Black Knights do have poise, the "posture" system you mention. It's just incredibly high. Balances out against Crucibles higher damage output and hp. @@RealMonkeyDKirby
I love that even in the original scaling the black knight is just like. ''I see you deal twice my damage and have 3 times my health, but have you considered being poise broken 5 times in a row.'' Love the black knight
@@nealang9520I do remember hearing somewhere that the way poise works is ER was altered so it applies slightly differently, where after a set amount of poise damage an enemy is automatically staggered. So could just be that the Great Sword Dark knight just keeps hitting that cap with almost every hit.
@@TheMarlz2 Yknow, if you stopped to read the comment, you'd see the joke and probably decide not to make this pointless reply that helps literally no one.
@@ZaaltheDragon black knights are just built different, gamewise they are designed to hit that hard its just how black knights are, lorewise they were originally silver knights but became charred from the war with izalith and the demons during gwyns time (very long time from ds1-ds3 events), thus the black knights are just especially strong after duking it out with demons
I used to farm the heck out of Black Knights and Silver Knights. I love fighting them I even went as far to run past a few of them just to fight 5 at once.
It's really interesting to watch. Black Knights actually feel like they're intended to fight NPCs while the Crucible Knights are clearly harder as a player. Pretty great fight.
Black knights were walking tanks in DS3. Seeing one obliterate a Crucible knight's defenses (and launching them in the air) without budging makes them even more terrifying.
Well the stats in this video is modified and ds3 are different because in that game doesn’t have feature of stance breaking on those, it’s mechanical thing
@@that_one_jacob8181 Wrong, they have, but they're just ridiculously strong. In a "comparison" the only truth and reality, is they're *better, stronger, and faster.* They're the original Darksouls, the one that brought it's cheap copy to exist today, there's nothing wrong or mechanical error there, they're just *strong.*
Black knights are scary bro. I still remember the day, i got launched off the tower from that one black knight with an ultra greatsword in the undead burg.
Watching the majestic Black Knight absolutely batter the first Crucible Knight was beautiful. Truly owning up to their lore as elite demon hunting vanguards and displaying the weight behind their attacks
Well, it's rather due to the fact that DS3 poise/stance/poise damage value standards are much higher than Elden Ring ones, since stance was not designed as core/important/consistent mechanic in DS3. But I suppose they don't change that on Boss vs Boss to make up for their smaller health bar.
@@luisalejandro3998 I think I misunderstood your statement. Because I interpreted that “ds3’s poise values are just higher than ER’s poise values” which is just not true. Proof: full Havel gives ~50 poise with no rings or otherwise poise boosting thingies Full bull goat gives ~ 100 poise without talismans or poise boosting thingies
Don’t forget Black Knights became demons themselves as they were originally Silver Knights, but got corrupted by the Chaos flame. Same thing happened to the Silver Knights of Eleum Loyce.
@CrescentCrusader99 They were burnt black from the flames. You can see this most clearly with the Black Knight Sword which shows hints of silver along the blade while the rest is burnt black. Strange that the other black knight weapons and armor look like they were made of black metal rather than burnt
I'd like to point out that lore wise, black knights wielded those giant swords to kill giant demons several times their size, so them launching crucibles in the air is very fitting
@@yulfine1688the weapons were made for anything big, giant demons or small. Crucible knights are elden rings black knights. But black knights were a massive army, so thousands and thousands of them existed wreaking havoc.
@@yulfine1688 Much heavier yes, but the Black Knights wiped out the dragons from the face of the Earth. Even granted to wield Gwyn's power and there are much more of them in numbers (Seen in the 1st cutscene of DS1). They are basically the normal soldiers of Gwyn while the Crucible Knights are only deployed on special areas to protect something important
At 1:02 you can notice Ordovis lifting his head, only to see fifty kilograms of the finest Lordran steel flying to his face. And while he flies back like a ragdoll, he is probably thinking that he should've chosen a different profession.
He then proceeded to get angry,attempt to stomp out the black Knight in rage. Another fling and Ordovis decides, "Fine,I'll show you my real power" Creates a beautiful lustrous set of wings of light and lifts up into the air,gliding over the mighty Black Knight. Who is unfazed. Stoic
I love how the original scaling is actually somewhat of a balanced fight, the overwhelming power of the crucible knight vs the unrelenting assult of the black knight
@Halopen94 once again, yes the black knight hits a lot and staggers the crucible knight for most of the fight, but the crucible knight still outclassed the black knight in raw damage
This might be a hot take, but I honestly felt they were harder in ds3 than in ds1. They were a lot easier to sidestep and backstab in 1 and weren't half as relentless, they were also easier to stagger if you had something like the zweihander
So cinematic: the burger flip into shield punch. Like that old slapstick gag of punching an opponent as hard as you can and then knocking them down with a breath.
@@wallacecollins8411 Straight up looked like he nut punched him, the fact it came right after the Crucible Knight finally knocked him on his ass made it all the better, just filthy fighting.
@@ZeroFanfare I still believe the mace drakekeeper in ds2 has infinite stamina, or might as well be infinite anyway. I literally saw it doing 9-10 hit combos. Edit: Scratch that, i just looked up a video and he did a 23-hit combo. Dude definitely grew up on green blossom diet
That was ... unexpected. Despite having far less HP, the black knight had a faster move set, and was able to keep breaking the crucible knight's stance - thereby interrupting it's attacks.
"All this talk of Primordial Crucibles, blessings of gold and braying about a solemn duty; you wasted all that air talking, and where has it gotten you?" (uppercuts)
It's also worth noting in lore the DS Black Knights weapons were designed to fight giant demons, so they're inately made to break poise, or posture easily so they can combat the large foes.
