Just an FYI, the “Waiting” is not Penelope but his Mother during the underworld saga. Fun fact about his mom, before the storm bag was opened, she could see Odysseus’ ships in the distance and watched the storm send them away. She figured her son had died from the storm and “walked into the water” to be with her son. Also, he calls out for Athena as she is the only friend he has left who isn’t dead.
Calypso unknowingly triggered Odysseus ptsd with all her words: - "Ody", get away from the ledge (Eurylochus: Ody, we're never gonna get to make it home) - "I'll stay inside your heart" (Ody's mom in the underworld: I'll stay in your heart) - Stay in my "open arms" (Quite obvious our dear Polites 😢)
@Sylviathemoth Fun theory but that's not confirmed. Epic is making Calypso a much more sympathetic character, so it's important to leave prior knowledge at the door with this musical
@Sylviathemoth I said that because Ody said " All I hear is screams" before Calypso said anything to him. He was actively in a ptsd episode and Calypso made it worse while trying to misguidedly comfort him and talk him off the ledge and then we get insight into what those screams are that Odysseus is hearing .
@@breannacarlisle5441so supposedly, should this theory be true, Calypso thought that parroting those Odysseus loved would bring him comfort. But instead, the loved ones in question are the ones he was mourning, and mentioning their lines only rubbed salt in the wound At least she didn't start calling him Captain over and over
I think a lot of people miss the point that the game was "Convince them OR me" -- The task was supposed to be impossible so that Athena would be forced to beg Zeus to save Ody. He wanted it to be on his terms. By convincing the others, she completed the impossible task and Zeus doesn't get to be the big hero man. That's why he "feels shame".
Oooh also Athena's last line to convince Hera was "Never once has he cheated on his wife" in direct reference to Zeus' umm... flings, which probably doesn't sit terribly well with him
"First of all, there's no love here. Second of all, it's not paradise." PREACH. I've been loving your reactions! And don't worry about pausing; that's what reaction videos are for! ❤
A little fun fact, just as Hephaestus sings on Scylla’s melody cause he talk about treachery, Athena answers Apollo with ‘different beasts’s melody since they were talking about the sirens being slaughter
Thr initial reason Aphrodite doesn’t want Odysseus to be free is because she holds a HIGH standard for the relationship between a son and their mother (one of Aphrodite's most devoted followers was a son of hers and he had a very close bond with her). Since Odysseus never made it home before hia mother died, she holds contempt for him purely out of spite.
Add on top of that that Aphrodite was on Troy's side during the war (and arguably is the direct cause of the war itself), so she already wasn't particularly fond of Odysseus.
I also see the Gods as being kind unable to relate to deep human emotions. 7 years is hell for Ody, but probably a walk in the park for Calypso. Also how Athena had a hard time understanding why Ody was upset about his friend dying
"Zeus' anger at Athena's victory in their game likely stemmed from her using a personal insult to win. She brought up his infidelity to Hera as a means to "make him feel shame," a tactic that undoubtedly provoked his ire. Zeus condemned Athena for daring to question his judgment in "you dare to defy me?", arguing that her insistence on Odysseus's immediate return was a blatant challenge to his divine authority.
The "is she dead?" I've kinda interpreted as Ares going "oh fuck, if dad smote her for winning, what's he gonna do to ME for helping her win??" since he's the least favorite child
@@kittycatzuka That thing Ares said was probably more for worry about his SISTER, since Athena and Ares are siblings, two sides of the same coin, both gods/goddesses of war (Ares being more blunt strength and Athena more for strategy), they still do love eachother, so Ares was probably being GENUINE with that. :(
Calypso is probably the most interesting character in EPIC to me because unlike the other villains, she is doing any of this out of malice. She wants Ody to be happy, she just physically cannot fathom why he wouldn’t want to be with her. She thinks she loves him but actually views Ody more as a pet
Literally!! The situation is super nuanced and I hate how calypso can’t see how she’s in the wrong because if she just got her head out of her ass she actually could’ve been a good friend to Ody!!
@@navimcfarland9113 yes, but that rlly doesn’t excuse her harassing and sa’ing odysseus. Being in “love” doesn’t give her the right to blatantly ignore Odysseus’ boundaries
Melodies from Each Gods section! Apollo: Different Beast Hephaestus: Scylla Aphrodite: Mutiny Ares: Warrior of the Mind Hera: idk, suffering maybe? Zeus: Thunder Bringer
Wanna know something even sadder? During that part where everyone starts singing to him (Eury, Pol, and his mom), Polites' voice sounds faded and hard to read compared to the others, showing Ody's starting to forget how Polites sounded. :(
23:08 I just want to mention that instead of the melody for mind it actually is the "i know life and fate are scary" from Legendary! Try singing "Maybe one day he'll follow me and we'll make a greater tomorrow then they'll see I know he'll change the world 'cause he is a _I know life and and fate are scary_ "
Oh i always thought if it like Ody singing Please say one day you'll reach him and we can build his skills as i teach him. And i know one day he'll change the world because he will be legendary
Same melody as that, but I imagine the phrase being, "I wanna be legendary" at that part 🥲 Which, if Athena has been "fighting to be known," could either mean she's fighting for herself to be legendary or she's simply fighting for both Odysseus and Telemachus, her friends 😭💙
At midnight on August 30th when he released the Wisdom Saga, he had a Livestream watch party that concluded with the Wisdom Saga, and he had a surprising amount of it animated by artists already! 😍 th-cam.com/users/liveXwx0X4O91Kk?si=ALnLiFVGbgep0aWV&t=5520 Then halfway through he got copyright struck (HOW?!) so he continued from Love In Paradise on a second stream! th-cam.com/video/C3ctXVWMBXc/w-d-xo.html They're all so good!! And thank you for sharing your thoughts!!
