michael smith I’m not even a Connor fan but wtf are you talking about? What does 50-0 in boxing and having more clout have to do with fighting mma instead of just boxing? Because they knew Floyd would get absolutely destroyed inside the cage goofy, that’s why. I mean Connor was the biggest draw in the entire UFC at the time to sooo, and that man Floyd legs would be takin out from under him within the first 2 minutes. “Floyd’s 50-0” yea in boxing, BOXING ONLY. I WISH Floyd would step into the cage. We all know what would happen. But I forgot it’s all about ‘Clout’ nowadays and I guess that’s what you’re about as well🤷🏼♂️
Boxing to MMA is like swimming to triathlon. A triathlete is well rounded at everything but a master of nothing. A triathlete won't beat michael phelps in a swimming race, lance armstrong in a bike race or a kenyan in a long distance race.
boxing is a beautiful sport. just few factors ruined it. corruption and having competitors that are such pussies that they just run around, using the rule set to avoid any action and play it safe
@Abdi Abdiwahid Mayweather will be remembered for his record and for being the one who ruined boxing with play it safe style and corruption. the rest of them will be forgotten by majority of the boxing world soon. hell 2 of the guys you mentioned are known just because they fought Mayweather.
Good wrestling and average bjj, and superior boxing and you will do more than just well in mma, they only thing i dont like about the boxing sport is the rules to many for my liking, but oh god they can throw a punch, boxing is such a benefit for mma no doubt
@Shashwat mishra shut the fuck up its way less corrupted than it was in the past, basically every fight was fixed in the 1920s and before and nobody gave a fuck
Their tactics involved in boxing. Boxing vs streetfighter end in seconds or in a single punch. MMA vs streetfighter last longer and always escalet to geound and takes even longer. You can mix anything with boxing and you get a very effective fighter. MMA fighters believe that's all they need.
This is true, but at the same time the reason for that is the UFC pretty much monopolizes the sport of MMA. They have dictatorial ability to make fights and nobody gives any importance to the Bellator, One etc belts at all (even when you have say Mighty Mouse getting knocked out in One or Chandler comes in and fights for a UFC belt in his second fight when hes been KO'd in the first round in Bellator by a FW a couple of years back) . With boxing theres multiple promotions and belts that are viewed as being at a similar level to each other so its a lot more work to get those fights made. It does happen though, Taylor/Ramirez just now being one example.
@Smarty Pants Again, Chandler came to the UFC from Bellator a few months ago and knocked out top 5 ranked at the time Hooker in the first round, he just now came very close to winning the title as he had Oliveira badly hurt. This is the same Chandler that was stopped in the first round by Patricio Pitbull not all that long ago. Mighty Mouse left the UFC as some peoples p4p no1, his loss to Cejudo was a split decision, hes just been KTFO in One FC. Eddie Alvarez was KO'd in his first fight in One FC, this was about 15 months after he beat Gaethje. And if you dont think Jan vs the winner of the Bellator LHW GP is a more legitimate LHW title fight than Jan/Glover, or that Usman vs Lima isnt a more legitimate fight than Usman vs journeyman Jorge, you're drinking the UFC kool aid.
@Smarty Pants *"And with Boxing there are NOT promotions like this. The WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO are SANCTIONING BODIES, NOT promitions. Top Rank, Matchroom, Golden Boy and so on are the promotions"* When did I say otherwise? *"In MMA you get to fight the BEST without a belt on the line"* You mean like when Khabib and Ferg fought, or when Ronda and Cyborg fought, or when Brock and Fedor fought, or when GSP and Anderson fought. Oh and of course the Volk/Ortega winner will fight the Pitbull/Mckee winner right?, and the Jan/Glover winner will fight the winner of the Bellator LHW GP.....riiiiiiiiiiiight?
The way I've been thinking of it; boxing is like a duel, where the fighters come in under a certain set of conditions (mma has conditions too) and they agree to a bout under those conditions. Mma is more like a gladiator match, where each fighter could be completely unique with their skill set. I love both sides, their differences make them more interesting
I agree in everything except the skillset part. Both sports have a very unique variety of fighting styles. Many boxers will fight differently than others. Same with mma, of course mma is more wider in variety because of kicks and elbows.
mma vs boxing, mac vs pc, iphone vs android, ps4 vs xbox. people love getting competitive over justifying what they consume for some reason. appreciating both is very possible
@@ismailmustafa5068 thats why boxing has more deaths every year right? not something to brag about but still. does mma ever even have any deaths? What's the worst injury? a fucking leg injury or broken bone? Boxers face death every time they step in the ring.
u never see MMA fighters talking shit about boxing while boxers talk shit on MMA every fucking week but then MMA fighter just says "well buddy bring your boxing. here in MMA you can box so come and show me"
How they are warriors? do they kill people? do they fight to protect they lives? do they go to war? they are sportsmen, athletes entertainers. Soldier are warriors.
Xperte Gamer2406 stop lying again. It is very true and you know it. The only mma fighter who called out a boxer was the triple c cuz he saw what artem did to malignaggi
I love boxing for the purity, I love MMA for the adaptive combat. I hate that a lot of boxing now a days is all about outboxing but hey it’s their era. I hate that so many MMA matches end up on the ground but hey that’s the way to win. Either way I love both for different reasons and watch both.
@@sheadoherty7434 Well yeah, it's the most effective and safest style so your fighter doesn't get injured, however there have been great fighters that showed it wasn't the only way. For example Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson, and Sonny Liston. Outboxing is just not as exciting imo.
@@spartan1010101 mike tyson was a short heavyweight, so being an inside fighter made sense. It's not just about safety but how you're put together. Tyson Fury for example would be a terrible inside fighter. Ruiz, being 6'2 is an excellent inside fighter.
I hate it when joe tells jamie to pull somthing up and they spend ages reacting to it and we never see it. Not necessarily this time but it's happened a lot before
YES BOXING & MMA are BOTH under the fighting umbrella... People are goofy!!! I am taking boxing classes now BUT I LOVE MMA... WE ARE ONE community & Humanity too
I'm pretty sure you cede the moral high ground about collective brotherhood when you train in a discipline designed to rattle a man's brain around his skull.
Dorian Wayne thanks for a retarded comment that didn’t address any point on this thread. I love me some MMA but I’m young, my friends are young, and the millions of people who pay millions of dollars to see a good boxing match aren’t going anywhere. Boxing isn’t dying any time soon. But I do hope MMA gets more world wide recognition
Honestly, I agree with Joe on bare knuckle. Now that we are studying the long term effects, gloves are softer, but they rock the brain still with each strike. With bare knuckle, you're still rocking the brain, but it hurts a lot more so it's harder to ignore major damage being done in a fight, and your body encourages you to stop more (resulting in more pain, but less brain damage). Along with that, there are also less strikes because punching someone in their skull hurts your knuckles, so you have to be more cerebral with your strikes.
Knuckles do increase the chance of a body injury though, on both fighters behalf. More likely to fuck your hand up, more likely to blind or welt the opponent too. It’s a tricky thing because how the fuck do you avoid injury in combat sports lmfao. Brain damage is ultimately worse than the things I listed (blindness is debatable lol) so it’s still right
That’s everywhere. I was in the Marines, I’d come across other Marines who would see Army or Air Force people and they’d talk shit about em, like we’re not all on the same team. it’s lame as hell, but it’s everywhere.
Ya, I guess you could say it’s in jest or it’s lad banter, or even healthy competition (I guess)... wasn’t my thing. Kinda felt like high school, jocks vs nerds and shit
I disagree. The best boxers in the world are far better boxers than the best MMA fighters are at at MMA fighting. It’s a hell of a lot harder to win a belt in the sweet science than MMA
@@josephcassidy1854 Why do you say that? I don't agree. MMA fighters are just as legit as boxers. Daniel Cormier is a high-level olympic wrestler and UFC champ. He's a real athlete. In his third MMA fight he beat the shit out of WBA boxing champ Lucas Browne. From what I can tell MMA fighters are just as good as boxers.
The only thing I don’t like about boxing that it’s not practical. Bobbing and weaving is a Muay Thai’s person dream. Just through a knee right up and knock him out.
Kek Your Privilege not true. Connor McGregor is a painfully average athlete who walked through a division with ease. Boxers fight for 36 minutes at a far higher pace and there is millions more boxers than MMA fighters. Trying to compare a complete donkey in Lucas Browne who won a 3rd level title against another donkey. Cormier is the goat of MMA, such a stupid analysis. For example, Shawn porter is far better at his craft than Aldo. It’s a lot easier to become an MMA fighter because the majority are not professional athletes like boxing.
I'm glad the animosity between the two sports has died down as well, I just wish some other combat sports will end up getting the attention they deserve, such as Kickboxing, Taekwondo, and submission grappling (particularly Catch Wrestling, and Sambo / JJJ, too much BJJ).