@@kiro253they are made in the same engine so it’s practically a 1-1 convert over, if you go back and look at the “black knights vs X” boss videos they did that amount of pose damage back in dks3 too
not just demons but anything bigger than them considering these sre the same guys that as well fought with the lords against the everlasting dragons and said dragons are massive. One example of this dragon can be seen in archdragon peak dead and hugging a mountain.
and also the black knigts were made out of circumstances, not really intended to as gwyn by then left and anyone is doing there own thing. Like the witches creating demons and many more. There are actually two groups of black Knights. One is burned in the demon war and the other followed gwyn and burned in the first flame.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 Black knights were basically elite silver knights, Gwyn sent some of his best to fight the demons and they became charred. Gywn took what was left to guard the kiln of the first flame and they were charred too. They apparently get charred often.
@@ElisOdin Indeed - But that is allways the case if he do something like "DS3 Boss vs. Elden Ring Bosses" - Even if they be similar games - pose wise they are totally differend.
@@denis9582 The damage is the same, but the poise is not? The bosses in both games are so hard to debuff and they generally do the same damage and debuff. It's a programming mismatch.
The amount of well timed blocks from both black knights is actually incredible, even when fighting NPCs. That black knight UGS was usually my top priority when it came to farming that category, the amount of power you had at your fingertips was bliss. Fighting NPCs or other players, just raw damage.
@@gr33dl0cknein3 Elden ring doesn't technically input read but they did overtune their reading a bit too much (they're technically responding to player animations but it triggers FAST, like first few frames of an animation)
This is probably the most cathartic thing I’ve ever seen. I didn’t know I needed to see a Crucible Knight get poise broken so much but, now I have. And damn does it feel GREAT
@user-ev9gk4vp8x maybe you should try rewatching the video because the black knight wins the first round but with only a quarter of health left the crucible knight then goes on to win the next THREE rounds but again with very little health. on the 4th round the black knight comes out on top but with only a sliver left. Yes these monsters are both very equal in power. You only think the black knight is stronger just because it does big poise damage.
@@DonJoe1 I feel the first fight is the definitive answer. They're mostly equal but the main problem is at regular stats and equal stats the Ultra-greatsword Black Knight specifically poise breaks Crucible Knight Ordovis at every turn. The Crucible Knights also have magic attacks that damage through the Black Knights shield and they do more raw damage per hit. However you can't deny the sheer determination of the Black Knight grants him an edge over The Crucible Knight. The Crucible Knights seem to dominate when the Black Knights aren't using Ultra Great weapons.
TRUE, but Im pretty sure the only reason he got finished by that was due to the counter attack mechanic making the crucible knights wing slide do 30% more damage because black knights attack had just barely missed. Was actually way more close/clutch than people realize.
It's pretty fun to watch when there's actually a sort of balance: Crucible knights hit like a bus and can take more damage, have a much more varied move set and tools at their disposal, but the Black Knight refuses to be knocked down or slapped out of his animation and just keeps. On. Counterattacking. So determined. The Crucible Knight's damage output and the Black Knight's poise make them surprisingly even matches for each other despite their many differences.
Well, that's mostly to do with the Black Knights not really having a poise value, back in the day. You'd ALWAYS kill them LOOOOOONG before you could break their stance. Which is a design philosophy that was pretty limiting and unimaginative. Thankfully, they've changed that, but this is a good way to see how it used to be.
@@kiro253 Last I checked, you can't actually poise break them. You can stagger them, but yeah, that's a rarity. You will NEVER get a riposte out of smacking the shit out of Dark Souls enemies, though.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleyou're mixing up stance and poise. That "stagger" IS the poise break. For most enemies in DS3, poise breaking resulted in a flinch of some kind, meanwhile in ER, you have poise AND stance. You can actually poise break an enemy in ER sometimes multiple times before their stance breaks. Now it's also true that many DS3 bosses had a "stance break" like effect whenever you dealt enough poise damage, but it's an ultimately different system than ER.
@@kiro253 Its because the modder left number from one game and put it into another one. Look at more of his videos, all DS3 bosses and minibosses stancebreak after a single hit because of how DS3 stored poisebreak numbers
It was beautiful. I laughed so hard because it felt like the Black Knight got so pissed off he just punched the Crucible Knight in the face and yeeted him off the map.
It kinda makes sense from a lore perspective. I think the actual flesh got disintegrated in their armor for Gwyn and now it’s just suits of armor inhabited by the knights spirits, and I would imagine the spirits don’t have stamina
@@moncreebrown948Especially after fighting that first one in that upside down city, only to find another one across the bridge. Almost broke my controller lmao
Okay. Being so strong you can flip a crucible knight is badass enough. But the sheer disrespect up punching them into the next century with a shield is giving me a feeling of pure joy. And I want it as an ash of war.
- Crucible knights: fool, my poise is unbreakable - Black knight: buddy, fighting giant demons and dragons is my daily job... I can't ever recall to have broken Crucible knight's stance even once. Watching these guys making them fly looks otherworldy...
The Black Knights are so plucky even in original scaling, it's insane; way behind in damage and health but still making every match close win-or-lose o:
For real. They're just fucking UNITS with how powerful they are. Definitely wanna see Banished Knights or Lordsworn vs either Silver Knights or Lothric Knights. and
This makes me want a Soulsborne fighting game, kinda like Smash Bros but instead you can pick characters from all of the different Fromsoft games and fight at lore significant locations from each game. Seeing Elden Ring's Fire Giant square off against Yhorm in the middle of Yharnam would be amazing.
I just imagine that each time you die it plays a special animation where a new watcher kills the one you were playing as and then you assume control of the new one, and their ultimate is a whole bunch of them coming on screen at once and doing a massive combo on someone.@@LunarBloodRose27
I'd say this was a very balanced and even match. The Crucible Knights have their immense damage and utility of crucible shenanigans matched by the Black Knights' consistent attacks and big boi poise.
