They had said they were going to send me a unit to review but I don't think it's on the table anymore for whatever reason. I will say the bash shifter is amazing. I bought one recently and it blew me away.
@@DouglasThompson thanks for the recommendation. I'll definitely use your feedback as to what I should buy as you have tried them all. I hope the wait-list doesn't take too long. I'm in no rush but would like to have something soon. I have the rest of my rig sitting in boxes.
I'm dead, he said you can emulate how sticky the gears on your real car are. I definitely don't want the same feel my VAG gearbox has going into 1st and 2nd, trust me on that haha.
Interesting comparison. I had a Thrustmaster and two Fanatecs before I got my ProSim. I’d like to try some other shifters like the BDH but I’m so pleased with the ProSim I don’t wanna make the effort or wait months and months for a BDH. What’s the weight limit for that motion rig? Can you really notice a difference in performance if you put the cover on BDH?
This is a question I get asked often with my real cars. I took out every single thing that wasn't necessary to the basic function of my WRX's. You can't look at any one piece as an individual item, think about everything as a whole and you begin to realize it's the mentality of saving weight that saves you weight rather than just taking things off here and there. I removed hundreds of pounds off my bolt ons only 04 WRX and I smoke STI's because of the power to weight ratio. My 06 wrx is even more aggressively gutted and has the increased engine performance to boot. ;) Weight is extremely important but to answer your question point blank...no I can't feel that difference but it seemed unnecessary for my personal use. ;)
Just received my bdh, love it, but having the same 2nd to 3rd issues you had. I’m going to try and adjust mine as you indicate here. Any tips on the best approach to trimming that nub - is it removable or do you have to do it in place?
You can use a small wrench on the flats near the base of each nub. Just sand or file a tiny bit at a time until it's perfect. Mine no longer does that at all.
Really interesting review mate!👍 If it haven't changed with high demand, I could tell Dave and Billy what shape I wanted for my knob. And I also have controller issues with RBR and Forza games, but that goes for most of my gear, not only the BDH. I play most sims and games on the market, and those two games are the only one I have issues with when it comes to the BDH.
Thank you much for sharing! I didn't know there were different knob options. I hope I was clear in the video that BDH being a custom-type operation, it's easily doable to make small changes like threading and basic knob shaped. On videos I've seen, the teardrop knob didn't look as small as it actually is in real life. Part of me wants to review the product as it would normally come from BDH but in retrospect, I would definitely want an M12 1.25 threaded shift rod so I could pop on any of my knobs from my real cars. It's something I didn't even think to ask but if someone forgets to ask (cough me) it's nice to know what the standard setup feels like. Luckily I'm not into Forza games, and I kind of feel like the type of person that is willing to spend this much on a single piece of gear won't be looking for the type of experience Forza offers, although I have heard it's a lot of fun and it would be nice to have it work flawlessly with all games. Overall, as we both know, it's an amazing shifter and is definitely worth the money for those that prioritize feel over anything else. :)
@@DouglasThompson Could be that I picked to get a aluminum knob, that they could custom make it for me? Yeah Forza games can be fun, but a bit on the arcady side for my liking, mostly bought them to play with my kids.
I have the BDH you tried and now the new HSQ which has Hal sensors now. I haven’t made my mind up yet which H shift I like best there very similar but new feels more accurate to me and of course you have the option of sequential
If I can remember when I get home I'll measure for you but I have cut the rod so it is no longer standard, if that affects what info you are trying to gather.
@@DouglasThompson yes I've tried the original simvertex and it's way too long. I prefer a slightly shorter throw but not as short as the bdh. I remember your video show bdh is 2.5cm. then u measured the simvertex. Watched a few but can't seem to find the part. Haha Would you also help measure the side distance, gear 1 and gear 3 or gear 3 to gear 5. That will be helpful
Doug, thanks again for all your input bro. I ordered a simvertex but I just read somewhere the switches they use are bad? Any thoughts on that? Or if you have any negative thoughts that would not make it a good buy please let me know.
