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@@randomhkitem I wouldn't be shocked if the reason their addon didn't procedurally generate the world was because the devs found a way to copy a portion of the world from the Java edition mod.
One even worse thing, this is catching attention so quick because it's Aether, a mod with millions of downloads (or more). Imagine this happening to a couple of small mod authors who spend hundreds or thousands of hours of their free time writing up a mod to improve the quality of life of modded players FOR FREE. Only to see their work being plagiarized and posted onto the market for $10. It must really leave a sour taste in the mouth doesn't it.
This is actually why kingbdogz and I were so passionate about getting this issue publicity. We don't really care too much about the Aether itself being ripped off, we can get by and we have enough of a platform for it to not heavily impact the reputation of our project. But there HAVE to be hundreds of smaller creators who are having their work blatantly stolen and sold for quick profit on the Bedrock marketplace. So ideally we'd like these issues actually fixed rather than simply drawing attention to our specific case.
@@alexandreaanderson514i agree it's horrible. but like, everyone's always wanted the ether mod on console, and the main devs don't want to do that, so🤷🏻♂️someone jumped at the opportunity i guess. i know it's not right, i'm only really saying this because i just realised this mod exists and i'm sadly just gonna have to buy & install it from the MC Marketplace😢but it'll be fun, and that's what people want, so at the same time it's kind of a missed opportunity for the developers. but one of the devs replied here, he seems like a legit guy who doesn't care about money but rather his passion for his craft, which is highly respectable and commendable. i guess they just wanted to work on aether II and porting it to new versions of MC instead of releasing it on the marketplace? if the devs were really all about capitalism and money (which they're clearly not), they would've seen the MC marketplace, and INSTANTLY decided to start working on it. i don't mean to sound rude i'm just a bit autistic sorry
I remember back in 1.5 and before the mods were just adding tiny things like carpets and horses, Aether was one of the revolutionary mods that inspired people to make larger mods that drastically change the game, and it may very well be the reason we have mods like Create, AE2, Twilight Forest, Botania, Thermal Expansions (rip) etc. Seeing this mod getting tossed around and disrespected hurts me deeply. I believe the original version is still available at curseforge in 1.5.2, Aether II in 1.7.2 and Aether reborn for fabric at 1.12. so we can't enjoy it in the newest versions of the game unfortunately
What does "Thermal Expansion (rip)" mean? Was it abandoned? If yes, then damn, it was one of my favourite Minecraft mods to exist, with tons of qol items (like the flux capacitors and these fluid capsule thingies), and the artwork in that mod felt very stylish for me.
@@Fafr they updated it to 1.16 but with tons of unusable items and they didn't even update thermal dynamics so we don't have the cables and pipes etc. wich makes it impossible to play without another mod
That really sucks. To think that someone would consider making a profit off someone else's work in the Marketplace when they're practically free on Java. The saddest thing about it is that the "Faithful" and "Aether" incidents were noticed because they have a large fan base. There could be other stolen projects on the Marketplace from smaller creators that have gone unnoticed
As a bedrock player it is incredibly frustrating to see what Mojang is doing to the game. For example in the recent update we just got shulker cloning and protection working against potions and they have just started developing spectated mode. Basic modes and functions of the game we don’t have some being worse than others like red stone and mob spawning. Also we see that Java will get updates that add bedrock exclusive features which is great but we very rarely see Java exclusive feature, it’s to the point where basic things are exiting to the community for features that should have been added months if not years back. Tl;dr 1.20 should be a parity update where they make the games basically identical
I remember going down the rabbit-hole of Reddit when I first found this out. I was following the situation in hopes to see the stolen mod get taken down, and I could not have been any happier when it finally got taken down. This stuff doesn't deserve to be on the Marketplace, and you have all my respect for spreading awareness about this.
It took me less than 3 seconds to research and determine that the copyright on Aether mod content is "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0". Permission to "share" and "remix" allows for fans to do quite a lot of transformative work using the base concepts, and still distribute it to others. But selling it, and without so much as hinting at the original creators, let alone contacting them for permission? That is *offensively* blatant intellectual property theft, and I will absolutely disregard any other content by SNDBX that I might ever have considered purchasing.
You know, in order to stir up Mojang and Microsoft, you need such anger from the players and an outflow of asset and attention to minecraft (yes, a paradox of the moment), so that Microsoft and Mojang finally start to monitor whatwhat is posted in the marketplace, and yes, hello from Russia, we have a popular Java edition
This really hits close to home for me as I was around in the early days of the aether mod making a point to support the mod to the best of my ability at the time. Seeing this..... disgrace.... feels personal
Yep. I recall watching TH-cam videos of it in early development. It has been a thing for a really long time. It's sad that Bedrock can't enjoy it without it being a copy.
I'm a (former) bedrock marketplace creator, and this sort of behavior is what has caused a lot of the team to drift away. We worked our asses off to make maps, mods, and other content only to see other teams get big by literally stealing other artists work. One thing I'll say, most of the marketplace is handled by MS, so that's where the crux of the issue lies. Basically only slightly better than Roblox creators stealing copywrite work Side note, I wish both bedrock and Java players would fight hard for parity, because there are glaring issues that need to be done.
so thats why, i can see a divide in behavior of mojang and microsoft, mojang does care for the community, but it seems microsoft imposes goals inwhich goes against what the community wants
@@charlestonianbuilder344 yeah, it's a shame. At first I was really excited to be on the MP, but that dwindled as I saw other teams get big off of nothing. To get on the MP, you or your team goes through the approval process and you work with a representative that's supposed to assist in things like quality assurance and what not before it gets put up. When there were fewer teams, it was a lot more stringent than now
If the marketplace has such a bad/nonexistent filter, what’s to stop people from putting a mod in there that adds some kind of RCE exploit, along with some functionality to cover it up, and then just going after anyone who uses it?
The thing with the Marketplace is that creators on the Marketplace have to be approved by Mojang to even have their work posted there. It's clear that they APPROVED this, looked it over, and simply figured that allowing someone else to make money off of a creation of their OWN EMPLOYEE was fine.
@@OverCAT83 it's not "The exploit" and RCE exploit is a form of exploit any application could be susceptible to without anyone knowing that would allow someone to run code of their choosing on your machine. C++ vs Java has nothing to do with it, it's about who's code you use.
This is so stupid because even a staff member at Mojang can't really do anything, hope that this someday gets fixed and I can't wait for your breakdown of it in May!
@@vukadinmc127 I’m sorry but I truly do not care about arguing with someone in an AntVenom comment section enough, consider this your win I don’t care I don’t want to read 4 paragraphs of information i don’t really care about
9:45 Bug-trackers and status tags vary from project to project. The "won't fix" tag is extremely poorly worded and sounds very insulting and hostile, I have always hated it. That said, in this case, they tagged your bug-report as wont-fix because it's a duplicate of another bug, someone else had already reported it. It doesn't mean they're not going to fix it, it means _your_ bug-report is now closed and they will update the original bug-report about this problem as they fix it. (Another instance of wont-fix confusion is when developers tag a bug as wont-fix for a _specific version_ because they won't be able to fix it in time for that release and will fix it later. For example, a bug in Firefox might be flagged as "89 wont-fix, 90 wont-fix, 91 affected" because they don't expect to be able to fix it for version 89 or 90 but will try to fix it for version 91.
I don’t even know about that one. There are tags for duplicate bugs so I assume they’d use that (In fact, they marked one of my bugs as a “Duplicate” of another despite me very clearly explaining how it is different) That being said, it would be down to what the official response was beyond that, as a bug I had marked as “Won’t fix” was because they’d have to “Re-write” a system relating to nbt data, despite the fact that that’s what you’re supposed to do when you have a fundamental flaw in a data structure
@@TheKnewGreg in the picture that AntVenom showed in the video, the issue status was marked as precisely "Duplicate (Won't Fix)". I work in software development as well and what my team considers best practice is linking duplicate bug reports to the originally reported one in order to avoid this confusion. This way, secondary reporters have a link to the bug that is associated with actual work being done.
This is true most of the time; unless a mod dev is shutting down useless bug reports (like people requesting features in an issue tracker when asked not to), and also when a mod author decides that the undesired result of a bug should stay or is intended.
glad this was addressed. there are so many java mods that are stolen without permission for bedrock that it is insane. most java players dont like bedrock for a multitude of reasons and i think this is one of the big ones other than just the marketplace itself.
The java edition is the main version of the game and it's the one that stood the test of time. If they had their way Microsoft would discontinue that version of the game entirely because they get no money after your purchase of the game. The bedrock edition became basically dead to me when they first added that marketplace button. That _Thing_ has no business in the game where everything from player skins to high quality community created and supported mods has always been free and available online in a safe way to freely download for you to costumize your game to your hearts content. Not to mention that the base java edition has way less bugs and can run much better than bedrock on a halfway desent pc with easy to use mods like Sodium or Optifine.
I'm going to have to see some stats on that last bit. Maybe it runs better if you have a decent PC, but if you have a bad PC (mine is from 2013 or so), bedrock is noticeably better. Even when you get 60 FPS in Java (which I usually do) there is microstutters from frametime differences, but Bedrock has consistent, smooth 60 FPS for me. I don't play bedrock much because I agree with the other part of this post, just pointing out the part I found inaccurate. I would assume, at least, a game hacked together in a language that's not meant for them, started by a guy who basically just copied leaked infiniminer code and changed the language, is going to be worse than a game rewritten in a normal language by actual game devs with years of hindsight.
@@heckoff7904 I have sodium on my pc, according to f3 and my nvidia fps monitor, I get from 200 to over 300 fps at 20 chunks while loading chunks via boating and less input lag when using a mouse. With bedrock uncapped it gets that number at about 16 with a smoother fps and latency, but more input lag. Ever since 1.18 anything past 30 chunks really begins to increase shutters and input lag on bedrock edition.
It's sad to see that cases like this are getting some what common within the markertplace. A friend of mine makes parkour maps for the marketplace and every so often some of their maps appear rebranded with another name but with the exact same content, sold by a completely unrelated person to them, and it usually takes a decent chunk of time fot those to get taken down
4J did an amazing job with making the console versions of Minecraft, it looked like java and could even be confused with it sometimes if you're just looking at still images at first glance. Then they were dumped and Microsoft made this bedrock thing. I really despise the bedrock edition since it looks so unpolished compared to java. This would be fine If I didn't KNOW they could do better. Which is proven with 4Js console editions.
4J Studios were pretty awesome. I wish they would have been put in charge of Bedrock, but I guess that also means Mojang has to pay them, therefore less profits.
From what I can tell, 4J's version was pretty much a direct port of Java edition compared to Bedrock's complete rewrite. The reason why is due to a few minor bugs from beta appearing in early console edition. So that'd explain why it was so close to Java
@@Arenovas not sure what you mean by a direct port if you mean they just copied the code then no, they each run on different sets of code so it has to be made for the console editions. If you mean the games were just same then, So what? We don't need 2 different versions of the same game it just makes things confusing and it would be way easier if they both just had the same mechanics and such.
Great to see a big youtuber finally speak up about the glaring development issues that are behind Minecraft, especially on the Bedrock edition. It's disappointing to see this happening considering Minecraft is backed by such a large corporation and should be treated in a way it deserves seeing that MC is their flagship title, but instead is suffering from the same issues many moneygrab AAA titles in the games industry are suffering from. Mojang really needs to step up their game on the backend of both Bedrock and Java editions.
