I'm playing a game that has 5k players on steam, had around the same peak players as the finals at launch (250k+), is about 3.5 years old, and the studio employs more than 4 times the devs. The finals is doing a much better job than them in every single aspect I can think of, cadence of updates, creative, ambitious, etc. This game will not only survive, but it will THRIVE.
@@Masface1 just saw the videos about Dusty’s confirmation, even more happy that my 45k estimate is completely dwarfed by the real amount. Also, the actual statement is that MAUs have never been below 300k, and that the average is 400-500k
@@julio1148 I see that you came back from dusty comments what are your thoughts about nexon being concerned then? insider-gaming.com/nexon-the-finals-not-performing/
@@Epitomy thanks gor the article! It seems like Asia is underperforming which we’ve known due to the cheater issue being pronounced in that region. Keep in mind that they were still profitable, they just missed their forecast, which was likely too optimistic since their only data was their viral launch. Keep in mind, Nexon’s recent revenue this last quarter surpassed the previous 4, which they do attribute to The Finals and Dave the Diver.
Be VERY careful as to how WE contribute to the narrative of the game. The game is far from dead. It "suffered" from a viral launch, and the unrealistic expectations of maintaining and growing such a large audience turns the conversation to "why did everyone leave." Well, it's simple, they wanted to check it out. Game is less than six months old, made by a team of less than a hundred (there is another game in their pipeline in full production). The fact that it exploded on launch is the anomaly. On steam it is finding a "plateau" of 15k players. It is a fair estimate that including consoles the total player count is 45k+ (assuming there's the same amount of console players, which is rarely the case) For a "baby" game like this, each update compounds in content to the previous. Think of how much the game has gotten since launch in less than 6 months: 2 maps with new dynamic events (and their maps are not trivial additions too) 4 guns and 4 gadgets Monthly events with free cosmetics 2 new game modes (both within the same season, won't be including solo bank it tested in S1) Again, these things compound upon each other. It's 45k+ players now, I'm more interested in seeing how it grows after a year. Their cadence of updates is ahead of what I've seen on any other *launch*.
plateau was at high 20s, now its under 20 as of this month, not much of a plateau, more like a slow dwindling, this is after all the new content. have you not experienced obvious cheaters? have you not experienced 5 stacks of one class that are untouchable? or shooting first and landing many headshots only to be killed? or gone into the store to buy and outfit and seeing the cheapest one is over 15 bucks? new content over optimization or balance is not a great idea long term imo. i see what your saying but you listed half a dozen positives, when there are over a dozen negatives.
these videos are part of the problem too if someone tries to search up the game on youtube or google, they probably wont be willing to join a game that keeps getting dragged for low player counts negativity is not the answer, this game has passionate devs and a very strong playerbase, something that many people wish to be a part of, considering how unintedactive most of the other games devs are.
I can't deny that these types of videos have a negative impact on the game, but if the game was good "state", these types of videos wouldn't be made in the first place. The lack of content in the game has brought these videos to the limelight because it's a hot topic. At the moment, nothing about the game is hot right now and i'm sorry if you dont agree but the damage was already done before these videos. I just want to say this before people start criticizing me. I absolutely love everything about Embark and the finals. However, there is something that is not quite clicking and I wanted to address this to my viewers. I have been here from the beginning and will remain even during the tough times because I genuinely love the game
@@Epitomyyou are the problem, your click baity title, about it dying. You and every other youtuber. Get off the game then if thats how you feel, don't destroy it with your false narrative.
The issue is it's just not enjoyable for people who aren't good at fast paced games or it's just you done everything in it and are waiting for the next season
I don't feel that it's a fast paced game. At least not compared to titanfall or warzone( slide cancel+stims). What kill the game for me after 180 hours were the heavies. I grew tired of dealing with their mesh shield, high hp and the healer that usually was behind them.
3 stacks and 5 stacks of one class, basically exploiting healing, shields, or invisibility, obvious cheaters snapping to heads getting 2 or 3x the damage then anyone else but having no game sense if you watch them move or use their gadgets, no way to find steam account through game and having numerous items that give walls, basically hiding cheaters with walls. invisible structures when buildings fall, getting stuck on things that you shouldnt be stuck on from just looking at the wall or lamp post etc. keep seeing people saying the monetization is good, HOW? wanna get an all black swat outfit? 20 dollars. What about an orange prison outfit? 15 dollars. giant spoon for heavy melee? 10 dollars. almost 200 hours and i have acquired just about 1k to buy stuff. so 200 hours=10 dollars to spend, thats just too low imo, cant even afford the cheapest outfit. playing solo is horrible, solo players overwhelmingly do not know what class to choose, where to position themselves, snipers never counter snipe cause its not easy pickings on kill steals. The explosive barrels take like 7 or more shots to explode causing them to be useless in most time sensitive cases, sniping with some shotguns, healing through walls, names and health bars sometimes showing up through fire, smoke and even walls sometimes, i personally have killed dozens of people cause the game for some reason let me track them through things i shouldnt have been able to, again hiding cheaters by giving some players a temporary advantage. spawns that decide the outcome of the game, 30 seconds to get to cashout, but you spawn a mile away meaning it will take you more than a minute of running just to get back to the action. snipers and invis should be gone imo, too cheesy, and encourages non team play, cant change class in game, should be allowed at least one change, often i accidentally spawn in as wrong class due to joining mid game or tabbing out for a couple seconds, maybe 30 seconds after choosing you should be able to change. its a shame cause its a fun game, but its also infuriating and confusing experience half the time. also due to low player count now, under 20k, very few new players, overwhelmingly very good players and cheaters left, meaning anyone new doesn't have a chance. its a death spiral. they focused on new content which is good but havent smoothed over gameplay and balanced well enough to keep this game a float. my guess is it has 6 months left or so, maybe less. sad.