Quick reminder that watching the livestream does not in fact support Jay and the cast so if you watch it, as you should make sure to just stream the songs a few times afterwards
**WARNING - FOR TALKING ABOUT SA** I'm glad you reacted the way you did about the song. Since while I listened to it, even if I enjoyed it, it made me so uncomfortable and angry with what I know about the original myth. The thing about Calypso, people compare her to either Percy Jackson's book or like some versions of the poem/story have come out later. I get why they changed her for Percy Jackson, since you can't have a child on an island for weeks at a time with a literal r*pist. So they made it more sympathetic and less fucked up and horrible. But in the actual myth, Calypso has Odysseus around for 7 years (like EPIC) and r*pes him for said seven years since he can't resist her, since she's a goddess. And he cries himself to sleep every night because of it. It's not like she's under a spell to fall in love with him like people say. She was imprisoned there because she sided with the Titan's. Now, I don't know if EPIC will go into these topics but I think Calypso shouldn't be made a sympathetic character like Circe was. Circe had a reason to do what she did (even if it's still fucking horrible), and she stopped when Odysseus rejected her advances since she saw how much he loved his wife. It's not like I want Odysseus to go through what he did - but I think it's important to acknowledge what happened since male SA isn't talked about enough in media and usually it's even made fun of. It's not like I want an explicit song about it either. Jay can imply it, or something, or just have a line about how the island wasn't paradise but hell for him for what she did to him. But I do think she should be depicted accurately at least somewhat. Even if it'd make me uncomfortable and fucking pissed off, I think some things should make people angry or uncomfortable to learn, grow, or become a better person. It shows your human. I think its important that we talk about it, bring light to it, and acknowledge what happened! I do think with the lyrics of Love In Paradise, where she just keeps forcing herself onto him is a form of sexual harassment, and she implies taking him to bed even if he says he's not interested. And she said that the island is trapped under **her spell** so that means that this is to Calypso's spell, meaning she knows what she's doing and isn't under some love spell like people say. Talking to him like he's a pet - "bow down" and "you're adorable". Like, taunting him and flaunting her power over him since she knows he can't do anything to stop her. How she keeps trying to reel him back from jumping. She just makes me so fuckin' uncomfortable and I just want to throttle her. (I have NOT HEARD any of the clips or whatever for future songs of EPIC so please don't spoil that for me. Also, Jay could have changed the story more since they are demo songs, so never assume Calypso or any character won't be changed from the original myth.) Anyways, this is a long ass message and people probably won't read it. I just love Odysseus a lot and want him to be happy and away from that horrible goddess.
💯 don't listen to folks saying you should pause less, like a lot of folks already said it's a react channel. If they wanna hear the songs only go listen to the songs. Additionally, I can't WAIT till some of the animators come out and you see them!
I believe in the original myth calypso does assault Odysseus multiple times across the seven years when he refuses her advances, but in epic I recall reading that jorge made it clear that in this version she only keeps him captive Also// my personal theory is that Zeus told hera to not agree to release Odysseus no matter what, hence why he goes “you dare to defy me? Make me feel shame?” Since he added the “or me” condition in the beginning I’m complete convinced that he was going to release ody anyway, but wanted Athena to beg him to do so. The line up of gods to convince is just so strangely stacked in ody’s favor right up until hera
I love your reactions because they are very much relatable to how I reacted when I’ve first listened to the songs. Over the last few days, I kept checking my notifications if you posted the second part. Very excited to watch the video! EDIT: As far as I know the livestream with the animatics is still available on Jorge’s channel! Though they won’t stay on there forever. Definitely think you should check them out, Jorge said himself that the Wisdom Saga has more animatics than any saga before it.
Odysseus called for Athena because she's his only friend that isn't dead, and she might be able to make Calypso give him back. 😢 17:50 As the audience, we DID listen to Odysseus but the gods have not, they each go off of the things they've seen/heard about the situation. Apollo noticed the songs of the sirens being silenced, Hephaestus heard about how Odysseus gave up his own crew willingly (to Scylla and Zeus), Aphrodite felt his mother's heart shatter because she's the goddess of love not just romantic love, Ares sees how he failed to do war the way he would've (because Odysseus is a warrior of the mind and fought like it) and so calls him a coward. Hera wants Athena to give it a shot, because of all the tragic heros that Greece has why does *Odysseus* deserve her attention at all? She's the Queen.
Funny story my speaker on my phone is on the right so eurilicus was super loud and I couldn't even hear polites because on headphones he is on the left side
Your reaction to Calypso is 100% like mine. How dare she? He said no, and I have no compassion for her. To her it's a paradise but Odys paradise is called Ithaca. Where his son and wife are. And when she called him Ody I really wanted one of Zeus lightning. And then she pulled the open arms. You little... Even Polites would reconsider that with her. What baffles me more is that people are still defending her. She harassed Ody for years, imprisoned him and ignored his opinions that's no love. That's lunacy. But I guess people would rather call him a cheater(refering to the book) then admit that a woman can do such a thing. Also, I don't know why I expected Zeus to admit defeat. He never does anything to help if it doesn't benefit him. And I agree with you Telemachus must be protected. Ares learned the hard way not to touch him (although his voice was amazing).
I definitely recommend watching the animatics in the livestream for the wisdom saga, it really puts you in the feels and makes you even more depressed !!
