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First off, let's get something out of the way. Taylormade bought Adams Golf, who had a line of DHY and Super DHY clubs they called either hybrids or driving irons. They were similar to what Taylormade is putting out now. They were also sold as better player driving irons, but were just great clubs. I never did understand that marketing, but it's been an approach adopted by the new owners.
That said, a while back, I switched to utility irons to replace my 4 and 5. They clearly out-performed the irons in my set, but I still didn't have enough gap between the 4 and 5, so replaced the 4 utility with a hybrid. I love the 5 utility and considered getting the 6 as well, but I actually hit the 6 iron pretty well. Whatever you call them, long iron replacements, utilities, or driving irons, they definitely have a potential place in a bag.
You have a very good point. 7 & 6 hybrids exist so it's a pity T.M didn't do these as replacements for the equivalent irons.
I hope they will
I stopped using the driving irons long ago.
I use a 3 and 4 hybrid and also an 18° 5 wood.
Forgiving and more consistent for me. 👍🏽
Great options
Brillian video, Andy. Funnilly enough, I had a full bag fitting a few months back. I replaced my 5 and 6 Irons with a 5 Hybrid and a 5 (Fairway Wood). I have equal distance or gapping through my clubs. The clubs you are describing are very similar to the clubs known as Cleveland Launchers. The Cleveland won the day for distance when I had my fitting, but that distance was less than a club length. So I chose TaylorMade Stealth Irons 7,8,& 9, and TaylorMade Stealth 43° Pitching Wedge and a 54° Sand Wedge. I didn't like the look of the Cleveland on the ground. My favourite two of the day, was my Ping G Le 2 Driver, and my Odyssey White Hot 0G7 Putter.
This isn’t exactly on point but I bought a 7 wood a while back to replace my hybrid and now you can take it from my cold dead hands 😂. I can hit it 210-215 off the box but it goes high and stays on the course 95% of the time. The loft is also such that even if I get a little fat it still has a great flight. Its just a million times easier than hitting 5i out of the box for me anyway.
While I’ve moved away from the hybrid style irons as I’ve gotten better I still play a chipper, all woods (no hybrids), and a high moi putter. It seems a bit silly for us weekend warriors to not make golf as easy as we can.
Great review and great advice on building blended iron sets. I just recently bought a new set of irons from Taylormade. For my long irons (4 and 5) I went with Stealth DHY irons, mid irons (6,7 and 8) P790's and short irons (8, 9 and PW) P7MC's. It does mean I carry two 8 irons but the difference in technologies and lofts between the P790's and P7MC's gave me the gapping I needed without resorting to bending heads.
I am waiting for the same set. I like long irons. A full set of Stealth HDs 4-SW, and 2-3 DHYS are the closest I can get.
You make some really good point Andy. What they made are really just game improvement irons but chose to market them a different way - which makes sense really. I also get your point on gaping. As my CH speed has started to drop off my distances between some clubs, especially the longer irons and even hybrids, has started to narrow. So I have been practicing varying my shots, similar to what you might do with a wedge, to get different distances out of the same iron eliminating some clubs from my bag all together. That Crossfield guy did a video on it just the other day. It really has me thinking on how I want to approach my upcoming purchase of new irons and hybrids. Really good video mate.
Thank you for your videos. You have become my favorite to watch and look forward to each day because of your demeanor, practicality and honesty. Thank you
Much appreciated 👍
I agree...even though I don't always agree with Andy.
@@Alan_Edwards and nor should you 👍
The cost of a full set of these would be close to $2000 (dollars US), which would put them out of reach for so many. Interesting, Adams Golf, purchased by Taylormade, had this hybrid type set up years ago. Cleveland also makes a similar set at a much lower cost. I can't see spending that kind of money Taylormade would ask for these considering where they have the two current models prices set.
Not sure I agree Andy. The genius is selling a super game improvement club, through clever marketing, at £200+! You said it yourself, they would have to change the label and sell them as premium super game improvement if they sold a set (maybe their marketing guys could invent a new category,,,,). Could you test the TM DHY 5 iron vs Wilson Launchpad and/or Cleveland Launcher clubs of similar loft to see if the performance difference justifies the price? I’m sticking with my hybrids.
Wow either Taylor made heard you or you just have great insight cause that’s basically what the stealth hd irons are. Nice review!
Still using an elderly T-MB 4-iron with my T200's, which is the same sort of theory.... And that gets me to the dog leg of the 5th at Holywell which, as you so ably demonstrated, is Position A.
Yes your right John same concept and work very well, it’s actually a great club for that hole!
@@TheAverageGolfer Yeah, I've been around - I know stuff...
