The Dream 65 acts and feels EXACTLY like the real Deluxe 65 amp. You are comparing it with a Kemper capture of a very clean amp that doesn’t ever get any dirtier because when the amp was captured it wasn’t on the edge of breakup. This is complete user error… it’s just like the real world scenario complaining that the Deluxe Reverb gets dirty around 3 to 4 and the Twin Reverb stays clean forever and takes your head off. If you want a clean amp buy a Twin Reverb if you want an amp that starts breaking up at 3 to 4 then gets dirtier but no louder buy a Deluxe. Your problem is not the pedal but your lack of understanding of how gain works. The worst part is all the people that were misinformed by this or even worse the ones that agreed with you.
Didn't have this problem. If you dial volume below the edge of breakup it gives out plenty of headroom just like a DR played in 3. Works well with pedals as well.
It is true that you have to put the " volume" almost down completely to get a clean sound. I also think it is suppose to represent only the vibrato channel wich has a slightly different sound then the pure channel. This has it's consequences. But I'm not sure if it is that much of a problem for dirt pedals compared to other ampsims. Every ampsim has it's downsides. This one really has a good sound. But thank you for opening this interesting discussion. A comparison with iridium and Acs1 would be more interesting then with the helix for me. As a second video ?
Totally agree….I am trying to find out a solution cause it’s very a nice sounding pedals but it’s unuseful as subtitute of an amp after a pedalboard. I opened a ticket with no success…
Do you expect a ticket opened to complain about a product not living up to you expectations will get answered? If you're not happy with the pedal, return it.
I agree with you : the headroom of this box is not the same as the real amp and it's something you have to deal with when you put pedals in front of it
…I'm having difficulty figuring out what exactly the issue is here. Initially it sounded like you were saying that the 65's input didn't have enough headroom and was being pushed into overdrive too easily. Then it sounded like you were saying that you couldn't hear whatever gain pedal you ran into the front of the 65 (in this case a BB Preamp) because the clean signal from the 65 was layering over it. These are two very different things, but with that said I'd be willing to wager that it's pilot error and not the 65 itself. It sounds like there's a setting somewhere that needs to be adjusted. If it really is a feature and not a bug, you could put a compressor or EQ before it to limit the input signal. If it actually is just how the circuit is designed, it's not very well thought out.
@@yuri-guitaristsee if there's a "buffered/true-bypass" setting. If there, is set it to buffered. You could try putting a buffer between the boost/overdrive and the 65 and see if that fixes it. People think it doesn't matter if it's not buffered if the pedal going into it is on, but that's not always the case. Regardless it's one of the trouble-shooting steps you want to try for pedals, like when you have a problem with your mobile device and the first answer any tech support gives you is a factory wipe, regardless of the issue.
I think UA were so eager to get the real driven tone from the DR that they forget the reason why so many use this amp. I've got the same problem. I can play anything from jazz, pop, rock to metal with a real DR using the right pedals, but this pedal makes it really difficult.
Well that's too bad. Those UA pedals are not cheap and should be flawless with lots of headroom. But I think it also depends on the pedals you run before it and how you got those dialed in.
The BB Preamp has a REALLY high output. It can make any amp-pedal buckle. Your were also hitting it with a humbucker to exaggerate the problem even more. Poor example. Also, check your power. If your board is starving with power, the headroom goes way down. Looks like you're using a Zuma so you should be fine, but its worth mentioning.
My 68 custom deluxe reverb goes into breakup at a volume of about 3 and a half. I haven't had this issue with the dream 65. It takes my distortions really well. Strange!
just put more volume on the BB. I use the dream on more or less the same amount of gain and have absolutely zero problem of overdrives not being loud enough.
You are comparing two profilers - UA and Kemper -, which does not say anything about the UA compared to the amp they profiled. I have both UA and Fender Reverb Deluxe and there is a difference between them, but the UA is acceptable for use with a Gibson Les Paul. With a Fender strat, the real amp is better, cause the real tubes sound better and warmer.
