@@Skywalker20239 Well that’s understandable because the main outline of the Disney canon is extremely mixed up. Plus just look at the toy sales for the sequel characters. It might as well be in the dumpster(actually I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of those toys were sent to the incinerator. Which is a waste). By looking at all the real world evidence you can tell that Disney Star Wars is slowly dying but the love for the original Star Wars is still alive. And the cherry on top was the galactic star cruiser which had little to no original Star Wars stuff(failed and shut down).
It’s completely hilarious how they were addicted to that line in the movie and yet they’re using past stories to make new ones. “Gasp” 😱 Disney is lying?! I am shocked 😆
The original Star Wars EU will never die. It’s the true canon. The majority of fans have enjoyed that content for over a decade. It’s massive universe is a bit similar to Tolkien’s world(in size I mean). Each story you read(or play in a game) gets you hungry for more. Plus it showed more respect to the Skywalker family tree. Honestly I think it’s our job to keep the original stories alive and hand them down to the next generation.
I think that whichever timeline you prefer is a personal preference. I personally like Legends better but I don't think any less of any fans I do meet who prefer canon. Honestly, they're the lucky ones. I wish I could love TLJ and TROS, I just can't.
For me the EU died when Jacen killed Mara. He was my favorite new character and now I can’t even go back and read the Jedi academy books because knowing Jacen’s doom just sours everything.
@@legoforbeginners6950 honestly I used to be cool with the sequels. I even had a crush on Rey(hey I think she’s pretty. Lol 😂). I didn’t like how they handled Luke Skywalker but I tried to be optimistic about it. However the more I analyzed the outline(and the fights) the more it really annoyed me. It was just too unorganized and confusing. I think that’s what happened to other Sequel fans over the years. That’s why you only see 1-5% approval for the sequel movies on these Star Wars polls(Community posts) in recent years
@@legoforbeginners6950 I would have to say my two breaking points was how they killed of the Skywalker bloodline and when Daisy Ridley admitted that there was no plan for her character (or villain) from the start. Everything was just up in the air. Star Wars theory was furious when he listened to Daisy Ridley’s interview about that and I completely understand.
Yeah, Disney gladly takes the money from them. While I understood the decision to “decanonize” the EU (even though it was was never truly considered canon), I never understood why they not allow stories to still be told in it. Let’s be honest, the people that consume books, comics, ect are usually big Star Wars fans, so most would know EU stories are not canon, so the claim it would confuse people does not make sense. They would make more money allowing it to continue but for some reason they seem to be denying that fact
Yep and yet Disney still have the utter cheek and ignorance, arrogance really to keep printing those books and not even may any of those original writers of those stories their due Royalties. I don't know about Disney in trouble with Florida over Reedy Creek stuff, Disney should be sued and taken to court by ALL these EU writers over not being paid their royalties, for something they created, and Disney are making money off of.
They screwed Dave Wolverton out of his royalties… and wrote an obituary piece celebrating the man on the day of his passing. Really shameless, if you ask me.
Yeah, sorry CBR, not gonna ignore the EU just because it doesn't worship the ground Rey Palpatine walks on. At least the EU respects all 6 movies and the characters within them.
At least Jedi Prince was ignored once the EU went into full swing. While their version of Jedi Prince is the official canon we must adhere to as time passes.
"The only way customers will enjoy the new content is if they know nothing about the content that came before it." That sounds like something out of George Orwell's 1984.
My biggest problem is that no matter how good any of the new stuff is, it will always come at the cost of having it tied to the Disney films. As far as I am concerned, its a poisoned well. Any good branch growing from a tree is meaningless if the tree itself is rotted. For Cal Kestis, we get Jake Skywalker. For Andor, we get Deadbeat Solo. And so it goes. It grows out of contempt rather than the love present in the EU.
Yeah, and that issue actually does affect even the good stuff. One criticism I do have of the Respawn Jedi games is the fact that the stories are largely inconsequential to the greater galaxy. Yeah, Darth Vader shows up a few times, but by and large if the stories never occurred, the galaxy would remain the same. But that's not Respawn's fault, because Disney canon is such a goddamn mess that they can't make a story too consequential without potentially stepping on someone else's toes, so they just have their own corner of the galaxy to play with and be really good without significant ties to anything else. Contrast that with The Force Unleashed, which is ultimately the story of the founding of the Rebel Alliance, even tying with other EU works such as the Purge Troopers being an early form of the Dark Trooper project or Garm Bel Ilbus from the Thrawn Trilogy showing up as one of the rebel leaders. They even managed to give Galen Marek retroactive legacy in films by having the Rebel symbol be his family crest. While a blatant retcon, it does mean he isn't a complete ghost in the later timeline unlike what Ahsoka often can feel like with the fact there's absolutely zero mention of her existence in either ROTS or the OT despite her massive importance. But that just shows how much better the old Star Wars timeline was planned. Again, it was never perfect and there are always a few retcons here and there, but Disney's canon is messier now than the Star Wars EU ever was prior to The Clone Wars (and even then, The Clone Wars is now moved over to Disney canon, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not a part of Legends anymore).
Yeah you’re spot on. That’s what makes Luke Skywalkers heroic entrance in the Mandalorian a bit sad. All roads lead to the Big Lebowski in the Last Jedi. Actually the entire sequel trilogy makes every effort of the rebellion(original trilogy) kind of pointless if you think about it. The point of George Lucas‘s sequel trilogy is to rebuild everything and make it better than before(we didn’t see that in the 2019 film).
Yeah, the EU is so dead that they literally keep trying (poorly) to bring in storylines from it (Dark Empire, Darth Caedus -> Kylo Ren, Thrawn) rather than actually make “new Star Wars stories”.
Kyle Katarn has basically been split into multiple different characters in Disney Star Wars. Finn got defecting former Stormtrooper Kyle. Cassian got rebel mercenary who stole the Death Star plans Kyle. Kanan Jarrus and Cal Kestis got "just a guy with a lightsaber" sorta morally edgier Jedi Kyle. Hell, even that guy in the new Star Wars Outlaws trailer has Kyle's looks. It's like the anti-Dragon Ball fusion. lol
@@gameragodzillaUgh please don’t remind me. Removing Kyle Katarn was a massive mistake in my opinion. Don’t misunderstand me I still think Cal is awesome character(Got a platinum trophy for both games) but Kyle is a little more cool. He’s like Han Solo with a light saber. It would’ve been really cool to see Kyle and Cal team up.
@@tookie1g The most badass female Jedi doesn’t get to exist because we get a Mary Sue to overwrite the character I’ve literally known and lived for 47 years. Sure seems like a half-baked strategy from idiots trying to pretend they know everything. At this point, if Ahsoka sucks, I’m going to start rooting for failure. It’s the only way SW is ever going to make it back.
@@rawnchydeard4669 honestly I'm more pissed they destroyed Winter, Jaina, Jacen, Anikan Solo, and Tahiri... For "Ben"(Making Leia and Han worse parents and removing an Alderanian badass female character) and then trying to giving Tahiri's backstory to Boba Fett and somehow emasculating him with the story of a 9ish year old girl Jedi badass... It's like if Hasbro had taken Barbies movie and just made her the main character of "Battleship" while also making her and every female character in the movie less badass.
Completely unrelated fun fact: When the Library of Alexandria burned, it was already nearly empty from decades of low funding draining it's resources. The funding dried up largely due the barbarian incursions and the slow collapse of the Empire.
Would you like to get another completely unrelated fun fact!? Did you know, the train used in Indy 5, was borrowed from Paramount and tom cruise/wagner productions of his latest M.I.: Dead Reckoning movie. I guess *Lucasfilm* is good at borrowing other people's stuff.
Another completely unrelated fun fact. Pluto’s low mass causes it and it’s moon to spin around an axis that is not actually Pluto’s center of mass. This results in a path that is more like a dance between the two as they revolve around the sun
To *which* time are you referring? Ptolemy (the second, IIRC) began the process of having every ship in port searched for new works to be copied (Keeping the originals) and would continue that process until the library burned down the first time. Over the centuries, the damned 'hard drive' got wiped a few more times and started over. With my luck, they probably had all of the first-hand religious writings of the pagan Germanic tribes in one of those blazes, just so I can lament while reading altered Christian interpretations.
@@pianoman9421 you might as well drop the "SW"... I'll agree that they are Disney fans, and I'll agree they like to masquerade as Star Wars fans, but I think there's a distinction to be made between a Disney fan who likes the Star Wars content Disney is producing... and a Star Wars fan, who generally doesn't. Which isn't to say Star Wars fans all hate the Disney Star Wars stuff, some of them seem to like Andor for some reason. But when you start talking to someone, it becomes pretty clear which they are, and that they're not in fact fans of the same thing. Star Wars fans are fans of Star Wars, and some of them still naively hope for good new Disney SW, and they settle for subpar material here and there cuz they're so thirsty for it, but they'd still be fans of Star Wars whether Disney existed or not, whether Disney owned the franchise or not. The Disney fans are ONLY into Star Wars because it's one of Disney's acquisitions and weapons in the culture war, and THOSE people want to use it THAT way.
I remember when they said that in that movie. That's when I knew that Disney would never do star wars justice. I haven't watched the third movie in that trilogy because of it.
My head canon is personally the six Lucas movies, clone wars, fallen order and survivor, and Eu as the jedi and the republic did prosper after episode 6 in the EU, unlike in the sequels where it was burned down for resistance vs first order
@@Jedishill680 Oh, wow, mine's pretty complicated. I include the first six films, the animated portion of the Holiday Special, Droids, Clone Wars (both of 'em), Rogue One, Andor, the first two seasons of Mandalorian, John Ostrander's Quinlan Vos and Clone Wars-era comics, Timothy Zahn's first trilogy, the Dark Empire trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, Force Unleashed, Republic Commando, Bounty Hunter, KOTOR, and a weird combo of Solo/Han Solo Trilogy/Han Solo Adventures... Heh.
The EU, warts and all, is superior to most of the Disney offerings. Yes Rogue One is good. Yes Rebels is good. Jedi Fallen Order is very good. Still The EU showed the main heroes striving and prospering. Luke became a leader, father and teacher when he rebuilt The Jedi. Leia and Han actually had a stable relationship that survived tragic events. There are memorable villains, like Thrawn, that Disney is now using because of their popularity. Then there's The Old Republic stuff, like Star Wars The Old Republic mmo and it's multitude of stories. Disney hasn't reached those levels of storytelling and it's blatant.
SWTOR is the big one for me. I started it waaaaaaay back in 2011, and finally finished the final two stories I had to do (smuggler and trooper) in 2020. Without a shred of doubt, I can say that the stories in SWTOR blow anything Disney has created out of the water. I'm really hoping that they don't let those stories die, and if the game ever goes offline we get a single player rendition of the game so that we can keep experiencing those stories.
I never regret my decision to read star wars books from expanded universe, it's been great, especially original Thrawn trilogy, and new jedi order books.