Issue is this game is all about teammate which is none existant in solo queue ,just for you go to against a team with ranks beyond your league 3 stacking who do you think has the advantage you or them?
Unfortunately, The Finals has a very brief 'expiration' date; we'll have a new COD by the end of the year, and GTA 6 is coming soon. All of this will drain the playerbase, leaving almost no one behind. It's the game I love the most, and every day that passes, I see it dying, especially here in Brazil where we hardly have any content creators for it, let alone ranked matches.
@@GloGangPromoterr as I'm writing this Warzone has 90k online and the finals 13k on steam charts. The problem with the finals is the absoulte team dependance and having such high TTK. Solo queueing is a horrible XP
@@Fixer48 that's what i thought because my games from a month ago where my kd was 2.67 does not look the same as now with my 3.26 kd people play for the win in bank it everytime full stack almost imposible to get more than 15 kills average on games makes me want to quit
At this point its kind of sad to say, but I doubt this game will ever be bigger than it is now as it is a very niche game, and as once the hype dies out for a game it becomes increasingly hard to revive it, especially with other games such as Cod BO5 right around the corner. I've spent a lot of time and money in this game, and its kind of sad to see that such a unique and fun game is going to waste.
Man don’t nobody play COD anymore game not even 6 months old yall gotta be patient and stop saying everything is “dying” cause it’s not sure the player count is down but they can easily do something major to get half the players back with s3
Man I love this game as well, I have about 250 hours on this game, been since the first beta. I wont stop playing until the servers close (hopefully they never close). I think the reason of the decline in players is because of the lack of progression (outside of ranked). If they had implemented a version of the weekly cosmetics you can get for free now during season 1 I think it could have kept lots more players. The annoying things such as nukes, invis, and stun gun just added to the players not having motivation to play.
I love everything about the finals since the early days, and I completely agree with your comments. However, I don't think the servers will close anytime soon, and I don't think it has reached that stage yet. I believe Embark and Nexon won't let that happen.
@@Wavedashnoir stop lying Pinocchio unless you are playing on Xbox I can find ranked tournament in less then 1 minute with cross play off on ps5 you must of got a crap internet
I love the finals. It’s super fun. I played most of season 1. I did lose interest though. Main reason for me was game modes. Not enough of them and the game play started to feel repetitive.
For any controller players and even console players who understand this term "it feels like syrup between my thumb sticks!" That is simply why I don't play the game. Reasons why I don't play apex legends. I can't track targets with my thumb the way I want to instead to counter that I have to jitter. Plus there isn't anything special about the game except you can break building but that really isn't much of anything since siege you can play floors and walls too so not that much different with the exception you can take down an entire building in the finals. Don't get me wrong that's pretty fuckin cool but there isn't really anything there and will keep me for long. I was having a good time for the first few weeks when it released, slowly got irritated about how bad the aiming was on that game. I never had an issue with how a game felt and it just made me more leaning towards not playing it because there isn't really anything special about this game. I hope they bring something into the game and if I see people going back I'll most likely do the same and just work something out with the aim in the settings and just have to deal with it but for the past 5 months since I last played I asked some people on my friends list if they would still play after I saw them on and months later haven't seen them on since. I have a small friend list btw so I see mostly what they are on, and it's not the finals
Nice video! Just one comment: THE FINALS doesn't have many maps because Embark is mainly composed by ex-Battlefield (Dice) developers. They follow the same philosophy as BFV; few maps that focus on quality and memorable areas. Still, valid point. Having only 5 maps (Because let's face it, SYS$HORIZON has no textures and Skyway Stadium is just reusing of Monaco/Seoul assets) is really repetitive, especially with them being so small concentrated with some areas of the map never being traversed.
Its normal for a game to lose a lot of its inflated playerbase at the peak of its popularity. The finals has actually done well to retain so many of its players over such a long time when many other games released more recently have lost a greater % and are still considered successful (last epoch). Still, they ruined battle pass xp in season 2 and so ive never returned to the game since i first saw that.
I got it and spent 30 hours grinding the battle pass and I just got tired of it fast and try to hop on again but it’s just really boring to me now. The search and attack mode really wasn’t fun for me at all free for all or regular team death match would have been amazing
It lost popularity because there were a ton of imbalanced stuff back in season one, a lot of cheaters running rampant in all gamemodes. Despite these things being ironed out, people dont want to come back, even though the game is SO MUCH FUN! About a 100 hours in and it still has its charm. One of the main things about the game (other than the things you mentioned) is the additude you approach it with. If you play with a "have fun" mindset you will definitely enjoy it, but if you rage over every death you will suffer playing. Just play video games to have fun
I played for 240 hours in season 1 but after hitting max level theres just not motivation to play, theres no progression, gamemodes get repetitive, theres no majour goal and nothing to show for spending that much time in game, its a reason area shooters mostly died out
I completely agree. I briefly mentioned that getting the diamond skin on the finals doesn't feel rewarding. It's more of a time sink than a measure of skill.
Ignore fan boys saying you are hurting the game, you are being honest and the charts and my friends confirm your concerns. Its free to play so no shit people will play it, but is it growing, or slowing? I see and experience a dying game as well.
My problem is that’s it’s way to sweaty, I had fun in the beginning with my friends when everyone was still kinda figuring it out, but now it’s way to high skill to be able to have any fun. I miss the nukes and being able to just hop in, have some fun and not have to try super hard.
I honestly don't believe this game is fully released yet. They just released it early because of how unbelievably successfully the open beta was. Let them cook the game won't die. It still get over 60k players a day including console. Game is very much alive still.
