The Boston Grand Prix Collapse (ft. GPLaps)
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- The Boston Grand Prix in 2016 offered an opportunity for IndyCar to race in one of America's most historic cities. It ended in failure.
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This was born of the Boston Consulting Group, the same firm that brought us
- Double Points for the 500, and finale
- Ending the season before labor day and thus having the longest offseason in professional sports
- The annual snorefest Indy GP
They also suggested things such as adding playoffs, paying A-list celebrities to enter the race as a wildcard entry for publicity, and dumping Barber and others in exchange for street races in metro centers like, you guessed it, Boston.
Double Points for the 500 made sense given how important that race is, the finale not so much. The rest, ugh.
All this, it should be added, despite the well-recorded disasters that befell every series that tried all this shit in the past (particularly the street tracks replacing the traditional road courses, which IndyCar had _itself_ tried back in the 90's with just about as little success).
Mark Miles' inept leadership caused all that
BCG is also responsible for the bankruptcy of Toys R Us, Circuit City, and Sears.
@@Nxtl68nah it was still bad
All I keep hearing is "the northeast is integral" and here we are over 5 years later since we had a single northeast race.
Heck, there isn’t even a race in the mid Atlantic either. The only race close to the East Coast at all is St Pete
Yea, that was a spit take for me.
Many of Indycar’s problems date back several decades. It’s a never-ending cycle.
They just haven't found the right venue. Loudon should be it but for whatever reason it isn't happening
@@marklittle8805 Agreed. They had one weather-plagued race there where IndyCar screwed up and threw a green flag when it was still raining and they never went back. Pocono and Watkins Glen are two other great NE tracks that should be but are not.
Bought tickets to this, so you can imagine how frustrating this whole ordeal was. Ended up having to file a claim with my bank to get my money back. What a mess.
Here is a crossover i never thought i would see it.
Nice Job nascarman and GPLaps
Watching this just makes me realize what an incredible accomplishment the NASCAR Chicago street race has been the past couple of years.
They obviously didn't have any Casey-esque executives attached to it.
which is _incredibly_ surprising. (source: am a Chicagoan)
They also had nbc behind that move while this race had no tv partners
GP has one of the smoothest yet gravely voices around. Good choice getting him to narrate this!
21:16
"...plus five hundred bucks for reputational damages."
I find that amusing for some reason.
GP Laps and Brock Beard?? A match made in heaven
Well GPLaps and NASCARMAN History actually - NM's open-wheel history knowledge far exceeds mine.
There needs to be a collection of all of Mark Miles’ failed projects and ideas. The fanbase needs to organize in order to force change.
Everytime I watch a video about something "bad" happening to IndyCar, his face is always there. It's quite uncanny, actually.
Boston was stupid for the sole reason that you have Loudon an hour and a half to the north. I was at Loudon 2011 at it was great, and I still want them to go back
It's like having Sanair in the 80s when Montreal is right there.
@@ZontarDow at least with Montreal it makes some sort of sense, since F1 would probably rather destroy the track than let Indy race there while they do too
@@theballingboi5360IndyCar literally raced there 4 times
@@ZontarDow I know, and they've raced at COTA before too, but they'd never be able to get a yearly race there
@@theballingboi5360 The yearly races at Montreal ended because NASCAR outbid them for the second weekend.
Much better than the AI crap last time. Now redoing the Hanford device video which is unwatchable would be greatly appreciated.
It kinda sounds like it's still AI
@jingles123456789ify it's GPLaps but okay
@@lindahaugh4711gplaps isn’t a real person he’s a conscious automobile
@@jingles123456789ifyI've been getting paranoid about that from several channels lately, across different parts of TH-cam I spend time in when I'm not watching racing videos.
Very timely!
Dude stole millions and only had to pay $50k? What a win
That's the key takeaway from this video that majority seems to be oblivious to. No wonder we're fauckt.
That's justice, i guess!
Two things Boston is known for: Corruption and bad roads. What could go wrong?
Actually 3, Horn Blowing. I assume they would at least have mounted clown horns on the IndyCars
This was the seaport district. Roads are virtually brand new.
Dont forget the plastic paddys pretending to be Irish
And the most racist fanbase in the NBA
@@hotmetalslugsbrand new TODAY, it was still a mess back in those days and they would have only repaved the actual course.
It's refreshing to have more creators working together with nascarman to work on videos. I hope you can work together with S1ap or EmpLemon in the future
Only Mark Miles and IndyCar could fall for scams like this. I mean, Motorsports Games is the ultimate proof
I blame Tony George still
Nah, IndyCar just lacks the credibility to keep weathering storms like this. They're not more or less stupid than NASCAR, F1, or the WRC. They're all just braindead enough for their biggest failures to leave their fans wondering if they're the dumbest of all.
