I went mirrorless first (Fuji X, Fuji GFX and Nikon Zf) and then went back to shooting film and all of a sudden realized how much I like having an OVF and having less technical distractions (i.e. a million options, a touch screen and all that jazz). Last thing I want these days is to have to look at another screen! So just got a D850 on the latest Nikon sale. It will probably be my only digital camera (also for scanning) and I love that I can use the same lenses on both my Nikon film camera and the D850. Now I need to go get some more Zeiss glass 😁
You are right, both my D850 and D810 hold me back from leaving the F-mount system for the Z-mount. Although the Z9 has more of my interest than the Z8, I am not dying to own one the same way I was with the D850. I bought my D810 about four years ago in like-new condition (1657 shutter actuations) with the MB-D12 battery grip all for $1600 before taxes. Although I wanted a D850, the prices were still high and there was no way I couldn't pass on the D810. I love that camera - so much so I thought, "You know what? This camera is really good. Maybe I don't need a D850. This is all I need" Then in October of 2021 I was checking out MPB for fun. After seeing a ton of cameras in like-new and excellent condition from other brands I decide to look at how much D850s were fetching for. A huge mistake. Well, the camera I wanted for so long was looking more obtainable and it was on my radar again. Long story short I saved on a copy with just about 3k shutter actuations and haven't looked into other cameras because like you pointed out - it is the only camera I feel I need. Because I love having a vertical grip (bought the MB-D18 to accompany my D850) Z9 might be an option in several years as prices are easier to digest. That being said, I love the combination of my two D8xx cameras and 105mm f/1.4E ED and 70-200mm f/2.8E FL lenses. I love having an OVF especially when shooting in a studio where I underexpose for my strobes - I am not sure if the mirrorless experience is for me yet... unless there is a studio setting that allows the EVF to be bright despite underexposing for the off camera flash. That being said, I friggin love the D850. It does everything I want and need at such a high level.
I find the mirrorless camera WAY easier in the studio, but I would bother if I were you. You’re rocking and rolling with some excellent cameras and lenses and it makes you happy! I don’t worry about resale value, future new or used price, or any of that, when I find something that fits me, I run it until it’s dead, or until half it’s shutter life is reached. Keep shooting and creating with the stuff you love! THAT is what matters
@@ZWadePhoto Exactly! I have put both cameras through their paces! It’s been an awesome experience. That being said, mirrorless cameras way easier in the studio? Do you think you may tackle this idea for an upcoming video? I do not know of any videos that are aimed at the studio photographer as most videos are “real world” shooting.
The main advantage of mirrorless for someone with a compromised eyesight like mine is in manual focus, otherwise, I am so used to the light meter and how it reacts to different light sources and under different conditions that I rarely, if at all, get issues with my exposure. It's a very different story when it comes to MF, as the viewfinder is never large enough to get me to make out fine details that are further away than macro distances up to 1 meter max. This issue is eliminated in mirrorless with the capability to zoom inside the EVF. Of course, you can also digitally zoom in on the rear LCD of a DSLR to fine tune manual focus; however, you'd have to take the shot with the rear screen then because the focus distance will change when you put the OVF back on your eye. Otherwise, if you are not bitten by the GAS and clinical sharpness bugs, the F system has some incredible glass options that can take award-winning shots. I still very much shoot my DSLRs and the D850 is unmatched in the DSLR world.
I have a Z5 but I will never give up my D850 or any other f mount camera or lens. Why choose when you can use both systems. As a matter of fact I am going to get another D850 this week💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for your video content. I'm a new subscriber to your channel. It was this past May 2023 that I finally moved to a mirrorless camera by getting the Z5. It is a great camera and despite it's burst rate and crop on the 4k video, I love the results of the images. I bought it a great price for less than $800. I also got deep discounts on three of my four Z lenses. It was a no-brainer. I also bought a full frame DSLR this past May as well and that's the D610. It is still a fantastic camera to shoot with. I also bought together with a 50mm f 1.4g lens and the battery grip for $600. Is it a D850? Not even close. Is it still a great camera to use? Absolutely. Keep up the great work.
I got my D850 the year it launched. In 2020 I bought a Z6 specifically to be able to shoot quietly. I still have and use both. My heart is with the D850 though. I only use the Z6 for events where I need to shoot quietly. I’m an OVF guy. I’ve shot Lumix and Nikon mirrorless. I do not plan to convert to ML.
Hi Zwade you must know by now Chuck is MIA. He's having some health issues hence no live streams for 10 days. Vahagn or Moz has some details. Hope he gets better.
My first camera was the D7000, then moved to a D800, then to the D810 and on to the D850 - all trade-ups. What moved me from the DX to FX, was more a function of IQ/DR. At the time the D800 had superior IQ/DR over the D7000 (of course). The D810/850 leveraged ISO 64 as well as electronic front curtain shutter. This became essential for what I was photographing. The 36MP/45MP were a bonus. Let me take a step back here, I shot the 2017 TSE using the D810 and knew I made the right choice, yet a few months after that the D850 came out and traded up. But now, with the 2024 eclipse not too far off, I started to prep for that event, testing the D850 for it's high FPS capability etc. I found some issues with using live view for silent shooting and then made the decision to move to the Nikon Z9. Perfect for the job. The Z9 (or the Z8 - for those who purchased it) will help me achieve high-fps with ability to get silent / perfectly still image capture, which is essential for total solar eclipse when it transitions from partial to full - many eclipse features to capture.
As a frequent supporter of this channel, and Z Wade, I feel obligated to add to the TH-cam algorhythmia. Discussions around the D850 vs. Z9/Z8/Z7ii really have no meaning unless you shoot sports, action, or wildlife - as I do, and/or love to shoot wide open with ultra fast primes or telephotos. I'll make my recommendations short and based on only a few factors. Lets keep the megapixel count constant. Advantages Mirrorless: Hybrid shooter needing flexibility in Video - big advantage Nikon Mirrorless. Frame rate - big advantage Nikon mirrorless. WYSIWYG exposure and DOF - advantage Nikon Mirrorless. Faster AF speed / accuracy - Advantage Nikon mirrorless. Blackout free shooting: Advantage mirrorless. Silent shooting, pre-capture, edge to edge AF point coverage, Auto-capture, programmability, Sensor shield, IBIS - Nikon Mirrorless. Nikon lens lineup - Nikon mirrorless that can make use of all lenses available except screw drive. Buffer: Nikon Mirrorless with stack sensor and CF Express B cards. Future Support: Nikon Mirrorless. DSLR D850: Advantages - slightly better DR compared to Z8/Z9, but less than Z7ii. Card options XQD/CFE B/SD - cheaper D850. IQ: essentially the same. Weight - camera dependent and vertical grip dependent. Expense: Advantage D850. I own the D700, D500, D850, and Z9 (D700 was only a few hundred dollars used, D500 on sale used). I love the D850, but for sports, action, wildlife - the new Nikon Mirrorless additions have changed their ecosystem dramatically. One more example in something I shoot occasionally - portraits. The speed at which my Nikkor 200mm f/2 finds the eye for outdoor portraits or indoor ice hockey or finds the eye with the 105mm f/1.4 - makes it far easier to get those shots without fatiguing your subject or the camera operator. Even for landscape (something I did yesterday at sunset) the ability to dial in the exposure I wanted using Aperture, shutter speed, maintaining low ISO was far faster with mirrorless. The one place I disagree with you, Z Wade - by the way - love your new video review format - nicely done - is buying a D5/D6. The AF accuracy and speed lag those of the Z8/Z9. Where they are better is the low light performance secondary to lower pixel pitch and lower megapixel count. Yet, they are right up there in price and weight and limited by no Z glass. I'm sure someone out there will need one of them, but not the majority of viewers. Keep the good stuff coming. Hard these days on TH-cam to educate, stay true to your vision, and get viewership. More power to you, Man!