@@Smitywerban The problem is the lack of stagger to stop any attack, if you look there is moments where the crucible hits with a shield bash and it does literally nothing.
It's wild how it takes a set of named crucible knights to match up to a pair of random black knights from ds3. Really goes to show how incredibly strong they were.
@@Stone_Orchidsas per the armor description in DS1: "Armor of the Black Knights who haunt Lordran. The knights followed Lord Gwyn when he departed to link the Fire but they were burned to ashes in the newly kindled flame, wandering the world as disembodied spirits ever after." If they were constructs, burning to ash would mean that they wouldnt even exist anymore. And given that they are stated to be disembodied spirits, they cant be a construct. They were once living things, and are now a form of undead. Just not the same type of undead as the player. As for the Silver Knights, they have minds of their own that proves they are not simple constructs; Leo couldnt use the Silver Knight Straight Sword nor spear, and chose a hammer instead, going against everything the other knights did - and if you know anything about militaristic forces, uniformity is important. That, and he was willing to leave to find Havel. Difference is that Silver Knights likely still have their bodies underneath, and are likely the undead we're used to seeing rather than disembodied spirits. They arent constructs.
@@secretminty6398I don't think they are undead since Gwyn knights were from the "god" race, thus lacking the dark soul. The humans that fought alonside Gwyn, like the slave knights, were forgotten or confined in the ringed city. The Silver knights, being Gwyn's fellows, got the privilege of guarding Anor Londo instead, and most likely they were all part of the nobility and revered by humans as gods. Like all "gods" they were immune to natural death but they lacked the dark soul fragment, so they couldn't get affected by the undead curse.
This really shows you how different DS and ER were in terms of enemy brutality and also how much FromSoft did their best to make the franchise feel fresh. We spent 3 games of DS enemies that attacked fluidly and straightforward . One Swing right after the next until combo finished. The Black Knights were tough bc of how quick and hard their combos were. Elden Ring played on that familiarity and gave us enemies with delayed attacks and really weird timing on attacks regardless of how telegraphed they were. Also letting us stun lock enemies was a major plus which is why the crucible knights are getting creamed.
DS enemy AI gets incredibly aggressive if you have a lot of souls on you, if youve ever farmed a drakeblood greatsword or staff of mendicus, that area is a good farm and the summoned drakeblood sword enemy can be pretty deceptive
@@Ciffer-1998 not sure! Archdragon peak has a bonfire just past nameless king, it’s an area with a lot of those humanoid things that spit fire, and some of the really tall ones too, i cant remember their name. It’s on the way to fight Havel. I tested it on them as well -wanted to see if i could farm the chained greataxe that they throw at you- seems to be the same for Havel too and the fireball guys. Im not sure if its because it’s an area you access later in the game or what
Well...they did pick a knight that was literally notorious at destroying enemy poise even back in dark souls... Heck that is literally their weapon specialty...breaking poise
Nothing has made me wanna get in a big suit of armor and fight another man (or anyone really) to death with giant weapons more than this video, except maybe that one ESO trailer. the exchanges here sometimes look like the stuff you would see in cutscenes of legendary duels
About 40-50 poise damage per attack. About on par with Nameless King's poise shredding. None of them compare to Midir, the champion of Poise shredding.
I just beat DS3 for my first time, the black knights were the only enemy I'd "nope". I even fought the Ancient Dragon without plunge attacking because of how cocky i was.
What I notice right away is that the black knight blocks way more often than the crucible knights. The crucible knights seems to be all offense, just cramming out spells and combos as fast as possible. Many of their biggest hits only get in chip damage because the black knight raises its shield the second they start an attack animation
I’m enjoying the Lordran invasion videos popping up lately it’s nice to be able to even see these old enemies in the newer games and seeing how they stack up.
Watching this video just makes me wanna do another DS3 run with the black knight ultra greatsword only after seeing how many times the black knight staggered the crucible knights
A great way to solidify the ptsd that was my first souls game. I don't think i killed a single black knight the entire playthrough of ds3. Ran like hell every time
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Crucible Knight: I can fly.
Black Knight: You will fly.
The first is a boast, the second is a threat.
2:49
@@user-xj6cr2ho8h the second is not a threat, it's a damn promise fellow undead/tarnished
Gandalf nods
" The Black Knights constantly faced foes larger than themselves, and this sword's unique attack greatly reduces enemy poise. "
Oh shit. That actually makes a lot of sense lorewise for this video
the thrust accack in fact look like the giant hunt ash of war
Still not fait that only the crucible has a posture system
Thank u for this comment.
Black Knights do have poise, the "posture" system you mention. It's just incredibly high. Balances out against Crucibles higher damage output and hp. @@RealMonkeyDKirby
I love that even in the original scaling the black knight is just like. ''I see you deal twice my damage and have 3 times my health, but have you considered being poise broken 5 times in a row.'' Love the black knight
Honestly surprised the Crucible Knights got their poise broken that much
I swear they must've been patched last time I fought them.
@@nealang9520they have crazy poise in game black Knights had to overcome actual poise granted by armor in DS1
Flips crucible knight like a pancake
@@nealang9520I do remember hearing somewhere that the way poise works is ER was altered so it applies slightly differently, where after a set amount of poise damage an enemy is automatically staggered. So could just be that the Great Sword Dark knight just keeps hitting that cap with almost every hit.
"Oh you have DRAGON powers? My old boss has a lot to say about dragons."
Crucible knights are connected to.. the crucible.. not dragons.
🤣
F-ing if not for Seath’s treacherous a$$ LOL
@@TheMarlz2ah yeah, that’s true
…well still pretty funny
But that’s true
@@TheMarlz2its theorized that the crucible and the dragons are connected, scales wings & tails and all that
@@TheMarlz2 Yknow, if you stopped to read the comment, you'd see the joke and probably decide not to make this pointless reply that helps literally no one.
