The American locks give better feedback, so maybe they're better for beginners who want to move up in skill? The Master LOTO cylinders can be very challenging, especially if they're in the plastic body that clacks away like castanets while you're trying to pick.
I’ve never tried an 1100 but it seems like more fun than the LOTO. I still have a 410 in my naughty bucket that’s never been picked for reasons beyond me.
Thanks Ash. All I can say, never having owned a genuine American 1100, is that, as a beginner, I could pick the Master 410. I do have a cheap and nasty 1100 knockoff, with an awful 'toast rack' core, and which rakes open quite quickly, but I've never managed to SPP it. The pins are so sloppy and mis-sharpen, with uneven, rounded tops, that is actually quite difficult to control them with a pick.
Depends on what "better" means for you. If "better" means easier, than the masterlock core is easier/better. If "better" means more of a challenge or more secure then the American lock core is more secure/better. I just ordered the 1106 american lock with AL core today! Can't wait for the challenge!
VERY interesting! I brought this subject up with Bosnian Bill about a year ago. I bought what I thought was 2 1100 locks on amazon, but discovered one actually had a 401 core. I NOW know that master bought out American. My current skill is not great enough for these locks, however I can open the 5 pin 1100 with a lishi AM5. It has 3 serated drivers and 2 spools with 2 serated key pins corresponding with the spools. I have never opened the 6 pin 401. The lishi let's me feel and get a better idea of the 1100 pins so I am that much closer to spp it. I can't find a lishi for a 401.
IIUC it's only called the 410 when it's that spooly core in a non-guttable plastic body. The 2 you have are sold here as the A1100 (with the American Lock core) and the S1100 (with the 410-style core). I like both of these; I have about a dozen plastic body 410s and about a dozen A1100s in my practice lock rotation :-) I can confirm that the 410 style core is more difficult with better bitting, especially if it has a very high pin 1 or pin 6 (in my opinion). My experience has been that with wear from repeated picking the American Lock cores become much more difficult (less feedback, way easier to overset). I'd be interested to hear if this one gets harder after you've picked it a couple of dozen times :-)
@@LockNoob I'd have to disagree with Abraham...the 410 core might seem more difficult because it has a little extra slop or tolerance in the core but that makes it way easier to rake which is definitely less skilled than single pin picking. The a1105 core is a more difficult stack to single pin pick and the tight tolerance gives great feedback which is great in my opinion. You can wear out a 7 dollar master lock if you want a sloppy fitting guessing game with pin picking....no need to spend more for a badly assembled lock lol. So, in my opinion, the A1105 is more of a challenge for SPP and the S1105 is only challenging because the core is sloppy and better made for raking or zipping
I didn't take into account your comment about the A1105 becoming sloppy after wearing it in....when that happens, doesn't it just become like the s1105 that had more play in the pin set to begin with? I'm not convinced that the cheaper 410 core would hold up better than the a1105 core
Quite the difference! The 1100 reminded me of the American locks toughness (pre master purchase) .. always put up a good fight! Nicely demonstrated Ash 👍👍
What I did with my S1105 (the LOTO core American lock) was to break out my American lock pinning kit and repin it with American pins top and bottom. With that keyway, it makes a difference, and it's a really fun platform.
Great comparison, nice that he choose a 6-pin American 1100 for a fair deal. The bitting looks really tough on the 1100 👍 Well done. On the 410's i personally do not like the sloppiness of the core, it just wiggles aorund too much in the plastic lock body to be an enjoyable pick, this seems to be also the case in aluminum lock body. Just my thoughts, happy picking, thanks for the nice video.
@@brad6817 It is the Bane of my existence. BTW, a lot of PanaVice copies on e-bay. Likely all one needs to pick locks. The PanaVice is far superior if you also do a lot of crafting. I have mine bolted to a 12x12 board with shallow dividers routed into it for small parts and tools, etc. Very handy, it just hangs on a wall when not in use.