Right on my friend. I ONLY recommend a DSLR these days, including D5 D6, if people have already tried and hate the Mirrorless experience. Me personally, i love it, never going back, but people are people for weird people reasons. Lol. If cost is no concern, definitely rent a Z9/Z8 before buying anything, I’ll argue that it eats best DSLRs ever lunch not even trying haha
@@ZWadePhoto Too funny my friend, and I see your point. What I would say, Z Wade, and I know you understand this, is I've seen people get very frustrated by the Z9/Z8 learning curve and go back to their D850 for a while. Admittedly, it took me a while - including the FW updates - to get very comfortable with choosing what mode when. Sometimes, the DSLR feels less difficult just to take a photo - (i.e. Program mode) vs full on manual. For those people, I frequently try and talk them off the ledge or tell them to try Sony or Canon. I do understand why they feel that way. I'm a scientist by trade - with lots of art in my family - so I get it and will not let technology get the better of me. That said, not everyone feels that way. I can see why people get frustrated. I am sure f/stops, frame rates and shutter angle, DOF, Angle of View, Field of view, diffraction and aberration is enough to make someone put a camera down. Have a great July 4th!
I agree with every word. I own the D850 and it is still a mighty machine. No, it doesn't track as well as many mirrorless on the market but if the goal is great photos shot in nearly all lighting conditions, it's hard to beat. Plus, its dynamic range is nearly unmatchable. If something happened to mine, I'd buy it again based on how I shot. However, I must mention it's near equal crop sensor brother, the D500. The D500 has most of the D850's guts and honestly... on any given day, is ready to take the fight to the admittedly superior D850. If the D850 is a 10, the D500, is a 9. It's actually an incredible value as well, plus shoots more fps and ever so slightly, lighter.
That is exactly why people are screaming for a replacement in the Z mount. The D500 wasn't necessarily a smash hit at first, but over time, became a Nikon favorite. Give it the right guts and price, it'll be mighty. But, with the Z8 being the same guts as the Z9, I am recently puzzled as to what guts to give a D500 replacement haha.
@@yimikyrabo1287 I am sure you are right but I am replacing a Fuji GF so smaller printing sizes won’t work for me and for fun I want an F6/F100/F4 (not sure which one yet). I have a 35-year old Nikon N2000 which I still love but it’s hard to focus on it so the newer film cameras might work better with the D850 for me.
It's understandable that some are reluctant to transition to mirrorless since they don't want to give up their Nikon screwdrive lenses, which provide fantastic 3D pop straight out of the camera in a way that mirrorless lenses cannot. The Nikon D850 is the greatest camera for older F mount lenses since it has contemporary features like focus peaking and a back-lit sensor, as well as the ability to manually and automatically focus every F mount lens known to man.
No DSLR D850 hyperbole here...RIGHT! Let's just start with the statement "The Nikon D850 is the greatest camera for older F-mount lenses" compared to what? Low light performance? NOPE. AF Speed and accuracy? NOPE. It's not even the best Nikon DSLR for AF Speed, accuracy, and low light performance (D6). My F-mount lenses focus much faster, more accurately, and provide better results on my Z9 than they ever did on the D850. The Z9 has better focus peaking as well and a "back-side" illuminated sensor. The D850 can't "manually and automatically focus every F mount lens known to man". I would love to see it "automatically focus" manual focus f-mount glass. Oh, by the way, you can manually focus those screw drive lenses on the Z mount FTZii adapter - they just won't autofocus - and they will still have 3D pop - which is a topic for another day. Stay in Oz if you want to, Dorothy, but you may find when you click your ruby red slippers, your not in Kansas anymore.
@@dance2jam First and foremost, I said unequivocally that it is about micro contrast, "pop," or a 3D look, not AF speed or low light, as you injected and proposed into the conversation. And, without a doubt, Nikon G lenses perform better on mirrorless cameras, as any Nikon user with an FTZ adapter can attest, since the difference is so evident that even a kid can detect it. Second, Nikon's AF-D lenses, which include several of the company's most well-known and regarded lenses, such as the "defocus control" portrait lenses, the Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 lens, and the 28mm 1.4 D lens, cannot autofocus on a Nikon mirrorless camera. To recap, Nikon has not created a screwdriver lens adapter for the Nikon Z system, thus your claims are invalid since not everyone shoots action or video.
Without getting into the weeds here, bottom line is if you shoot a lot of screw drive lenses and want AF with them, and you want a back side illuminated sensor, and you shoot Nikon - then stick with the only camera that gives you that, and to my knowledge, that would be the D850. But please, let us not confuse two terms which have little to do with each other - except in macro/micro photography - and this subject. First, define micro-contrast. Since there is no set definition, I'll give you one: Something demonstrating tonal separation, color accuracy, and acutance (Sharpness). In many cases - if not most outside of macro - this has nothing to do with dimensionality. Want proof? Take an image you photographed with a DC lens (i.e. the 105 f/2) that you think shows terrific "dimensionality" or 3D pop (which is different yet from dimensionality - but I'll save that for later) - and take the clarity down to zero and desaturate the image. You've now taken out color accuracy and sharpness - and I bet the image still reveals dimensionality. There are many examples of newer lenses (Zeiss 135 sonar APO) with 11 elements beating a lower element count Nikon 85 mm f 1.4 or f 1.8 - at any aperture in microcontrast because they better correct for CA. The Nikon 70-200 E FL ED has over 20 elements, yet has excellent micro-contrast, . The Nikon 24-70 f.2.8 tends to render flat - compared to the 24-120 which is demonstrates less micro contrast, and is less sharp, but renders more consistently with dimensionality. Angle is more important to 3D pop than micro contrast. Also important is how a lens renders round structures. Some lenses have this characteristic, some lenses do not. POP, the way I define it, is the emphasis on the main subject against a weaker background. You can achieve pop with sunlight or flash yielding strong contrast between subject and background. Good pop is not mutually inclusive of dimensionality. So, in summary on these terms, Micro contrast does not necessarily equate to dimensionality, which does not equate to 3D Pop. To lump them together is to really reduce the tonality, accuracy, and acutance of the subject itself. Pop depends on the lens, angle, and strength of subject to background - not micro contrast (in non macro images). Current lenses - that have the potential to correct for CA - should in theory have better micro contrast and sharpness - but not necessarily 3D Pop or dimensionality. To quote Gerald, "I'm Done".
@@dance2jamThere is nothing wrong with disagreeing and seeing things quite differently since beauty is in the eye of the beholder and one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Love my D850 and the Holy Trinity of F Glass. Now with the Z9 I am collecting the Z Holy Trinity and more. With 85 Nikon pieces in my bag I am starting to thin the herd. Running out of storage space. 🤣🤣🤣Good video Z!
To quote Three Blind Men and an Elephant. The D850 is the best dslr ever created.....so what. Like you pointed out the industry is driving to mirrorless. I was one of the people who was like as a studio shooter, I don't see the advantages. Then I got the Z6 for travel and now I'm all in. I'm keeping my D800 because it's amazing, but mirrorless has definitely improved my workflow for outdoor work and not having to deal with clustered af points in the middle. Means no longer having to focus and recompose.
