@@tigertoo01 Hardly a negative. For ICE vehicles, you have to have oil changes at 5k miles (or whatever is recommended) or risk voiding your engine warranty. It's actually pretty dumb if VW doesn't require servicing at certain use intervals.. (What if I drive 50k kms per year...first servicing after 100k? That make sense?)
I would like to see one day comparison of Kia EV9, VW id Buzz as the familiest from each Brand ;) and than put it against R1S from Rivian on european soil. As always great content, thanks
I also prefer the Enyaq over the id4 but prefer the EV6 to both. And for music lover like me the optional Meridian Sound system in EV6 is apparently very very good. In fact I view the EV6 as a cut price version of the Jaguar i-Pace with a better look, much faster charging capability (which is really a let down on the Jaguar) and the same Meridian sound system. The only advantage left to the Jaguar over all the overs is it’s off-road capabilities…which I really do not need but I could understand that for some people it could be an advantage
Let's see if we will see this year the "model q or model 2" with a realistic range of 250 280 miles realistic range and new battery pack with a guarantee of 12 years or 250.000 miles and battery capacity 75 per cent after those miles! And we need a cheaper evs less than 25.000 pounds with 280 realistic miles even less even 20.000 pounds!!! And also we need real green energy and power and batteries recycling more than 95 per cent and able to be used for at least 3 or 4 more times,! Let's hope tesla or other companies are able to facilitate that in 2023 or 2024!!
Over on Carwow, they did a max range test on a bunch of EVs. Not all had the same capacity battery, but the efficiencies made interesting reading - EV6 got 3.7m/kWh, but of the ID.4 clones the best was the Enyaq with 3.4, the Audi getting only 3.2. They reckoned the aero played a big part in their test, but noted that Kia use different battery management systems to Hyundai, (as well as being more slippery), which gave it a better efficiency result than the Ioniq 5 Matt in the EV6 conked out just round the corner from my house in that video, which made it all the more interesting to watch!
I was about to say the same Enyaq, Kia Niro-e, Ford Mustang Mach-e, Tesla Y are a better rivals for iD.4 crossover.. The EV6 should be compared on full electric hatch segment..( Ioniq 5, Tesla 3, iD3, Nissan Leaf) -They are All electrics but Different size classes..
Until you drive it in the winter. Then the best charging EV will turn into the worst. Lithium polymer batteries are the worst for colder climates. This is not an issue he you can pre heat the battery while driving to the charging station. Which you cant in the EV 6. Only while charging the pre heating is available. That means before charging the ice cold battery has to be heated and then you can start charging.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 First of all before testing the EV6 in December 2 weeks ago, i have driven a while back 2 models of full electric Kia : electric-Soul & e-Niro but all of them seem to have issues pre-heating in the winter, second it also depends of the optional features selected on the car because it can have some new optional features that are not available on all markets or on all versions unless are specifically ordered & pre-payed in advance from the dealer only then all optional features will be on the owner car, and 3rd most of the issues in this discussion are caused by the dreadfully unreliable and quirky Kia Connect/UVO App & system. They both (and even the dealer) seem to be heavily relying on information from the Kia app. I’ve used the UVO app for about a full year on previously mentioned Kia models. It is widely accepted to be totally unreliable. The cars are great but the apps very much less so. The Kia app is still very useful but you have to get to know it’s foibles and accept it frequently returns incorrect status. Repeated refreshes of the app will sometimes eventually correct the status reports but i didn't have lot's of time with the EV6 since is still too fresh just about released in Europe specially in my area.. Hopefully any of these issues will be sorted & gone with software up-dates as well as with the new types of batteries with Aluminum ion-cells and graphene +Na sulphure mixtures which ar last-longer between charges & charge faster.. But i guess we will see what is next.
The EV6, I have one in Sweden. The four wheel drive which feels safer in snowy conditions. I really don’t understand Ginnys’ argument that you should drive in eco mode to be able to choose your degeneration, it works in any mode.
@@vincentrobinet2713 it‘s not, the design of the rear and its ducktale actually keeps dirt away perfectly, i think you can see it quite well in björn nylands videos
@@vincentrobinet2713 One of my concerns as well, but surprisingly not, it works really well without a wiper. But there are two concerns, the pre heating of the cabin don’t work and the over the air software updates is not in place yet. I expect updates during 2022.
Took my Kia e-Niro in for some minor warranty work last week, my dealer in Niort had an EV6 in the showroom powering the Christmas tree lights. So V2T (vehicle to tree) then. 😊
I had the Skoda Enyaq for 12 weeks before the battery died. They wanted me to wait for another 12 weeks for it to be ‘looked at’ in one of their two specialist battery centres. This request came with no guarantees as to when it might actually be fixed and back with me. I now have an EV6 on order, due March 22. Let’s hope that the Kia last longer than the Skoda!
@@mattmurdoch4345 the EV6 is a very reliable, comfortable and quick car. I’ve done just over 30k miles in it and it never had any real issues. I replace the rear tyres at around 26k which is more than I’d get from previous RWD cars. If you not bought one yet, definitely add the heat pump, I didn’t and that was a mistake.
Don’t forget Kia’s 7 year warranty - I think you chaps mistakingly confirmed it as five years in one of your previous videos. There is a reason why EV6 not discounted like id4. Also VW, drum brakes on rear?! What year is this lol
Drum brakes are there for a reason. I drive a VW Passat GTE and my back disc brakes gets rusted because I don’t brake enough because of the regenerative braking. Drum brakes won’t rust
@@alexandergoldman drums are complete sealed unit. Cheap to replace. Long lasting. Regen can be relied on more so breaks don’t need to be disc. Breaking power seems ok in id3.
We chose the ID4. Had it for three weeks. Very happy with how it performs both in and around town and on motorways. Makes driving a lot more comfortable, safer and easier. We charge on the streets. So far so good.
Kia has V2L and it's highly efficient so it's the one I'd have. Shame about the price tags on all of them. How will they age and how will the manufacturers support ageing tech out of warranty?
VW will bring V2L/V2H on their large battery MEB cars during this spring. That said, the EV6 is far more interesting than the id4 to me as well. For more room though, the sofa sibling does look interesting (though I am no SUV fan...)
Sadly the ID4 accelerates at the same 0-60 as the new Honda Jazz... Which is a little slow. I like the additional space in the boot... But if you want space the Skoda wins & is cheaper! So I would go for the EV6.
For me the Kia wins hands down. I like the looks of both cars but I think the faster charging ability, all be it on the few 350 kwh charge points and the better range and driving Dynamics is the clincher. I drive a Kia Nero 4+ and really like it but the EV6 is in another league. The other thing that still sticks in my mind is Dieselgate and the shameful behaviour of VW. Who cared little about the poisonous emissions there cars were illegally covering up.
I agree, trust is important, I wouldn't be surprised to see battery longevity problems with the VW range. Battery Life has lost 10% battery capacity in only a year with his ID3. He blames it on DC fast charging but this is where battery quality and charging speed management comes into play. Cars that coldgate do so for a reason.
My brother and I both got in the Kia the other day after we just been in an ID 4 and the ID 4 clearly had a much more refined interior more cool features! The Kia just looked cheap looking plastic everywhere. All of seats were not comfortable and everything looked cheap. We're definitely buying an ID 4!