One of my biggest gripes is that Mojang originally marketed these custom content worlds as mods like what java has which isn't what it actually is. They also found a way to monetize it which kinda goes against modding in my opinion in general
One thing to say. Corporate greed. Ever since Microsoft bought mojang, they have been doing everything and I mean everything to earn more money off of a beloved franchise. Bedrock is the perfect example of this. They don’t care about us consumers anymore and would want to pour more money on sh*tty micro transactions on the marketplace rather than just fixing this flawed game. Like they literally shut down the legacy console versions for this, and keep in mind that legacy was one of the best and most stable Minecraft versions to exist.
Just makes me miss the days of Console Edition so much more. Yes there was DLC, but it was made with love and care by 4j Studios, and was a small part of the game compared to Bedrock's flashy animated button and multiple links to the marketplace.
Exactly, the Console versions were so much better even though they were made on earlier consoles then Bedrock is on nowadays. Can't forget the mini games that were LEAGUES above Bedrocks servers
@@cuddlecakes7153 Not to mention, they were direct ports of the Java code, meaning you had redstone parity, seed parity (in earlier versions), hell even the same bugs such as that headless piston glitch to break the nether roof. Nowadays Bedrock struggles to add the proper block breaking times for parity... it's disappointing.
bedrock used to be called windows 10 edition, even though java runs flawlessly on windows 10. having everyone migrate to microsoft accs is also another huge step backwards.
Thanks for making this issue known! I hope that more community attention will move Mojang to fix this before it gets too out of hand. Minecraft can't be at it's best when downright theivery is rampant.
The marketplace is currently a very flawed system and needs some improvement, this comes from someone who works on parkour maps with Hielke (Creator of parkour spiral)
Yes, it needs to be fixed, not disposed of. It has so much potential if only they fixed both content monitoring and the content recommendation list to include good creations by smaller teams.
I bought the mod when it first released in the marketplace thinking it was an actual port from pc but learning all of this makes me feel horrible for all the people who worked so hard on the actual mod only to be ripped off
Thank you for bringing awareness to the lack of Bedrock Edition support and issues! Maybe one day Mojang will put the same love and stability into it as they have Java Edition for so many years.
It's great to see this issue be addressed as way too many projects get stolen and sold on the marketplace behind the original creators' backs. It's a growing problem which really needs to be acknowledged and spoken out against. Especially when a lot of those teams which steal content are also sometimes direct marketplace partners
In some areas, yes, I do agree that the modding side of bedrock is very toxic, some parts more than others (I have seen a few good bedrock mods before), but what I find even worse is the Marketplace community. It is full of toxicity. Atleast half of it is made out of "green smiley faces", "mask" skin packs, and stuff that looks like it came from people like Prestonplayz or Eyestream or Loverfella, something awful like that.
Thats a bad way of looking at things This is a MARKETPLACE addon The marketplace is pretty much the steam store of Minecraft There are real dedicated bedrock addon creators making stuff for free and available to download
I’m just bewildered over the fact that The Aether mod got approved considering Kingbdogz HIMSELF is apart of the team. The absolute balls on those guys.
To be fair, in terms of content and gameplay, you can't really do so much more with TF2 without completely reworking the classes. I mean beyond having 3 weapons. Spy for example remains a extremely situational class. Pyro simply counters him way to hard. And spy checking is way to cheap. They sure as fuck could fix the damn botting at the very least.
Microsoft is essentially destroying minecraft. The problems with market place, account migration, bedrock edition bugs are completely unacceptable. I’m worried for the future of java edition, since that’s the only version I care for.
I don't think it's so much Microsoft ruining mc,but they have mismanaged such an important IP and allowed it to be totally derailed and ran into the ground by its current developers . They need to get rig of the lot of them,I hate how minecraft has turned into a husk of what it could have been because everyone has leeched it to death,MS should sack that ginger haired guy for starters and have the game redeveloped
So sad that this map was not discussed with Gilded games. It looks very well made, with high quality textures and models. So sad to see that kind of stuff go to waste just cause the people behind it didnt seem to have even considered asking for permission. It turns what couldve been an amazing fan replication into stolen content or a rip off
Great video! I can say you covered this situation pretty well and thoroughly, as one of the developers who was around while this was all going down. Regarding the map being off the Marketplace though, it was recently brought to my attention there's an exploit in the Bedrock Marketplace's system that seems to let Marketplace content still be accessible and assumedly purchasable (hard to confirm directly since I wouldn't condone purchasing this map even for testing things like this, but the option for purchase is still visible) even after being taken off the Marketplace website or in-game listings, since sites like Bedrock Explorer have re-hosted links to content (such as one to SNDBX's Dimension) which send you directly to the content's Marketplace page in-game despite the removal of official listings. It's likely an oversight on Mojang or Microsoft's part, but it feels like a pretty glaring one I want to bring attention to, in hopes it can be noticed and resolved alongside the other issues the Marketplace has.
Yeah it's something I'm not 100% sure how it should work but as far as I know Minecraft still *hosts* content that's been taken off sale so people who bought it can still access it. But it seems the URL for the store page remains active just inaccessible from in the game itself. My theory is that because SNDBX voluntarily took the map down after our copyright complaint, rather than it being taken down after a copyright review by Microsoft themselves, its treated in the same way that a map would be if a creator decided to take it down for any reason. Definitely seems like a loophole, I hope we can see it fixed asap.
@@averagegenzguy2751 that’s how I managed to get my veteran cape. Looked it up wasn’t there searched it clicked a link and managed to download it after it being removed
Stuff like this is why I'm kinda excited for Hytale. I'm glad it still seems the Java team cares about the game more. But the bedrock team just seems like they slap in the bare minimum most of the time and call it a year
The Marketplace is certainly, incredibly terrible. It feels like there's absolutely no quality control, and everything is trying to clickbait you into buying it. As a Bedrock player, it's really annoying seeing Bedrock as a whole be put under the bus because of the stupid Marketplace.
Imagine being a Marketplace Partner who makes good content though. Everyone looks at the bad content and the people stealing and immediately say “marketplace is terrible”. Not every partner is bad. 😐
@@ohhello937 I've heard some good things hidden behind all the garbage, like the official Sonic maps. I believe Gamemode One is the one to look out for, though I'm sure there are plenty of smaller devs who make good stuff!
@@miimiiandco Yeah I know a few really good partners like one artist who does great HD skins too. I just feel awful for them when these videos happen because everyone dog pile hates on the whole marketplace when a good chunk of partners work so hard.
So i make mods for other games (mostly strategy games), but i have seen similar situations many times before. It breaks not just hearts but it breeds a kind of fear among modders. As even my own work has been stolen before. The worst part is, whenever you ask money for a mod this stuff will happen. It is a block for allowing mods to grow further as we have very little say in what goes on after our development of the mod. Not to mention the sheer emotion of seeing your work be it passion or regular just stolen and not getting what is deserved for the maker. It is demoralising in the extreme.
Like what the actual f*** is mojang doing. Delayed updates, raytracing being held back, bugs after bugs, corrupted worlds, and now this. Wow. Starting to think bedrock was a mistake. Oh yeah also don’t forget about the time some marketplace developers stole faithful and charged us for that.
@@skunknoodles6426 yeah, along with imposing strict deadlines, honestly mojang is truly trying to give us what we want under microsoft's restrictions, but they cant really do much
I bought this very early on because I thought they had permission, later did I realize that it was fake. Thanks lots for covering this! Edit: after finishing the video I completely agree with you, I’ve been annoyed by mojangs lack of fixing major bugs and parity with java for a long while now, for example letting java have tnt dupe while bedrock doesn’t, or letting java have a lot of useful enchantments and different weapon and item uses while bedrock is left in the dust. And thats one of the more minor issues that I’m upset about, i love making stuff with commands and redstone but i am very very limited with what i can do because bedrock just straight up doesn’t have half of javas available commands! It’s ridiculous and it’s been ridiculous for a very long time!
That's the trade-off you have to accept with software development. Java devs will always be able to shovel out features faster than C++ devs can keep up with.
To be fair, they only left TNT duplication in Java because it was the only way to make a moving TNT dropper. They won't put it in Bedrock because you can do the same thing with a dispenser full of TNT attached to a flying machine.
And then there’s some features from bedrock that java players want like the dyed water in cauldrons or being able to place potions in cauldrons and make tipped arrows without needing lingering potions!
Wow I can't believe when I teleport unreasonably far out the world generation FAILS?!? This is especially weird coming from the guy that loves the farlands
I cannot wait for your honest Bedrock breakdown! Bedrock being far and away inferior or Java is a hill I’m willing to die on and it’s amazing to me how much credit it gets just for being titled “Minecraft” even though it barely functions on some devices! Half the Minecraft subreddit is people posting weird bugs/game breaking glitches that all lead back to Bedrock edition! I wholeheartedly believe Java edition to be beautifully optimized (especially with the help of Optifine) for a fluid and intuitive gameplay experience on systems ranging from high end to medium-low end. It offers every paid Bedrock feature and more for free, including downloading community created worlds that are *not* tied to your Microsoft account and modding the game. And when I say “modding,” I’m not referring to Bedrock’s paid half-ass attempt at mods called “addons,” I’m referring to the countless high quality mods that can be installed via Forge or Fabric for absolutely free. The GUI on Java doesn’t lag when I open my inventory, it opens instantly. Bedrock, by default has the inventory GUI animate onto the screen after a short, but annoying, delay. Java remembers when I close my world that I don’t want the damn crafting guide to show up every time I open my inventory. Java doesn’t take it’s sweet time navigating through menus. The one *and only* thing Bedrock does better than Java is online play, if you ask me.
For me, this is reminiscent of an older issue with the shating user-generated content in Minecraft. The issue being that in the modding community, you have people who download mods, then upload them to third-party websites, which, as you can imagine, hurts the revenue of mod developers. The major issue here is the fact that not only is blatant theft, (of a creative commons property, no less) but the theives also stand to make money from this. In my opinion, Mojang should take better care to enforce policies relating to copyright, and theft, so that behaviour such as this is discouraged.
Microsoft does not fund their studios and actively forces them into doing things that are ultimately horrible for their games to prioritize short term profit. It’s a recurring issue. I really think making people target Mojang about this is just the wrong move, because Microsoft should be held responsible
On one side, I really liked the map, its developers really put a hard work into it, but when I discovered they didnt even ask for permission I was disgusted.
@Phantom X i this more that's more of a problem with addons, since you can't set which blocks it can break (at least as of the time the pack was released) but yeah, i agree it's still lacking
Bedrock has never been up to the bar that Mojang set with Java, and its honestly just sad. I have always played Java, but I got bedrock to jump in with some friends who only played on it, and I was shocked when I realised I couldn't do half of the redstone I was doing in Java. I don't even do anything super advanced, so I can imagine how impossible it is to play for someone who designs farms and such.
I dont do many farms on bedrock but when i do half the time they dont work or redstone gets tweaked ever so slightly in the next update and i cant use them. Which would be fine if it was tweaked to be like java but its not and it never will be
@@fastfirefox1475 I think that's what proves the ammount of problems it has more than anything. Having moveable chests seems like such an advantage, yet you will find little to no serious redstone players on Bedrock due to the other failings of its system, proving how problematic those failings are.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with why this got released onto the Marketplace. The Bedrock Edition marketplace has tons of copyrighted material on it that definitely isn't officially released by the creators (EX: Among Us skins, various other anime and video game based skins, etc). This is because the internal policy prevents the folks that approve content from blocking it for copyright reasons. Why? It is to avoid liability on Microsoft/Mojang's end. For example, if they DID block for copyright infringement, it would make them legally liable for anything that does get through, and it isn't a reasonable ask to expect the people reviewing and approving the content to know about every piece of copyrighted material in the world. So, the responsibility for dealing with copyrighted content is left solely on the copyright holders filing DMCA takedowns. Similar to youtube, the DMCAs give strikes to partners that don't go away and if they accumulate enough strikes then the partner isn't allowed to be a part of the marketplace anymore.