I like to think Calypso's magic works similarly to the sirens where they pull from the targets memories in order to entice them. However since Odysseus probably suffered some ear damage from Zues' thunder/lightening in Thunderbringer Calypso can only get some information from his memories (the open arms line, being called Ody, the waiting, etc.) but doesn't know the context of those lines so the ear damage is causing her magic to not just work but pulling information from people who he cares about but have lost so its creating the opposite affect, just like how the sirens could pull some information but some incorrect information but can still create some amount of illusion due to the beeswax
Make sure to watch the livestream visuals that are still on Jorge's channel, because at the very end there is something that happens that you won't be able to to know happened, with only the audio
Now that you reacted to it, i highly highly recommend watching the livestream, not necesarilly for a video, but for you to see the amazing visuals of the songs. In God games, at the end, on the only music part there's something that will break your heart. I think it will be a good watch so you know what Mr. Jalapeño envisioned while doing the songs. And then you could watch the fan animatics of the songs and see the differences between each artist and mr. jalapeños ideas and how they use and grow them
I think that Zeus was more angry because Athena indirectly compared him with Odysseus, in that comment that Odysseus never cheated on his wife, while Zeus is known for his unfaithfulness to Hera in Greek Mythology, and plus he was sure that Hera wouldn't care about Odysseus, but he didn't count that Athena would call him out indirectly to get a vote from Hera.
@@KENONICAL A lot of them. I was recently (like 5 minutes ago) told that the “never be loved” part is only in Percy Jackson. Like a lot of Greek stories it probably isn’t one concise narrative. But I recommend reading stories related to the Titanomachy, where the Olympians and the Titans go to war, leading to Zeus ending his father and taking the throne of Olympus
@@KENONICAL I was hoping someone would mention this. Disclaimer: I am in no way defending what Calypso does to Odysseus. Her impact trumps her intent wholly and there is no doubt that she is an antagonist here. Also, I haven't seen/read anything Percy Jackson. All of my lore is from Greek mythology, of which I'm not an expert. All that said - Calypso can't help gloamimg onto Odysseus despite his love for Penelope because Zeus (or the Fates depending on the myth) cursed her for being Atlas's daughter and supporting her dad during the Titanomachy. The Olympians won and the Titans (and their supporters) we punished. Her punishment was to be stuck on that island for all time. Every thousand years or so, the Olympians send a hero to her island for her to tend and befriend. Calypso's curse is to fall in love with every hero that shows up, but none of them ever stay, which means another thousand years of heartbreak and loneliness until the next one.
At least Calypso in PJO wasn't a rapist. And in Trials she even apologised to Percy for the curse probably. We never got to see it was from Lesters POV.
@@freddieadams8435 She isn't one in Epic either though, the musical's take on the characters is different to the original myth. I also always thought the whole "she cursed Annabeth" thing always felt out of character and inconsistent with how she was portrayed in the first series. Loved her in PJO but her portrayal in HoO was not it imo.
@@ohood1788 your right she isn’t one in epic most ppl just add to there imagination because it doesn’t exactly clarify what happens during those seven years
@@Bluecookies165 Yeah but tbh I find it weird that people jump to this specific conclusion though, since that's just not the vibe of the song. If the intention was to imply that, I think the lyrics would've specified it, Epic doesn't really shy away from that subject matter considering how direct Antinous’s lyrics are. There's also a cut song that stated their activities as "walks and late night talks." Not to mention Ody's line being "I won't be drawn to love in paradise" rather than something like "I won't be forced into love in paradise." It's pretty clear that she's trying to convince him to have an actual relationship with her rather than forcing a physical one onto him. I think there's more evidence of her not doing that than the other way around but I won't get into the lyrics of future songs in case you haven't heard them and don't want spoilers. Calypso is still wrong for imprisoning Ody of course but I think it's unfortunate that people don't try to understand the character, dismissing her as an irredeemable villain because of a label she didn't exactly "earn." She's one of the more interesting characters in the musical imo.
I literally thought that instead of "first," you said "fist" (like you were going to say something like, "fist, meet [Calypso's] face") at 9:33 XD Hearts for the reactions!
Her answers to Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Ares didn't actually address their concerns at all in retrospect. They just let her win. Also all your problems with how Zeus acts here is due to him being a Narcicist. It doesn't matter that it's his daughter. It only matters that he lost and felt shame.
I think you missed it, but at the end. When it starts playing warriors of the mind Near the end of it before it crescendos, it starts playing. I want to be legendary 23:05
@endreus2251 Oh, I know about it. It's just there was a chance of it being on the Vengeance Saga, but no! We're starting the next one with Penelope! Woo!
9:46 to be fair to her, I doubt that she would have KNOWN about this phrase an its importance to Ody. It plays up into her very dangerous mindset of trying to be nurturing and caring via confinement. Shes a god, alone on an island that can't be known. She is as naive as a child with the powers of a god at her disposal. Like she said she *means* no harm but she cannot see what her actions actually are doing.
Yooo, Kia Ora! Just discovered your channel and it's so mean to see other kiwis into Epic. It is so frustrating being one of the only people in my whānau raving about Jorge and his work. Awesome reaction! Kā rawe!
It should be noted - in the original Odyssey, Calypso is a bit more... dubious? She's either a Goddess or a Nymph in a particularly weird situation. Not to mention she's one of the two women he slept with in different interpretations. Whats notable there is that with Circe it's... dubious how much he actually wanted that? Meanwhile the text is actually quite clear with Calypso: She forced herself upon him. Repeatedly. For years. Btw as a nonhuman she has essentially unlimited stamina. The text makes references to how he spent most evenings on the shore, weeping for his wife and child.
Odysseus: OH THANK THE GODS!!!!! exept the ones who want to kill me (ares, Hephaestus, posiden, zuez, circie) Calypso: I want to kill you 😹 Odysseus: *glares at her* Calypso: ODY GET AWAY FROM THE LEDGE Posiden waiting in the water: DO A FLIP!!!!!!! Posiden: Flip in the water! Odysseus: *does a flip* *posiden is drowning* Odysseus: hold on *he saves posiden* Hera: SO MANY HERO'S!!!!! Posiden: Your my friend now :)
14:48 Zeus probably sent him as the final punishment. First he made Odysseus choose his life over his men killing them then he imprisoned him on an inescapable island so he can never see the home he wanted to reach so bad.