MAC would be 5, appears that one goes 6-2 mostly, judging by the pin colors. The key wouldn't have the ramp peaks if it were MACs, could make it one more step. I've picked quite a few 1100s and getting one with a similar bitting and drivers. They seem to be hardest with a lot of variation in cuts and no spools. The spool there would act like a serrated on that long driver, more or less it's an all serrated lock. Adding spools and zero lifts considerably lightens the difficulty of 1100s.
Great pick and good comparison I wasn’t aware that the cores are interchangeable- the cam is horizontal on the Master & vertical on the American (which makes the American susceptible to bypass- unless a wafer is used).
So far I've only ever been able to pick an AL1100 core once (2 days ago) and a 410 core once (yesterday). Both are stock as far as I know, but the 410 is really a struggle for me. It has either zero lift or very short keypins in slots 1 and 4, which I am constantly oversetting. Obviously my skill level is not yet where it needs to be, and this one might continue to put up a fight for some time to come. I'm not sure if I should admit in public that I like a Master Lock but this is a pretty competent lock.
No big surprises here, given the bitting. I have a plastic LOTO with a really mean bitting, in just the right order to be maddening. I have to drop pick the 2 rearmost pins - ugh.
Great comparison. What are your thoughts on the A1100 vs the S1100? Any difference in difficulty? Maybe you could make a video explaining the differences. Thanks!
I am new to the picking game and the only locks I have outside of clear training locks are 6 red American series 1100 loto locks. I am struggling with these. Any suggestions?
I’m a bit confused here. You call one a master lock and one an American lock but they both say American lock on them. I’m a new picker here so genuinely curious. It was very neat to see the difference in the pins at the end. Thanks!
@@unlockeduk I have around a dozen in different keyway, and when I was first starting out, I would jumble them up and grab one at random. After a while I found that setting pin 6 (usually the non spool of the bunch) first helped a lot. But one or two of them were easy, and one or two were darn near impossible to pick. Eventually I did pick them all open though.
![[479] The Master Lock Paradox - Model 410 LOTO Padlock](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/y4XGY0_cwcM/mqdefault.jpg)
Both pretty decent for a 40mm LOTO lock, but what’s better for pickers? 😃🔐🔐
How are you doing today man hope you're doing well
The American locks give better feedback, so maybe they're better for beginners who want to move up in skill? The Master LOTO cylinders can be very challenging, especially if they're in the plastic body that clacks away like castanets while you're trying to pick.
I’ve never tried an 1100 but it seems like more fun than the LOTO. I still have a 410 in my naughty bucket that’s never been picked for reasons beyond me.
Thanks Ash. All I can say, never having owned a genuine American 1100, is that, as a beginner, I could pick the Master 410.
I do have a cheap and nasty 1100 knockoff, with an awful 'toast rack' core, and which rakes open quite quickly, but I've never managed to SPP it. The pins are so sloppy and mis-sharpen, with uneven, rounded tops, that is actually quite difficult to control them with a pick.
Depends on what "better" means for you. If "better" means easier, than the masterlock core is easier/better. If "better" means more of a challenge or more secure then the American lock core is more secure/better. I just ordered the 1106 american lock with AL core today! Can't wait for the challenge!
VERY interesting! I brought this subject up with Bosnian Bill about a year ago.
I bought what I thought was 2 1100 locks on amazon, but discovered one actually had a 401 core. I NOW know that master bought out American. My current skill is not great enough for these locks, however I can open the 5 pin 1100 with a lishi AM5. It has 3 serated drivers and 2 spools with 2 serated key pins corresponding with the spools. I have never opened the 6 pin 401.
The lishi let's me feel and get a better idea of the 1100 pins so I am that much closer to spp it.
I can't find a lishi for a 401.
I do love the 1100’s
No surprise the Master core was easy. Thanks for posting. Great content. 👍🏻
Thanks!