IndigoXYZ18 grappling sports will never get as big to appreciate a grappling sport you have to have actually done it yourself any casual fan can see someone getting punched in the face and find entertainment in it
Robert Byrne I think Edgy Brah's idea of allowing palm strikes while on the ground will do a lot to not only make BJJ more watchable for the average fan, but also more practical and give the grapplers the base skills to transition into MMA. That said I think more agressive submission grappling arts could revive public intrest in watching fighters go to the ground, like how people like watching Khabib (that's not to say that the defencive submissions of BJJ can't be entertaining, but it's understanding why the aberage fan yawns). Wrestling is a watered down version of Catch Wresling, which has all of the takedowns of Catch but none of the submissions. Much like how Judo is a watered down version of Japanese Jiu Jitsu, with all the throws and only a small handfull of legal subs. The bastardization of these artst started when they banned subs in the Olympics for Wrestling, and when most of the subs were taken out of JJJ for competition, something similar is happening to BJJ where it is often being trained for competition rather than for an actual fight. Sambo on the other hand does it right, the art is a hybrid of Greco-Roman wrestling with only a handfull of actual wrestling subs, but rather using Japanese Jiu Jitsu for their submission base. Not to mention they allow striking from all different kinds of arts, usually Kyokushin Karate and Boxing but sometime Muay Thai as well.
Capitalism Works Get Over It Personally I prefer to see grappling mixed in with striking. However I love Kickboxing and seeing striking taken to that level of skill. It's for the same reason why I love all of the limited combat sports, you get to see all the skill concentrated in one area. It's why I think it's such a shame Taekwondo never took off, it's like the skill level of Boxing translated into kicking rather than punching.
Im a boxer, I love boxing, I love mma. I dont watch mma as much as I watch boxing, but I highly respect mma. Its an amazing sport, one of the best. Both are sweet sciences, both have a lotta mind power involved. The boxing vs mma debate or any other combat sport for that matter (except aikido fuck aikido) is childish, different sports. Boxer loses an mma fight and Mma fighter loses a boxing fight. Seperate sports.
Trashcan and Bubba •• I know last year PBC Numbers were better in America than Ufc Numbers were. PBC being just a single company in Boxing, And the UFC representing a single company in MMA. Many would say the ufc is the most popular company in mma. Remember though, The numbers were regarding American viewership. Boxing never dropped beneath MMA in terms of viewership, it was more so that MMA had two really big stars simultaneously in Connor & Rousey. They were mma’s first huge mega stars. So a few years back mma had a lot of momentum BUT it was primarily just the UFC. Unlike in Boxing, promoters in mma don’t work together. So once it died down with both stars taking losses- the world of mma stopped making noise. If MMA companies would work together, they’d be able to give Boxing a run. But Boxing was never in any danger of being surpassed in popularity. It’s a cemented global sport. A huge legacy and a lot of history involved. I’ll put it this way- during those same few years MMA witnessed it’s two mega stars like never seen before- Floyd Mayweather made more money than any other athlete in ANY sport- with only about $10 million of it coming from endorsements. While his peers made a combined 100s of millions in endorsements. Floyd generated over a billion dollars purely through Boxing alone- no endorsements. Now that Boxing is witnessing a new batch of future super stars with People like Deontay Wilder/Canelo Alvarez/Gervonta Davis/Anthony Joshua/etc It’s probably gonna be a stretch to say MMA will surpass it any time soon. Hopefully mma promoters will work together to grow the sport.
My last 2 years as an amateur boxer, my coach always welcomed jiu jitsu and mma practitioners to the gym. He always wanted us to be safe in case we got in a scuffle out of competition and would know how to move around on the ground as well. Those were fun and challenging times.👌🏼 It baffled my mind on how much skill there was involved to grappling/jiu jitsu(much respect). Boxing is one spectrum, but It’s a whole new chess game in the grappling world.
I'm a boxer and I've done mma before and yeah it's crazy man I love mma and boxing both sports are so tactical and skilled I love it I just hate when non Fighters try compare the 2 in a street Fight when they haven't fought before u don't see mma Fighters tryna tease Boxers about that shit it's all respect
@@Pablo-lv3ub its legit always fans that never train that be like HURRP DURRRP MANNN BOXINGG NOT REAAAHUL FIGHT GET REKT IN THE CAGEEEE lmao. meanwhile people in gyms respect each art lmao
@@liltonydeAngelo exactly like they think mma Fighters and Boxers train to fight each other in the middle of a road like they train to be the best at what they do like basketballers and football players don't train to play hockey with each other its stupid exactly what you said get in the ring or the cage then state your opinion don't just sit on your back at home talking shi when you never trained before always the fat lazy weak mfs
Absolutely love it when a fighter bigs himself up in his style expecting to walk all over their opponent only to be proven to be out of their depth. Reminds me of training in kick boxing in the 80's, first girl to train at the club, long reach. I stepped into a fast straight cross and come away with a broken nose. Lesson learned from that moment on 😁😁😁
The whole thing is stupid. People can like both boxing and MMA no problem, the only people that start shit are the ones who cant appreciate and understand how hard both sports are. When you watch UFC events and the fight is on the ground most of the crowd do not want to watch that, they boo and whistle. They want the fight stood up and want to see fists being thrown. Boxing in MMA is very much involved and usually the fighter with the better boxing wins.
@@shaggyrogers7986 True. As a Khabib fan, I embrace this aspect (referencing all of those mongoloid memes 😂) I'm a Savage caveman that can whoop some ass.
I Like mma more then boxing I did boxing for 8 months and it’s boring to me because all you do it’s punching and right now I’m training Muay Thai and I love it it more fighting or maybe because I love mma more because I grew up watching vhs tapes of martial arts and I did taekwondo jujitsu and judo at the age 11.
Chris SE same here man i used to be a boxer but i stop cause it got boring to me to. i went to mma cause i wanted to learn how to do leg kicks, submissions and other techniques
Either both of them are actual fighting or neither of them are. They're both sports with rounds, weight classes and tons of rules. How many street fights look anything like an MMA fight?
ministryOFmuff yh but how many street fights consist of just using their fists? None someone kicks or atleast goes to the ground, MMA destroys in every category and can adapt to all scenarios. Boxing v MMA in a fight with just normal street fight rules, MMA destroys thats a fact boxing would only win if it was boxing rules, period
@@brucewhitemusic9733 You are dreaming.!! A street fighter is not getting a trained boxer on the ground!! Boxer's are masters of distance and punch faster, more accurately and harder than an MMA guy. They also have superior footwork. What do you think will happen if you shoot/charge a boxer?? Do you think they will go limp and just fall on the ground?? No... if/when you grab them they will be raining blows down on your head like you cant imagine and if one catches you right (and it will) you will go to sleep. Theoretically a grown man (200 lbs) can grab, choke, strangle or break the neck of a raccoon (30 lbs)...go try and do it and see how easy it is.
@chauncey phillips Thanks for your perspective. I agree that most street fights end up on the ground but thats just a result of the combatants severe lack of striking skill an crappy stamina. If an MMA guy manages to get the Boxer on the ground without getting his bell rung, then the MMA guy has the advantage once it goes to the ground but if on the way in the boxer catches him, he's up sh**s creek without a paddle. As for Muay Thai, those guys hands are absolute garbage compared to a boxer. If the boxer realizes he is in with a MT guy which is obvious by their guard position he may get leg checked but will quickly close the distance and put the MT guy to sleep. I've seen it several times in real life and have personally been in a sitch like that as well. Then again I have a martial arts background so kicks dont throw me off at all.
Every time I turn on an mma match it's just 2 guys in the missionary position wearing spandex panties trying to choke each other. It's basically gay s&m porn.
@@codybischoff1010 lmao u wish, Floyd made a billion off of boxing and people like u paid money to watch him lose, and no MMA UFC fight has ever been bigger than a big boxing fight, they don't even make nowhere near the money boxers make, and like i said boxing is bigger than ever with all the new stars that DID come from that the last decade of watching FLOYD
ricardo barbosa no one said Floyd Mayweather doesn’t make money, the reality is boxing USED to be VERY BIG. But now, it’s crystal clear that mma has surpassed it. You can bring up number and ppv, mma has surpassed boxing in the last 5-10 years especially.
2020 Boxing- lomachenko, canelo, Golovkin, Ryan García, Teófimo López, tank davis, pacquiao, Joshua, tyson fury, Andy Ruiz, Santacruz, Mikey Garcia and the list goes on and on! UFC- mcgregror and khabib! Both retired!
Yes, punching peoples heads off is real classy… In an amateur wrestling match, you can easily win without doing a whole lot of damage to your opponent.
I play rugby and I heard some of this between football and rugby, completely different sports and both are very unique Sharing a couple of components, but it’s ok to enjoy both
Boxing is a marathon, and the pain is from blunt force trauma . Mma is like the 400m high intensity but it ends quicker. It takes more cardio and heart to box but it takes more guts and knowledge about fighting styles to get in the cage .
I myself as a boxer for 21 years prefer Boxing, fight like your Daddy taught ya. Man to man, hand to hand. Shake hands after. That's what Boxing teaches you, respect, nobility and Honor.
Fighting like a man doesn’t mean shit. A fight is a fight. And mma shows you respect through multiple forms of combat. How can limiting what you can do to someone make it man to man?
the issue is mma's audience in the us is closer to the wwf than boxing, these mma guys have a huge chip on their shoulder with regards to boxing. constantly trying to downplay what is objectively a more dangerous sport, with a deeper talent pool and greater history
History isn’t everything though, and downplaying something for being more dangerous isn’t a bad thing either. The 10 count is unnecessary and it doesn’t work in the street, therefore boxing isn’t really real fighting is it. It’s a decent little sport but nobody fights it’s boring. The TH-camrs have literally saved your sport from death.
