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Don't fall for it! // 3/4 Length is not enough
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2024
- Don't fall for it! // 3/4 Length is not enough
Whether you're looking for a sleeping pad or an under quilt, don't go 3/4 length, get the full length!
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Totally agree on the ground thing. In a hammock though I think it depends on two things. 1. Season, 2. Complete kit. During 3 season camping (say down to 40° lows) I use a 30° Hammock Gear Phoenix BUT I not only use quilts with foot boxes close (or sewn) but I also always bring a sit pad for something to sit on during a break in the day or two kneel on once at camp when I am cooking or maybe bothering with a fire. That just goes into the footbox of the quilt and, in that kind of weather, I may as well have a full length quilt. Now when it starts getting much colder the full length 15° quilt comes out but until around 40° the 3/4 works pretty well because of the rest of my kit.
I don't disagree with you. Most of the time you can find a way to make it work, but I am at the point where I'd rather not make something work, but instead just have something that works!
I think that the answer here, as with all other questions, needs to be presaged with,”it all depends”. For about 35 years now, I’ve camped in the Great Lakes area of the US and Canada with a 3/4 length air mattresses. That’s in tents and hammocks. Two or three times, I added a seat pad under my feet to keep them warm. Worked well for me.
I use a 40 degree bag, not a quilt. If I want quilt to cover me, I just flip the sleeping bag over.
Where I’m going with this is that I’m glad that we both get to choose what we want. It’s all situational. Weather and personal preferences are parts of the situation. So are other variables.
My best to you.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
You're absolutely correct, with everything the answer can almost always be "it depends".
Mark, I too have come to realize that weight penalty and pack space premium is worth the full size. My PB low is at 4th Annual Florida Hang in 2014 (before it became HangCon) when we hit 23* in Ocala National Forest in Florida. Then I was using a Half UQ that went from my shoulder to my thighs. Years later I went to CDT UQ that I guess would be classified as a 3/4 or even a 7/8 UQ since, at an angle, it would give me full coverage except my head. This year I won a full size EE 10* UQ and it's a game changer. Amazing what 12+ years evolving from minimal coverage will teach us about the importance of coverage and comfort.
It's all about what works for you, for me the 3/4 just isn't it anymore.
I actually sold or gave away my full length quilts, and only have 3/4 length quilts. I don't regret it at all. I just slip my sit pad into the footbox of my top quilt and stay perfectly warm. I've taken that approach down to the low teens (F) with great results (20F top quilt, 20F Phoenix 3/4 quilt, and sit pad in the footbox). Without something in the footbox I can see people getting cold, but it's not hard to stick a sit pad you already have with you down in your footbox.
Note: I'm 6' 2".
I think the only way I'd go back to full length UQs is if I got a Superior Gear hammock. That would make more sense to me.
Wow! Glad you found a system that's working for you.
I will say, just about every time I hear about folks having issues with getting a good seal at the ends of their UQ, they are using a full-length quilt. In my experience, a 3/4 length UQ is much easier to get a good seal, because your body puts pressure across the entire length of the quilt. So that's something to consider.
If you already carry a sit pad, then you can achieve full-length insulation without adding any additional weight. But if you don't carry a sit pad, you'll need to factor that into your added weight, and will probably be no lighter than just having a full-length quilt anyway.
Yeah, I have definitely gone that route, but I have trouble keeping things under my feet. I toss and turn a lot and I always end up off it. I think there is a need for a video on how to adjust an under quilt properly!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 That sounds like a good idea!
Looks like I've got something to do this weekend!
I agree! I have two as well and the only time I use them is to layer quilts in the winter. Just get the full length, you can always loosen your quilts to cool off on the warmer nights.
They are good for adding some extra warmth to another quilt for sure.
The only 3/4 length quilt I have is the Loco Libre operator series 50 degree quilts. As long as there's no wind, it's fine. On shoulder seasons, I use my full length Hammockgear underquilt to avoid sleeping like a fetus.
I can't say that's my only one, but it is one of mine.
It really depends on how tall you are. I am 5'4" and a 3/4 underquilt is perfect for me. Add in my warm slippers and a hat and I am fully covered and warm. The weight and cost savings made a difference to me too.
That does make a difference, but also looking at the length of each companies 3/4, some are much shorter than others. I am sure that even at 5'4" I have one that would leave you exposed! Thanks!
Ditto. I have a 3/4 underquilt and love it. I'm 5'4 and it fits perfect. It's by hammock gear.
@@atgirl Mine is by hammock gear too!
What length is your 3/4th?
