Five Tribes: Jenna Busch, Satine Phoenix, and Richard Garriott Join Wil on TableTop
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 เม.ย. 2015
- Wil Wheaton and guests Jenna Busch, Satine Phoenix, and Richard Garriott play Five Tribes in this episode of TableTop!
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Executive Producer*FELICIA DAY
Executive Producer*SHERI BRYANT
Production Executive*RYAN COPPLE
Producer*ADAM LAWSON
Co-Producer*BOYAN RADAKOVICH
Director*JENNIFER ARNOLD
Guests*JENNA BUSCH
*RICHARD GARRIOTT
*SATINE PHOENIX
First Assistant Director*ADAM LAWSON
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This was an absolute blast! Also, Wil sang the math song, which makes it even better! Though I didn't really rob anyone of their victory this time around, it was fun being a mob boss for a few minutes. :)
Modern colloquial for slaves is known as unpaid interns.
Noyoki I thought it was "grad students".
mkrawec I suppose that works too. :p
Noyoki Lol.
Noyoki Wage slaves. Not paid enough to live on, that's the murican way.
***** Yeah, because all interns work for Goldman Sachs /sarcasm
"I think I have seven merchandise right now, if I get three more, I'm gonna have all nine."
-Wil Wheaton 2015
The story of Shaharazad: "It's banned in all Magic formats, don't you dare fucking play that card or we will all rage quit."
IceMetalPunk Oeh perfect, then I know how to stop the annoying card shuffle now.
IceMetalPunk I had heard about that magic card but never made the connection to the name and the effect it has, its actually really fitting
*****
Yep. The story of Shaharazad is a bunch of stories within a story...just like a game within a game... and then you Ult Karn.
IceMetalPunk i Fork your Shaharazad. Inception ensues...
Benji Sun There was a time when Wishes could take any card outside the game, not just cards in your sideboard, and Shahrazad was still legal. You could start the Shahrazad subgame, then use Burning Wish to get the Shahrazad that was resolving in the main game, and cast that. By the time all the subgames have finished, you'd have the rules nightmare of a spell that was trying to finish resolving while it had changed zones probably several times, and was now in all likelyhood inside your library, instead of on the stack where it's supposed to be. Good times.
Honestly, I love that Satine was there just to have a good time. It made me love the show even more!
I saw her dread game play this week from a year ago and it was amazing tears were shed
Can we all just agree that "video game developer and private astronaut" is the most stupidly awesome job description? It sounds so fake, like something a twelve year old would make up, but it's real and I am insanely jealous!
Live the dream, Richard. Live the dream!
Lord British. The one and only that coined the term MMORPG.
Thanks Satan...
"Actually it's Satine"
AsterDXZ nope its satan
I was curious so I Googled her to see what her comics were aaaaaaaand, she's a porn star.
I'm not upset or anything :p
Nerd King Yeahhhh but I'm not complaining tho
not acording to some recent church graphitti
Panzerfrank1984 Are you on set to know different? Maybe she's just really bad at making bets and Hungry Hungry hippos.
Richard Garriott always seems to be such a good sport. He once met up with (and even made a fan video with) a reviewer who, while praising the first Ultima games, seriously thrashed the later games. I think most people would have gotten upset with the criticism and would not have bothered to meet the guy.
William Bowles What's a Paladin?
He never said paladin... And a paladin is just a warrior that uses magic citation needed
Gage Horton No, a Paladin is a warrior priest. The specific origin is from the foremost of Charlemagne's knights.
Gage Horton He was referencing the review made by a reviewer called Spoony. In the game Ultima IX the main character at one point can ask "What's a Paladin?", which considering that in the previous games the same character had tons of interactions with paladins and was best friends with one, really offended the reviewer and he made it sort of a running gag throughout the review.
Gage Horton WHOOSH
Richard Garriott, AKA Lord British, is one of the nicest and most talented people in the entire gaming industry.
Cameron Faulkenburg Can confirm. He spent the entire day on the set with us, even for the episode he wasn't in, and the whole crew loved him.