There’s just something about two guys standing fighting with strictly fist for 12 rounds that is intriguing. MMA is much more brutal but it usually ends quickly & grapplers which tend to be the most dominant aren’t intriguing to the casual fan. Love both, started boxing at 7 & Started expanding to other martial arts at 11. Boxings killing itself, MMA isn’t. Boxers aim for money so they fight Mediocre or Decent fighters to build their record rather than making the great fights happen.
true, boxing at its best is superior to mma, that wrestling shit is awful, but i do feel if the talent level went up in mma you could get some really insane martial arts fights, the rules are too wrestling friendly
@@applejuice9468 it is especially since the ufc has that dumb rule no knees on the ground when they legalize that half of them nut huggers get knocked out cold
it always annoyed me too because fighting is fighting - sure there's nothing wrong with having a preference but combat sport whether it be, boxing, kick boxing, mma, etc is great to watch when its a great fight. I think a lot of the animosity was born of ignorance. The early MMA fights were so ground fight centric and its hard to appreciate what's going on at ground level when you don't get the subtleties of the moves. Stand up fighting of any kind is pretty basic so its easy to follow, easy to appreciate. I never disliked MMA per se but now that I know a little more about grappling thanks to the great commentary and videos on youtube explaining stuff, I can actually enjoy the entire range of an MMA contest.I suppose it doesn't hurt that stand up fighting became a big part of MMA and when they changed the rules to stand the guys up from "stalemate" grappling situation - I know the purists don't like it but it makes for better entertainment and the sport is way past being about proving who has the better martial art
Uh no. I see people on ESPN or sports networks say this and it's false. You know why. Because anything you can do in a boxing ring, you can do in MMA to try and win the fight. Boxing is included. Bb vs football analogy is just plain stupid.
I don’t get the point why people hate on different martial arts, just let people like what they like, weather it’s a striking sport, a grappling sport. Or MMA
Ol Ol to keep it simple I mean that you can lose more fights in the ufc and still be a star but if you’re an undefeated boxer and you lose a couple fights people forget about you more easily. Plus there’s so many different titles in boxing you kinda gotta win a shit ton of belts before you get recognized by the casuals
Arjen Robbed we all saw what happen last time the best "connor" stepped into a boxing ring 😂🤣 anybody can street fight kick choke whatever u wanna call it.but only real men can box
@@ritzkola2302 lol randy couture was even older than toney and holly holm knocked out out ronda then lost to her next fight and i believe 4 out of her last 5 are loses so i dont know what that has to do with anything
Honestly it all depends what your into.. I love both sports. Boxing isn't just about punching, its an art form of punching that you have to master. UFC is just crazy, adrenaline high, blood flowing, anythingn can go, its entertainming because its the closest thing to a "real street fight" you can get.
As someone that boxed, nothing spectacular, and someone that was trained in modern army combatives, I fell in love with boxing first then as I trained in combatives I fell in love with jujitsu. I love mma and boxing. MMA, well, it's in the name, mixed martial arts, boxing, wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, karate whatever, they are all sums of the whole. To be successful in MMA these days, you have to be good at multiple disciplines not just one, so I dont understand the arguement that ones better than the other. I think the McGregor/Mayweather fight illustrated that a man that spent his life training as a boxer is a better boxer than an MMA guy. A guy that's been in MMA his whole life would be better in MMA than a guy that only trained in boxing.
@Flyguy182 I'm not sure what you mean, but as someone that has done both boxing and jujitsu, and as a student and observer of the sport, boxing is a huge part of mma.
i get the argument for mma the fact its a no holds bar fight. But I think there is something more noble at a boxing match, when a person hits a floor in boxing you cant hit them. you can't hit people when their defenseless for starters. in mma, you can knock a guy out while their defenseless on the floor.I find that slightly cowardly in a way.
Ur the guy in horror movies who thinks the monster’s dead after one hit or blow, only to turn around and get eaten or chased because you didn’t follow up
"Boxing is dying" - he said 10 years ago. 10 years later Canelo signs a deal with DAZN for $350Million and DAZN invest over $1.3BILLION in boxing. MMA fanboys are on suicide watch.
@@mikegold3130 - Go look at how many boxers are on the FORBES highest paid athletes list for 2019. Then try to find the MMA fighters on that list - Good Luck! LOL!
garichar who the fuck reads that bull shit 😂 what are we in 2005? No one gives a fuck. The only way guys are being noticed is online social media. Conor has gathered more attention than any one out there and he isn’t even fighting. Look how many followers canelo has compared to mcgregor it’s hilarious.
They’re completely different. And no mixed martial artist could switch and be a major title belt holder at any weight. And no boxer today could be a title holder in any mma promotion. They should be respected as two different aspects of fighting
This video shows just how much MMA has evolved. I watch fights on as many as 5 screens when everything comes on in one day. It's harder to submit fighters including boxers and strikers these days. likewise, Grappler KO'd opponents with punches and kicks.
There's also MMA fans constantly saying this or that is the end of boxing like the bad judge in canello Vs GGG is the end of boxing both sides are just as bad as the other but it's also the minority of Both sides the majority respect both
Why would boxing fans have an inferiority complex towards mma? Boxing is an ancient sport, it's in the Olympics, makes way more money than mma and is overall more popular around the world. Yes, obviously in a fight with mma rules an mma fighter would win, no shit, but that's not the point: it's not street fight defense, it's combat sports, with rules and referees. So the 'Bro, an mma guy would f you up on the streets' argument carries no weight. I train mma and boxing, and both have their challenges. Staying in a ring and getting punched in the face is just as hard as getting choked or ambared, and people willing to endure any of those things deserve respect
Rafa aka MrStealYoGirl There’s idiotic fans from both sides that disrespect the other sport. You probably join in with the mma couch fans that attempt to disrespect boxing that’s why you don’t notice it going the other way
I did boxing and karate first and I was totally out striking mma ppl but I got taken down easy so I had to learn take down defense and submission defence and wrestling now I'm not to bad 😂 Honestly in street fights I've been in striking wins the day though dont want to ever be on the ground
I saw the first Ali vs frazier fight in 1971. 15 rounds of drama. Nothing like it. 6 months of arguing before the fight. Tommy Hearns vs Marvin hagler. Best 3 rounds I ever saw. The ufc is great too. Boxing at the top levels draws well, but the ufc provides more shows.
I'm more of a boxer fan but I must say both sides need to learn about each other more mma is great like ju jitsu that shit is serious like the science behind it's just like boxing when it comes to knowledge of the skill
Thankyou for being so reasonable. I saw one dude saying that and I quote 'Any spastic can get in the cage in MMA'. Shit gave me brain cancer just reading that.
Brandon Weavers yeah thats a casual idiot who never trained..me iv met a lot of mma fighters in my boxing gym who iv learned from and they tell me them selves boxing and mma are like 2 different worlds to where if any fighter from both sides master the art from both sports they would be an elite fighter
@@veterannavy304 Learn basic jui jitsu I guess. I find groundwork very exciting because I know whats happening and can see the application of technique. You peobobly dont realize some one is in trouble until a few secones before they get submitted meanwhile the rest of us spot the submission coming from 15 seconds ago. The argument "im a casual" sucks when comparing the entertainment factor. Hardcore fans always will determine how fun it is if you dont know shit you cant talk.
i had no idea joe came to dothan im starting my first mma training here in dothan at wolf pack mma in a few days im 16 i love the sport and i wanna dedicate my self to learn it and be great at it
I’m a fan of boxing for the technical aspect but as far as entertainment, It can get very boring. Barely any knockouts, both guys usually leave the ring in great condition, no personalities and the outcome is almost always predictable. Mma is so much better, more diverse skill set, more finishes and it’s unpredictable to an extent. The fighters also have better personalities.
Takeshi Edwards Boxing has never been better. Nothing is more boring than watching two guys hugging for 5 rounds. UFC had to essentially black ball the majority of non strikers. Boxing is doing great, you dont sound like a boxing fan. You sound like an MMA nut rider posing as a boxing fan to gain credability in your stupid comment.
MrSirFluffy once upon a time boxing was amazing in the 70's, 80's and 90's but being 100% honest it's just not fun to watch anymore. You don't get those Hagler Hearns type fights in boxing anymore. Most MMA fighters put it all on the line and fight like that though. That's why MMA is winning.
Boxing to MMA is not a comparison. Boxers would beat MMA fighters in a boxing match, But any other form of fight for example MMA,street fights,Underground fighting to anything like a basic bar fight the Boxer gets clapped.
@@ifaq871 I never said I could. I'm saying a UFC fighter would clap a boxer in any fight that's not a boxing fight. Boxers can't handle knees, elbows, kicks, back kicks, front kicks, face kicks, submissions, chokes,flying knees etc.
@@blackjack8556 boxers train stamina and strengthen their full body, because of the need for agility and speed. A boxer ehos been boxing could handle all those things you say, only its not conciously in their training. Boxing is a heavier sport than MMA. MMA is mostly grappling and a little bit of (sloppy,powerless in comparison to boxing) punches and kicks. And MMA fighter is like a streetfighter, just knows a bit of everything(like literally everyone else on the world) while boxers have adjusted their body movement to flow with every single punch. The difference that comes to play with this is that, a hook of a boxer is stronger than an MMAers kick. Dont forget that everyone can learn MMA with ease. But not sonmuch for boxing, its waay more technical and combat heavy. mma punches arent bad theyre regular. Boxing will fuck them up
@@ifaq871 MMA fighters are generally black belts in Muay Thai,jijutsi and various other serial arts. You're fucking delusional if you think anyone can do what MMQ fighters do.