I’ve been switched on to this this season. Play P790 from 6-AW and then have a Cobra Utility 4 iron at 22.5* to bridge the gap to my 19* hybrid. Working well and the moment
Sounds good to me and clearly you noticed the issue
Really excited that you've been Crossfield-esque in regards to the Chipp-r, and to Blended irons in general. Too many golfers are making their bags harder than they need to be just because the numbers match what they were supposed to 20 years ago.
I prefer to think he has been Average-esque 😂
@@TheAverageGolfer Don't know mate...chicken and egg.
This is EXACTLY what I'm experiencing with my 4 iron! I purchased a utility 3 to supplement and its still an issue. Might give these a "whack" for a proper distance between my 5 iron and my 3 hybrid.
Yep it’s an issue for most golfers
Try a 5 hybrid between 5 iron & 3 hybrid
great video Andy...now you have me pondering this...lol...way to go more money to spend...lol.... i might try ordering the 4 and 5 DHY and put them in the bag with my Mizuno JPX 921 hotmetals 5-PW ...i currently have PING G425 hybrids 5 and 7...and a PXG Gen 4 22 degree I could drop those three clubs and replace them with the DHY 4 and 5 especially if i hit the DHY 15-20 yards further than my regular 5 iron...like the gapping possibility....thanks for the idea mate.....cheers from Canada
My issue would be I carry 2 hybrids 19 and 25 ... where do these fit in ?? The TM irons will be there proper gapping up top of bag ...id always use hybrids love em
@@iLovettGolf can manipulate the hybrids so works for me 👍
Wilson launch pad 2 or Cobra T-Rails. Also great options.
Yes same concept as I am suggesting
Andy other manufacturers already make a whole set of hybrid irons , Wilson Cleveland etc , isn’t that what TM will end up with ?
If a manufacturer can get the performance and looks of these forgiving clubs then we will all be v grateful.
Yes absolutely
I have switched into the 3 & 4 SIM DHY to replace my p760 4 iron and to strong loft my 5w to 17*. Seems to give a nice transition from irons to DHY and on to woods. Have been tempted to maybe get a 5 DHY as well but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I keep telling myself that I should be able to hit a regular 5 iron as a single figure handicapper.
I agree totally that they should make a full set in these irons. I have been recently contemplating getting a full set of the wilson launch pads or the Cleveland halo launchers or the cobra equivalent, but they are too tinny. A full set of these may be just the thing. I sure envy your ability to try and tinker and compare all clubs🙂. We as amateurs could sure use that
These would be a better looking option than the others available and yes I am very lucky to try all these clubs
I went with the launchpad 2, it was the only one that looked like a normal iron behind the ball for me. I absolutely love them.
My gap between 4 & 5 iron was only 9 yards and why I have dropped the 4 iron from the new set I have just ordered. I was thinking of covering it with a Hybrid but now you have me thinking.
U mentioned that Taylormade should have made a full set of clubs. I think that Titleist may have already made that set of clubs with the T400s which I currently own.
I’m curious to learn how much club head speed is needed to get the gap between the 5 and 4. Fitters often just fit the mid irons. Would love to see more knowledge and attention to this.
Great vid Andy, was surprised you hit 4 & 5 the same distance ? Looking for some new sticks and think these are pretty good at the top end.
Never discount Taylormade to seek out a money making opportunity. It's likely they will do this if they get enough people commenting on it. I mean they made all those sets of Tigers irons and 99% of the guys buying them can't even hit them so it was really just for nostalgia and they charged 2K per set. I see them chasing these like a dog chases cars.
Maybe we will see but I think it would be a very wise move
Great review - love predictions, there will be some quiet satisfaction if TM follow your advice 😉. Played Holywell the other week, nice course, lovely par 3s and an amazing pro - review coming soon?
I even emailed TM with my suggestion! I heard a rumour you had been at Holywell and yes lots of filming with the head pro soon
@@TheAverageGolfer look forward to it
Love your content and, once again you haven't disappointed.
Hi Andy as usual v interesting review pxg have released I think they call it Z hybrid irons full set love to see you review these. Wonder if more companies follow suit
I have done the review some time ago Ian
th-cam.com/video/qwGiAjhNi1Q/w-d-xo.html
Oops many thx
I purchased the cleveland launcher halo 3 an 4 hybrid after watching your video on them. That filled the gap I needed. Thanks for your review of them.
Yeah spot on Andy. Great thought process.
Cobra have them already. The T rail are iron/hybrid cross. I’ve tried them and they are good.
Why do you carry a 4 & 5 iron when the difference in yardage is only 3 yards and the carry difference minimal ? Also I think Cleveland have brought a full set of these type of irons out
Interesting information, thank you for your time posting this.