I play it from time to time, I also played the beta, honestly my biggest problems are maps and game modes, too few and too similar. The base is very solid they just needed to create more content. Also skins and BattlePass are not good. FP camera doesn't go well with skins and skins have been terrible since a few months back, only recently I saw interesting ones. Also characters have a very weird shape, there is something off about them, almost as if they are a deformed, I don't know, it puts me off somehow.
for me whyits failing is because, the balance between different build is bad and embark is mostly focusing on melee based combat rather than using guns
I loved tjis game and the idea But for god sake ,one game mod , huge maps , small team , only team oriented , poor loadouts i can go on Nothing to grind 😴
The problem in the game was people cheating and the maps became terribly boring. As for weapons, I still have about 800 hours on the game, but it's getting boring, skins are expensive, there are some rare skins that you can get and then sell or exchange with someone, that would be cool
I love this game. but I've only just got gold and I'm being pit against plat and diamond players mostly. They've also just nerfed. the stun gun far too much, previously if you stunned an enemy a lot of the time they could jusat hip fire you down because lights are so squishy. They've just nerfed it far too hard. I think most people leave this game behind because it's too fast paced and team orientated for your average gamer and there is no "chill" mode for non competitive people. However as someone with ADHD it's just pure dopamine !
This is what happens in game developement. It is normal. We do not see it as normal because we see other big successful AAA games that have stable player bases. However it is a free game which will keep it alive and fourishing we have nothing to worry. Lots of us love it and the haters also love it so much they want to make their own changes to love it more.
They patched too many things. The game should have embraced some of the exploits like nukes or grapple rockets. Instead they patched it all out and the game became boring. Also why no capture the flag game mode. lol
It's the game modes probably 😅.... Terminal was cool ...plus the class wise i don't mind it very much ...but it feind off players due to restrictions of flexibility on types of guns u wanna run with
Honestly, here's why I stopped playing the game: Me: "Okay, it's 5 pm on a Friday night, I've got a few hours to kill...what, it's 2 am Sunday morning!?! Where did the time go?" Yeah, spent too much time playing it. So I had to cut back.
I played the beta, me and my friends say from day one the light need to be nerfed, cloaking is the biggest issue, let say you are new and wanna try the game. You constantly getting killed by invicible players, you leave the game, all the counter plays against the lights are gone
They cannot balance 3 classes and 20 weapons, this game is supposed to be competitive. But there are too much cheaters and light class is useless along with sniper, sword and throwing daggers. They optimize game for casual players and skill is not rewarded. Really liked the game and thought it had lot of potential, devs just killed it.
The game is doing just fine, the okayer numbers are up again after the new mode. I even brought some friends back as well. The issue for me is the design of weapons and the balance changes -weapon design: each weapon has a high ceiling of entry and mastery. A new player or one returning to the game from other shooters may only land 4 bullets of an entire mag on a medium assault rifle, which doesn't feel good at all. A player who has mastered the weapon will land nearly all their shots, really decreasing the fun for new or casual players. -the weapons are designed primarily for close range combat, however some weapons like the sniper with cross map range can become an issue. When weapons are nerfed, it's almost always lets reduce both effective range and the damage. -balance changes: at first, I was excited to have balance addressed weekly, while some changes were good, it started sucking out the effectiveness and fun with the weapons. What I used to be able to do last week will make me lose the fight and die, only because the weapon underperformes for the muscle memory. This ended up being the primary driver for why I took a break from the game. -still, as a heavy player from the beta through season 1, I no longer like any weapon the heavy has. My ssa12 is garbage, rhe flamethrower is fun but weak and has too short range and I don't care for the others. Lights actually have been my favorite recently as I had little experience with the weapons so I don't notice a nerf. -many of my friends got to a point where we just wanted them to revert back to the beta, this time knowing stun gun was a fair trade off for the RPG damage.
Obviously, team objectives I am not feeling every day, and will prioritize challenges over wins. Matchmaking is also an issue, getting a win in 20 power shift games for what should be a 50/50 w/L ratio is insane. I still can find a way to enjoy the game, but often enough something happens where I have less fun than more fun. I like where the player numbers are and unless they really make something worse I have no plans to abandon the game, but if it becomes to unfun, them I'll play other things for a while.
Dropped below 20k on steam consistently as of this month, after the new content. I see same player almost every game. You playing on console or something? You mean the balance changes made the one or two guns that you used constantly to be less OP? Lmao
imo the game is really good but if you don't like the "get third partied" game mode / team wipe + 25 second respawn time, you just wont be able to get into it. Its a super tilting game, and that makes people who arent addicted not play. Legit if they add a TDM mode with 0 respawn time 10k+ returning players ez
This game has gotten so competitive lately its absolutely tremendous i cant get one single kill becuase how dam try hard the game is i quit the game because it wastes my time by getting killed 24/7
Sbmm and the harsh nerf to aim assist on console ruined it for me. This shooter is super bad ass and hard asf the master. I hope it thrives. Also solo que is terrible and voice chat is broken
When I first picked up the game I loved it. I thought it would be the next best thing, and compete with Call Of Duty. Then I realized multiple issues that caused me to stop playing. The game isn't casual friendly at all. Any game that has a huge skill gap will decrease in players because casual gamers won't play. The base game just has a huge skill gap with multiple ways to play. Reminds me of Valorant; where If I'm not playing this game everyday, keeping up with what guns are meta or not, I'll get destroyed. The gamemodes themselves are competitive. It's not like Call Of Duty where you can pick it up, eliminate people and call it a day. The game is super competitive and you have silly challenges in it like "do 1500 damage with melees", "insert cashbox, 3 times". When you play to win but then your teammates are trying to do their weekly, or daily challenges that hinders your chances of winning, it becomes un-fun for the player trying to win. I like the game modes they add, they are exciting to me, the cosmetics are really great and unique. The base game overall is really unique with the destruction. I was super happy and excited about the free for all mode. Then they took it out and never released it again. Which leads me to my next point. The OVER reliance on having good teammates frustrated me too much. I felt like the enemy always understood how to play or were queued together; then my teammates were always clueless and not good. I really think the random teammates ruined it for me, when I played with 2 other friends that's when I played it the most. I dread queuing into the game because I NEVER win. The enemies are always the best, and it seems my teammates don't understand how to play. I wish there was a solo rank mode but I understand there isn't enough players for that. Solo queue experience in this game is horrible. This is what's killing it in my opinion. You NEED friends to win, unless you're really good. A lot of my friends don't want to play it, and that leads me to not enjoy it as a solo player.