Too bad the EV6 really has a small boot and backseat space, which makes that it's not an option for me. Why can't they just make an estate version out of it? That would really be something. An Xceed-like electric vehicle that really has it all. *Dreams*
I totally agree, if you like the technical quality and reliability of VW, but want a bigger and more practical version for less money, get a Skoda! It is VW parts on a brilliant Czech design - love it. Hope they will soon release some more electric alternatives than the Enyak. I have not been driving the ID4 but the dual drive EV6 and it really set the highest standard for what I have experienced and I have been driving some nice Audi and BMW, Volvo and Mercedes (yuck) and many others but KIAs EV6 left me simply speechless. I remember in 2005, a colleague of mine had a brand new KIA and it was a terribly cheap tin can, now more than 15 years later KIA and Hyundai give you the best bang for buck on a quality level. I wonder if German cars will ever catch up. It looks like they can only do extremely expensive and good or expensive and mediocre ... they don't seem to realize that many people can not afford or do not want to spend so much money on a vehicle that brings them from A to B, so the number of small and medium cars seems to wander off to KIA and Hyundai here in Germany and that is not a coincidence. Anyway the EV6 is pure fun, technology, security and perfection - silent, powerful, precise, efficient, modern ... If I'd be a car nerd without many other hobbies or if I had more income :-) , the EV6 would be a must have. Just ordered a cheap new Nero EV - a poor man's EV6 :-).
Great review ladies as always! EV6 for sure. VW is so boring inside and out.... but always wondered what happened to poor old E.T..... seems he was repurposed in his later life to become the front seats of the EV6. Can't help but see the poor fellow when looking at those strange headrests ;-)
The Kia EV6 takes Kia into uncharted territory. It is a remarkably good EV which needs to be compared to luxury marques like Audi & BMW, not the main VW brand. Way better value than a Tesla SUV equivalent too. With Tesla gradually opening up their charging infrastructure, Kia/Hyundai are a force to be reckoned with. The brand snobs will naturally laugh but who cares what they think?
I agree with most of your point and I was one of the now former snobs having made the switch from German or Czech made cars to a Hyundai EV. But Tesla is still way ahead of the competition on many parameters and especially when using their own infrastructure on long trips. Not until we see the Genesis GV60 will we have a competitor closing in on the sublime integration of the UI, the software and Tesla's ability to pre-condition the battery pack for highest possible charging speed in the minutes leading up to arriving at their charging point. The Ioniq5 and the EV6 both let the heat-pump for the cabin use heat from the battery pack but in cold weather this means "cold gating" and slow charging speeds regardless of the DC charger being a UFC 350kW or not. I hope they will issue an update that allows for the driver to let the battery become slightly hotter while driving - only slightly for many reasons not least that if it becomes too hot charging speed also drops.
The value proposition on a Tesla is an interesting one. The Tesla price reflects the demand for the vehicle more so than the equipment level. I agree the kia is most likely a really good car. But it's still not as good on the basic elements such as drive train efficiency or wind resistance which is still a downfall of the legacy auto industry. Then you have the issue of scaling up production which kia is not investing enough in.
Podobnie jak wy dziewczyny też uważam , że Kia Ev6 jest lepsza od ID.4 dlatego zamówiłem właśnie Kia , ale muszę czekać na ten samochód cały rok ! Myślę , że jest to jeden z najlepszych obecnie elektryków na rynku w przystępnej cenie. Poza tym dziewczyny fachowe prowadzenie testu z pozytywną energią !
I think the point about price is very valid if both are the same then the Kia is clearly the better car but if the VW is being sold discounted and with lower APR then you have to consider it much better value. For me Ill wait for Kia to update or replace the E Nero with something a bit more stylish that will be the sweet spot.
I agree and you have a rational point, but I will not ever again waste my money on anything with a VW badge on it. My own as well as several friends experiences from the last couple of years is filled with regrets as our/their VW/AUDI/SKODA cars have been left useless for months while waiting for someone i Germany figuring out how to swap some under-engineered part or realising that the software is still faulty or the update cannot be installed on the hardware-revision present in the car etc. has finally ended our 25 year-long irrational obsession with VAG. Even the official VW agency's own dealers are lying through their teeth and covering their incompetence. Even known faults documented in the erWIN system they refuse to fix - and this is not new, it also applied to my last ICE car. Several ID.3 cars have been bought back at huge losses to the owners. In one case with a "ID.3 MAX 1st" the loss was €9.000 after less than a year and just 7.000 km driven - the rest of the usual 30.000 km/year commute done in a diesel provided at a low lease, but not for free, by the dealer.
You forget to tell that on VW electric cars there are many errors with the infotainment system and the whole IT system which goes in black and is extremely slow. many VW ID4 come to the workshop time and time again
Ev6 wins hands-down. Having tested both there is nothing positive in id4. It is full of something we call bucket plastic, infotainment is illogical and horribly slow and laggy. Design inside depends on viewpoint but it is ugly for me. Id4 can shutdown randomly and needs restart like it was Windows 95. Charging is unreliable and there is no easy way to unplug charging cable as it can lock if charging fails. Manual unlock requires visit to dealer afterwards. Most of these issues were present in launch id3 so Vw has been unable fix these even after all this time.
Like the US ID4 Pro S with AWD, the more traditional styling inside and out. Hope the next iteration has LFP batteries, 800v charging, heat pump standard, 275+ miles range.
I’ve ordered the ID.4 Life Pure. Yes it’s got a smaller battery and motor but really well spec’d for a tad under £31k through drive the deal. I’m not looking for loads of power and massive range. So I’m well happy. I would like the EV6 but it’s way too pricey for me even base spec. I did spec a Skoda Enyaq as this was on my radar. Sadly though the cheapest I could get was £32,500 and didn’t come with adaptive cruise control nor keyless entry. By the time you spec up an Enyaq to what you get standard on the ID.4 you can easily add £5k £6k in options.
I’ve just been through this for replacing our Kona Electric. I got it down to the ioniq 5, EV6, ID4 and Enyaq. Drove them all and all great to drive. In the end went ID4 (GTX) for space. Enyaq looks to “normal” inside (personal choice), wife just didn’t like the Ioniq 5 (probably my favourite tbh), I loved the EV6 but the boot wasn’t big enough. Tbh all 4 where great cars with not a lot between them.
Great review and amazing how the next motoring era belongs to the comparative new comers like Hyundai. Kia and of course Tesla. VWs Incredibly Dull 4 is not only off the pace against rivals like the EV6, its the least appealing of the house brands to me. I'd take the EV6 all day long, or an Ioniq 5 over both if that was on offer - a totally awesome EV.
The Chinese manufacturers will dominate the EV era the same way the Japanese took over in the 80s and 90s. The Chinese MG is just a small insight into what’s coming from Geely, Nio, BYD, Xpeng, etc, etc. They have better tech, better range, look amazing and are a lot cheaper than European equivalents.
I agree, the old guard is pretty much over. New players will dominate the EV market for the next 10 years. Tesla will stay at the top as they've really earned that spot. I think Korea and China will move up in the automotive world with Japan moving down. Europe appears to have missed a big opportunity with mixed results.
@@Rick9482 , in my country, VW EV sales went from practically zero sales at the start of the year to end up selling more EVs than any other brand. That’s very impressive, don’t discount decades-long customer loyalties coupled with traditional showrooms and established dealer “friendships”. VW are now the number one EV brand here, I don’t know how they did it, there are ID3 and ID4s everywhere, yet I could easily drive for a couple of days before seeing a Tesla. A huge amount of people don’t want flashy ultra-modern designs such as the gorgeous EV6 and the very nice Ionic 5, lots of buyers are very content with the IDs and even the very bland Skoda Enyaq. So don’t discount the possibility of huge EV sales from the very slow to change incumbents, (except for the Japanese auto manufacturers of course , they are dead in the water, just sitting ducks).