Man I love your channel! I love your commentary and the little things you caught! I’ve found myself agreeing a lot with your opinions and I absolutely loved your reactions!!! I would love to see you see the animatics that were shown on Jorge’s stream! (Which should still be up!)
6:52 There is one god about whom it is known for sure that he accept "no" as an answer (it is unknown about some others, for example Demeter). Strangely enough, this is Ares.
the way you are with Zeus is how I am with Calypso💀💀💀 like bby you are so so wrong but you also sound HEAVENLY, like, let Odysseus go and take me, I'll gladly stay in paradise with you
OMG no do not appologize for pausing so much! Please keep doing it! I love hearing all your thoughts and reactions to everything. And aaaaa you are such a good singer! Love your videos!
18:14 I do love how Jorge shows how different the gods view things. While we view some things as out of Odysseus's control and have compassion, the gods do not. Odysseus's mom died of a broken heart because he didn't make it back home, it's his fault, no context matters. The gods are allowed to be as unreasonable and uncaring as they want, which shows when most of them easily change their minds. They all don't really care one way or the other.
Kinda funny that you go of course with Zeus but myth Zeus was one of the gods helping out and only punished him in the first place because god of justice and Helios threatened him. And in general played fair. Also didn't particularly like the Heph excuse since he kinda betrayed them first. Fun fact though Heph and Athena got shipped together in ancient greece, to the point Heph had a temple in Athens despite not being normally worshipped, and a different version of the aphrodite myth they got married. though the normal version of that is he tried to bring the thunder on her.
random comment for engagement, gl! No need to apologize for length or stopping to talk. Basically that's why we are here xD Yes there are (as of yesterday at least) animatics/visuals on Jorge's channel, yes we'd love for you to watch them (1 viewer's opinion: I prefer when people react to them, they add ALOT of context which helps in general, still love music only tho
It's rather old at this point, but have you seen mircsy's animatic of my goodbye? Also, you need to watch the livestream animatics for the wisdom saga.
Funny enough in the actual story when Athena asks Zeus to set him free he's basically like "sure anything for my favorite kid"
Don't listen to people who tell you to pause less, this is a reaction video, tell us your thoughts
That depends. Pausing to tell thoughts is fine. But with some TH-camrs it’s like they’re pausing to make the video longer
Fr tho, if you don’t pause your just stealing content
True, although she can do what others do: listen to a portion of the song, discuss it, and then go back to the beginning of that portion.
Yes we need to get past the live action watermark style reactions.
This is your channel. You can pause and talk about whatever you want. If people want to watch you for you they will!
Little fun fact about Heaphestus: He is voiced by Mr. Jalapeños Dad
could this be some secret hint that this version has forge guy as ody’s dad? (obv not but since ody’s true dad was cut (not like the sirens))
@@VillainVacWell, I think it’s probably a reference to Jorge’s dad building the booth that Jorge uses to record most of Epic.
Just an FYI, the “Waiting” is not Penelope but his Mother during the underworld saga. Fun fact about his mom, before the storm bag was opened, she could see Odysseus’ ships in the distance and watched the storm send them away. She figured her son had died from the storm and “walked into the water” to be with her son. Also, he calls out for Athena as she is the only friend he has left who isn’t dead.
@@HunterKillvo2 I realised this when I went back to edit 🤦♀️ nothing I could do about the mistake at that point but thank you!
Oh shit I never realised he was THAT close to home 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
@@thebookbatcavealso she shows up because in the Underworld she says “I’ll stay in your heart” and then Calypso says “I’ll stay inside your heart”
@@thebookbatcave you can add text next time you see a mistake
@@m1sh474 she did tho
Calypso unknowingly triggered Odysseus ptsd with all her words:
- "Ody", get away from the ledge (Eurylochus: Ody, we're never gonna get to make it home)
- "I'll stay inside your heart" (Ody's mom in the underworld: I'll stay in your heart)
- Stay in my "open arms" (Quite obvious our dear Polites 😢)
Odysseus was already experiencing ptsd she just unintentionally made it worse when she was trying to talk him off the ledge
Oh no she absolutely purposefully said those words cause Ody talks in his sleep remember in 7 years she had to have learned a bit about his past
@Sylviathemoth Fun theory but that's not confirmed. Epic is making Calypso a much more sympathetic character, so it's important to leave prior knowledge at the door with this musical
@Sylviathemoth I said that because Ody said " All I hear is screams" before Calypso said anything to him. He was actively in a ptsd episode and Calypso made it worse while trying to misguidedly comfort him and talk him off the ledge and then we get insight into what those screams are that Odysseus is hearing .
@@breannacarlisle5441so supposedly, should this theory be true, Calypso thought that parroting those Odysseus loved would bring him comfort. But instead, the loved ones in question are the ones he was mourning, and mentioning their lines only rubbed salt in the wound
At least she didn't start calling him Captain over and over
15:04 LOL Aphrodite hates Odysseus because she was on the Troy side in the war xD
Also Odysseus mother's heart can't mend because she's dead
I think a lot of people miss the point that the game was "Convince them OR me" -- The task was supposed to be impossible so that Athena would be forced to beg Zeus to save Ody. He wanted it to be on his terms. By convincing the others, she completed the impossible task and Zeus doesn't get to be the big hero man. That's why he "feels shame".
Oooh also Athena's last line to convince Hera was "Never once has he cheated on his wife" in direct reference to Zeus' umm... flings, which probably doesn't sit terribly well with him
"First of all, there's no love here. Second of all, it's not paradise." PREACH.