Joe was one of the people to stoke the fire between Boxing and MMA for years. Going on TV and shouting on his soap box, how boxing was over, and all future combat stars would be MMA stars. Boxing was dead and buried. He has been proven wrong and now pretends to play neutral to avoid looking foolish. Joe is wrong a lot of the time.
Or maybe he was younger then and subsequently more ignorant. Especially when ageing with fame on your ass, you get more humble and calculated in what you say. Joe epitomises this.
JackSturmanFilms I would be inclined to believe your statement, if he was more measured and humble in his claims today. He is not, however. Everything from his claims of Ronda Rousey beating Mayweater in a boxing match, to his false statements while commentating during some UFC matches. And going as far as to discount tons of peoples opinions on his podcast, some of them specialist in their fields, because they do not share his point of view on a particular subject. Whether its Marijuana usage, to training and diet, or conspiracy theories. He is wrong, a lot and has showed little maturity from his younger years.
He has always said he's a boxing fan, he simply said the sport is dying (which is totally true if you don't realize that then you aren't paying enough attention). He's just a bigger fan of MMA, and when MMA came onto the scene, all the boxing enthusiasts gave him shit for it, so he was simply standing his ground.
Navajo 23 He actually never said boxing was going to die at all he just said mma would eventually be on par with it and become just as popular. Which it has and for some odd reason these boxing people cant stand it. Both are great sports unfortunately boxing has been a shit show with all the different promotions and other than Floyd they don't have any big superstars anymore.
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Here after that old interview of Joe on UFC vs Boxing lol.
Me too
Yeah, just watched that two day before this. “You’re just upset cos your sport is going to be wiped out!” Lol 😂
lol joe wrecked that guy
Lol me aa well
"REAR NAKED CHOKE"
I think this debate ended when they said it was more fair for Connor to box Floyd then for Floyd to step into the cage.
Yeah Floyd is undefeated 50-0 boxing why would he do a mma fight he’s goated and has more clout then Connor so what you saying goofy
michael smith I’m not even a Connor fan but wtf are you talking about? What does 50-0 in boxing and having more clout have to do with fighting mma instead of just boxing? Because they knew Floyd would get absolutely destroyed inside the cage goofy, that’s why. I mean Connor was the biggest draw in the entire UFC at the time to sooo, and that man Floyd legs would be takin out from under him within the first 2 minutes. “Floyd’s 50-0” yea in boxing, BOXING ONLY. I WISH Floyd would step into the cage. We all know what would happen. But I forgot it’s all about ‘Clout’ nowadays and I guess that’s what you’re about as well🤷🏼♂️
@@planstoesc2 That being said, if Connor was to go into a boxing ring with Floyd, he'd get demolished 10 times out of 10, no question about it.
Filip Ferenčak vice versa
@@planstoesc2 Absolutely
Boxing to MMA is like swimming to triathlon.
A triathlete is well rounded at everything but a master of nothing. A triathlete won't beat michael phelps in a swimming race, lance armstrong in a bike race or a kenyan in a long distance race.
Daniel Stevens but the triathlete would beat the master swimmer, master biker, etc in a triathlon, triathlon=fight in this analogy
Gonna steal this comparison
No, triathlon = MMA match in this analogy.
yea that's the exact analogy that's crossed my mind as well. i like watching both but am way more impressed with boxing
@hi tech Meaning that if the competed against someone in one specific field they would lose, for example Conor v Floyd
Boxing versus MMA is so childish and just stupid. I like watching both sports for what they are.
boxing is a beautiful sport. just few factors ruined it. corruption and having competitors that are such pussies that they just run around, using the rule set to avoid any action and play it safe
@@knuckle-sandwichmma681 what? running around? you know nothing about boxing kid.
@@muss2055 I know about it way more than you, I guess. take a seat kid. dont make fool out of yourself
@Abdi Abdiwahid those are boxers who will always be remembered you probably have in mind. like Tyson, Ali and Marciano
@Abdi Abdiwahid Mayweather will be remembered for his record and for being the one who ruined boxing with play it safe style and corruption. the rest of them will be forgotten by majority of the boxing world soon. hell 2 of the guys you mentioned are known just because they fought Mayweather.
I love boxing, I box myself.... but I also love MMA. Boxing is a part of MMA and getting along will only help our sports.
Facts 💯
Good wrestling and average bjj, and superior boxing and you will do more than just well in mma, they only thing i dont like about the boxing sport is the rules to many for my liking, but oh god they can throw a punch, boxing is such a benefit for mma no doubt
@Shashwat mishra Its ALWAYS been highly corrupt. Probably more so in the old days when it was harder to call out the corruption.
@Shashwat mishra shut the fuck up its way less corrupted than it was in the past, basically every fight was fixed in the 1920s and before and nobody gave a fuck
Doing a little boxing taught me a *LOT* of humility about what a trained person can do vs an untrained person.
"Why dance with a guy for 10 rounds, when you can knock him out in one." .....Rocky Marciano
Yeah that's work when your fighting lesser fighters
Betting strategy you idiot
@Chris Suarez Can end a fight pretty fast beyond just boxing.
@@axslaps No one cares about MMA here bitch go away.
Their tactics involved in boxing.
Boxing vs streetfighter end in seconds or in a single punch.
MMA vs streetfighter last longer and always escalet to geound and takes even longer. You can mix anything with boxing and you get a very effective fighter.
MMA fighters believe that's all they need.
In mma the top fighters actually fight each-other
@@TylerTong true but hasnt he had multiple bad injuries since the etkins fight?
Not really, only if you consider that all the top fighters are in the same event (UFC), which is not always the case.
This is true, but at the same time the reason for that is the UFC pretty much monopolizes the sport of MMA. They have dictatorial ability to make fights and nobody gives any importance to the Bellator, One etc belts at all (even when you have say Mighty Mouse getting knocked out in One or Chandler comes in and fights for a UFC belt in his second fight when hes been KO'd in the first round in Bellator by a FW a couple of years back) . With boxing theres multiple promotions and belts that are viewed as being at a similar level to each other so its a lot more work to get those fights made. It does happen though, Taylor/Ramirez just now being one example.
@Smarty Pants Again, Chandler came to the UFC from Bellator a few months ago and knocked out top 5 ranked at the time Hooker in the first round, he just now came very close to winning the title as he had Oliveira badly hurt. This is the same Chandler that was stopped in the first round by Patricio Pitbull not all that long ago. Mighty Mouse left the UFC as some peoples p4p no1, his loss to Cejudo was a split decision, hes just been KTFO in One FC. Eddie Alvarez was KO'd in his first fight in One FC, this was about 15 months after he beat Gaethje. And if you dont think Jan vs the winner of the Bellator LHW GP is a more legitimate LHW title fight than Jan/Glover, or that Usman vs Lima isnt a more legitimate fight than Usman vs journeyman Jorge, you're drinking the UFC kool aid.
@Smarty Pants *"And with Boxing there are NOT promotions like this. The WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO are SANCTIONING BODIES, NOT promitions. Top Rank, Matchroom, Golden Boy and so on are the promotions"*
When did I say otherwise?
*"In MMA you get to fight the BEST without a belt on the line"*
You mean like when Khabib and Ferg fought, or when Ronda and Cyborg fought, or when Brock and Fedor fought, or when GSP and Anderson fought. Oh and of course the Volk/Ortega winner will fight the Pitbull/Mckee winner right?, and the Jan/Glover winner will fight the winner of the Bellator LHW GP.....riiiiiiiiiiiight?
Alotta people on here are saying BOXING IS DIEING lol boxing ain't going anywhere it's a timeless sport
Yeah I like MMA and Boxing and don't understand the whole 'Boxing is dying' shit.
Tee Jaye facts
dying*
hi tech keep telling yourself that
@hi tech MMA is a sport.
Combat athletes deserve respect at the end of the day. Takes balls to step into the ring/cage
It’s always the fans that have never thrown a proper punch in their lives that disrespect either sport
The way I've been thinking of it; boxing is like a duel, where the fighters come in under a certain set of conditions (mma has conditions too) and they agree to a bout under those conditions. Mma is more like a gladiator match, where each fighter could be completely unique with their skill set. I love both sides, their differences make them more interesting
i vert much like this analogy and it gets the sports idea's quite well thank you
In reality boxing is a gladiator match where people die time to time...MMA is good but boxing makes people braindead....I love MMA more cause of this.
I agree 100%
I agree in everything except the skillset part. Both sports have a very unique variety of fighting styles. Many boxers will fight differently than others. Same with mma, of course mma is more wider in variety because of kicks and elbows.
Great analogy.
Maybe Joe can comment on the Kickboxing vs. Yoga debate next.
Greg Raines lmao
Excellent !
Lol
White housewives: HEAVY BREATHING
@@chad522 that is practically speeking sexist homophobic biracial phobic and transphobic
I started with loving MMA then I went on to love boxing more. I've always watched both. I'm a boxer now but still love MMA.
Joe Rogan: He’s jacked
Brendan Schuab: Proceeds to repeat he’s jacked.