@@sandyfordd1843 Sounds like your right in the mix and know first hand but the Kia and Hyundai are much too new to have much sale numbers. Tesla, Germany should be up soon and this time next year we'll have a better picture. I actually wish them all success! I'm in Silicon Valley so a Model 3 LR was my natural choice. Been a year now and satisfaction is off the charts. I've yet to see a Mustang, Polestar or even an ID 4. I'm sure their out there but the number of Tesla vehicles is a bit overwhelming as they were born in the next town. My car was delivered to my apartment on Dec. 30, 2020 in "perfect" condition. ICE vehicles are so over!!!
I'd take the Kia EV6 over the ID4, Ford Mach E and even the Tesla Model Y. The only thing that comes close to the Kia is the Hyundai Ioniq 5 imo...but favor the Kia just a bit more..
Don't get me wrong I'm all for EV's but they seem to just hike up their prices just like when video recorders and CD players and digital watches and calculators first came out. I will wait till they calm down from their greediness.
It’s the battery packs which are expensive to make but I remember Herbert Diess the CEO of the Volkswagen Group said battery pack costs should halve by 2025, so hopefully we will see prices start to fall from then onwards……………but we’ll see.
@@antonthompson7838 The Battery is cheaper then ever in history, and the price of the Battery have not gone to lover cost of the Car itself. If the Battery pack is 50% price in 2025, it will just go to the companies, not the customer.
@@antonthompson7838 Comparing an EV6 with something equivalent with cumbustion engine will bring you to the conclusion, there is no difference in price anymore. Same es VW. In Germany we get a lot of money from the government to support EV Buyers, which makes them really good deals at these conditions. If you want a cheat EV, go for a twingo ZE or a Dacia Spring.
I choose the ID.4 Pro S here in the states already have and there’s no turn back car is amazing specially for road trips very comfortable, spacious, and so quiet. Love it.
@@brushlessdrive9250 wow you really like to make every commenter here who says they like the ID.4 aware of your opinion, eh? No one cares what you think unless you’re paying the financing on the car.
I just commented on how bad both the head and tail lights were on a Tesla that we passed in traffic yesterday during heavy rain and fog. They were dim enough to be what I'd consider dangerous. If we wouldn't have made a mental note that it was there it would have been invisible. I doubt these would be much better because they prioritize efficiency over illumination
I could not sit in the backseats of the EV6, okay, my kids would probably sit there, except they are all grown up. The problem was the head rest having an edge the wrong place.
@@mattleistner313 whilst I agree, the cupra did come later. Vw got the sales of a very good car. Cupra lost that but took the time to make a great one. Looking forward to the cupra tavascan
Reviewers please stop telling us 20-80% or any other % figures and let us know how long to add 100 or 200 miles because % is meaningless with different battery sizes.
On paper the Kia is great but if you are over 6ft 2 your head room is limited in the front and non existent in the rear. Had a GT line S for a test drive and ruled the car out for that reason. I am 6ft 4 and with the sunroof my hair scuffs the headlining and it's very annoying even with the seat in the low position. Like other comments the Skoda Enyaq or model Y are the alternatives for me.
ID4 is pretty decent looking in real life. I haven't seen an EV6 yet but the tail end of the Kia looks odd to me with a sort of duck lips theme but its front end and profile view look stellar.
As always a nice review! In my opinion you missed one serious flaw of EV6. The back seat is too low (or the floor is too high) it makes a longer journey of anyone over 175 cm (5'9) there very uncomfortable. ID4 is much better there. Ps. You guys rock!
@@cez8017 yes you are right there is not that much legroom but I can just be there with my legs at an angle but the ceiling height is ok. my neighbor has an ID4 from 2020 and it is constantly in the workshop with black screen. so I will never have a VW
@@pwj9703 it is not so much about the leg room, but the seat height, it is just too low. When you sit there your knees are getting too close to your ears. About ID4. I use it for half a year now. It is great car, very spacious, comfortable, solid. But the infotainment system is the worst possible. It almost takes the whole pleasure of driving EV away.
@@cez8017 😉👍it's the same thing i hear all the time with ID3 and ID4 I live in denmark and VW is now forced into take between 2-5,000 ID return because they go in black.
I ordered an ID4, space wise it's more practical for a family with young children. I have a motorbike for when I want to go fast, I wanted a car that would tame my lively driving habits especially with kids.
EV6 is obviously better. What's the point of making new electric cars that have slow charging speeds? EU should make a law stating that all new EVs have to charge at 350kw.
@@Lewis_Standing Not true. If you look at the top selling cars in most countries they tend to be small cheap cars, not exactly the type of cars rich people buy!
@@Lewis_Standing I buy a new car every 6-7 years and don't consider myself rich. I am a securities litigation consultant and own a tree farm and saw mill so I do better than most, but most profit gets reinvested into the business so my disposable income isn't impressive. I just think life is too short to spend it in a boring old commuter car.
Did you have some serious smudge on your camera lens? The whole video looked so hazy that I had to clean my iPad’s screen just to make sure that wasn’t the reason. It was hard to even consentrate to the subject while looking through the haze. 😶🌫️
After a year driving, I prefer VW ID.4. Software updates are not the best part of the VW, but the comfort, space and fun to drive a like this car very much!
You’ve got the facts wrong on a number of points. With regenerative braking, it’s less efficient to engage on motorway or cruising roads away from urban stop start traffic, were lift and coast is ideal. Secondly, you keep stating the Skoda is cheaper to purchase than a matched specced ID4, which it isn’t, and you never ever go through the purchase plans or finance agreements needed to lease or direct pay the manufacturer, unless you buy outright. Where is the fact based journalism? Why stick to old motoring hack tropes from ‘90’s Autotrader editorials that Skoda’s are less expensive? These lo-fi TH-cam videos are little more than jaded opinion pieces.
Dara, we used an online configurator to price up an Enyaq 80 to a similar spec the ID.4 we tested and the price was £42k versus £46k for the VW. In fact the Skoda ended up much better equipped as you can only get certain features as part of 'packs'. If you have some other data you think we have missed then please let us know. Lift and coast is indeed ideal on lightly-trafficked motorways but is less efficient where there are more vehicles around - such as on most UK roads. The ideal is the use of smart Regen using intelligent cruise control which gives the best of both. The fitment of this feature results in more points in Electrifying's Efficiency Rating.
@@Electrifyingcom I did all the detailed research into Skoda vs VW and came away with an ID4 1st Ed with heat pump for £41k, Scottish EV loan on business use vehicles etc which will save £4k on full purchase price and £8k on the leasing options VW/Skoda offer themselves. Get some real world figures for folks, because this game isn’t even the game of two years ago, and there’s further EV incentive reductions coming and your video will still be online influencing decision making with out of date opinions based on personal whimsy.
@@Electrifyingcom Sure some people think the max price for a Kia ev6 earth model is 53k but I got it for 56,950. We can’t estimate the best can’t we? Dara isn’t wrong nor are you wrong. In euros not pounds.
I have driven both. Performance wise the EV6 is obviously better. Still, the sloped ceiling on the EV6 is so low. I am 6 feet and my head hits the ceiling on back seat. I also believe the design will be tired in a few years on the EV6. The ID.4 is much better for families and if you have passengers. ID.4 has bigger trunk, more legroom, and doesn't feel dark and claustrophobic in the back seat. It is a better family car. The EV6 is definitely more fun to drive though! I chose the ID.4.