I've been loving your reactions! And don't worry about pausing; that's what reaction videos are for! ❤
A little fun fact, just as Hephaestus sings on Scylla’s melody cause he talk about treachery, Athena answers Apollo with ‘different beasts’s melody since they were talking about the sirens being slaughter
BRO I dint even notice! I was busy vibing 😅
Okay but also the way he says "..Goddess?". He sounds so tired
You can feel him thinking 'oh not another one!'
Thr initial reason Aphrodite doesn’t want Odysseus to be free is because she holds a HIGH standard for the relationship between a son and their mother (one of Aphrodite's most devoted followers was a son of hers and he had a very close bond with her). Since Odysseus never made it home before hia mother died, she holds contempt for him purely out of spite.
Yeah, she's apart of the gift trio along with Hermes and Ares. Who regularly give their children gifts because they can.
I'd like to think it's also cause during the Trojan War, Aphrodite, along with Ares, Apollo, and Zeus, are all on the Trojan side opposite Odysseus.
Add on top of that that Aphrodite was on Troy's side during the war (and arguably is the direct cause of the war itself), so she already wasn't particularly fond of Odysseus.
I also see the Gods as being kind unable to relate to deep human emotions. 7 years is hell for Ody, but probably a walk in the park for Calypso. Also how Athena had a hard time understanding why Ody was upset about his friend dying
"Zeus' anger at Athena's victory in their game likely stemmed from her using a personal insult to win. She brought up his infidelity to Hera as a means to "make him feel shame," a tactic that undoubtedly provoked his ire. Zeus condemned Athena for daring to question his judgment in "you dare to defy me?", arguing that her insistence on Odysseus's immediate return was a blatant challenge to his divine authority.
Just remembering that Athena is Zeus' favorite daughter, imagine if it was Ares who had challenged him.
Welll after he tried to unalive her
He wouldn't even get the game option.
The "is she dead?" I've kinda interpreted as Ares going "oh fuck, if dad smote her for winning, what's he gonna do to ME for helping her win??" since he's the least favorite child
@@kittycatzuka That thing Ares said was probably more for worry about his SISTER, since Athena and Ares are siblings, two sides of the same coin, both gods/goddesses of war (Ares being more blunt strength and Athena more for strategy), they still do love eachother, so Ares was probably being GENUINE with that. :(
Calypso is probably the most interesting character in EPIC to me because unlike the other villains, she is doing any of this out of malice. She wants Ody to be happy, she just physically cannot fathom why he wouldn’t want to be with her. She thinks she loves him but actually views Ody more as a pet
Literally!! The situation is super nuanced and I hate how calypso can’t see how she’s in the wrong because if she just got her head out of her ass she actually could’ve been a good friend to Ody!!
@@tsutomumybeloved7411 the epic fandom is not ready for Calypso’s song in the next saga😂
She IS grapist. The way that she speaks of him like If He is a pet.
Isnt there a curse on Calypso to fall in love with whoever lands on her cursed island?
@@navimcfarland9113 yes, but that rlly doesn’t excuse her harassing and sa’ing odysseus. Being in “love” doesn’t give her the right to blatantly ignore Odysseus’ boundaries
Calypso also says “I’ll stay inside your heart”, Which is the same thing his mom says to him in “The Underworld” :C
okay thats hella depressing
Her face every time Calypso sings is just priceless
I love how mad you got over Love in Paradise! I find it so cathartic and hilarious. Like buddy Calypso if you love him so much. LET HIM GO!!! ):
The silent F you is such a mood 😂
We all done it. It a ritual at this point😂.
Melodies from Each Gods section!
Apollo: Different Beast
Hephaestus: Scylla
Aphrodite: Mutiny
Ares: Warrior of the Mind
Hera: idk, suffering maybe?
Zeus: Thunder Bringer
it's so funny how much Jorge is having Polites haunt the narrative. Love In Paradise is callbacks: the song and i love it
Wanna know something even sadder?
During that part where everyone starts singing to him (Eury, Pol, and his mom), Polites' voice sounds faded and hard to read compared to the others, showing Ody's starting to forget how Polites sounded. :(
23:08 I just want to mention that instead of the melody for mind it actually is the "i know life and fate are scary" from Legendary! Try singing "Maybe one day he'll follow me and we'll make a greater tomorrow then they'll see I know he'll change the world 'cause he is a _I know life and and fate are scary_ "
Thank you! I realised the end didn’t match up but couldn’t really place it
@@thebookbatcave You are very welcome! I actually found it through another commenter on the original vid.
Oh i always thought if it like Ody singing
Please say one day you'll reach him and we can build his skills as i teach him. And i know one day he'll change the world because he will be legendary
Same melody as that, but I imagine the phrase being, "I wanna be legendary" at that part 🥲 Which, if Athena has been "fighting to be known," could either mean she's fighting for herself to be legendary or she's simply fighting for both Odysseus and Telemachus, her friends 😭💙
More like "wa-nna-be-le-gen-da-ry"
At midnight on August 30th when he released the Wisdom Saga, he had a Livestream watch party that concluded with the Wisdom Saga, and he had a surprising amount of it animated by artists already! 😍
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Then halfway through he got copyright struck (HOW?!) so he continued from Love In Paradise on a second stream!
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They're all so good!! And thank you for sharing your thoughts!!
Quick reminder that watching the livestream does not in fact support Jay and the cast so if you watch it, as you should make sure to just stream the songs a few times afterwards
@@Dawn_the_dragon I'll be sure to listen to it all a few thousand more times on Spotify! 😄
**WARNING - FOR TALKING ABOUT SA**
I'm glad you reacted the way you did about the song. Since while I listened to it, even if I enjoyed it, it made me so uncomfortable and angry with what I know about the original myth.
The thing about Calypso, people compare her to either Percy Jackson's book or like some versions of the poem/story have come out later.
I get why they changed her for Percy Jackson, since you can't have a child on an island for weeks at a time with a literal r*pist. So they made it more sympathetic and less fucked up and horrible.