Why not just run the pedal into an already broken up amp? That's the way 90% of ppl run their overdrive anyway- they set the amp until it's starting to breakup- and then hit it with an overdrive. Then it's not a clean signal that is blending into your overdrive tone- it's a dirty signal that's being blended in- sounds better to me.
@@yuri-guitarist Jesus man- don't be so literal- I just meant dial up some dirt on the UAFX pedal- then hit it with an OD. I run the UAFX Lion 68 and just like a real amp, if I turn it up enough- it breaks up. I assume the Dream would as well. That way you're not running the OD into a clean amp sim, you're running it into an already broken up amp sim.
I had the Dream and Ruby and both had less headroom than the Iridium. They didn't sound good with OD/boost pedals in front even with gain at the lowest setting.
@@Sagerydian Well, in MY "professional opinion": know that the BB preamp has a REALLy high output would be a start. It can make any amp-pedal buckle. Also, testing with a single-coil as well as the humbucker would put everything into more and better context. The creator of this video seems to have some issues with basic understanding of gain-staging. That being said, I wish the Dream would have some more headroom too. I think this is by design though, as UA has modeled a specific 65 Deluxe and the intention is for the speaker-emulation to provide the desired headroom. Does it work? It's decent, though I do feel that this pedal works best with single-coils.
The Dream 65 acts and feels EXACTLY like the real Deluxe 65 amp. You are comparing it with a Kemper capture of a very clean amp that doesn’t ever get any dirtier because when the amp was captured it wasn’t on the edge of breakup. This is complete user error… it’s just like the real world scenario complaining that the Deluxe Reverb gets dirty around 3 to 4 and the Twin Reverb stays clean forever and takes your head off. If you want a clean amp buy a Twin Reverb if you want an amp that starts breaking up at 3 to 4 then gets dirtier but no louder buy a Deluxe. Your problem is not the pedal but your lack of understanding of how gain works. The worst part is all the people that were misinformed by this or even worse the ones that agreed with you.
Didn't have this problem. If you dial volume below the edge of breakup it gives out plenty of headroom just like a DR played in 3. Works well with pedals as well.
You have a bad dream 65 or you’re not connected correctly between the dream and your interface
It’s setting thingy bro, once you understand it, it’s sorted
good to know cuz i literally ordered one yesterday based on months of rave reviews!
It is true that you have to put the " volume" almost down completely to get a clean sound. I also think it is suppose to represent only the vibrato channel wich has a slightly different sound then the pure channel. This has it's consequences. But I'm not sure if it is that much of a problem for dirt pedals compared to other ampsims. Every ampsim has it's downsides. This one really has a good sound. But thank you for opening this interesting discussion. A comparison with iridium and Acs1 would be more interesting then with the helix for me. As a second video ?
Has anyone else had this issue? I have not found any similar video with this error.
Totally agree….I am trying to find out a solution cause it’s very a nice sounding pedals but it’s unuseful as subtitute of an amp after a pedalboard. I opened a ticket with no success…
Do you expect a ticket opened to complain about a product not living up to you expectations will get answered? If you're not happy with the pedal, return it.
No, It’s a digital pedal based on a software…maybe they could fix the gain behaviour…
Anyway…already returned
I agree with you : the headroom of this box is not the same as the real amp and it's something you have to deal with when you put pedals in front of it
…I'm having difficulty figuring out what exactly the issue is here. Initially it sounded like you were saying that the 65's input didn't have enough headroom and was being pushed into overdrive too easily. Then it sounded like you were saying that you couldn't hear whatever gain pedal you ran into the front of the 65 (in this case a BB Preamp) because the clean signal from the 65 was layering over it. These are two very different things, but with that said I'd be willing to wager that it's pilot error and not the 65 itself. It sounds like there's a setting somewhere that needs to be adjusted.
If it really is a feature and not a bug, you could put a compressor or EQ before it to limit the input signal. If it actually is just how the circuit is designed, it's not very well thought out.