What’s funny is that my introduction to the expanded universe was the Jedi Knight video games. Outcast and Jedi academy. Then the Legacy comic books(which is close to the end of the Lucas arts timeline) got me even more hooked on the lore. I read every single one from start to finish and it’s fantastic. It got me to want to learn what happened in the past with Luke Skywalker. The legacy comic books even finished an old republic character’s story. Celeste Morne if I recall correctly. Really nice touch.
Ya know...if I recall correctly, there was this guy named George Orwell who wrote a little book entitled 1984. That entire book was based on "let the past die". Big Brother tried to rewrite everything. Change all the meanings. Confuse people. Use conflicting "politically correct" speech. But hey. :-D X-D
It’s transparently obvious that Disney doesn’t want any comparison of originals with remakes. They want to bury the EU not because it’s unpopular but because it’s popular.
Exactly. They are a bunch of envious, malicious brats who are running around the beach kicking the sand castles other kids built because they can´t build anything that nice themselves. You know they are in their last days when they are trying to bury even fanfics which go against their 4g3nda.
Yes, it's not dead, but Lucasfilm is trying to ENGINEER it so that it dies, that it fades from public consciousness. It's why they keep recycling Legends titles for their shit (Tales of the Jedi, folks?) without even mentioning it, in the hopes what they do will supplant it.
I take the bus from New Jersey into New York City once or twice a month. And I've recently started re-reading the "Admiral Thrawn Trilogy". And I'm really enjoying it. It's soo nice to read a Star Wars story written be someone who actually likes Star Wars.
I've noticed, especially after TLJ, that there is this small, modern audience that can't stand what came before Disney SW. They are the same type of people that scream for equality, yet go out of their way to destroy whatever came first to prop up what is current. That includes, characters, agenda, politics, etc. They write articles, or make videos that condemn, bash, and out right slander OT, or prequel movies/characters. They will label you if you criticize KK, or anything that's current Disney. It's crazy, because they're no better than the other side that constantly screams "woke", or nonsense like that. However, the more this current era of Disney reigns the more and more I see agenda importance over good storytelling. It's sad really. Because these type of people have power. Both sides of the extreme. Whereas people like myself, who reside in the middle, sit and watch all of it burn. Shitty part is that I don't want to watch Star Wars burn. I want it to be good. But that won't happen until we get this current "my politics first" regime out of Disney/Hollywood. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I feel this is what the Western world has become. Two extremist sides screaming at each other and having meltdowns the moment anyone suggests they aren’t 100% correct, and all the reasonable people stuck in the middle watching everything get destroyed by them.
If the EU was dead they wouldn't have Marc Thompson narrating the EU X-Wing series at this moment and which is selling so well for them. I bought those audiobooks and LOVE them more than the High Republic (personal opinion). Bottom line; there's a lot of love for the EU out there STILL and DESPITE even some of Disney's new canon.
Remember when McDonalds used to make their biscuits from scratch in store every morning? This article is the equivalent of saying look, that was the past, it’s time to move on and embrace the new biscuits that are made in a factory, full of chemicals and preservatives and actively make your health worse. Stop wishing for something better
It's ironic, the disaster that has been most of Disney SW has turned people more to the EU than earlier due to word of mouth of the EU being as great as it is.
I've only gotten into the EU recently and can say for sure, that the main storylines are vastly more superior than whatever the hell the new stuff is trying to tell.
Fun fact : In order for the new characters to work Disney had to neuter, kill or destroy the old, original characters. The EU never had to do that. Instead of taking away it added, spun forward and continued. Mara Jade, the Twins, Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn and all the others worked with their stories running intertwined and combined with with the OT characters. That alone should tell wich is the „better“ canon.
The anger and hate put into this ‘article’ is petty and unhealthy. If Disney really spoke through CBR in this article, this is also their envy and jealously. If this author acted on their own, then maybe they’re sick of it all and vented, it’s not impossible, though the former regarding the unhealthy hate and anger feels more likely.
@@MCsCreations Disney and Kennedy are more Sithy than anything, but I can’t bring myself to dismiss what you’re saying in any way shape or form. It’s honestly sad that it’s come to this. Petty, senseless hate is the true reason for the failures. The worst they could have done was put it aside or let somebody who was unbiased lead the charge. We got to where we are now because of contempt. Everything goes back to Kennedy and Iger because everything comes back to contempt, including the mismanagement of things and the false belief that something is wrong with Star Wars and that it needed to be fixed.
@teleportedbreadfor3days475 Oh, don't worry about Bobby and Kathy. They're already fighting each other and the media turned on them. They're absolutely going to pay even for what they didn't do.
Even if most of it is shit like the haters claim, people still like it. It's a market that's proven itself time and time again, but we're still deprived of new stories. I do think the heads of Lucasfilm are jealous that despite being a smaller crowd, that the Legends stories are still more beloved than anything they've made to those who do know it.
It feels like some poeple that advocate for the old stuff to be forgotten/remade, have always wanted to be a fan of whatever franchise youre talking about but something was always holding them back, it being too old for them to enjoy or something involving the content of said franchise. But now with the new interrations, they are able to enjoy and insert themselves into the fandom, but instead the new is being rejected by a large portion of the existing fanbase so they feel the need to defend and validate the new because they don't want it to be like what it used to.
For decades cbr was one of the best websites in the comic book space. They collected links, commissioned articles on a lot of very nerdy and wonderful subjects, and provided a message board home for comic fans. Then, sometime in the last decade they got bought out and all the good aspects of cbr (With the single exception of the message board, which is, thank God, still there.) were gone. Overnight it became a clickbait farm, and over the years it's become worse and worse. This article was generated by one of their few remaining writers to trend on Twitter or be shared on Facebook. Being controversial and getting people to talk about it is the point. I doubt the author will even remember they wrote it six months from now.
In regard to news, the fundamental problem is that corporations like Google and Facebook get the advertising dollars. The people who refer and connect us to content get all the money, while the people who produce it get almost none. That's why so many news sites have become clickbait farms or put up paywalls.
There's no "The holiday special is dead, time to accept it" headlines because that would be silly. The only reason the article about the EU got written is because it *is* better (overall, if not in every instance necessarily) than the dreck from Disney.
Jamie Parker had made a very dangerous and dishonest conflation. In the sub title, Jamie says SW fans should embrace "new stories", this phrasing suggests that the SW fandom simply dislikes Disney SW because its "new". But of course the real reason, as I'm sure we can all gander, is fans aren't against "new stories", they're opposed to bad stories. There's a difference between someone saying "oh nothing new is ever good" and making a calculated assessment on what a new SW project by Disney will be like. What I mean is Disney has shown a clear pattern in their method of story telling, and because of how prevalent it is, fans are simply exhausted and have been conditioned to think that Disney won't change, because so far they really haven't. Fans embrace Legends, not because it's "older", but simply because those stories were well-written. People got flack, and in some cases still do, for liking the prequels, which in the early 2000s was because it was "new", but those movies have aged well, again because they are good stories. The sequal trilogy, Mando season 3, Book of Boba and presumably the Acolyte aren't being seen as bad because they are new, but because they aren't good stories. Legends, Clone Wars, Battlefront, Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor and the first 2 trilogies, showed what SW can and should be, Disney Era SW show us what happens when the "what if" is for all the wrong reasons
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
You can’t keep it canon because George Lucas himself never considered it canon to begin with, Although they did help influence and shape the actual canon during the development of the prequels.
Guess Anakin slaughtering dozens of young children isn't considered evil. Or Darth Bane relishing in his enemies fear to strengthen his link to the dark side before slicing their heads off isn't evil either. These people are posers and are clueless, I swear.
@@nicolicarpathia318If you're talking about the part where Bane killed the children and the father in the first book, then also understand that Gillanthy poisoned him at that time and he needed the fear to strengthen his connection to the Dark Side to keep him alive longer. Not saying that you're wrong for calling him evil, but there was a reason.
The most absurd line I’ve ever seen. The entire story of Star Wars is about light vs dark. And even though some Jedi are considered to be “grey Jedi”, it doesn’t mean characters like Ahsoka are saving people one day and committing genocide the next. Grey Jedi are still 95% in the light. It just means they don’t follow the ridiculous strict code of the old Jedi order(like avoiding marriage and other attachments for example)
It can basically be boiled down to "Hey, that thing you love is bad, you should stop liking it and like this thing I like instead." Yes, they're both in the same franchise, but even so, that's a pretty terrible argument and certainly isn't going to convince those who love that thing you don't love to like what you like. Like, why can't we just be like "Hey, you like what you like, I like what I like, we don't all like the same things, and that's okay"? It's not that hard. More fans of more things should try that more often. Fighting about it is just tiresome, and hurts any fandom that kind of fighting is part of. Giving honest criticism and having discussions about what's good and bad about things like Disney Star Wars or the EU is great stuff, and should be encouraged within fandoms. But this fighting and trying to kill what you don't like or belittling people for liking parts of it that you don't is so stupid.
I could name many stories that we're worse off for now that they've been purged from the timeline. But we're somehow "better off" without the EU. Thanks for doing Lucasfilm's job for them, CBR! You're helping them to bury our stories!
I honestly believe that Disney Made this article considering how much they hate THE EU because even though it's been "Dead" for 10 years you still have countless people singing its praises while ignoring Jake Wars Disney ("Star Wars") "Canon" It eats them up knowing that THE EU is still so unbelievably popular despite having next to nothing added to it outside the loved Star Wars The Old Republic MMORPG stuff No matter how Good some of the stuff Disney has made is like Rebels Season 7 of the clone wars Some Darth Vader comics The Dr Aphra comics Tales of the jedi (Show) The bad batch The Mando Season 1 and 2 I refuse to acknowledge it as a part of The Real Star Wars THE EU
I like how you kinda summed up the whole thing at one point as "if new stuff were better than EU then there wouldn't even be the need for this article to be made" - I mean, yeah. When you think about it, what does it say about disney, if (according to the article) you need to cut yourself from EU, "accept that it's dead" to enjoy the new stuff?
My favorite Expanded Universe content is Karen Traviss' Republic Commando series. I was sad when I found it, read it, then found out Disney ended the EU and Karen couldn't finish.
That's why Disney hates it. I've always advocated for that sort of thinking. Let no one tell you what is canon. Just because it exists doesn't mean it has to be, even if you do enjoy it. Accept what you want, now what anyone else wants. Disney, Star Wars fans, heck even George. None of them can tell you what's your headcanon, because it's *your* headcanon. (I of course, respect George)
There have always been parts of the EU that I have preferred to ignore. There is a lot of the Disney-Canon I prefer to ignore, primarily the sequel trilogy, Solo and Kenobi. But I am happy to have Rebels, Rogue One, most of the Mandalorian and Andor as part of my personal EU. Yes, its cherrypicking, but why not?
I tend to do the same thing, i cherrypick certain shows from Disney canon, which mainly are parts of the Mandalorian, Rogue One, Rebels, Andor and Tales of the Jedi and they are part of the canon in my head while ignoring every other movie and show for various reasons and not really bothering to read any of the new canon books and comics, while still going back and reading a lot of the old EU stories. Hopefully i can say the same about Ahsoka when that series comes out.