That's great and seems very in keeping with his character. Also I'm looking forward to International Tabletop Day! I will be hosting a Bang! the dice game tournament for the freshmen on my floor at Indiana State University where I'm an RA. The winner will get a copy of the game and my residents are excited for it.
Cameron Faulkenburg I got to meet him at DragonCon this past year. He's awesome.
Cameron Faulkenburg Nicest?, couldn't tell I never met him personally. most talented?: not by a long shot, he made some decent game, but the most popular, Ultima Online I attribute to designer Raph Koster. Garriott questionable mechanics had led to some major flops like Tabula Rasa.
***** I don't actually know where they shoot the show, but if they do it in southern california, he wouldn't need that protection, cause "It never Rainz in Southern California" ;)
YEa BUDDY! So excited to be able to talk about this now. It MELTED MY BRAIN!
What is the deal with it?
It was super fun to be on the show... and the game is super crazy good hard.
Cool! Glad to hear it!
And with this episode of TableTop, I pronounce unmistakable Baader-Meinhof phenomenon on you.
Glad you had fun satine
Should have called them "Interns"
vinni3c I don't think there'd be nearly as much whining about political correctness if they did that.
"Prisoners with jobs."
@Wizzykin thank you! I only began watching the series recently and I'm thoroughly enjoying the video but come on. how annoyed can people get over someone saying that slavery is wrong and the manner in which it was implemented in this game was questionable?
This is a great game. The slave thing doesn't bug me at all. It's historically accurate.
MrMalorian completely agree with you. sometimes history is not the most friendly thing in the world like slaves but changing the name I feel anyway is covering it up in a sense. They handled this very maturely but i still don't like the idea of not using the proper term for them because in this time period that is what they were.
Why does historical accuracy hold so much weight in a worker placement game set in a fictional land where your appease magical beings?
It's an abstract game and slaves are not an integral part of the mechanics or theme which is why Days of Wonder are able to change them into fakirs.
Mich199999 I actually think that Wil handled it immaturely. The mature thing to do would have been to just play the game and not mention it. But since Wil is a typical SJW, he had to make a big deal about it to show how against slavery he is.
Just to be clear: slaves serve no purpose, and it's wrong to incude the idea of slaves, but assassin and murder is ok. Is that your arguement? Maybe assassins should be removed from the game and replaced with 'relocation officers'. And what's this and forcing the idea of Gods down my throat? Maybe they need to be replaced with simple bonus cards. No, it's the theme of the game, based on a historical setting, where murder, the use of slaves, and belief in gods, was a real thing.
walsh1916 OR Days of Wonder let him know that they're changing the slaves into a different type of unit and he had to address it on the show but had limited info about what the change would be.
"I'll most likely kill you in the morning. But first, let's play Five Tribes."
I don't remember them playing board games in Princess Bride, but if you say so.
I just love the format of this video: music, short face to the camera explanations, great interactions at the table... I just bought the game and this video just builds up expectations for this amazing game ! Great job, I will definitely check out your other videos on board games.
Have to say, I think this s one of the best episodes for displaying how good strategy is thought through. The thinking process from each person was valuable to helping see how strategy is developed over the course of a worker placement game.
A time-honored tradition in all board games, since Monopoly:
Own as much land as possible.
Charles Lee You can remove the word "land" from that sentence and it's still accurate.
"I really don't know what I'm doing anymore."
-coincidentally the title of my new autobiography.
You know, If he hadn't said anything about the slave cards (except what they do). . . Nobody would have noticed or cared.
OMG a card that is historically part of the period the game takes place in? OFFENSIVE!!!!! CHANGE IT!!!! I hate humanity.
Actually, the slave cards caused such an uproar on the Internet that Days Of Wonder already announced the second printing will replace slaves with fakirs, and they've already made the fakir cards available on boardgamegeek for $5.
I think it's silly too, but people definitely notice.
UnNuclear Sadly you underestimate the youtube comment section greatly.
If he had not drawn attention to it, many people (myself included) would not have noticed. Some people still would have noticed, but the comment section would not be filled with people complaining one way or the other about it.