Right on Blubravery! I was a short holdout, once I gave mirrorless a try I switched 100%. Almost did F and Z mount for a second, the. I had a gear meltdown haha
I've placed enough comments on this thread, so I won't rehash them here. But to quote your quote of 3BM&E - who cares. First, that is a subjective statement. Second, I could have the best 8 track tape player in the world - what good is it now? Maybe some if it still works - try getting replacement parts. How often you playing those DVDs, LDs, or playing the cassette tapes or reel to reel? I left vinyl out because, well, too much to get into. Let's just say, if your DSLR works for you - no need to change. But as you pointed out - if you like WYSIWYG in Exposure and DOF - if you like the many other features current mirrorless is offering - there is really no going back - if you need (or want) the technology - and can afford it.
@@dance2jam if the tech works better for you, definitely. But I think many people just buy it based on hype not really being able to evaluate pros and cons. That is what happened to me and as I learn more I am going back in time camera-wise. I much prefer the older tech and will probably shoot mostly film from now.
@@nanoulandia That made me smile. Back in time or forward? lol. Yes, I get it. Pick the tool that works for what you do, or the one you like working (or playing) with. For me, personally, the subject detection AF, while not perfect, works amazingly well - especially when shooting wide open at shallow DOF. Just last weekend I was out with friends showing them how I would shoot an "Old Western Town" at night when two women tried to photo bomb the shot. I switched lenses while explaining I'd take their photo, but in better light (down an alley light by incandescent lights) to a Wine/Cheese bar - which is where they came from after celebrating something. With the Nikon 105mm f1.4 @ f4.5, ISO 5000 I took about 8 shots in 2-3 minutes (not sure they could stay still for more). Eyes were sharp and I sent them the photos. Point is, for me, shooting that with my DSLR (spontaneous street scene at night) would have taken a lot longer...Love the fact you're going back to film. Thanks for the comment.
@@dance2jam You will definitely get more shots with newer tech, but I stopped taking pictures for the sake of taking pictures. If it's not a picture that means something to me, I don't care if I miss it or can't take it. And for the ones I do care to take for my projects, I want them to have some character and not look like any other shot on Instagram. I think the biggest issue with newer tech is just that, everything ends up looking the same (which is not a personal comment on your work!). Enjoy your camera, they are all lovely.
Thanks for your thoughts. This is really difficult. I'm not in one professional or advanced position to conclude. And I'm not in contact with photographers. If the f glass is faster on Z8 or, d850 than Z6 Z7. I don't have 4000 dollars for camera now. I'm totally okay.They are amazing value I know. But I admire. I take care off children. . So I will not use f glass. Actually really I don't know. I'm not sure about those things. It's subjective, personal. . I'd like seeing one 58 1.4 pc e .with af. Long focus throw ö infinity marc. I imagine it could be interesting. Çoud.be macro? I made prototype with clay once in my life.
This is the first comment that actually makes a lot of sense. For you, my two cents. First: Budget counts. Do not outspend your means. Photography is your hobby. It should destress you. Not add to your stress. I own the D850 and Z9. If your budget allows, a excellent condition D850 is going for 1,700 dollars. Not cheap, but not Z8/Z9 expensive. When you are ready, there will be used Z8s and Z9s. The next best thing will come along and you can decide if it's worth it. I will say that for me - the mirrorless system makes things easier and more efficient. Yes, there are images you can capture more easily on the higher end cameras with pre--capture and auto capture that it would be very hard to do with a DSLR. I made a list of 25 features I wanted in a mirrorless camera before I made the jump. They arrived in the Z9, so I leaped and never looked back - and I'm very happy I did. That said, the D850 is a wonderful camera and for goodness sakes, still works. Olympus and Fujifilm make some awesome cameras. So does Sony and Canon. Lots of choices so let your budget for camera body and lenses be your guide and don't worry about anyone else. Just enjoy photography.
I never got a D850 because I had a D700 and a D800. I don’t plan on getting rid of them either. Just got a Z8 and while learning it managed to get some close up shots of some bees and a ladybug. All I can say is wow! The autofocus with 3D tracking is insane and I could have never gotten these shots with either of my DSLR’s. Both still great for portraits or landscapes.
I could be wrong, but I think after continued use (if tracking isn't upgraded) that 3D is far less reliable than WA custom done right. It works well on slow moving, close in subjects, but is not very reliable otherwise. I've been using the Z9 for 1 1/2 years and even with FW 4.0, I prefer tracking with a custom WA than 3D. Where 3D is very helpful, is for a bird on a branch that is jumping around a bit. Otherwise, if Wide Area Custom 1x1 box w/subject detection turned on or off quickly - will be better. That's my opinion for what I shoot.
@@dance2jam actually my settings were AF-C, wide area S with animal detect and back button. I set the front Fn 1 button to 3D tracking. Just learning, but this gave me pretty much every shot in focus including the ones where it took off flying. I also used the 24-120 f4 and this is cropped a-lot. Having fun learning this new camera.
@@edwardekman9832 I'm all for what ever works for you. Sounds like you are well on your way. Just saying that I have found for humans and animals 3D is not predicable - it will jump at the worst times to background, foreground, reflections, etc. I do use it for animals close and not moving fast. Most used modes are the custom Wide Areas. The more focused you make them, the faster the eye auto-detection kicks in. For Ice Hockey, I use a tall, sort of skinny box - and it picks the player up quickly and tracks the eye. For stuff around the net, I focus on the goalie and use 3D to try and keep it there. For birds on water (landing, tacking off) I use a long, skinny box. For something where eye detection will be hard (small black skimmer chicks that look like the sand they lay in - to no contrast - I use the Custom WA 1 (1x1) box and turn off animal eye detect (DISP button programmed for recall shooting animal eye detect) - and use it as single point. 3D is reserved for single thing close by, but moving. slowly. Good luck and enjoy!
I own multiple Sony/Panasonic full frame mirrorless cameras which are nice but I prefer the bulk and style of a dslr and just bought a d850 and d500 and Pentax k1 in 2023 .. I shoot fashion and headshots . I’ll keep my mirrorless for video . But use my dslrs exclusively for stills .
Just to correct one thing you said the D850 wasn’t the first dslr to score a 100 at DXOMark, that was the Pentax 645Z in 2015 with a 101. They then removed it from their site until someone outscored it then they put it back up. Many thoughts on why it was done, we probably will never know the full story though.
*I own them all D850, D810, D3s, Z6/Z6ii Z7/Z7ii and Z8. I'll just say if you're not into shooting video via (auto focus) and you add a lens with VR/VC to the D850 you're pretty much future proof... *The D850 requires your attention to detail. I mean you can own one for nostalgia. but if you're serious you're gonna want a monopod/tripod just to assure you're handling the smallest amount of camera shake. *As far as sports: just invest in the EL-18 battery and you're at 9fps and that's still pretty good because the 3D tracking is solid..
Do you get the same feel from the images coming out of Z8 as D850? I used to own a D750 and now with Sony. Want to get back to Nikon. But not sure if I should get a D850 or Z8. If Z8 images(Z mirrorless) are very clinical then I will better go with D850. Thanks much.
@@ZWadePhoto I still like the files from my D850 better. But the modern day Nikons are make a strong case to switch. I don't need four (4) 45 megapixel cameras but I also see the need to get rid of either of them. I personally think the z system nails focus much better. But the d850 files are cleaner.