Adam Smith always
Joe: He's jacked
Brendan: JAAACKED!
The funniest thing Schaub has ever said is something Theo Vonn said once
Thing is mma fighters don’t get paid enough for the damage they take to their body
Not just for the damage but just in general, it’s shitty ass pay considering how much money they can be paying them
Boxing is more dangerous than mma tho
Ricky Garcia boxers get paid wayyyyy more than mma fighters tho
@@daniel-ss1rk Boxing is more dangerous but MMA fighters are paid more on average
@@logos29 no.... not at all
mma vs boxing, mac vs pc, iphone vs android, ps4 vs xbox. people love getting competitive over justifying what they consume for some reason. appreciating both is very possible
Well said.
P in tell we get to ps4 vs xbox and android vs apple 😂😂ps4 better and apple pff
Boxing is for pussies
All this conflict is just to inspire brand loyalty... it's all about the money, wake up people and realise who the true enemy is
@@ismailmustafa5068 thats why boxing has more deaths every year right? not something to brag about but still. does mma ever even have any deaths? What's the worst injury? a fucking leg injury or broken bone? Boxers face death every time they step in the ring.
I love combat sports all them guys are warriors and whoever shits on either sports step in their ring and see if it’s a real sport.
u never see MMA fighters talking shit about boxing while boxers talk shit on MMA every fucking week but then MMA fighter just says "well buddy bring your boxing. here in MMA you can box so come and show me"
@Abdi Abdiwahid this one? me. like it matters. meaning is the same
How they are warriors? do they kill people? do they fight to protect they lives? do they go to war? they are sportsmen, athletes entertainers. Soldier are warriors.
@@knuckle-sandwichmma681 actually that's not true at all
Xperte Gamer2406 stop lying again. It is very true and you know it. The only mma fighter who called out a boxer was the triple c cuz he saw what artem did to malignaggi
This reminds me of the Xbox vs Ps4 war.
Yeah its over. Ps4 won
Yeah fuck Bill "population control" Gates
FUuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkk Xbox
@@InstiGator805 yeah lol Playstation owns Xbox
Yeah but PC is better because we get more FPS and better graphics
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face- Mike Tyson
bryan t how is this relevant to the video at all
Lennox Lewis followed through though
He’s talking about people who have never trained
Spinal
Everyone has a plan until they get munched in the ear - Mike Tyson
I love boxing for the purity, I love MMA for the adaptive combat. I hate that a lot of boxing now a days is all about outboxing but hey it’s their era. I hate that so many MMA matches end up on the ground but hey that’s the way to win. Either way I love both for different reasons and watch both.
You should watch Glory kickboxing. Best of both worlds
Boxing has been about outboxing for 50 years
@@sheadoherty7434 Well yeah, it's the most effective and safest style so your fighter doesn't get injured, however there have been great fighters that showed it wasn't the only way. For example Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson, and Sonny Liston. Outboxing is just not as exciting imo.
@@spartan1010101 mike tyson was a short heavyweight, so being an inside fighter made sense. It's not just about safety but how you're put together.
Tyson Fury for example would be a terrible inside fighter. Ruiz, being 6'2 is an excellent inside fighter.
@KilleRaVeN51 you've clearly never trained in BJJ if you don't like ground game
I hate it when joe tells jamie to pull somthing up and they spend ages reacting to it and we never see it. Not necessarily this time but it's happened a lot before
YES BOXING & MMA are BOTH under the fighting umbrella... People are goofy!!! I am taking boxing classes now BUT I LOVE MMA... WE ARE ONE community & Humanity too
Love Silvia Sweidan ^ this, so much this
I'm pretty sure you cede the moral high ground about collective brotherhood when you train in a discipline designed to rattle a man's brain around his skull.
lol boxing fans are being Insecure. MMA Is the fastest growing sport In the world.
Dorian Wayne thanks for a retarded comment that didn’t address any point on this thread. I love me some MMA but I’m young, my friends are young, and the millions of people who pay millions of dollars to see a good boxing match aren’t going anywhere. Boxing isn’t dying any time soon.
But I do hope MMA gets more world wide recognition
@Lancer1131 Triple post lmao but yes I agree Lance, boxing is my favorite art and even I know it's got its limits
Brendan “Conor tee’d off on you, though” Schaub
Johnny 5 to be fair to you both it does sound like he said "he tee'd off on you" but it could be what he said aswell look into it
Honestly, I agree with Joe on bare knuckle. Now that we are studying the long term effects, gloves are softer, but they rock the brain still with each strike. With bare knuckle, you're still rocking the brain, but it hurts a lot more so it's harder to ignore major damage being done in a fight, and your body encourages you to stop more (resulting in more pain, but less brain damage).
Along with that, there are also less strikes because punching someone in their skull hurts your knuckles, so you have to be more cerebral with your strikes.
I agree. Luke Rockhold quit against Mike Perry when his teeth got broken. People don’t quit as quick with big gloves because the shots hurt less.
Knuckles do increase the chance of a body injury though, on both fighters behalf. More likely to fuck your hand up, more likely to blind or welt the opponent too. It’s a tricky thing because how the fuck do you avoid injury in combat sports lmfao.
Brain damage is ultimately worse than the things I listed (blindness is debatable lol) so it’s still right
like how rugby guys have less concussions than football
That’s everywhere. I was in the Marines, I’d come across other Marines who would see Army or Air Force people and they’d talk shit about em, like we’re not all on the same team. it’s lame as hell, but it’s everywhere.
Healthy competition
That’s so lame bro
That stuff is all in jest though
I'm not military so correct if I'm wrong but isn't that just lad banter?
Ya, I guess you could say it’s in jest or it’s lad banter, or even healthy competition (I guess)... wasn’t my thing. Kinda felt like high school, jocks vs nerds and shit
They are both wonderful spectacles that can be considered art when preformed at a high level. Just as any sports.
Thankyou, Jesus fucking Christ someone who gets it!
I disagree. The best boxers in the world are far better boxers than the best MMA fighters are at at MMA fighting. It’s a hell of a lot harder to win a belt in the sweet science than MMA
@@josephcassidy1854
Why do you say that? I don't agree. MMA fighters are just as legit as boxers. Daniel Cormier is a high-level olympic wrestler and UFC champ. He's a real athlete. In his third MMA fight he beat the shit out of WBA boxing champ Lucas Browne. From what I can tell MMA fighters are just as good as boxers.
The only thing I don’t like about boxing that it’s not practical. Bobbing and weaving is a Muay Thai’s person dream. Just through a knee right up and knock him out.
Kek Your Privilege not true. Connor McGregor is a painfully average athlete who walked through a division with ease. Boxers fight for 36 minutes at a far higher pace and there is millions more boxers than MMA fighters. Trying to compare a complete donkey in Lucas Browne who won a 3rd level title against another donkey. Cormier is the goat of MMA, such a stupid analysis. For example, Shawn porter is far better at his craft than Aldo. It’s a lot easier to become an MMA fighter because the majority are not professional athletes like boxing.
I'm glad the animosity between the two sports has died down as well, I just wish some other combat sports will end up getting the attention they deserve, such as Kickboxing, Taekwondo, and submission grappling (particularly Catch Wrestling, and Sambo / JJJ, too much BJJ).
IndigoXYZ18 grappling sports will never get as big to appreciate a grappling sport you have to have actually done it yourself any casual fan can see someone getting punched in the face and find entertainment in it
IndigoXYZ18
Kickboxing could get big tho, it's more entertaining than both Boxing and MMA imo...just needs more attention
Robert Byrne I think Edgy Brah's idea of allowing palm strikes while on the ground will do a lot to not only make BJJ more watchable for the average fan, but also more practical and give the grapplers the base skills to transition into MMA.
That said I think more agressive submission grappling arts could revive public intrest in watching fighters go to the ground, like how people like watching Khabib (that's not to say that the defencive submissions of BJJ can't be entertaining, but it's understanding why the aberage fan yawns). Wrestling is a watered down version of Catch Wresling, which has all of the takedowns of Catch but none of the submissions. Much like how Judo is a watered down version of Japanese Jiu Jitsu, with all the throws and only a small handfull of legal subs.
The bastardization of these artst started when they banned subs in the Olympics for Wrestling, and when most of the subs were taken out of JJJ for competition, something similar is happening to BJJ where it is often being trained for competition rather than for an actual fight. Sambo on the other hand does it right, the art is a hybrid of Greco-Roman wrestling with only a handfull of actual wrestling subs, but rather using Japanese Jiu Jitsu for their submission base. Not to mention they allow striking from all different kinds of arts, usually Kyokushin Karate and Boxing but sometime Muay Thai as well.
Capitalism Works Get Over It Personally I prefer to see grappling mixed in with striking. However I love Kickboxing and seeing striking taken to that level of skill. It's for the same reason why I love all of the limited combat sports, you get to see all the skill concentrated in one area. It's why I think it's such a shame Taekwondo never took off, it's like the skill level of Boxing translated into kicking rather than punching.
IndigoXYZ18 all I know is mma fighters get fucked up in boxing and many boxers have switched over to mma and had extremely successful careers
Im a boxer, I love boxing, I love mma. I dont watch mma as much as I watch boxing, but I highly respect mma. Its an amazing sport, one of the best. Both are sweet sciences, both have a lotta mind power involved. The boxing vs mma debate or any other combat sport for that matter (except aikido fuck aikido) is childish, different sports. Boxer loses an mma fight and Mma fighter loses a boxing fight. Seperate sports.