I don't even include most of Disney canon as my headcanon. Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch. I enjoyed the Mandalorian, Kenobi (What's enjoyable of it) and Solo. I can enjoy something and still not include it as canon. Especially if it's something like Kenobi that complicates the timeline. Better to think of it as a what if.
I dunno bout CBR, Disney need "CPR" right now cause they're on the verge of completely kicking the bucket. their two major IPs Marvel & Star Wars sinking, all their latest releases especially in the live-action remake and Pixar departments have been losing them money. they had loads of layoffs, record low numbers of visitors to their parks. they've had to shut down one of their newest park attractions at Galaxy's Edge - the Galactic Starcruiser. Now they're facing the Hollywood strikes currently going on with the WGA and Actors Guild together (which is rather unprecedented). Now Disney have lost in court regarding the Florida State, statute and they already lost Reedy Creek lol. 😂😂
“EU” Fans aren’t blinded by nostalgia, we fully recognize that it had its issues. That being said, those issues are light years less than the Disney made fan-verse ones.
The Star Wars EU is like a straight line which all Disney had to do is walk and profit from. Instead they sent Star Wars back to the beginning and did a snake trail only crossing the original path when they wanted to.
Because the EU didn't support Kathleen Kennedy's hatred of men. The only way she could replace Luke with Rey Palpatine is for Luke to be humbled, degraded and killed off. #boycottdisney
I attended a Con last year and one kid had a small booth set up with a sign reading ... "The Disney Star Wars Sequels are the best of Star Wars, change my mind (*)". And, as is usual, the asterisk caught my attention. So I asked why it was there and he added in "Well, only the new movies ... not the rest of the stuff". When I asked how much of the EU he'd read he said ... "None, it's got too many books and stuff.". . Seriously? How can he claim that the Sequel Trilogy is "the best" when he's never experienced ALL of the rest? . I'm in my 50s and I've been a Star Wars fan from day one! I have dozens of novels, reference books, graphic novels and all of the old comic-book series ... I've collected the toys, games, cards and tchotchkes for over 40 YEARS and this kid, who's watched 3 movies and maybe one cartoon series wants to tell me he knows more about Star Wars than I do? If you can't name all of Han & Leia's kids, don't know who Mara Jade, Talon Karrde and Kip Durron are, or tell me the significance of the Yuuzhan Vong then keep your mouth SHUT! Yes, it's gate-keeping ... deal with it. Go into a sports bar and proclaim yourself an expert on Football without knowing who Broadway Joe and Mean Joe Green are and see how well you're received. We've put in the time, put in the effort and put in the imagination to EARN our stripes ... these "new fans" are shallow, ignorant and disrespectful and WE DON'T NEED THEM!
I hate when people refuse to explore the EU on the basis of its quantity. I've read many books and comics from the classic canon and I can tell you in all honesty that I've barely scratched the surface. It has had zero impact on my ability to enjoy the stories. I probably will never read every Star Wars story from the pre-Disney canon, and I'm fine with that. I'll keep finding material that interests me and revisit the ones that I love. It's a big universe. That's part of the fun of Star Wars.
@@Tracer_Krieg I'd say he was mid-twenties, had a pod-cast and started to hint that he'd like me to show up but I kind of plastered him and the invitation never happened. But yeah, I listened in on some other people and he's a Kathleen Kennedy parrot.
Pretty sure that unless you count the Jedi Prince books (which I don't), Crystal Star was the worst book in the EU. I'm not going to say it's outright *better* than the sequel trilogy, but it has the advantage of being easily ignorable. That was the thing about the EU. Even when a book did turn out to be a stinker, it didn't have anywhere near the impact that at bad *movie* has, and thus you could just ignore it easily and focus all your attention on the good stuff.
@@RedXlV I have read Crystal Star but cannot remember it at all, which I guess is an indicator of its quality. But yes, I agree about being able to ignore one of many books. Cannot do that as easily with the movies, though the sequels are at least last in the chronology so you can just stop before you get there.
Also if I were to say about what created the formation of the rebel alliance came from? It came from Galen Marek aka Starkiller. Apprentice of Darth Vader. And someone who wanted to root out the rebels and started to form the rebel alliance out of exposing traitors and decided to save the rebel alliance and with his sacrifice against Palpatine, he birthed the rebel alliance. And the lothal ghost crew joins the forming rebel alliance. And maybe the fact that Ezra brought Thrawn to the unknown regions is how the rebel alliance didn’t suffer defeat. Because Ezra teleported Thrawn to the unknown regions. And rex does join the battle of Endor
Reading the High Republic stuff made me sad. I didnt read much past the first book because, well, it was not good. The thing that makes Lucasfilms current projects not as well as past projects is that they truly believe I have to like what they put out now because of what George Lucas put out in the 70s and 80s. That thought process is flawed. They think you can throw anything out there and we have to like it. We don't.
They also think that if we don't like it, that justifies how they attack us, and call us names and blame us for their failures. We're "toxic" and "bigoted" or something, and that MUST be why we don't like it. 😕
Disney sure has no problem selling EU "Legends" content. Look, dont need Disney to enjoy Star Wars, there's decades worth of EU books, comics, and video games to enjoy. If you enjoy Disney Star Wars, good on you, but the original six movies, TCW, and the good EU content will always be my Star Wars (and my canon). I dont think Star Wars has a very bright future with Disney/Lucasfilm, they're a mess right now.
In response to that article, I only have this to say: if the stories that have come since Disney acquired the Star Wars franchise have failed to capture the hearts and minds of the fans the way the EU did, that is Disney's failure. The declaration that the EU is non-canon or dead or whatever does not change the quality of what they have produced.
Pure Disney shillery. "What they are already doing is the best possible outcome! Whatever they do is genius." I think they've nullified they're own opinions going forward. They're a purchased billboard. Excuse me, I just watched the villanueve Dune, the Lynch Dune and the Jodorovsky documentary about trying to and almost making an awesome version. It just reinforces that, if u are getting something from the source and then a corporation steps in, or if a long time just passes, that thing gets diluted.
The irony about those at LucasFilms and the fans who preach about "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.", is that they do not realize they themselves will one day be old and will be seen as toxic and outdated by the generation that comes after them, especially those they are trying to win over. They're not passing on wise advice, it's nothing more than just hatred and bitterness.
The main reason that the Expanded Universe is a barrier to entry for the new Disney cannon, particularly the sequel trilogy, is that the EU told a story of post Endor Star Wars that many fans prefer to what Disney has given us. I prefer a storyline where the New Republic struggled in the beginning but grew strong and overcame its struggles. The Disney Cannon has the Empire decide to fade away and allow the New Republic to grow weak and then dominate it. Hmmm...when I say that, it makes the Empire sound pretty clever. Still, as much as I enjoyed The Mandalorian (even the third season), I can't help liking the somewhat disjointed EU to the Disney Canon.
Shadows of the Empire came out when I was 8 years old. While widely regarded as forgettable and silly-- it holds a place in my heart that Disney Star Wars cries itself to sleep at night wishing it could have.
Even the prequels, which were largely reviled when they came out (and have a somewhat better reputation now it seems), couldn't kill Star Wars, and the love people have for it. Only Disney's raping of Star Wars has brought it to the brink of death. And they did that by deliberately communicating to the older fans that "this new Star Wars is not for you."
This is the exact same thing that has happened to both the Classic Original versions of Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who years earlier! The so-called newer fans as well some channels and sites constantly pooh-pooh on the Classic Originals and more or less gatekeep and memory hole them - especially Galactica! 🙄🤔👎
I´m not familiar with any version of BG, but just because I can´t stand Suckhoff after she ruined Mando S3 and is obviously proud of it, that genderswapped version is definitely on my Never To Watch List now. Isn´t there a book source material for BG? That would be better than the Suckhoff S-J-W version and that old original version.
When Disney makes stories that are better than the EU, I might come around. Because I’m very familiar with the EU. And the lore and stories that are canon to me and millions of others prefer have characters I care about. Objectively speaking, the new canon and EU aren’t even in the same galaxy. And that will always be the case. No matter how many shills or trolls think the opposite. Disney SW just fucking sucks.
One problem with this premise. The disney stories are not good. Customers have spoken with their wallets. You can tell the author doesnt read. We dont throw out books we love. They want it forgotten so it can be stolen from. Its exactly what they are doing. There is no creativity in the house of the rat.
The funny thing about a lot of the people writing articles like this is that they tend to have the same energy as the "toxic fans" that they vilify, and they don't even realize it. Sometimes though, it feels like they take stances like this just to spite the "toxic, racist, misogynistic, man-baby trolls" in the fandom for talking down on the Star Wars content that they happen to like.
Articles like this is why I can't stand seeing such slander to the EU. Most of the time they always point at the same things on why the EU is bad, like the crying mountain from that Ewok show from the 80's, Crystal Star,and Skippy the Jedi droid, as well as a few other stuff that I may have forgotten about. While they completely ignore the plethora of amazing stories in it that in my opinion surpass the movies.
They claim we're better off without it. We are NOT better off without the Dark Lord Trilogy, the Darth Bane Trilogy, the KOTOR games, the X-wing novels, Young Jedi Knights, Jedi Apprentice, and far, far more I could name.
@@saberiandream316 So many good titles you named, for the EU's faults, there were so many amazing stories! The Darth Bane trilogy and the KOTOR games were so good. I still have my paperback set of the X-Wing series. All written by truly passionate Star Wars fans.
Find me anything in current canon that comes close to the quality of the original Thrawn Trilogy or Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron series, and I'll eat my shirt. Mozart isn't irrelevant just because someone once declared everything prior to Beethoven to be obsolete.
This is the type of article I associate with CBR. It's not the first time one of their so-called "writers" has attacked a franchises earlier work in favor of inferior more recent efforts.
“Let the past die” is one if the stupidest lines ever sincerely uttered. It lies in terrible and stark contrast to the notion of “those who don’t study history are destined to repeat it”. Generational learning is what makes any species, but particularly humans successful. The alternative is ignorance and arrogance.
Splinter of the mind’s eye, the Han Solo and Lando trilogies and over 100 issues of the original comic book (and the comic strips from that time) all still exist, and existed well before the 90s EU glut.
They actually are included as part of that same timeline as the '90s. Ann Crispin's Han Solo books, mention both of the Han/Lando early years trilogy events. Dark Forces novellas included Vuffi Raa. Lumiya of the Marvel stuff got included in the Legacy of the Force novels. The Wheel space station of Marvel comics actually appeared in the Republic Clone Wars era comics. I was amazed how well they interwove those old Marvel comics. (I even have some of the originals, plus some omnibuses. Still fun reads.)
The author of this article is the exact type of person I was talking about in my comment on the last video. They wrote this article in an attempt to irritate and antagonize the long-time fans of star wars they despise.