They are probably referring to the fact that all mechanical switches have the potential to fail. As in they are not using hall effect sensor technology.
@@DouglasThompson Fair enough but then the question is are there any shifters that use hall effect sensors? Also, these switches they're using, are they the same as the ones used in the fanatec sq 1.5? Better than the fanatec or about the same?
Leo Bodnar has suggested to do some settings in DI View but I haven't a clue what he means. I'll be honest, DI view is not a very user friendly tool. Lol I'll see if I can find that message.
I've been using the bdh nearly exclusively. I used the simvertex for about a few days or so and switched back to the bdh but can still heavily recommend either of them.
@@DouglasThompson I'm watching your video from 2 years ago when you received it lol any idea why the price fluctuates a lot even on Ali Express? Can I trust any source? I found one for cad850 plus free shipping which is way lower than the original store link prices... Getting me so skeptical man lol
@thinkrtank shipping prices have been pretty wild from what I know...I'm really hoping someone from another country doesn't win my pedal giveaway... lol
Ya, they are both really great, also I just saw that the Simvertex might have gone up in price temporarily. I reached out to Simvertex to see what the reason for this is, and if it's permanent.
No I don't have a Prosim. The only reason I include it in the conversation is because the bdh is also modeled after a quaife mechanism and my friend that owned a Prosim H-pattern actually prefers his bdh over the ProSim, I think he actually sold his ProSim recently...
@@DouglasThompson Well it is an H pattern shifter review. How could I not watch that till the end :) Hopefully I will get a beta test of an DIY shifter based on the ProSim mechanism, and if it sees the light of day as a 2 or 3 off product it was said that it will be some 350€ so I will most likely get one if I like the beta test and don't find any major weaknesses. At the moment still using G29 shifter that I converted to USB.
Really good comparison video. I'm happy with my current H, the Fanatec one. Even though I think the Simvertex would be a really nice upgrade, I think I stay put for now. I do not think I would prioritize funds for the BDH as of now. It looks amazing though! And I ofcourse saw R-VR's video when he got his also. Good times. Good racing gear :-)
Yes, the Fanatec one really is the best for that price range and the furthest I can recommend getting, price-wise for a more typical user that isn't completely insane like me...lol Just wait till BDH releases the "DT22" ;)
BDH is working on a budget friendly Fanatec competitor they say will blow away the Fanatec shifter for a similar price. They asked what they should name it and I figured since it's a smaller unit and their current name for the cylindrical shifter is the "Bazooka", I suggested they name the new smaller cheaper unit the 22, since .22 caliber ammunition is typically cheaper and smaller than most ammunition. So they said they would call it the "DT22" as in "Douglas Thompson 22" ;)
Every sim I can think of has mapable H-pattern. Only one I can think of that wouldn't is maybe assetto corsa competits or other single discipline games like f1.
@@DouglasThompson I said f-it and just bought the bdh. Must honestly say that its amazing. I've never had so much fun playing rally games before. The look and feel is just second to none! Are you still using the BDH?
@@thinkrtank991 I would imagine they would have no problems supporting the product for that long but I don't speak officially for them. I know if I needed a part right now, they would probably just send it to me. Are you good at building/fixing things typically?
@@DouglasThompson yeah I'm fairly technical. I just like to go for products with long warranty periods cause it generally says a lot about the product. I'm in this hobby for the long haul and I'd like my money to go as far as I can lol Sim coaches offers lifetime warranty for example and that's crazy and worth the investment.
@@DouglasThompson watched it my man . Wanted to ask , have you ever tried a newt ssh shifter and if so how does it compare to the ali one? i currently have the ali one and im happy with it tbh but just curious.
I have yet to try the newt but I have heard good things. I don't think it could be all that much better for the price point. I'd say until you feel the urge to drop at least 300+ you won't get a sizable performance gain.
You are using the BDH shifter in the wrong configuration. It is designed to be used with the tubing facing backwards. That’s why you were having those issues.