You’re basically asking Taylormade to make a set of Halo LauncherXL. That’s what these look and act like to me. :)
My 3 hybrid has replaced my 4 iron because I wasn’t hitting it any further than the five iron. 👍🏻🇦🇺
Those DHY may integrate with their own Stealth Irons much better than with your PXG's. You should test (re-test?) The stealth irons to see if the distances match up better.
Filmed today 👍
Same reason I have a 5 iron then a 5 hybrid as the gap between the 6 iron and 5 hybrid is huge
The new Cobra LDX irons with the stronger lofts are very easy to hit in the long irons as they are strong lofts but very easy to get airborne, what are your feelings on those as they are a bit like a full set as you mentioned at the end of the video?
Great video and great suggestion to Taylormade. It would be nice to see them in a full set 2h or 3h - pw.
I use a set of old Ping G10 irons 5-sw,instead of 4iron I got a demo ping g425 5 iron,loft/shaft length is same as G10 4iron,but it's far easier to hit.
I’d agree on the easier to hit 👍
As ever Andy you make some great points in this vid👍👍
Interesting! IThis is my personal opinion, but the mistake is modern strong lofts. That is why long irons no longer work. Most 7 irons are now 4 to 6 degrees stronger than traditional lofts and this in my humble opinion is the real issue. A 7 iron now has the loft of a traditional 6 iron, or a 5 and 1/2 iron even. I can still hit a traditional lofted 2 iron off the tee and be fine. But with modern lofts, I can't.
I personally think a lot of issues could be solved by making the newer style game improvement irons but with traditional lofts instead of power-bat lofts. You would get the benefits, but could still find long irons normal.
An example, When you see someone like Jon Rahm use a driver (11 degrees), 3W (16 degrees) and 5W (at 18+ degrees) but his 4 iron has a traditional loft so 23-24 degrees so its workable.
I think a lot of what you say is spot on Christian
@@TheAverageGolfer Thanks!
What camera you used?
Another great video
The old MCGB irons were pretty much what you are talking about TM doing. Not sure why they went away from that set makeup, but they were a good set at the time.
I can’t recall them James but I think these would be so good
I think. The set I had were made around 2017. Had 4-SW, then added a 4-5 hybrid in place of the 4-5 iorns
@@jamesmikoliczyk1381 arghh right ok, is that in US?
They might have been just a US release. Not sure on that.
But the MCGB irons were probably the ugliest iron released in the last decade!
If you could get past the looks they were great irons but now you have irons such as the Cobra T-Rails, Wilson Launcher, Cleveland Halo launchers which whilst looking a bit odd (but definitely better than the MCGBs) do the same thing as the MCGB, but better
good stuff.
New irons coming dhy set🤣🤣🤣
Why would anyone use these when hybrids work better. Learn to hit the hybrids and or lofted woods. They are amazing. For golfers of all handicaps. Especially the average and high handicappers.
Because they prefer the look of an iron
@@TheAverageGolfer
I prefer the look of a butterknife. But I much prefer hitting greens from 180 to 220 and having them bite. What's more preferrable than having an Eagle putt on par 5?
@@iLovettGolf Done that many times. Especially when I was bombing drives 320 to 340. Sand wedge, A wedge in. But getting home on a par 5 is what gives me the most satisfaction. The pressure of the putt. Something about putting for Eagle.... I'd rather do that than get a hole in one. Eagles pay. 1's, can cost you a lot of money buying everyone rounds at the bar. When it looks good on a par 3, I yell, "Get close."
@@iLovettGolf I do that on practice rounds. I'll hit 5 or 10 balls on approach shots when no one is behind me, round them up and go to the next hole. lol.
I keep thinking that these resemble the Wilson Launch pads.
They sure do
They are nice but 220 notes Jesus for an iron .... why didn't the gapr things work they didn't sell many at all and they were silly money
What you are describing has kinda been done... Cleveland Golf Launcher Turbo HB Irons
Of course it’s been done, I never suggested it was unique!
@@TheAverageGolfer ok, sorry the impression I got from the video is you wanted to be able to hit/play hybrid style irons with more loft options. I guess you just meant Taylormade DHY specific ones.
@@cdmurray23 I just meant they are missing a trick by not making these available through the lofts like the clubs you mention from Cleveland, Wilson and Cobra have similar offerings
Nice👍👍
I despise these click bait titles.. Regardless of how good the video is.. the Title is an instant annoyance... Rely on quality content.. not clever thumbnails and titles please.... Not just you but ALL of youtube
cleveland UHX
£219 a club x 6 😂 no thanks.
Clubs look excellent though 🤙🏼
Yes that is an issue!
Great video 👍🏻 be interesting to see how far you hit the Stealth 6 & 5 irons vs these DHYS? Would they gap better than you PXG gen 5’s? Loft are stronger on stealths….that be a good video to see Andy 🏌️
Just filmed it this afternoon!