Skill based games scare lot's of people away look what happened to Spellbreak ! This game is too big to ignore it's literally the most unique shooter out right now, the only real issue is PC cheaters & Cronus.
The game isnt just going to die off of embarks back lol. As long as the devs dont give up on it, the game will not die. And with season 3 right around the corner. I think its going to make a comeback pretty soon. Yall doomsday contrnt creators gotta be more patient lol.
I dropped game because of spawn mechanic and how u get points. When def ur point against 2 teams it feels TOO CHAOTIC and u don't feel what's happening around. When someone stole ur cashout on last second, it feels like you've been cheated
cba to watch the hole vid but no the game isnt dying and no its not dead it has around 70k concurrent players theyre game blew up and it was crazy BUT THIS GAME IS MADE BY A SMALL COMPONY THIS GAME WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAVE 150k plus players this game sitting at 40-70k players is great embark is still in theyre testing faze its not a AAA multimillion compony that can pump out dog content every 5 seconds everything they have added has been great the game wont die let embark cook im sick of hearing people say this game is dying it puts a bad name on the game and all these vids just add towards the negativity no game ever has kept its orignal playerbase on release plus they are working on another game rn
Did you know that before these type of video was released, the playerbase had decreased by 70% who's at fault here? Also, do you think that having around 1000 viewers on Twitch is a good sign for a game that's less than 6 months old? I understand if you didn't get that far into the video, but it's virtually impossible for small streamers or content creators to grow with this game now. go to twitch and tell me if my title is wrong thats all i ask
@@Epitomy imo the main reason this game died is attention spans for games and they would rather play just a ok game like mw3 or apex etc and they would rather go back to a game they are good at and aswell imo xdefenit is going to die basically instantly but I do agree that it’s bad for a game to have that low of a veiwer count twitch has always been dominated by large other games and I don’t see that changing for long periods of time anytime soon
back when I was playing Black Ops 2 and MW3 after school on Steam, daily average user was around 2 to 5K. Hearing people talk about games dying when it has 10K+ concurrent players confuses me. These types of videos don’t help at all in my opinion.
By far my fav online shooter, wont die. Too good to die. Seeing this now "old" footage makes me sad tho, the current update made the game much less fun to play.
Making games like this is making the games scenario MUCH WORSE. If you actually love the game you won’t make clickbaitey games like this and feed into it for views. Honestly pathetic… The game still has a long future, just because the player base is low doesn’t mean it’s not going to survive…. The dev team is dedicated to make the game better, and the player base is rampant for who still plays the game actively.. take the damn video down. It’s pathetic and pointless….
Me personally, I don't like the maps design. Little less obstacle course and more tactical terrain including vehicles would be better. Like a bank robbery in a movie feel. The player models are just down rite sh_tty pandering jokes, they should be more like tactical looking and much less fruity. Pacing sucks too the time to kill is terrible!
@@beeckmansb is that supposed to be a lot? It’s less than a 1/10 of the original players plus it’s just gonna keep going down because content wise it’s stale asf
@@SpectreOps yeah but you are claiming that its already dead, that makes no sence if there are still 18.000 people playing it and you neither dont know the future so stop saying it will be dead...
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I'm playing a game that has 5k players on steam, had around the same peak players as the finals at launch (250k+), is about 3.5 years old, and the studio employs more than 4 times the devs. The finals is doing a much better job than them in every single aspect I can think of, cadence of updates, creative, ambitious, etc. This game will not only survive, but it will THRIVE.
Thats the true Thing thats i created my Channel for only thefinals !
The official embark account on Reddit said they have 300k daily players. Not playing at that moment but who that logged in
@@Masface1 just saw the videos about Dusty’s confirmation, even more happy that my 45k estimate is completely dwarfed by the real amount. Also, the actual statement is that MAUs have never been below 300k, and that the average is 400-500k
@@julio1148 I see that you came back from dusty comments what are your thoughts about nexon being concerned then? insider-gaming.com/nexon-the-finals-not-performing/
@@Epitomy thanks gor the article! It seems like Asia is underperforming which we’ve known due to the cheater issue being pronounced in that region.
Keep in mind that they were still profitable, they just missed their forecast, which was likely too optimistic since their only data was their viral launch.
Keep in mind, Nexon’s recent revenue this last quarter surpassed the previous 4, which they do attribute to The Finals and Dave the Diver.
Be VERY careful as to how WE contribute to the narrative of the game.
The game is far from dead. It "suffered" from a viral launch, and the unrealistic expectations of maintaining and growing such a large audience turns the conversation to "why did everyone leave." Well, it's simple, they wanted to check it out.
Game is less than six months old, made by a team of less than a hundred (there is another game in their pipeline in full production).
The fact that it exploded on launch is the anomaly.
On steam it is finding a "plateau" of 15k players. It is a fair estimate that including consoles the total player count is 45k+ (assuming there's the same amount of console players, which is rarely the case)
For a "baby" game like this, each update compounds in content to the previous. Think of how much the game has gotten since launch in less than 6 months:
2 maps with new dynamic events (and their maps are not trivial additions too)
4 guns and 4 gadgets
Monthly events with free cosmetics
2 new game modes (both within the same season, won't be including solo bank it tested in S1)
Again, these things compound upon each other.
It's 45k+ players now, I'm more interested in seeing how it grows after a year.
Their cadence of updates is ahead of what I've seen on any other *launch*.