Can anyone doing a sim equipment review make it so that you can' actually hear what you're trying to say? Don't need the engine noise to drown out the info. That aside, absolutely excellent review.
@@DouglasThompson I don’t know why I wrote that !?! I’m 45yrs old for feck sake !! I just didn’t want to put 1st again !!! Great comparison review mate, i love the engineering of these items, especially the BDH, it’s a piece of art, put I can’t justify them price tags for what I use a H pattern shifter, I’ll stick with my fanatec v1.5 , it’s low on immersion but a pretty solid shifter !!! If my numbers ever come up then who knows ??? 👍
Hi there! Any comments on the Simvertex V7....integrated sequential shifter, and other improvements....
I don't have hands on with the newest iteration. I can only assume it's even better though. ;)
Liked and subscribed. One of the best comparison videos ive seen about these shifters. Are you planning to try out the new bdh h1sq shifter as well?
They had said they were going to send me a unit to review but I don't think it's on the table anymore for whatever reason. I will say the bash shifter is amazing. I bought one recently and it blew me away.
@@DouglasThompsonThanks! I just added myself to a wait-list for the bash. Will keep looking at my options.
@dannyny730 it's the most satisfying shifter made today imo. The bdh feels amazing and so does the simvertex but the bash is in a league it's own.
@@DouglasThompson thanks for the recommendation. I'll definitely use your feedback as to what I should buy as you have tried them all. I hope the wait-list doesn't take too long. I'm in no rush but would like to have something soon. I have the rest of my rig sitting in boxes.
I think mine was several months bit worth it.
I'm dead, he said you can emulate how sticky the gears on your real car are. I definitely don't want the same feel my VAG gearbox has going into 1st and 2nd, trust me on that haha.
Lol it's an option though! ;)
Hey! You were able to comment finally!!!
Interesting comparison. I had a Thrustmaster and two Fanatecs before I got my ProSim. I’d like to try some other shifters like the BDH but I’m so pleased with the ProSim I don’t wanna make the effort or wait months and months for a BDH.
What’s the weight limit for that motion rig? Can you really notice a difference in performance if you put the cover on BDH?
This is a question I get asked often with my real cars. I took out every single thing that wasn't necessary to the basic function of my WRX's. You can't look at any one piece as an individual item, think about everything as a whole and you begin to realize it's the mentality of saving weight that saves you weight rather than just taking things off here and there. I removed hundreds of pounds off my bolt ons only 04 WRX and I smoke STI's because of the power to weight ratio.
My 06 wrx is even more aggressively gutted and has the increased engine performance to boot. ;)
Weight is extremely important but to answer your question point blank...no I can't feel that difference but it seemed unnecessary for my personal use. ;)
Just received my bdh, love it, but having the same 2nd to 3rd issues you had. I’m going to try and adjust mine as you indicate here. Any tips on the best approach to trimming that nub - is it removable or do you have to do it in place?
You can use a small wrench on the flats near the base of each nub. Just sand or file a tiny bit at a time until it's perfect. Mine no longer does that at all.
Great review.. by the way what is the handbrake that you are using in the video?
The heusinkveld V1. :) Thank you!
Really interesting review mate!👍
If it haven't changed with high demand, I could tell Dave and Billy what shape I wanted for my knob.
And I also have controller issues with RBR and Forza games, but that goes for most of my gear, not only the BDH. I play most sims and games on the market, and those two games are the only one I have issues with when it comes to the BDH.
Thank you much for sharing! I didn't know there were different knob options. I hope I was clear in the video that BDH being a custom-type operation, it's easily doable to make small changes like threading and basic knob shaped. On videos I've seen, the teardrop knob didn't look as small as it actually is in real life.
Part of me wants to review the product as it would normally come from BDH but in retrospect, I would definitely want an M12 1.25 threaded shift rod so I could pop on any of my knobs from my real cars. It's something I didn't even think to ask but if someone forgets to ask (cough me) it's nice to know what the standard setup feels like.