F1's had plenty of stuff like this happen in it's history. The difference is F1 always keeps itself a couple of steps removed from the process of building new venues, if it fails for whatever reason they can pretend not to have been involved.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 this checks out since they were only awarded $500 for the reputation damage from this
CART or, more specifically, CCWS used to fall for some schemes, too. The vapor-races in China and South Korea come to mind immediately, but they had a few others, too.
Funny how people have no issues with football and baseball spends of billions for fixed facilities, but $500k for a race "is too much"😅
Loved watching the dude with the Bruins hat on talking shit about tax payers funding something they don't all want... like, yup, same goes for your hockey team I am sure lol
Stadium events don't block streets so I guess the NIMBYs don't have much problem with that lol. The F1 Miami race is pretty much done entirely on a parking lot because of this.
It was beyond the $500k in public money. And in Boston, there are no public sports facilities. Fenway, Gillette, the Garden are all privately funded facilities.
@@tholhubnerTD Garden was privately funded, Gillette Stadium too. Folks in this area are ardently opposed to public funding for sports venues; this led to Bob Kraft infamously using a move to Hartford, Connecticut as leverage to try and get concessions from the Massachusetts legislature - the tactic failed.
@@RobMcDougall except that Gillette pays no property taxes. That's STILL a publicly funded facility. My point is the $500K is a drop in the bucket.
That's the fastest I've clicked on a video in a while
"It's not a big college town"
-Ian Faith
“May I ask a practical question-are we doing the Boston GP next year?”
@@mrterp04 NO WE'RE NOT GONNA FUCKIN DO THE BOSTON GP!
Enjoy listening to Jake a lot more than a synthetic voice, so thanks! As for the subject itself, I'm getting awfully weary of everyone in a suit being a grifting scumbag.
I was visiting family in New England in the March of 2016. We flew into Boston, and I specifically took our rental car over to where the track would be. I remember driving around and thinking, “Wait, are they really going to race here?” The streets and the layout made no sense. It looked like they’d need to do a lot of work, and nothing had started.
Lo and behold, just a few weeks later the whole scandal came out. It’s a shame, I would have loved to see it happen.
And this dude had the gall to tell IndyCar he was working on a street course in Oklahoma City for them in 18 or 19. What a pathological lier
It's such a a shame that a couple of key positions held by the wrong people killed this concept; the layout was so, so promising. The flood plain situation is/was pretty much a farce, given that the area in question is already developed roadway for use by motor vehicles. Some modular concrete barriers and temporary fences/bridge being installed annually for a couple of weeks would have no effect.
However, the event probably would not have lasted more than a couple of years anyway, seeing the more powerful force of residential development that has taken hold in the area. There are now apartment buildings in what would have been the circuit interior.
I agree 100% once they started talking environmental studies, flood plains and permits that's when I knew the city was out to sabatoge this event. it never stood a chance once the NIMBY's took hold.
Great writing, and a fantastic idea to collaborate with GP Laps!
THE DUDE LITERALLY GOT AWAY WITH A $50,000 SETTLEMENT??? LOL
At least we got to go to Watkins Glen as the replacement race.
And now Indycar is out of the Northeast entirely after leaving Loudon, the Glen, and finally Pocono. A shame really
@@BB_Sebring They don't even have a good excuse for ditching Watkins Glen, it's nuts.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859No one showed up to Watkins Glen in the fall. IndyCar does not pay tracks for their use. They make sponsors do it for them.
Pocono and Watkins Glen are my home tracks. I'm sad that the last race I saw in person was all the way back in 2018. I'd love to see them head back to the Glen so I could camp for the weekend and enjoy the atmosphere.
@@thesourceofthenile My home tracks as well, and I made sure to buy tickets when they were on the schedule. It’s a darn shame. There is so much interest, and disposable income, in the Northeast that it is remarkable there is no race east of Ohio and north of Tennessee!
What a mess. No wonder we don’t have an east coast INDYCAR race.
Well done, both of you! I'd forgotten what a complete mess this was, and how much fallout occurred after.
There's a beautiful track in Loudon, and Pocono was not that far away . Why would they spend all that money for a shitty street race.
Because IndyCar wants to be paid by a track to come there.
Watkins Glen also which is debatably the best Natural Road Racing Circuit in America & possibly North America. I can't remember the final year Watkins Glen held the Indy Race but I was able to attend 2-3 of them around 2008-2012 in that time frame.
