What Happens When Racing Has No Rules?

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  • @Omar_ZX
    @Omar_ZX 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1477

    I wish there would be a spiritual successor to can am because imagine a racing series like this nowadays with modern safety standards but also modern ways on making car go brrrr

    • @PrzemyslawSliwinski
      @PrzemyslawSliwinski 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +198

      Well, if we remove the driver from the equation, we can re-create the Can-Am no-rule racing. And that would truly be the race of engineers!

    • @sIightIybored
      @sIightIybored 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      For competative reasons, there should probably be safety regs and a budget cap. Otherwise, go wild.

    • @NGR101.
      @NGR101. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It would be lmdh on steroids

    • @piccalillipit9211
      @piccalillipit9211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      *PEOPLE ALWAYS GO ON ABOUT NO RULES RACING* but a race engineer told me it would never be what people expect as racing is mostly limited by the safety at the track, so in reality it would look VERY similar to what we have today.
      OR there would be multiple fatalities per race. Rules are there to keep drivers alive - NOT to make cars boring and slow.

    • @extragoogleaccount6061
      @extragoogleaccount6061 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      @@piccalillipit9211 Different engine configurations and car builds can be made without killing people. This just sounds like someone attempting to get ahead of an "F1 is boring" argument that hadn't even been mentioned in this thread.

  • @AndyFromBeaverton
    @AndyFromBeaverton 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +665

    Can-Am was the most creative and exciting period of motor racing to exist. As a child, I marveled at what could only be called supercars back then.

    • @creeper4481
      @creeper4481 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      The 70s and 80s were considered the most Dangerous Decades in Motorsports History
      (Can-Am and Group 3)
      But man were they worth it
      Edit: Sorry, i ment Group B

    • @stefanzzz6778
      @stefanzzz6778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      CanAm and then GroupB. Yes. There is a reason these cars are still celebrated

    • @vzhm
      @vzhm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤l​@@creeper4481

    • @paulhope3401
      @paulhope3401 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      More like hypercars IMO.

    • @Doc_-_Savage_1
      @Doc_-_Savage_1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@creeper4481 And arguably an era with some of the most talented drivers ever. A whole lot of F1 drivers were also Can-Am contenders, and those F1 cars were....awesome, and also extremely unforgiving.

  • @paulrapp6
    @paulrapp6 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +419

    In the late ‘60s and early ‘70s I was a tech inspector for SCCA. I had the privilege of working the CAN-AM races of ‘69, ‘70, ‘71 and 73 at the (now long defunct, covered over and over built) Riverside International Raceway. I met Jim Hall, Bruce McLaren, Mark Donahue, Denny (“She’ll come right by race day”) Hulme, Roger Penske and a host of other drivers, professional and amateur, of the time. Great fun at a wonderful time in motor sport.

    • @josephbargo5024
      @josephbargo5024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Did you get any wrenches thrown at you? Lol

    • @joaquinsalcedo6661
      @joaquinsalcedo6661 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Very lucky human 🙂

    • @LEF3133
      @LEF3133 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Jealous you got to hear, see and smell these amazing cars in person.

    • @philiptownsend4026
      @philiptownsend4026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      What a great privelege to remember as the years go by.

    • @PhysicalEngineering
      @PhysicalEngineering 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      yea man its my fault for being born on the other side of the world in the 2000s

  • @SnakePlisskin1985
    @SnakePlisskin1985 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Literally the best racing ever. Best cars and drivers. I do wish someone could bring back a series like this.

  • @daveblock4061
    @daveblock4061 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +304

    I am old enough to have had these cars as Hot Wheels. All our favorite was the Chaparral 2E. The wing blew our minds.

    • @bumpedhishead636
      @bumpedhishead636 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes! I still have mine!

    • @soyounoat
      @soyounoat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I still have my white Chaparral 2E, but the wing is long gone.

    • @ShawnStafford-1978
      @ShawnStafford-1978 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have one of those Chaparral cars from Hot Wheels but it's from 1999. Still cool looking though.

    • @ndotl
      @ndotl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Strombecker Slot Cars: Ford J Car.

    • @kl0wnkiller912
      @kl0wnkiller912 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I still collect Hot Wheels and those ones are highly prized today. Wish I still have mine from the 70s.

  • @thefencepost
    @thefencepost 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    I saw the Can Am series in 1972 and 1973 at what was then called Donnybrooke Raceway (now named Brainerd International Raceway) in central Minnesota. The '72 race was won by the late Francois Cevert, a good friend of Jackie Stewart.
    The track boasts the fastest turn one in America. I stood on the inside of turn one and watched the faster Can Am cars enter the corner at or near 200 MPH. Sights and sounds embedded in my mind for life. While turn one is still in partial use the track has been modified to eliminate the long front straight, slowing the approach to turn one.
    In '72 Milt Minter and Jackie Oliver came in second and third. Mark Donohue finished 17th after a puncture. Others such as Peter Revson, Denny Hulme and David Hobbs failed to finish for typical reasons of that era, smoking engine, cracked block and broken tie rod.
    The push for safety and the overwhelming dominance of Porsche horsepower spelled the end of Can Am. It was a time when aerodynamics were beginning to be seriously explored and horsepower was limited only by the quality of the materials used. Racing dynasties that live on to this day were born in Can Am.

    • @A.F.Whitepigeon
      @A.F.Whitepigeon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Surely, the fastest turn one in America is at Talladega.

    • @SpaceMissile
      @SpaceMissile 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      that is absolutely so cool. great comment

  • @ROCKETRICKYH
    @ROCKETRICKYH 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    I am forever thrilled to have had a conversation with the great man himself - Jim Hall. It was at Goodwood FoS in the late 1990s; I asked him what car of his was the most fun to drive. Answer: the Chaparral 2A. Very cool experience. Thanks for making this video, Scott.

    • @RalstigRacing
      @RalstigRacing 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Did he explain why the 2A was his favorite?

    • @ROCKETRICKYH
      @ROCKETRICKYH 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RalstigRacing He said that it was the most fun to drive.

  • @catmus1506
    @catmus1506 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    This is why historic racing is the only one to watch. Seeing, and feeling, cars from this competition and F5000s roaring down a straight is just…. An experience. Words can’t explain the feeling.

    • @tommissouri4871
      @tommissouri4871 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It depends. many vintage guys running F5000 have no clue that is for 5000 cc engines and they run 350 and large Chevy engines. It's rare to see a 302 running.

  • @philipgrice1026
    @philipgrice1026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I was working at GM in Europe during this period and was an avid CanAm fan. Pete Lyons wrote the race reports for the British car magazine, Autosport, which I still follow today.
    There were rumors going around the Jim Hall was running a covert aerodynamics research operation for GM engineering. I'm inclined to believe this as GM engineering were a source of a lot of 'wacky' ideas that never saw the light of day in Detroit, but in Texas, away from the prying eyes of executive management, at Rattlesnake Raceway, Jim's private track, they could play to their hearts content.
    I'm fairly sure that the aluminum big blocks used by McLaren originated as part of a GM research project into making car engines from aluminum, especially those with linerless sintered metal cylinders for light weight and low friction, as eventually used in The Chevy Cosworth Vega blocks. The low friction surface was essentially sprayed on the linerless bores. That technology is common now but far ahead of the engineering then.