You were my favorite minecraft TH-camr when I first started playing 10 years ago, can’t believe you’re still going strong it makes me happy to see. You’re the real OG bro.
Can’t agree more with this. The Marketplace has turned into a toxic clickbait store where everybody copies everybody instead of making original content. But hey, as long as the money keeps flowing right? 🤡
I agree with the fact that the marketplace is ass and it is very clickbait but I don't really see this specific instance as a horrific act of plagiarism. 10 dollars seems a bit expensive but it has been like 10 years and bedrock hasn't been able to experience the aether. It also looks to me like most of the textures are not replicas they are reproductions that are heavily inspired by the aether mod. This is as if someone made a product 10 years ago and now someone made the same product but slightly different. I really don't see it as plagiarism but I could be wrong.
Capitalism in a nusthell. Thats why I liked the Java system, because at least Java content is *decommodified* , so there's way less insentive for people to steal, make clickbait etc. You could say it was a non-capitalist space. That's why I hate bedrock, not that I'm in principle against paying for supporting the creators but it's just a horrible system that benefits this kind of behavior and so there's very few free content and also very few good content.
Same thing is happening with Minecraft multiplayer servers. It's a cesspool of P2W and shady copycat servers. The fascinating diversity has been dominated by those who want to earn money on scamming others. And here as well Mojang isn't doing much, if anything at all.
@supernova026 It Definitly should have been free that is true but they kinda did give tribute they should have given more. BUT I can make a cover of a song rn and not ask for permission from the creator. It happens all the time on TH-cam. People will make the same type of video but give credit and No one cares I don't know how much credit they gave to the og creators but they should have given something.
I totally agree that Redstone needs to be updated on Bedrock, but the bug about biomes not spawning correctly millions of blocks out does seem like a very minor issue
This is why allowing Minecraft to be monetized in any way beyond the base game always received backlash. It's a game where the player is supposed to express their creativity, and yet they allow community paywalls to exist.
we need Mojang to stop after 1.19 and make 1.20 the quality of life update, fix bugs, optimise Java, sort out all the other issues. it's not a sexy update like caves and cliffs but it will make their millions of players much happier
There are many problems with how they treat the game. About that, can you talk about how Mojang made a fake bug that only marketplace maps have fixes, Mojang also refuses to fix the fake bug. Custom block models bigger than the normal 16x. Bedrock isn’t just the not as good version but it’s the one treated worse.
I really hope your video breaking down the issues with modern Minecraft reaches the people it needs to. Ever since Bedrock became the "Main" version of the game and gave Java Edition it's subtitle, it's been more and more frustrating every single time I try playing it. Even on my above average computer, Bedrock somehow manages to have worse performance compared to Java without mods. This even extends to the Switch version which needs some heavy optimizations, seeing as it will frequently hang in the menu for minutes at a time when I select an option. Redstone also has no excuse for being different between the two versions, and the fact they outright state they aren't going to create parity between the two in that regard is frustrating to say the least. I wonder just how much more Bedrock has broken with it that I don't know about either, like the generation breaking after going out so far you showed off today. Absolutely appalling they outright said they won't fix it either. Java Edition has its own issues too, but with Bedrock being what most people are playing and it somehow being in a worse state is really not okay.
The quasi-connectivity is the Only Parity Difference that I find acceptable. The mechanic is technically a bug on Java, and my understanding is that recreating that bug in another codebase is HARD.
@@venomousfrog5546 Not especially. Quasi-connectivity seems like it would be tricky to reimplement on purpose, but it's just a result of some iron door code being reused improperly. A handful of early redstone blocks just happen to consider themselves powered so long as the block above them is powered, because as far as that bit of the code is concerned they're two blocks tall.
9:37 this is not the full story. this was closed as "won't fix" for being a duplicate, the duplicated one was marked the same because of a limitation bug baked into the present code that would require a whole rewrite to fix, and _that_ would cause its own problems (as the developer joke says, fix one bug and you get two) 9:56 more opinionated, but i'm of the idea it's too late for redstone parity between bedrock and java. both already have their own redstone communities doing massive stuff, and bringing parity means removing one system entirely, which _will_ cause problems for already-built contraptions. there's also the option of a toggle, but that would be clunky, unintuitable, and non-beginner friendly. not to mention how java redstone runs on bugs-turned-features, which would have to be converted to actual features in bedrock (since they don't use the same programming language, bugs written in java may not have the same effect as ones in c++). redstone parity is not really worth it right now i know these aren't the main points of the video, i do agree mojang/microsoft/whoever runs the minecraft store needs to step up in making sure it's high quality and clean, but the conclusion was just not up to par.
Yeah I have to agree, the end of the video kinda came out of nowhere and felt more like ragging on mojang for completely unrelated minor issues which would take way more effort to fix compared to how much it would actually improve the game in return 😔 The way they handle the marketplace should absolutely be put under scrutiny though, as this affects way more people than some specific bugs that barely anyone would really experience. Better examples could have probably been chosen to illustrate the issues with bedrock instead of very niche stuff, because yeah i don't wanna say that bedrock is all clean of course, just that the way he presented his point made it hard to agree with
@@IbanPlay the thing is though little things go a long way and seeing how dedicated they are to “fixing” parity issues (those shouldn’t have ever been a thing but yk they built the game off of a damn tablet version) it should be realized that fixing bugs/security (especially problems that have been there for a long time) should be fixed after a certain amount of years. I get why it’s hard to fix things in games when the coding is completely different but they have the man power and money to do it. They just don’t want to, which if they do it doesn’t seem like it and they don’t communicate with fans and creators much besides the big titles and the only communication we get on the beta side of things are small snippets of bugs that were fixed and not any that might be in the works. They made the games code much harder then it has to be and that’s a fact when you compare it to Java. It was optimized for a small device, not a console with the power to handle more, which is why they had to fix the things like UI and loading.
I really hope this “brutally honest breakdown” isn’t meant to create even more infighting in the player base. While you raise valid concerns like parity, copyright, etc, it doesn’t matter if we play on Java or bedrock. There are so many more similarities than differences and we all just wanna have a fun time playing with blocks
I would agree with you, that yes, play on whichever version you like, but people that say stuff like "well, Minecraft is Minecraft!" always cover their ears when there is any constructive criticism towards Minecraft and say "Well, you are a hater! Java and Bedrock are actual more similar than you think and have more similarities than differences!", when, if that was the case, why the hell would Bedrock players want parity with Java? Want more proof? Check out SilentWisperer's channel. Maybe there wouldn't be "infighting" if the devs got off the high horses, sat down for a moment, and think "Hmm. Maybe we should stop with the updates that will continue to alienate the two versions of the game, and maybe work on parity?". Yes, we all want to have fun playing this funky block game, but we can't have fun if the devs don't listen to both communities. Because I'm pretty sure they only listen to Java, and barely listen to Bedrock. But, that's just my thoughts.
@Fat Chocobo I play both, as do many people. If you want to believe bedrock is inferior, that says more about you (and why it’s important for you to believe that) than it does about either version of the game. Is there mismanagement, yes. But there’s a reason Minecraft is the #1 most sold game of all time as of now, and that reason is bedrock edition
@@kenny_the_real "There's a reason Minecraft is the #1 most sold game of all time as of now, and that reason is bedrock edition" *AAAAND* I call for an *OBJECTION!* Bedrock edition originally released as Pocket Edition in 2011. At the time, Minecraft's official sales statistics did not account for pocket edition, and by February of 2012, it was on the list of best selling games with 5 million copies sold. Mojang was bought in 2014 by Microsoft, and by the time that had happened, Minecraft had sold 49.5 million copies, placing it at #3. This was BEFORE Bedrock Edition, since Pocket Edition was not a cross platform experience. Minecraft Pocket Edition left beta in June of 2017, by which point Minecraft had sold 122 million copies. Bedrock Edition, which was a half assed port of Pocket Edition to all platforms, *FINALLY* released in September of 2017, and by January the game had sold 178 million copies(still in 2nd place for a while.) Finally, in 2020, Microsoft reported a grand total of 200 million copies, making it the #1 sold game of all time(so far.) Now, pay attention to the momentum. Between 2012 and 2014, 44.5 million copies had been sold. Between 2014 and 2017, an additional 72.5 million copies had been sold(roughly 48 million copies per 2 years.) The problem with your assertion is between 2017 and 2020, when Bedrock edition was most prevalent, and should've had the most impact, only *22 million copies were sold.* If anything, Bedrock appears to have *destroyed* the sales of Minecraft, not make it the #1 most sold game like you so claim. One look at 2022 and we're still not looking any better than the momentum of 2012-2017, with only 38 million copies sold in a two year time span. Conclusion:Bedrock has nothing to do with the fact that Minecraft is the game with the most sales ever.
The entire concept of Bedrock Edition is a scam. Make money off of DLCs in a game that already costs money while providing 30% of the quality. I have played Bedrock (MCPE) for 4 years now and right after transitioning to JAVA, I begun to understand how absolutely horrible Bedrock is. I stand with you and your opinion fully, Ant. Bedrock is a cheap money machine.
I disagre, Bedrock is actually awsome, and I would play it more if it were avialable to Linux and macOS (I don't use Windows), I currently can only play on my Android, and there are some very cool servers. One of my favorite servers used to be the Hive Java, but since it shut down, I'm struggling to find a Hide and Seek game that works just like the one they had. Except, they have an amazing Hide and Seek game on the featured Hive server for Bedrock, it's truly amazing. Not to mention the quality of Bedrock featured servers is overall much higher (with some exeptions like Pixel Paradise, that one is trash)
I totally agree that Bedrock has A LOT of issues, and it should be heavily criticized, but saying it's a scam is just disingenuous, there's a lot of good things about it that are actually better than Java
I think a big problem with a lot of the bugs/parity issues is the fact that fixing then take a lot of effort, energy, and time. These might not be the biggest issues if thr community was supportive, but when mojang delays something, or scales something back go increase performance or reduce bugs the community gets very angry. They claim to want all these issues fixed, but do you think the community would honestly be okay with going 1-2 years with no feature updates?
as someone who mainly plays and creates content on bedrock edition, i really can't disagree with any of your points in this video. there are even more examples of this happening on the marketplace, and mojang really doesn't seem to want to take proactive decisions to stop stuff like this from happening. as for bugs, it's not called bugrock edition for nothing, and there's a lot of problems with the "renderdragon" rendering engine, and they just forced all players to use it, rendering the game on lower end devices barely playable. definitely interested to see what you have to say in your bedrock video in may, looking forward to it.
I really hope bedrock steps up their game and fixes shit. If stuff like this keeps happening on bedrock, bedrock will start to decline. I really don't want to see a game I grew up with just go dead like legacy edition.
@@dubl33_27 yea I know that, but bedrock just feels normal for me to play. I do play java, I am actually working on my survival world digging out a giant hole for my base undergroun. I died on my hardcore world which kind of sucked. But I haven't been motivated to play minecraft at all that much. I have been playing Geometry dash.
Besides the marketplace, Minecraft Bedrock is missing a lot of fixes and java features. An example would be creating custom flat worlds. It's such an old java feature, yet mojang didn't make it possible to do *in game*. It's possible, but we shouldn't need an external program to do this.