VW has strayed so far, not making a single compelling product anymore and grossly oversaturated with CUVs, particularly in the US. Consider that VW doesn't even want to compete in the EV CUV segment with this ID4, and that they're convincing themselves that they can get more mainstream adoption by luring a RAV4 or CRV driver away and introduce them to EVs, rather than go up against even a Bolt EUV, none of this makes sense. It's quite the penalty box while trying to be unassuming, which is even more disgusting that they're trying to spin an etron Q4 out of it too. 🤡
That's your opinion. In North America, people buy CUVs more than anything, so most companies produce what people ask. BOLT EUV is a bit smaller, has a 50KW charger and the interior is not up to level to VW. But, that's subjective too. At the end of the day, a person buys what works for them regardless of your or my point of view.
Why moan about ski hatches when if manufacturers don’t put them in then people moan and proven on RSymonns channel that the interior and boot space was very good and definitely competed with the ID4 and better than Mach E, plus on the same channel as well as others it showed it charges very quickly with good range and as another comment mentioned re-gen can be adjusted in all modes. However and to put this in context the Kia EV6 Just won 2021 German prestige car of the year. Says everything that a non german car wins in their own back yard. Order an AWD GT line and it takes it to another level with performance and handling.
The Kia is better in many respects but the ID4 wins for interior space, having a pan roof available on mid-range models and price. In my 20's and early 30's I would have picked the Kia, but now i have a family i'd pick the ID4 GTX. If Kia release the EV7 soon, which is supposed to be a more practical version of the EV6, then that might swing me!
I live in San Antonio, Texas and hoping Ancira Kia has an EV6 AWD I can look at an drive sometime in January 2022! As of today they have no information on the EV6. I have more information thanks to you Oh, “Happy New Year”! I’m just not sure which model. I want the Deep Forest Green, which means I will have to order. How long will the wait be?
Hi Girls, Thanks for your video. Very interesting. I have an ID4 since May last year I have made 13500km and so far so good 😊. I like the fact that I can get OTA (over the air) up dates. The next one scheduled for April should allow more charging speed and perhaps more driving range as well as lots of other improvements. Do you know if the EV6 is also OTA capable?
i can get both of these right now as a salary sacrifice car at work. i love the look of the EV6 so probably going with that one. we only have the option to go for the basic models (air for EV6 or pro for ID4) so i will miss some cool features but ill manage i guess :D
I also had the same problems, but those went away when I switched to winter tires. I don't have any experience driving a rwd EV in snow, but because of the higher weight, I expect beter rear grip on an EV. The higher torque of the electric motor at low rpm could possibly make it worse though. So I would still recommend decent winter tires.
A hybrid car range is double, I top up £35 petrol which gives me around 20l petrol and I would get double the range of the electric car for half the price of the car it cost me £24,000.00. These electric cars are so expensive for selling recycled products.
"In the next episode EQS vs Tesla S plaid, Which is the best school run car?". You just compared a less practical twin with a car with no boot (for family car standards) and foot space if the driver and passenger is anything close to 185cm.
I think the Kias/Hyundais are the ones for the testers, the VWs/Skodas/Cupras are the ones for the people. The Korean cars are beeping all the time, wondering from left to right in the lane when the lane keeping assistant is active, are not charging how they should in winter and their online connection works with an extra app which you must have to use the full capability of their route planing system. They have all the interesting stand out features car journalist like but thats not what you need in your daily life. You need a car which just does its job and isnt bothering you which inconvenience.
You know you can turn off the safety assistance features so the beeping noise goes away, right? Also, the consensus among all the top level auto enthusiasts and vloggers is that Hyundai/Kia/Genesis lane keep and driver assistance aids are among the best in the business and arguably closest to Tesla. Not sure what you're talking about...but you sound like you don't have a clue..
Honestly the review is pretty amateurish. Some of the most basic facts were wrong (RWD with no mention of the AWD, preferring Eco mode for max brake regen when thats available in all modes, etc etc). Sorry guys not subscribing, 3/10
I just got home from a 330 mile round trip and 220 miles of it was in heavy rain and fog. Has anyone tested EV lights in those conditions? I ask because a Tesla (they all look the same to so I don't which model) passed us and was nearly invisible when we passed it later. The tail lights were so dim we couldn't see them a car length away. The headlights weren't much better and didn't appear in our mirrors until it was almost next to us. That is dangerous IMO.
Very interesting Ladies thank you. I think the 4 to choose from at the moment are EV6, Ioniq 5, Enyaq 80 & Tesla Model 3, but whether or not i can get a suitable lease deal through my company is another matter ?
Nice comparison video. Thanks. I like the looks of the VW a lot more. I wish the EV6 looked like the Seltos, a proper SUV. The low and slanted roofline doesn’t appeal to me but the technology certainly does.
I have an EV6 on order. Hopefully I'll get it in February.
The presences of the KIA is impressive. More so than the Ioniq 5 - for me. Great video, really agree.
Surely 7yr vs 3yr warranty is another important point that was worth mentioning?
You’d think they would, and they should. The channel is light on facts.
EV6 has the 7 year?
A negative for ev6 is mandatory servicing at 15k intervals. VW is nothing for the first 2 years. Still not mentioned on this review
@@tigertoo01 Is that a negative though? I felt a regular maintenance regardless of it being petrol or ev based should be a pro.
@@tigertoo01 Hardly a negative. For ICE vehicles, you have to have oil changes at 5k miles (or whatever is recommended) or risk voiding your engine warranty. It's actually pretty dumb if VW doesn't require servicing at certain use intervals.. (What if I drive 50k kms per year...first servicing after 100k? That make sense?)
The Kia is so much better. Good to drive and all of the gadgets work properly.
I would like to see one day comparison of Kia EV9, VW id Buzz as the familiest from each Brand ;) and than put it against R1S from Rivian on european soil. As always great content, thanks
I totally want an EV6 ❤️
Let's hope there is more than 1.
I also prefer the Enyaq over the id4 but prefer the EV6 to both. And for music lover like me the optional Meridian Sound system in EV6 is apparently very very good. In fact I view the EV6 as a cut price version of the Jaguar i-Pace with a better look, much faster charging capability (which is really a let down on the Jaguar) and the same Meridian sound system. The only advantage left to the Jaguar over all the overs is it’s off-road capabilities…which I really do not need but I could understand that for some people it could be an advantage
Let's see if we will see this year the "model q or model 2" with a realistic range of 250 280 miles realistic range and new battery pack with a guarantee of 12 years or 250.000 miles and battery capacity 75 per cent after those miles! And we need a cheaper evs less than 25.000 pounds with 280 realistic miles even less even 20.000 pounds!!! And also we need real green energy and power and batteries recycling more than 95 per cent and able to be used for at least 3 or 4 more times,! Let's hope tesla or other companies are able to facilitate that in 2023 or 2024!!
Can't have the Enyaq beating everything, the wait time is now apparently 48 weeks. Selling more than they can make already.
VW just make bad EV, better buy Kia, Hyundai, Tesla.
Over on Carwow, they did a max range test on a bunch of EVs. Not all had the same capacity battery, but the efficiencies made interesting reading - EV6 got 3.7m/kWh, but of the ID.4 clones the best was the Enyaq with 3.4, the Audi getting only 3.2. They reckoned the aero played a big part in their test, but noted that Kia use different battery management systems to Hyundai, (as well as being more slippery), which gave it a better efficiency result than the Ioniq 5
Matt in the EV6 conked out just round the corner from my house in that video, which made it all the more interesting to watch!
Just ordered my EV6 today. Expecting it around September
I think the Enyaq might’ve put up a better fight, but - for me - this EV6 is the best EV available at around £45k at the moment!
I was about to say the same Enyaq, Kia Niro-e, Ford Mustang Mach-e, Tesla Y are a better rivals for iD.4 crossover..