    • @andyharman3022
      @andyharman3022 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Chaparral's connection to Chevrolet Engineering is well documented in the book "Chevrolet = Racing?" by Paul VanValkenberg, who was an aerodynamicist at Chevrolet during that period. Chaparral was paid as a consultant by Chevrolet for doing "vehicle dynamics studies" at Rattlesnake Raceway. The working relationship was so close that the Chevrolet engineers could view data telemetry that Hall was taking on Rattlesnake Raceway in real time.
      GM was working on aluminum block engines starting in the 50's and first production of the 215 Olds and Buick V8's, which had cast-in iron liners. But Ed Cole was not satisfied. He wanted a lightweight engine that was cheaper to produce by not having cylinder liners. He worked with Reynolds Aluminum who was developing the A390 alloy, which had a hypereutectic content of silicon. During finishing of the cylinder bores, a special lapping process was used to etch away the aluminum leaving particles of pure silicon standing proud of the surface as the wear interface.

    • @848evo4
      @848evo4 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@andyharman3022 that Vega aluminum block didn't wear, but the damn rings wore like crazy

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@848evo4 YEAH...there were a LOT of Pinto's running around long after the last Vega was rusted back to its base metals.....one of my first automotive experiences was helping a guy re-ring a Vega engine so he could drive it as a work vehicle.....it was partially successful as it turned into a rust pile and pretty much disintegrated in the winter salt in northern Illinois

  • @mirandahotspring4019
    @mirandahotspring4019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +185

    Two Kiwis who were so successful it was called the Bruce and Denny show!
    Bruce designed and built the cars and he and Denny drove them. Bruce McLaren and Denny Hulme and the McLaren M8F.
    Over a period of 5 years they together managed to win a total of 38 races.

    • @mirandahotspring4019
      @mirandahotspring4019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@GuitarRyder11 I think it was four snowmobile engines.
      Not only did Bruce and Denny do so well, look at the cars that won the races. Bruce made cars and sold them to others. They totally dominated the race until the Germans showed up. A back yard builder beating the biggest companies!
      But not so unusual for Kiwis, take a look at Burt Munro and John Britten.

    • @ateague01
      @ateague01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GuitarRyder11What the hell are you even talking about? Drugs for Easter huh? Wild.

    • @mirandahotspring4019
      @mirandahotspring4019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @oscardelta147 Chris did win a race in the McLaren, in 1969, but he was never a season champion, Bruce and Denny tied that up.

    • @ConfusedGamerNZ
      @ConfusedGamerNZ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mirandahotspring4019 Only Bruce and Denny won races in 69'. Chris only won non-championship races.

    • @mirandahotspring4019
      @mirandahotspring4019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ConfusedGamerNZ I know, he won race 6 on the Road America circuit. Bruce won the driver's championship that year.

  • @spacedbro
    @spacedbro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I'd always known CAN-AM was beyond ridiculous but your video really captures just how much craziness and innovation happened in this series, fantastic video!

  • @slicedbread9003
    @slicedbread9003 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I loved Can-Am when I was a kid. So much innovation. I am an engineer now and Can-Am had something to do with that. Also as a result of Can-Am I have an appreciation for Sport race cars. In SCCA in the '70's Sport Racers were a popular and favorite class. You video was great, but you are only touching the tip of the iceberg as you mentioned. And those big block V8's sounded great, made lots of power and were reliable, considering how much power they were making. There was so much innovation in Can-Am you can do a series just on engines, then another on Chassis development. Then the teams. My favorite was Chaparral, and second was UOP Shadow.

  • @FOH3663
    @FOH3663 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    As a kid in the late 60's/early 70's, I'd turn every pink eraser I had into a Can-Am racecar.
    Drawing wheels on the sides, air inlet up front, and a cockpit on top looking down ... so much fun to day dream in class.
    Can-Am; the coolest racing series ever ... and it's not even close.

  • @grunewaj
    @grunewaj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    This includes the best description of the Chaparrals (the most innovative race cars of their time and even years later!). They were so unique that most of the people don't take the time to understand what Hall was trying to do and the result was that it sounds like they were just goofy cars. As a Chaparral/Jim Hall fan, I really appreciate the time that was spent to try to accurately explain Jim Hall's creations. I also appreciate the dive into the most amazing racing series ever - CAN AM!!! Thank you!

    • @RaveN_EDM
      @RaveN_EDM 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😊😊

  • @leventenagy4302
    @leventenagy4302 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    My god we need to bring this back : £150M cost cap, decent safety standards but no limits on fuel, engine size, tyres, aero, etc

    • @jordibt1789
      @jordibt1789 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      150M is more than a F1 team, i'd lend them some supercomputer time, a team of junior engineers limit tires, so speed, so as human crew can still make sense

    • @CosmicSeeker69
      @CosmicSeeker69 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Gilles Villeneuve would reincarnate for that!

    • @snakezdewiggle6084
      @snakezdewiggle6084 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes, it would be fantastic.
      But, what fuel.?
      Electric will be boring.

    • @tyleracimovic823
      @tyleracimovic823 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just use gasoline...?​@@snakezdewiggle6084

    • @lmno567
      @lmno567 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      ​@@snakezdewiggle6084 All of the fuel

  • @Chuck59ish
    @Chuck59ish 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    After the Can-Am died, a lot of the McLarens , Lolas and a few Porsches ended up in the SCCA A-Sports Racing division, I can remember going up to the now closed Westwood circuit outside of Vancouver, BC, Canada and watching them thunder around the circuit. I also go to watch Gilles Villeneuve, Bobby Rahal and other future great drivers between 1975 to 1977, before I got posted to West Germany in June 1978.

  • @pisceanogre
    @pisceanogre 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    I had the great pleasure of growing up going to Can-Am races with my mechanical, engineer, father and then later some Formula One for a dozen years Can-Am was truly magical. Amazing. The chaparral fan carswere just awesome I am thoroughly grateful I got to see them.

    • @Elenrai
      @Elenrai 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gotta admit, I envy you, I got formula 1 under the era of OG Schumacher, talk about boring!

  • @tommcglone2867
    @tommcglone2867 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    I love the Chapparal 2E.
    Engineer: How big should the wing be Mr Hall?
    Mr Hall: YES

    • @gedeuchnixan3830
      @gedeuchnixan3830 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also Mr. Hall: I have the biggest.......

  • @ConfusedGamerNZ
    @ConfusedGamerNZ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    At 17:30 you list the dominating McLaren cars. however the M8A never dominated the 69' season, it was the M8B with a high mount wing. The B actually won every single race that season making it the most winning Can-Am car ever.