Well said
plateau was at high 20s, now its under 20 as of this month, not much of a plateau, more like a slow dwindling, this is after all the new content. have you not experienced obvious cheaters? have you not experienced 5 stacks of one class that are untouchable? or shooting first and landing many headshots only to be killed? or gone into the store to buy and outfit and seeing the cheapest one is over 15 bucks? new content over optimization or balance is not a great idea long term imo. i see what your saying but you listed half a dozen positives, when there are over a dozen negatives.
these videos are part of the problem too
if someone tries to search up the game on youtube or google, they probably wont be willing to join a game that keeps getting dragged for low player counts
negativity is not the answer, this game has passionate devs and a very strong playerbase, something that many people wish to be a part of, considering how unintedactive most of the other games devs are.
I can't deny that these types of videos have a negative impact on the game, but if the game was good "state", these types of videos wouldn't be made in the first place. The lack of content in the game has brought these videos to the limelight because it's a hot topic. At the moment, nothing about the game is hot right now and i'm sorry if you dont agree but the damage was already done before these videos.
I just want to say this before people start criticizing me. I absolutely love everything about Embark and the finals. However, there is something that is not quite clicking and I wanted to address this to my viewers. I have been here from the beginning and will remain even during the tough times because I genuinely love the game
@@Epitomy you shouldn't make videos like this
@@Epitomyyou are the problem, your click baity title, about it dying. You and every other youtuber. Get off the game then if thats how you feel, don't destroy it with your false narrative.
@@jordankelly4684 can you tell me whats clickbait about my title!
@@runnin_myles8098 cringe
The issue is it's just not enjoyable for people who aren't good at fast paced games or it's just you done everything in it and are waiting for the next season
I understand your frustrations! I can imagine quite a few people have mentioned this in the discord
I don't feel that it's a fast paced game. At least not compared to titanfall or warzone( slide cancel+stims).
What kill the game for me after 180 hours were the heavies. I grew tired of dealing with their mesh shield, high hp and the healer that usually was behind them.
im playing the finals from Open Beta, and honestly really sad to hear this.. hopefully embark can bringing the hype back for the finals
3 stacks and 5 stacks of one class, basically exploiting healing, shields, or invisibility, obvious cheaters snapping to heads getting 2 or 3x the damage then anyone else but having no game sense if you watch them move or use their gadgets, no way to find steam account through game and having numerous items that give walls, basically hiding cheaters with walls. invisible structures when buildings fall, getting stuck on things that you shouldnt be stuck on from just looking at the wall or lamp post etc.
keep seeing people saying the monetization is good, HOW?
wanna get an all black swat outfit? 20 dollars. What about an orange prison outfit? 15 dollars. giant spoon for heavy melee? 10 dollars. almost 200 hours and i have acquired just about 1k to buy stuff. so 200 hours=10 dollars to spend, thats just too low imo, cant even afford the cheapest outfit.
playing solo is horrible, solo players overwhelmingly do not know what class to choose, where to position themselves, snipers never counter snipe cause its not easy pickings on kill steals. The explosive barrels take like 7 or more shots to explode causing them to be useless in most time sensitive cases, sniping with some shotguns, healing through walls, names and health bars sometimes showing up through fire, smoke and even walls sometimes, i personally have killed dozens of people cause the game for some reason let me track them through things i shouldnt have been able to, again hiding cheaters by giving some players a temporary advantage. spawns that decide the outcome of the game, 30 seconds to get to cashout, but you spawn a mile away meaning it will take you more than a minute of running just to get back to the action. snipers and invis should be gone imo, too cheesy, and encourages non team play, cant change class in game, should be allowed at least one change, often i accidentally spawn in as wrong class due to joining mid game or tabbing out for a couple seconds, maybe 30 seconds after choosing you should be able to change.
its a shame cause its a fun game, but its also infuriating and confusing experience half the time.
also due to low player count now, under 20k, very few new players, overwhelmingly very good players and cheaters left, meaning anyone new doesn't have a chance. its a death spiral.
they focused on new content which is good but havent smoothed over gameplay and balanced well enough to keep this game a float. my guess is it has 6 months left or so, maybe less. sad.
Oh yea, every start of the game i use the hello emote, when nobody responds, like 90% chance of loss, no communication, no pings and definite loss.
@@criticalcandor you said it all brother. Love the game unfortunately i'm playin solo queueing and it's horrible
You played 200 hours tho
Buy the battlepass and you will get more then 1k in 200 hours lol what do you expect.
Issue is this game is all about teammate which is none existant in solo queue ,just for you go to against a team with ranks beyond your league 3 stacking who do you think has the advantage you or them?
Unfortunately, The Finals has a very brief 'expiration' date; we'll have a new COD by the end of the year, and GTA 6 is coming soon. All of this will drain the playerbase, leaving almost no one behind.
It's the game I love the most, and every day that passes, I see it dying, especially here in Brazil where we hardly have any content creators for it, let alone ranked matches.
It definitely don’t have an expiration date yall just gotta be patient & don’t nobody play COD anymore anyways
GTA6 won't be coming out on PC yet though.
@@GloGangPromoterr as I'm writing this Warzone has 90k online and the finals 13k on steam charts. The problem with the finals is the absoulte team dependance and having such high TTK. Solo queueing is a horrible XP
COD won’t draw players away but gta 6 will with any other game lol. This game is too unique for it too die
The beta had no skill based matchmaking and it did super well but when they launched and added it it turned people off
I know that the skill-based matchmaking was adjusted during the Christmas period and this caused some players to stop playing.
is there really sbmm ?
@@franckbringand8706 yes
@@Fixer48 that's what i thought because my games from a month ago where my kd was 2.67 does not look the same as now with my 3.26 kd people play for the win in bank it everytime full stack almost imposible to get more than 15 kills average on games makes me want to quit
Embark said Since launch they never dropped below 300k DAU(daily active users) with all platforms combined
At this point its kind of sad to say, but I doubt this game will ever be bigger than it is now as it is a very niche game, and as once the hype dies out for a game it becomes increasingly hard to revive it, especially with other games such as Cod BO5 right around the corner. I've spent a lot of time and money in this game, and its kind of sad to see that such a unique and fun game is going to waste.