Luckily I'm not into Forza games, and I kind of feel like the type of person that is willing to spend this much on a single piece of gear won't be looking for the type of experience Forza offers, although I have heard it's a lot of fun and it would be nice to have it work flawlessly with all games.
Overall, as we both know, it's an amazing shifter and is definitely worth the money for those that prioritize feel over anything else. :)
@@DouglasThompson Could be that I picked to get a aluminum knob, that they could custom make it for me?
Yeah Forza games can be fun, but a bit on the arcady side for my liking, mostly bought them to play with my kids.
I have the BDH you tried and now the new HSQ which has Hal sensors now.
I haven’t made my mind up yet which H shift I like best there very similar but new feels more accurate to me and of course you have the option of sequential
I'd say go for the new one, it is a more solid tech with the new sensors and the extra functionality means it's more versatile.
@@DouglasThompson just going to keep both but I now prefer new one
Thanks for your experience with these shifters. It sounds like BDH for the win if price is no object.
Definitely, not to take away from the awesome design and function of the Simvertex because it really is still a great feeling shifter.
i remember seeing you measure the distance between neutral to gear 3 or gear 4. any idea whats the distance for the simvertex?
If I can remember when I get home I'll measure for you but I have cut the rod so it is no longer standard, if that affects what info you are trying to gather.
@@DouglasThompson yes I've tried the original simvertex and it's way too long.
I prefer a slightly shorter throw but not as short as the bdh. I remember your video show bdh is 2.5cm. then u measured the simvertex. Watched a few but can't seem to find the part. Haha
Would you also help measure the side distance, gear 1 and gear 3 or gear 3 to gear 5. That will be helpful
Ya, let me measure that right now
A little bit under 3 inches sid to side with my cut shaft from the center of the ball.
@@DouglasThompson side to side do u mean gear 1 and gear 5?
Doug, thanks again for all your input bro. I ordered a simvertex but I just read somewhere the switches they use are bad? Any thoughts on that? Or if you have any negative thoughts that would not make it a good buy please let me know.
They are probably referring to the fact that all mechanical switches have the potential to fail. As in they are not using hall effect sensor technology.
@@DouglasThompson Fair enough but then the question is are there any shifters that use hall effect sensors? Also, these switches they're using, are they the same as the ones used in the fanatec sq 1.5? Better than the fanatec or about the same?
Good stuff bud, I think this shifter will me by next big buy but I’ll hang off until they’ve sorted the issues with RBR.
Leo Bodnar has suggested to do some settings in DI View but I haven't a clue what he means. I'll be honest, DI view is not a very user friendly tool. Lol
I'll see if I can find that message.
Nice! Glad you made this comparison with detail
Me too! :) Very happy with both honestly
“Oh I don’t know what he said, I don’t know what I said!”
Lol did I say that?
@@DouglasThompson5:03
Oh lol that's because the co-driver is my voice.
Hey Doug. Back again after almost a year to ask which shifter are you using? How is the simvertex holding up so far?
I've been using the bdh nearly exclusively. I used the simvertex for about a few days or so and switched back to the bdh but can still heavily recommend either of them.
@@DouglasThompson ok thank you. I'm stuck choosing between the vertex and frex+ right now. Lol
@@thinkrtank991 simvertex all day between those two.
@@DouglasThompson I'm watching your video from 2 years ago when you received it lol any idea why the price fluctuates a lot even on Ali Express? Can I trust any source? I found one for cad850 plus free shipping which is way lower than the original store link prices... Getting me so skeptical man lol
@thinkrtank shipping prices have been pretty wild from what I know...I'm really hoping someone from another country doesn't win my pedal giveaway... lol
Great comparison! That BHD is awesome and a real showpiece. That being said I’m happy I went with my simvertex price to performance wise.
Ya, they are both really great, also I just saw that the Simvertex might have gone up in price temporarily. I reached out to Simvertex to see what the reason for this is, and if it's permanent.