  • @greigsanderson
    @greigsanderson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    917/30 Porsche was the best by a mile. 1580hp in qualifying. Weighed 800kg. 0-60 in 2.2sec, top speed of 250mph.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And ruined the CANAM series!

    • @douglasburnside
      @douglasburnside 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And today you can buy an air conditioned stereo equipped 4-door passenger sedan for under $90,000 that will match or beat that 2.2 seconds right out of the showroom, electronically limited to a top speed of "only" 200MPH by the manufacturer due to tire concerns. Amazing progress over the years.

    • @philgiglio7922
      @philgiglio7922 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And the frame was inflated with nitrogen gas to stiffen the structure

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@philgiglio7922 Got a link proving that, Phil? I have never heard of that?
      Was the 917/30 a space frame? Old school in 1974!
      The McLarens and Lola's were state-of-the-art monocoques. Structural systems in which loads are carried by the external skin.
      No tubular space frame, even inflated with nitrogen gas, can match the stiffness of a monocoque chassis.
      Not even come close.

    • @Doc_-_Savage_1
      @Doc_-_Savage_1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Those figures for HP are not correct. There are people who KNOW, who were present for dyno testing, that the upper end of the HP of the engine with FULL open turbo was around 2000HP easily. And anyone who thinks Mark never turned it up to full, is delusional, and we witnessed the extreme turbo-lag in person at Mid-Ohio. What should be the most famous quote in motorsports history: "I should be able to smoke the tires all the way around the track." ~ Mark Donahue to Porsche Engineers. The rest, of course is history.

  • @welles28
    @welles28 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Without meaning any disrespect to Jim Hall, it bears mentioning that he had a lot of assistance - both financial and engineering - from Chevrolet. Along similar lines, the Chaparral 2K Indy car shown briefly at the end of this video was designed largely by John Barnard, not Hall (though the latter implies otherwise).

    • @POVShotgun
      @POVShotgun 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      yea I dont imagine him being able to do this himself.

    • @philiptownsend4026
      @philiptownsend4026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      But he must have been a good race car designer to convince a big corporation to invest in him - he brought them a great deal of exposure.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Jin Hall told Barnard that a condition of his employment was that he was to always say that he, Hall, designed the cars.
      John soon quit ~ after designing the groundbreaking Chaparral 2K ground effects Indy car .
      Hall always wanted to take all the credit. Huge ego!

    • @newtonfirefly3584
      @newtonfirefly3584 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Claims without Proof = highly suspect ego ! 😞 [Like Games without Frontiers - more without fears] On this I-Net, specifically this platform anyone can make their baseless claims without fears {Jim will never know nor challenge nor John]
      Good Luck -> Bye Bye

    • @danieleisert8531
      @danieleisert8531 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tested our LR 01 Indy Car there in 1980 with Al Unser Sr. ( Longhorn Racing) Lots of Rattlesnakes everywhere!!

  • @keithstudly6071
    @keithstudly6071 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One thing that you missed is the fact that the McLaren CanAm team was the first to demonstrate aerodynamically generated downforce with the under body. That doesn't show up in pictures but the engineers had pressure ports installed in their test cars and verified negative pressure in testing. They had a bit of celebration and then zipped their mouths about it.
    Porsche learned tourbocharging from Penske and Mark Donahue who had been racing turbocharged engines since 1970. Turbocharging was a thing in Indy racing since 1967 and won most pavement races from 1968 on. When the Penske team was brought on to Porsche's CanAm program they were surprised as the level of Porsche's knowledge and how much they could teach them about making turbocharging work.
    Jim Hall got most of his best ideas from advanced engineering at Chevrolet. They could not race it by company rules but they rolled the test items out the back door for Hall to work with. I would say that he had to do much work getting the concepts to the racetrack but the 2H was the exception as a car that Hall initiated.from scratch. If you wish to learn more then find a copy of "Chevrolet Racing?" By Paul Van Valkenburgh published 1972. Also the Chaparral Indy car was copied off the Lotus 78 design and Hall never would acknowledge that which was one of the reason Al Unser and Hall parted ways after Unser drove the car it's first year. I suppose PR is designed to be self serving but the claims made in the early 1980's by Hall Racing were beyond the normal in the twisting of the truth.

  • @esstee9595
    @esstee9595 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great send up for a once great racing series. I attended a Can-Am race at Mosport in the early 70s and it remains one of the best experiences in my life. Beautiful cars, great drivers, great sounds , fantastic speeds!! When the field roared past....the ground shook! Saw Mark Donohue race the turbo Porsche.. Best looking car...the UOP Shadow!

    • @ostrich67
      @ostrich67 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I saw the Can-Am Reunion at the Monterey Historics and the Shadow was my favorite. It actually won too. I ran down to the paddock to see it up close and one of the mechanics said, "nice thing about leading the whole race is that the car stays clean".

  • @nonsequitor
    @nonsequitor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    "so the suction didn't leak out" - 🙌💪😂 Physics salutes your script sir 🖖

    • @willbeasy2898
      @willbeasy2898 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Luckily we have an atmosphere, otherwise space might leak onto the earth 😆

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@willbeasy2898 IT WOULDNT DARE!!!!

    • @albertfcb6654
      @albertfcb6654 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thats what she said

  • @ralphhallett1684
    @ralphhallett1684 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Fantastic job of covering story. I as a college student was lucky enough to watch can am at Laguna Seca in the late 60s and 70s, it was fantastic!
    Years later I raced my Formula Ford at laguna seca and sears point. A dream come true.

  • @gerarddip
    @gerarddip 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    The chaparral cars and the McLaren M8C are some of my favorite historic race cars of all time

  • @-NOGOODRACING-
    @-NOGOODRACING- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Great video that reminds us when Cars were Cars, these CAN-AM race cars are basically XXL size and power of go karts when the outer shell is removed.

  • @breakawaymotorsports
    @breakawaymotorsports 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Can-Am was the pinnacle motorsports venue. Innovation over rules made it a real mans race series!

  • @coldlakealta4043
    @coldlakealta4043 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    my brother and I spent 3 summers following Can-Am all over NE North America, from our local tracks of Mosport and Mount Tremblant to 8 hour drives to tracks such as Road America. You got incredibly close to these monsters at most tracks, and what you saw and heard was barely contained violence at incredible speeds. Plus, the cars were beautiful, especially McLaren. No other form of racing has gripped me like that in all these years. The pinnacle to us was the Bruce and Denny Show.

  • @allareasindex7984
    @allareasindex7984 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    “Rattlesnake Raceway” was the Chaparral factory’s test loop right on the property. It wasn’t a track open to anyone else.

  • @desmond-hawkins
    @desmond-hawkins 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I love this channel's series on racing/f1/other "with no rules", every single one of these videos is fascinating.