I have a D850 and D800 I never get rid of it it the best camera I’ve ever owned plus I have a lots of F mount lenses the only Z I be interested in is the new Z8 but for now I sticking with my DSLR
I bought used D850 couple weeks ago. Camera in exellent condition for 1/4 price of Z8. Z system is just very expensive. And that is not only Z8 but you have to change all F monut lenses. It doesnt make any sense.
Cameras now are very expensive, but in comparison to the other brands, Nikon mirrorless is the "bang for your buck option" with cameras, and lenses, and their lenses are still top among the big three in my opinion. Thanks for helping the algos!
If you already own some F glass...absolutely. Obviously, I wouldn't recommend getting into the F mount today. That said...I will NEVER sell my D850 or D500. Too much nostalgia around both of those cameras
Well that certainly is an emotional statement (heart over head). ;-) Unless you think the D850 someday will sell like the original NOCT 58mm with character. Those were rare lenses though. I do think it's a bit of an over-reach to say "I wouldn't get into f-mount glass today". First, there is no replacement yet - or on the horizon for TS/PC lenses - or even ultra wide lenses. There is no real replacement for the look of the 105mm f/1.4 or the 200mm f/2.0 or the 300mm f/2.8 - or similar lenses. I could be wrong, but I don't even think that Nikon, Canon, or Sony are likely to ever make a 200mm f/2 or f/1.8 again. Too much of a specialty lens and too heavy. Even if they shaved 2 lbs off it and added a 2x TC it would still weigh 4.5 lbs - too heavy and expensive for wedding shooters. I could be wrong. They did choose to make the Z mount, 58 mm f0.95 manual focus only NOCT - turn a profit on that did we?
@@dance2jam Well said. 100% agree. Have equal nostalgia for plenty of f mount glass to the point I've bought some of it twice after missing it too much having initially sold it.
@@NikonDave You're a good man. You know I was only, in fun, pulling your leg a little. I'm crazy, and I know it. I own the 105mm f/1.4 and last year purchased a used 200mm f/2. After getting the 200mm, I thought "wow, this is a beast". The IQ was awesome and the look, unmistakable. It was the 105 on steroids. Then, when the newness wore off, I thought - "Am I really going to use this much?" - and then I forced myself to use it every week for lots of different things: Sports. Action. Wildlife. Shocking, but I love this lens. Just yesterday I got a wildlife shot my friends with Sony A1 and Canon R3 zooms could not get - because of light. They all looked at my 200mm f/2 shot on the back of the LCD and the "WOW" just left their lips. My Canon friend wants to shoot with it now. My hockey shots with it landed me some work. I'm an amateur, but I'm having a blast with photography - and I love learning and challenging. I must say that the Z9 has made lenses like the 200mm f/2 much more "useable" as long as you don't mind the weight and lugging it around. Have a great 4th.
You couldn't pay me enough to buy another D850. Worst DSLR, I ever owned. No, make that the Worst Camera, I ever touched. I can't comment on the Z8, it appears to be a decent Camera, similar in a lot of ways to the Z9 that replaced the previously mentioned POS
@@ZWadePhoto Its Focus was not good. Regardless of the Lens, AF Settings. AF Modes, AF Fine Tuning, Shutter Speed, f-stop. Picture Controls settings made no Improvement, only made it worse. It went back to Nikon twice, the second time they acknowledged there was something Wrong, but sent it back. This time with a big clump of something welded to the Sensor courtesy of their Sensor Cleaning. I truly hated that Camera, and it really shook my Faith in Nikon. I have been shooting Nikon for 38 yrs. I started with a F3HP, then a F 801, F 90X, D100, D200, D7000, D800, D810, DPOS, and now the Z9. The Z9 is a Night and Day difference from the DPOS, and it focuses with the very same Lenses, I tried using on the DPOS. Horrible Camera.
Hmmm...while I seem to be in the mood to make negative comments to many on this thread (and I love Z Wade), you just opened that door wide enough to...well, it's a holiday. I'll be good. As with others, the worst camera ever? Compared to what? Listen, my Dad thought anything compared to reel to reel sucked and that a flip phone was where it was at. Till he moved on to smart phones and digital music - still prefers vinyl, and I can't disagree. But he can explain what he hears vs. digital and why they are different - and he knows what he is talking about - with examples to boot. He got a happy birthday from Sir Paul and Quincy Jones, so he must know a thing or two. Your comment speaks volumes with it's wide ranging accusations and the few words used to back it up. There are a lot of professionals out there that would have liked your opinion when they bought the D850 in 2017 and beyond. Listed as Camera of the Year - Nikon must have bought off the judges. Perhaps all those thousands of images I took that won contests weren't really all that. Should I ask for my money back? The Z9 was never meant to be the mirrorless D850. Neither is the Z8. Both cameras have a heavy tilt to sports, action, wildlife - something the D850 did not. Both cameras have a heavy tilt toward video, the D850 did not. Both cameras have fast frames rates like the D5, D6 - not like the D850s barely eligible 7 fps unless you upgraded the battery to the D5s and then got 9 fps - not quite up to D500 standards. All that said, the D850 was the best high resolution low frame rate camera - "all a rounder" Nikon (and many would argue anyone) has made for general use case. Specific needs call for specific specs and specific cameras. If you bought a high resolution, all-a-rounder, DSLR and had that kind of experience with it, I'd say you either didn't do your homework before your purchase, or another hobby might be in order.
@@dance2jam Mine was Defective, and because of that, I formed my Opinion of the Camera. My D800 and D810 certainly were sharp, but not the DPOS. I bought the Z9, simply because I wanted to get rid of the DPOS. And the Z7ii didn't impress me much. Too Small. For 40 yrs I had Grips on all but one Camera, and was tired of them constantly loosening, so the Integral Grip of the Z9 was very appealing. It was also smaller than the D850, with the grip. In fact it is smaller then my D200 with Grip. As I said my D850 was a POS, nothing will ever make think differently about that Model. BTW, I did my Homework, and I had been using the D800 and D810, from about a month after each was released. They were Great compared to the DPOS. The DPOS did excel at one thing, holding Papers from being Blown off the Desk, nothing else. I was very happy the Day last summer when my Z9 arrived, and I handed over as a Trade in. I feel bit sad, that some poor Bastard will get stuck with it, but since the Store does give a Warranty on used Cameras, perhaps the guy will make enough noise to get a Refund.
The D850 is still a great versatile camera - I still have one D850. Ubiquitous rant - When Nikon provides a Preview for Focus Stacking then I'll Z focus stack ... 🦘
Interesting thought. Perhaps when the phase array technology advances they can also show DOF past f/5.6. I didn't want to wait to jump in the pool. Not getting out of the water, either.
I went mirrorless first (Fuji X, Fuji GFX and Nikon Zf) and then went back to shooting film and all of a sudden realized how much I like having an OVF and having less technical distractions (i.e. a million options, a touch screen and all that jazz). Last thing I want these days is to have to look at another screen! So just got a D850 on the latest Nikon sale. It will probably be my only digital camera (also for scanning) and I love that I can use the same lenses on both my Nikon film camera and the D850. Now I need to go get some more Zeiss glass 😁
Nice! Glad you got something thats works for you and is fun to use.
"Zeiss lenses..."
Yes, YES and YEEESSS!