UnNuclear Yes, it would be people filled with complaining about the slaves. You are very naive if you think otherwise. You would not have noticed and many others would not have noticed. But the people that comment would. Vitriol is what to many people thrive on. So an opportunity to start something will happen. Its inevitable always and forever. Or until the average youtube commenter their mind will change.
I find your slave/assistant home rule ridiculous. Slavery has happened all through out time and sweeping it under the rug and not recognizing that it happened just because it offends some people is taking a step backwards.
TheGobberShop dont hate, he was just trying to placate the whining social justice warriors. Instead now he has to deal with the "say it ain't so" crowd. at least the latter is more polite. so far at least.
Jindorek You cannot placate SJW's and trying to pander to those authoritarian faux progressives. Is a lesson in futility.
Zachary Hawley My philosophy is "You can never please everyone, so the trick is in to stop trying."
TheGobberShop agreed
Jindorek Wil Wheaton is a whiny social justice warrior.
One of my favorite episodes because of how surprised Wil is that he won. Wish there were more Tabletop.
"hella sick points" - very _Life is Strange_
Lol my first thought too. God do I hate that word.
Thomas L resources bro, I knew as soon as he said he was going resources I new it. Many games reward heavily for resource managment
Thomas L Anyone here spawned from the gaping maw that is the Woolie Hole?
Congrats Wil!! I loved seeing Richard play. Thats my favorite dev ever and personal hero! :)
Good job Will. All of us need to bring face to face games back to the forefront. I enjoy your videos to the utmost. The legitimate sadness and joy in each video mimics my game nights. Keep it up!
"Whats's your Djinn cocktail of choice?" Well that would be the Semi-phenomenal Nearly Cosmopolitan Powers. THE PUNS!
I know I'm not the only one that checks it every thurdsay at 1 pm EST every thursday and when you see the update you are just super happy!! yippy. and when it's not up you say in your best Sheldon voice "CURSE YOU WILL WHEATON!!"
Wil: "I am so fancy..." you don't even know.
and yes in 3 days a have seen almost 3 seasons !!! that means only one thing, you are awesome guys !! thank you !! dont stop this exelent show !!! neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr : )
This show is great. I cannot get enough of it. I love being introduced to new games in a fun informative way, so that if I ever do get a chance to play, I at least have some idea what happens in it. Thank you Tabletop, and keep up the videos!
I've never seen Wil so in shock. lol
yea, it wasnt even like "OMG, this actually happened" shock, it was more of a "state of confusion" shock, very wonderful
I don't remember "12 years an assistant" winning the best picture Oscar! lol
"12 years an intern" might be a thing soon though, considering how society looks these days =P
The entire cast is great in today's episode. Jenna's entertaining as always, Satine seems like a perfectly awesome and talented lady, and Richard seems like an awesome dude among awesome dudes. As for the game, congratulations, Wil!
Holly Hawking's Chair!!! That was the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Wil Wheaton, and Company for such an absolutely Awesome production. You are the man Wil, you are the man!
Wil: "A Persian King who marries a new wife every morning after executing the wife he married the previous day."
Me: "So Persian King Henry VIII?"
Lord British on tabletop. Awesome.
omg I wait all week for this and It's finally time!
I'm in love with tabletop.
great episode, the game really seemed to flow nicely. Richard Garriott is kind of my "teenage years hero" - I cannot even remember how many hours I spent on Ultima II, III and IV (and later on the "Underworld" games). Good to see him again.
"during the time the game takes place slavery existed" - is the game set today because there are an estimated 25 million slaves in 2015
I think the working class is much bigger than just 25 million.
@@1234kalmar Jesus Christ what a way to trivialise actually slavery.
Historical revisionism is bad, mkay. Pretending a bad thing never happened is infinitely worse than acknowledging it without endorsing it.
I'll also never get over the fact that murder is perfectly fine to represent while many things with a far greater survival rate are not, but that's a larger issue with our culture as a whole and I can't really blame Wheaton for that one.