  • @DreadCorazon
    @DreadCorazon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    So you are telling me that Speed Racer (Meteoro) was real 😅

    • @wieldylattice3015
      @wieldylattice3015 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Batmobile was real though, there are drivable versions of multiple Batmobiles from over the years

    • @vintageman91
      @vintageman91 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Speed racer was from the late 60s, around the time of Can-am cars and the time where the sports prototypes reached over 200 mph, it was inspired by these sports.

  • @dannypope1860
    @dannypope1860 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    This is the kind of racing I would actually watch. Modern racing is insanely boring.

    • @drumnbasssakuga9352
      @drumnbasssakuga9352 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think this might be more boring than current racing as whoever has the best engineered car could be out front the entire race.

    • @ardaakbulut8145
      @ardaakbulut8145 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If by modern racing you mean f1 yeah they are boring, but i dont think touring and gt cars are boring to watch at all

    • @krio1267
      @krio1267 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We should return to the Speed Racer era.

    • @PunnamarajVinayakTejas
      @PunnamarajVinayakTejas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think this is better engineering than F1 today, but not better racing.

    • @cantkeepitin
      @cantkeepitin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      WSBK ist good

  • @matthewmiller6517
    @matthewmiller6517 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love this series. First time I got real exposure to it was when my dad got me a DVD called the Can Am the Speed Odyssey. Seeing all these cool cars the rapid changes they went through from season to season with Jim Hall and Chaparral leading the way in outside the box thinking. Shame they didn't have more success. From a financial and safety standpoint I can see why a series like this more than likely will never return since it can get out hand really quickly, but I do wish there was a spiritual successor.

    • @BS84FV
      @BS84FV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think that is where most of the stock footage came from, even though it is attributed to random youtube channels. There was also "the heavies"

  • @DavidNJ1
    @DavidNJ1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The CanAm started as a short season after the F1 season was ending. The last 3 f1 races were in North America (Canada, US, Mexico). They changed the series to last the whole year, creating a conflict with F1. The Tasman series in New Zealand and Australia raced over the winter in the northern hemisphere when F1 wasn't racing. All the races in 1968 were won by F1 drivers. That year Clark won 4 races, Amon 2, and McLaren and Courage one each.
    Jim Hall's operation was tightly coupled with Chevrolet engineering. At this time GM, then the world's largest car manufacturer, had officially left racing. Unofficially, they were engineering the Chaparral race cars. Hall also raced Chevy Camaros in the 1970 Trans Am series.

  • @Shadowboost
    @Shadowboost 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    11:10, there's a hill climb car being made now with 4 S1000RR engines

    • @callummclachlan4771
      @callummclachlan4771 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think that'd be a hell of a lot easier now (but still complicated) thanks to electronics.

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@callummclachlan4771 yeah, I'm very excited to see what it can actually do

  • @davidphillips7412
    @davidphillips7412 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    YES, PLEASE, MORE CAN AM VIDS, LOVE THIS STUFF!!!

  • @tlum4081
    @tlum4081 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    At 15:15 you said the Chaparral 2H was the first to have a composite chassis. The 1st Chaparral 2 had a fiberglass monocoque chassis and only later did he use aluminum (2E I believe and Hap Sharp called it the eyeball shaker). Hall attributed using fiberglass enabled quick repairs for minor accidents.
    Jim Hall and Colin Chapman were the giants of race car innovation in that time period. It's been just evolutionary since.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Putting Jim Hall and Colin Chapman in the same sentence is sacrilege!

    • @grunewaj
      @grunewaj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp To whom do you think it is a sacrilege? I'm a big fan of Chunky but my vote is Hall. So many of his innovations found their way to a Lotus years after Hall had developed them!

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@grunewaj
      Jim Hall did not design his best Chapparals.
      His best cars, like the Indy 2k were designed by Englishman John Barnard
      The 2K was a Formula One-inspired ground effect Indy car designed by Barnard
      For which Jim Hall has always shamelessly accredited himself with designing.
      He was known for taking credit of the work of his employees.
      Read John Barnards biography. "The Perfect Car: The story of John Barnard, Formula 1’s most creative designer.'
      "So many of his innovations found their way to a Lotus years after Hall had developed them!" Name one please. Thanks.

    • @grunewaj
      @grunewaj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wp It is true that Hall had a lot of help (few know how much) from GM. I certainly don't have any inside information on that. I can't say that he was 100% responsible for all the things that went on Chaparrals but given the loyalty of his crew, I doubt he took a lot of credit for anything they did.
      I know Barnard designed the 2K. I don't consider that the best Chaparral. Like you say, it was a copy and possibly improved Lotus 79 built for Indy. I take nothing from Barnard. He was a brilliant designer. For the record, if by best we mean the most successful, that would go to the 2C. It was the first of his revolutionary cars. If we mean best by most influential, that might go to the 2E. Every successful race car had wings after it.
      Chapman was brilliant too. He had probably more major innovations in F1 than anybody till after he died. He also had a propensity to build fragile cars. I think that is a substantial strike against him.
      As for innovations that Hall/Chaparral developed that ended up on Lotuses (or other F1 cars later:
      1. wings (Lotus was about 2 years late on wings and didn't do a very good job with them and almost caused the death of Rindt)
      2. side mounted radiators (used by all F1 teams but years after Chaparral used them)
      3. active suspension (Lotus' was certainly much more advanced and sophisticated and Williams beyond Lotus)
      4. composite monocoque (the 2C was the first car with a composite monocoque at a time when most cars in his class were space frame construction)
      5. modular wheels
      6. flipper (before wings, the 2C had a flipper that increased downforce and added to braking in the turns and was feathered for low drag in the straights - sort of like the current F1 DRS system).
      8. skirts for ground effects

  • @bumpedhishead636
    @bumpedhishead636 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I would love there to be a truly unlimited class of road racing, where any type of technology was allowed, and there is no such thing as "too fast". Professional drivers are just that - professionals. If they want to take the risks, that is their choice. Let the engineers run the show!

  • @321-Gone
    @321-Gone 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    6:35 - That's allot of unsprung weight. Less unsprung weight means faster acting suspension to keep tire in contact with the track over bumps. example - Lotus 72's inboard brakes.

    • @lfsfanart
      @lfsfanart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No, not at all. The force from the wing is only pushing downwards and not adding a ton of mass to the wheeIs.
      It has the same effect on the wheels as normal mounted wing would have, you just bypass the cars suspension and thus the need to make that unwanted stiff.

  • @pisceanogre
    @pisceanogre 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My first Can-Am race when I was six years old was mid Ohio 1971. Welcome to sports car racing kid. It will never be this good ever again.

  • @maszellz
    @maszellz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Can-am is by far the greatest racing series of all time. I was lucky enough to get to see 4 shadow can-am cars race at road america last year.