Seeing a Crucible Knight getting slapped around is an odd feeling
I call it justice
You call it hilarious, I call that revenge
It's only cause the Crucible Knights don't have unbreakable poise like the Black Knights do.
Git gud 😢
@@ZaaltheDragon black knights are just built different, gamewise they are designed to hit that hard its just how black knights are, lorewise they were originally silver knights but became charred from the war with izalith and the demons during gwyns time (very long time from ds1-ds3 events), thus the black knights are just especially strong after duking it out with demons
Seeing the black knight casually lift up a Crucible is insane
Burger Flip for life! 😂😂
They were born to fight demons 2 times bigger than them so it makes sense
Yeah these fights were incredible! Never seen a Crucible Knight so brutally attacked! The pan cakes the flips! Awesome showcase!
@@SaxSlaveGael oh hey, it's you! :0
Cloud Strife has nothing on the physical strength of a Black Knight lol
(People are going to hate me for that one... ;^^)
Veteran players of old souls series watching this would be like
𝗛𝗼𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝗵𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗲 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁?
Yes, we were lol
Black knights smack
I used to farm the heck out of Black Knights and Silver Knights. I love fighting them I even went as far to run past a few of them just to fight 5 at once.
@@Ayixlianow thats truly something!
Exactly
*"Brother, let me show you how we did it in Lordran."*
Crucible knight: why won't you die?!
Black knight: poise,son
"Poise, son! It works as intended!"
"You can't stagger me, Siluria."
Well, they're just ridiculously strong and faster :O
I mean, when you fight Giant Demons for life ðat hit like a skyscraper, you're bound to hit just as hard. @@romulocarneiro3310
Except they won 3 out of the four fights with original scaling lmfao. Black Knights don’t have the health to deal with them normally.
Crucible Knights partaking in the Black Knight space program is something I never knew I wanted to see so badly 😂
I'm laughing off my ass here, thanks for that!
@@Dark.Shingo "space program" killed me hahaha
1:53
Ehhh im more interested in the excavation team puttin in work
It's really interesting to watch. Black Knights actually feel like they're intended to fight NPCs while the Crucible Knights are clearly harder as a player. Pretty great fight.
the origional intent of the black knights in DS1 was for them to wonder around the world. so them intending to fight npcs can make sense.
They do fight some other enemies in the smouldering lake in Dark Souls 3 I think.
Yep. That’s how I would always get FUGS - lure the FUGS NPC over and have the black Knight take him out lol
@@dustrockblues7567 They do in the Demon ruins in smoldering lake, but thats a one off.
CK: "behold the divine power of the crucible!"
BK: *big sword go bonk*
Black knights were walking tanks in DS3.
Seeing one obliterate a Crucible knight's defenses (and launching them in the air) without budging makes them even more terrifying.
Well the stats in this video is modified and ds3 are different because in that game doesn’t have feature of stance breaking on those, it’s mechanical thing
*on the ds3 dark knight
@@that_one_jacob8181 Wrong, they have, but they're just ridiculously strong.
In a "comparison" the only truth and reality, is they're *better, stronger, and faster.*
They're the original Darksouls, the one that brought it's cheap copy to exist today, there's nothing wrong or mechanical error there, they're just *strong.*
Black knights are scary bro. I still remember the day, i got launched off the tower from that one black knight with an ultra greatsword in the undead burg.
Black Knight be like:”Poise? Never heard of it.“
Black Knight: What is your pace?
Crucible Knight: My pace is actually...
Black Knight: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PACE IS!!
Black knight: ARGHHH INFINITE STAMINAAAAAA
Black knight: AHAHAHAHAH YOU GOT THAT SHIELD RIGHT? GO ON, STOP ME STOOOOPPPP MMMEEEEEEE
The main reason why most shields were useless in DS3.
5:52 That combo though 😮💨
Loved that, the BK was like FFFF UUUUU 😂
You can tell the Black Knight saw the horns and tails on the Crucible Knights, had flashbacks to the demon crusades, and got PISSED
Watching the majestic Black Knight absolutely batter the first Crucible Knight was beautiful. Truly owning up to their lore as elite demon hunting vanguards and displaying the weight behind their attacks
Well, it's rather due to the fact that DS3 poise/stance/poise damage value standards are much higher than Elden Ring ones, since stance was not designed as core/important/consistent mechanic in DS3. But I suppose they don't change that on Boss vs Boss to make up for their smaller health bar.
@@luisalejandro3998 I think I misunderstood your statement. Because I interpreted that “ds3’s poise values are just higher than ER’s poise values” which is just not true. Proof: full Havel gives ~50 poise with no rings or otherwise poise boosting thingies
Full bull goat gives ~ 100 poise without talismans or poise boosting thingies
@@burrito721 He meant enemies.
Don’t forget Black Knights became demons themselves as they were originally Silver Knights, but got corrupted by the Chaos flame. Same thing happened to the Silver Knights of Eleum Loyce.
@CrescentCrusader99 They were burnt black from the flames. You can see this most clearly with the Black Knight Sword which shows hints of silver along the blade while the rest is burnt black. Strange that the other black knight weapons and armor look like they were made of black metal rather than burnt
I'd like to point out that lore wise, black knights wielded those giant swords to kill giant demons several times their size, so them launching crucibles in the air is very fitting
Crucible knights litterally fought giants etc... also their armor is much heavier but because of the stance system it doesn't matter.
@@yulfine1688the weapons were made for anything big, giant demons or small. Crucible knights are elden rings black knights. But black knights were a massive army, so thousands and thousands of them existed wreaking havoc.