Rabek Jeris Agreed don't "whitewash" history look at something ugly, acknowledge it, and don't do it ever again.
Rabek Jeris To call this a "historical game" is laughable. The existence of djinn and the fantastical elements rule that right out. Now slaves do play a part in 1001 Arabian Nights, from which the game is based, so to say that is staying true to the source material is a little more fair...
However, we have to acknowledge the difference between the cultural context of then and now and at least treat serious subject matter such as this with some degree of gravity. Slavery and the like can be well handled in games such as Freedom: The Underground Railroad but stand out as being in bad taste in such a game like this that does not address the matter outside of its existence.
Ixe So the game is in bad taste if it portrays something that did happend in the time in which this game is based (It can have still supernatrual elements) without clearly stating that is is horrible. Should they pretend like slavery didn't exist during this time, should they attach a note saying that they dont like slavery or what. Like wtf not everything has to be a documentary about human-rights violations.
Rabek Jeris Guys guys guys....it's just a boardgame. No need to get at each others throat.
Rabek Jeris I love that Wil is overly PC on this game due to a slave card - yet the episode before this one was Cards Against Humanity...
I love seeing the happiness that winning brings Wil
the story is called "alf layla wa layla", meaning a thousand nights and a night ( direct translation )
which is true. that's the same meaning in arabic.
Yay! Check for a new video... and we're not trolled with an RPG update video! WOOT!
Given Will's issues with slaves but acceptance of assassins, I can only assume he endorses murder. What a monster!
so every time someone acknowledges an issue but doesn't point out another you are going to assume that is because they endorse the latter?
Lord British was just as regal and polite as I always imagined him to be, was also nice to see Wil actually win an episode after the brutal gaming beatdowns he has been receiving so far this season. Probably won't be picking up this particular game but still looks like a fun time had by all.
Man, I miss this show!!!
Lord British has returned!!! Quickly, take up arms and go to Blackthornes castle!
So I googled Satine Phoenix and let's just say I'm reaallllly glad I did so at home and not at work
Ye she's known for a bit more than comics books and playing board games
Yeah I was not expecting to see that
it doesn't change all the good stuff that she does for me.
@@Quandry1 So you're implying the other stuff isn't good? Seems pretty darn good to me...
@@DakonBlackblade2 or at least parts of her are.
the reason i love this episode is my name is also jena. So wil wheaton says my name so many times, and he says it with the same intonation that my friends do. it's like wil wheaton is my friend!
I have not watched one of these in awhile, got the email, checked it out, glad I did ! Well done , it was fun to watch and educational for a new game to try out , thnx again Wil. & to the rest, you guys where great sports and fun to watch as well ;)
Five Tribes Burgers And Fries?
unrelated to the video but is Five Guys any good? Nottingham in the UK is getting one and I want to know if they're good burgers, also if I should support them or if they're a bit controversial like chick fil a or papa john's
MiJaPaBo They opened one near my work a few years ago. It started out being a nice place, but the situation in the store degenerated over time. Now they serve thin patties in greasy bags that aren't worth the trip.
MiJaPaBo Try it at least once to see how your location holds up. Ideally you should head by any DC area locations for the more authentic form that is consistently higher quality, but in location farther away from it's origin aren't as likely to hold up as well.
MiJaPaBo I've been to the one in Manchester in the UK. I imagine it's all very different from the US but my brother has been to one over there and also the one in London and says it's pretty similar. Think the price is higher over here (as with all food it seems) but I thought it was a pretty good burger. Just make sure you don't skimp on the toppings, they're all included in the price.
I've had Five Guys from D.C. to northern New York and the quality stayed pretty consistent.
Are you seriously concerned about saying slave? Allow me to apply my hand directly on my forehead...
Thank you for this--I think this is the best video to show me how the game is played-however, I would have watched the entire, unedited version. AND, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought about what those tokens look like.
Yes yes yeees! I missed TableTop so much XD. I wish they were weekly.
Richard "Lord British" Garriott?! Ultima was awesome. :)
gosh people from the US are so whimpy about slavery...
+Maximilian Neumann They have slaves at Hogwarts?
hogwarts?