Well, based on other articles by that writer, I imagine that they also think that Marvel fans should let go of the Infinity Saga and love She-Hulk as much as they did. I'm kidding, but I guess the point is that there's just no accounting for taste. . . . unless you're that writer, who appears to think they've got that cornered too.
Cbr has only two sides: those who agree and support everything and anyone who disagrees because they are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, cisgender nazis
What a coincidence the talentless hacks hate the talented and creative "legends" authors and try to bury their work, so the normies and newbies would not notice how much better it is.
The EU wasn't perfect, as there were a few things that could have been fixed but most of the stories were pretty damn solid, and like you said, it was made with genuine love and devotion to the series, rather than how much can we rewrite and change, as well as how much money can be made from it. And to be honest, not all of the Disney canon is that bad. Some stories actually are good, but the EU is still a lot better overall.
There were bad individual stories that cropped up from time to time within the EU, and I didn't always love the overall direct it took, but never anything bad enough that it could ruin the entire thing. What Disney *should* to is reopen the EU/"Legends" to new content, and just have two separate versions of the Star Wars universe going. You know, exactly the same way the MCU never erased the Marvel Comics continuity (also Disney-owned properties). Of course, I know *why* Disney isn't doing that. They're afraid that Legends will be significantly more popular. And that the biggest name authors that do Star Wars novels will prefer to write Legends rather than "canon" books.
The EU was bloated and overwrought, but it was still superior to the Sequel Trilogy and much of the content Disney has churned out. And the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy provided both a great reintroduction to the Star Was universe and a solid foundation to build a continuation upon. The Sequel Trilogy was just awful in comparison. They should have at least kept the Thrawn trilogy in canon when making the Sequel Trilogy, and built it off that foundation instead of throwing it all out.
Despite how much a cultural significance Star Wars was, during the 90s, before the prequels, Star Wars was a niche thing. If you liked anything Star Wars, other than the movies, you were a nerd and no better than a Trekie. So these novels did not cater to a large audience, it had one audience and those were the Star Wars fans who never stopped loving Star Wars since 1977 or after. That's why they're better written than most novels in Canon, they knew they're audience and went wild with it. What's best is despite Lucas disliking some ideas (Jedi getting married) and characters (I heard he doesn't like Mara Jade) in Legends he went along with it because he knew fans loved those ideas or characters. I can't emphasize how much creative freedom Lucas gave to his writers, artist, and video game developers that nowadays is rare. If there's any advice that Disney and LucasFilm needs to take it's Kurt Vonnegut's seventh rule of writing a story. "Write to please just one person. If you open a window and make love to the world, so to speak, your story will get pneumonia." Your fanbase isn't the Tumblrites or Twitter who only cares about propaganda, it's the people who dream of wanting to live in a galaxy far, far away.
As long as people still buy books from the EU, or read stuff from the EU, enjoy it, it simply won't die and sure as hell isn't dead. I think there are several fans who take prefer the EU no matter what Disney said about it. Doesn't matter what you think about it, if they prefer it, you won't change it unless you create something that they like more. If you are unable to do that, there is nobody to blame but you. Because it is the customers decision what they prefer.
wild that this vid came out as im finishing the final chapters of my first audiobook listen of Thrawn: The Last Command….and it is some of the funnest most gripping Star Wars content ive ever consumed. I’ve listened to a lot of the new canon stuff but besides a couple of the Thrawn novels, Tarkin and Lords of the Sith nothing has really come close to this and *Plagueis*. Im late to these books but i dont regret the reads. I only regret not picking them up sooner. Note: Audiobooks all the way for that sweet immersion.
Hey Thor, I wanted to ask for your opinion on a feature song or album of songs for a star wars project whether its a standalone film, a trilogy or a tv show. Just like how the Hobbit had the misty mountains song and I see fire by Ed Sheeran. Other examples could be Into and Across the Spider Verse or even the first avengers film. Do you think Star wars could use this to try something new? Maybe they could explore what music is like in the galaxy far far away. We saw a glimps of that in fallen order when Cal is listening to and is seen playing a guitar. What do you think?
All hail the EU!! Those authors clearly showed their passion for Star Wars by their stories and the characters that we got introduced to. So many have become iconic in their own way. We hear the names of Thrawn, Mara Jade or Iceheart, right away we remember those stories and what they accomplished. And we wanted more. Most of those characters were interesting and dynamic, they felt truly alive which is a testament to the skill and passion of the authors. Today’s stories are meh at best and awful at worst.
There are other areas of the timeline that could use fleshing out. Look at the New Sith Wars. It is one of the most underexplored eras IN Star Wars Legends.
Ah yes, CBR article, a relatable and unbiased website that doesn't make stuff up, insulting fans, and shill for corporations. Oh yeah, The Old Republic mmo is still going and that is completely based in Expanded universe.
Whenever someone says stuff like "the expanded universe was full of contradictions and because of that it's a good thing that it was erased", I'm 99% sure that most of the people that say that sort of stuff have never actually read or consumed any expanded universe content and are just parroting what they've heard other people say. The real reason the expanded universe was discontinued has to do with money, like everything else in the world. There are many rumors and theories regarding the real reason why, but the one that makes the most sense to me is that it was because of character royalties. When the expanded universe was still around, Lucasfilm had a contract with all the expanded universe creators that they would be paid royalties for the stuff they had created, particularly any characters they made. After having just spent 4 billion dollars to buy Star Wars, Disney was not willing to then have to continue paying royalties on top of that (which is somewhat understandable from a business point of view), so they decanonzied the expanded universe. Why do you think it is that despite all the other stuff they have brought back into canon, like planets, locations, creatures, species, events, and eras, there have been almost no characters from the old expanded universe that have shown up in any actual stories? We've seen pretty much everything from the expanded universe brought back EXCEPT for characters. That's because characters fall under the old contract, and so if they were to appear, they would have to pay royalties to the original creators. We've gotten mostly off-handed mentions of of old characters in reference books, nothing of actual importance, because those aren't covered by the contract. The only reason we got Thrawn back is because Lucasfilm probably had to negotiate a whole new contract with Timothy Zahn in order to be able to use his characters again.
Once AI tech gets good enough, fans themselves will be able to make the true Star Wars sequels that we deserve and we can all forget Disney and Hollywood as a bad nightmare.
Wasn’t there a dude a few years back who wrote an EU novel back in the 90s that never got published, and then he just published it on Amazon and was like the #1 book on the platform for two or three weeks before Disney figured out a way to shut him down.
Literally happened to buy my kid the box set of the Thrawn trilogy, Timothy Zahn’s masterpiece, yesterday. The true sequel trilogy.
I will never accept that Star Wars Expanded universe is dead, cause it's a lie. Disney Star Wars is dead, but not expanded universe.
DSW isn’t dead either.
@@achaudhari101 maybe not dead, but i just don't want to accept new canon as one and only canon)
You could enjoy both.
@@achaudhari101 believe me i tried, and failed to do that, i really want to enjoy new canon, but i simply don't know how))))
@@Skywalker20239 Well that’s understandable because the main outline of the Disney canon is extremely mixed up. Plus just look at the toy sales for the sequel characters. It might as well be in the dumpster(actually I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of those toys were sent to the incinerator. Which is a waste). By looking at all the real world evidence you can tell that Disney Star Wars is slowly dying but the love for the original Star Wars is still alive. And the cherry on top was the galactic star cruiser which had little to no original Star Wars stuff(failed and shut down).
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
- The Philosophy of Disney's Star Wars
So ironic that Disney is lecturing us with that line, and yet, they couldn’t even do that themselves.
It’s completely hilarious how they were addicted to that line in the movie and yet they’re using past stories to make new ones. “Gasp” 😱 Disney is lying?! I am shocked 😆
They’re so petty, envious and jealous
The past will never die, not only if we remember it.
I always felt like that scene, and the scene with Yoda destroying the old texts, was a deliberate stab at the fans of the EU.
The original Star Wars EU will never die. It’s the true canon. The majority of fans have enjoyed that content for over a decade. It’s massive universe is a bit similar to Tolkien’s world(in size I mean). Each story you read(or play in a game) gets you hungry for more. Plus it showed more respect to the Skywalker family tree. Honestly I think it’s our job to keep the original stories alive and hand them down to the next generation.
I think that whichever timeline you prefer is a personal preference. I personally like Legends better but I don't think any less of any fans I do meet who prefer canon. Honestly, they're the lucky ones. I wish I could love TLJ and TROS, I just can't.
For me the EU died when Jacen killed Mara. He was my favorite new character and now I can’t even go back and read the Jedi academy books because knowing Jacen’s doom just sours everything.
Splinter of the minds eye isn’t canon
@@legoforbeginners6950 honestly I used to be cool with the sequels. I even had a crush on Rey(hey I think she’s pretty. Lol 😂). I didn’t like how they handled Luke Skywalker but I tried to be optimistic about it. However the more I analyzed the outline(and the fights) the more it really annoyed me. It was just too unorganized and confusing. I think that’s what happened to other Sequel fans over the years. That’s why you only see 1-5% approval for the sequel movies on these Star Wars polls(Community posts) in recent years
@@legoforbeginners6950 I would have to say my two breaking points was how they killed of the Skywalker bloodline and when Daisy Ridley admitted that there was no plan for her character (or villain) from the start. Everything was just up in the air. Star Wars theory was furious when he listened to Daisy Ridley’s interview about that and I completely understand.
Bold claim considering Disney has been more than happy to keep printing and selling EU books and just slapping the Legends banner on them.
And on top of that they outsell the High Republic stuff.
@@th33grimweaver yeah it’s really hard to find the legends comics these days in stores. I would’ve bought them but they’re kind of pricey.
Yeah, Disney gladly takes the money from them. While I understood the decision to “decanonize” the EU (even though it was was never truly considered canon), I never understood why they not allow stories to still be told in it. Let’s be honest, the people that consume books, comics, ect are usually big Star Wars fans, so most would know EU stories are not canon, so the claim it would confuse people does not make sense. They would make more money allowing it to continue but for some reason they seem to be denying that fact
Yep and yet Disney still have the utter cheek and ignorance, arrogance really to keep printing those books and not even may any of those original writers of those stories their due Royalties. I don't know about Disney in trouble with Florida over Reedy Creek stuff, Disney should be sued and taken to court by ALL these EU writers over not being paid their royalties, for something they created, and Disney are making money off of.
They screwed Dave Wolverton out of his royalties… and wrote an obituary piece celebrating the man on the day of his passing. Really shameless, if you ask me.
Yeah, sorry CBR, not gonna ignore the EU just because it doesn't worship the ground Rey Palpatine walks on. At least the EU respects all 6 movies and the characters within them.
At least Jedi Prince was ignored once the EU went into full swing. While their version of Jedi Prince is the official canon we must adhere to as time passes.
"The only way customers will enjoy the new content is if they know nothing about the content that came before it."
That sounds like something out of George Orwell's 1984.
My biggest problem is that no matter how good any of the new stuff is, it will always come at the cost of having it tied to the Disney films.