The EV6 should be compared on full electric hatch segment..( Ioniq 5, Tesla 3, iD3, Nissan Leaf) -They are All electrics but Different size classes..
Until you drive it in the winter. Then the best charging EV will turn into the worst. Lithium polymer batteries are the worst for colder climates. This is not an issue he you can pre heat the battery while driving to the charging station. Which you cant in the EV 6. Only while charging the pre heating is available. That means before charging the ice cold battery has to be heated and then you can start charging.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 First of all before testing the EV6 in December 2 weeks ago, i have driven a while back 2 models of full electric Kia : electric-Soul & e-Niro but all of them seem to have issues pre-heating in the winter, second it also depends of the optional features selected on the car because it can have some new optional features that are not available on all markets or on all versions unless are specifically ordered & pre-payed in advance from the dealer only then all optional features will be on the owner car, and 3rd most of the issues in this discussion are caused by the dreadfully unreliable and quirky Kia Connect/UVO App & system. They both (and even the dealer) seem to be heavily relying on information from the Kia app. I’ve used the UVO app for about a full year on previously mentioned Kia models. It is widely accepted to be totally unreliable. The cars are great but the apps very much less so. The Kia app is still very useful but you have to get to know it’s foibles and accept it frequently returns incorrect status. Repeated refreshes of the app will sometimes eventually correct the status reports but i didn't have lot's of time with the EV6 since is still too fresh just about released in Europe specially in my area.. Hopefully any of these issues will be sorted & gone with software up-dates as well as with the new types of batteries with Aluminum ion-cells and graphene +Na sulphure mixtures which ar last-longer between charges & charge faster.. But i guess we will see what is next.
The EV6, I have one in Sweden. The four wheel drive which feels safer in snowy conditions.
I really don’t understand Ginnys’ argument that you should drive in eco mode to be able to choose your degeneration, it works in any mode.
Is the lack of a rear windscreen wiper a problem in winter conditions? We don't have the EV6 yet in Canada.
@@vincentrobinet2713 it‘s not, the design of the rear and its ducktale actually keeps dirt away perfectly, i think you can see it quite well in björn nylands videos
@@gabriel-jk1mi thank you, I will look for those videos.
@@vincentrobinet2713 no problem, i actually just found it at minute 12:31 th-cam.com/video/1FYD00rvKhc/w-d-xo.html
@@vincentrobinet2713 One of my concerns as well, but surprisingly not, it works really well without a wiper. But there are two concerns, the pre heating of the cabin don’t work and the over the air software updates is not in place yet. I expect updates during 2022.
Took my Kia e-Niro in for some minor warranty work last week, my dealer in Niort had an EV6 in the showroom powering the Christmas tree lights. So V2T (vehicle to tree) then. 😊
🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
V2t? 🤣🤣🤣 Nice
I had the Skoda Enyaq for 12 weeks before the battery died. They wanted me to wait for another 12 weeks for it to be ‘looked at’ in one of their two specialist battery centres. This request came with no guarantees as to when it might actually be fixed and back with me. I now have an EV6 on order, due March 22. Let’s hope that the Kia last longer than the Skoda!
How have you found the EV6?
@@mattmurdoch4345 the EV6 is a very reliable, comfortable and quick car. I’ve done just over 30k miles in it and it never had any real issues. I replace the rear tyres at around 26k which is more than I’d get from previous RWD cars. If you not bought one yet, definitely add the heat pump, I didn’t and that was a mistake.
Don’t forget Kia’s 7 year warranty - I think you chaps mistakingly confirmed it as five years in one of your previous videos. There is a reason why EV6 not discounted like id4. Also VW, drum brakes on rear?! What year is this lol
Drum brakes are there for a reason. I drive a VW Passat GTE and my back disc brakes gets rusted because I don’t brake enough because of the regenerative braking.
Drum brakes won’t rust
The lack of braking power / drum brakes are a complete dealbreaker for me. That's very disappointing to see drum brakes on a 42k car..
@@alexandergoldman drums are complete sealed unit. Cheap to replace. Long lasting. Regen can be relied on more so breaks don’t need to be disc. Breaking power seems ok in id3.
The Kia and Hyundai are better than the Id4… Hands down!!!
Kia every day of the week. VW way too compromised to take seriously. Poor infotainment system and very suspect interior quality.
We chose the ID4. Had it for three weeks. Very happy with how it performs both in and around town and on motorways. Makes driving a lot more comfortable, safer and easier. We charge on the streets. So far so good.
Kia EV6 by far, look less like a refrigerator and I'd trust the tech over anything from VAG.
Kia has V2L and it's highly efficient so it's the one I'd have. Shame about the price tags on all of them. How will they age and how will the manufacturers support ageing tech out of warranty?
VW will bring V2L/V2H on their large battery MEB cars during this spring.
That said, the EV6 is far more interesting than the id4 to me as well. For more room though, the sofa sibling does look interesting (though I am no SUV fan...)
Camp Kia for me 😊👍
Sadly the ID4 accelerates at the same 0-60 as the new Honda Jazz... Which is a little slow. I like the additional space in the boot... But if you want space the Skoda wins & is cheaper!
So I would go for the EV6.
For me the Kia wins hands down. I like the looks of both cars but I think the faster charging ability, all be it on the few 350 kwh charge points and the better range and driving Dynamics is the clincher. I drive a Kia Nero 4+ and really like it but the EV6 is in another league. The other thing that still sticks in my mind is Dieselgate and the shameful behaviour of VW. Who cared little about the poisonous emissions there cars were illegally covering up.
I agree, trust is important, I wouldn't be surprised to see battery longevity problems with the VW range. Battery Life has lost 10% battery capacity in only a year with his ID3. He blames it on DC fast charging but this is where battery quality and charging speed management comes into play. Cars that coldgate do so for a reason.
My brother and I both got in the Kia the other day after we just been in an ID 4 and the ID 4 clearly had a much more refined interior more cool features! The Kia just looked cheap
looking plastic everywhere. All of seats were not comfortable and everything looked cheap.
We're definitely buying an ID 4!
Too bad the EV6 really has a small boot and backseat space, which makes that it's not an option for me. Why can't they just make an estate version out of it? That would really be something. An Xceed-like electric vehicle that really has it all. *Dreams*
I totally agree, if you like the technical quality and reliability of VW, but want a bigger and more practical version for less money, get a Skoda!
It is VW parts on a brilliant Czech design - love it. Hope they will soon release some more electric alternatives than the Enyak.
I have not been driving the ID4 but the dual drive EV6 and it really set the highest standard for what I have experienced and I have been driving some nice Audi and BMW, Volvo and Mercedes (yuck) and many others but KIAs EV6 left me simply speechless.
I remember in 2005, a colleague of mine had a brand new KIA and it was a terribly cheap tin can, now more than 15 years later KIA and Hyundai give you the best bang for buck on a quality level. I wonder if German cars will ever catch up. It looks like they can only do extremely expensive and good or expensive and mediocre ... they don't seem to realize that many people can not afford or do not want to spend so much money on a vehicle that brings them from A to B, so the number of small and medium cars seems to wander off to KIA and Hyundai here in Germany and that is not a coincidence.
Anyway the EV6 is pure fun, technology, security and perfection - silent, powerful, precise, efficient, modern ... If I'd be a car nerd without many other hobbies or if I had more income :-) , the EV6 would be a must have. Just ordered a cheap new Nero EV - a poor man's EV6 :-).