  • @heartofdawn2341
    @heartofdawn2341 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'd love to see a series where the only rules are "the driver must be safe" and "the budget is capped", and let the engineers go wild

  • @CPowell133
    @CPowell133 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think that footage between 12:36 to 12:51 is footage from the event at Mid-Ohio that year. That looks exactly like the S section that is corner 4, 5, and 6.

  • @tommissouri4871
    @tommissouri4871 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had two friends who ran Can Am. One was Dick Durant and the other Bob Klempel. While the idea of no rules so that the "if you can dream it, you can run it" thought prevails, the cost factors become prohibitive. Eventually, he who has the most money wins. And that is how Porsche won.
    Dick's wife Judy said that like all their racing venues, they were keeping track of the costs at first, then realized it was so insane, they really didn't want to know. Dick had also said that he realized he needed to up his homeowner's insurance because the night he brought the Lola home, he had doubled the value of his home.

  • @sonnymoon6465
    @sonnymoon6465 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I, like many other youngsters, were doing slot car racing at slot car tracks and I remember the one on College Avenue in Berkeley (California) or Oakland maybe, had a man there running the place who built his own. He put weights on the rear wing so when the car was braking it came up and these little model cars running with metal brushes in a slot in the smooth track would just fly ! Even the Chapparal that I had by Matel or whoever made it, was pretty fast. I think there are actually slot car tracks still in operation somewhere in the usa. Thanks Driver for the video. My cousin and I went to Laguna Seca a time or two, not sure what we watched it's been so long. Can Am cars were always my favorite to watch on tv must have been where I saw them.

    • @LeeBross-r7r
      @LeeBross-r7r 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Classic had a slot car named the stinger that used the decelleration of the motor to lift a rear panal on top to serve as an air brake. I grew up in Berkeley and the older kids would go to the slot car track in Berkeley Oakland boarder. My parents would take me to the one at Playland at the Beach which had a huge track. I wish I still had my slot cars.

  • @1969EType
    @1969EType 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My father was a lifelong motorsports fan like me and would tell anyone who would listen that the original CanAm series was hands down the most interesting and exciting form of road racing ever. Thank you for this awesome video!

  • @NCCoder
    @NCCoder 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Chaparrals didn't have automatic transmissions, but had a torque converter in place of a clutch. The thinking was being able to use gearboxes with fewer gears. It is correct that they did not have a clutch pedal.

  • @76629online
    @76629online 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You didn't mention it, but the reason the 2J was banned was because it was sucking debris up off of the track surface and discharging it out the rear of the car through the fan exhausts - creating high velocity projectiles that would hit cars (and drivers) that were too close behind it. It was a legitimate safety concern. So it wasn't banned because it was unfairly faster than any other car.

  • @PaulTheFox1988
    @PaulTheFox1988 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Another interesting tidbit I've heard about the 2j is that it had a 3 speed automatic (at least, I think it was an auto) gearbox to keep the car from pitching back and forth too much when changing gears, which caused it to have crazy long gearing that made its acceleration slower than it could have achieved otherwise
    As an aside I'd love to see a modern can-am, but perhaps with spending limits on the cars to prevent the sport from spiralling out of control with costs and ensure smaller teams have a better chance of competing, and have modern safety standards of course, but other than that keep the spirit of minimal rules from can-am alive
    But alas, even if it did happen, I don't think we'd see quite the same level of creativity and madness from that halcyon era, and people like me pining for a return would be eternally disappointed

    • @johnbutera5805
      @johnbutera5805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It actually had a manual gearbox, but used a torque converter instead of a clutch!! That left the driver able to use his left foot on the wing control pedal!! AWESOME!!! 😃

    • @PaulTheFox1988
      @PaulTheFox1988 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johnbutera5805 it seems the websites claiming it's an automatic need updating as their information is wrong
      You're correct of course that it used a clutchless design with a torque converter, but it seems it's a bit more interesting even than that if I'm understanding it correctly, as it's somewhat of a precursor to the semi-automatic designs seen in modern racecars, which is pretty neat, considering that its contemporaries were still very much wedded to fully manual gearboxes
      Cheers for the comment clarifying in any case! I learned something new about this awesome beast

    • @johnbutera5805
      @johnbutera5805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@PaulTheFox1988 If I remember correctly, it used a torque converter, but it was definitely a manual shifted tranny with dog gears instead of synchros, typical for a racing transmission. Because of the slip in the torque converter, all the driver had to do was slightly back off the throttle to unload the gears, shift as quickly as possible, then BANG!!! back on the gas!! 😃

  • @philiptownsend4026
    @philiptownsend4026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Those were the days when the rule book said what your car must have or do but nothing about what it could not have or not do.
    Then in recent years it has turned around completely and frustrated me greatly when I was helping a friend build a car for the MG Trophy Championship in the UK.
    It was very irritating, I carried many ideas forward from my time as a racer but the modern rules just would not let me innovate. The rules said what the specification of the car must be and what modifications were allowed then ANYTHING WHICH FALLS OUTSIDE THESE STIPULATIONS IS OUTLAWED. It made all the cars the same, there was no place for innovative ideas anymore, no opportunity to experiment with an idea that nobody else had thought of as I used to successfully do. Very disspiriting, it put me right off and I gave up.
    I sympathise with Jim Hall.
    I had a motto - "If you do things the same as everybody else you will never be faster, if you do things differently than anybody else then you may well be faster".
    But if you are slower then it was still a learning point, I knew what didn't work which in itself was an advantage.
    I didn't ever tell anybody what I was doing and what did and did not work for me and could never leave my car unguarded from prying eyes, I even ground all markings off my tyres except the BS AU153 marking which proved that they were UK road legal (but a very soft rubber mix made for me by a remoulder).

  • @slim1940
    @slim1940 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love how comical he did it 23:32

  • @ttystikkrocks1042
    @ttystikkrocks1042 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was an absolutely fascinating video about the ENGINEERING of innovative racing cars rather than politics or personalities. Jim Hall was literally legislated out of the series simply because his thinking was so far outside the box... But wasn't that the original idea of Can Am in the first place? I think it was these kinds of short sighted rulings and not the cars themselves that destroyed the series. Instead of outlawing Jim Hall's creativity because it was "unfair" in spite of anyone bring able to do it, they should have limited displacement to slow the cars down. Imagine what the series might have been like if they limited engine displacement to, say, just one liter? All the "crazy technology" would have suddenly been absolutely critical for gaining speed. Instead, the organizers legislated themselves out of existence, a real shame.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jim Hall was never legislated out of the series.
      He ruined the Series all by himself.
      Rodger the Dodger and Porsche built a car with cubic money!
      That Turbo Panzer Motor probably cost 20X what a racing big block Chevy or Ford cost. Maybe more, we will never know!
      And nobody else could buy the German engine for love of the money.
      But a dozen or so Yank engine builders could build you a competitive 800bhp engine for about US$30,000 out the door.
      The Series would have thrived if they adopted one rule ~ engines are to be based on stock production car blocks.