As far as I am concerned, its a poisoned well. Any good branch growing from a tree is meaningless if the tree itself is rotted. For Cal Kestis, we get Jake Skywalker. For Andor, we get Deadbeat Solo. And so it goes.
It grows out of contempt rather than the love present in the EU.
Exactly my thoughts. There is no way to appreciate this new Disney fanfic when everything ends with the sequels.
Yeah, and that issue actually does affect even the good stuff. One criticism I do have of the Respawn Jedi games is the fact that the stories are largely inconsequential to the greater galaxy. Yeah, Darth Vader shows up a few times, but by and large if the stories never occurred, the galaxy would remain the same. But that's not Respawn's fault, because Disney canon is such a goddamn mess that they can't make a story too consequential without potentially stepping on someone else's toes, so they just have their own corner of the galaxy to play with and be really good without significant ties to anything else.
Contrast that with The Force Unleashed, which is ultimately the story of the founding of the Rebel Alliance, even tying with other EU works such as the Purge Troopers being an early form of the Dark Trooper project or Garm Bel Ilbus from the Thrawn Trilogy showing up as one of the rebel leaders. They even managed to give Galen Marek retroactive legacy in films by having the Rebel symbol be his family crest. While a blatant retcon, it does mean he isn't a complete ghost in the later timeline unlike what Ahsoka often can feel like with the fact there's absolutely zero mention of her existence in either ROTS or the OT despite her massive importance.
But that just shows how much better the old Star Wars timeline was planned. Again, it was never perfect and there are always a few retcons here and there, but Disney's canon is messier now than the Star Wars EU ever was prior to The Clone Wars (and even then, The Clone Wars is now moved over to Disney canon, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not a part of Legends anymore).
Yeah you’re spot on. That’s what makes Luke Skywalkers heroic entrance in the Mandalorian a bit sad. All roads lead to the Big Lebowski in the Last Jedi. Actually the entire sequel trilogy makes every effort of the rebellion(original trilogy) kind of pointless if you think about it. The point of George Lucas‘s sequel trilogy is to rebuild everything and make it better than before(we didn’t see that in the 2019 film).
As long as the "tree" in question is Not rotted at its core, you can just cut off the rotted parts, and treat it.
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Yeah, the EU is so dead that they literally keep trying (poorly) to bring in storylines from it (Dark Empire, Darth Caedus -> Kylo Ren, Thrawn) rather than actually make “new Star Wars stories”.
Kyle Katarn has basically been split into multiple different characters in Disney Star Wars.
Finn got defecting former Stormtrooper Kyle.
Cassian got rebel mercenary who stole the Death Star plans Kyle.
Kanan Jarrus and Cal Kestis got "just a guy with a lightsaber" sorta morally edgier Jedi Kyle.
Hell, even that guy in the new Star Wars Outlaws trailer has Kyle's looks.
It's like the anti-Dragon Ball fusion. lol
@@gameragodzillaUgh please don’t remind me. Removing Kyle Katarn was a massive mistake in my opinion. Don’t misunderstand me I still think Cal is awesome character(Got a platinum trophy for both games) but Kyle is a little more cool. He’s like Han Solo with a light saber. It would’ve been really cool to see Kyle and Cal team up.
Everyone except Mara Jade. What the actual fuck do they have against her?? 😤
@@tookie1g The most badass female Jedi doesn’t get to exist because we get a Mary Sue to overwrite the character I’ve literally known and lived for 47 years.
Sure seems like a half-baked strategy from idiots trying to pretend they know everything. At this point, if Ahsoka sucks, I’m going to start rooting for failure. It’s the only way SW is ever going to make it back.
@@rawnchydeard4669 honestly I'm more pissed they destroyed Winter, Jaina, Jacen, Anikan Solo, and Tahiri... For "Ben"(Making Leia and Han worse parents and removing an Alderanian badass female character) and then trying to giving Tahiri's backstory to Boba Fett and somehow emasculating him with the story of a 9ish year old girl Jedi badass... It's like if Hasbro had taken Barbies movie and just made her the main character of "Battleship" while also making her and every female character in the movie less badass.
Completely unrelated fun fact: When the Library of Alexandria burned, it was already nearly empty from decades of low funding draining it's resources. The funding dried up largely due the barbarian incursions and the slow collapse of the Empire.
Would you like to get another completely unrelated fun fact!? Did you know, the train used in Indy 5, was borrowed from Paramount and tom cruise/wagner productions of his latest M.I.: Dead Reckoning movie. I guess *Lucasfilm* is good at borrowing other people's stuff.
Another completely unrelated fun fact. Pluto’s low mass causes it and it’s moon to spin around an axis that is not actually Pluto’s center of mass. This results in a path that is more like a dance between the two as they revolve around the sun
@@jonservo Beautiful
To *which* time are you referring? Ptolemy (the second, IIRC) began the process of having every ship in port searched for new works to be copied (Keeping the originals) and would continue that process until the library burned down the first time. Over the centuries, the damned 'hard drive' got wiped a few more times and started over. With my luck, they probably had all of the first-hand religious writings of the pagan Germanic tribes in one of those blazes, just so I can lament while reading altered Christian interpretations.
@@jonservo ooo! this was my fave of the three. 😎
It needs to be accepted that "let the past die, kill it if you have to" is the mantra and purposeful jab of the new Disney SW fan.
"The new Disney SW fan" - very accurate, in that there is only one.
@@pianoman9421 you might as well drop the "SW"... I'll agree that they are Disney fans, and I'll agree they like to masquerade as Star Wars fans, but I think there's a distinction to be made between a Disney fan who likes the Star Wars content Disney is producing... and a Star Wars fan, who generally doesn't. Which isn't to say Star Wars fans all hate the Disney Star Wars stuff, some of them seem to like Andor for some reason. But when you start talking to someone, it becomes pretty clear which they are, and that they're not in fact fans of the same thing. Star Wars fans are fans of Star Wars, and some of them still naively hope for good new Disney SW, and they settle for subpar material here and there cuz they're so thirsty for it, but they'd still be fans of Star Wars whether Disney existed or not, whether Disney owned the franchise or not. The Disney fans are ONLY into Star Wars because it's one of Disney's acquisitions and weapons in the culture war, and THOSE people want to use it THAT way.
@@draconianemanations2785 Well said, actually. Well said
@@pianoman9421 They are not fans, they are shippers.
I remember when they said that in that movie. That's when I knew that Disney would never do star wars justice. I haven't watched the third movie in that trilogy because of it.
Oh, the irony of them wanting to create something original and then they start their new movie canon with TFA.
Exactly
They have no creativity, it's just stealing from the EU.
They let the past die, and we all know what happens when people forget the past... They repeat it
And something which is consistent and doesn´t contradict the other stuff in their canon...than they made the sequels and Mando S3.
@@Mouse_Metal What does Mando S3 contradict?
The real question is... What Star Wars fan DOESN'T adhere to his/her own personal canon? At this point, to maintain sanity, "headcanon" has to happen.
I've been doing that ever since Attack of the Clones.
My head canon is personally the six Lucas movies, clone wars, fallen order and survivor, and Eu as the jedi and the republic did prosper after episode 6 in the EU, unlike in the sequels where it was burned down for resistance vs first order
You have to as much of the Disney SW contradicts itself and the original movies.
@@Jedishill680 Oh, wow, mine's pretty complicated. I include the first six films, the animated portion of the Holiday Special, Droids, Clone Wars (both of 'em), Rogue One, Andor, the first two seasons of Mandalorian, John Ostrander's Quinlan Vos and Clone Wars-era comics, Timothy Zahn's first trilogy, the Dark Empire trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, Force Unleashed, Republic Commando, Bounty Hunter, KOTOR, and a weird combo of Solo/Han Solo Trilogy/Han Solo Adventures... Heh.
Yep, I have my own headcanon. Pretty much the only Disney stuff in my headcanon is the pre-RotJ content. Everything else is EU.
The EU, warts and all, is superior to most of the Disney offerings. Yes Rogue One is good. Yes Rebels is good. Jedi Fallen Order is very good. Still The EU showed the main heroes striving and prospering. Luke became a leader, father and teacher when he rebuilt The Jedi. Leia and Han actually had a stable relationship that survived tragic events. There are memorable villains, like Thrawn, that Disney is now using because of their popularity. Then there's The Old Republic stuff, like Star Wars The Old Republic mmo and it's multitude of stories. Disney hasn't reached those levels of storytelling and it's blatant.
Yeah. There were still bad times and bad events, but it never felt like the victories the Rebellion scored were ever truly stripped from them.
@@DrakeBarrow Exactly, they accomplished things and prospered in life. That mattered to a lot of fans.
Rebels is shit and Dave Filoni is a hack.
SWTOR is the big one for me. I started it waaaaaaay back in 2011, and finally finished the final two stories I had to do (smuggler and trooper) in 2020. Without a shred of doubt, I can say that the stories in SWTOR blow anything Disney has created out of the water. I'm really hoping that they don't let those stories die, and if the game ever goes offline we get a single player rendition of the game so that we can keep experiencing those stories.
@@Leonfei I completely agree, the stories in SWTOR are sensational. The expansions are very good and the variety of character options is crazy.
I never regret my decision to read star wars books from expanded universe, it's been great, especially original Thrawn trilogy, and new jedi order books.
Have you read, 'Darth Plagueis'?
@@kenknowlton3085 “yes yes, for the 100th time we know about the legend” lol 😂. That was so hilarious when Darth Vader got annoyed in the Lego game
@@kenknowlton3085 well, no, i never was been interested in darth plagueis, sorry((
What’s funny is that my introduction to the expanded universe was the Jedi Knight video games. Outcast and Jedi academy. Then the Legacy comic books(which is close to the end of the Lucas arts timeline) got me even more hooked on the lore. I read every single one from start to finish and it’s fantastic. It got me to want to learn what happened in the past with Luke Skywalker. The legacy comic books even finished an old republic character’s story. Celeste Morne if I recall correctly. Really nice touch.
@@Skywalker20239 too bad. You're missing one of the best Star Wars EU novels there is; Thor Skywalker's opinion as well
Ya know...if I recall correctly, there was this guy named George Orwell who wrote a little book entitled 1984. That entire book was based on "let the past die". Big Brother tried to rewrite everything. Change all the meanings. Confuse people. Use conflicting "politically correct" speech. But hey. :-D X-D
It’s transparently obvious that Disney doesn’t want any comparison of originals with remakes. They want to bury the EU not because it’s unpopular but because it’s popular.
Absolutely, it's why they are sponging off classic EU titles, like Tales of the Jedi, New Jedi Order, Dawn of the Jedi, etc...
Exactly. They are a bunch of envious, malicious brats who are running around the beach kicking the sand castles other kids built because they can´t build anything that nice themselves.
You know they are in their last days when they are trying to bury even fanfics which go against their 4g3nda.
This is why people gatekeep.
Legends will never die.
Yes, it's not dead, but Lucasfilm is trying to ENGINEER it so that it dies, that it fades from public consciousness. It's why they keep recycling Legends titles for their shit (Tales of the Jedi, folks?) without even mentioning it, in the hopes what they do will supplant it.