They can definitely stop the sinking ship, but it will require a lot. Only time will tell, but I still have hope!
Man don’t nobody play COD anymore game not even 6 months old yall gotta be patient and stop saying everything is “dying” cause it’s not sure the player count is down but they can easily do something major to get half the players back with s3
We need something to work towards.
Casuals and intense players both don’t have something to chase
Man I love this game as well, I have about 250 hours on this game, been since the first beta. I wont stop playing until the servers close (hopefully they never close). I think the reason of the decline in players is because of the lack of progression (outside of ranked). If they had implemented a version of the weekly cosmetics you can get for free now during season 1 I think it could have kept lots more players. The annoying things such as nukes, invis, and stun gun just added to the players not having motivation to play.
I love everything about the finals since the early days, and I completely agree with your comments. However, I don't think the servers will close anytime soon, and I don't think it has reached that stage yet. I believe Embark and Nexon won't let that happen.
It’s simple. The game is not very fun for solos (60% of player pool). Quicker health regen would improve things dramatically.
just tired of my teamates doing sidequest during ranked
🤣 haha this comments man! i feel your pain
I want to play ranked but all my friends are always doing r6. Sad😢
Cant even find a ranked game without playing with crossplay on
you on console btw?
@@Epitomy yes
@@Wavedashnoir stop lying Pinocchio unless you are playing on Xbox I can find ranked tournament in less then 1 minute with cross play off on ps5 you must of got a crap internet
I love the finals. It’s super fun. I played most of season 1. I did lose interest though. Main reason for me was game modes. Not enough of them and the game play started to feel repetitive.
I agree that the lack of game modes and maps can be a mood killer, especially when you encounter cheaters on top of that.
For any controller players and even console players who understand this term "it feels like syrup between my thumb sticks!" That is simply why I don't play the game. Reasons why I don't play apex legends. I can't track targets with my thumb the way I want to instead to counter that I have to jitter. Plus there isn't anything special about the game except you can break building but that really isn't much of anything since siege you can play floors and walls too so not that much different with the exception you can take down an entire building in the finals. Don't get me wrong that's pretty fuckin cool but there isn't really anything there and will keep me for long. I was having a good time for the first few weeks when it released, slowly got irritated about how bad the aiming was on that game. I never had an issue with how a game felt and it just made me more leaning towards not playing it because there isn't really anything special about this game. I hope they bring something into the game and if I see people going back I'll most likely do the same and just work something out with the aim in the settings and just have to deal with it but for the past 5 months since I last played I asked some people on my friends list if they would still play after I saw them on and months later haven't seen them on since. I have a small friend list btw so I see mostly what they are on, and it's not the finals
I remember watching ur vids last October ❤
Nice video! Just one comment:
THE FINALS doesn't have many maps because Embark is mainly composed by ex-Battlefield (Dice) developers. They follow the same philosophy as BFV; few maps that focus on quality and memorable areas. Still, valid point. Having only 5 maps (Because let's face it, SYS$HORIZON has no textures and Skyway Stadium is just reusing of Monaco/Seoul assets) is really repetitive, especially with them being so small concentrated with some areas of the map never being traversed.
Its normal for a game to lose a lot of its inflated playerbase at the peak of its popularity.
The finals has actually done well to retain so many of its players over such a long time when many other games released more recently have lost a greater % and are still considered successful (last epoch).
Still, they ruined battle pass xp in season 2 and so ive never returned to the game since i first saw that.
I got it and spent 30 hours grinding the battle pass and I just got tired of it fast and try to hop on again but it’s just really boring to me now. The search and attack mode really wasn’t fun for me at all free for all or regular team death match would have been amazing
It lost popularity because there were a ton of imbalanced stuff back in season one, a lot of cheaters running rampant in all gamemodes. Despite these things being ironed out, people dont want to come back, even though the game is SO MUCH FUN! About a 100 hours in and it still has its charm. One of the main things about the game (other than the things you mentioned) is the additude you approach it with. If you play with a "have fun" mindset you will definitely enjoy it, but if you rage over every death you will suffer playing. Just play video games to have fun
I still have hope for it, even though now I'm super hyped for TFD
I played for 240 hours in season 1 but after hitting max level theres just not motivation to play, theres no progression, gamemodes get repetitive, theres no majour goal and nothing to show for spending that much time in game, its a reason area shooters mostly died out
Getting to diamond is the main goal, and once you get there you get a diamond skin to show off.
I completely agree. I briefly mentioned that getting the diamond skin on the finals doesn't feel rewarding. It's more of a time sink than a measure of skill.
That’s season 1 tho s2 has way more & longer content s1 battle pass was too short
Ignore fan boys saying you are hurting the game, you are being honest and the charts and my friends confirm your concerns. Its free to play so no shit people will play it, but is it growing, or slowing? I see and experience a dying game as well.
My problem is that’s it’s way to sweaty, I had fun in the beginning with my friends when everyone was still kinda figuring it out, but now it’s way to high skill to be able to have any fun. I miss the nukes and being able to just hop in, have some fun and not have to try super hard.
I honestly don't believe this game is fully released yet. They just released it early because of how unbelievably successfully the open beta was. Let them cook the game won't die. It still get over 60k players a day including console. Game is very much alive still.
60k players? Pretty sure the numbers are around 30knand below on steam ( trust me I've been watching )
@@SpaceCowBoyRay "including console"
you don't have the information to see how many players are on console.
@@SpaceCowBoyRay and what about you then? where do you get youre information from xD?
@@beeckmansb ah steam charts?