Actually thinking back since I'm not all the way through the video, I now recall them replacing this date with Watkins Glen in 2016 after the Boston GP fell through. But that may have been the final year they ran the Glen or maybe 1 other time after but it is a shame that they don't continue to keep a track with as much open wheel racing history as The Glen on the schedule.
@@cooley1521 I'd say Road America is better, but it's more 1A and 1B. The last time IndyCar was there, it was a track rental emergency. If we got a race where the Sahlen's 6 Hours of the Glen was on a Saturday and the IndyCar race was on Sunday, everybody would win.
@@danielhenderson8316 Road America is a Top Teir Road Circuit also & is very reminiscent of Watkins Glen by the way it flows with the natural geography & natural elevation changes. I'm slightly biased towards The Glen growing up living 50 minutes south of the Track but it really is a beautiful place in a beautiful area of Upstate NY & when you see those Baby Blue Armco barriers as you drive up the back road to the circuit it would give me this feeling of awe & excitement as a child going with my old man to camp for NASCAR weekend for the Bud At the Glen. Attended the IMSA 6HR's once, Indy 2-3x. If you ran Indy on Saturday Afternoon & the 6HR Sunday that should be able to pull a good crowd that Indy lacks & also IMSA lacks by standalone series. NASCAR weekend is night and day for spectators at the track compared with the other two mentioned
Great collaboration and really well put together.
As a Bostonian of the last 4 years, and a Rhode Islander all my life beforehand, I had no idea this was even a thing.
Also, I absolutely love GPLaps and his content. Jake is a master of both taming vintage race cars in simulators and his knowledge of the sport of racing in that era and before. Fantastic work!
Nowadays we are getting random street courses nobody asked for thanks to Mark Miles and his street course fetish. There’s reason why St. Pete, Long Beach, and Toronto are successful street races instead of these random copycat street races that’ll last like 3 years, 4 years if lucky.
I’m glad this never went through and they raced in Watkins Glen instead.
If only they coulda kept Belle isle
And they had to bail on Watkins Glen early because no one went after all. For a fanbase that claims to want IndyCar in the region, recent history shows there aren't enough people buying tickets in the Northeast to make any races work long-term. If races in the Meadowlands, Watkins Glen and New Hampshire can fail in the past 40 years despite having millions of dollars in marketing behind them, it's not the series fault they don't last.
@@HumbertoSaabedra it’s their dusty because they don’t know how to advertise their races outside the Indy 500.
IndyCar expects people to show up after like 1 advertisement
@@nfitz11 the park didn’t want them cuz if some environmentalist reasons, I think.
But imma be real, Belle Isle was boring in terms of racing product. Such an overrated street track. Downtown Detroit sucks as well. We have Michigan btw….
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Belle Isle came under the control of the state government after Detroit gave up direct control a few years ago.
The residents of Metro Detroit were able to convince the state to block IndyCar from holding the race Belle Isle because setting up the track cut into the peak season for residents accessing the park.
GPLaps was a great choice to narrate this story!
"a dumb car race" I'd love to know what Karen does for fun
19:50 in the end, the Boston Grand Prix managed to make at least one person happy (that guy who bought the show DW-12)
You know, that CFO/CEO was crooked, but it sounds to me like the city played a role in the failure and pretty much got off without being held at all responsible for their part in it.
I feel like this video was just summarizing the work done by WCVB, Boston's ABC affiliate and then playing 20 minutes of their clips.
Lmao, so a man who ran a minge hair removal business tried to scam his life away through Indycar?! Amazin
5:25 damn talk about a Karen.
She's probably dead by now
I have been waiting for this video for years. Thank you so much. Still praying our area can get a race soon 😢
It's was a disaster waiting to happen knowing the taxpayers didn't want this race to happen they should have raced in Loudon instead
“Establishing indycar in the northeast is essential…”. Apparently they forgot this and are content with it being primarily a Midwest series. My wallet is open, waiting for you to come back again.
Great collaboration!! And a great video. I had no idea about any of this. I'm always learning more about the history of motorsports thanks to you. Appreciate the hard work!! 🎉❤
indycar really needs to repair their image in the northeast
Maybe this could be the start of brock being the NASCAR person and then a indy car fan or someone who knows a bunch about indy car being the person to talk about indy car stuff on this channel. Idk
GPLaps is a big Motorsports guy
This hits very close to home for me. Thank you for uploading this
Acted as CEO and CFO. Nope, no conflict of interest there. 🤨
20:00 ....wtf? Bro was exposed for paying his mortgage and bills with Grand Prix money and he tries to sue Boston?
Can one be done about Vancouver ePrix (and Montreal ePrix)... both interesting stories of the same promoter failing.
i would totally buy a bostongp shirt, if they were like $5!!