@@SpliffyHuskcrucible knights are bitches
@@yulfine1688 Much heavier yes, but the Black Knights wiped out the dragons from the face of the Earth. Even granted to wield Gwyn's power and there are much more of them in numbers (Seen in the 1st cutscene of DS1). They are basically the normal soldiers of Gwyn while the Crucible Knights are only deployed on special areas to protect something important
That shield poke at 1:52 for that stagger was amazing
what is the name of this shield?
Uhm.... Black knight shield
@1:51 BRUH, THE DISRESPECT IN THAT EXECUTION💀
CN: "HERE COMES MY -- !"
BN: "shut the f*** up and get the f*** out."
@@SC-zq6cu FAX
He done did the “up up and away”
true
At 1:02 you can notice Ordovis lifting his head, only to see fifty kilograms of the finest Lordran steel flying to his face. And while he flies back like a ragdoll, he is probably thinking that he should've chosen a different profession.
He then proceeded to get angry,attempt to stomp out the black Knight in rage.
Another fling and Ordovis decides,
"Fine,I'll show you my real power"
Creates a beautiful lustrous set of wings of light and lifts up into the air,gliding over the mighty Black Knight.
Who is unfazed.
Stoic
I love how that first sentence is written lmao
😂😂😂
From the scale of the sword alone it looks more like 100 to 150kg, ngl. Black Knights are just radiating badass energy and I absolutly love them.
Well that was an appropriate occasion to reconsider life choices
I love how the original scaling is actually somewhat of a balanced fight, the overwhelming power of the crucible knight vs the unrelenting assult of the black knight
Overwhelming? He was getting ragdolled the entire fight lol
@Halopen94 and when he does get a hit in it deals more damage
@@whitewolf8780 just saying that "overwhelming" might be the wrong word in this context
@Halopen94 once again, yes the black knight hits a lot and staggers the crucible knight for most of the fight, but the crucible knight still outclassed the black knight in raw damage
I feel like the old dark souls had way to much poise break dmg
We ALL remember the first time we fought the black knight in the undead burg in dark souls 1. Ah good times.
Yup, even while wearing full Havels set, I remember it was still sent flying with just one swing of that greatsword (single handed too).
This might be a hot take, but I honestly felt they were harder in ds3 than in ds1. They were a lot easier to sidestep and backstab in 1 and weren't half as relentless, they were also easier to stagger if you had something like the zweihander
1:54 classic burger flip. Killed me a million times, not surprised the same thing happened to the Crucible Knight.
That shield punch on the first fight at the end was MAD disrespectful 😂😂😂
So cinematic: the burger flip into shield punch. Like that old slapstick gag of punching an opponent as hard as you can and then knocking them down with a breath.
“Nah, you thought-“
That one was sooo petty. That's some DS3 PVP disrespect.
And then, bro went flying right after.. this is lit.
But of course, doing this to a Black Knight is also priceless.
@@wallacecollins8411 Straight up looked like he nut punched him, the fact it came right after the Crucible Knight finally knocked him on his ass made it all the better, just filthy fighting.
Black Knights just have that infinity stamina strat.
100% agreed
He definitely ate like, a stack of green blossoms
We all rolled in panic infinitely because of their endless attacks, just once. And also because they cover a lot of reach and do insane damage.
@@ZeroFanfare I still believe the mace drakekeeper in ds2 has infinite stamina, or might as well be infinite anyway. I literally saw it doing 9-10 hit combos.
Edit: Scratch that, i just looked up a video and he did a 23-hit combo. Dude definitely grew up on green blossom diet
Implying that elden ring enemies have limited stamina 🤦♂️
That was ... unexpected. Despite having far less HP, the black knight had a faster move set, and was able to keep breaking the crucible knight's stance - thereby interrupting it's attacks.
When I first encountered him in Ds3 I thought he was a boss but hiding HP bar
@@kuro8151 the one in the swamp I'm sure has killed more players than many bosses
"All this talk of Primordial Crucibles, blessings of gold and braying about a solemn duty; you wasted all that air talking, and where has it gotten you?" (uppercuts)
The Black Knights actually know how and when to utilize their shields too.
That will teach the Crucible Knights that delaying every single attack ain't that smart
Brings me back to my first Black Knight encounter in DS1. Good times.
It's also worth noting in lore the DS Black Knights weapons were designed to fight giant demons, so they're inately made to break poise, or posture easily so they can combat the large foes.
I dont know if that effect carries over to the elden ring tho...i remember BK was ridiculous at destroying bosses poise back than
@@kiro253they are made in the same engine so it’s practically a 1-1 convert over, if you go back and look at the “black knights vs X” boss videos they did that amount of pose damage back in dks3 too
not just demons but anything bigger than them considering these sre the same guys that as well fought with the lords against the everlasting dragons and said dragons are massive. One example of this dragon can be seen in archdragon peak dead and hugging a mountain.
and also the black knigts were made out of circumstances, not really intended to as gwyn by then left and anyone is doing there own thing. Like the witches creating demons and many more. There are actually two groups of black Knights. One is burned in the demon war and the other followed gwyn and burned in the first flame.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 Black knights were basically elite silver knights, Gwyn sent some of his best to fight the demons and they became charred.
Gywn took what was left to guard the kiln of the first flame and they were charred too.
They apparently get charred often.
Its crazy how much poise break dark souls bosses have
That's no boss bro - just a normal enemy :)
Its completely broken
That's with all the DS3 characters. It seems more like a fault or mismatch than anything else.
@@ElisOdin Indeed - But that is allways the case if he do something like "DS3 Boss vs. Elden Ring Bosses" - Even if they be similar games - pose wise they are totally differend.
@@denis9582 The damage is the same, but the poise is not? The bosses in both games are so hard to debuff and they generally do the same damage and debuff. It's a programming mismatch.