True, and since MMA is a more complete sport then we can tell MMA fighters are better fighters.
And at the end of the day, in a street fight 100% of boxers will always lose to a martial artist.
@@Wowvod a boxer isn't losing to anyone accept a wrestler/MMA practitioner.
@@Wowvod I don't think you've been in a street fight?
@@heroe1486 Not necessarily
Schaub: "Na brother, its Denver"
Joe:" Look that up, Jamie."
Jamie *"Its in Augusta Georgia"*
Schaub once again outdid himself 😳😳😳😅
Schaub: It was in Denver. It was in Denver. It was in Denver.
Jamie: It was in Georgia.
Schaub: Boom!
Joe Rogan once said MMA was swallowing boxing alive. . 😂😂😂
Anthony Starkey He had to eat those words lol
He didn't mean it in the sense that mma is better. He meant that in terms of popularity and growth.
Trashcan and Bubba •• That’s What we’re talking about silly goose
@@ritzkola2302 ah my bad lol. Then does that mean boxing is making a comback popularity wise? I don't really keep up with entertainment.
Trashcan and Bubba •• I know last year PBC Numbers were better in America than Ufc Numbers were. PBC being just a single company in Boxing, And the UFC representing a single company in MMA. Many would say the ufc is the most popular company in mma. Remember though, The numbers were regarding American viewership. Boxing never dropped beneath MMA in terms of viewership, it was more so that MMA had two really big stars simultaneously in Connor & Rousey. They were mma’s first huge mega stars. So a few years back mma had a lot of momentum BUT it was primarily just the UFC. Unlike in Boxing, promoters in mma don’t work together. So once it died down with both stars taking losses- the world of mma stopped making noise. If MMA companies would work together, they’d be able to give Boxing a run. But Boxing was never in any danger of being surpassed in popularity. It’s a cemented global sport. A huge legacy and a lot of history involved. I’ll put it this way- during those same few years MMA witnessed it’s two mega stars like never seen before- Floyd Mayweather made more money than any other athlete in ANY sport- with only about $10 million of it coming from endorsements. While his peers made a combined 100s of millions in endorsements. Floyd generated over a billion dollars purely through Boxing alone- no endorsements. Now that Boxing is witnessing a new batch of future super stars with People like Deontay Wilder/Canelo Alvarez/Gervonta Davis/Anthony Joshua/etc It’s probably gonna be a stretch to say MMA will surpass it any time soon. Hopefully mma promoters will work together to grow the sport.
Never understood why people choose one or the other. I like both almost just as much
I like hearing Rogan say something and then hear Brandon say it two seconds later.
My last 2 years as an amateur boxer, my coach always welcomed jiu jitsu and mma practitioners to the gym. He always wanted us to be safe in case we got in a scuffle out of competition and would know how to move around on the ground as well. Those were fun and challenging times.👌🏼 It baffled my mind on how much skill there was involved to grappling/jiu jitsu(much respect). Boxing is one spectrum, but It’s a whole new chess game in the grappling world.
I'm a boxer and I've done mma before and yeah it's crazy man I love mma and boxing both sports are so tactical and skilled I love it I just hate when non Fighters try compare the 2 in a street Fight when they haven't fought before u don't see mma Fighters tryna tease Boxers about that shit it's all respect
@@Pablo-lv3ub its legit always fans that never train that be like HURRP DURRRP MANNN BOXINGG NOT REAAAHUL FIGHT GET REKT IN THE CAGEEEE lmao. meanwhile people in gyms respect each art lmao
@@liltonydeAngelo exactly like they think mma Fighters and Boxers train to fight each other in the middle of a road like they train to be the best at what they do like basketballers and football players don't train to play hockey with each other its stupid exactly what you said get in the ring or the cage then state your opinion don't just sit on your back at home talking shi when you never trained before always the fat lazy weak mfs
Absolutely love it when a fighter bigs himself up in his style expecting to walk all over their opponent only to be proven to be out of their depth. Reminds me of training in kick boxing in the 80's, first girl to train at the club, long reach. I stepped into a fast straight cross and come away with a broken nose. Lesson learned from that moment on 😁😁😁
Joe Rogan: I’m a big proponent of bare knuckle
Jason Knight: *hold my teeth*
Boxing hardly ever gives you the fights you want to see that's why boxing isn't as entertaining at mma
The whole thing is stupid. People can like both boxing and MMA no problem, the only people that start shit are the ones who cant appreciate and understand how hard both sports are.
When you watch UFC events and the fight is on the ground most of the crowd do not want to watch that, they boo and whistle. They want the fight stood up and want to see fists being thrown. Boxing in MMA is very much involved and usually the fighter with the better boxing wins.
That last part isn’t true but everything else is Ben askren best Robbie lawyer without a single punch
@@amazingsportsmixes126 "beat"
I thought it is usually the fighter with the better grappling who wins, tbh.
khabib is a mediocre strikef compared to a lot of guys in his weightclass but the reason he wins is bc of his insand grappli ng.
Thats why champions usually have a base of wrestling huh? Mma vs boxing is like strong vs weak boxing alone is not enough against a trained fighter.
" I am boxing " - Kenny Florian 2017
We'll yeah he is boxing but that doesn't mean he has the same skill as a boxer. Everyone can learn techniques but not everyone can turn it to a skill.
The good brothers over at Fight Science UK did a couple of vids about this sort of thing
I love both sports. But i like MMA more
Because you're savage and cavemen.
Idk seems kinda gay to me
@@shaggyrogers7986 True. As a Khabib fan, I embrace this aspect (referencing all of those mongoloid memes 😂)
I'm a Savage caveman that can whoop some ass.
I like boxing but I stopped liking boxing because of the corruption in boxing.
boxing has always been corrupt
Give it a few years MMA will be the same
I Like mma more then boxing I did boxing for 8 months and it’s boring to me because all you do it’s punching and right now I’m training Muay Thai and I love it it more fighting or maybe because I love mma more because I grew up watching vhs tapes of martial arts and I did taekwondo jujitsu and judo at the age 11.
Chris SE same here man i used to be a boxer but i stop cause it got boring to me to. i went to mma cause i wanted to learn how to do leg kicks, submissions and other techniques
The MilkMan so I'm not the only one nice.
Ive always appreciated boxing a little bit more than MMA but I enjoy both.
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Pink Fegg Rip joji
Pink guy...what is this bullshit?Come back, this shit takes alot of chromosomes.
You were the first? Omg Omg!!!!
@@user-xy8kq3df1k are you pink guy?
I don’t understand why people hate boxing or MMA they are both really passionate sports.
I'm a Boxing guy, but MMA is ACTUAL fighting. Boxing is just a form of fighting. Either way, both are awesome!
Exactly
Either both of them are actual fighting or neither of them are. They're both sports with rounds, weight classes and tons of rules. How many street fights look anything like an MMA fight?
ministryOFmuff yh but how many street fights consist of just using their fists? None someone kicks or atleast goes to the ground, MMA destroys in every category and can adapt to all scenarios. Boxing v MMA in a fight with just normal street fight rules, MMA destroys thats a fact boxing would only win if it was boxing rules, period
@@brucewhitemusic9733 You are dreaming.!! A street fighter is not getting a trained boxer on the ground!! Boxer's are masters of distance and punch faster, more accurately and harder than an MMA guy. They also have superior footwork. What do you think will happen if you shoot/charge a boxer?? Do you think they will go limp and just fall on the ground?? No...
if/when you grab them they will be raining blows down on your head like you cant imagine and if one catches you right (and it will) you will go to sleep. Theoretically a grown man (200 lbs) can grab, choke, strangle or break the neck of a raccoon (30 lbs)...go try and do it and see how easy it is.
@chauncey phillips Thanks for your perspective. I agree that most street fights end up on the ground but thats just a result of the combatants severe lack of striking skill an crappy stamina. If an MMA guy manages to get the Boxer on the ground without getting his bell rung, then the MMA guy has the advantage once it goes to the ground but if on the way in the boxer catches him, he's up sh**s creek without a paddle. As for Muay Thai, those guys hands are absolute garbage compared to a boxer. If the boxer realizes he is in with a MT guy which is obvious by their guard position he may get leg checked but will quickly close the distance and put the MT guy to sleep. I've seen it several times in real life and have personally been in a sitch like that as well. Then again I have a martial arts background so kicks dont throw me off at all.
Boxing is the art of punching, MMA is the sport of fighting. Both are great but they are two completely different things
Every time I turn on an mma match it's just 2 guys in the missionary position wearing spandex panties trying to choke each other. It's basically gay s&m porn.
Joe "Insert Joke" Rogan
Joe will fuck you up Rogan
boxing is bigger than ever, Floyd's reign created so many new and young superstars
ricardo barbosa it ain’t even close to the level of fame it had in the 70s, 80s and 90s. MMA has completely taken the fighting game over
@@codybischoff1010 lmao u wish, Floyd made a billion off of boxing and people like u paid money to watch him lose, and no MMA UFC fight has ever been bigger than a big boxing fight, they don't even make nowhere near the money boxers make, and like i said boxing is bigger than ever with all the new stars that DID come from that the last decade of watching FLOYD
ricardo barbosa no one said Floyd Mayweather doesn’t make money, the reality is boxing USED to be VERY BIG. But now, it’s crystal clear that mma has surpassed it. You can bring up number and ppv, mma has surpassed boxing in the last 5-10 years especially.