But in the actual myth, Calypso has Odysseus around for 7 years (like EPIC) and r*pes him for said seven years since he can't resist her, since she's a goddess. And he cries himself to sleep every night because of it. It's not like she's under a spell to fall in love with him like people say. She was imprisoned there because she sided with the Titan's.
Now, I don't know if EPIC will go into these topics but I think Calypso shouldn't be made a sympathetic character like Circe was. Circe had a reason to do what she did (even if it's still fucking horrible), and she stopped when Odysseus rejected her advances since she saw how much he loved his wife.
It's not like I want Odysseus to go through what he did - but I think it's important to acknowledge what happened since male SA isn't talked about enough in media and usually it's even made fun of. It's not like I want an explicit song about it either. Jay can imply it, or something, or just have a line about how the island wasn't paradise but hell for him for what she did to him. But I do think she should be depicted accurately at least somewhat. Even if it'd make me uncomfortable and fucking pissed off, I think some things should make people angry or uncomfortable to learn, grow, or become a better person. It shows your human. I think its important that we talk about it, bring light to it, and acknowledge what happened!
I do think with the lyrics of Love In Paradise, where she just keeps forcing herself onto him is a form of sexual harassment, and she implies taking him to bed even if he says he's not interested. And she said that the island is trapped under **her spell** so that means that this is to Calypso's spell, meaning she knows what she's doing and isn't under some love spell like people say. Talking to him like he's a pet - "bow down" and "you're adorable". Like, taunting him and flaunting her power over him since she knows he can't do anything to stop her. How she keeps trying to reel him back from jumping. She just makes me so fuckin' uncomfortable and I just want to throttle her.
(I have NOT HEARD any of the clips or whatever for future songs of EPIC so please don't spoil that for me. Also, Jay could have changed the story more since they are demo songs, so never assume Calypso or any character won't be changed from the original myth.)
Anyways, this is a long ass message and people probably won't read it. I just love Odysseus a lot and want him to be happy and away from that horrible goddess.
💯 don't listen to folks saying you should pause less, like a lot of folks already said it's a react channel. If they wanna hear the songs only go listen to the songs.
Additionally, I can't WAIT till some of the animators come out and you see them!
The end of love in paradise always gets me teary eyed I can’t imagine what he’s gone through and all he wants to do is go home 😭
I adore how light (ha) and floaty Apollo’s voice is, unfair how we only get three sung lines from him. Reminds me of Orpheus from Hadestown a little
I believe in the original myth calypso does assault Odysseus multiple times across the seven years when he refuses her advances, but in epic I recall reading that jorge made it clear that in this version she only keeps him captive
Also// my personal theory is that Zeus told hera to not agree to release Odysseus no matter what, hence why he goes “you dare to defy me? Make me feel shame?” Since he added the “or me” condition in the beginning I’m complete convinced that he was going to release ody anyway, but wanted Athena to beg him to do so. The line up of gods to convince is just so strangely stacked in ody’s favor right up until hera
I love your reactions because they are very much relatable to how I reacted when I’ve first listened to the songs. Over the last few days, I kept checking my notifications if you posted the second part. Very excited to watch the video!
EDIT: As far as I know the livestream with the animatics is still available on Jorge’s channel! Though they won’t stay on there forever. Definitely think you should check them out, Jorge said himself that the Wisdom Saga has more animatics than any saga before it.
Odysseus called for Athena because she's his only friend that isn't dead, and she might be able to make Calypso give him back. 😢
17:50 As the audience, we DID listen to Odysseus but the gods have not, they each go off of the things they've seen/heard about the situation. Apollo noticed the songs of the sirens being silenced, Hephaestus heard about how Odysseus gave up his own crew willingly (to Scylla and Zeus), Aphrodite felt his mother's heart shatter because she's the goddess of love not just romantic love, Ares sees how he failed to do war the way he would've (because Odysseus is a warrior of the mind and fought like it) and so calls him a coward. Hera wants Athena to give it a shot, because of all the tragic heros that Greece has why does *Odysseus* deserve her attention at all? She's the Queen.
Funny story my speaker on my phone is on the right so eurilicus was super loud and I couldn't even hear polites because on headphones he is on the left side
Odys mother's heart can't mend because shes dead
Your reaction to Calypso is 100% like mine. How dare she? He said no, and I have no compassion for her. To her it's a paradise but Odys paradise is called Ithaca. Where his son and wife are. And when she called him Ody I really wanted one of Zeus lightning. And then she pulled the open arms. You little... Even Polites would reconsider that with her. What baffles me more is that people are still defending her. She harassed Ody for years, imprisoned him and ignored his opinions that's no love. That's lunacy. But I guess people would rather call him a cheater(refering to the book) then admit that a woman can do such a thing. Also, I don't know why I expected Zeus to admit defeat. He never does anything to help if it doesn't benefit him. And I agree with you Telemachus must be protected. Ares learned the hard way not to touch him (although his voice was amazing).
Ahhhhh I thought I was the only one that picked up on Hephaestus signing the tune of “drown in your sorrow and fears.” Etc ahh yay
I definitely recommend watching the animatics in the livestream for the wisdom saga, it really puts you in the feels and makes you even more depressed !!
I like to think Calypso's magic works similarly to the sirens where they pull from the targets memories in order to entice them. However since Odysseus probably suffered some ear damage from Zues' thunder/lightening in Thunderbringer Calypso can only get some information from his memories (the open arms line, being called Ody, the waiting, etc.) but doesn't know the context of those lines so the ear damage is causing her magic to not just work but pulling information from people who he cares about but have lost so its creating the opposite affect, just like how the sirens could pull some information but some incorrect information but can still create some amount of illusion due to the beeswax
Listening to the end of love in paradise shatters my heart every single time... i cant stop crying at the scream of pain. I cant hold it back..