Great review ladies as always! EV6 for sure. VW is so boring inside and out.... but always wondered what happened to poor old E.T..... seems he was repurposed in his later life to become the front seats of the EV6. Can't help but see the poor fellow when looking at those strange headrests ;-)
The Kia EV6 takes Kia into uncharted territory. It is a remarkably good EV which needs to be compared to luxury marques like Audi & BMW, not the main VW brand. Way better value than a Tesla SUV equivalent too. With Tesla gradually opening up their charging infrastructure, Kia/Hyundai are a force to be reckoned with. The brand snobs will naturally laugh but who cares what they think?
I agree with most of your point and I was one of the now former snobs having made the switch from German or Czech made cars to a Hyundai EV. But Tesla is still way ahead of the competition on many parameters and especially when using their own infrastructure on long trips. Not until we see the Genesis GV60 will we have a competitor closing in on the sublime integration of the UI, the software and Tesla's ability to pre-condition the battery pack for highest possible charging speed in the minutes leading up to arriving at their charging point. The Ioniq5 and the EV6 both let the heat-pump for the cabin use heat from the battery pack but in cold weather this means "cold gating" and slow charging speeds regardless of the DC charger being a UFC 350kW or not. I hope they will issue an update that allows for the driver to let the battery become slightly hotter while driving - only slightly for many reasons not least that if it becomes too hot charging speed also drops.
The value proposition on a Tesla is an interesting one. The Tesla price reflects the demand for the vehicle more so than the equipment level. I agree the kia is most likely a really good car. But it's still not as good on the basic elements such as drive train efficiency or wind resistance which is still a downfall of the legacy auto industry. Then you have the issue of scaling up production which kia is not investing enough in.
Podobnie jak wy dziewczyny też uważam , że Kia Ev6 jest lepsza od ID.4 dlatego zamówiłem właśnie Kia , ale muszę czekać na ten samochód cały rok ! Myślę , że jest to jeden z najlepszych obecnie elektryków na rynku w przystępnej cenie. Poza tym dziewczyny fachowe prowadzenie testu z pozytywną energią !
2022 begins with a superb comparison rEView.
Simply Electrifying 👏🏽
Happy New Year to all.
I think the point about price is very valid if both are the same then the Kia is clearly the better car but if the VW is being sold discounted and with lower APR then you have to consider it much better value. For me Ill wait for Kia to update or replace the E Nero with something a bit more stylish that will be the sweet spot.
I agree and you have a rational point, but I will not ever again waste my money on anything with a VW badge on it. My own as well as several friends experiences from the last couple of years is filled with regrets as our/their VW/AUDI/SKODA cars have been left useless for months while waiting for someone i Germany figuring out how to swap some under-engineered part or realising that the software is still faulty or the update cannot be installed on the hardware-revision present in the car etc. has finally ended our 25 year-long irrational obsession with VAG. Even the official VW agency's own dealers are lying through their teeth and covering their incompetence. Even known faults documented in the erWIN system they refuse to fix - and this is not new, it also applied to my last ICE car. Several ID.3 cars have been bought back at huge losses to the owners. In one case with a "ID.3 MAX 1st" the loss was €9.000 after less than a year and just 7.000 km driven - the rest of the usual 30.000 km/year commute done in a diesel provided at a low lease, but not for free, by the dealer.
Got to be the kia ev6 better looking than the id4,and you wouldn't get bored of driving it.
You forget to tell that on VW electric cars there are many errors with the infotainment system and the whole IT system which goes in black and is extremely slow. many VW ID4 come to the workshop time and time again
Kia EV6 is much better in eveyr way
Ev6 wins hands-down. Having tested both there is nothing positive in id4. It is full of something we call bucket plastic, infotainment is illogical and horribly slow and laggy. Design inside depends on viewpoint but it is ugly for me. Id4 can shutdown randomly and needs restart like it was Windows 95. Charging is unreliable and there is no easy way to unplug charging cable as it can lock if charging fails. Manual unlock requires visit to dealer afterwards.
Most of these issues were present in launch id3 so Vw has been unable fix these even after all this time.
The VW group stuff is dead on arrival in comparison to the competition. The EV6 is the next generation whilst the ID4 is Eniro level technology.
Like the US ID4 Pro S with AWD, the more traditional styling inside and out. Hope the next iteration has LFP batteries, 800v charging, heat pump standard, 275+ miles range.
Between these two, and truly most of the competition, Kia EV6 any day.
I’ve ordered the ID.4 Life Pure. Yes it’s got a smaller battery and motor but really well spec’d for a tad under £31k through drive the deal. I’m not looking for loads of power and massive range. So I’m well happy. I would like the EV6 but it’s way too pricey for me even base spec. I did spec a Skoda Enyaq as this was on my radar. Sadly though the cheapest I could get was £32,500 and didn’t come with adaptive cruise control nor keyless entry. By the time you spec up an Enyaq to what you get standard on the ID.4 you can easily add £5k £6k in options.
I’ve just been through this for replacing our Kona Electric. I got it down to the ioniq 5, EV6, ID4 and Enyaq. Drove them all and all great to drive. In the end went ID4 (GTX) for space. Enyaq looks to “normal” inside (personal choice), wife just didn’t like the Ioniq 5 (probably my favourite tbh), I loved the EV6 but the boot wasn’t big enough. Tbh all 4 where great cars with not a lot between them.
Were great .
@@antoniopalmero4063 Conan the Grammarian!
I want kia ev6.
First part of the brake peddle on the ID.4 is regen really. Push that bit more and they do feel much sharper.
Great review and amazing how the next motoring era belongs to the comparative new comers like Hyundai. Kia and of course Tesla. VWs Incredibly Dull 4 is not only off the pace against rivals like the EV6, its the least appealing of the house brands to me. I'd take the EV6 all day long, or an Ioniq 5 over both if that was on offer - a totally awesome EV.
The Chinese manufacturers will dominate the EV era the same way the Japanese took over in the 80s and 90s. The Chinese MG is just a small insight into what’s coming from Geely, Nio, BYD, Xpeng, etc, etc. They have better tech, better range, look amazing and are a lot cheaper than European equivalents.
@@sandyfordd1843 I agree, some very exciting cars coming from China. VW should be really worried if the ID is their best effort !
I agree, the old guard is pretty much over. New players will dominate the EV market for the next 10 years.
Tesla will stay at the top as they've really earned that spot. I think Korea and China will move up in the automotive world with Japan moving down. Europe appears to have missed a big opportunity with mixed results.
@@Rick9482 , in my country, VW EV sales went from practically zero sales at the start of the year to end up selling more EVs than any other brand. That’s very impressive, don’t discount decades-long customer loyalties coupled with traditional showrooms and established dealer “friendships”. VW are now the number one EV brand here, I don’t know how they did it, there are ID3 and ID4s everywhere, yet I could easily drive for a couple of days before seeing a Tesla. A huge amount of people don’t want flashy ultra-modern designs such as the gorgeous EV6 and the very nice Ionic 5, lots of buyers are very content with the IDs and even the very bland Skoda Enyaq. So don’t discount the possibility of huge EV sales from the very slow to change incumbents, (except for the Japanese auto manufacturers of course , they are dead in the water, just sitting ducks).
@@sandyfordd1843 Sounds like your right in the mix and know first hand but the Kia and Hyundai are much too new to have much sale numbers. Tesla, Germany should be up soon and this time next year we'll have a better picture.
I actually wish them all success!
I'm in Silicon Valley so a Model 3 LR was my natural choice. Been a year now and satisfaction is off the charts. I've yet to see a Mustang, Polestar or even an ID 4. I'm sure their out there but the number of Tesla vehicles is a bit overwhelming as they were born in the next town. My car was delivered to my apartment on Dec. 30, 2020 in "perfect" condition.