You are right, both my D850 and D810 hold me back from leaving the F-mount system for the Z-mount. Although the Z9 has more of my interest than the Z8, I am not dying to own one the same way I was with the D850. I bought my D810 about four years ago in like-new condition (1657 shutter actuations) with the MB-D12 battery grip all for $1600 before taxes. Although I wanted a D850, the prices were still high and there was no way I couldn't pass on the D810. I love that camera - so much so I thought, "You know what? This camera is really good. Maybe I don't need a D850. This is all I need" Then in October of 2021 I was checking out MPB for fun. After seeing a ton of cameras in like-new and excellent condition from other brands I decide to look at how much D850s were fetching for. A huge mistake. Well, the camera I wanted for so long was looking more obtainable and it was on my radar again. Long story short I saved on a copy with just about 3k shutter actuations and haven't looked into other cameras because like you pointed out - it is the only camera I feel I need. Because I love having a vertical grip (bought the MB-D18 to accompany my D850) Z9 might be an option in several years as prices are easier to digest. That being said, I love the combination of my two D8xx cameras and 105mm f/1.4E ED and 70-200mm f/2.8E FL lenses. I love having an OVF especially when shooting in a studio where I underexpose for my strobes - I am not sure if the mirrorless experience is for me yet... unless there is a studio setting that allows the EVF to be bright despite underexposing for the off camera flash. That being said, I friggin love the D850. It does everything I want and need at such a high level.
I find the mirrorless camera WAY easier in the studio, but I would bother if I were you. You’re rocking and rolling with some excellent cameras and lenses and it makes you happy!
I don’t worry about resale value, future new or used price, or any of that, when I find something that fits me, I run it until it’s dead, or until half it’s shutter life is reached.
Keep shooting and creating with the stuff you love! THAT is what matters
@@ZWadePhoto Exactly! I have put both cameras through their paces! It’s been an awesome experience. That being said, mirrorless cameras way easier in the studio? Do you think you may tackle this idea for an upcoming video? I do not know of any videos that are aimed at the studio photographer as most videos are “real world” shooting.
The main advantage of mirrorless for someone with a compromised eyesight like mine is in manual focus, otherwise, I am so used to the light meter and how it reacts to different light sources and under different conditions that I rarely, if at all, get issues with my exposure. It's a very different story when it comes to MF, as the viewfinder is never large enough to get me to make out fine details that are further away than macro distances up to 1 meter max. This issue is eliminated in mirrorless with the capability to zoom inside the EVF. Of course, you can also digitally zoom in on the rear LCD of a DSLR to fine tune manual focus; however, you'd have to take the shot with the rear screen then because the focus distance will change when you put the OVF back on your eye. Otherwise, if you are not bitten by the GAS and clinical sharpness bugs, the F system has some incredible glass options that can take award-winning shots. I still very much shoot my DSLRs and the D850 is unmatched in the DSLR world.
Same here Yamen. My eyesight is kind of ass. Lol. Focus peaking through the viewfinder is pretty big deal. Thanks for watching!
Hey Zwade… I own the D850 and love it and will keep it to drive my AF screw drive lenses! Thanks for the video
Thank you for watching Andre!
I have a Z5 but I will never give up my D850 or any other f mount camera or lens. Why choose when you can use both systems. As a matter of fact I am going to get another D850 this week💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥
Audiman filling the generational Nikon Gap!
@@ZWadePhoto somebody has to do it so I will take one for the team😆😆😆
@@Audimann what's the d850 for?
@@kevc.2958 ehhm, for taking pics.
I do not understand your question really. Can you be more specific?
@@Audimann I mean why still d850?
Thanks for your video content. I'm a new subscriber to your channel.
It was this past May 2023 that I finally moved to a mirrorless camera by getting the Z5. It is a great camera and despite it's burst rate and crop on the 4k video, I love the results of the images. I bought it a great price for less than $800. I also got deep discounts on three of my four Z lenses. It was a no-brainer.
I also bought a full frame DSLR this past May as well and that's the D610. It is still a fantastic camera to shoot with. I also bought together with a 50mm f 1.4g lens and the battery grip for $600. Is it a D850? Not even close. Is it still a great camera to use? Absolutely.
Keep up the great work.
Right on Izzie, welcome to subbin and thanks for watching!today!
Bought a Z7 II great camera, sold it. re bought D850!
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I got my D850 the year it launched. In 2020 I bought a Z6 specifically to be able to shoot quietly. I still have and use both. My heart is with the D850 though. I only use the Z6 for events where I need to shoot quietly. I’m an OVF guy. I’ve shot Lumix and Nikon mirrorless. I do not plan to convert to ML.
Right on Tom! Shoot what works for you! Thanks for watching.
Hi Zwade you must know by now Chuck is MIA. He's having some health issues hence no live streams for 10 days. Vahagn or Moz has some details. Hope he gets better.
Oh no. Thanks for the heads up
My first camera was the D7000, then moved to a D800, then to the D810 and on to the D850 - all trade-ups. What moved me from the DX to FX, was more a function of IQ/DR. At the time the D800 had superior IQ/DR over the D7000 (of course). The D810/850 leveraged ISO 64 as well as electronic front curtain shutter. This became essential for what I was photographing. The 36MP/45MP were a bonus. Let me take a step back here, I shot the 2017 TSE using the D810 and knew I made the right choice, yet a few months after that the D850 came out and traded up.
But now, with the 2024 eclipse not too far off, I started to prep for that event, testing the D850 for it's high FPS capability etc. I found some issues with using live view for silent shooting and then made the decision to move to the Nikon Z9. Perfect for the job.
The Z9 (or the Z8 - for those who purchased it) will help me achieve high-fps with ability to get silent / perfectly still image capture, which is essential for total solar eclipse when it transitions from partial to full - many eclipse features to capture.
Thanks for commenting
As a frequent supporter of this channel, and Z Wade, I feel obligated to add to the TH-cam algorhythmia. Discussions around the D850 vs. Z9/Z8/Z7ii really have no meaning unless you shoot sports, action, or wildlife - as I do, and/or love to shoot wide open with ultra fast primes or telephotos. I'll make my recommendations short and based on only a few factors. Lets keep the megapixel count constant. Advantages Mirrorless: Hybrid shooter needing flexibility in Video - big advantage Nikon Mirrorless. Frame rate - big advantage Nikon mirrorless. WYSIWYG exposure and DOF - advantage Nikon Mirrorless. Faster AF speed / accuracy - Advantage Nikon mirrorless. Blackout free shooting: Advantage mirrorless. Silent shooting, pre-capture, edge to edge AF point coverage, Auto-capture, programmability, Sensor shield, IBIS - Nikon Mirrorless. Nikon lens lineup - Nikon mirrorless that can make use of all lenses available except screw drive. Buffer: Nikon Mirrorless with stack sensor and CF Express B cards. Future Support: Nikon Mirrorless. DSLR D850: Advantages - slightly better DR compared to Z8/Z9, but less than Z7ii. Card options XQD/CFE B/SD - cheaper D850. IQ: essentially the same. Weight - camera dependent and vertical grip dependent. Expense: Advantage D850. I own the D700, D500, D850, and Z9 (D700 was only a few hundred dollars used, D500 on sale used). I love the D850, but for sports, action, wildlife - the new Nikon Mirrorless additions have changed their ecosystem dramatically. One more example in something I shoot occasionally - portraits. The speed at which my Nikkor 200mm f/2 finds the eye for outdoor portraits or indoor ice hockey or finds the eye with the 105mm f/1.4 - makes it far easier to get those shots without fatiguing your subject or the camera operator. Even for landscape (something I did yesterday at sunset) the ability to dial in the exposure I wanted using Aperture, shutter speed, maintaining low ISO was far faster with mirrorless. The one place I disagree with you, Z Wade - by the way - love your new video review format - nicely done - is buying a D5/D6. The AF accuracy and speed lag those of the Z8/Z9. Where they are better is the low light performance secondary to lower pixel pitch and lower megapixel count. Yet, they are right up there in price and weight and limited by no Z glass. I'm sure someone out there will need one of them, but not the majority of viewers. Keep the good stuff coming. Hard these days on TH-cam to educate, stay true to your vision, and get viewership. More power to you, Man!
