit the red line in 3rd without breaking the NSL.
@@SterlingMess I think the problem is that the cars are designed for German roads!
Nice video mate. Two great cars. 9000 rev limit?! Pic your moments....
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Great videography and editing, question - how does the gearing on these two compare with your 4.0?
The 4.0 doesn't go close to 9000rpm so runs out of revs a lot quicker, but it feels like it has more torque lower down. The biggest difference is the clutch!!
911r looks so good
What an astonishing assessment @ 9.55? There's not many YT reviewers who realistically admit to the viable usability of premium model vehicles in this way. Thank you for the upload. P.S. I 'd have any one of the four cars mentioned here... if I dropped the Lotto.
Agreed. I just got a 991.2 T w a manual for exactly that reason. Was seriously considering a GT3T but the roads where I live (just out of Boston) would never let me open it up, much less hit 9k! Very happy w the choice. It’s replaced a 997.2 C4S PDK.
I try to keep it real
Buy both. Touring for driving and 911R as a store or value for your pension.
If only....
I enjoyed watching this comparison, I have the GT3 manual with the wing and it isn't that often you can get to that awesome red line. However the manual gives me some other involvement and I find I don't need to get to 9000 to enjoy driving it, even 5000 sounds great. This wasn't the case when I owned a GT3 pdk which was a bit too easy and I wanted to get to the red line all the time.
Great review. Always wanted to see what I should add to our 981 Spyder, but after seeing this I’m not sure if either of these cars are more fun for twisty roads.
It's hard to beat the 981 Spyder on twisty roads!!!
@@888mf4 if you had another car for twisty roads and fun what would you add?
@@lukeydukeyz Alfa Romeo 4C, Ferrari Challenge Stradale, Mini Cooper JCW, Honda Civic Type R, Lamborghini Huracan Performante, Ferrari 458 Speciale, Ferrari F8 Tributo, McLaren 600LT Spider, Porsche 997 GT3 RS 4.0
@@888mf4 I know you love those cars, but are they all actually good for the twisty roads? I do agree the CS, 4C, Type R, and JCW and the 4.0 might be good. However, I have a feeling the Speciale, Tributo, and Performante are all too big or too fast for the mountains. Plus they don't have the other engagement factor (the manual transmission).
Just want to hear your reasoning. Great content as always!
@@lukeydukeyz Performante and Speciale are both track focused cars, they are incredible on the twisty roads. Have a look at my video featuring my Alfa Romeo 4C in Europe in July 2019. We were in a convoy featuring both the Perf and Speciale.
i didn't even know, that there was a carbon option for the bodyparts of the 991 GT3 Touring. Or is it aftermarket?
Brilliant video what was the aftermarket exhaust on the GT3?
Thanks for the positive feedback. The exhaust is made by Dundon Motorsports.
@@888mf4 same one I have, it does totally make the car come alive!
OMG i agree a 718 Spyder handles, drives, looks and is a better buy. The Speedster humps, manual, 4 liter, 450 hp what’s not to like, pretty much same engine, best looking car at the moment. Please forgive me, yes understand the rarity of both 911R and less the T are more investments than drivers.
I was hoping to hear more thoughts on the different suspension and handling dynamic of the two cars. Then you recommend the 718 Spyder, which has an even longer gearing than the GT3, being more enjoyable more of the time. I’m confused.
The 718 Spyder is more useable at road speeds and with the roof down really immerses you in the driving experience
@@888mf4 all generations of the spyders are awesome
I would not say that it's worth 100k more, as 100k is the better part of an whole 720s in the classifieds, but the R has always to be worth more than the touring, 20k-50k over the best of touring for a normal spec fairly used R would make sense.
Touring for sure or with open budget the Speedster.
The Speedster is gorgeous. We did a review of one in Miami, which you can see on the channel.
Nice video, but you’re wrong about the wing, Porsche describes the automatic wing on the touring as having practically the same down force as the fixed wing.
Touring is based on gt3 the R on the gt3 rs and in sold in limited numbers so yea it is worth the money.
I think that was my conclusion. Supply and Demand !!
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Great video. I have a .2 gt3 with a rear wing and struggle to see why the touring is going for £175 plus. The 911 r is very special.