I play it from time to time, I also played the beta, honestly my biggest problems are maps and game modes, too few and too similar. The base is very solid they just needed to create more content. Also skins and BattlePass are not good. FP camera doesn't go well with skins and skins have been terrible since a few months back, only recently I saw interesting ones. Also characters have a very weird shape, there is something off about them, almost as if they are a deformed, I don't know, it puts me off somehow.
I never mind buying cosmetics in this game. I have a ton of them, I think the money is truly going to pay off with future updates
The problem is that embark has shitty publicity. They don’t make ads at all
game so good and smoothy, the only reason I don't play because i suck at it😢
for me whyits failing is because, the balance between different build is bad and embark is mostly focusing on melee based combat rather than using guns
I loved tjis game and the idea
But for god sake ,one game mod , huge maps , small team , only team oriented , poor loadouts i can go on
Nothing to grind 😴
The problem in the game was people cheating and the maps became terribly boring.
As for weapons, I still have about 800 hours on the game, but it's getting boring, skins are expensive, there are some rare skins that you can get and then sell or exchange with someone, that would be cool
I love this game. but I've only just got gold and I'm being pit against plat and diamond players mostly. They've also just nerfed. the stun gun far too much, previously if you stunned an enemy a lot of the time they could jusat hip fire you down because lights are so squishy. They've just nerfed it far too hard.
I think most people leave this game behind because it's too fast paced and team orientated for your average gamer and there is no "chill" mode for non competitive people. However as someone with ADHD it's just pure dopamine !
This is what happens in game developement. It is normal. We do not see it as normal because we see other big successful AAA games that have stable player bases. However it is a free game which will keep it alive and fourishing we have nothing to worry. Lots of us love it and the haters also love it so much they want to make their own changes to love it more.
They patched too many things. The game should have embraced some of the exploits like nukes or grapple rockets. Instead they patched it all out and the game became boring.
Also why no capture the flag game mode. lol
It's the game modes probably 😅.... Terminal was cool ...plus the class wise i don't mind it very much ...but it feind off players due to restrictions of flexibility on types of guns u wanna run with
dr disrespect talked to a little girl 😭
Shit like this is killing the game more than any core mechanic, stop bring so negative it wont die
the game lost 70 percent of the playerbase before these type of videos stop trying to blame content creators....
@@Epitomy it’s popular on console who cares about pc you lot just cheat
insider-gaming.com/nexon-the-finals-not-performing/ thoughts on nexon also saying the exact same shit as me? we going to blame them as well
Honestly, here's why I stopped playing the game:
Me: "Okay, it's 5 pm on a Friday night, I've got a few hours to kill...what, it's 2 am Sunday morning!?! Where did the time go?"
Yeah, spent too much time playing it. So I had to cut back.
I played the beta, me and my friends say from day one the light need to be nerfed, cloaking is the biggest issue, let say you are new and wanna try the game. You constantly getting killed by invicible players, you leave the game, all the counter plays against the lights are gone
They cannot balance 3 classes and 20 weapons, this game is supposed to be competitive. But there are too much cheaters and light class is useless along with sniper, sword and throwing daggers. They optimize game for casual players and skill is not rewarded. Really liked the game and thought it had lot of potential, devs just killed it.
The game is doing just fine, the okayer numbers are up again after the new mode. I even brought some friends back as well.
The issue for me is the design of weapons and the balance changes
-weapon design: each weapon has a high ceiling of entry and mastery. A new player or one returning to the game from other shooters may only land 4 bullets of an entire mag on a medium assault rifle, which doesn't feel good at all. A player who has mastered the weapon will land nearly all their shots, really decreasing the fun for new or casual players.
-the weapons are designed primarily for close range combat, however some weapons like the sniper with cross map range can become an issue. When weapons are nerfed, it's almost always lets reduce both effective range and the damage.
-balance changes: at first, I was excited to have balance addressed weekly, while some changes were good, it started sucking out the effectiveness and fun with the weapons. What I used to be able to do last week will make me lose the fight and die, only because the weapon underperformes for the muscle memory. This ended up being the primary driver for why I took a break from the game.
-still, as a heavy player from the beta through season 1, I no longer like any weapon the heavy has. My ssa12 is garbage, rhe flamethrower is fun but weak and has too short range and I don't care for the others. Lights actually have been my favorite recently as I had little experience with the weapons so I don't notice a nerf.
-many of my friends got to a point where we just wanted them to revert back to the beta, this time knowing stun gun was a fair trade off for the RPG damage.
Obviously, team objectives I am not feeling every day, and will prioritize challenges over wins.
Matchmaking is also an issue, getting a win in 20 power shift games for what should be a 50/50 w/L ratio is insane.
I still can find a way to enjoy the game, but often enough something happens where I have less fun than more fun.
I like where the player numbers are and unless they really make something worse I have no plans to abandon the game, but if it becomes to unfun, them I'll play other things for a while.
Dropped below 20k on steam consistently as of this month, after the new content. I see same player almost every game. You playing on console or something? You mean the balance changes made the one or two guns that you used constantly to be less OP? Lmao
imo the game is really good but if you don't like the "get third partied" game mode / team wipe + 25 second respawn time, you just wont be able to get into it. Its a super tilting game, and that makes people who arent addicted not play. Legit if they add a TDM mode with 0 respawn time 10k+ returning players ez
very true!
This game has gotten so competitive lately its absolutely tremendous i cant get one single kill becuase how dam try hard the game is i quit the game because it wastes my time by getting killed 24/7
Sbmm and the harsh nerf to aim assist on console ruined it for me. This shooter is super bad ass and hard asf the master. I hope it thrives. Also solo que is terrible and voice chat is broken
To me the sbmm just killed it ..took all the fun out i had with the beta.. every game is a sweat fest
When I first picked up the game I loved it. I thought it would be the next best thing, and compete with Call Of Duty. Then I realized multiple issues that caused me to stop playing.