Right on my friend. I ONLY recommend a DSLR these days, including D5 D6, if people have already tried and hate the Mirrorless experience. Me personally, i love it, never going back, but people are people for weird people reasons. Lol. If cost is no concern, definitely rent a Z9/Z8 before buying anything, I’ll argue that it eats best DSLRs ever lunch not even trying haha
@@ZWadePhoto Too funny my friend, and I see your point. What I would say, Z Wade, and I know you understand this, is I've seen people get very frustrated by the Z9/Z8 learning curve and go back to their D850 for a while. Admittedly, it took me a while - including the FW updates - to get very comfortable with choosing what mode when. Sometimes, the DSLR feels less difficult just to take a photo - (i.e. Program mode) vs full on manual. For those people, I frequently try and talk them off the ledge or tell them to try Sony or Canon. I do understand why they feel that way. I'm a scientist by trade - with lots of art in my family - so I get it and will not let technology get the better of me. That said, not everyone feels that way. I can see why people get frustrated. I am sure f/stops, frame rates and shutter angle, DOF, Angle of View, Field of view, diffraction and aberration is enough to make someone put a camera down. Have a great July 4th!
I agree with every word. I own the D850 and it is still a mighty machine. No, it doesn't track as well as many mirrorless on the market but if the goal is great photos shot in nearly all lighting conditions, it's hard to beat. Plus, its dynamic range is nearly unmatchable. If something happened to mine, I'd buy it again based on how I shot. However, I must mention it's near equal crop sensor brother, the D500. The D500 has most of the D850's guts and honestly... on any given day, is ready to take the fight to the admittedly superior D850. If the D850 is a 10, the D500, is a 9. It's actually an incredible value as well, plus shoots more fps and ever so slightly, lighter.
That is exactly why people are screaming for a replacement in the Z mount. The D500 wasn't necessarily a smash hit at first, but over time, became a Nikon favorite. Give it the right guts and price, it'll be mighty. But, with the Z8 being the same guts as the Z9, I am recently puzzled as to what guts to give a D500 replacement haha.
@@yimikyrabo1287 I am sure you are right but I am replacing a Fuji GF so smaller printing sizes won’t work for me and for fun I want an F6/F100/F4 (not sure which one yet). I have a 35-year old Nikon N2000 which I still love but it’s hard to focus on it so the newer film cameras might work better with the D850 for me.
It's understandable that some are reluctant to transition to mirrorless since they don't want to give up their Nikon screwdrive lenses, which provide fantastic 3D pop straight out of the camera in a way that mirrorless lenses cannot. The Nikon D850 is the greatest camera for older F mount lenses since it has contemporary features like focus peaking and a back-lit sensor, as well as the ability to manually and automatically focus every F mount lens known to man.
If only someone would make a screw drive adapter…
No DSLR D850 hyperbole here...RIGHT! Let's just start with the statement "The Nikon D850 is the greatest camera for older F-mount lenses" compared to what? Low light performance? NOPE. AF Speed and accuracy? NOPE. It's not even the best Nikon DSLR for AF Speed, accuracy, and low light performance (D6). My F-mount lenses focus much faster, more accurately, and provide better results on my Z9 than they ever did on the D850. The Z9 has better focus peaking as well and a "back-side" illuminated sensor. The D850 can't "manually and automatically focus every F mount lens known to man". I would love to see it "automatically focus" manual focus f-mount glass. Oh, by the way, you can manually focus those screw drive lenses on the Z mount FTZii adapter - they just won't autofocus - and they will still have 3D pop - which is a topic for another day. Stay in Oz if you want to, Dorothy, but you may find when you click your ruby red slippers, your not in Kansas anymore.
@@dance2jam First and foremost, I said unequivocally that it is about micro contrast, "pop," or a 3D look, not AF speed or low light, as you injected and proposed into the conversation. And, without a doubt, Nikon G lenses perform better on mirrorless cameras, as any Nikon user with an FTZ adapter can attest, since the difference is so evident that even a kid can detect it.
Second, Nikon's AF-D lenses, which include several of the company's most well-known and regarded lenses, such as the "defocus control" portrait lenses, the Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 lens, and the 28mm 1.4 D lens, cannot autofocus on a Nikon mirrorless camera. To recap, Nikon has not created a screwdriver lens adapter for the Nikon Z system, thus your claims are invalid since not everyone shoots action or video.
Without getting into the weeds here, bottom line is if you shoot a lot of screw drive lenses and want AF with them, and you want a back side illuminated sensor, and you shoot Nikon - then stick with the only camera that gives you that, and to my knowledge, that would be the D850. But please, let us not confuse two terms which have little to do with each other - except in macro/micro photography - and this subject. First, define micro-contrast. Since there is no set definition, I'll give you one: Something demonstrating tonal separation, color accuracy, and acutance (Sharpness). In many cases - if not most outside of macro - this has nothing to do with dimensionality. Want proof? Take an image you photographed with a DC lens (i.e. the 105 f/2) that you think shows terrific "dimensionality" or 3D pop (which is different yet from dimensionality - but I'll save that for later) - and take the clarity down to zero and desaturate the image. You've now taken out color accuracy and sharpness - and I bet the image still reveals dimensionality. There are many examples of newer lenses (Zeiss 135 sonar APO) with 11 elements beating a lower element count Nikon 85 mm f 1.4 or f 1.8 - at any aperture in microcontrast because they better correct for CA. The Nikon 70-200 E FL ED has over 20 elements, yet has excellent micro-contrast, . The Nikon 24-70 f.2.8 tends to render flat - compared to the 24-120 which is demonstrates less micro contrast, and is less sharp, but renders more consistently with dimensionality. Angle is more important to 3D pop than micro contrast. Also important is how a lens renders round structures. Some lenses have this characteristic, some lenses do not. POP, the way I define it, is the emphasis on the main subject against a weaker background. You can achieve pop with sunlight or flash yielding strong contrast between subject and background. Good pop is not mutually inclusive of dimensionality. So, in summary on these terms, Micro contrast does not necessarily equate to dimensionality, which does not equate to 3D Pop. To lump them together is to really reduce the tonality, accuracy, and acutance of the subject itself. Pop depends on the lens, angle, and strength of subject to background - not micro contrast (in non macro images). Current lenses - that have the potential to correct for CA - should in theory have better micro contrast and sharpness - but not necessarily 3D Pop or dimensionality. To quote Gerald, "I'm Done".
@@dance2jamThere is nothing wrong with disagreeing and seeing things quite differently since beauty is in the eye of the beholder and one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Nice based review. Useful
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I don't own a D850, but I do have a D500. I agree Nikon has made a handful of cameras that will go down history as some of the best in the industry.
They sure did. Thanks for watching
Love my D850 and the
Holy Trinity of F Glass. Now with the Z9 I am collecting the Z Holy Trinity and more. With 85 Nikon pieces in my bag I am starting to thin the herd. Running out of storage space. 🤣🤣🤣Good video Z!
Haha right on my friend! You’re a Pugh to graduate to a potato sack if you’re not careful!