  • @IdealIdeas100
    @IdealIdeas100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A racing series that actually sounds interesting to watch?! Why is this not a thing now?
    We have decades of new racing knowledge that we could incorporate into a new series

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Instead of wings for downforce, why don't we have an aerodynamic rudder moving across the car and use that to increase cornering force? The suspension is always having to support the same force, and it should be much lower drag when going straight.

  • @walterf6993
    @walterf6993 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Was Can-Am also known as Group 7? I have a book called Group 7 and these cars are in it. Also I got to watch the 917/K Porsche run at Riverside in a Vintage Car race. Riverside closed it's doors with the 917/K still holding the track speed record. Thanks for the presentation, it brings back memories of some fantastic cars.

    • @Marc-zi4vg
      @Marc-zi4vg 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yes group 7 aka "interserie"

  • @nololol
    @nololol 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    wow do a video on the history of automatics in racing thats mindblowing

  • @GubernareMens
    @GubernareMens 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's the 'creative silliness' that makes Can-Am just so human. Something that is seriously lacking in modern autosports.
    Slap a massive elevated wing on? Let's try it!
    Build a petrifying big chonker with 1100 HP? No problem!
    A spaceship on 4 wheels? We'll roll with it man!

  • @michaelsimpson3548
    @michaelsimpson3548 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The series creates the best racecar. The Porsche 917 CanAm. My opinion.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Porsche 917 CanAm and Penske $$$ was the death knell of a great Series.
      Penske's deep pockets ruins every race Series he enters!

  • @SteveWright-oy8ky
    @SteveWright-oy8ky 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This one of the BEST CanAm documentaries I've ever watched ! Great in depth details of the various engineering aspects of several cars ! This gives us the perspective of how the engineers and designers thought and developed these techno road rockets ! A shame that the series was ended because it was the fast track towards brilliant innovations ! Hats off to this site and the subject !

  • @rideepicdriveepic
    @rideepicdriveepic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Imagine what sort of cars we'd be looking on the streets, were there no technical inspection rules 😅

    • @piccalillipit9211
      @piccalillipit9211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There arent in most of Am3ric4

    • @rideepicdriveepic
      @rideepicdriveepic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@piccalillipit9211 there are 195 countries other than america

    • @piccalillipit9211
      @piccalillipit9211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rideepicdriveepicweird reply

    • @rideepicdriveepic
      @rideepicdriveepic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@piccalillipit9211 i find it weird that some think the world revolves around america

    • @piccalillipit9211
      @piccalillipit9211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rideepicdriveepic- I dont - I mostly loath Am3ric4. I was just pointing out a fact that they don't have technical test in most states - which partially accounts for why they unalive in cars 12 X more often than Europeans.
      But what it does not result in - apparently - are lots of amazing cars. They just drive death traps.

  • @BrainDamageComedy
    @BrainDamageComedy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    someone ought to create a competition with no rules. it'd be HUGE

    • @PaperBanjo64
      @PaperBanjo64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Problems are the cars wouldn't be humanly possible to drive and wost cost so much that the series would cease to exist either from lawsuits or teams running out of money

    • @BrainDamageComedy
      @BrainDamageComedy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PaperBanjo64 with the right funding and the correct attitude it would be workable and would make BIG money and be the no.1 motorsport. imo.

  • @Blenzo480
    @Blenzo480 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The 917 did not kill can am. The 1973 oil crisis, regulations and a lack of a sponsor for the prize money did.

  • @MaxRehm-t8o
    @MaxRehm-t8o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Some 1960s-level safety measures also had to be met..."
    Porsche: *Savage Patrick face*
    ...What? Its just a spacefr- OH MY GOD! WHY!?

  • @xsniperprox1
    @xsniperprox1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    The closest you can get to seeing newer innovations and designs for cars or just something new and insane on cars is Time Attack and Hill climbs, always makes for some of the most entertaining watch even though they're just trying to get a better time.

    • @RaYaVo
      @RaYaVo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Isn't that exactly what racing is at its core? How can we go even faster?

    • @xsniperprox1
      @xsniperprox1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@RaYaVo it was until rule books decided cars were going too fast and drivers were complaining they couldnt keep up with other drivers, blah blah blah. this is why i hate mainstream racing, its literally just clones racing eachother.

    • @newtonfirefly3584
      @newtonfirefly3584 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@xsniperprox1 Your points and ideas including these racing formats still have more allowed, allowance, range, use with variations.
      however this is not actually innovation, development as those that were allowed previously within Indy, F1, also Stock Car, then Can-Am series
      This narrator claims some aspects which led to the demise of Can-Am, but actually once they allowed protests with, form any team about any other vehicle, development, innovation, this certainly violates the intention of the Can-Am Series, thus to its demise as did within all other racing series worldwide.
      Perhaps the only place that innovation, development still exists is within the speed racing on the flats in the desert, though there are certainly many classes each with their rules, restrictions along with unlimited. Maybe some among the 1/2 mile races on airstrips have some unique development, but so far do not have actual innovation either.
      Certainly actual engineers as Jim Hall and others were stifled as were those like Zora Arkus-Duntov, Larry Shinoda, Delorean, Shelby, Cosworth, etc. which includes those within Lotus, McLaren, Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
      All The Best, Sincerely

    • @philgiglio7922
      @philgiglio7922 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pikes Peak is a good example of same

    • @LagmasterB
      @LagmasterB 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is actually pretty accurate. I feel like Rally Racing is fairly open. 600hp Toyota Yaris seems pretty much engineering over regulations

  • @williampartridge8211
    @williampartridge8211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    We need more videos on Can Am

  • @stevenlitkey9354
    @stevenlitkey9354 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    What happens when there are “no rules” ?? Excitement, innovation, men pushing themselves and the envelope !!! Today you have rule strangled racing of all venues where the car has become secondary at best and the focus has turned to cookie cutter drivers, and sponsors names shoved down our throats over and over. Today’s Motorsports are dying and rightly so !! Nothing but a giant bore 👎🏼👎🏼

  • @Aventador100
    @Aventador100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video! Love the series and I would love to see you talk about McLarens, Shadows and Lolas too, your videos are always so interesting and I am learning something new every time!

  • @jimmccauley9099
    @jimmccauley9099 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Born in 57, grew up watching Can-am and Trans-am. Penske Camaros and Halls Chaparrals were my favorites. Started drag racing in 73 with a 69 Z/28 and l'm still building my own 302s. No small block has that sound and nothing will ever sound as powerful as a big block chevy in a Can-am car at full song. Just thinking about it gives me chills. Shame most new gearheads will never know.

  • @slwsnowman4038
    @slwsnowman4038 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @18:17 so many thicc memes running through my head. 🤣 The contact patch is like half the width of the car!
    I love CanAm...
    Also, you need to look at the Shadows if you think the 917 is scary...the 917 looks like a Volvo by comparison to a Shadow.