The game isn't casual friendly at all. Any game that has a huge skill gap will decrease in players because casual gamers won't play. The base game just has a huge skill gap with multiple ways to play. Reminds me of Valorant; where If I'm not playing this game everyday, keeping up with what guns are meta or not, I'll get destroyed. The gamemodes themselves are competitive. It's not like Call Of Duty where you can pick it up, eliminate people and call it a day.
The game is super competitive and you have silly challenges in it like "do 1500 damage with melees", "insert cashbox, 3 times". When you play to win but then your teammates are trying to do their weekly, or daily challenges that hinders your chances of winning, it becomes un-fun for the player trying to win.
I like the game modes they add, they are exciting to me, the cosmetics are really great and unique. The base game overall is really unique with the destruction. I was super happy and excited about the free for all mode. Then they took it out and never released it again. Which leads me to my next point.
The OVER reliance on having good teammates frustrated me too much. I felt like the enemy always understood how to play or were queued together; then my teammates were always clueless and not good. I really think the random teammates ruined it for me, when I played with 2 other friends that's when I played it the most. I dread queuing into the game because I NEVER win. The enemies are always the best, and it seems my teammates don't understand how to play. I wish there was a solo rank mode but I understand there isn't enough players for that. Solo queue experience in this game is horrible. This is what's killing it in my opinion. You NEED friends to win, unless you're really good. A lot of my friends don't want to play it, and that leads me to not enjoy it as a solo player.
Skill based games scare lot's of people away look what happened to Spellbreak ! This game is too big to ignore it's literally the most unique shooter out right now, the only real issue is PC cheaters & Cronus.
The game isnt just going to die off of embarks back lol. As long as the devs dont give up on it, the game will not die. And with season 3 right around the corner. I think its going to make a comeback pretty soon. Yall doomsday contrnt creators gotta be more patient lol.
500 hours? Trust me buddy if this was your favorite game you'd have wayyy more hours 😭😭😭
I also have about 500hours in content as well trust me bro
If over 1000 hours in a game since December isn’t enough then I don’t think I’ll ever please you
The worst game I've ever played hands down
I dropped game because of spawn mechanic and how u get points. When def ur point against 2 teams it feels TOO CHAOTIC and u don't feel what's happening around. When someone stole ur cashout on last second, it feels like you've been cheated
Just because q games lose player's don't mean it dying
cba to watch the hole vid but no the game isnt dying and no its not dead it has around 70k concurrent players theyre game blew up and it was crazy BUT THIS GAME IS MADE BY A SMALL COMPONY THIS GAME WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAVE 150k plus players this game sitting at 40-70k players is great embark is still in theyre testing faze its not a AAA multimillion compony that can pump out dog content every 5 seconds everything they have added has been great the game wont die let embark cook im sick of hearing people say this game is dying it puts a bad name on the game and all these vids just add towards the negativity no game ever has kept its orignal playerbase on release plus they are working on another game rn
Did you know that before these type of video was released, the playerbase had decreased by 70% who's at fault here? Also, do you think that having around 1000 viewers on Twitch is a good sign for a game that's less than 6 months old? I understand if you didn't get that far into the video, but it's virtually impossible for small streamers or content creators to grow with this game now.
go to twitch and tell me if my title is wrong thats all i ask
@@Epitomy imo the main reason this game died is attention spans for games and they would rather play just a ok game like mw3 or apex etc and they would rather go back to a game they are good at and aswell imo xdefenit is going to die basically instantly but I do agree that it’s bad for a game to have that low of a veiwer count twitch has always been dominated by large other games and I don’t see that changing for long periods of time anytime soon
This game still having 15k to 20k players on steam alone on a market so hyper saturated with shooters is a miracle
Embark said Since launch they never dropped below 300k DAU(daily active users) with all platforms combined
@@xboxman1991bro that’s only counting daily logins. Current active users matters a lot more but ya still something to note
The finals has between 400,000 and 500,000 players and never dropped below 300,00 daily active players
"Nexon Reveals The Finals Isn't Performing As Well As Expected" so who telling the truth here
back when I was playing Black Ops 2 and MW3 after school on Steam, daily average user was around 2 to 5K. Hearing people talk about games dying when it has 10K+ concurrent players confuses me. These types of videos don’t help at all in my opinion.
DAU never got under 300k players since launch embark officially said it.
By far my fav online shooter, wont die. Too good to die.
Seeing this now "old" footage makes me sad tho, the current update made the game much less fun to play.
never heard about the game
You should try it out
If you don't like the game that means you're not good at it
Crazy how one of the best Tekken players doesn't like Tekken 8.
what's the point of being good if 70% of your matches are ruined by your teammates. Solo Q and casual gaming is impossible
Making games like this is making the games scenario MUCH WORSE. If you actually love the game you won’t make clickbaitey games like this and feed into it for views. Honestly pathetic… The game still has a long future, just because the player base is low doesn’t mean it’s not going to survive…. The dev team is dedicated to make the game better, and the player base is rampant for who still plays the game actively.. take the damn video down. It’s pathetic and pointless….
Me personally, I don't like the maps design. Little less obstacle course and more tactical terrain including vehicles would be better. Like a bank robbery in a movie feel.
The player models are just down rite sh_tty pandering jokes, they should be more like tactical looking and much less fruity.
Pacing sucks too the time to kill is terrible!
Wdym dying, shits been dead, it was a 1 day wonder
bruh currently on pc 18.000 people playing, not to speak of playerbase of console, are you like tripping?
@@beeckmansb is that supposed to be a lot? It’s less than a 1/10 of the original players plus it’s just gonna keep going down because content wise it’s stale asf
@@SpectreOps yeah but you are claiming that its already dead, that makes no sence if there are still 18.000 people playing it and you neither dont know the future so stop saying it will be dead...
@@beeckmansb it’s losing players every day 💀
@@SpectreOps last two days there are more players then before, stop spreading false information!
Stop whining