The amount of well timed blocks from both black knights is actually incredible, even when fighting NPCs. That black knight UGS was usually my top priority when it came to farming that category, the amount of power you had at your fingertips was bliss. Fighting NPCs or other players, just raw damage.
All black knight weapons are amazing.
The AI for a lot of mobs in DS3 was just straight up better. FromSoft threw it away in favor of input reading.
@@gr33dl0cknein3 Elden ring doesn't technically input read but they did overtune their reading a bit too much (they're technically responding to player animations but it triggers FAST, like first few frames of an animation)
5:49 even though he lost the fight, that block to shield bash combo was clean af
Gwyn’s knights were no joke. Just goes to show just how strong Gwyn was.
Well, Nameless King and Orstein were the ones who lead them.
Crucible knight: can fly and has extremely powerful incantations
Black knight: Perseverance skill has entered the chat
@@benjaminthibieroz4155nameless king had his own knights, the knights of the sun of which ornstien was the one of if not the highest ranking captain
That's what I thought, Ordovis is just one dude but Gwyn had whole armies of Black Knights. Pretty cool
Try parrying
This is probably the most cathartic thing I’ve ever seen. I didn’t know I needed to see a Crucible Knight get poise broken so much but, now I have. And damn does it feel GREAT
It’s look Terrifying
Crucible Knights never put the fear in me like the Black Knights did in my early encounters with them.
It's so satisfying to see Ordovis eating shit a million times in a row.
Just hearing the clanking of the black knight’s armor takes me back to ds3. Hard to believe that was 8 years ago.
8? Ds3 released in 2016 seven years ago
@@purehollow4460 ig he meant about ds1
@@purehollow4460 DS was released in 2011 - 12 years ago lol
@@purehollow4460 My mistake, I'm bad at math.
@@despeinadormisterioso5741 DS3 not DS1
Two legendary knights from different worlds, yet equally matched in their own way, this is beautiful
Ah yes I too love seeing a crucible knight getting poise broken
Equally matched?😂😂..You saw the Crucible etting knocked on his arse right?
@user-ev9gk4vp8x maybe you should try rewatching the video because the black knight wins the first round but with only a quarter of health left the crucible knight then goes on to win the next THREE rounds but again with very little health. on the 4th round the black knight comes out on top but with only a sliver left. Yes these monsters are both very equal in power. You only think the black knight is stronger just because it does big poise damage.
@@user-ev9gk4vp8x Did you watch the full video? Because I did, and it was a 4 - 4 draw.
@@DonJoe1 I feel the first fight is the definitive answer. They're mostly equal but the main problem is at regular stats and equal stats the Ultra-greatsword Black Knight specifically poise breaks Crucible Knight Ordovis at every turn. The Crucible Knights also have magic attacks that damage through the Black Knights shield and they do more raw damage per hit. However you can't deny the sheer determination of the Black Knight grants him an edge over The Crucible Knight.
The Crucible Knights seem to dominate when the Black Knights aren't using Ultra Great weapons.
3:15 if the black knight would’ve pulled off that uppercut it would’ve been insane
TRUE, but Im pretty sure the only reason he got finished by that was due to the counter attack mechanic making the crucible knights wing slide do 30% more damage because black knights attack had just barely missed. Was actually way more close/clutch than people realize.
Good to see the boys in black show the new guys whose boss.
It's pretty fun to watch when there's actually a sort of balance: Crucible knights hit like a bus and can take more damage, have a much more varied move set and tools at their disposal, but the Black Knight refuses to be knocked down or slapped out of his animation and just keeps. On. Counterattacking. So determined. The Crucible Knight's damage output and the Black Knight's poise make them surprisingly even matches for each other despite their many differences.
Well, that's mostly to do with the Black Knights not really having a poise value, back in the day. You'd ALWAYS kill them LOOOOOONG before you could break their stance. Which is a design philosophy that was pretty limiting and unimaginative. Thankfully, they've changed that, but this is a good way to see how it used to be.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleu can poise break them...but really hard(they have the highest poise of all knights) this remains true even in dark soul 1
@@kiro253 Last I checked, you can't actually poise break them. You can stagger them, but yeah, that's a rarity. You will NEVER get a riposte out of smacking the shit out of Dark Souls enemies, though.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleyou're mixing up stance and poise. That "stagger" IS the poise break. For most enemies in DS3, poise breaking resulted in a flinch of some kind, meanwhile in ER, you have poise AND stance. You can actually poise break an enemy in ER sometimes multiple times before their stance breaks.
Now it's also true that many DS3 bosses had a "stance break" like effect whenever you dealt enough poise damage, but it's an ultimately different system than ER.
@@handtomouth4690 Bah, semantics. I always clarified that you can't get a riposte out of it, so people knew what I meant.
Crucible knight: I can use holy magical powers
Black knight: I can hit 🗿
Black Knight with the great sword said “I’m the original hard ass here. Let me enlighten you on what that means”.
The whole sequence at 01:45 was just the most beautiful face off i could‘ve ever seen
Black Knight is treating the Crucible Knights like normal enemies in terms of poise lmao
For real lol...i never staggered those fcking crucible knights...they are insane
Then again i also never staggered a black knight either
@@kiro253
Its because the modder left number from one game and put it into another one. Look at more of his videos, all DS3 bosses and minibosses stancebreak after a single hit because of how DS3 stored poisebreak numbers
Ðis is ðe only one ðat makes sense, lore-wise. @@mathewklatil5455
For anyone curious, yes black knight armaments are poise breakers/stagger monsters its stated in the ds3 item descriptions
This is like seeing the first villain of an anime fight the most recent villain you despise the most
This is probably the best demonstration of the BKs skill and aggression. Seriously one of the most badass enemies in any game I've seen.
That shield bash at 1:53 was PERSONAL.
That was such a cool finish to that fight.