    • @RobertKarlBerta
      @RobertKarlBerta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am 77 years olf and lived through the generation of CanAm cars that were the most incredible cars. I made my annual trip to Laguna Seca for the races when CanAm was in its prime. So many memories of these wild engineering experiments. I remember seeing Halls Vacum Cleaner car leading the entire race until on the last lap a $5 bearing stopped their win. That was an amazing car. I now live in Michigan and there is a company locally I have toured that has a huge number of these CanAm cars stored for maintenance for the owners that take them to vintage race events. I saw that 4 snow mobile engjin car run on it first year out. Not successful but interesting. I also saw the UOP Shadow which were even crazier and scary driver safety designs at first....and those first cars weren't very good but later years and today they remain as one of the fastest cars. I also remember one car that used a drag boat engine complete with a GMC blower and the boat zoomy headers still in place. All those famous drivers were cool also but sadly many never survived this crazy and dangerous era of motor sport. When Porsche brought its 917 over that was the end of the series..... it is hard too compete with the deep pockets of those big companies. I remember that 917 but frankly they were moving death machines. When you have an aluminum roold cage rather than steel for lightness..... mmmm.... no thank you. I also remember the Ferrari and Alfa Romeo cars they brought over from Europe for testing. They were smaller engines but who could forget the screams of those cars? Being an ALFA Romeo owner and a past SCCA racer, I loved the "music" of that screaming ALFA T33 engine. You could hear it all the way at the other side of the track. I love that owners still take them to vintage car events and you can see them run like the old days.

  • @ShawnStafford-1978
    @ShawnStafford-1978 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is awesome with the oldschool racecar version and design's. Really ahead of time and technology, and still used today different

  • @donaldfedosiuk1638
    @donaldfedosiuk1638 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got to see a few CanAm races at Watkins Glen and Ste Jovite and never forgot them. This was a brilliant video -- thank you!

  • @laurenmp7486
    @laurenmp7486 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I looked up the engines used in the Mac's IT Special and they made 110 hp, so four of them is a total of 440 and given what the engines in the other cars produced, it was just underpowered. Which is a wild thing to say about a car from 1970 with 440 horsepower. Be interesting to see what it could've done if it actually had enough power to be competitive.

    • @D3nn1s
      @D3nn1s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My guess would be way too heavy too, isnt it? Always much more efficient to have one big volume enclosed than having 4 smaller ones. So lots of weight from the 4 engines with not that much power

  • @davidlloyd-jones9603
    @davidlloyd-jones9603 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 917 was the most spectacular sports rating car I ever saw. In 1970 as a 17 year old kid, two motor Journalists in a Honda N600 test car took me to Brands Hatch for the BOAC 500 mile race. The weather was atrocious and at the end of the first lap we had to run for cover as a black Lola T70 was spinning towards us as we (journalists) were just leaving the starting line. But to watch Pedro Rodriguez and Leo Kinnunen lap after lap hurtling down the main straight with the car briefly wiggling every time they shifted from 3rd to 4th was an amazing sight. At that time Rodriguez was the world's best driver in the wet. Needless to say they won. The car really was revolution and over time a number of drivers acquired the skill to handle them successfully.

  • @MicaAvali
    @MicaAvali 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve seen and felt these cars in action at Silverstone Classic. It is a thunderous spectacle. Can seriously recommend the whole event

  • @AKF-ru4qn
    @AKF-ru4qn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not to nit pick but I can guarantee that picture of "Orange County Speedway" in Chapel Hill, North Carolina is not where the Mac IT Special was tested. Almost certain that "Orange County Speedway" would've been at the Fairgrounds in Orange County, California in the city of Costa Mesa. It would've been there or at the now defunct Orange County International Raceway in Irvine, California. (Both are/were located in Orange County, California and about 15 minutes apart from each other. These tracks were and Orange County is about 350 miles south of Laguna Seca or about 50 miles west of the former Riverside International Raceway, and about 130 miles Southwest of Willow Springs)

  • @SimonWorlds
    @SimonWorlds 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My Boss and good friend drove the Mclaren Can-Am M8E here in Australia and it still holds the unofficial lap record at our local track.
    The Porsche 917/30 was amazing too, it had a flat 12, aircooled, only 2 valves per cylinder and had an air pressure gauge fitted to the chassis with a gas inside, if the chassis developed a crack, you would see the gauge pressure fall off to let you know.
    I love Can-Am too, amazing stuff.

  • @neoclassic09
    @neoclassic09 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing that I've seen in recent biomimicry engineering that hasn't seemed to get into hardly any modern car design is the "nubs" set on the front of any leading edge. The idea comes from how the humpback whale's fins are shaped. They have a lot of bumps on the front, and it's been found to drastically reduce cavitation and turbulence going over and settling behind the wing/fin. I've seen it on a handful of new aircraft ideas on wings and props, but even there it still seems woefully unused.
    (I'm sure there are plenty of videos about it on TH-cam for anyone who is interested in the concept)
    Biomimicry is the future, as many know. F1 and other types of racing has only slightly considered it, and the rules are probably to blame for lack of innovation.
    It's actually very sad because there is a trickle down effect from pro racing into regular car design, but the innovation has been stymied so much these days where we're left with every car being extremely similar. At least to me it seems like letting the engineers and designers have free reign to innovate would make racing sports more interesting, but even more importantly it would advance the tech and understanding and solutions to so many things that still plague the automobile industry.

  • @JarrettDorough
    @JarrettDorough 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was born in 73 and all the toy cars I had were of Can-Am cars. While I never got to watch one of their races, the series did impact my youth. What a magnificent era of motorsports.

  • @GT7-wonky
    @GT7-wonky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so glad the somewhat neglected & forgotten CAN-AM series inspired you to make this video!
    TOP-SHELF racing history. Many thanks!

  • @bettyswallocks6411
    @bettyswallocks6411 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    F1 had one dalliance with negative-pressure fans (well, one fan) with the Brabham BT46 ‘fan car’. Pressure from other teams made sure the affair was short. The principle complaint was that the huge rear fan picked up any debris from the track and hurled it at high speed at any following car.

  • @RazingthenRaising
    @RazingthenRaising 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Porsche didn't actually kill Can-Am. The writing was already on the wall.
    But what really was the final nail was the sponsor leaving, which meant that winning the championship (and races leading up to that?) was no longer a big money earning endeavor. So the money left when the money left, and no one came back.

  • @alexandrelima6015
    @alexandrelima6015 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am sure teenager Adrian Newey was constantly feeding himself with those great ideas back in the late 60s

  • @DrVaticinator
    @DrVaticinator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m 60 and grew up watching this series at Mid-Ohio and Road America . Met Mark Donahue after he won Mid-Ohio in the 917-30, he was very nice, his mother was there as well.

  • @AndyS-kv2jh
    @AndyS-kv2jh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There’s a few Can Am cars in Forza Motorsport. I just happened to be playing around with Chaparral 2E when this video dropped. I love doing Free Races at The Nürburgring with the Can Am cars.