Pausing is fine. You also rewind after pausing so it's not that big an issue.
Make sure to watch the livestream visuals that are still on Jorge's channel, because at the very end there is something that happens that you won't be able to to know happened, with only the audio
Yeah this saga especially relies on the visuals to know what’s going on
And it also makes it easier to catch the lyrics!!
Now that you reacted to it, i highly highly recommend watching the livestream, not necesarilly for a video, but for you to see the amazing visuals of the songs. In God games, at the end, on the only music part there's something that will break your heart. I think it will be a good watch so you know what Mr. Jalapeño envisioned while doing the songs. And then you could watch the fan animatics of the songs and see the differences between each artist and mr. jalapeños ideas and how they use and grow them
Calypso be like; Boy, I'm a godess - you can't say no ^^
I know she's so gross 🤢
You're like honestly the most relatable and funny out of every single person I've seen reacting to this musical. Love it
I think that Zeus was more angry because Athena indirectly compared him with Odysseus, in that comment that Odysseus never cheated on his wife, while Zeus is known for his unfaithfulness to Hera in Greek Mythology, and plus he was sure that Hera wouldn't care about Odysseus, but he didn't count that Athena would call him out indirectly to get a vote from Hera.
The amount of death glares you threw almost after EVERY of Calypso's lines!! 😂
Its so funny watching you fall down as soon as you here a second of Zeus's voice 😂
I must say I absolute LOVE your reactions. And the mention of Calypso in Percy Jackson was took deep in my heart
In not justifying Calypso actions. But she was cursed to be trapped on an island for eternity and never be loved just because her dad was Atlas.
Which version is that contained? I’d like to know more about this :)
@@KENONICAL A lot of them. I was recently (like 5 minutes ago) told that the “never be loved” part is only in Percy Jackson. Like a lot of Greek stories it probably isn’t one concise narrative. But I recommend reading stories related to the Titanomachy, where the Olympians and the Titans go to war, leading to Zeus ending his father and taking the throne of Olympus
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I was hoping someone would mention this.
Disclaimer: I am in no way defending what Calypso does to Odysseus. Her impact trumps her intent wholly and there is no doubt that she is an antagonist here.
Also, I haven't seen/read anything Percy Jackson. All of my lore is from Greek mythology, of which I'm not an expert.
All that said - Calypso can't help gloamimg onto Odysseus despite his love for Penelope because Zeus (or the Fates depending on the myth) cursed her for being Atlas's daughter and supporting her dad during the Titanomachy. The Olympians won and the Titans (and their supporters) we punished.
Her punishment was to be stuck on that island for all time.
Every thousand years or so, the Olympians send a hero to her island for her to tend and befriend. Calypso's curse is to fall in love with every hero that shows up, but none of them ever stay, which means another thousand years of heartbreak and loneliness until the next one.
Bro I screamed so loudly when you mentioned Percy and Annabeth lol
At least Calypso in PJO wasn't a rapist. And in Trials she even apologised to Percy for the curse probably. We never got to see it was from Lesters POV.
Same, bc I did the same thing when I listened to this song on the livestream. Calypso I don’t like you in pjo and epic like… 😂
@@freddieadams8435 She isn't one in Epic either though, the musical's take on the characters is different to the original myth. I also always thought the whole "she cursed Annabeth" thing always felt out of character and inconsistent with how she was portrayed in the first series. Loved her in PJO but her portrayal in HoO was not it imo.
@@ohood1788 your right she isn’t one in epic most ppl just add to there imagination because it doesn’t exactly clarify what happens during those seven years
@@Bluecookies165 Yeah but tbh I find it weird that people jump to this specific conclusion though, since that's just not the vibe of the song. If the intention was to imply that, I think the lyrics would've specified it, Epic doesn't really shy away from that subject matter considering how direct Antinous’s lyrics are.
There's also a cut song that stated their activities as "walks and late night talks." Not to mention Ody's line being "I won't be drawn to love in paradise" rather than something like "I won't be forced into love in paradise." It's pretty clear that she's trying to convince him to have an actual relationship with her rather than forcing a physical one onto him. I think there's more evidence of her not doing that than the other way around but I won't get into the lyrics of future songs in case you haven't heard them and don't want spoilers. Calypso is still wrong for imprisoning Ody of course but I think it's unfortunate that people don't try to understand the character, dismissing her as an irredeemable villain because of a label she didn't exactly "earn." She's one of the more interesting characters in the musical imo.
I literally thought that instead of "first," you said "fist" (like you were going to say something like, "fist, meet [Calypso's] face") at 9:33 XD Hearts for the reactions!
Fun fact, in the odyssey, all Odysseus did on calypso’s island was stand and look at the sea and cry! free my man
10:25 The escalating stages of grief
Her answers to Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Ares didn't actually address their concerns at all in retrospect. They just let her win.
Also all your problems with how Zeus acts here is due to him being a Narcicist. It doesn't matter that it's his daughter. It only matters that he lost and felt shame.
I also wanted Penelope to show up in this saga
you also have such a good voice! this was super great to watch
Love to hear you pause and talk, especially when you pause after a line instead of in the middle of it. Plus you skip back always which is perfect!!
I think you missed it, but at the end. When it starts playing warriors of the mind Near the end of it before it crescendos, it starts playing. I want to be legendary 23:05
Mark my words, Penelope isn't getting a Song until the final Saga to make us wait like Odysseus...
Bro called it, don’t tell him about “The Challenge”
@endreus2251 Oh, I know about it. It's just there was a chance of it being on the Vengeance Saga, but no! We're starting the next one with Penelope! Woo!
9:46 to be fair to her, I doubt that she would have KNOWN about this phrase an its importance to Ody. It plays up into her very dangerous mindset of trying to be nurturing and caring via confinement. Shes a god, alone on an island that can't be known. She is as naive as a child with the powers of a god at her disposal. Like she said she *means* no harm but she cannot see what her actions actually are doing.