Pretty sure that is one of the main criticisms of the Marketplace from people who use it, that there is very little quality control so it's unsurprising that stolen content can also show up there
What sucks to me is that visually, the bedrock version is a clear upgrade, it's so clear that the people who made this were talented and passionate, and yet they didnt even approach the original team, these groups combined could have made an insanely good project
Hey, AntVenom, I think that you probably should have picked another sponsor for this video, consider Raid has ALSO had allegations of theft of intellectual property.
I hope that your video will finally push the right people to do something against this problem. Minecraft multiplayer is yet another area of the game where very shady stuff has been happening for at least 5 years now (P2W servers, copycat servers, botted servers, etc...). I think it would be a great idea for another video in the future.
@@SaishoVibes The majority of Minecraft players play bedrock And the majority of bedrock players dont care about the marketplace Killing off bedrock will cause sales to plummet They should just remove the marketplace or just have better moderation
To put it simply, it Bedrock was caught up with Java and had the ability to use multiple purchases together, exactly like you can with mods. I would absolutely spend more than I probably should because playing it on my switch is by far my favorite. But I play Java on the computer simply because you can't put banners on Shields
Can't believe that Mojang didn't even take down as one of the creators was on their team. It's like working for your enemy. So glad you are talking about this! What I didn't know was the Twilight Forest copying though.
Its cool to see recreations but I see unapproved recreations only good if its a dead project where the creator doesnt respond to people. And to have people pay for it you need to have improved it, not make it a set.
The problem is that mojang itself is rotting away, not minecraft. You see, ever since microsoft acquired mojang, their plans for the game have never been to impress the players, mostly anyways, but instead to make the most profit which is then eaten all up by microsoft, after that microsoft dumps a tiny fraction as mojang's next budget. This is why minecraft, the worlds most popular game, is being starved of updates and content, and even critical fixes are slow.
Absolutely agree. Mojang genuinely cared about the game and player base beforehand, and Java edition was the main. Correct me if I'm wrong but the legacy console editions were discontinued because of bedrock coming into play, and those versions were honestly the most well made and stable
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 Same here. When I first got my xbox my brother and I had a minecraft world that we played for hours at a time. One of my most treasured memories
Bedrock edition is so pathetic to me. As someone who mainly plays the Java version, I'm baffled every time I touch Bedrock by how incomplete and broken it feels. I would love for it to get better, but I stopped caring so many years ago. I'll just stick to my comfy version (as long as it's still around)
I made the Heaven Dimension datapack and I purposely tried to avoid anything Aether related for this very reason and people just came up and copied the whole project.
I find it pretty appalling how differently the Bedrock and Java editions are handled. The MC marketplace and Bedrock skin systems have always come off to me as problematic and the fact that Microsoft and Mojang are just sitting there and allowing content theft to happen *when real money is involved* because it'll make them more money makes me so sad, but also I feel so validated for being a Java purist.
luckily you can use the java skins on windows 10 edition and i think mobile, but console players are still screwed if they added a pixel-by-pixel skin editor to bedrock it wouldn't even shut down their skin profits since they could still sell the various cosmetics that add more 3d models
I have said this time and time again and it still holds true to this very day so I'm gonna say it again. Minecraft Java edition has better unofficial support than Minecraft bedrock edition has official support.
Fr, in Java I can just add mods for anything Mojang has ever neglected. Better performance? Mods. Bugfixes? Mods. Very small QoL stuff that don't harm gameplay? Mods. I even made a private Fabric modpack for playing vanilla JUST with client side mods (FYI: Mods that don't add new content and can be used in servers). The result? 100 mods. It isn't a lot, especially since I'm a person who plays modpacks with 200~300 mods, but I didn't want to go crazy and as I said before, it was just client side mods, and a few of them were libraries. Still, I don't like the fact that mojang is too lazy to add urgent performance and QoL stuff to the game, like inventory sorting, trash slots, better rendering, physics, better animations, immersive particles, hiding offhand items while not using them, as well as some of the usual must haves for modded (JEI, minimaps and WAILA), among others. Very small things that together make a huge difference and improve the gameplay (at least for me). So yeah, I wish they actually cared about all that stuff and it was not just about the money, but sadly, that is never the case with big companies like Micro$oft. It's just sad 23 year old neckbeards living on their parents' basement can pump out better mods than a trillionaire company with hundreds of programmers can make updates. Sure they don't have to worry about of the things they are adding to the game fits in Vanilla, but that doesn't mean those mods are bad. Just take a look at mods like Create, Astral Sorcery, Thaumcraft, Mekanism, Mekanism, etc. They don't fit the game at all but they are very impressive, hight quality mods you can get for free and the devs make wayy less money, the only money they get is through downloads or donations.
@@Ehllay The beauty of it all is that the playerbase probably does a better job than mojang would ever do anyway. If mojang made half of the things that the mod community already does they would probably do it like 10 times worse. Like take performance improvements for example. Mojang would probably create more bugs than they would fix in an alternate universe where they wrote the same performance fixes that sodium or optifine are designed to fix. Also if mojang were to do this, then there would be no reason for something like optifine to exist and thus shader packs would also probably not be a thing. I honestly wouldn't have it any other way than it is now. Java edition minecraft is by far the superior version of the game because clients like fabric and forge literally make the game modular, you just pop anything and everything you could ever want onto it as a module and you add or remove them as you please. Literally anything is possible inside of minecraft because of this modular design. And this also echoes the spirit of the game because minecraft was created with the idea that you can build anything you like and to have absolute creative freedom, you can tweak literally everything about it from the textures, to the blocks, to the freaking game mechanics and CONTENT. And you can build cities, towns, and technological marvels using redstone. I mean this video game is the shining beacon to THE WHOLE WORLD as to what true creative freedom looks like. Minecraft is the greatest video game to EVER exist, and anyone who says otherwise either has an IQ of 60, has only ever seen the bedrock version (the cut down version), or lives in a cave.
@@ambrosekillpack4841 I do agree that modders sometimes do a far worse worse job than mojang when it comes to the quality and originality of their features. For example take Quark's frogs. If you compare them to Vanilla frogs, they have a awful model and it is practically useless. Not saying that the entirety of Quark is bad, in fact, I love that mod and some of the features it had in the past even got into the game, like basalt, I just think the frogs look bad. Also, Mojang actually tried to buy Optifine but it didn't go well, as the autor was kinda greedy and wanted to keep selling capes and that stuff. If Optifine or Sodium were implemented into the game, I don't think there would be many bugs, those mods are pretty stable on their own, they only cause issues with other mods, but modders can make their mods compatible with them anyway (except for OF). Also you said that if we get an official performance update, then mods like Sodium wouldn't be needed anymore, however it is pretty likely that those mods will find another ways of optimizing the game, however if the performance update was actually really good, then the issues with performance in the past would be gone and we wouldn't need mods to make the game run better, and I honestly think that if the players of the game need a mod to make the game run better, then there's something wrong with your game. A lot of games like Terraria or Skyrim don't need performance mods to be playable after all
I hope this video helps to deter future theft in the Official Minecraft Marketplace.
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Wow, especially after your previous video about the stolen resource pack, this doesn't even seem surprising. Great vid as always.
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It really sucks to see this kind of stuff getting approved :/
Yep
Downright infuriating.
It is disgusting for sure.
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It's sad that Kingbdogz, literally a developer of Minecraft can't do anything about it even though his stuff got stolen from him.
The thiefs have the skill to make a very good addon, but of course they stole something
And that is technically Mojang's fault.
I hate Minecraft employees. They don’t give a shit about their fans.
@@randomhkitem I wouldn't be shocked if the reason their addon didn't procedurally generate the world was because the devs found a way to copy a portion of the world from the Java edition mod.
@@thezen9 yeah, they probably did just take the lazy route
One even worse thing, this is catching attention so quick because it's Aether, a mod with millions of downloads (or more). Imagine this happening to a couple of small mod authors who spend hundreds or thousands of hours of their free time writing up a mod to improve the quality of life of modded players FOR FREE. Only to see their work being plagiarized and posted onto the market for $10. It must really leave a sour taste in the mouth doesn't it.
This is actually why kingbdogz and I were so passionate about getting this issue publicity. We don't really care too much about the Aether itself being ripped off, we can get by and we have enough of a platform for it to not heavily impact the reputation of our project. But there HAVE to be hundreds of smaller creators who are having their work blatantly stolen and sold for quick profit on the Bedrock marketplace. So ideally we'd like these issues actually fixed rather than simply drawing attention to our specific case.
Agreed, this is a very horrible thing to do.
I aint religious but greed is evil af
they should've ported it to bedrock sooner then 😂this modder did, because people wanted it
@@alexandreaanderson514i agree it's horrible. but like, everyone's always wanted the ether mod on console, and the main devs don't want to do that, so🤷🏻♂️someone jumped at the opportunity i guess. i know it's not right, i'm only really saying this because i just realised this mod exists and i'm sadly just gonna have to buy & install it from the MC Marketplace😢but it'll be fun, and that's what people want, so at the same time it's kind of a missed opportunity for the developers. but one of the devs replied here, he seems like a legit guy who doesn't care about money but rather his passion for his craft, which is highly respectable and commendable. i guess they just wanted to work on aether II and porting it to new versions of MC instead of releasing it on the marketplace? if the devs were really all about capitalism and money (which they're clearly not), they would've seen the MC marketplace, and INSTANTLY decided to start working on it. i don't mean to sound rude i'm just a bit autistic sorry
I remember back in 1.5 and before the mods were just adding tiny things like carpets and horses, Aether was one of the revolutionary mods that inspired people to make larger mods that drastically change the game, and it may very well be the reason we have mods like Create, AE2, Twilight Forest, Botania, Thermal Expansions (rip) etc. Seeing this mod getting tossed around and disrespected hurts me deeply.
I believe the original version is still available at curseforge in 1.5.2, Aether II in 1.7.2 and Aether reborn for fabric at 1.12. so we can't enjoy it in the newest versions of the game unfortunately
What does "Thermal Expansion (rip)" mean? Was it abandoned? If yes, then damn, it was one of my favourite Minecraft mods to exist, with tons of qol items (like the flux capacitors and these fluid capsule thingies), and the artwork in that mod felt very stylish for me.
@@Fafr they updated it to 1.16 but with tons of unusable items and they didn't even update thermal dynamics so we don't have the cables and pipes etc. wich makes it impossible to play without another mod
@@octaviusthe2nd672 Well, is there anything I can say other than F then?
The old aether is available on MC Archive.
Good news! The aether was just updated to 1.19.4 so it can be played in modern minecraft again
That really sucks. To think that someone would consider making a profit off someone else's work in the Marketplace when they're practically free on Java. The saddest thing about it is that the "Faithful" and "Aether" incidents were noticed because they have a large fan base. There could be other stolen projects on the Marketplace from smaller creators that have gone unnoticed
As a Java player, the idea of having to pay for so many things like this never sat well with me.
This is why the pillager bay exists
@ lol did you come up with that yourself? Because thats a pretty great pun :D
@@not2hot99 Its not a pun, its an actual website that exists
@@not2hot99 Its where you can download most of the marketplace items for free. And no, its not a scam website
So they even plagiarized the Twilight forest mod along with the Aether mod? This is pretty damn crazy man
HOW ARE YOU COMMENTING ON EVERY VIDEO I WATCH NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT THE SUBJECT IS
@@plazasta Just don't question it, for your own sanity =')
are you related to OwO the commenter, by any chance?
@@Wow1w No. They just both comment on every video they watch. Same with StickMaster500 and Justin Y. back in the day.