How much did you buy yours for if you don't mind me asking.
@@DouglasThompson 650 from aliexpress in September. Regular version without the extra gear add on thing.
@@Theoloop nevermind I just found a listing for 650 with the newest model.
@@DouglasThompson probably resellers then.
Can you do a 2022 richards burns setup video with what mods to use and stuff. Love the content! Keep it up
I use Richard Burns Rally pro and all the mods are preinstalled. ;)
@@DouglasThompson oh okay thanks. I think i found the link
that Sim Vertex is so slick. beautiful piece of kit
It really is, they are both beautiful though. I compare the Simvertex to a modern sports car and the bdh to a classic more round bodied sports car.
Bonsoir mec j'ai acheter la boîte bdh mais la 5em et marché arrière a du mal a fonctionné tu sais comment régler cela
Trouble engaging? Like going into gear or some other issue? If you take the little circle plate off you can make some adjustments there.
does that make the pro-sim your second backup?
No I don't have a Prosim. The only reason I include it in the conversation is because the bdh is also modeled after a quaife mechanism and my friend that owned a Prosim H-pattern actually prefers his bdh over the ProSim, I think he actually sold his ProSim recently...
All manual cars that ive driven irl has actually had quite a lot of that play, not a one actual race car tho might be different there.
Have you owned any sports cars?
Daggle does Oppo Feebs to Fakie.
I think I really should take some time and learn manual, Bhop and fakie...
Manuals really hurt my bad knee I had surgery on...I have tried to learn them many times but it's just not worth the pain...
Also, thank you very much for watching! ;)
@@DouglasThompson Well it is an H pattern shifter review. How could I not watch that till the end :) Hopefully I will get a beta test of an DIY shifter based on the ProSim mechanism, and if it sees the light of day as a 2 or 3 off product it was said that it will be some 350€ so I will most likely get one if I like the beta test and don't find any major weaknesses. At the moment still using G29 shifter that I converted to USB.
Really good comparison video. I'm happy with my current H, the Fanatec one. Even though I think the Simvertex would be a really nice upgrade, I think I stay put for now. I do not think I would prioritize funds for the BDH as of now. It looks amazing though! And I ofcourse saw R-VR's video when he got his also.
Good times. Good racing gear :-)
Yes, the Fanatec one really is the best for that price range and the furthest I can recommend getting, price-wise for a more typical user that isn't completely insane like me...lol
Just wait till BDH releases the "DT22" ;)
@@DouglasThompson Oh God, I want one of those fancy DT22. And I don't even know what it is!
BDH is working on a budget friendly Fanatec competitor they say will blow away the Fanatec shifter for a similar price. They asked what they should name it and I figured since it's a smaller unit and their current name for the cylindrical shifter is the "Bazooka", I suggested they name the new smaller cheaper unit the 22, since .22 caliber ammunition is typically cheaper and smaller than most ammunition. So they said they would call it the "DT22" as in "Douglas Thompson 22" ;)
@@DouglasThompson Any news about the DT22? :) Sounds really nice having a BDH shifter at the Fanatec price point...
@@manuelp4832 lol I'd love to know more but no updates yet. ;)
Finally someone comparing it to a real car
I would think that's common? Thank you
I've driven some cars where the stick just flopped side to side.
Same lol
I need these. Great review man!!!
Both great options!!! Thank you
How is the BDH now that you've had more time with it?
Still feels great! haven't felt the urge to go back to my Simvertex yet. ;)
Can someone tell me which sims and which cars still use an H pattern?? I love to buy one but it seems like a dying breed. smh.
Every sim I can think of has mapable H-pattern. Only one I can think of that wouldn't is maybe assetto corsa competits or other single discipline games like f1.
Even if you just played assetto, it would be worth it to own one if you enjoy driving older cars. :)
@@DouglasThompson I said f-it and just bought the bdh. Must honestly say that its amazing. I've never had so much fun playing rally games before. The look and feel is just second to none! Are you still using the BDH?