@@ZWadePhoto LOL Mr. Potato Head oh wait... I need to figure out correct pronoun. HA
To quote Three Blind Men and an Elephant. The D850 is the best dslr ever created.....so what. Like you pointed out the industry is driving to mirrorless. I was one of the people who was like as a studio shooter, I don't see the advantages. Then I got the Z6 for travel and now I'm all in. I'm keeping my D800 because it's amazing, but mirrorless has definitely improved my workflow for outdoor work and not having to deal with clustered af points in the middle. Means no longer having to focus and recompose.
Right on Blubravery! I was a short holdout, once I gave mirrorless a try I switched 100%. Almost did F and Z mount for a second, the. I had a gear meltdown haha
I've placed enough comments on this thread, so I won't rehash them here. But to quote your quote of 3BM&E - who cares. First, that is a subjective statement. Second, I could have the best 8 track tape player in the world - what good is it now? Maybe some if it still works - try getting replacement parts. How often you playing those DVDs, LDs, or playing the cassette tapes or reel to reel? I left vinyl out because, well, too much to get into. Let's just say, if your DSLR works for you - no need to change. But as you pointed out - if you like WYSIWYG in Exposure and DOF - if you like the many other features current mirrorless is offering - there is really no going back - if you need (or want) the technology - and can afford it.
@@dance2jam if the tech works better for you, definitely. But I think many people just buy it based on hype not really being able to evaluate pros and cons. That is what happened to me and as I learn more I am going back in time camera-wise. I much prefer the older tech and will probably shoot mostly film from now.
@@nanoulandia That made me smile. Back in time or forward? lol. Yes, I get it. Pick the tool that works for what you do, or the one you like working (or playing) with. For me, personally, the subject detection AF, while not perfect, works amazingly well - especially when shooting wide open at shallow DOF. Just last weekend I was out with friends showing them how I would shoot an "Old Western Town" at night when two women tried to photo bomb the shot. I switched lenses while explaining I'd take their photo, but in better light (down an alley light by incandescent lights) to a Wine/Cheese bar - which is where they came from after celebrating something. With the Nikon 105mm f1.4 @ f4.5, ISO 5000 I took about 8 shots in 2-3 minutes (not sure they could stay still for more). Eyes were sharp and I sent them the photos. Point is, for me, shooting that with my DSLR (spontaneous street scene at night) would have taken a lot longer...Love the fact you're going back to film. Thanks for the comment.
@@dance2jam You will definitely get more shots with newer tech, but I stopped taking pictures for the sake of taking pictures. If it's not a picture that means something to me, I don't care if I miss it or can't take it. And for the ones I do care to take for my projects, I want them to have some character and not look like any other shot on Instagram. I think the biggest issue with newer tech is just that, everything ends up looking the same (which is not a personal comment on your work!). Enjoy your camera, they are all lovely.
Thanks for your thoughts. This is really difficult. I'm not in one professional or advanced position to conclude. And I'm not in contact with photographers.
If the f glass is faster on Z8 or, d850 than Z6 Z7. I don't have 4000 dollars for camera now. I'm totally okay.They are amazing value I know. But I admire. I take care off children. . So I will not use f glass. Actually really I don't know. I'm not sure about those things. It's subjective, personal. .
I'd like seeing one 58 1.4 pc e .with af. Long focus throw ö infinity marc. I imagine it could be interesting. Çoud.be macro? I made prototype with clay once in my life.
Dude, start a TH-cam channel making clay lens concepts. I’d subscribe. Thanks for watching!
@@ZWadePhoto you're welcome. The community has being making good content.thank you Young .
This is the first comment that actually makes a lot of sense. For you, my two cents. First: Budget counts. Do not outspend your means. Photography is your hobby. It should destress you. Not add to your stress. I own the D850 and Z9. If your budget allows, a excellent condition D850 is going for 1,700 dollars. Not cheap, but not Z8/Z9 expensive. When you are ready, there will be used Z8s and Z9s. The next best thing will come along and you can decide if it's worth it. I will say that for me - the mirrorless system makes things easier and more efficient. Yes, there are images you can capture more easily on the higher end cameras with pre--capture and auto capture that it would be very hard to do with a DSLR. I made a list of 25 features I wanted in a mirrorless camera before I made the jump. They arrived in the Z9, so I leaped and never looked back - and I'm very happy I did. That said, the D850 is a wonderful camera and for goodness sakes, still works. Olympus and Fujifilm make some awesome cameras. So does Sony and Canon. Lots of choices so let your budget for camera body and lenses be your guide and don't worry about anyone else. Just enjoy photography.
@@dance2jam Thank you for your comments and for thisnice video.I will see this, in the future. Good phots for you all.
I never got a D850 because I had a D700 and a D800. I don’t plan on getting rid of them either.
Just got a Z8 and while learning it managed to get some close up shots of some bees and a ladybug.
All I can say is wow! The autofocus with 3D tracking is insane and I could have never gotten these shots with either of my DSLR’s.
Both still great for portraits or landscapes.
Alright dude! Glad you’re enjoying your photography!
I could be wrong, but I think after continued use (if tracking isn't upgraded) that 3D is far less reliable than WA custom done right. It works well on slow moving, close in subjects, but is not very reliable otherwise. I've been using the Z9 for 1 1/2 years and even with FW 4.0, I prefer tracking with a custom WA than 3D. Where 3D is very helpful, is for a bird on a branch that is jumping around a bit. Otherwise, if Wide Area Custom 1x1 box w/subject detection turned on or off quickly - will be better. That's my opinion for what I shoot.
@@dance2jam actually my settings were AF-C, wide area S with animal detect and back button. I set the front Fn 1 button to 3D tracking.
Just learning, but this gave me pretty much every shot in focus including the ones where it took off flying.
I also used the 24-120 f4 and this is cropped a-lot.
Having fun learning this new camera.
Very cool. What lense did u use for that? I am also very interested in the camera for macro use
@@edwardekman9832 I'm all for what ever works for you. Sounds like you are well on your way. Just saying that I have found for humans and animals 3D is not predicable - it will jump at the worst times to background, foreground, reflections, etc. I do use it for animals close and not moving fast. Most used modes are the custom Wide Areas. The more focused you make them, the faster the eye auto-detection kicks in. For Ice Hockey, I use a tall, sort of skinny box - and it picks the player up quickly and tracks the eye. For stuff around the net, I focus on the goalie and use 3D to try and keep it there. For birds on water (landing, tacking off) I use a long, skinny box. For something where eye detection will be hard (small black skimmer chicks that look like the sand they lay in - to no contrast - I use the Custom WA 1 (1x1) box and turn off animal eye detect (DISP button programmed for recall shooting animal eye detect) - and use it as single point. 3D is reserved for single thing close by, but moving. slowly. Good luck and enjoy!
I own multiple Sony/Panasonic full frame mirrorless cameras which are nice but I prefer the bulk and style of a dslr and just bought a d850 and d500 and Pentax k1 in 2023 .. I shoot fashion and headshots . I’ll keep my mirrorless for video . But use my dslrs exclusively for stills .
Gotta do what works for your work! Thanks for watching!
Just to correct one thing you said the D850 wasn’t the first dslr to score a 100 at DXOMark, that was the Pentax 645Z in 2015 with a 101. They then removed it from their site until someone outscored it then they put it back up. Many thoughts on why it was done, we probably will never know the full story though.
Well that’s not fair!
*I own them all D850, D810, D3s, Z6/Z6ii Z7/Z7ii and Z8. I'll just say if you're not into shooting video via (auto focus) and you add a lens with VR/VC to the D850 you're pretty much future proof...