2020
Boxing- lomachenko, canelo, Golovkin, Ryan García, Teófimo López, tank davis, pacquiao, Joshua, tyson fury, Andy Ruiz, Santacruz, Mikey Garcia and the list goes on and on!
UFC- mcgregror and khabib!
Both retired!
when i make my MMA debut i will be overdosed on kale shakes - JOE ROGAN
Boxing has a classy attribute to it.
So does MMA, especially when you look at its history and development.
Super classy as long as by classy you mean rich people exploiting the uneducated for money and entertainment.
@Jose Aquino Only boxing fans respect boxing.
Yes, punching peoples heads off is real classy… In an amateur wrestling match, you can easily win without doing a whole lot of damage to your opponent.
I play rugby and I heard some of this between football and rugby, completely different sports and both are very unique Sharing a couple of components, but it’s ok to enjoy both
Boxing is a marathon, and the pain is from blunt force trauma . Mma is like the 400m high intensity but it ends quicker. It takes more cardio and heart to box but it takes more guts and knowledge about fighting styles to get in the cage .
I myself as a boxer for 21 years prefer Boxing, fight like your Daddy taught ya. Man to man, hand to hand. Shake hands after. That's what Boxing teaches you, respect, nobility and Honor.
Hell yea! Boxing all day
Fighting like a man doesn’t mean shit. A fight is a fight. And mma shows you respect through multiple forms of combat. How can limiting what you can do to someone make it man to man?
@@mikegold3130 there's no honour in punching a fallen opponents head in as they lay unconscious on the floor. Sorry there just isn't.
@@mikegold3130 in a real fight, someones could pull out a gun or a knife because they dont want to *"limit what you can do to someone"*
That's a great message, if people actually fought fair in real life. This isn't an action film.
the issue is mma's audience in the us is closer to the wwf than boxing, these mma guys have a huge chip on their shoulder with regards to boxing. constantly trying to downplay what is objectively a more dangerous sport, with a deeper talent pool and greater history
History isn’t everything though, and downplaying something for being more dangerous isn’t a bad thing either. The 10 count is unnecessary and it doesn’t work in the street, therefore boxing isn’t really real fighting is it. It’s a decent little sport but nobody fights it’s boring. The TH-camrs have literally saved your sport from death.
Uhhh... Does anyone have video tutorials of roundhouse kicks from sitting position? I'd like to know how that works.
Respect both. We gotta promote both combat sports
There’s just something about two guys standing fighting with strictly fist for 12 rounds that is intriguing. MMA is much more brutal but it usually ends quickly & grapplers which tend to be the most dominant aren’t intriguing to the casual fan. Love both, started boxing at 7 & Started expanding to other martial arts at 11. Boxings killing itself, MMA isn’t. Boxers aim for money so they fight Mediocre or Decent fighters to build their record rather than making the great fights happen.
true, boxing at its best is superior to mma, that wrestling shit is awful, but i do feel if the talent level went up in mma you could get some really insane martial arts fights, the rules are too wrestling friendly
@@SI-cd7xs wrestling is not awful
@@applejuice9468He meant it’s boring and not appealing.
@@applejuice9468 it is especially since the ufc has that dumb rule no knees on the ground when they legalize that half of them nut huggers get knocked out cold
it always annoyed me too because fighting is fighting - sure there's nothing wrong with having a preference but combat sport whether it be, boxing, kick boxing, mma, etc is great to watch when its a great fight. I think a lot of the animosity was born of ignorance. The early MMA fights were so ground fight centric and its hard to appreciate what's going on at ground level when you don't get the subtleties of the moves. Stand up fighting of any kind is pretty basic so its easy to follow, easy to appreciate. I never disliked MMA per se but now that I know a little more about grappling thanks to the great commentary and videos on youtube explaining stuff, I can actually enjoy the entire range of an MMA contest.I suppose it doesn't hurt that stand up fighting became a big part of MMA and when they changed the rules to stand the guys up from "stalemate" grappling situation - I know the purists don't like it but it makes for better entertainment and the sport is way past being about proving who has the better martial art
That kick your talking about with the "Butt shuffle roundhouse" is a capoeira style low to mid/high kick with devastating power.
I'm a boxer but I also respect MMA fighters they have a hard too in the whole different way
I love kickboxing/muaythai, I also love Boxing, i also love MMA.
comparing boxing to mma is like comparing football players against basket ball players complete different sports like wrestling and sumo wrestling
Uh no. I see people on ESPN or sports networks say this and it's false. You know why. Because anything you can do in a boxing ring, you can do in MMA to try and win the fight. Boxing is included. Bb vs football analogy is just plain stupid.
this is how it should be, watching the clips along with Joe, Jamie and guest! 50% opacity for copyright and were all happy!
It’s like choosing which child you love most. Easy but impossible. Also entirely unnecessary.
So I recently found out Shaub was a fighter. He talks tougher than he fights.
Lou Dibella has entered the chat 😂
I got a 2 hour long ad wtf
I don’t get the point why people hate on different martial arts, just let people like what they like, weather it’s a striking sport, a grappling sport. Or MMA
I think boxing is harder to get to the top in but mma is for sure more entertaining (to me)
mike gold boxing made a big comeback UFC on the decline.
The Red Baron I mean boxing is only entertaining because of the 3 top heavyweights which was shaken when AJ lost. Ufc isn’t going anywhere.
mike gold in boxing they fight bums it’s not hard to get to the top the top guys all have padded records
Ol Ol to keep it simple I mean that you can lose more fights in the ufc and still be a star but if you’re an undefeated boxer and you lose a couple fights people forget about you more easily. Plus there’s so many different titles in boxing you kinda gotta win a shit ton of belts before you get recognized by the casuals
mike gold worst take ive heard all day
Ufc has a new champion every month lol
Bc the best fight the best. In MMA ( a real fight) there are many ways to lose. In the street one head kick and the boxer dies LOL
Arjen Robbed we all saw what happen last time the best "connor" stepped into a boxing ring 😂🤣
anybody can street fight kick choke whatever u wanna call it.but only real men can box
@@pammunoz546 if anybody can street fight/choke then why did james toney get dominated in mma
kim jong fun Because he was an old ass man. Holly Holms left Boxing and dominated women’s ufc. Mma is easier.
@@ritzkola2302 lol randy couture was even older than toney and holly holm knocked out out ronda then lost to her next fight and i believe 4 out of her last 5 are loses so i dont know what that has to do with anything
The thing is the best mma fights are either boxing or kickboxing fights where they just stand and brawl
Honestly it all depends what your into.. I love both sports. Boxing isn't just about punching, its an art form of punching that you have to master. UFC is just crazy, adrenaline high, blood flowing, anythingn can go, its entertainming because its the closest thing to a "real street fight" you can get.
Yet people tend to want to fight with there hands in a street fight some grabbing but nothing to crazy so idk you make not much sense
you called MMA "UFC" lol casual
As someone that boxed, nothing spectacular, and someone that was trained in modern army combatives, I fell in love with boxing first then as I trained in combatives I fell in love with jujitsu. I love mma and boxing. MMA, well, it's in the name, mixed martial arts, boxing, wrestling, jujitsu, kickboxing, karate whatever, they are all sums of the whole. To be successful in MMA these days, you have to be good at multiple disciplines not just one, so I dont understand the arguement that ones better than the other. I think the McGregor/Mayweather fight illustrated that a man that spent his life training as a boxer is a better boxer than an MMA guy. A guy that's been in MMA his whole life would be better in MMA than a guy that only trained in boxing.
No, boxing is not with mma.
@Flyguy182 I'm not sure what you mean, but as someone that has done both boxing and jujitsu, and as a student and observer of the sport, boxing is a huge part of mma.
i get the argument for mma the fact its a no holds bar fight. But I think there is something more noble at a boxing match, when a person hits a floor in boxing you cant hit them. you can't hit people when their defenseless for starters. in mma, you can knock a guy out while their defenseless on the floor.I find that slightly cowardly in a way.
Ur the guy in horror movies who thinks the monster’s dead after one hit or blow, only to turn around and get eaten or chased because you didn’t follow up
who’s here after watching that old interview with Brian Kenny
I think personally it would add a tactical layer to how people fight if we removed the gloves in MMA. However I totally get why we need them though.
"Boxing is dying" - he said 10 years ago. 10 years later Canelo signs a deal with DAZN for $350Million and DAZN invest over $1.3BILLION in boxing.
MMA fanboys are on suicide watch.
Dames Jay oh really? Lmao
And Zuffa wants in on the Boxing game.
Sounds like a waste of money. GGG best Camelo they’re just protecting there only star they have left
@@mikegold3130 - Go look at how many boxers are on the FORBES highest paid athletes list for 2019. Then try to find the MMA fighters on that list - Good Luck! LOL!
garichar who the fuck reads that bull shit 😂 what are we in 2005? No one gives a fuck. The only way guys are being noticed is online social media. Conor has gathered more attention than any one out there and he isn’t even fighting. Look how many followers canelo has compared to mcgregor it’s hilarious.