Use the real name, our name, the EU instead of Disney’s disrespectful name.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Tbh Legends/legandary is great word for how good the prior EU was, such a self report.
@@StickNik Nah, if you use that term you’re just a Disney tool.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Good luck with that unwarranted friendly fire man
I take the bus from New Jersey into New York City once or twice a month. And I've recently started re-reading the "Admiral Thrawn Trilogy". And I'm really enjoying it. It's soo nice to read a Star Wars story written be someone who actually likes Star Wars.
I've noticed, especially after TLJ, that there is this small, modern audience that can't stand what came before Disney SW. They are the same type of people that scream for equality, yet go out of their way to destroy whatever came first to prop up what is current. That includes, characters, agenda, politics, etc. They write articles, or make videos that condemn, bash, and out right slander OT, or prequel movies/characters. They will label you if you criticize KK, or anything that's current Disney. It's crazy, because they're no better than the other side that constantly screams "woke", or nonsense like that. However, the more this current era of Disney reigns the more and more I see agenda importance over good storytelling. It's sad really. Because these type of people have power. Both sides of the extreme. Whereas people like myself, who reside in the middle, sit and watch all of it burn. Shitty part is that I don't want to watch Star Wars burn. I want it to be good. But that won't happen until we get this current "my politics first" regime out of Disney/Hollywood. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Fewer companies these days prioritize a good story over petty politics and it's sad.
I feel this is what the Western world has become. Two extremist sides screaming at each other and having meltdowns the moment anyone suggests they aren’t 100% correct, and all the reasonable people stuck in the middle watching everything get destroyed by them.
If the EU was dead they wouldn't have Marc Thompson narrating the EU X-Wing series at this moment and which is selling so well for them. I bought those audiobooks and LOVE them more than the High Republic (personal opinion). Bottom line; there's a lot of love for the EU out there STILL and DESPITE even some of Disney's new canon.
Still have my paperback set of the X-Wing series. That's great Marc is narrating them for audiobook, he's one of the best!
Mara Jade, Jacen and Jaina Solo, Revan, Corran Horn, Kyle Katarn the EU had many amazing characters
Remember when McDonalds used to make their biscuits from scratch in store every morning?
This article is the equivalent of saying look, that was the past, it’s time to move on and embrace the new biscuits that are made in a factory, full of chemicals and preservatives and actively make your health worse. Stop wishing for something better
It's ironic, the disaster that has been most of Disney SW has turned people more to the EU than earlier due to word of mouth of the EU being as great as it is.
I've only gotten into the EU recently and can say for sure, that the main storylines are vastly more superior than whatever the hell the new stuff is trying to tell.
I'd recommend Young Jedi Knights and Jedi Apprentice. They are criminally underrated because Disney does NOT reprint them.
@@saberiandream316 Those are my favorites! I think I have nearly every one.
thanks. I just finished the thrawn trilogy and was going to start with the x wing series. I'll keep that in mind@@saberiandream316
Same. Pissney pushed me away, so I started to collect the old books instead of their inferior glorified fanfic.
@@samuelross9884 I DO have every one, heheheh.
"I'll accept the Disney canon when you fixes this damn door!"
-Bully Maguire
One of my fave EU books is The courtship of Princess Leia. Which introduced many things that are still used today.
Fun fact : In order for the new characters to work Disney had to neuter, kill or destroy the old, original characters. The EU never had to do that. Instead of taking away it added, spun forward and continued. Mara Jade, the Twins, Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn and all the others worked with their stories running intertwined and combined with with the OT characters. That alone should tell wich is the „better“ canon.
I couldn't have said it better!
The anger and hate put into this ‘article’ is petty and unhealthy. If Disney really spoke through CBR in this article, this is also their envy and jealously. If this author acted on their own, then maybe they’re sick of it all and vented, it’s not impossible, though the former regarding the unhealthy hate and anger feels more likely.
Sounds like a Sith... Doesn't he?
@@MCsCreations Disney and Kennedy are more Sithy than anything, but I can’t bring myself to dismiss what you’re saying in any way shape or form. It’s honestly sad that it’s come to this. Petty, senseless hate is the true reason for the failures. The worst they could have done was put it aside or let somebody who was unbiased lead the charge. We got to where we are now because of contempt. Everything goes back to Kennedy and Iger because everything comes back to contempt, including the mismanagement of things and the false belief that something is wrong with Star Wars and that it needed to be fixed.
@teleportedbreadfor3days475 Oh, don't worry about Bobby and Kathy. They're already fighting each other and the media turned on them. They're absolutely going to pay even for what they didn't do.
Even if most of it is shit like the haters claim, people still like it. It's a market that's proven itself time and time again, but we're still deprived of new stories. I do think the heads of Lucasfilm are jealous that despite being a smaller crowd, that the Legends stories are still more beloved than anything they've made to those who do know it.
@@MCsCreations "only the Sith deals in absolutes."
It feels like some poeple that advocate for the old stuff to be forgotten/remade, have always wanted to be a fan of whatever franchise youre talking about but something was always holding them back, it being too old for them to enjoy or something involving the content of said franchise. But now with the new interrations, they are able to enjoy and insert themselves into the fandom, but instead the new is being rejected by a large portion of the existing fanbase so they feel the need to defend and validate the new because they don't want it to be like what it used to.
For decades cbr was one of the best websites in the comic book space. They collected links, commissioned articles on a lot of very nerdy and wonderful subjects, and provided a message board home for comic fans. Then, sometime in the last decade they got bought out and all the good aspects of cbr (With the single exception of the message board, which is, thank God, still there.) were gone. Overnight it became a clickbait farm, and over the years it's become worse and worse. This article was generated by one of their few remaining writers to trend on Twitter or be shared on Facebook. Being controversial and getting people to talk about it is the point. I doubt the author will even remember they wrote it six months from now.
So many websites have just... Gone to ruin. The internet has become such a horrible place, hasn't it?
In regard to news, the fundamental problem is that corporations like Google and Facebook get the advertising dollars. The people who refer and connect us to content get all the money, while the people who produce it get almost none. That's why so many news sites have become clickbait farms or put up paywalls.
There's no "The holiday special is dead, time to accept it" headlines because that would be silly. The only reason the article about the EU got written is because it *is* better (overall, if not in every instance necessarily) than the dreck from Disney.
Jamie Parker had made a very dangerous and dishonest conflation. In the sub title, Jamie says SW fans should embrace "new stories", this phrasing suggests that the SW fandom simply dislikes Disney SW because its "new".
But of course the real reason, as I'm sure we can all gander, is fans aren't against "new stories", they're opposed to bad stories. There's a difference between someone saying "oh nothing new is ever good" and making a calculated assessment on what a new SW project by Disney will be like.
What I mean is Disney has shown a clear pattern in their method of story telling, and because of how prevalent it is, fans are simply exhausted and have been conditioned to think that Disney won't change, because so far they really haven't. Fans embrace Legends, not because it's "older", but simply because those stories were well-written.
People got flack, and in some cases still do, for liking the prequels, which in the early 2000s was because it was "new", but those movies have aged well, again because they are good stories. The sequal trilogy, Mando season 3, Book of Boba and presumably the Acolyte aren't being seen as bad because they are new, but because they aren't good stories.
Legends, Clone Wars, Battlefront, Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor and the first 2 trilogies, showed what SW can and should be, Disney Era SW show us what happens when the "what if" is for all the wrong reasons
That's hilarious as fuck because nothing Disney has done is new, it's all derivative of better stories.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."
I’m casual SW fan and I think the EU/legends content should be and remain canon.
I don’t.
Same bro
You are not a casual. Ive seen you in every comment section. That being said i agree with you lol
You can’t keep it canon because George Lucas himself never considered it canon to begin with, Although they did help influence and shape the actual canon during the development of the prequels.
@jokester3076 you're joking
“The best part about Star Wars is that there is no good or evil.”
- Some guy who never watched the OT and PT.
😂😂😂😂😂😂. ARE YOU INSANE
Actually, there IS evil . . . apparently it was the Jedi all along. 😱
Guess Anakin slaughtering dozens of young children isn't considered evil. Or Darth Bane relishing in his enemies fear to strengthen his link to the dark side before slicing their heads off isn't evil either. These people are posers and are clueless, I swear.
@@nicolicarpathia318If you're talking about the part where Bane killed the children and the father in the first book, then also understand that Gillanthy poisoned him at that time and he needed the fear to strengthen his connection to the Dark Side to keep him alive longer. Not saying that you're wrong for calling him evil, but there was a reason.
The most absurd line I’ve ever seen. The entire story of Star Wars is about light vs dark. And even though some Jedi are considered to be “grey Jedi”, it doesn’t mean characters like Ahsoka are saving people one day and committing genocide the next. Grey Jedi are still 95% in the light. It just means they don’t follow the ridiculous strict code of the old Jedi order(like avoiding marriage and other attachments for example)
@@nicolicarpathia318 Or the Atrocities Palpatine committed How Many People Died because of him? (this goes back to Pre-TPM all the way to ROTJ)
It can basically be boiled down to "Hey, that thing you love is bad, you should stop liking it and like this thing I like instead." Yes, they're both in the same franchise, but even so, that's a pretty terrible argument and certainly isn't going to convince those who love that thing you don't love to like what you like.
Like, why can't we just be like "Hey, you like what you like, I like what I like, we don't all like the same things, and that's okay"? It's not that hard. More fans of more things should try that more often. Fighting about it is just tiresome, and hurts any fandom that kind of fighting is part of. Giving honest criticism and having discussions about what's good and bad about things like Disney Star Wars or the EU is great stuff, and should be encouraged within fandoms. But this fighting and trying to kill what you don't like or belittling people for liking parts of it that you don't is so stupid.
I could name many stories that we're worse off for now that they've been purged from the timeline. But we're somehow "better off" without the EU. Thanks for doing Lucasfilm's job for them, CBR! You're helping them to bury our stories!
I honestly believe that Disney Made this article considering how much they hate THE EU because even though it's been "Dead" for 10 years you still have countless people singing its praises while ignoring Jake Wars Disney ("Star Wars") "Canon"
It eats them up knowing that THE EU is still so unbelievably popular despite having next to nothing added to it outside the loved Star Wars The Old Republic MMORPG stuff
No matter how Good some of the stuff Disney has made is like
Rebels
Season 7 of the clone wars
Some Darth Vader comics
The Dr Aphra comics
Tales of the jedi (Show)
The bad batch
The Mando Season 1 and 2
I refuse to acknowledge it as a part of The Real Star Wars THE EU
It's obvious that they don't want you to experience the real thing, they want you consuming subpar stories.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
I like how you kinda summed up the whole thing at one point as "if new stuff were better than EU then there wouldn't even be the need for this article to be made" - I mean, yeah. When you think about it, what does it say about disney, if (according to the article) you need to cut yourself from EU, "accept that it's dead" to enjoy the new stuff?
Yeah, this just feels like damage control from Lucasfilm.