This is why the pillager bay exists. So that you can stop feeding the so called marketplace creators and just get things for free
As a bedrock player it is incredibly frustrating to see what Mojang is doing to the game. For example in the recent update we just got shulker cloning and protection working against potions and they have just started developing spectated mode. Basic modes and functions of the game we don’t have some being worse than others like red stone and mob spawning. Also we see that Java will get updates that add bedrock exclusive features which is great but we very rarely see Java exclusive feature, it’s to the point where basic things are exiting to the community for features that should have been added months if not years back. Tl;dr 1.20 should be a parity update where they make the games basically identical
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This is probably because the java team and the bedrock team have almost no contact.
Can Mojang even influence bedrock Edition as much as Java edition? I thought is was kinda the "Microsoft" Edition
@@Ignis79 the only "Microsoft" part in Bedrock is the store (and probably servers), everything else is Mojang.
Wait, so you're frustrated that they added shulker cloning and spectator mode?
imagine how stupid you'd have to steal a mod created by a now DEVELOPER of minecraft.
and how incompetent the bedrock team has to be to approve it
I remember going down the rabbit-hole of Reddit when I first found this out. I was following the situation in hopes to see the stolen mod get taken down, and I could not have been any happier when it finally got taken down. This stuff doesn't deserve to be on the Marketplace, and you have all my respect for spreading awareness about this.
It took me less than 3 seconds to research and determine that the copyright on Aether mod content is "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0". Permission to "share" and "remix" allows for fans to do quite a lot of transformative work using the base concepts, and still distribute it to others. But selling it, and without so much as hinting at the original creators, let alone contacting them for permission? That is *offensively* blatant intellectual property theft, and I will absolutely disregard any other content by SNDBX that I might ever have considered purchasing.
You know, in order to stir up Mojang and Microsoft, you need such anger from the players and an outflow of asset and attention to minecraft (yes, a paradox of the moment), so that Microsoft and Mojang finally start to monitor whatwhat is posted in the marketplace, and yes, hello from Russia, we have a popular Java edition
This really hits close to home for me as I was around in the early days of the aether mod making a point to support the mod to the best of my ability at the time. Seeing this..... disgrace.... feels personal
Yeah.
Yep. I recall watching TH-cam videos of it in early development. It has been a thing for a really long time. It's sad that Bedrock can't enjoy it without it being a copy.
tbh, I never understood the aether mod! I gave it a try. I always used twighlight forest though.
@@vukadinmc127 What are you one of the thieves who stole this and are making money off of other people's work?
@@vukadinmc127 Bruh did you watch the video?
I'm a (former) bedrock marketplace creator, and this sort of behavior is what has caused a lot of the team to drift away. We worked our asses off to make maps, mods, and other content only to see other teams get big by literally stealing other artists work. One thing I'll say, most of the marketplace is handled by MS, so that's where the crux of the issue lies. Basically only slightly better than Roblox creators stealing copywrite work
Side note, I wish both bedrock and Java players would fight hard for parity, because there are glaring issues that need to be done.
so thats why, i can see a divide in behavior of mojang and microsoft, mojang does care for the community, but it seems microsoft imposes goals inwhich goes against what the community wants
@@charlestonianbuilder344 yeah, it's a shame. At first I was really excited to be on the MP, but that dwindled as I saw other teams get big off of nothing. To get on the MP, you or your team goes through the approval process and you work with a representative that's supposed to assist in things like quality assurance and what not before it gets put up. When there were fewer teams, it was a lot more stringent than now
Yeah currently all we've gotten is that half-butt solution where now if you own bedrock you get java free and vice versa
the part about it being Microsoft's fault aged like milk
@@oobtty what if you dont have a pc
The worst part is that is back in the marketplace...
What the hell is wrong with Microsoft!?
First he breaks the game on a technical level now he’s breaking it on a critical level. This is going to be awesome!
If the marketplace has such a bad/nonexistent filter, what’s to stop people from putting a mod in there that adds some kind of RCE exploit, along with some functionality to cover it up, and then just going after anyone who uses it?
The thing with the Marketplace is that creators on the Marketplace have to be approved by Mojang to even have their work posted there. It's clear that they APPROVED this, looked it over, and simply figured that allowing someone else to make money off of a creation of their OWN EMPLOYEE was fine.
I'd imagine that they have a code filter, as malicious code is objectively malicious. But content filtering is a much harder task to automate.
I don't think the exploit works on bedrock since it's c++
@@OverCAT83 it's not "The exploit" and RCE exploit is a form of exploit any application could be susceptible to without anyone knowing that would allow someone to run code of their choosing on your machine. C++ vs Java has nothing to do with it, it's about who's code you use.
@@thezen9 malicious code could be obfuscated to confuse the AI
This is so stupid because even a staff member at Mojang can't really do anything, hope that this someday gets fixed and I can't wait for your breakdown of it in May!
@@vukadinmc127 there kinda is and that’s what the whole point of the video was LOL
@@vukadinmc127 they took the idea without permission and are gaining money from it what’s so hard to understand lol
@@vukadinmc127 profiting off of an idea that you didn’t come up with or get permission to use?? Yes I’m saying that’s bad
@@vukadinmc127 I’m sorry but I truly do not care about arguing with someone in an AntVenom comment section enough, consider this your win I don’t care I don’t want to read 4 paragraphs of information i don’t really care about
@@y0uwish Dude I know I’m late but the dude who made the original mod Works for MoJang
9:45 Bug-trackers and status tags vary from project to project. The "won't fix" tag is extremely poorly worded and sounds very insulting and hostile, I have always hated it. That said, in this case, they tagged your bug-report as wont-fix because it's a duplicate of another bug, someone else had already reported it. It doesn't mean they're not going to fix it, it means _your_ bug-report is now closed and they will update the original bug-report about this problem as they fix it. (Another instance of wont-fix confusion is when developers tag a bug as wont-fix for a _specific version_ because they won't be able to fix it in time for that release and will fix it later. For example, a bug in Firefox might be flagged as "89 wont-fix, 90 wont-fix, 91 affected" because they don't expect to be able to fix it for version 89 or 90 but will try to fix it for version 91.
I don’t even know about that one. There are tags for duplicate bugs so I assume they’d use that (In fact, they marked one of my bugs as a “Duplicate” of another despite me very clearly explaining how it is different)
That being said, it would be down to what the official response was beyond that, as a bug I had marked as “Won’t fix” was because they’d have to “Re-write” a system relating to nbt data, despite the fact that that’s what you’re supposed to do when you have a fundamental flaw in a data structure
@@TheKnewGreg in the picture that AntVenom showed in the video, the issue status was marked as precisely "Duplicate (Won't Fix)". I work in software development as well and what my team considers best practice is linking duplicate bug reports to the originally reported one in order to avoid this confusion. This way, secondary reporters have a link to the bug that is associated with actual work being done.
This is true most of the time; unless a mod dev is shutting down useless bug reports (like people requesting features in an issue tracker when asked not to), and also when a mod author decides that the undesired result of a bug should stay or is intended.
This Aether mod clone is BACK ON THE MINECRAFT MARKETPLACE.
glad this was addressed. there are so many java mods that are stolen without permission for bedrock that it is insane. most java players dont like bedrock for a multitude of reasons and i think this is one of the big ones other than just the marketplace itself.
The java edition is the main version of the game and it's the one that stood the test of time. If they had their way Microsoft would discontinue that version of the game entirely because they get no money after your purchase of the game. The bedrock edition became basically dead to me when they first added that marketplace button. That _Thing_ has no business in the game where everything from player skins to high quality community created and supported mods has always been free and available online in a safe way to freely download for you to costumize your game to your hearts content. Not to mention that the base java edition has way less bugs and can run much better than bedrock on a halfway desent pc with easy to use mods like Sodium or Optifine.
its more frustrating because the skins part you can get custom free skins if your on pc or mobile if your on xbox switch ps4 get F*****
You gotta see it from the other perspective though as an honest Marketplace creator. Making Minecraft maps for a living is a dream come true!
I'm going to have to see some stats on that last bit. Maybe it runs better if you have a decent PC, but if you have a bad PC (mine is from 2013 or so), bedrock is noticeably better. Even when you get 60 FPS in Java (which I usually do) there is microstutters from frametime differences, but Bedrock has consistent, smooth 60 FPS for me. I don't play bedrock much because I agree with the other part of this post, just pointing out the part I found inaccurate.
I would assume, at least, a game hacked together in a language that's not meant for them, started by a guy who basically just copied leaked infiniminer code and changed the language, is going to be worse than a game rewritten in a normal language by actual game devs with years of hindsight.
@@heckoff7904 I have sodium on my pc, according to f3 and my nvidia fps monitor, I get from 200 to over 300 fps at 20 chunks while loading chunks via boating and less input lag when using a mouse. With bedrock uncapped it gets that number at about 16 with a smoother fps and latency, but more input lag. Ever since 1.18 anything past 30 chunks really begins to increase shutters and input lag on bedrock edition.
@@_shadow_1 I see. Bedrock always felt a bit floaty to me, so it makes sense.
It's sad to see that cases like this are getting some what common within the markertplace. A friend of mine makes parkour maps for the marketplace and every so often some of their maps appear rebranded with another name but with the exact same content, sold by a completely unrelated person to them, and it usually takes a decent chunk of time fot those to get taken down
4J did an amazing job with making the console versions of Minecraft, it looked like java and could even be confused with it sometimes if you're just looking at still images at first glance. Then they were dumped and Microsoft made this bedrock thing.
I really despise the bedrock edition since it looks so unpolished compared to java. This would be fine If I didn't KNOW they could do better. Which is proven with 4Js console editions.
4J Studios were pretty awesome. I wish they would have been put in charge of Bedrock, but I guess that also means Mojang has to pay them, therefore less profits.
From what I can tell, 4J's version was pretty much a direct port of Java edition compared to Bedrock's complete rewrite. The reason why is due to a few minor bugs from beta appearing in early console edition. So that'd explain why it was so close to Java
Yeah Console versions were amazing, still mad they stopped making it because of this shitty version being created
And 4J's version actually has good redstone
@@Arenovas not sure what you mean by a direct port if you mean they just copied the code then no, they each run on different sets of code so it has to be made for the console editions. If you mean the games were just same then, So what? We don't need 2 different versions of the same game it just makes things confusing and it would be way easier if they both just had the same mechanics and such.
Great to see a big youtuber finally speak up about the glaring development issues that are behind Minecraft, especially on the Bedrock edition. It's disappointing to see this happening considering Minecraft is backed by such a large corporation and should be treated in a way it deserves seeing that MC is their flagship title, but instead is suffering from the same issues many moneygrab AAA titles in the games industry are suffering from. Mojang really needs to step up their game on the backend of both Bedrock and Java editions.
Mojang is not going to do shit. Even their own employees are gloating about the chat report feature.
One of my biggest gripes is that Mojang originally marketed these custom content worlds as mods like what java has which isn't what it actually is. They also found a way to monetize it which kinda goes against modding in my opinion in general
One thing to say. Corporate greed. Ever since Microsoft bought mojang, they have been doing everything and I mean everything to earn more money off of a beloved franchise. Bedrock is the perfect example of this. They don’t care about us consumers anymore and would want to pour more money on sh*tty micro transactions on the marketplace rather than just fixing this flawed game. Like they literally shut down the legacy console versions for this, and keep in mind that legacy was one of the best and most stable Minecraft versions to exist.
Just makes me miss the days of Console Edition so much more.
Yes there was DLC, but it was made with love and care by 4j Studios, and was a small part of the game compared to Bedrock's flashy animated button and multiple links to the marketplace.
Just a reminder that Mojang nearly got bought by EA and Activision-Blizzard.
I was thinking that they're worse than I thought.