Don't play dumb with me, Max.
im sorry its too easy with you people ;)
Though i actually dont get it...
+Maximilian Neumann now you're trying too hard.. easy.. we can stretch this out for weeks...
Holy Crap! I did not expect Lord British to be on the show; great to see him here!
Finally! I've been waiting so long for this, definitely my favourite game from 2014 :D !
4th season ... where is it ???
Seriously? A word "slave" is that offensive now? Come on! It did happen in the past, it is like banning a word "nazi" and thinking that will make the WWII go away forever. No, it will not. People are now offended by jokes, names, history, words, walking, looking and breathing. Seriously.
But it would seem you're offended by people getting offended by people getting offended. OFFEN-CEPTION!
***** Is this how you read every comment? weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/are-you-fucking-kidding-me-face-620x250.png
He removed the name because its supposed to be a family friendly show, no one is ignoring the existence of slavery. God, every time someone does something *slightly* close to censorship/feminism, the anti-censorship and anti-feminists leap out of the shadows and yell about how its a big deal. The very fact that you have the ability to argue disproves the existence of the problem in your local region.
***** Of course it has nothing to do with feminism. I'm sorry for mentioning it, I was projecting my own dislike for certain people where I shouldn't,
But what he was complaining about (I assume) was censorship for politically correct reasons.
What I dislike is that people who are against a certain type of extremism, tend to be quite extremist themselves, and give a bad name to the people they represent. .
I've never found any previous episode's final scoring segment as surprising as this one was, with each category after the first feeling like a plot twist.
thank you ! thank you! i had to pass an hour before going out, refreshed my subs and tadaaaah, tabletop! Thank you!
Lord British! *Fanboy squeak* ;)
What happened to Spellslinger?
one of my favorite table top episodes I bought the game and planning to play it tomorrow
Been waiting for this for weeks! Richard Garriott!!
That's not what Satine is known for where I come from. :)
I love her.
I look forward to an extended cut of this (if one is made) to see a bit more of the game play. Also the outcome was unexpected and rather anti-climactic.
That was a good clean game with very little attacks against each other. Great job!
Another awesome episode. Funny to see how shocked Will was that he won.
Assistant? Oh boy. Another word is about to go extinct. The "S" word, no wait that would be "the other S word". But, but... think of the guys and girls with more complicated sexual tastes, "yeah make me your assistant!" and "you are being good obedient assistant!"..
Nic K Intern or secretary works in some cases. ;-)
Nic K I'm pretty sure over half the cards from the last game they played on here mentioned things much worse than slavery, not to mention a game portraying it in a historically accurate setting rather than a setting purposefully meant to offend people (i.e. cards of humanity). Wil is an ok guy but I'm not really feeling his decision on this one..
***** I'm with you on this, I mean it is a bunch of adults playing board games, you almost expect raunchy and slightly offensive banter and jokes, but editing yourselves this much is just...strange.
Nic K How fitting with Satine on the show :D
Nic K Not very.
Super cool game and really fun episode. I love the guests' personalities. Thanks for showing me this game!
Ps everybody in the comments gotta chill about the slave thing. What a pointless thing to get angry about.
Dear Wil, thank you for this amazing video. the gameplay was awesome. I just got mine game today. Keep up the good work. Al the best. 👍🏻
Holy Gods, those are some well-spaced tiles.
(I realise I may be along in my adoration of this.)
Excuse me, I am offended by the term "assassin". Can you please call them ticklers? And they dont kill other meeples, they make them laugh.
Ya and I'm offended by the word elders making them seem old can you call them super smart people who are no where close to death thanks
People all blaming Wil for the decision to remove saying slaves in the game.
Forgetting all the production that goes into this with multiple people working on it.
Yes, I too think it's awkward - But I can see why they did. It's a family friendly show and they try to not bring up depressing topics. I think they didn't think it through enough - It comes off as hideously offensive, but maybe - just maybe - people will notice that this probably wasn't JUST Wil making the decision.