ICE vehicles are so over!!!
Electric engines will level the playing field among the car makers so more focus will be placed on the interior quality and the gizmos to play with.
Only the ev6 Hyundai brother or the Skoda enyaq can make me doubt.against the id4 is easy choose, the Kia
I'd take the Kia EV6 over the ID4, Ford Mach E and even the Tesla Model Y. The only thing that comes close to the Kia is the Hyundai Ioniq 5 imo...but favor the Kia just a bit more..
Ordered our EV6 GT Line yesterday, arrive in June but hope it will be earlier.
Kia EV6 is the best !
Don't get me wrong I'm all for EV's but they seem to just hike up their prices just like when video recorders and CD players and digital watches and calculators first came out. I will wait till they calm down from their greediness.
It’s the battery packs which are expensive to make but I remember Herbert Diess the CEO of the Volkswagen Group said battery pack costs should halve by 2025, so hopefully we will see prices start to fall from then onwards……………but we’ll see.
@@antonthompson7838 cheers for the info.
@@antonthompson7838 The Battery is cheaper then ever in history, and the price of the Battery have not gone to lover cost of the Car itself.
If the Battery pack is 50% price in 2025, it will just go to the companies, not the customer.
@@antonthompson7838
Comparing an EV6 with something equivalent with cumbustion engine will bring you to the conclusion, there is no difference in price anymore. Same es VW.
In Germany we get a lot of money from the government to support EV Buyers, which makes them really good deals at these conditions.
If you want a cheat EV, go for a twingo ZE or a Dacia Spring.
EV6 😏
I choose the ID.4 Pro S here in the states already have and there’s no turn back car is amazing specially for road trips very comfortable, spacious, and so quiet. Love it.
And the Worst quality car are ID.4. Typical VW crap.
@@brushlessdrive9250 wow you really like to make every commenter here who says they like the ID.4 aware of your opinion, eh? No one cares what you think unless you’re paying the financing on the car.
EV6 IS A WINNER AND IS MUCH BETTER!
Great Reviews!
Something that also is important is to test the headlight. How good is this on these cars?
I just commented on how bad both the head and tail lights were on a Tesla that we passed in traffic yesterday during heavy rain and fog. They were dim enough to be what I'd consider dangerous. If we wouldn't have made a mental note that it was there it would have been invisible. I doubt these would be much better because they prioritize efficiency over illumination
I could not sit in the backseats of the EV6, okay, my kids would probably sit there, except they are all grown up.
The problem was the head rest having an edge the wrong place.
Personally I want more ID3 alternatives, these are too big for me.
Cupra born? Renault megane e-tech? Citroen e-c4? Opel Mokka? Lots of choices in this segment :)
@@Brandofviti And Nissan Leaf. And Hyundai Kona. And Peugeot e-208. And Corsa-E. And Renault Zoe.
Cupra born is the better ID3.😉
@@mattleistner313 whilst I agree, the cupra did come later. Vw got the sales of a very good car. Cupra lost that but took the time to make a great one. Looking forward to the cupra tavascan
@@mattleistner313 I love all things Spanish.
Reviewers please stop telling us 20-80% or any other % figures and let us know how long to add 100 or 200 miles because % is meaningless with different battery sizes.
Not forgetting the charging curve as well
@@michaelheadley2041 Ev6 claim is 210 in 18 minutes, but that is wtlp so only if you drive like a saint in summer
On paper the Kia is great but if you are over 6ft 2 your head room is limited in the front and non existent in the rear. Had a GT line S for a test drive and ruled the car out for that reason. I am 6ft 4 and with the sunroof my hair scuffs the headlining and it's very annoying even with the seat in the low position. Like other comments the Skoda Enyaq or model Y are the alternatives for me.
Certainly need to keep individual size in mind. I daily drive a Miata, so the EV6 looks like a minivan in comparison.
ID4 is pretty decent looking in real life. I haven't seen an EV6 yet but the tail end of the Kia looks odd to me with a sort of duck lips theme but its front end and profile view look stellar.
Having seen it in nature, I would prefer the Ioniq 5 over the EV6. VW id4 is quite clumbsy looking booring car
It's because you are vw fan, ID4 tail end is odd.
As always a nice review!
In my opinion you missed one serious flaw of EV6. The back seat is too low (or the floor is too high) it makes a longer journey of anyone over 175 cm (5'9) there very uncomfortable. ID4 is much better there.
Ps. You guys rock!
I am 194 cm and have nice space in EV6
@@pwj9703 At the back? If yes, you must have very short legs.
@@cez8017 yes you are right there is not that much legroom but I can just be there with my legs at an angle but the ceiling height is ok. my neighbor has an ID4 from 2020 and it is constantly in the workshop with black screen. so I will never have a VW
@@pwj9703 it is not so much about the leg room, but the seat height, it is just too low. When you sit there your knees are getting too close to your ears.
About ID4. I use it for half a year now. It is great car, very spacious, comfortable, solid. But the infotainment system is the worst possible. It almost takes the whole pleasure of driving EV away.
@@cez8017 😉👍it's the same thing i hear all the time with ID3 and ID4 I live in denmark and VW is now forced into take between 2-5,000 ID return because they go in black.
Happy New Year Ginny & Team
I ordered an ID4, space wise it's more practical for a family with young children.
I have a motorbike for when I want to go fast, I wanted a car that would tame my lively driving habits especially with kids.
EV6 is obviously better.
What's the point of making new electric cars that have slow charging speeds?
EU should make a law stating that all new EVs have to charge at 350kw.
Which is "better" or which is "best" of these 2 vehicles ?
Prefer the look of the Kia, but the ID.4 s probably more practical. Both far too expensive for most people.
Most people don't buy new cars. Only rich people do.
@@Lewis_Standing Not true. If you look at the top selling cars in most countries they tend to be small cheap cars, not exactly the type of cars rich people buy!
@@Lewis_Standing I buy a new car every 6-7 years and don't consider myself rich. I am a securities litigation consultant and own a tree farm and saw mill so I do better than most, but most profit gets reinvested into the business so my disposable income isn't impressive. I just think life is too short to spend it in a boring old commuter car.
Did you have some serious smudge on your camera lens? The whole video looked so hazy that I had to clean my iPad’s screen just to make sure that wasn’t the reason. It was hard to even consentrate to the subject while looking through the haze. 😶🌫️
After a year driving, I prefer VW ID.4. Software updates are not the best part of the VW, but the comfort, space and fun to drive a like this car very much!
Worst EV car make VW....
I think I’d trust Korean electronics more than German VW modules.
I prefer the ID4.
Better looks
You’ve got the facts wrong on a number of points.
With regenerative braking, it’s less efficient to engage on motorway or cruising roads away from urban stop start traffic, were lift and coast is ideal. Secondly, you keep stating the Skoda is cheaper to purchase than a matched specced ID4, which it isn’t, and you never ever go through the purchase plans or finance agreements needed to lease or direct pay the manufacturer, unless you buy outright.
Where is the fact based journalism? Why stick to old motoring hack tropes from ‘90’s Autotrader editorials that Skoda’s are less expensive?
These lo-fi TH-cam videos are little more than jaded opinion pieces.
Dara, we used an online configurator to price up an Enyaq 80 to a similar spec the ID.4 we tested and the price was £42k versus £46k for the VW. In fact the Skoda ended up much better equipped as you can only get certain features as part of 'packs'.
If you have some other data you think we have missed then please let us know.
Lift and coast is indeed ideal on lightly-trafficked motorways but is less efficient where there are more vehicles around - such as on most UK roads. The ideal is the use of smart Regen using intelligent cruise control which gives the best of both. The fitment of this feature results in more points in Electrifying's Efficiency Rating.