  • @FakeItalianoII
    @FakeItalianoII 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had the opportunity to see the Can-Am cars and the Chaparrals a few years ago at Laguna Seca.
    Jim Hall is an unspoken of hero of motor racing, a very creative and innovative mind.!!
    All these are indeed amazing cars!!

  • @jimiverson3085
    @jimiverson3085 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mark Donohue said the goal with the 917 turbos was to have enough power to lay rubber all the way from one corner to the next.

  • @ImInLoveWithBulla
    @ImInLoveWithBulla 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve been seeing a lot of videos on Can Am lately. I’ve always assumed that people were just as familiar with these beasts as they were with F1 or Le Mans. Are a lot of people only just now discovering this?

  • @appliedengineering4001
    @appliedengineering4001 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My dad was a big fan of these races. He use to tell that this was the only car race were you pay more attention to the losers then you did the winners. Because you always knew that today's losers were gonna be tomorrow's winners. These races were more like a R&D lab then a race.

  • @johnbutera5805
    @johnbutera5805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Two things... I LOOOOVE all of those cars, especially the Chaparral s, but how could you overlook the Shadow?? Or the Howmet TX?? Secondly... can you IMAGINE the results if Jim Hall teamed up with Smokey Yunick to build a car???!!!! WOW!!!! 😮

  • @rpmhart
    @rpmhart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Apparently Bruce McLaren was killed testing one of the first McLaren wing cars when a support failed and caused the wing to positive lift when entering a downhill corner. A great loss to racing, but I'm thankful his name lives on. But another thing: it was a Can-Am McLaren that was the first car to go 0-100mph and back to zero in under ten seconds. Greatest race I ever saw was the Mid-Ohio Can-Am in 1969. Won by Hulme (I'm pretty sure) over Revson in the other Mac, but we were sitting on the access road and I got close-up pictures of the 2H, the pre-turbo Porsche 908-based car and the Ferrari V-12 driven by Scarfiotti (I think).

  • @scottbruner9266
    @scottbruner9266 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I work at a boat dealership. One of the 4 brands we sell is Chaparral. The logo is the same. I’m guessing it’s the same company

  • @KidarWolf
    @KidarWolf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had heard of Shadow, and Chapparal, but I grew up in a motor racing family, with my father having once long before I was born, worked for John Surtees, among many other famous names. I actually race in a Can Am series regularly in slot car racing, where my preferred car is a Lola on a metal chassis, so this is a fun video to watch and learn more about the wild and outlandish things the Can Am manufacturers and teams tried in their pursuits of victory.

  • @JohnEaganMedia
    @JohnEaganMedia 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good video, nice job. I'm an old guy in his sixties; my childhood and the decade of the sixties are essentially the same time period. I was fascinated by cars as a boy, becoming interested in racing in the mid sixties. So the Can Am series got my attention! I thought it was fantastic, with the awesome cars (too bad the word is overused), and the attraction to the series of the top international drivers of the time.
    With that, I am stunned seeing the story of the "Mac's IT Special". Aside from being a fantastically unique design, in all the years since my youth and the prime of Can Am, this is the first I can remember ever seeing or knowing anything at all about that car! This is astonishing... not just the car itself, but the fact that in a half century or so, I have never known of this!
    Of course, that could be a whole weird story, that car. Some things are obvious, like, for one example, how do you deal with trying to somehow synchronize all four engines? Imagine trying to drive a racing car when, at any throttle position, you have an engine attached to each wheel with all four turning at different slightly RPM. Yow!
    Jim Hall was a boyhood hero, with the story of being an American driver who also designed and built his cars, and then, making those engineering marvels, every step of the way. I was lucky to actually meet him briefly in the paddock after the 1995 CART Cleveland race, finding myself standing face to face with the man himself, just the two of us. Sadly, a real regret, I missed a chance to actually talk a bit, for at least a minute or two, for the simple reason that, finding myself three feet away from him face to face, my mind was swirling with so many things that I kind of stupidly blanked out about what to say, and I just got him to scrawl his name on something (especially stupid, in my mind afterward, as I think autographs are kind of silly and pointless... I have no idea if I still have that somewhere).
    One minor thing- as there was talk in the video about a car running one time at Laguna Seca (around 12:30), we see old footage of Mid-Ohio in olden days, not Laguna Seca. That was cool, anyway. It's interesting to see that, an old look at what is a favorite track, the closest major road course in my part of the world. (For a bit of perspective for an Englishman, a place I kind of regard as something like the Brands Hatch of America, a great circuit that's kind of like someone laid out a racing track in a park.)

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jim Hall did NOT design his cars. He just took the credit for the cars designed by his employees.

  • @Eduardo_Espinoza
    @Eduardo_Espinoza 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for finally pointing out McLaren's hypocrisy about banning the fan car then making his own, now everyone thinks he invented it!

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bovine excrement. Bruce never made a fan car.
      Prove to us that he did! Betcha can't Eduaardo!

  • @craigewing3054
    @craigewing3054 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nicely done! At Canepa Motorsports Mark Donohue is quoted saying “the 917-10 is the only car I have ever driven that will spin the tires at 200 mph”

  • @chopperbristow
    @chopperbristow 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    NZ had in the 80s a series call Sports Sedans, or All commers. Almost no rules. If they completed 10 laps it was a miracle

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Corvette rear engined Renault Dauphine!

  • @boatman222345
    @boatman222345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jim Hall's cars were simply incredible! I was at Bridgehampton in the late 1960s and witnessed his Chaparall wipe out the competition. The previous lap record had been held by a Ferrari fielded by NART and it was something like 1:46. Jim Hall cut something like 6 seconds off that lap time on his first timed qualifying lap. I will never forget seeing he and his fellow driver Hap Sharp roar down the main straight before breaking at the last second for the first downhill turn! Simply an awesome car, way ahead of its time!

  • @RobertKarlBerta
    @RobertKarlBerta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I now live in Michigan and 77 years old but went to all the CanAm races when I lived in California at Laguna SECA starting in 60s until the unlimited series stopped. Here in Michigan there is a company that stores and maintains a large number of those old CanAm cars. I have been there and is is magical. They have the entire series of the UOP Shadows and those were amazing cars although the very first ones were flops.....and must have been very scary to drive. Later they were very successful and today remain as one of the fastest cars of those generations.people still own and take those cars to vintage race car events and I enjoy seeing them racing around again.

  • @lloydevans2900
    @lloydevans2900 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a little surprised that the gas turbine powered "whooshmobile" didn't make this list of crazy cars. I first read about it in a book called "motor racing's strangest races", written by Geoff Tibballs. It was actually one of the first cars to be powered by a gas turbine engine, pre-dating the "Chrysler Turbine" car by a year. The performance outstripped every other car it raced against by such a high margin that the use of gas turbine engines for racing was banned only a year after the whooshmobile first raced.