Edit He could have just not mention anything about the slave card and doesn't have to add that it is offensive to him. It is like him shoving his opinions to everyone that find the game fine as it is.
***** Good job on missing the whole point.
talurbanar I know - I agree with you completely. It seemed unnecessary, especially as Lord Britain later calls them slaves later which isn't removed or changed. I just think that everyone jumping solely on Wil is ridiculous.
Mike The Gamer Sometimes people want entertainment divorced from dark topics such as slavery and such, which might be something brought up before the game and a unanimous agreement - I don't know, I didn't work on it.
***** ... The fuck are you on about ?
Bought and played this for ITTD 2015. Hands down the best game I played all day. Excellent replay value, easy to learn, but a challenging puzzle-type game.
Love it when Wil wins! xD
It's always this "I won...? I WON!!" *cheer*
Awesome :D
Why have we come to the point where we need to censor the word "slaves"? It's a part of history, why try to pretend it never existed? I just don't get it >_
"Offensive". Yeah nobody likes slavery but to do what you did is rather immature.
I play a fantastic PC game called Crusader Kings 2 and that game allows me to make decisions like expel Jews from my country, assassinate my siblings, incest, royal prisoners (send your child to other king for diplomatic reasons). Do I support said actions in real life? No. Did they happen in real life? Yes. Should that affect the game? No.
Nobody likes murdering but many people still play GTA.
You get the idea.
Nikolai508 totally in agreement with you ... Doesn't change the facts even if he changes the name anyway, its just hypocrisy. You can be non-violent and very kind IRL and still choose to blow up Megaton in Fallout 3 to get the nice appartment lol.
Nikolai508 If you're a pagan that can raid, like the vikings, you can sack a capital to try to kidnap a princess, force her to become your concubine, have a son, kill her, then use him to press a weak claim for a kingdom or such.
Just something that raised my eyebrow when I thought of it.
Nikolai508 I thought it was weird that they were like "Ya lets murder old men haha but seriously slavery is bad" I see where they're coming from but honestly the interwebs is just an offensive place I dont think anyone really cares if you use in game slaves
Nikolai508 Sounds like it wasn't very "PC" to me. ;)
Nikolai508 False. I like slavery.
PS: Slavery is real. You might not have chains around your ankles, but "debt slavery" is a real thing.
i would like to thank wil and everyone at table top because of this show i was able to get my family to start a weekly game night, i'm 27 now and me and my sister don't live at home anymore, but getting everyone together on Sundays to meet up and play some games is a awesome to stay close to my family, granted i still haven't got them to play any newer games, were still stuck on clue, phase 10 and monopoly but soon i will :P
speaking of that what is a good game that i can introduce to them, that is fun but not too much for them to take in right away?
Catan, ticket to ride, king of New York, seven wonders, or dominion. I prefer seven wonders bc everyone plays at the same time so it's fairly fast, and it's hard to see who is dominating.
After seeing how that ended all I can say is that today is off to a great start!
Why would slaves be offensive to anyone? It's a fact of history. Being scared of using the term wont do any good at all...
It's ironic how many got triggered by Wil trying not to trigger people. The fact that so many are angered is proof he was right to give a warning based on people having had a problem before this episode was even recorded. There wasn't this much crap when he gave the Nazi disclaimer.
Congratz, Wil. First win on the season
Thanks for another Great episode guys! I can not wait for Saturday and The next episode.
The people whining about the "assistants" disclaimer, he did call it ridiculous immediately after saying it. It seems very likely that someone behind the scenes was pushing it and the issue wasn't important enough to push back on. Yes it's silly and Wil appears to know that as well, this is hardly the first time a producer censored something and it's definitely one of the least egregious examples in the history of television or "shows", not worth making a fuss over.
Cyan Light I know this is late but I respect your response to this.
it's a little disrespectful to history, and the slaves of history, to pretend like it wasn't a thing, and that those people didn't exist
but eh, it's just a boardgame show on youtube so, they can call the card what they want.
IDK about you, but I'd rather not personally participate in slavery, even when playing a game set in that time period. Renaming them assistants that you *hire* at the market, instead of slaves that you *buy* at the market, probably avoids making the players feel gross.