A boxer on dmt would beat a mma guy
Coked out mma fighter would run over a boxer on dmt 🥊
@@SpiffsMalone Connor McGregor is the reason why your argument is flawed
@@cryptohello7666 only under boxing rules. Let's be real.
Ewic Cwapton Kick boxer > wrestler
I doubt you've done dmt if you think a boxer would be better on it
They’re completely different. And no mixed martial artist could switch and be a major title belt holder at any weight. And no boxer today could be a title holder in any mma promotion. They should be respected as two different aspects of fighting
This video shows just how much MMA has evolved. I watch fights on as many as 5 screens when everything comes on in one day. It's harder to submit fighters including boxers and strikers these days. likewise, Grappler KO'd opponents with punches and kicks.
No it shows how much its spiraled.
It's boxing purists disrespecting other martial arts, because of a massive inferiority complex, mostly. Can't blame them tho.
really? go to mma youtubes and see them constantly bringing up boxing
There's also MMA fans constantly saying this or that is the end of boxing like the bad judge in canello Vs GGG is the end of boxing both sides are just as bad as the other but it's also the minority of Both sides the majority respect both
Why would boxing fans have an inferiority complex towards mma?
Boxing is an ancient sport, it's in the Olympics, makes way more money than mma and is overall more popular around the world.
Yes, obviously in a fight with mma rules an mma fighter would win, no shit, but that's not the point: it's not street fight defense, it's combat sports, with rules and referees. So the 'Bro, an mma guy would f you up on the streets' argument carries no weight.
I train mma and boxing, and both have their challenges. Staying in a ring and getting punched in the face is just as hard as getting choked or ambared, and people willing to endure any of those things deserve respect
Bitch stop lying, its MMA fans trying to shit all over boxing
Rafa aka MrStealYoGirl There’s idiotic fans from both sides that disrespect the other sport. You probably join in with the mma couch fans that attempt to disrespect boxing that’s why you don’t notice it going the other way
Like both boxing and MMA?
No! JUST BLEED! LET ME BANG BRO! #Elbows
Which podcast was this?
EriksR mma hour recent one
JREMMA
Joe: "But my main point about the boxing vs MMA debate is that you don't have what it takes to be a professional fighter"
I don’t know why kickboxing isn’t as mainstream as regular boxing
I did boxing and karate first and I was totally out striking mma ppl but I got taken down easy so I had to learn take down defense and submission defence and wrestling now I'm not to bad 😂 Honestly in street fights I've been in striking wins the day though dont want to ever be on the ground
Ah ur gangster?
Nobody asked dumbass
@Just Nea stay out of it faggot
You dont want any of this fire
@@everybigpotato2921 😂
@@everybigpotato2921 no asked for your opinion either dumb ass 😂
ITS DENVER !!!
KENDALL_KNOWS_BEST! Lmao "it's Augusta, Georgia"
I saw the first Ali vs frazier fight in 1971. 15 rounds of drama. Nothing like it. 6 months of arguing before the fight. Tommy Hearns vs Marvin hagler. Best 3 rounds I ever saw. The ufc is great too. Boxing at the top levels draws well, but the ufc provides more shows.
I'm more of a boxer fan but I must say both sides need to learn about each other more mma is great like ju jitsu that shit is serious like the science behind it's just like boxing when it comes to knowledge of the skill
Thankyou for being so reasonable. I saw one dude saying that and I quote 'Any spastic can get in the cage in MMA'. Shit gave me brain cancer just reading that.
Brandon Weavers yeah thats a casual idiot who never trained..me iv met a lot of mma fighters in my boxing gym who iv learned from and they tell me them selves boxing and mma are like 2 different worlds to where if any fighter from both sides master the art from both sports they would be an elite fighter
MMA is just more interesting to me
How ? They holding each other most of the fight
Not all mma fighter’s are grapplers. And there’s a lot of hugging in boxing too.
@@veterannavy304 Clearly u don’t watch any MMA if that’s what you think
@@veterannavy304 Learn basic jui jitsu I guess. I find groundwork very exciting because I know whats happening and can see the application of technique. You peobobly dont realize some one is in trouble until a few secones before they get submitted meanwhile the rest of us spot the submission coming from 15 seconds ago. The argument "im a casual" sucks when comparing the entertainment factor. Hardcore fans always will determine how fun it is if you dont know shit you cant talk.
Boxing is the real deal
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Both great sports but the argument is inevitable. Just like football vs futbol, two completely different sports.
@Jose Aquino no it’s the Spanish spelling of the word and football is the English version
i had no idea joe came to dothan im starting my first mma training here in dothan at wolf pack mma in a few days im 16 i love the sport and i wanna dedicate my self to learn it and be great at it
I’m a fan of boxing for the technical aspect but as far as entertainment, It can get very boring. Barely any knockouts, both guys usually leave the ring in great condition, no personalities and the outcome is almost always predictable. Mma is so much better, more diverse skill set, more finishes and it’s unpredictable to an extent. The fighters also have better personalities.
Based Trill Boxing is dying out smh):
Takeshi Edwards BOXING WILL NDVER DIE ITS BEEN HERE SINCE THE LATE 1800S AND IT WILL CONTINUE
Takeshi Edwards Boxing has never been better. Nothing is more boring than watching two guys hugging for 5 rounds. UFC had to essentially black ball the majority of non strikers. Boxing is doing great, you dont sound like a boxing fan. You sound like an MMA nut rider posing as a boxing fan to gain credability in your stupid comment.
MrSirFluffy once upon a time boxing was amazing in the 70's, 80's and 90's but being 100% honest it's just not fun to watch anymore. You don't get those Hagler Hearns type fights in boxing anymore. Most MMA fighters put it all on the line and fight like that though. That's why MMA is winning.
Don King Exactly
Boxing to MMA is not a comparison. Boxers would beat MMA fighters in a boxing match, But any other form of fight for example MMA,street fights,Underground fighting to anything like a basic bar fight the Boxer gets clapped.
Yea I mean Mike is 60 years old. And your little bitch ass still wouldnt be able to clap him you fucking pussy.
Check the current Forbes highest paid athletes list to find out who's really getting clapped.
@@ifaq871 I never said I could. I'm saying a UFC fighter would clap a boxer in any fight that's not a boxing fight. Boxers can't handle knees, elbows, kicks, back kicks, front kicks, face kicks, submissions, chokes,flying knees etc.
@@blackjack8556 boxers train stamina and strengthen their full body, because of the need for agility and speed. A boxer ehos been boxing could handle all those things you say, only its not conciously in their training. Boxing is a heavier sport than MMA. MMA is mostly grappling and a little bit of (sloppy,powerless in comparison to boxing) punches and kicks. And MMA fighter is like a streetfighter, just knows a bit of everything(like literally everyone else on the world) while boxers have adjusted their body movement to flow with every single punch. The difference that comes to play with this is that, a hook of a boxer is stronger than an MMAers kick. Dont forget that everyone can learn MMA with ease. But not sonmuch for boxing, its waay more technical and combat heavy. mma punches arent bad theyre regular. Boxing will fuck them up
@@ifaq871 MMA fighters are generally black belts in Muay Thai,jijutsi and various other serial arts. You're fucking delusional if you think anyone can do what MMQ fighters do.
Joe “please bring bare knuckles back” rogan 🤣
“the sweet science” the sweet science of knowing someone is going to throw a punch and being able to slip/dodge it.
You don’t know shit about boxing
Seems more like math cause ur dealing with angles like geometry. Also is dodging kicks and other strikes not a science?
Not a popular opinion, but I think MMA is definitely more exciting to watch.
I think boxing is more exciting, but we can agree that we have different opinions, and either opinion is ok.
Joe was one of the people to stoke the fire between Boxing and MMA for years. Going on TV and shouting on his soap box, how boxing was over, and all future combat stars would be MMA stars. Boxing was dead and buried. He has been proven wrong and now pretends to play neutral to avoid looking foolish. Joe is wrong a lot of the time.
Or maybe he was younger then and subsequently more ignorant. Especially when ageing with fame on your ass, you get more humble and calculated in what you say. Joe epitomises this.
JackSturmanFilms I would be inclined to believe your statement, if he was more measured and humble in his claims today. He is not, however. Everything from his claims of Ronda Rousey beating Mayweater in a boxing match, to his false statements while commentating during some UFC matches. And going as far as to discount tons of peoples opinions on his podcast, some of them specialist in their fields, because they do not share his point of view on a particular subject. Whether its Marijuana usage, to training and diet, or conspiracy theories. He is wrong, a lot and has showed little maturity from his younger years.
Richter Aurelian Butthurt losers? Who will ever take you or your opinion seriously with a vernacular such as yours. Facts.
He has always said he's a boxing fan, he simply said the sport is dying (which is totally true if you don't realize that then you aren't paying enough attention). He's just a bigger fan of MMA, and when MMA came onto the scene, all the boxing enthusiasts gave him shit for it, so he was simply standing his ground.
Navajo 23 He actually never said boxing was going to die at all he just said mma would eventually be on par with it and become just as popular. Which it has and for some odd reason these boxing people cant stand it. Both are great sports unfortunately boxing has been a shit show with all the different promotions and other than Floyd they don't have any big superstars anymore.
Here after joes old school interview
They're both good ass sports that aren't able to be perfect due to weight cutting and state regulations it just depends what like or in the mood for