Thanks for the positive feedback
Supply vs demand. Technically (not price related), the rear end is a bit more lively at speed, when combined with the softer rear springs and lower downforce of the Touring. The intake system is also totally different from the winged car and is unintentionally a bit louder. Rear visibility is also easier.
As good as the GT3 Touring is. A 911R for me please 👍
Good choice if you have the budget
There's more than 40 RHD R's, that might be UK delivery? 24 where delivered to Australia! Plus the other RHD countries.
I couldn't find exact numbers anywhere
looking good Mark, don't think GT3 Touring is more common than 911R, given they made almost 1000 of..Probably they share very similar production figures. If you were to pay that premium, worth going RS 4.0, which got more rarity factor and it is a much more different variant (visually, to start with) than 911R
Thanks for the feedback. The 997 GT3 RS 4.0 is much more track focused. These two cars are for the road and hence have no rear wings and lighter clutches. The 911R has quite a big following so I am guessing values will stay strong.
What happened to the front towing eye cover on the 911R? Great video though
I guess it went missing when it was towed. Thanks for the positive feedback.
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Great review! The gearing on the manual 718 GT4 and the 718 Boxster Spyder isn't any better sadly. Top speeds in each gear are within 4mph of the 991.2 Touring in 1st through 4th gears.
Great cars but the 991.1 has the best balance between modern and classic. The 991.2 is a touch too modern for me already.
Which is quicker p1, lafferari or 918 spyder in roll racing ?🤔
Hopefully we will find out one day!!
Ive driven almost all, and driven an R over 80 miles. Problem is a 991.1 comfort at £80k, is so much car for the money. Are either the touring or the R worth what they are worth..not really. The R has a better turn in and feels a bit lighter ...but thats it. Buy a comfort 991.1, and a 675LT with the change. Disagree with the GT 4, they are just slow. Also the comment on down force - GT3's are not very well set up for UK B roads.
I came to a similar conclusion after driving both. I recommended buying a 991.2 GT3 and saving a lot of money!!
Precious metal...
I will keep my 981 spyder then and save 200k! I would rather a 991.1gt3 rs than these if my choice.
The 991.2 GT3 RS is a wonderful car - there is a review on the channel
The 911R will always be collectable and the touring good as it is won't be. To many that's very important
Well... Porsche didnt like the idea of people buying it just to flip it for cash. So they allowed people to specc the normal 911 exactly the same except for the R badge. So is it collectible? Sure. But as a car, anyone could specc the same thing.
I don't understand the 100k difference. These two are closer to each other than any other two 911s. Moreover, the gt3 touring is a gen 2 with 9000rpm. I think the 911 r is a scam. The 911R needs a lot more tech for it cost that much more imo.
Supply and Demand and the SMF
@@888mf4 it is just marketing and low supply :p
@@0wninguplz Buyers were paying $500K on the used car market
It was, but not anymore.
Only 991 made so it is still very rare
@@888mf4 I thought having a 4.0, 9k RPM redline, the touring would be the best bang for the buck
Man I'm glad I don't live in the UK. Those roads looks terrible
Where do you live?
@@888mf4 Australia
That's a surprise for me to hear: "a GT4 is a better car to drive... 90% of the time. "
This is not just a 'Porsche problem'. I think most supercars are so capable now and so powerful, that you really don't get to drive them anywhere near their limits on the road. This means a track is the only place you can open them up. I had a 981 Spyder for nearly two years and it was very enjoyable. Very rarely did I feel I needed more power.
Having owned the GT4 as well, I understand his meaning, however I'd say something similar but slightly different - To me the gt4 is easier to ring out and feel you accomplished something but leaves you wanting for more power or viscousness. The GT4 makes me smile - but the GT3 engine is the one that has my heart and is in my dreams.
Less downforce? Give me a break. A winged GT3 makes pretty much zero downforce at road speeds. Aero is irrelevant for road handling on a B road. Totally irrelevant.
High reving NA motor is so overrated and not really all that usable given the tall gearing.
Nope
White script over a white background sized for an ant to read. Brilliant editing. 🤨
Will try harder next time sir