I am indeed! Love it still as well! Great choice
Simvertex VS. Simagic ds-8x pls
I reached out to the distributor and they submitted the request. Hoping to hear back from them soon.
Ds8x feels like a heavy duty full metal Logitech. There's no realism at all in ds8x. Vnm was much more real.
Soon you'll feel the play in the shifter to know what gear your in just by the feel of it.
What shifter are you referring to,
@@DouglasThompson the one with the white handle.
Bonjour c'est quel jeux de rally? Mon amie et la boîte bdh est t elle bien ? Combien de vitesse a t elle ai total
ya the BDH feels great for rally and besides a few issues here and there I am very happy with it. the microswitches are still the biggest weak point.
@@DouglasThompson du mal au passage de vitesse la boîte et neuf
This thing is starting to grow on me not gonna lie (The Simvertex)
. Curious though, what kind of warranty does it come with?
I'm actually not sure but if you run into any problems the company is great with customer service.
@@DouglasThompson Fair enough. It's most likely one year but I'm trying to find gear that has 2 or more years on their warranty.
@@thinkrtank991 I would imagine they would have no problems supporting the product for that long but I don't speak officially for them. I know if I needed a part right now, they would probably just send it to me. Are you good at building/fixing things typically?
@@DouglasThompson yeah I'm fairly technical. I just like to go for products with long warranty periods cause it generally says a lot about the product. I'm in this hobby for the long haul and I'd like my money to go as far as I can lol Sim coaches offers lifetime warranty for example and that's crazy and worth the investment.
@@thinkrtank991 what is sim coaches? For like training?
The best per dollar is the aliexpress h pattern shifter. For less than 100 you will be surprised.
:) I did a review on that.
@@DouglasThompson watched it my man . Wanted to ask , have you ever tried a newt ssh shifter and if so how does it compare to the ali one? i currently have the ali one and im happy with it tbh but just curious.
I have yet to try the newt but I have heard good things. I don't think it could be all that much better for the price point. I'd say until you feel the urge to drop at least 300+ you won't get a sizable performance gain.
You are using the BDH shifter in the wrong configuration. It is designed to be used with the tubing facing backwards. That’s why you were having those issues.
That's not the case. These are custom made as you know I had mine configured a specific way.
Also I corrected the issues and it was a simple adjustment bdh had forgotten to do before it was shipped. :)
Can anyone doing a sim equipment review make it so that you can' actually hear what you're trying to say? Don't need the engine noise to drown out the info. That aside, absolutely excellent review.
Whoops
Спасибо! Что это за трасса?
Damn...I forgot what stage, if I run into it again I will try to post the name here
I would love to try one of those
Highly recommended, the both of them.
Hmmmm tough choice this one.
Indeed...
Can I simulate my broken 3rd gear syncro in my real car?😜
With the bash h pattern you could. This one you'd have to sacrifice 3rd and 4th since they are adjusted in pairs.
The correct answer is the BASH Pro shifter. 😁
@@Gorilla_Jones YES!!! ITS AWESOME!
Great video
Thank you Jason!
Lason, it autocorrected...lol
"Daggle does Oppo Feebs to Fakie" :-D
Ya!!! Thank you!
Daggle does Oppo Feebs to Fakie :D
Thank you so much man!
The BDH build quality for the price seems to be very poor. You can actually pop out the stick out of the socket? LoL
It's very robust in normal use.
Blatt, blatt, blah
Lol
@@DouglasThompson I don’t know why I wrote that !?! I’m 45yrs old for feck sake !! I just didn’t want to put 1st again !!!
Great comparison review mate, i love the engineering of these items, especially the BDH, it’s a piece of art, put I can’t justify them price tags for what I use a H pattern shifter, I’ll stick with my fanatec v1.5 , it’s low on immersion but a pretty solid shifter !!!
If my numbers ever come up then who knows ??? 👍
You wrote that because you thought it would be funny and it was. ;)
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@@richardthompson7611 lol