IIUC it's only called the 410 when it's that spooly core in a non-guttable plastic body. The 2 you have are sold here as the A1100 (with the American Lock core) and the S1100 (with the 410-style core). I like both of these; I have about a dozen plastic body 410s and about a dozen A1100s in my practice lock rotation :-) I can confirm that the 410 style core is more difficult with better bitting, especially if it has a very high pin 1 or pin 6 (in my opinion). My experience has been that with wear from repeated picking the American Lock cores become much more difficult (less feedback, way easier to overset). I'd be interested to hear if this one gets harder after you've picked it a couple of dozen times :-)
I have an 1100 I’ve had for 6 years and picks many times… I think it’s about the same… but then again, have I just got used to have it picks?
@@LockNoob I'd have to disagree with Abraham...the 410 core might seem more difficult because it has a little extra slop or tolerance in the core but that makes it way easier to rake which is definitely less skilled than single pin picking. The a1105 core is a more difficult stack to single pin pick and the tight tolerance gives great feedback which is great in my opinion. You can wear out a 7 dollar master lock if you want a sloppy fitting guessing game with pin picking....no need to spend more for a badly assembled lock lol. So, in my opinion, the A1105 is more of a challenge for SPP and the S1105 is only challenging because the core is sloppy and better made for raking or zipping
I didn't take into account your comment about the A1105 becoming sloppy after wearing it in....when that happens, doesn't it just become like the s1105 that had more play in the pin set to begin with? I'm not convinced that the cheaper 410 core would hold up better than the a1105 core
Awesome picking as always, great comparison and absolutely love the speed gutting
Thanks 😊
Quite the difference! The 1100 reminded me of the American locks toughness (pre master purchase) .. always put up a good fight! Nicely demonstrated Ash 👍👍
Thanks 🙏
What I did with my S1105 (the LOTO core American lock) was to break out my American lock pinning kit and repin it with American pins top and bottom. With that keyway, it makes a difference, and it's a really fun platform.
Great idea!
Very insightful. Well done!
Thanks 🙏
Great comparison, nice that he choose a 6-pin American 1100 for a fair deal. The bitting looks really tough on the 1100 👍 Well done. On the 410's i personally do not like the sloppiness of the core, it just wiggles aorund too much in the plastic lock body to be an enjoyable pick, this seems to be also the case in aluminum lock body. Just my thoughts, happy picking, thanks for the nice video.
The wiggle is very annoying
What type of vice you use and what made you choose it? I'm looking for one that I don't don't have to secure to the bench in my garage.
I presume you meant "vice" not Voice. The former is a PanaVice with the circuit Board head, the latter is from British TV, Central Casting.
@@RAkers-tu1ey yeah AutoCorrect.
@@brad6817 It is the Bane of my existence.
BTW, a lot of PanaVice copies on e-bay. Likely all one needs to pick locks. The PanaVice is far superior if you also do a lot of crafting. I have mine bolted to a 12x12 board with shallow dividers routed into it for small parts and tools, etc. Very handy, it just hangs on a wall when not in use.
@@canadafree2087 I couldn't agree more. I pick everything in my hand. The vice is for making stuff
I won't lie, gutting them in the same tray was giving me anxiety... :D
Lol sorry!
Haven’t watched it yet…getting ready to watch it. Just wanted to say, this one looks fun.
Hope you enjoy it!
Man I would say learning to pick without a vice is the way to go.
Especially with padlocks, holding them gives better feedback. I have a vise, but I don't use it very much.
I do both depending on mood
MAC would be 5, appears that one goes 6-2 mostly, judging by the pin colors. The key wouldn't have the ramp peaks if it were MACs, could make it one more step. I've picked quite a few 1100s and getting one with a similar bitting and drivers. They seem to be hardest with a lot of variation in cuts and no spools. The spool there would act like a serrated on that long driver, more or less it's an all serrated lock. Adding spools and zero lifts considerably lightens the difficulty of 1100s.
Great locks
Cool! I have opened the 1100 only two times! Well, let's keep going!
Great fun lock!
The American 1100 put up quite a fight there.
Nicely opened.
I love my 1100's, but that one was extreme, nicely done!