I considered a 3/4 for summer but in the end I decided to pass. In warm weather my quilt is a full length 40 degree UGQ, 850 fill with an over stuff; that’s good for about a 65-45 degree range. If it’s going to be hot I have a full length 40 degree HG quilt, 850 fill no over stuff; good for a range 75-50. I’m 6’ and a medium to warm sleeper; it took a while but that’s the system I’ve dialed in for myself.
Screw those 3/4 sleeping pads. Long wide for me; every time!
Long Wide for me as well. Even being a little shorter I enjoy sleeping on my stomach so the long gives room for my arms over my head.
I'm 5'7 and have no issues whatsoever with 3/4 quilts. They come down to mid-calf and I always have a sit pad to put under the exposed parts to keep me warm. Also agree with the post about a better seal with the 3/4.
Right on, roll with what works for you!
For summer, I love my 3/4 quilt. Im 5'1" and it's perfect.
Any gear you buy needs to fit you.
Exactly! If a 3/4 is full coverage for you, that's awesome, you can save weight and money and still be warm! Bonus!!!
At 40 degrees, a full underquilt tends to be too hot for me. The airflow from not having a quilt under my feet helps keep them cooler.
Even in the teens my feet stay hot if I backpacked to my campsite. I usually leave my feet uncovered until about 2 in the morning as there's still "steam" coming off the dry socks I just put on before bed.
In warmer weather, I'm usually going with a much smaller pack, and space is an issue.
If you're prone to cold feet or it's well below freezing, I can see where a full length quilt would be welcome.
You can always loosen it and vent the full UQ.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 That tends to vent your shoulders and butt about as much as it does your feet. If I'm using a 40 degree UQ, my feet don't tend to be an issue.
I use a 3/4 UQ with my Speer Peapod into the negative teens.
That being said, I tend to hike in nylon hiking pants down into the low teens. Long johns tend to be too hot for me above that.
My 3/4 UQ's tend to let me dial in the heat where I need it.
Right on, glad that works for you! We all sleep differently, it's great you understand what works best for the way you sleep! Certainly helps for an enjoyable trip!
I'll throw my hat into the ring. I only use my 3/4 length UQ out in summer conditions. It's gotta be above 60F for me to even consider bringing my 40F Phoenix from HG. At 60F I sweat in my 40F quilt with a full UQ. So I always opt to bring my 3/4 UQ in that weather. If there's a chance I'd see temps in the low 50's it's a no brainer bring my full length UQ. There's maybe be one of 100 times that I've wanted my full length UQ but the only reason for that was I had forgot my sit pad to put under my feet. Instead that night I got my butt up and used my pack. Not very comfortable but still fine.
3/4 pads I don't mind either but I need a really wide pad. However for pads in a tent I sleep in a ball and I'm short at 5'5" so it doesn't matter to me. I can see a tall person having issues with a 3/4 length pad though for sure!
If I remember correctly, I was with you on the LHHT and I think I had to borrow a sit pad because it was colder than I expected and I was using a 3/4 length. That or I just had a quilt that was not rated for what we encountered. Don't remember. There are certainly trips I've enjoyed the 3/4, but it's those times when you need more that I appreciate the full length!
yep - I did a 3/4 for my first bottomquilt at 30 degrees. price, weight, figured it was summer, shouldn't be a problem AND it could work into late fall or early winter type weather. well, it kinda was on occasion and it kinda wasn't. after that first time use, I knew for me at least I needed more coverage. the next purchase was a full-length 40 degree which I had been debating getting instead of the 3/4. I think a 5 or 6 oz difference and $30 more expensive (the budget was really tight then) but oh that extra length made it much easier to adjust to keep my 'whole' body warm on those nights it dipped down below 65 or so during the three seasons. And the 40 worked well into the fall. the 3/4 is still around and occasionally used for 'additional' warmth (think Shug's layering system) or for sitting around as a blanket-type wrap, but now I know that the 40 full-length was a better choice than the 30 3/4 but probably the 30 or even a 20 in a full-length would have been the best choice all around for a beginning, to cover the 3 seasons than a 3/4 30. good topic especially for anyone first getting into hiking/hammocking👍
I get it, I think even when we aren't strictly on a budget, it's the combo of less weight and costs less that will lure you in.
I'm fairly new to hammocks and going with a full length 20 deg was a good decision. It doesn't get colder than that where I usually go and if I go somewhere colder, I could layer.
I totally agree! The underquilt I just ordered…got it longer & wider especially for cold weather coverage. Sometimes saving ounces just isn’t worth the loss in comfort.
What UQ did you end up going with?