She mentioned he talked in his sleeps. I have no doubt that was intentional.
I loved the fact that when Calypso said that goddesses can't die TH-cam killed the Livestream
Not even TH-cam likes Calypso
Yooo, Kia Ora! Just discovered your channel and it's so mean to see other kiwis into Epic. It is so frustrating being one of the only people in my whānau raving about Jorge and his work. Awesome reaction! Kā rawe!
Not even done with the video but your reaction to calypso has me dead 😂😂
Yess, I was waiting for this, you're the only other New Zealander I've seen who has listened to epic, other than the one friend I convinced to listen
It should be noted - in the original Odyssey, Calypso is a bit more... dubious? She's either a Goddess or a Nymph in a particularly weird situation. Not to mention she's one of the two women he slept with in different interpretations. Whats notable there is that with Circe it's... dubious how much he actually wanted that?
Meanwhile the text is actually quite clear with Calypso: She forced herself upon him. Repeatedly. For years. Btw as a nonhuman she has essentially unlimited stamina. The text makes references to how he spent most evenings on the shore, weeping for his wife and child.
At this point I'm convinced we all feel the same way about Zeus/Luke😅🤣
Odysseus: OH THANK THE GODS!!!!! exept the ones who want to kill me (ares, Hephaestus, posiden, zuez, circie)
Calypso: I want to kill you 😹
Odysseus: *glares at her*
Calypso: ODY GET AWAY FROM THE LEDGE
Posiden waiting in the water: DO A FLIP!!!!!!!
Posiden: Flip in the water!
Odysseus: *does a flip*
*posiden is drowning*
Odysseus: hold on *he saves posiden*
Hera: SO MANY HERO'S!!!!!
Posiden: Your my friend now :)
That visceral reaction when Zeus comes in 😂
14:48 Zeus probably sent him as the final punishment. First he made Odysseus choose his life over his men killing them then he imprisoned him on an inescapable island so he can never see the home he wanted to reach so bad.
I would love to see you react to the visuals from the wisdom stream!! The songs hit so much harder with them 😭😭
Man I love your channel! I love your commentary and the little things you caught! I’ve found myself agreeing a lot with your opinions and I absolutely loved your reactions!!!
I would love to see you see the animatics that were shown on Jorge’s stream! (Which should still be up!)
Definitely react to the livestream visuals!! There were so many this time!
The animatic breaks my heart every time for god games. The one from the live. 😢
Calypso they could never make me like you! ❤
Can you react to the livestream the whole thing feels like a movie cause the whole this is basically animated
Tbh, Trust me, if you watch the cinematic, U will feel so many emotions that you will explode
10/10 reactions especially Zeus 😂🎉
6:52 There is one god about whom it is known for sure that he accept "no" as an answer (it is unknown about some others, for example Demeter). Strangely enough, this is Ares.
the way you are with Zeus is how I am with Calypso💀💀💀 like bby you are so so wrong but you also sound HEAVENLY, like, let Odysseus go and take me, I'll gladly stay in paradise with you
OMG no do not appologize for pausing so much! Please keep doing it! I love hearing all your thoughts and reactions to everything. And aaaaa you are such a good singer! Love your videos!
I wish you reacted to the animatics that came with the songs cause they are amazingggg
10:29 You got hit with a triple wammy lol
My favorite thing is when you pause RIGHT before the good parts lmao
18:14 I do love how Jorge shows how different the gods view things. While we view some things as out of Odysseus's control and have compassion, the gods do not. Odysseus's mom died of a broken heart because he didn't make it back home, it's his fault, no context matters. The gods are allowed to be as unreasonable and uncaring as they want, which shows when most of them easily change their minds. They all don't really care one way or the other.
I LOOVVEEE YOUR REACTIONS!!
21:40-22:13 This is the part when we call in Kratos and Sun Wukong to drag the Thunder Bringer through the wringer.
Kinda funny that you go of course with Zeus but myth Zeus was one of the gods helping out and only punished him in the first place because god of justice and Helios threatened him. And in general played fair.
Also didn't particularly like the Heph excuse since he kinda betrayed them first.
Fun fact though Heph and Athena got shipped together in ancient greece, to the point Heph had a temple in Athens despite not being normally worshipped, and a different version of the aphrodite myth they got married. though the normal version of that is he tried to bring the thunder on her.
Now that you've listened to the songs, I beg you to watch the live stream animations 😅🙏
Epic Calypso they could never make me hate you ❤️
Athena is fighting for her own life
Girl in the video: 💃💃💃
I always look forward to your reactions 🫶 aaahhh
SEEING UR REACTIONS TO ZEUS IS SO GREAT JDNSJFKS LIKE SAME HERE ...
8:09 oh... dear... you are not prepared for what's coming next...
Question who do you hate more Zeus or Antinous (the suitor who bullied Telemachus)
Yes
Yes.
random comment for engagement, gl!
No need to apologize for length or stopping to talk. Basically that's why we are here xD
Yes there are (as of yesterday at least) animatics/visuals on Jorge's channel, yes we'd love for you to watch them (1 viewer's opinion: I prefer when people react to them, they add ALOT of context which helps in general, still love music only tho
17:44 she off herself after she so the storm that the windbag produced thinking ody drowned
The "Spare us" line is in Different Beast btw
you should watch the livestream jorge did with the animatic for god games finale you'll be even more sadder realizing whats implied for the ending
The animatics were on the streams he did on YT. They will be taken down sometime soon too (I think 10 days from when they were streamed)
Mean as reaction subed quick asf
I like your comments, your reactions are good
It's rather old at this point, but have you seen mircsy's animatic of my goodbye? Also, you need to watch the livestream animatics for the wisdom saga.