@@Electrifyingcom I did all the detailed research into Skoda vs VW and came away with an ID4 1st Ed with heat pump for £41k, Scottish EV loan on business use vehicles etc which will save £4k on full purchase price and £8k on the leasing options VW/Skoda offer themselves.
Get some real world figures for folks, because this game isn’t even the game of two years ago, and there’s further EV incentive reductions coming and your video will still be online influencing decision making with out of date opinions based on personal whimsy.
@@Electrifyingcom Sure some people think the max price for a Kia ev6 earth model is 53k but I got it for 56,950. We can’t estimate the best can’t we? Dara isn’t wrong nor are you wrong.
In euros not pounds.
Seems like an odd comparison, I’d have thought the VW ID5 or more likely the Audi Q4 sport-back would be more natural competitors to the EV6
Perfectly said, the VW ID 4 or even the 3 are boring with issues on the tech systems
Who the hell in these current times can afford these cars, the prices are beyond most normal families.
I have driven both. Performance wise the EV6 is obviously better. Still, the sloped ceiling on the EV6 is so low. I am 6 feet and my head hits the ceiling on back seat. I also believe the design will be tired in a few years on the EV6. The ID.4 is much better for families and if you have passengers. ID.4 has bigger trunk, more legroom, and doesn't feel dark and claustrophobic in the back seat. It is a better family car. The EV6 is definitely more fun to drive though! I chose the ID.4.
VW has strayed so far, not making a single compelling product anymore and grossly oversaturated with CUVs, particularly in the US.
Consider that VW doesn't even want to compete in the EV CUV segment with this ID4, and that they're convincing themselves that they can get more mainstream adoption by luring a RAV4 or CRV driver away and introduce them to EVs, rather than go up against even a Bolt EUV, none of this makes sense. It's quite the penalty box while trying to be unassuming, which is even more disgusting that they're trying to spin an etron Q4 out of it too. 🤡
That's your opinion. In North America, people buy CUVs more than anything, so most companies produce what people ask. BOLT EUV is a bit smaller, has a 50KW charger and the interior is not up to level to VW. But, that's subjective too. At the end of the day, a person buys what works for them regardless of your or my point of view.
Why moan about ski hatches when if manufacturers don’t put them in then people moan and proven on RSymonns channel that the interior and boot space was very good and definitely competed with the ID4 and better than Mach E, plus on the same channel as well as others it showed it charges very quickly with good range and as another comment mentioned re-gen can be adjusted in all modes. However and to put this in context the Kia EV6 Just won 2021 German prestige car of the year. Says everything that a non german car wins in their own back yard. Order an AWD GT line and it takes it to another level with performance and handling.
The Kia is better in many respects but the ID4 wins for interior space, having a pan roof available on mid-range models and price. In my 20's and early 30's I would have picked the Kia, but now i have a family i'd pick the ID4 GTX. If Kia release the EV7 soon, which is supposed to be a more practical version of the EV6, then that might swing me!
I prefer the EV6 to the Ioniq 5. I’d probably go for a Mustang. However the bZ4X and Ariya look promising too
Bz4x is trash compare to this 2
@@saul71101 I love the bZ4X interior and the whole design. It’s cheaper too.
I live in San Antonio, Texas and hoping Ancira Kia has an EV6 AWD I can look at an drive sometime in January 2022! As of today they have no information on the EV6. I have more information thanks to you Oh, “Happy New Year”! I’m just not sure which model. I want the Deep Forest Green, which means I will have to order. How long will the wait be?
I wouldn't expect them at American dealerships until the summer.
Hi Girls,
Thanks for your video. Very interesting. I have an ID4 since May last year I have made 13500km and so far so good 😊. I like the fact that I can get OTA (over the air) up dates. The next one scheduled for April should allow more charging speed and perhaps more driving range as well as lots of other improvements. Do you know if the EV6 is also OTA capable?
I'll answer a year later, yes it is.
Happy New Year team
Car and truck tests with girls are easier on the eyes and ears. Thumbs up.
Please stop saying which is “best” when you are comparing two cars. It’s “better”. It’s driving me bonkers.. aaaaagh!
According to sales figures (customers) it’s either the Tesla model 3 or Y.
i can get both of these right now as a salary sacrifice car at work.
i love the look of the EV6 so probably going with that one.
we only have the option to go for the basic models (air for EV6 or pro for ID4) so i will miss some cool features but ill manage i guess :D
I have a RWD ICE car and it is useless in light snow and above. I was wondering if RWD EVs are any better with it’s different weight distribution?
I also had the same problems, but those went away when I switched to winter tires. I don't have any experience driving a rwd EV in snow, but because of the higher weight, I expect beter rear grip on an EV. The higher torque of the electric motor at low rpm could possibly make it worse though. So I would still recommend decent winter tires.
Were do they get around $45k the MSRP here in the US is 56,000 for the base model.
This is a British channel. Their cost is in pounds.
If EV6 isn' there I would stay with my BMW, kind of hard to rob a royalty away by a design.
Ergonomics. Kia. Speed. Kia. Warranty. Kia. Handling. Kia. Charging. Kia. Efficiency. Kia. Badge...... Kia.
A hybrid car range is double, I top up £35 petrol which gives me around 20l petrol and I would get double the range of the electric car for half the price of the car it cost me £24,000.00. These electric cars are so expensive for selling recycled products.
"In the next episode EQS vs Tesla S plaid, Which is the best school run car?". You just compared a less practical twin with a car with no boot (for family car standards) and foot space if the driver and passenger is anything close to 185cm.
So, the Skoda Enyaq wins then?
I think the Kias/Hyundais are the ones for the testers, the VWs/Skodas/Cupras are the ones for the people.
The Korean cars are beeping all the time, wondering from left to right in the lane when the lane keeping assistant is active, are not charging how they should in winter and their online connection works with an extra app which you must have to use the full capability of their route planing system.
They have all the interesting stand out features car journalist like but thats not what you need in your daily life.
You need a car which just does its job and isnt bothering you which inconvenience.
You know you can turn off the safety assistance features so the beeping noise goes away, right? Also, the consensus among all the top level auto enthusiasts and vloggers is that Hyundai/Kia/Genesis lane keep and driver assistance aids are among the best in the business and arguably closest to Tesla. Not sure what you're talking about...but you sound like you don't have a clue..
Prefer the kia
Honestly the review is pretty amateurish.
Some of the most basic facts were wrong (RWD with no mention of the AWD, preferring Eco mode for max brake regen when thats available in all modes, etc etc).
Sorry guys not subscribing, 3/10
Isn’t it better (not best) when you compare two things?
Kia, all day long.
CAMP KIA all the way !
Thank You Girls for a great and for me current video 👍😉
I just got home from a 330 mile round trip and 220 miles of it was in heavy rain and fog. Has anyone tested EV lights in those conditions? I ask because a Tesla (they all look the same to so I don't which model) passed us and was nearly invisible when we passed it later. The tail lights were so dim we couldn't see them a car length away. The headlights weren't much better and didn't appear in our mirrors until it was almost next to us. That is dangerous IMO.
Very interesting Ladies thank you. I think the 4 to choose from at the moment are EV6, Ioniq 5, Enyaq 80 & Tesla Model 3, but whether or not i can get a suitable lease deal through my company is another matter ?
Nice comparison video. Thanks. I like the looks of the VW a lot more. I wish the EV6 looked like the Seltos, a proper SUV. The low and slanted roofline doesn’t appeal to me but the technology certainly does.
nice.