My favorite Expanded Universe content is Karen Traviss' Republic Commando series. I was sad when I found it, read it, then found out Disney ended the EU and Karen couldn't finish.
The first few seconds of the video is pure wisdom.
Consumer choice is a good thing.
That's why Disney hates it. I've always advocated for that sort of thinking. Let no one tell you what is canon. Just because it exists doesn't mean it has to be, even if you do enjoy it. Accept what you want, now what anyone else wants. Disney, Star Wars fans, heck even George. None of them can tell you what's your headcanon, because it's *your* headcanon. (I of course, respect George)
There have always been parts of the EU that I have preferred to ignore. There is a lot of the Disney-Canon I prefer to ignore, primarily the sequel trilogy, Solo and Kenobi. But I am happy to have Rebels, Rogue One, most of the Mandalorian and Andor as part of my personal EU. Yes, its cherrypicking, but why not?
I tend to do the same thing, i cherrypick certain shows from Disney canon, which mainly are parts of the Mandalorian, Rogue One, Rebels, Andor and Tales of the Jedi and they are part of the canon in my head while ignoring every other movie and show for various reasons and not really bothering to read any of the new canon books and comics, while still going back and reading a lot of the old EU stories. Hopefully i can say the same about Ahsoka when that series comes out.
I don't even include most of Disney canon as my headcanon. Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch. I enjoyed the Mandalorian, Kenobi (What's enjoyable of it) and Solo. I can enjoy something and still not include it as canon. Especially if it's something like Kenobi that complicates the timeline. Better to think of it as a what if.
“The last relics of the old republic have been swept away!” Disney proudly declares through CBR!
Will it lead to Pablo Hidalgo being atomised through the whole Yavin system? :D
(as K.J. Anderson would put it, if you know what I mean ;) )
I dunno bout CBR, Disney need "CPR" right now cause they're on the verge of completely kicking the bucket. their two major IPs Marvel & Star Wars sinking, all their latest releases especially in the live-action remake and Pixar departments have been losing them money. they had loads of layoffs, record low numbers of visitors to their parks. they've had to shut down one of their newest park attractions at Galaxy's Edge - the Galactic Starcruiser. Now they're facing the Hollywood strikes currently going on with the WGA and Actors Guild together (which is rather unprecedented). Now Disney have lost in court regarding the Florida State, statute and they already lost Reedy Creek lol. 😂😂
@@RaikenXion Yeah, I literally won't buy any Star Wars shit that is not Legends. It's what they need to keep my business, and many others.
“EU” Fans aren’t blinded by nostalgia, we fully recognize that it had its issues. That being said, those issues are light years less than the Disney made fan-verse ones.
Yeah, no EU fan I know defends The Crystal Star or Jedi Prince. But there's far less issues than this so-called "expert" makes it seem like.
The Star Wars EU is like a straight line which all Disney had to do is walk and profit from.
Instead they sent Star Wars back to the beginning and did a snake trail only crossing the original path when they wanted to.
*Modern Star Wars in a nutshell :* 🤔
🦍💨🎶💩... 😳🤧
*"NUFF SAID"™️*
Because the EU didn't support Kathleen Kennedy's hatred of men. The only way she could replace Luke with Rey Palpatine is for Luke to be humbled, degraded and killed off. #boycottdisney
I attended a Con last year and one kid had a small booth set up with a sign reading ... "The Disney Star Wars Sequels are the best of Star Wars, change my mind (*)".
And, as is usual, the asterisk caught my attention. So I asked why it was there and he added in "Well, only the new movies ... not the rest of the stuff". When I asked how much of the EU he'd read he said ... "None, it's got too many books and stuff.".
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Seriously? How can he claim that the Sequel Trilogy is "the best" when he's never experienced ALL of the rest?
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I'm in my 50s and I've been a Star Wars fan from day one! I have dozens of novels, reference books, graphic novels and all of the old comic-book series ... I've collected the toys, games, cards and tchotchkes for over 40 YEARS and this kid, who's watched 3 movies and maybe one cartoon series wants to tell me he knows more about Star Wars than I do?
If you can't name all of Han & Leia's kids, don't know who Mara Jade, Talon Karrde and Kip Durron are, or tell me the significance of the Yuuzhan Vong then keep your mouth SHUT! Yes, it's gate-keeping ... deal with it.
Go into a sports bar and proclaim yourself an expert on Football without knowing who Broadway Joe and Mean Joe Green are and see how well you're received.
We've put in the time, put in the effort and put in the imagination to EARN our stripes ... these "new fans" are shallow, ignorant and disrespectful and WE DON'T NEED THEM!
I hate when people refuse to explore the EU on the basis of its quantity. I've read many books and comics from the classic canon and I can tell you in all honesty that I've barely scratched the surface. It has had zero impact on my ability to enjoy the stories. I probably will never read every Star Wars story from the pre-Disney canon, and I'm fine with that. I'll keep finding material that interests me and revisit the ones that I love. It's a big universe. That's part of the fun of Star Wars.
Hope you went full Tim Bisley on him!
How old was this kid, by the way? I kind of suspect his opinion wasn't really his own and he was probably 'told' what he believes.
@@Tracer_Krieg I'd say he was mid-twenties, had a pod-cast and started to hint that he'd like me to show up but I kind of plastered him and the invitation never happened.
But yeah, I listened in on some other people and he's a Kathleen Kennedy parrot.
They really don't make it easy staying a DSW fan.
I'd sooner reread The Courtship of Princess Leia (which I thought was one of the worst books in the EU) than rewatch any of the sequel trilogy.
AGREED 👍🏿
Pretty sure that unless you count the Jedi Prince books (which I don't), Crystal Star was the worst book in the EU. I'm not going to say it's outright *better* than the sequel trilogy, but it has the advantage of being easily ignorable.
That was the thing about the EU. Even when a book did turn out to be a stinker, it didn't have anywhere near the impact that at bad *movie* has, and thus you could just ignore it easily and focus all your attention on the good stuff.
@@RedXlV I have read Crystal Star but cannot remember it at all, which I guess is an indicator of its quality. But yes, I agree about being able to ignore one of many books. Cannot do that as easily with the movies, though the sequels are at least last in the chronology so you can just stop before you get there.
Also if I were to say about what created the formation of the rebel alliance came from? It came from Galen Marek aka Starkiller. Apprentice of Darth Vader. And someone who wanted to root out the rebels and started to form the rebel alliance out of exposing traitors and decided to save the rebel alliance and with his sacrifice against Palpatine, he birthed the rebel alliance. And the lothal ghost crew joins the forming rebel alliance. And maybe the fact that Ezra brought Thrawn to the unknown regions is how the rebel alliance didn’t suffer defeat. Because Ezra teleported Thrawn to the unknown regions. And rex does join the battle of Endor
Reading the High Republic stuff made me sad. I didnt read much past the first book because, well, it was not good. The thing that makes Lucasfilms current projects not as well as past projects is that they truly believe I have to like what they put out now because of what George Lucas put out in the 70s and 80s. That thought process is flawed. They think you can throw anything out there and we have to like it. We don't.
They also think that if we don't like it, that justifies how they attack us, and call us names and blame us for their failures. We're "toxic" and "bigoted" or something, and that MUST be why we don't like it. 😕
I never even bought 'em, and now look at their sales. They're tanking, lol. Disney wants my money as a Star Wars reader, I'll only accept new Legends!
This article: “From my point of view the extended universe is evil!”
Thor: “Well then you are lost!”
Disney sure has no problem selling EU "Legends" content. Look, dont need Disney to enjoy Star Wars, there's decades worth of EU books, comics, and video games to enjoy. If you enjoy Disney Star Wars, good on you, but the original six movies, TCW, and the good EU content will always be my Star Wars (and my canon). I dont think Star Wars has a very bright future with Disney/Lucasfilm, they're a mess right now.
In response to that article, I only have this to say: if the stories that have come since Disney acquired the Star Wars franchise have failed to capture the hearts and minds of the fans the way the EU did, that is Disney's failure. The declaration that the EU is non-canon or dead or whatever does not change the quality of what they have produced.
Yeah, they only cater to short-term trend chasers. That is NOT enough to sustain an IP long-term.
Pure Disney shillery.
"What they are already doing is the best possible outcome! Whatever they do is genius."
I think they've nullified they're own opinions going forward. They're a purchased billboard.
Excuse me, I just watched the villanueve Dune, the Lynch Dune and the Jodorovsky documentary about trying to and almost making an awesome version.
It just reinforces that, if u are getting something from the source and then a corporation steps in, or if a long time just passes, that thing gets diluted.
The irony about those at LucasFilms and the fans who preach about "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.", is that they do not realize they themselves will one day be old and will be seen as toxic and outdated by the generation that comes after them, especially those they are trying to win over. They're not passing on wise advice, it's nothing more than just hatred and bitterness.
The main reason that the Expanded Universe is a barrier to entry for the new Disney cannon, particularly the sequel trilogy, is that the EU told a story of post Endor Star Wars that many fans prefer to what Disney has given us. I prefer a storyline where the New Republic struggled in the beginning but grew strong and overcame its struggles. The Disney Cannon has the Empire decide to fade away and allow the New Republic to grow weak and then dominate it. Hmmm...when I say that, it makes the Empire sound pretty clever. Still, as much as I enjoyed The Mandalorian (even the third season), I can't help liking the somewhat disjointed EU to the Disney Canon.
Shadows of the Empire came out when I was 8 years old. While widely regarded as forgettable and silly-- it holds a place in my heart that Disney Star Wars cries itself to sleep at night wishing it could have.
Not dumb, malicious. There's a difference.
With the intent to help Lucasfilm discredit the EU and the EU community as "not real fans."
Even the prequels, which were largely reviled when they came out (and have a somewhat better reputation now it seems), couldn't kill Star Wars, and the love people have for it. Only Disney's raping of Star Wars has brought it to the brink of death. And they did that by deliberately communicating to the older fans that "this new Star Wars is not for you."
This is the exact same thing that has happened to both the Classic Original versions of Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who years earlier! The so-called newer fans as well some channels and sites constantly pooh-pooh on the Classic Originals and more or less gatekeep and memory hole them - especially Galactica! 🙄🤔👎
I´m not familiar with any version of BG, but just because I can´t stand Suckhoff after she ruined Mando S3 and is obviously proud of it, that genderswapped version is definitely on my Never To Watch List now.
Isn´t there a book source material for BG? That would be better than the Suckhoff S-J-W version and that old original version.
*Luke wakes up in his jedi temple*
"Huh, what a crazy dream. Good thing its not real and never will be"
There. The sequel trilogy is dead
When Disney makes stories that are better than the EU, I might come around.
Because I’m very familiar with the EU. And the lore and stories that are canon to me and millions of others prefer have characters I care about.
Objectively speaking, the new canon and EU aren’t even in the same galaxy. And that will always be the case. No matter how many shills or trolls think the opposite.
Disney SW just fucking sucks.
One problem with this premise. The disney stories are not good.