While at the same time, reminding you that in real life slavery was a thing. You still know what those cards were originally called, and what the graphic depicts.
Great Show. I'd watch the extended version. Gotta so get this game.
This is kinda a strange experience for me! This is the first time I've already played the game before it was shown on TableTop! LOVED IT! Of course winning my first and only game of Five Tribes sure contributes to the LOVED IT feelings! :)
Regarding the issue of slaves/assistants, future reprints of Five Tribes will replace slaves with "fakirs"
Just call them surfs, it is basically the same thing but a lot less offensive to those that are overly sensitive.
***** Unless they are from California, it's probably best to call them "serfs"
It feels like something was stolen from the game :/
***** Couch surfers?
Chris Young Why have we come to the point where we need to censor the word "slaves"? It's a part of history, why try to pretend it never existed? I just don't get it >_
The slave cards have now actually been officially replaced by Days of Wonder with "fakirs" instead. You can buy them as an upgrade and they come with new versions of the game.
The whole historically-accurate argument makes no sense as there are mystical elements in the game. Djinns are not historically accurate. It would be more fitting to argue that slavery is part of the legends this game is based on. Either way it's up to each person what they prefer I guess.
every culture has mythical elements. thats a bullshit argument as well.
Mike The Gamer What? They originally argued that the slaves were in there for historical accuracy but the games fantastical. I don't feel particularly strongly either way but I understand while people were offended.
Jaqen People get offended by the absolutely stupidest things anymore. If it has nothing to do with you on any level why are you getting offended by it. People need a thicker skin.
Jaqen its equivalent to changing a backstory because of someone out there that MIGHT be offended. Its censorship for the sake of what? Morals? The Good of humanity? Society? Look, people need to accept the bad with the good, not change the bad so there is no bad. Sweeping something under the rug doesn't make it any less dirty.
Djinn in some culture are actually a real mystical beings. Read about it more before you make assumptions
"Jenna is all about getting 12 points" Sean Plott phrased it well in small world when he said "Or as Grant would say 'Par'"
Is your saying 'Never sacrifice the joy of playing in the pursuit of victory' the 2nd Wil Wheaton rule? IMHO it is absolutely spot on!
It's a game, bro. You aren't engaging in real human trafficking when using a slave card.
I miss this series. This channel is barely staying on my radar anymore. What a tragic loss for the hobby. People's personal and professional baggage and inability to coalesce sucks.
Wil had experienced a lot and probably got used to not winning/losing on TableTop such that he felt really stunned and did not know how to react when he found out that he had won this game. But, it's great that this was his first solo win on the show for the season.
I'm so happy for Wil finally winning!
Oh no! The word slave! On a family friendly show?! The horror! I need to keep my kids ignorant about the fact that slavery existed! I like Wil, but the fact that the producers felt they needed to preface the game with a verbal disclaimer is such BS. If they're only pandering to the PC crowd, it isn't worth it.
So... you don't like people being needlessly offended over a word, so you're going to be needlessly offended over some different words?
Will said, he found the concept of slavery objectionable. Fair enough. That's different than denying it existed. In fact he specifically said it existed.
well, its a little silly. So assassination is ok but slavery is not? when he's GM'in rpgs, does he handwaive slavery? Sure, slavery is bad, but so is assassinating and being an asshole to foes and a plethora of other thing that is part of gaming.
The problem is there are clear "winners" and "losers" in slavery. Assassination doesn't have stereotypical "sides." That's what makes people testy. That said...I still find it as objectionable as joking about murder / killing...and in game-play terms, qualifies as "just a game"
If you haven't heard of lines and veils, I wonder how much familiarity you have with RPGs. Let's leave GMing to people who have played a few, eh?
***** didn't make the engraving sound! My life is destroyed!!
The intro made me think of another game with the same setting, Tales of the Arabian Nights. It is probably my favorite board game for story and adventure.
Interesting that you find camels run out. In four games, it's always been moves than run out for us.
I love how different every game is!