C-Knight charging up a potentially fight-ending attack and the Black Knight is just
*bonk* then LAUNCH.
The fact it came right after the crucible knight knocked the black knight down made it feel extra dirty too, I love it just fucking vicious.
It was beautiful. I laughed so hard because it felt like the Black Knight got so pissed off he just punched the Crucible Knight in the face and yeeted him off the map.
He really said "Cool party trick"
Right! Like it was a player not AI
I still cheer for Black Knight. "Man screw your fancy moves, I'll just smash through you like it's just another Thursday"
That Round 1 ending gave me PvP grudge-match vibes
1:52 "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." That was very satisfying to see the Black Knight finish him like that.
i've always believed that DS3 Black Knights have infinite stamina, they're just ... brutal man
hello sister friede killer
@@FRealw27026 👋
just parry
It kinda makes sense from a lore perspective. I think the actual flesh got disintegrated in their armor for Gwyn and now it’s just suits of armor inhabited by the knights spirits, and I would imagine the spirits don’t have stamina
@@zentazym1true but not spirits, it's actual ash in those suites
1:52 That tackle was clean af.
Dude saw him doing some flashy magic and said “fuck that flashy shit catch these magic hands”
@@Monyato 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@Monyato "Block this you filthy casual"
Black Knight is just "Fight back nigga. Fight back nigga." personified.
That shield bash in the face into the stomp uppercut was nasty 💀
Seeing a crucible knight get stance broken that many times in two minutes was honestly the highlight of my day.
Exactly. Hate fighting those bastards.
@@moncreebrown948Especially after fighting that first one in that upside down city, only to find another one across the bridge. Almost broke my controller lmao
Okay. Being so strong you can flip a crucible knight is badass enough. But the sheer disrespect up punching them into the next century with a shield is giving me a feeling of pure joy. And I want it as an ash of war.
The way that the first Black knight killed Ordovis was sick as hell
- Crucible knights: fool, my poise is unbreakable
- Black knight: buddy, fighting giant demons and dragons is my daily job...
I can't ever recall to have broken Crucible knight's stance even once. Watching these guys making them fly looks otherworldy...
I mean, those weapons were made to fight huge demons...
Yeah pretty much like the Omen Cleavers.
@@CrescentCrusader99 hardly lmao
@@CrescentCrusader99lmao, no, the black knight weapons are made to fight big ass demons of chaos
and then get parried by a buckler, classic
Didn’t they also use them to fight the dragons as well? Or were the knights created afterwards. I don’t remember at all
The Black Knights are so plucky even in original scaling, it's insane; way behind in damage and health but still making every match close win-or-lose o:
For real. They're just fucking UNITS with how powerful they are. Definitely wanna see Banished Knights or Lordsworn vs either Silver Knights or Lothric Knights. and
The health was multiplied by 4, and that stats were scaled. The Black Knight HP was not accurate. Normally it'd die in a few hits.
*Crucible Knights getting constantly staggered*
Me: "Oh my, that's beautiful"
Now the crucible knight knows what a tarnished feels when we fight a crucible knight 😅
Elden ring daniel got to meet the cooler daniel
This makes me want a Soulsborne fighting game, kinda like Smash Bros but instead you can pick characters from all of the different Fromsoft games and fight at lore significant locations from each game. Seeing Elden Ring's Fire Giant square off against Yhorm in the middle of Yharnam would be amazing.
I'd main the sword master
I bet the Abyss Watchers would be so fun to play with
I just imagine that each time you die it plays a special animation where a new watcher kills the one you were playing as and then you assume control of the new one, and their ultimate is a whole bunch of them coming on screen at once and doing a massive combo on someone.@@LunarBloodRose27
Soul Calibur
Do you know how much money I would pay for this... too damn much !
I'd say this was a very balanced and even match. The Crucible Knights have their immense damage and utility of crucible shenanigans matched by the Black Knights' consistent attacks and big boi poise.
Arsenal vs determination, it's wonderful to behold
The big problem is, that black knights aren't ER enemys, thus they don't have the strance break mechanik.
@@Smitywerban The problem is the lack of stagger to stop any attack, if you look there is moments where the crucible hits with a shield bash and it does literally nothing.
It's wild how it takes a set of named crucible knights to match up to a pair of random black knights from ds3. Really goes to show how incredibly strong they were.
I just find it insane and awesome af that videos like these are possible when other FS characters are in elden ring
1:52 I want that shield punch as an Ash Of War so bad. Anyway sick combo.
Yeah, that was an epic move to finish the fight! Ordovis was winding up, and the BK UGS shield bashed him back onto his heels and then sliced him up!
When you remember that the black knights are likely undead, this makes a lot of sense. It's harder to stop an undead than a living creature.
Holy magic >:(
No, the black and silver knights are constructs
@@Stone_Orchidsas per the armor description in DS1:
"Armor of the Black Knights who haunt Lordran. The knights followed Lord Gwyn when he departed to link the Fire but they were burned to ashes in the newly kindled flame, wandering the world as disembodied spirits ever after."
If they were constructs, burning to ash would mean that they wouldnt even exist anymore. And given that they are stated to be disembodied spirits, they cant be a construct. They were once living things, and are now a form of undead. Just not the same type of undead as the player.
As for the Silver Knights, they have minds of their own that proves they are not simple constructs; Leo couldnt use the Silver Knight Straight Sword nor spear, and chose a hammer instead, going against everything the other knights did - and if you know anything about militaristic forces, uniformity is important. That, and he was willing to leave to find Havel.
Difference is that Silver Knights likely still have their bodies underneath, and are likely the undead we're used to seeing rather than disembodied spirits.
They arent constructs.