Customers have spoken with their wallets. You can tell the author doesnt read.
We dont throw out books we love.
They want it forgotten so it can be stolen from. Its exactly what they are doing.
There is no creativity in the house of the rat.
The funny thing about a lot of the people writing articles like this is that they tend to have the same energy as the "toxic fans" that they vilify, and they don't even realize it.
Sometimes though, it feels like they take stances like this just to spite the "toxic, racist, misogynistic, man-baby trolls" in the fandom for talking down on the Star Wars content that they happen to like.
Articles like this is why I can't stand seeing such slander to the EU. Most of the time they always point at the same things on why the EU is bad, like the crying mountain from that Ewok show from the 80's, Crystal Star,and Skippy the Jedi droid, as well as a few other stuff that I may have forgotten about. While they completely ignore the plethora of amazing stories in it that in my opinion surpass the movies.
They claim we're better off without it. We are NOT better off without the Dark Lord Trilogy, the Darth Bane Trilogy, the KOTOR games, the X-wing novels, Young Jedi Knights, Jedi Apprentice, and far, far more I could name.
@@saberiandream316 So many good titles you named, for the EU's faults, there were so many amazing stories! The Darth Bane trilogy and the KOTOR games were so good. I still have my paperback set of the X-Wing series. All written by truly passionate Star Wars fans.
@@stevequincy388 Mm-hmm.
"The EU has inconsistencies so I hate it"
"So do the prequels. What's your point?"
The expanded universe is way better than the Canon universe disney is doing. The shills are wrong
“If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.”
Protect every book from the EU you have.
Disney Star War is temporary, but the EU is eternal.
I make sure to buy them without the banner.
The cancellation of the Expanded Universe still fill me with sadness and, yes, rage.
Find me anything in current canon that comes close to the quality of the original Thrawn Trilogy or Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron series, and I'll eat my shirt. Mozart isn't irrelevant just because someone once declared everything prior to Beethoven to be obsolete.
If the EU is so dead, why does Disney keep poaching ideas from it?
This is the type of article I associate with CBR. It's not the first time one of their so-called "writers" has attacked a franchises earlier work in favor of inferior more recent efforts.
“Let the past die” is one if the stupidest lines ever sincerely uttered. It lies in terrible and stark contrast to the notion of “those who don’t study history are destined to repeat it”. Generational learning is what makes any species, but particularly humans successful. The alternative is ignorance and arrogance.
I just realised after I wrote this, that my post seems snooty and stuck up. Not my intent.
Splinter of the mind’s eye, the Han Solo and Lando trilogies and over 100 issues of the original comic book (and the comic strips from that time) all still exist, and existed well before the 90s EU glut.
They actually are included as part of that same timeline as the '90s. Ann Crispin's Han Solo books, mention both of the Han/Lando early years trilogy events. Dark Forces novellas included Vuffi Raa. Lumiya of the Marvel stuff got included in the Legacy of the Force novels. The Wheel space station of Marvel comics actually appeared in the Republic Clone Wars era comics. I was amazed how well they interwove those old Marvel comics. (I even have some of the originals, plus some omnibuses. Still fun reads.)
The author of this article is the exact type of person I was talking about in my comment on the last video. They wrote this article in an attempt to irritate and antagonize the long-time fans of star wars they despise.
If the EU is dead, how come they are cherry picking certain characters and stories from the said EU.
It’s about as dumb as saying Michael Jackson’s music is dead. Just because no new pieces are put out doesn’t mean it no longer has value.
Well, based on other articles by that writer, I imagine that they also think that Marvel fans should let go of the Infinity Saga and love She-Hulk as much as they did. I'm kidding, but I guess the point is that there's just no accounting for taste. . . . unless you're that writer, who appears to think they've got that cornered too.
Cbr has only two sides: those who agree and support everything and anyone who disagrees because they are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, cisgender nazis
What a coincidence the talentless hacks hate the talented and creative "legends" authors and try to bury their work, so the normies and newbies would not notice how much better it is.
The EU wasn't perfect, as there were a few things that could have been fixed but most of the stories were pretty damn solid, and like you said, it was made with genuine love and devotion to the series, rather than how much can we rewrite and change, as well as how much money can be made from it. And to be honest, not all of the Disney canon is that bad. Some stories actually are good, but the EU is still a lot better overall.
There were bad individual stories that cropped up from time to time within the EU, and I didn't always love the overall direct it took, but never anything bad enough that it could ruin the entire thing.
What Disney *should* to is reopen the EU/"Legends" to new content, and just have two separate versions of the Star Wars universe going. You know, exactly the same way the MCU never erased the Marvel Comics continuity (also Disney-owned properties). Of course, I know *why* Disney isn't doing that. They're afraid that Legends will be significantly more popular. And that the biggest name authors that do Star Wars novels will prefer to write Legends rather than "canon" books.
I don't remember anyone calling me a bad person for disliking New Coke or Crystal Pepsi.
The EU was bloated and overwrought, but it was still superior to the Sequel Trilogy and much of the content Disney has churned out.
And the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy provided both a great reintroduction to the Star Was universe and a solid foundation to build a continuation upon. The Sequel Trilogy was just awful in comparison. They should have at least kept the Thrawn trilogy in canon when making the Sequel Trilogy, and built it off that foundation instead of throwing it all out.
I'm glad they didn't, I don't want them butchering these great stories.
Despite how much a cultural significance Star Wars was, during the 90s, before the prequels, Star Wars was a niche thing. If you liked anything Star Wars, other than the movies, you were a nerd and no better than a Trekie. So these novels did not cater to a large audience, it had one audience and those were the Star Wars fans who never stopped loving Star Wars since 1977 or after. That's why they're better written than most novels in Canon, they knew they're audience and went wild with it. What's best is despite Lucas disliking some ideas (Jedi getting married) and characters (I heard he doesn't like Mara Jade) in Legends he went along with it because he knew fans loved those ideas or characters. I can't emphasize how much creative freedom Lucas gave to his writers, artist, and video game developers that nowadays is rare.
If there's any advice that Disney and LucasFilm needs to take it's Kurt Vonnegut's seventh rule of writing a story. "Write to please just one person. If you open a window and make love to the world, so to speak, your story will get pneumonia." Your fanbase isn't the Tumblrites or Twitter who only cares about propaganda, it's the people who dream of wanting to live in a galaxy far, far away.
As long as people still buy books from the EU, or read stuff from the EU, enjoy it, it simply won't die and sure as hell isn't dead.
I think there are several fans who take prefer the EU no matter what Disney said about it.
Doesn't matter what you think about it, if they prefer it, you won't change it unless you create something that they like more. If you are unable to do that, there is nobody to blame but you. Because it is the customers decision what they prefer.
Expanded Universe is the true canon
wild that this vid came out as im finishing the final chapters of my first audiobook listen of Thrawn: The Last Command….and it is some of the funnest most gripping Star Wars content ive ever consumed. I’ve listened to a lot of the new canon stuff but besides a couple of the Thrawn novels, Tarkin and Lords of the Sith nothing has really come close to this and *Plagueis*. Im late to these books but i dont regret the reads. I only regret not picking them up sooner.
Note: Audiobooks all the way for that sweet immersion.
Yep, not all of the EU content is good, but the good stuff is REALLY good. There's enough EU content to last for decades.
Hey Thor, I wanted to ask for your opinion on a feature song or album of songs for a star wars project whether its a standalone film, a trilogy or a tv show. Just like how the Hobbit had the misty mountains song and I see fire by Ed Sheeran. Other examples could be Into and Across the Spider Verse or even the first avengers film. Do you think Star wars could use this to try something new? Maybe they could explore what music is like in the galaxy far far away. We saw a glimps of that in fallen order when Cal is listening to and is seen playing a guitar. What do you think?
All hail the EU!! Those authors clearly showed their passion for Star Wars by their stories and the characters that we got introduced to. So many have become iconic in their own way. We hear the names of Thrawn, Mara Jade or Iceheart, right away we remember those stories and what they accomplished. And we wanted more. Most of those characters were interesting and dynamic, they felt truly alive which is a testament to the skill and passion of the authors. Today’s stories are meh at best and awful at worst.
They're active insults to people who love this saga.
Funny, the OT action figures are still the best sellers today. The ST action figures don't sell for a reason. "Let the past die" such a bad statement.
I mean, SWTOR is actively still creating and adding story, lore and content to it so no, the EU is not dead, literally!
There are other areas of the timeline that could use fleshing out. Look at the New Sith Wars. It is one of the most underexplored eras IN Star Wars Legends.
Ah yes, CBR article, a relatable and unbiased website that doesn't make stuff up, insulting fans, and shill for corporations.
Oh yeah, The Old Republic mmo is still going and that is completely based in Expanded universe.
I find that article strange since they are releasing some of the old EU stories and releasing out bound flight to hype up the new show
And then Lucasfilm claims it'd be too "confusing" to continue Legends. Shows you how dumb they think we are...
Whenever someone says stuff like "the expanded universe was full of contradictions and because of that it's a good thing that it was erased", I'm 99% sure that most of the people that say that sort of stuff have never actually read or consumed any expanded universe content and are just parroting what they've heard other people say.
The real reason the expanded universe was discontinued has to do with money, like everything else in the world. There are many rumors and theories regarding the real reason why, but the one that makes the most sense to me is that it was because of character royalties. When the expanded universe was still around, Lucasfilm had a contract with all the expanded universe creators that they would be paid royalties for the stuff they had created, particularly any characters they made.
After having just spent 4 billion dollars to buy Star Wars, Disney was not willing to then have to continue paying royalties on top of that (which is somewhat understandable from a business point of view), so they decanonzied the expanded universe. Why do you think it is that despite all the other stuff they have brought back into canon, like planets, locations, creatures, species, events, and eras, there have been almost no characters from the old expanded universe that have shown up in any actual stories? We've seen pretty much everything from the expanded universe brought back EXCEPT for characters.
That's because characters fall under the old contract, and so if they were to appear, they would have to pay royalties to the original creators. We've gotten mostly off-handed mentions of of old characters in reference books, nothing of actual importance, because those aren't covered by the contract. The only reason we got Thrawn back is because Lucasfilm probably had to negotiate a whole new contract with Timothy Zahn in order to be able to use his characters again.
Yeah, it's royalties. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise.
Once AI tech gets good enough, fans themselves will be able to make the true Star Wars sequels that we deserve and we can all forget Disney and Hollywood as a bad nightmare.
We already have adaptations of the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire. I'm waiting for some of my truly favorite stories to come to life!
Wasn’t there a dude a few years back who wrote an EU novel back in the 90s that never got published, and then he just published it on Amazon and was like the #1 book on the platform for two or three weeks before Disney figured out a way to shut him down.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 A slightly exaggerated retelling, but yes. You're thinking of Heart of the Jedi.
Disney: Whats that? You want to give me money for old products you enjoy? Nah I'm too busy burning this pile of money
I don't call it the expanded universe. I call it Star Wars.
It was as valid as any movie George Lucas made until Disney got their hands on it.