Thanks 🙏
Great pick and good comparison
I wasn’t aware that the cores are interchangeable- the cam is horizontal on the Master & vertical on the American (which makes the American susceptible to bypass- unless a wafer is used).
I have a hunch thats why the core was floppy, it either has a swapped driver or modded one behind it.
Thanks
Wow, most impressive picking. Serious skill and talent displayed on this one. Enjoyed.
Very kind of you to say
Most of my Master LOTO cylinders are pretty straightforward, but I have a few with a lot of high lifts that always put up a struggle.
The bitting can be super important in relation to difficulty
Fascinating seeing what the difference between the two locks
Is there a price difference?
Not sure tbh
Probably not much of a difference if there is... those 1100s go for like 12-17 bucks a piece so the master would most likely be in that range too
I like the Sparrows Lunatic for 1100s
Good choice
So far I've only ever been able to pick an AL1100 core once (2 days ago) and a 410 core once (yesterday). Both are stock as far as I know, but the 410 is really a struggle for me. It has either zero lift or very short keypins in slots 1 and 4, which I am constantly oversetting. Obviously my skill level is not yet where it needs to be, and this one might continue to put up a fight for some time to come. I'm not sure if I should admit in public that I like a Master Lock but this is a pretty competent lock.
I've just gotten my first American Lock, but haven't gotten it picked, yet. Are the little holes on the back for oiling?
drainage for water my man
Woman!
@@doriWyo sorry
As said, water drain holes. Good luck with the picking, they are extra good fun
Thanks, LN!
Great picking Ash.
Thanks 🙏
Masterlock: over too quickly. I would not be satisfied.
Still fun with a good bitting
Great comparison 😀 both well done!!
🐈⬛🐾🐈🐾🇬🇧🍻👏👏👏👏
Thanks 🙏
Really like the 1100 Series. Practicing on one (and a Revolver) with a Monkey Paw right now. Really appreciate that extra feedback from the “paw”.
Glad you like it!
How do you like your revolver? I find mine way to easy to pick. I use all sorts of security pins too.
No big surprises here, given the bitting. I have a plastic LOTO with a really mean bitting, in just the right order to be maddening. I have to drop pick the 2 rearmost pins - ugh.
Bitting is key to difficulty for sure
Great comparison. What are your thoughts on the A1100 vs the S1100? Any difference in difficulty? Maybe you could make a video explaining the differences. Thanks!
I think it’s either shackle length or body material. I he cores are identical as far as I know
How do you think the amarican stands up to the Mako 427? Another great video...thanks
It’s harder to pick than the Mako, but the mall is very nice still
Great video Ash mate nice comparison 🇬🇧😎👊😊👍
Cheers Leon mate!
Thanks
I am new to the picking game and the only locks I have outside of clear training locks are 6 red American series 1100 loto locks. I am struggling with these. Any suggestions?
Yes, start with a master lock 3 or 5 maybe. The AL1100s are tough
The problem with the American Lock is it is too easy to bypass if the end is not blocked
Yeah but fun to pick
I see what you did there and approve.
Thanks 🙏
I’m a bit confused here. You call one a master lock and one an American lock but they both say American lock on them. I’m a new picker here so genuinely curious. It was very neat to see the difference in the pins at the end. Thanks!
The body is American Lock, the core, Master Lock
@@LockNoob ahhh I see! Thanks very much! Love the vids!
american lock wins!!!👍👍👍🔒🔑
Yeh!
nice
Thanks 🙏
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i find the 410 harder for some reason god knows why
@@ts757arse i have 2 1 i can open 1 i just cant even get a false set the tension bar just fall out lol
@@unlockeduk I have around a dozen in different keyway, and when I was first starting out, I would jumble them up and grab one at random. After a while I found that setting pin 6 (usually the non spool of the bunch) first helped a lot. But one or two of them were easy, and one or two were darn near impossible to pick. Eventually I did pick them all open though.
@@unlockeduk but I agree. I had a much harder time with most of the 410s then the 1100s.