Exactly, the Console versions were so much better even though they were made on earlier consoles then Bedrock is on nowadays. Can't forget the mini games that were LEAGUES above Bedrocks servers
@@cuddlecakes7153 Not to mention, they were direct ports of the Java code, meaning you had redstone parity, seed parity (in earlier versions), hell even the same bugs such as that headless piston glitch to break the nether roof. Nowadays Bedrock struggles to add the proper block breaking times for parity... it's disappointing.
bedrock used to be called windows 10 edition, even though java runs flawlessly on windows 10. having everyone migrate to microsoft accs is also another huge step backwards.
Thanks for making this issue known! I hope that more community attention will move Mojang to fix this before it gets too out of hand. Minecraft can't be at it's best when downright theivery is rampant.
The marketplace is currently a very flawed system and needs some improvement, this comes from someone who works on parkour maps with Hielke (Creator of parkour spiral)
Yes, it needs to be fixed, not disposed of. It has so much potential if only they fixed both content monitoring and the content recommendation list to include good creations by smaller teams.
The marketplace shouldn't even exist to begin with.
@@Dominexis I agree that it needs improvement and not removed like lots of people think
I bought the mod when it first released in the marketplace thinking it was an actual port from pc but learning all of this makes me feel horrible for all the people who worked so hard on the actual mod only to be ripped off
Thank you for bringing awareness to the lack of Bedrock Edition support and issues! Maybe one day Mojang will put the same love and stability into it as they have Java Edition for so many years.
Say that again.
It's great to see this issue be addressed as way too many projects get stolen and sold on the marketplace behind the original creators' backs. It's a growing problem which really needs to be acknowledged and spoken out against. Especially when a lot of those teams which steal content are also sometimes direct marketplace partners
Bedrock edition is toxic on the modding side makes me very sad.
In some areas, yes, I do agree that the modding side of bedrock is very toxic, some parts more than others (I have seen a few good bedrock mods before), but what I find even worse is the Marketplace community. It is full of toxicity. Atleast half of it is made out of "green smiley faces", "mask" skin packs, and stuff that looks like it came from people like Prestonplayz or Eyestream or Loverfella, something awful like that.
@@melon64_ dream smp amongus huggy wuggy minions gone wrong 3am epic gamer fall guys amogus mogus skins free 100% no download
@@melon64_ maybe it's cuz I'm both a free mod maker and a marketplace maker I get alot of stress from the marketplace I just find my self going Mia
HAHAHAHA
Thats a bad way of looking at things
This is a MARKETPLACE addon
The marketplace is pretty much the steam store of Minecraft
There are real dedicated bedrock addon creators making stuff for free and available to download
I've genuinely never heard Ant so pissed off in a video, and it's pretty easy to understand why.
I’m just bewildered over the fact that The Aether mod got approved considering Kingbdogz HIMSELF is apart of the team. The absolute balls on those guys.
10:14
"Letting your most prestigous game rot to pieces is simply unnacceptable."
TF2 Players:
"First time?
To be fair, in terms of content and gameplay, you can't really do so much more with TF2 without completely reworking the classes. I mean beyond having 3 weapons.
Spy for example remains a extremely situational class. Pyro simply counters him way to hard. And spy checking is way to cheap.
They sure as fuck could fix the damn botting at the very least.
Microsoft is essentially destroying minecraft. The problems with market place, account migration, bedrock edition bugs are completely unacceptable. I’m worried for the future of java edition, since that’s the only version I care for.
Oh don't worry.
It's all downhill from here...
I don't think it's so much Microsoft ruining mc,but they have mismanaged such an important IP and allowed it to be totally derailed and ran into the ground by its current developers . They need to get rig of the lot of them,I hate how minecraft has turned into a husk of what it could have been because everyone has leeched it to death,MS should sack that ginger haired guy for starters and have the game redeveloped
So sad that this map was not discussed with Gilded games. It looks very well made, with high quality textures and models. So sad to see that kind of stuff go to waste just cause the people behind it didnt seem to have even considered asking for permission. It turns what couldve been an amazing fan replication into stolen content or a rip off
Exactly, it does look like some care got put into it because there's added effects and more interesting/Minecraft accurate textures. It's really sad.
It is because they knew that gidled wouldn't agree and they just wanted to get the money and run
Great video! I can say you covered this situation pretty well and thoroughly, as one of the developers who was around while this was all going down.
Regarding the map being off the Marketplace though, it was recently brought to my attention there's an exploit in the Bedrock Marketplace's system that seems to let Marketplace content still be accessible and assumedly purchasable (hard to confirm directly since I wouldn't condone purchasing this map even for testing things like this, but the option for purchase is still visible) even after being taken off the Marketplace website or in-game listings, since sites like Bedrock Explorer have re-hosted links to content (such as one to SNDBX's Dimension) which send you directly to the content's Marketplace page in-game despite the removal of official listings. It's likely an oversight on Mojang or Microsoft's part, but it feels like a pretty glaring one I want to bring attention to, in hopes it can be noticed and resolved alongside the other issues the Marketplace has.
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Yeah it's something I'm not 100% sure how it should work but as far as I know Minecraft still *hosts* content that's been taken off sale so people who bought it can still access it. But it seems the URL for the store page remains active just inaccessible from in the game itself. My theory is that because SNDBX voluntarily took the map down after our copyright complaint, rather than it being taken down after a copyright review by Microsoft themselves, its treated in the same way that a map would be if a creator decided to take it down for any reason.
Definitely seems like a loophole, I hope we can see it fixed asap.
@@OzPayn yea it still works for stuff Mojang has deleted like old capes and skins
@@averagegenzguy2751 that’s how I managed to get my veteran cape. Looked it up wasn’t there searched it clicked a link and managed to download it after it being removed
Stuff like this is why I'm kinda excited for Hytale. I'm glad it still seems the Java team cares about the game more. But the bedrock team just seems like they slap in the bare minimum most of the time and call it a year
i feel so bad for bdogz, he created this whole thing and is even a minecraft dev and can't do anything
I've called the Marketplace a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" all this time for a reason
Just buy things, not too deep
The Marketplace is certainly, incredibly terrible. It feels like there's absolutely no quality control, and everything is trying to clickbait you into buying it.
As a Bedrock player, it's really annoying seeing Bedrock as a whole be put under the bus because of the stupid Marketplace.
Imagine being a Marketplace Partner who makes good content though. Everyone looks at the bad content and the people stealing and immediately say “marketplace is terrible”. Not every partner is bad. 😐
@@ohhello937 I've heard some good things hidden behind all the garbage, like the official Sonic maps. I believe Gamemode One is the one to look out for, though I'm sure there are plenty of smaller devs who make good stuff!
@@miimiiandco Yeah I know a few really good partners like one artist who does great HD skins too. I just feel awful for them when these videos happen because everyone dog pile hates on the whole marketplace when a good chunk of partners work so hard.
@@ohhello937 all that effort ending up being thrown hatred from all corners just because of
"MaRkEtPlAcE iS bAd" -🤓
@@ohhello937 yes they are
That's mad. Gilded Games absolutely should take this to court
SNDBX put this back on the marketplace!
So i make mods for other games (mostly strategy games), but i have seen similar situations many times before. It breaks not just hearts but it breeds a kind of fear among modders. As even my own work has been stolen before. The worst part is, whenever you ask money for a mod this stuff will happen. It is a block for allowing mods to grow further as we have very little say in what goes on after our development of the mod. Not to mention the sheer emotion of seeing your work be it passion or regular just stolen and not getting what is deserved for the maker. It is demoralising in the extreme.
The store in general was a terrible corporate idea
Like what the actual f*** is mojang doing. Delayed updates, raytracing being held back, bugs after bugs, corrupted worlds, and now this. Wow. Starting to think bedrock was a mistake.
Oh yeah also don’t forget about the time some marketplace developers stole faithful and charged us for that.
All that is the fault of Microsoft barely supporting Mojang financially. It's sad how the greed of a corporation ruined a beautiful game
@@skunknoodles6426 yeah, along with imposing strict deadlines, honestly mojang is truly trying to give us what we want under microsoft's restrictions, but they cant really do much
I bought this very early on because I thought they had permission, later did I realize that it was fake. Thanks lots for covering this!
Edit: after finishing the video I completely agree with you, I’ve been annoyed by mojangs lack of fixing major bugs and parity with java for a long while now, for example letting java have tnt dupe while bedrock doesn’t, or letting java have a lot of useful enchantments and different weapon and item uses while bedrock is left in the dust. And thats one of the more minor issues that I’m upset about, i love making stuff with commands and redstone but i am very very limited with what i can do because bedrock just straight up doesn’t have half of javas available commands! It’s ridiculous and it’s been ridiculous for a very long time!
I agree 100 percent bedrock needs some fkin love
That's the trade-off you have to accept with software development. Java devs will always be able to shovel out features faster than C++ devs can keep up with.
That's terrible that you got ripped off.
To be fair, they only left TNT duplication in Java because it was the only way to make a moving TNT dropper. They won't put it in Bedrock because you can do the same thing with a dispenser full of TNT attached to a flying machine.
And then there’s some features from bedrock that java players want like the dyed water in cauldrons or being able to place potions in cauldrons and make tipped arrows without needing lingering potions!
They labeled it as "wont fix" because its so far away 99% of players will never ever see it.
Wow I can't believe when I teleport unreasonably far out the world generation FAILS?!?
This is especially weird coming from the guy that loves the farlands
Also it kinda looks cool imo?
I cannot wait for your honest Bedrock breakdown! Bedrock being far and away inferior or Java is a hill I’m willing to die on and it’s amazing to me how much credit it gets just for being titled “Minecraft” even though it barely functions on some devices! Half the Minecraft subreddit is people posting weird bugs/game breaking glitches that all lead back to Bedrock edition! I wholeheartedly believe Java edition to be beautifully optimized (especially with the help of Optifine) for a fluid and intuitive gameplay experience on systems ranging from high end to medium-low end. It offers every paid Bedrock feature and more for free, including downloading community created worlds that are *not* tied to your Microsoft account and modding the game. And when I say “modding,” I’m not referring to Bedrock’s paid half-ass attempt at mods called “addons,” I’m referring to the countless high quality mods that can be installed via Forge or Fabric for absolutely free. The GUI on Java doesn’t lag when I open my inventory, it opens instantly. Bedrock, by default has the inventory GUI animate onto the screen after a short, but annoying, delay. Java remembers when I close my world that I don’t want the damn crafting guide to show up every time I open my inventory. Java doesn’t take it’s sweet time navigating through menus. The one *and only* thing Bedrock does better than Java is online play, if you ask me.
For me, this is reminiscent of an older issue with the shating user-generated content in Minecraft. The issue being that in the modding community, you have people who download mods, then upload them to third-party websites, which, as you can imagine, hurts the revenue of mod developers. The major issue here is the fact that not only is blatant theft, (of a creative commons property, no less) but the theives also stand to make money from this. In my opinion, Mojang should take better care to enforce policies relating to copyright, and theft, so that behaviour such as this is discouraged.
Microsoft does not fund their studios and actively forces them into doing things that are ultimately horrible for their games to prioritize short term profit. It’s a recurring issue. I really think making people target Mojang about this is just the wrong move, because Microsoft should be held responsible
On one side, I really liked the map, its developers really put a hard work into it, but when I discovered they didnt even ask for permission I was disgusted.