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I’ve got a -10deg Trailheadz ethereal quilt set. Top quilt is 56-57” wide (I don’t remember the width on the uq but I got it wider than their standard which is 44 X 78. 1000fp. I’ll definitely say their customer service is great! I’ll probably do a comparison once I get them and use them vs my Hammock Gear set. My quilts are being built … can’t wait to try them out! I just didn’t feel like the Incubator actually provided enough coverage when in my Sparrow hammock especially since it’s gotten colder.
Wow, you went for a nice toasty set! You certainly don't want to skimp on coverage at those temp ranges!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 totally! I sleep cold anyway so when temps hit single digits … I wanted to make sure I was toasty not just surviving! Plus, I needed a second winter setup since my mom started joining in on the fun! 😁
I was considering a 40 deg 3/4 underquilt for the Summer. I'm very short too so it's pretty much full length for me. It gets pretty hot and dry here in California so my 20 deg underquilt is pushed to the side most of the night. But it's so light and packs down so small anyway, it's not a huge priority to change. 20 deg full length seems like the sweet spot. Handles everything 3 seasons and can layer for winter.
If you're short enough that it is pretty much full coverage, no worries!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Also I notice the first thing that gets cold in the hammock is my feet. I guess I could try sticking a pad under my feet like Shug does, but still glad I stuck with a full length underquilt.
I really enjoy my 3/4 under quilt and 3/4 sleeping pads. I just use my ass pad in the bottom of my quilt to compensate for the 3/4 length. The 3/4 pad I do the same thing and sometimes even use my pack with no issue
Sweet man, do whatever works best for you! Keep getting out there!
I almost always grab my 20º 3/4 Econ Hammock Gear over my 20º Premium full length unless it's 15º. I just use my Down Socks and if needed Thinlight Foam Pad - 1/8" - from Gossamer Gear. But have only need it 2 times. But I use my 20º almost all the time unless it's 55º and up.Then I just use the DIY NO sew Costco Underquilt and Top Quilt. But with that being said if it's the 1st and only just get the full length!
Peace HikingFreak!
Hey Josh! Good to hear from you! There are very few times anymore that I can get away with the 3/4, I guess it's just been a part of my evolution over time. But as I ALWAYS say, find what works for you, and do that!
Totally agree. I kind of wish my full length hammock gear quilt was just a little bit longer and wider
I get that!
Since you have a lot of top quilts, if you were to start over and only had 1 or 2, what would you get and what size? I have a 20 degree hammock gear but wishing I would have purchased a wide. I have very wide shoulders and even in a hammock it doesn't seem to be enough. Also, now that I've tried a tent I kind of like it.
I think I would go with 2 sets, a 40 degree set that would be normal length and width, full length on UQ, and a 20 degree set in long, wide for better coverage. You could then stack them to hit the really cold temps.
I agree with both your thought process at the beginning and your final verdict. I think with the new higher fills and lighter materials that there is even less of an argument for the 3/4 length quilt. That being said, I picked up a Recon series 60 deg ("butt napkin") for use on single overnights with known weather in non-mountainous terrain. That along with my asym Dyneema tarp adds up to a whopping 7 oz total. I can carry my summer load easily in a Waymark Mile with room to spare at less than Fall dayhike weights.
I know there are certainly benefits to the 3/4, and in the right weather they are a good way to save some weight, but it's those times the weather catches you sleeping!
Not a quilt, but a mat- chuck a rucksack under your feet 😉
I mentioned in the video having to do this, I much prefer the comfort of a quilt over a mat or something else laying under my feet, but that's just me!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 aha that must have been when I knocked my coffee over 🤬
Wait, you wasted coffee???? Was it good coffee?
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 luckily no, to late to be grinding 😬
Phew, I was worried there for a min! LOL
Haha... Three or four years ago I went to REI and bought the Thermarest small to see if it would work for me. Luckily it was only a 2 day 1 night camp that I took it out on. I returned that damn thing immediately. I got the Uberlite Wide/Long instead. The Uberlite has been great for what it is. Its super lightweight, durable, no issues with it at all. I took it on the CT the last two years and it got into the high 20's several times and I was fine. I will still use it for longer trips unless I can find something else not too much heavier. Something a little bit more comfortable and plush. What you suggest?
I can somewhat understand a 3/4 UQ, but the pad is tough for me
depends on height , I gave someone that was 5 foot 2 a short uq and for them that is 100 percent length , compared to someone who is 5 foot 9
Sure, but then that's not a torso length or 3/4 for them, its a full length!!!
Hey Jeff!
I'm with you. 3/4 length just doesn't work for me. Even on the hottest nights, my 40 degree full length is must carry.
I'm looking at swapping out my 50 degree 3/4 for a full length right now.