Good reporting, and of course I could listen to Jake's (GPLaps) voice all day long.
This is the 2nd most Boston thing ever, 1st was the Gardner museum robbery.
I really didn’t know all of this went down. So now I see it wasn’t Indycar that pulled out, they actually got taken advantage of by a CEO who was just going after hard earned money. So the CEO got what he deserved right there. But I feel bad for Indycar in that situation, when they had to move it to the glen I knew they were doomed right there.
GPLaps does fantastic voice work.
Great narration. GPLaps is way better than any AI. Thanks guys
Labor Day 2016. I think Watkins Glen was ran on that date, which two years later went to my home track of Portland. So thanks Boston for bring Portland back on Indycar's schedule.
If it's corruption it's Massachusetts.
It's typical Boston as well. If the Boston Marathon wasn't already grandfathered in , there is no way they would host that type of an event today. Mayor Walsh caved in to the typical NIMBY's and they made it impossible to host. He Boston GP CEO isn't innocent or anything but he could have done everything correct and the city still will have found ways to sabatoge it. Boston is incapable of hosting large of events. NIMBY's rule this area with an iron fist.
from a friend i know who lives there, the nimby's are pretty much driving any investment off city because of their sheer stupidity and some of them aren't even from boston, but west coast, mainly california.
said people even blames Fallout 4 for "bringing unnecessary people" to the city
@@Bitterman5868 it's crazy, boston is a fantastic , fun city but it's hard to get anything major done in this city, is next to impossible. As with the Marathon, if the sports teams weren't already here, it would be impossible to bring one in. It's nuts out here.
This is what happens when you are a conservative city like Boston: nothing but gridlock and bad decisions. Was it worth all the gentrification and the illicit foreign investment?
@@BoswdTo your point, the Revolution (MLS) have been trying to get into the city for close to 20 years and can't get anything built.
@@RobMcDougall exactly
He took funds which werent his, funds that had a specific destination from a company he doesnt own and used that money to pay for his expenses.
Then says what he did wasnt wrong and he "deserved compensation" in what world does this guy live?😂
0:14 George Bluth ran the Boston GP?
There's always money in the banana stand.
He's writing a book? He could keep the books and that job...
I’ve been waiting for this video for 5 years at least
I'm fine with a new street race... AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY OTHER RACE
It's so sad how this all fell apart. As an IndyCar fan from the northeast, I was excited to hear that this event was a possibility. It's a shame that the people involved were so shady. *sigh* What could've been.
Boston roads & a Grand Prix are like water & oil😂 imagine some drunk Irish dude in his Hylander screaming Sweet Caroline on the track
People hate having fun in this city. Such a joke
Great video, knew this was a disaster, had no idea about the scale of the disaster. Amazing Mark Miles is still CEO.
Never heard of this before. Great story.
as a bostonian, i wish this race didn’t fall apart
Thanks for pronouncing Peabody correctly
"Dollar sign emoji." 😆
Got the balls to do Staten Island next???
Jesus what a debacle. I never realized it was this bad.
What a mess, there seems to be no overview of the finances. I wonder if it started when the finance officer became the CEO as well or before.
I presume the money was never paid back?
I bought 3, full weekend tickets the day before it got cancelled. My bank refunded me and fought the legal case for me luckily.
Now how about the New Jersey F1 race?
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As someone who now lives in Boston thank god this didn’t happen, just go to Loudon
I wish Boston could ever have a race 😭😭😭
The collab we didn't know we needed!
Casey was a real piece of work. Glad he eventually went to prison.
The avengers coming together !
This is why no one mentions Boston like we use to. City is too corrupt.
A damn shame, I remember looking forward to the race when it was announced and the disappointment that followed.
I was hyped for this, was on the wait list for tickets
Dude bought an Indy car for $7500. From a Boston auction. Wish I knew.
That oval in NH is really nice. Just saying
Politics and Money are a terrible combination
Mark Miles couldn't put a race on the schedule even if it was free
Damn a race in Prov would've been crazy
Technically, Boston gets somewhere between 350-400k Students. From 26 Universities in and near Boston.
Nascarman x GPlaps collab ‼️‼️‼️
There are some markets that need races, and the northeast is one. But New York City, Philadelphia, or even Newark would be better picks.
Still driving the Porsche!! 🤣🤣
Wetlands permit? Yes, the environmentalists ruining all the fun... over and over and over and over....
Should’ve done a heat race at SoBo
This is too many bad memories.
We had a similar scam in NYC. The crooks always beat the racers.
Ah the batmobile era! God these cars were ugly!
IndyCar has the best racing but has the worst management.
So basically he's a politician