@Phantom X i this more that's more of a problem with addons, since you can't set which blocks it can break (at least as of the time the pack was released)
but yeah, i agree it's still lacking
@Phantom X Yeah, I havent played it myself, I just saw some videos
Bedrock has never been up to the bar that Mojang set with Java, and its honestly just sad. I have always played Java, but I got bedrock to jump in with some friends who only played on it, and I was shocked when I realised I couldn't do half of the redstone I was doing in Java. I don't even do anything super advanced, so I can imagine how impossible it is to play for someone who designs farms and such.
I dont do many farms on bedrock but when i do half the time they dont work or redstone gets tweaked ever so slightly in the next update and i cant use them. Which would be fine if it was tweaked to be like java but its not and it never will be
Yet java cant move chest. Such a simple feature.
@@fastfirefox1475 I think that's what proves the ammount of problems it has more than anything. Having moveable chests seems like such an advantage, yet you will find little to no serious redstone players on Bedrock due to the other failings of its system, proving how problematic those failings are.
@@fastfirefox1475 for performance reasons
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with why this got released onto the Marketplace.
The Bedrock Edition marketplace has tons of copyrighted material on it that definitely isn't officially released by the creators (EX: Among Us skins, various other anime and video game based skins, etc). This is because the internal policy prevents the folks that approve content from blocking it for copyright reasons. Why?
It is to avoid liability on Microsoft/Mojang's end. For example, if they DID block for copyright infringement, it would make them legally liable for anything that does get through, and it isn't a reasonable ask to expect the people reviewing and approving the content to know about every piece of copyrighted material in the world. So, the responsibility for dealing with copyrighted content is left solely on the copyright holders filing DMCA takedowns. Similar to youtube, the DMCAs give strikes to partners that don't go away and if they accumulate enough strikes then the partner isn't allowed to be a part of the marketplace anymore.
You were my favorite minecraft TH-camr when I first started playing 10 years ago, can’t believe you’re still going strong it makes me happy to see. You’re the real OG bro.
From what I have heard, Mojang does not check content before its uploaded. Basically, they TRUST you when you become a Marketplace creator.
Can’t agree more with this. The Marketplace has turned into a toxic clickbait store where everybody copies everybody instead of making original content.
But hey, as long as the money keeps flowing right? 🤡
I agree with the fact that the marketplace is ass and it is very clickbait but I don't really see this specific instance as a horrific act of plagiarism. 10 dollars seems a bit expensive but it has been like 10 years and bedrock hasn't been able to experience the aether. It also looks to me like most of the textures are not replicas they are reproductions that are heavily inspired by the aether mod. This is as if someone made a product 10 years ago and now someone made the same product but slightly different. I really don't see it as plagiarism but I could be wrong.
@@ethanknecht3050 Copying is what plagiarism is. It doesn't have to be exactly the same to be plagiarism.
Capitalism in a nusthell. Thats why I liked the Java system, because at least Java content is *decommodified* , so there's way less insentive for people to steal, make clickbait etc. You could say it was a non-capitalist space. That's why I hate bedrock, not that I'm in principle against paying for supporting the creators but it's just a horrible system that benefits this kind of behavior and so there's very few free content and also very few good content.
Same thing is happening with Minecraft multiplayer servers. It's a cesspool of P2W and shady copycat servers. The fascinating diversity has been dominated by those who want to earn money on scamming others. And here as well Mojang isn't doing much, if anything at all.
@supernova026 It Definitly should have been free that is true but they kinda did give tribute they should have given more. BUT I can make a cover of a song rn and not ask for permission from the creator. It happens all the time on TH-cam. People will make the same type of video but give credit and No one cares I don't know how much credit they gave to the og creators but they should have given something.
I love that you expose these bad people. You should do more of these!
When Ant said "Game on responsibly", I thought he said 'Game unresponsibly' lmao
I totally agree that Redstone needs to be updated on Bedrock, but the bug about biomes not spawning correctly millions of blocks out does seem like a very minor issue
This is why allowing Minecraft to be monetized in any way beyond the base game always received backlash. It's a game where the player is supposed to express their creativity, and yet they allow community paywalls to exist.
I disagree. Also, there are no paywalls stopping players from expressing their creativity once they've bought the game itself.
6:25 That's because bedrock edition doesn't have the capabilities to add dimensions, only biomes. Still doesn't excuse this being on the marketolace
If they can make the nether and end dimension then surely they can add dimension functionality with some time and effort.
Minecraft bedrock marketplace was a mistake
Truly becuase it ruined the whole image of minecrafts map and resourcepack sharing for pocket edition
we need Mojang to stop after 1.19 and make 1.20 the quality of life update, fix bugs, optimise Java, sort out all the other issues. it's not a sexy update like caves and cliffs but it will make their millions of players much happier
Couldn’t agree more
There’s the problem. “In the long run” isn’t how a corporation operates.
There are many problems with how they treat the game. About that, can you talk about how Mojang made a fake bug that only marketplace maps have fixes, Mojang also refuses to fix the fake bug. Custom block models bigger than the normal 16x. Bedrock isn’t just the not as good version but it’s the one treated worse.
And all those awesome features that are disabled for non-marketplace creators and some dev tools that everyone on java has...
I really hope your video breaking down the issues with modern Minecraft reaches the people it needs to. Ever since Bedrock became the "Main" version of the game and gave Java Edition it's subtitle, it's been more and more frustrating every single time I try playing it. Even on my above average computer, Bedrock somehow manages to have worse performance compared to Java without mods. This even extends to the Switch version which needs some heavy optimizations, seeing as it will frequently hang in the menu for minutes at a time when I select an option. Redstone also has no excuse for being different between the two versions, and the fact they outright state they aren't going to create parity between the two in that regard is frustrating to say the least. I wonder just how much more Bedrock has broken with it that I don't know about either, like the generation breaking after going out so far you showed off today. Absolutely appalling they outright said they won't fix it either. Java Edition has its own issues too, but with Bedrock being what most people are playing and it somehow being in a worse state is really not okay.
just compare mouse and keyboard controls between the two versions. that should tell you everything
Bedrock used to run better on my previous potato laptop than Java before the RenderDragon thing came about
@@ralphjeremy6590 don't blame renderdragon, it has nothing to do with the current freezing and crashes, it's something else.
The quasi-connectivity is the Only Parity Difference that I find acceptable. The mechanic is technically a bug on Java, and my understanding is that recreating that bug in another codebase is HARD.
@@venomousfrog5546 Not especially. Quasi-connectivity seems like it would be tricky to reimplement on purpose, but it's just a result of some iron door code being reused improperly. A handful of early redstone blocks just happen to consider themselves powered so long as the block above them is powered, because as far as that bit of the code is concerned they're two blocks tall.
9:37 this is not the full story. this was closed as "won't fix" for being a duplicate, the duplicated one was marked the same because of a limitation bug baked into the present code that would require a whole rewrite to fix, and _that_ would cause its own problems (as the developer joke says, fix one bug and you get two)
9:56 more opinionated, but i'm of the idea it's too late for redstone parity between bedrock and java. both already have their own redstone communities doing massive stuff, and bringing parity means removing one system entirely, which _will_ cause problems for already-built contraptions. there's also the option of a toggle, but that would be clunky, unintuitable, and non-beginner friendly. not to mention how java redstone runs on bugs-turned-features, which would have to be converted to actual features in bedrock (since they don't use the same programming language, bugs written in java may not have the same effect as ones in c++). redstone parity is not really worth it right now
i know these aren't the main points of the video, i do agree mojang/microsoft/whoever runs the minecraft store needs to step up in making sure it's high quality and clean, but the conclusion was just not up to par.
Yeah I have to agree, the end of the video kinda came out of nowhere and felt more like ragging on mojang for completely unrelated minor issues which would take way more effort to fix compared to how much it would actually improve the game in return 😔 The way they handle the marketplace should absolutely be put under scrutiny though, as this affects way more people than some specific bugs that barely anyone would really experience. Better examples could have probably been chosen to illustrate the issues with bedrock instead of very niche stuff, because yeah i don't wanna say that bedrock is all clean of course, just that the way he presented his point made it hard to agree with
@@IbanPlay the thing is though little things go a long way and seeing how dedicated they are to “fixing” parity issues (those shouldn’t have ever been a thing but yk they built the game off of a damn tablet version) it should be realized that fixing bugs/security (especially problems that have been there for a long time) should be fixed after a certain amount of years. I get why it’s hard to fix things in games when the coding is completely different but they have the man power and money to do it. They just don’t want to, which if they do it doesn’t seem like it and they don’t communicate with fans and creators much besides the big titles and the only communication we get on the beta side of things are small snippets of bugs that were fixed and not any that might be in the works. They made the games code much harder then it has to be and that’s a fact when you compare it to Java. It was optimized for a small device, not a console with the power to handle more, which is why they had to fix the things like UI and loading.
I really hope this “brutally honest breakdown” isn’t meant to create even more infighting in the player base. While you raise valid concerns like parity, copyright, etc, it doesn’t matter if we play on Java or bedrock. There are so many more similarities than differences and we all just wanna have a fun time playing with blocks
I would agree with you, that yes, play on whichever version you like, but people that say stuff like "well, Minecraft is Minecraft!" always cover their ears when there is any constructive criticism towards Minecraft and say "Well, you are a hater! Java and Bedrock are actual more similar than you think and have more similarities than differences!", when, if that was the case, why the hell would Bedrock players want parity with Java? Want more proof? Check out SilentWisperer's channel. Maybe there wouldn't be "infighting" if the devs got off the high horses, sat down for a moment, and think "Hmm. Maybe we should stop with the updates that will continue to alienate the two versions of the game, and maybe work on parity?". Yes, we all want to have fun playing this funky block game, but we can't have fun if the devs don't listen to both communities. Because I'm pretty sure they only listen to Java, and barely listen to Bedrock. But, that's just my thoughts.
@Fat Chocobo I play both, as do many people. If you want to believe bedrock is inferior, that says more about you (and why it’s important for you to believe that) than it does about either version of the game. Is there mismanagement, yes. But there’s a reason Minecraft is the #1 most sold game of all time as of now, and that reason is bedrock edition
@@Chia_Mochia parity should be their top priority for both versions
@@kenny_the_real "There's a reason Minecraft is the #1 most sold game of all time as of now, and that reason is bedrock edition"
*AAAAND* I call for an *OBJECTION!*
Bedrock edition originally released as Pocket Edition in 2011. At the time, Minecraft's official sales statistics did not account for pocket edition, and by February of 2012, it was on the list of best selling games with 5 million copies sold. Mojang was bought in 2014 by Microsoft, and by the time that had happened, Minecraft had sold 49.5 million copies, placing it at #3. This was BEFORE Bedrock Edition, since Pocket Edition was not a cross platform experience. Minecraft Pocket Edition left beta in June of 2017, by which point Minecraft had sold 122 million copies. Bedrock Edition, which was a half assed port of Pocket Edition to all platforms, *FINALLY* released in September of 2017, and by January the game had sold 178 million copies(still in 2nd place for a while.) Finally, in 2020, Microsoft reported a grand total of 200 million copies, making it the #1 sold game of all time(so far.)
Now, pay attention to the momentum. Between 2012 and 2014, 44.5 million copies had been sold. Between 2014 and 2017, an additional 72.5 million copies had been sold(roughly 48 million copies per 2 years.) The problem with your assertion is between 2017 and 2020, when Bedrock edition was most prevalent, and should've had the most impact, only *22 million copies were sold.* If anything, Bedrock appears to have *destroyed* the sales of Minecraft, not make it the #1 most sold game like you so claim. One look at 2022 and we're still not looking any better than the momentum of 2012-2017, with only 38 million copies sold in a two year time span.
Conclusion:Bedrock has nothing to do with the fact that Minecraft is the game with the most sales ever.