@@secretminty6398I don't think they are undead since Gwyn knights were from the "god" race, thus lacking the dark soul. The humans that fought alonside Gwyn, like the slave knights, were forgotten or confined in the ringed city. The Silver knights, being Gwyn's fellows, got the privilege of guarding Anor Londo instead, and most likely they were all part of the nobility and revered by humans as gods. Like all "gods" they were immune to natural death but they lacked the dark soul fragment, so they couldn't get affected by the undead curse.
They're empty haunted suits of armour the bodies in them burned away a long time ago.
Every time I watch your videos, I’m inspired to try new strategies in my own game. Thanks for the ideas!
1:51 On Gwyn, that was smooth. Well played, BL
I love how the Black Knight was just like: "Lemme talk to em'"
What a awesome shield bash then uppercut sword slash for the finishing blow dealt by the black knight!
Crucible knights: flexible, have lots of different movesets, use incantations,...
Black knights: *P O I S E D A M A G E*
Don't know who the little robot guy was but it was sooo satisfying to watch him stance break crucible knights lol
Darks souls 1 black knight.
Robot guy?
This really shows you how different DS and ER were in terms of enemy brutality and also how much FromSoft did their best to make the franchise feel fresh.
We spent 3 games of DS enemies that attacked fluidly and straightforward . One Swing right after the next until combo finished. The Black Knights were tough bc of how quick and hard their combos were.
Elden Ring played on that familiarity and gave us enemies with delayed attacks and really weird timing on attacks regardless of how telegraphed they were. Also letting us stun lock enemies was a major plus which is why the crucible knights are getting creamed.
DS enemy AI gets incredibly aggressive if you have a lot of souls on you, if youve ever farmed a drakeblood greatsword or staff of mendicus, that area is a good farm and the summoned drakeblood sword enemy can be pretty deceptive
@@user-zl8sv8tj7w Is that true for all the npcs or?
@@Ciffer-1998 not sure! Archdragon peak has a bonfire just past nameless king, it’s an area with a lot of those humanoid things that spit fire, and some of the really tall ones too, i cant remember their name. It’s on the way to fight Havel. I tested it on them as well -wanted to see if i could farm the chained greataxe that they throw at you- seems to be the same for Havel too and the fireball guys. Im not sure if its because it’s an area you access later in the game or what
poise break in ER is so op charge atk then critical atk
I wouldnt say those changes were an improvement....
I noticed the dark souls enemies tend to have lower hp and lower atk dmg but they are poise breakers
Well...they did pick a knight that was literally notorious at destroying enemy poise even back in dark souls...
Heck that is literally their weapon specialty...breaking poise
It's more like everything in elden ring have almost no poise. You can stance break almost everything with 2~3 back to back charged heavy attacks.
Nothing has made me wanna get in a big suit of armor and fight another man (or anyone really) to death with giant weapons more than this video, except maybe that one ESO trailer. the exchanges here sometimes look like the stuff you would see in cutscenes of legendary duels
2:48 black knight is a monster dude😂, ty for this, these fights are so good
that shield punch finisher from the black knight on ordovis in that first round had me rollin omg that was hilarious "charge this you nerd"
seeing the black knights just throw around the crucible knights makes me so happy
video creator: alright imma give you both an equal amount of poise.
Black Knight: waddiyatalkinabeet
The music choice really sets the mood for these battles. It’s like watching a movie scene. 🎵
So, do the Black Knights just deal infinite poise damage? Because it sure seems like it. They've got those Crucible Knights goddamn stun-locked.
About 40-50 poise damage per attack. About on par with Nameless King's poise shredding.
None of them compare to Midir, the champion of Poise shredding.
It's their weapon. They have extra poise damage compared to others of the same class and some extra damage to demon enemies.
Black Knights are monsters! This video just reminds me how much I love them
I love that the second Crucible Knight basically said “I’m done playing around!” at the end lol.
“Elden Lord? Never heard of him. But have you head of our lord and savior Poise Break!”
I just beat DS3 for my first time, the black knights were the only enemy I'd "nope".
I even fought the Ancient Dragon without plunge attacking because of how cocky i was.
Based
Mmm? Bru black knights in ds3 are a joke lol
@@despair_ts1823anything can be a joke if you fight it enough. Also different people struggle with different things so yeah there's that too
@@LunarBloodRose27 no. Black knights are a literal joke. U can think of two moves ahead of them before they can swing their slow ass weapons
@@despair_ts1823id refer to his comment again mate. Read it again slowly, you'll have your answer
What I notice right away is that the black knight blocks way more often than the crucible knights. The crucible knights seems to be all offense, just cramming out spells and combos as fast as possible. Many of their biggest hits only get in chip damage because the black knight raises its shield the second they start an attack animation
yeah I agree
Basically the dark souls dance patience vs the elden ring madness
This was amazing
Amazing fights! 🤯🤯🤯
Ordovis is pure unadulterated badass swordsman
I’m enjoying the Lordran invasion videos popping up lately it’s nice to be able to even see these old enemies in the newer games and seeing how they stack up.
Dude, this is sick af.
Twas very cathartic watching this....both of these varieties gave me hell in their respective games.
Black knights are just built different with how aggressive they are
Watching this video just makes me wanna do another DS3 run with the black knight ultra greatsword only after seeing how many times the black knight staggered the crucible knights
It's really fun actually, might be my favourite ultra greatsword in the game
@@kixakii436yep ..the best imo...design and lore are soo cool...and my god the power it have is insane
Killed many bosses from nameless king and so on with BK UGS, feels good
@@kixakii436 It's easy mode killing things in 2 hits.
that knock up weapon art is insanely good against humanoid npc, recommended for bullying bosses like a sister friede
A great way to solidify the ptsd that was my first souls game. I don't think i killed a single black knight the entire playthrough of ds3. Ran like hell every time
This was awesome i love both enemy types but there was something special about the black knights back in DS1