Yep that’s exactly it, the input signal is way too low and there is no way I could augment it without distorting
@@yuri-guitaristsee if there's a "buffered/true-bypass" setting. If there, is set it to buffered. You could try putting a buffer between the boost/overdrive and the 65 and see if that fixes it. People think it doesn't matter if it's not buffered if the pedal going into it is on, but that's not always the case.
Regardless it's one of the trouble-shooting steps you want to try for pedals, like when you have a problem with your mobile device and the first answer any tech support gives you is a factory wipe, regardless of the issue.
hmmmmmm I don't think this is true.
A little tough to hear what you say over the guitar playing.
I think UA were so eager to get the real driven tone from the DR that they forget the reason why so many use this amp. I've got the same problem. I can play anything from jazz, pop, rock to metal with a real DR using the right pedals, but this pedal makes it really difficult.
Well that's too bad. Those UA pedals are not cheap and should be flawless with lots of headroom. But I think it also depends on the pedals you run before it and how you got those dialed in.
The BB Preamp has a REALLY high output. It can make any amp-pedal buckle. Your were also hitting it with a humbucker to exaggerate the problem even more. Poor example. Also, check your power. If your board is starving with power, the headroom goes way down. Looks like you're using a Zuma so you should be fine, but its worth mentioning.
My 68 custom deluxe reverb goes into breakup at a volume of about 3 and a half. I haven't had this issue with the dream 65. It takes my distortions really well. Strange!
Agree.
just put more volume on the BB. I use the dream on more or less the same amount of gain and have absolutely zero problem of overdrives not being loud enough.
You are comparing two profilers - UA and Kemper -, which does not say anything about the UA compared to the amp they profiled. I have both UA and Fender Reverb Deluxe and there is a difference between them, but the UA is acceptable for use with a Gibson Les Paul. With a Fender strat, the real amp is better, cause the real tubes sound better and warmer.
Strange. I don't have this problem at all.
Best clean pedal platform amp in a box is the Walrus Audio ACS-1, IMHO.
Why not just run the pedal into an already broken up amp? That's the way 90% of ppl run their overdrive anyway- they set the amp until it's starting to breakup- and then hit it with an overdrive. Then it's not a clean signal that is blending into your overdrive tone- it's a dirty signal that's being blended in- sounds better to me.
Is Uafx Dream supposed to be run into an amp? It already a speaker sim and thru the amp will sound horrible. It’s a direct solution, afaik
@@yuri-guitarist Jesus man- don't be so literal- I just meant dial up some dirt on the UAFX pedal- then hit it with an OD. I run the UAFX Lion 68 and just like a real amp, if I turn it up enough- it breaks up. I assume the Dream would as well. That way you're not running the OD into a clean amp sim, you're running it into an already broken up amp sim.
User error brother…
Thi accurate. I brought mine back fornthat very reason. Had great tones though. I have a fender tone master pro now. No such problems. But expensive.
Tnx
I had the Dream and Ruby and both had less headroom than the Iridium. They didn't sound good with OD/boost pedals in front even with gain at the lowest setting.
I concur. My Ruby had less headroom and it sounded like crap going through Scarlet into my DAW. Go figure…
Same here…and the problem get worst with humbucker. I opened a ticket with no answer
Have you updated the firmware?
Understand the user settings you won’t face this issue
So what should he do, in your professional opinion?
@@Sagerydian Well, in MY "professional opinion": know that the BB preamp has a REALLy high output would be a start. It can make any amp-pedal buckle. Also, testing with a single-coil as well as the humbucker would put everything into more and better context. The creator of this video seems to have some issues with basic understanding of gain-staging.
That being said, I wish the Dream would have some more headroom too. I think this is by design though, as UA has modeled a specific 65 Deluxe and the intention is for the speaker-emulation to provide the desired headroom. Does it work? It's decent, though I do feel that this pedal works best with single-coils.