Playing with peoples money never ends well.
Bedrocks list of issues only grows more everyday. I miss the simple console edition or just straight Java
The entire concept of Bedrock Edition is a scam. Make money off of DLCs in a game that already costs money while providing 30% of the quality. I have played Bedrock (MCPE) for 4 years now and right after transitioning to JAVA, I begun to understand how absolutely horrible Bedrock is. I stand with you and your opinion fully, Ant. Bedrock is a cheap money machine.
I highly disagree.
I disagre, Bedrock is actually awsome, and I would play it more if it were avialable to Linux and macOS (I don't use Windows), I currently can only play on my Android, and there are some very cool servers. One of my favorite servers used to be the Hive Java, but since it shut down, I'm struggling to find a Hide and Seek game that works just like the one they had. Except, they have an amazing Hide and Seek game on the featured Hive server for Bedrock, it's truly amazing. Not to mention the quality of Bedrock featured servers is overall much higher (with some exeptions like Pixel Paradise, that one is trash)
Absolutely agree. Sure it’s a good option if you don’t have a PC, but the quality compared to Java or even the legacy console versions is far worse.
I totally agree that Bedrock has A LOT of issues, and it should be heavily criticized, but saying it's a scam is just disingenuous, there's a lot of good things about it that are actually better than Java
@@WolfiiDog13 name one or more of those "better things" then.
I think a big problem with a lot of the bugs/parity issues is the fact that fixing then take a lot of effort, energy, and time. These might not be the biggest issues if thr community was supportive, but when mojang delays something, or scales something back go increase performance or reduce bugs the community gets very angry. They claim to want all these issues fixed, but do you think the community would honestly be okay with going 1-2 years with no feature updates?
as someone who mainly plays and creates content on bedrock edition, i really can't disagree with any of your points in this video. there are even more examples of this happening on the marketplace, and mojang really doesn't seem to want to take proactive decisions to stop stuff like this from happening. as for bugs, it's not called bugrock edition for nothing, and there's a lot of problems with the "renderdragon" rendering engine, and they just forced all players to use it, rendering the game on lower end devices barely playable.
definitely interested to see what you have to say in your bedrock video in may, looking forward to it.
I really hope bedrock steps up their game and fixes shit. If stuff like this keeps happening on bedrock, bedrock will start to decline. I really don't want to see a game I grew up with just go dead like legacy edition.
@@LiteracyLovesYou i mean you could always go with java
@@dubl33_27 yea I know that, but bedrock just feels normal for me to play. I do play java, I am actually working on my survival world digging out a giant hole for my base undergroun. I died on my hardcore world which kind of sucked. But I haven't been motivated to play minecraft at all that much. I have been playing Geometry dash.
yeah renderdragon really sucks, they pretty much broke shaders.
@@lucidlywaking7286 not to mention the damn fps drop and l a g , for me
Besides the marketplace, Minecraft Bedrock is missing a lot of fixes and java features. An example would be creating custom flat worlds. It's such an old java feature, yet mojang didn't make it possible to do *in game*. It's possible, but we shouldn't need an external program to do this.
I recently updated my old bedrock world only to find randomly floating trees in my skyline.
Pretty sure that is one of the main criticisms of the Marketplace from people who use it, that there is very little quality control so it's unsurprising that stolen content can also show up there
What sucks to me is that visually, the bedrock version is a clear upgrade, it's so clear that the people who made this were talented and passionate, and yet they didnt even approach the original team, these groups combined could have made an insanely good project
In my opinion Java one looks way better and more polished
Hey, AntVenom, I think that you probably should have picked another sponsor for this video, consider Raid has ALSO had allegations of theft of intellectual property.
AntVenom probably knows. He only cares about getting that money.
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I felt like something like this was bound to happen after seeing a bunch of "legally distinct" skins of well known characters on the shop
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I hope that your video will finally push the right people to do something against this problem.
Minecraft multiplayer is yet another area of the game where very shady stuff has been happening for at least 5 years now (P2W servers, copycat servers, botted servers, etc...). I think it would be a great idea for another video in the future.
*BOTTLED SERVERS?* What does that even mean?
I'd like to see the broken mountain generation turned into an actual feature in both versions.
yeah honestly it looked pretty cool
Far Lands biome would be awesome ngl
Definitely looking forward to your total roast/breakdown of Bedrock's issues!! See you then, Ant
I hope the combat mechanics are in it
Currently we have java pvp without timed clicks
@supernova026 honestly, It will not surprise me if Microsoft sees the ratings go down and just gives up on Bedrock.
@@SaishoVibes The majority of Minecraft players play bedrock
And the majority of bedrock players dont care about the marketplace
Killing off bedrock will cause sales to plummet
They should just remove the marketplace or just have better moderation
You mean roast he did that already
@@star5384 You clearly didn't watch the whole video. He literally said it was coming out in May
a Raid Shadow Legends ad is very fitting for a video about a company doing things for money without caring about the consumers and community
To put it simply, it Bedrock was caught up with Java and had the ability to use multiple purchases together, exactly like you can with mods. I would absolutely spend more than I probably should because playing it on my switch is by far my favorite. But I play Java on the computer simply because you can't put banners on Shields
this reminds me of the Faithful resourcepack drama
When the ad is almost a third of the video length
Can't believe that Mojang didn't even take down as one of the creators was on their team. It's like working for your enemy. So glad you are talking about this!
What I didn't know was the Twilight Forest copying though.
The marketplace has literally no quality control to the point where even the developers of the games content gets stolen
Its cool to see recreations but I see unapproved recreations only good if its a dead project where the creator doesnt respond to people. And to have people pay for it you need to have improved it, not make it a set.
the fact its not even a dimension but a glorified adventure map...
The problem is that mojang itself is rotting away, not minecraft.
You see, ever since microsoft acquired mojang, their plans for the game have never been to impress the players, mostly anyways, but instead to make the most profit which is then eaten all up by microsoft, after that microsoft dumps a tiny fraction as mojang's next budget.
This is why minecraft, the worlds most popular game, is being starved of updates and content, and even critical fixes are slow.
Absolutely agree. Mojang genuinely cared about the game and player base beforehand, and Java edition was the main. Correct me if I'm wrong but the legacy console editions were discontinued because of bedrock coming into play, and those versions were honestly the most well made and stable
@@Dguilfoyle26 That is very true..I remember legacy console being the most fun I've ever had in this game.
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 Same here. When I first got my xbox my brother and I had a minecraft world that we played for hours at a time. One of my most treasured memories
Bedrock edition is so pathetic to me. As someone who mainly plays the Java version, I'm baffled every time I touch Bedrock by how incomplete and broken it feels. I would love for it to get better, but I stopped caring so many years ago.
I'll just stick to my comfy version (as long as it's still around)
I hate raid shadow legends with a fiery passion, but damn, I wish user rankings for characters was a standard in gaming, that's not a bad feature
I made the Heaven Dimension datapack and I purposely tried to avoid anything Aether related for this very reason and people just came up and copied the whole project.
"it ripped off the Twilight Forest mod"
now it got personal
THATS MY FAVORITE DIMENSION MOD!
I find it pretty appalling how differently the Bedrock and Java editions are handled. The MC marketplace and Bedrock skin systems have always come off to me as problematic and the fact that Microsoft and Mojang are just sitting there and allowing content theft to happen *when real money is involved* because it'll make them more money makes me so sad, but also I feel so validated for being a Java purist.
luckily you can use the java skins on windows 10 edition and i think mobile, but console players are still screwed
if they added a pixel-by-pixel skin editor to bedrock it wouldn't even shut down their skin profits since they could still sell the various cosmetics that add more 3d models
How can people steal mods and no one do nothing about it
I have said this time and time again and it still holds true to this very day so I'm gonna say it again. Minecraft Java edition has better unofficial support than Minecraft bedrock edition has official support.
Fr, in Java I can just add mods for anything Mojang has ever neglected. Better performance? Mods. Bugfixes? Mods. Very small QoL stuff that don't harm gameplay? Mods.
I even made a private Fabric modpack for playing vanilla JUST with client side mods (FYI: Mods that don't add new content and can be used in servers). The result? 100 mods. It isn't a lot, especially since I'm a person who plays modpacks with 200~300 mods, but I didn't want to go crazy and as I said before, it was just client side mods, and a few of them were libraries. Still, I don't like the fact that mojang is too lazy to add urgent performance and QoL stuff to the game, like inventory sorting, trash slots, better rendering, physics, better animations, immersive particles, hiding offhand items while not using them, as well as some of the usual must haves for modded (JEI, minimaps and WAILA), among others. Very small things that together make a huge difference and improve the gameplay (at least for me). So yeah, I wish they actually cared about all that stuff and it was not just about the money, but sadly, that is never the case with big companies like Micro$oft.
It's just sad 23 year old neckbeards living on their parents' basement can pump out better mods than a trillionaire company with hundreds of programmers can make updates. Sure they don't have to worry about of the things they are adding to the game fits in Vanilla, but that doesn't mean those mods are bad. Just take a look at mods like Create, Astral Sorcery, Thaumcraft, Mekanism, Mekanism, etc. They don't fit the game at all but they are very impressive, hight quality mods you can get for free and the devs make wayy less money, the only money they get is through downloads or donations.
@@Ehllay The beauty of it all is that the playerbase probably does a better job than mojang would ever do anyway. If mojang made half of the things that the mod community already does they would probably do it like 10 times worse. Like take performance improvements for example. Mojang would probably create more bugs than they would fix in an alternate universe where they wrote the same performance fixes that sodium or optifine are designed to fix. Also if mojang were to do this, then there would be no reason for something like optifine to exist and thus shader packs would also probably not be a thing. I honestly wouldn't have it any other way than it is now. Java edition minecraft is by far the superior version of the game because clients like fabric and forge literally make the game modular, you just pop anything and everything you could ever want onto it as a module and you add or remove them as you please. Literally anything is possible inside of minecraft because of this modular design. And this also echoes the spirit of the game because minecraft was created with the idea that you can build anything you like and to have absolute creative freedom, you can tweak literally everything about it from the textures, to the blocks, to the freaking game mechanics and CONTENT. And you can build cities, towns, and technological marvels using redstone. I mean this video game is the shining beacon to THE WHOLE WORLD as to what true creative freedom looks like. Minecraft is the greatest video game to EVER exist, and anyone who says otherwise either has an IQ of 60, has only ever seen the bedrock version (the cut down version), or lives in a cave.
@@ambrosekillpack4841 I do agree that modders sometimes do a far worse worse job than mojang when it comes to the quality and originality of their features. For example take Quark's frogs. If you compare them to Vanilla frogs, they have a awful model and it is practically useless. Not saying that the entirety of Quark is bad, in fact, I love that mod and some of the features it had in the past even got into the game, like basalt, I just think the frogs look bad.
Also, Mojang actually tried to buy Optifine but it didn't go well, as the autor was kinda greedy and wanted to keep selling capes and that stuff. If Optifine or Sodium were implemented into the game, I don't think there would be many bugs, those mods are pretty stable on their own, they only cause issues with other mods, but modders can make their mods compatible with them anyway (except for OF).
Also you said that if we get an official performance update, then mods like Sodium wouldn't be needed anymore, however it is pretty likely that those mods will find another ways of optimizing the game, however if the performance update was actually really good, then the issues with performance in the past would be gone and we wouldn't need mods to make the game run better, and I honestly think that if the players of the game need a mod to make the game run better, then there's something wrong with your game. A lot of games like Terraria or Skyrim don't need performance mods to be playable after all
dont call them mojang, mojang died awhile back. They are microsoft now.