*The D850 requires your attention to detail. I mean you can own one for nostalgia. but if you're serious you're gonna want a monopod/tripod just to assure you're handling the smallest amount of camera shake.
*As far as sports: just invest in the EL-18 battery and you're at 9fps and that's still pretty good because the 3D tracking is solid..
Thanks for watching!
Do you get the same feel from the images coming out of Z8 as D850? I used to own a D750 and now with Sony. Want to get back to Nikon. But not sure if I should get a D850 or Z8. If Z8 images(Z mirrorless) are very clinical then I will better go with D850. Thanks much.
@@piyhaw oh no. Z8 images, well pretty much all Nikon mirrorless images, have amazing clarity.
@@ZWadePhoto I still like the files from my D850 better. But the modern day Nikons are make a strong case to switch. I don't need four (4) 45 megapixel cameras but I also see the need to get rid of either of them.
I personally think the z system nails focus much better. But the d850 files are cleaner.
I have a 850 and z8 still getting use to mirrorless but the 850 is a powerhouse
I like them all. If I didn't have a youtube channel to run, I could just get by with my Z9, but alas, the Z8 is usually my face cam now ha.
I have a D850 and D800 I never get rid of it it the best camera I’ve ever owned plus I have a lots of F mount lenses the only Z I be interested in is the new Z8 but for now I sticking with my DSLR
Nothing wrong with sticking to what works for you Tim! Thanks for watching
I bought used D850 couple weeks ago. Camera in exellent condition for 1/4 price of Z8. Z system is just very expensive. And that is not only Z8 but you have to change all F monut lenses. It doesnt make any sense.
Cameras now are very expensive, but in comparison to the other brands, Nikon mirrorless is the "bang for your buck option" with cameras, and lenses, and their lenses are still top among the big three in my opinion. Thanks for helping the algos!
New Technology is always better. But if you have lots of F lens a 850 is a great camera to use! Enjoy!
Thanks for watching my friend!
If you already own some F glass...absolutely. Obviously, I wouldn't recommend getting into the F mount today. That said...I will NEVER sell my D850 or D500. Too much nostalgia around both of those cameras
I never point first time buyers to DSLR the sole reason of DSLR already being discontinued. More support moving forward to mirrorless I think.
Well that certainly is an emotional statement (heart over head). ;-) Unless you think the D850 someday will sell like the original NOCT 58mm with character. Those were rare lenses though. I do think it's a bit of an over-reach to say "I wouldn't get into f-mount glass today". First, there is no replacement yet - or on the horizon for TS/PC lenses - or even ultra wide lenses. There is no real replacement for the look of the 105mm f/1.4 or the 200mm f/2.0 or the 300mm f/2.8 - or similar lenses. I could be wrong, but I don't even think that Nikon, Canon, or Sony are likely to ever make a 200mm f/2 or f/1.8 again. Too much of a specialty lens and too heavy. Even if they shaved 2 lbs off it and added a 2x TC it would still weigh 4.5 lbs - too heavy and expensive for wedding shooters. I could be wrong. They did choose to make the Z mount, 58 mm f0.95 manual focus only NOCT - turn a profit on that did we?
@@dance2jam Well said. 100% agree. Have equal nostalgia for plenty of f mount glass to the point I've bought some of it twice after missing it too much having initially sold it.
@@NikonDave You're a good man. You know I was only, in fun, pulling your leg a little. I'm crazy, and I know it. I own the 105mm f/1.4 and last year purchased a used 200mm f/2. After getting the 200mm, I thought "wow, this is a beast". The IQ was awesome and the look, unmistakable. It was the 105 on steroids. Then, when the newness wore off, I thought - "Am I really going to use this much?" - and then I forced myself to use it every week for lots of different things: Sports. Action. Wildlife. Shocking, but I love this lens. Just yesterday I got a wildlife shot my friends with Sony A1 and Canon R3 zooms could not get - because of light. They all looked at my 200mm f/2 shot on the back of the LCD and the "WOW" just left their lips. My Canon friend wants to shoot with it now. My hockey shots with it landed me some work. I'm an amateur, but I'm having a blast with photography - and I love learning and challenging. I must say that the Z9 has made lenses like the 200mm f/2 much more "useable" as long as you don't mind the weight and lugging it around. Have a great 4th.
I'd sell the nikon f system while it still worths something.
Not really terrible advice either. With the exception of some legendary products, prices will fall flat.
The F - mount lenses are crotch melting.
Some of them are Godly
Just gone Z with the 8, but, I am definitely keeping my D850, superb camera..
Nice! You've got a couple excellent cameras with different shooting experiences!
No
Short and sweet ☝️
You couldn't pay me enough to buy another D850. Worst DSLR, I ever owned. No, make that the Worst Camera, I ever touched. I can't comment on the Z8, it appears to be a decent Camera, similar in a lot of ways to the Z9 that replaced the previously mentioned POS
How did the D850 disappoint you?
@@ZWadePhoto
Its Focus was not good. Regardless of the Lens, AF Settings. AF Modes, AF Fine Tuning, Shutter Speed, f-stop. Picture Controls settings made no Improvement, only made it worse. It went back to Nikon twice, the second time they acknowledged there was something Wrong, but sent it back. This time with a big clump of something welded to the Sensor courtesy of their Sensor Cleaning. I truly hated that Camera, and it really shook my Faith in Nikon. I have been shooting Nikon for 38 yrs. I started with a F3HP, then a F 801, F 90X, D100, D200, D7000, D800, D810, DPOS, and now the Z9. The Z9 is a Night and Day difference from the DPOS, and it focuses with the very same Lenses, I tried using on the DPOS. Horrible Camera.
Hmmm...while I seem to be in the mood to make negative comments to many on this thread (and I love Z Wade), you just opened that door wide enough to...well, it's a holiday. I'll be good. As with others, the worst camera ever? Compared to what? Listen, my Dad thought anything compared to reel to reel sucked and that a flip phone was where it was at. Till he moved on to smart phones and digital music - still prefers vinyl, and I can't disagree. But he can explain what he hears vs. digital and why they are different - and he knows what he is talking about - with examples to boot. He got a happy birthday from Sir Paul and Quincy Jones, so he must know a thing or two. Your comment speaks volumes with it's wide ranging accusations and the few words used to back it up. There are a lot of professionals out there that would have liked your opinion when they bought the D850 in 2017 and beyond. Listed as Camera of the Year - Nikon must have bought off the judges. Perhaps all those thousands of images I took that won contests weren't really all that. Should I ask for my money back? The Z9 was never meant to be the mirrorless D850. Neither is the Z8. Both cameras have a heavy tilt to sports, action, wildlife - something the D850 did not. Both cameras have a heavy tilt toward video, the D850 did not. Both cameras have fast frames rates like the D5, D6 - not like the D850s barely eligible 7 fps unless you upgraded the battery to the D5s and then got 9 fps - not quite up to D500 standards. All that said, the D850 was the best high resolution low frame rate camera - "all a rounder" Nikon (and many would argue anyone) has made for general use case. Specific needs call for specific specs and specific cameras. If you bought a high resolution, all-a-rounder, DSLR and had that kind of experience with it, I'd say you either didn't do your homework before your purchase, or another hobby might be in order.
@@dance2jam
Mine was Defective, and because of that, I formed my Opinion of the Camera. My D800 and D810 certainly were sharp, but not the DPOS. I bought the Z9, simply because I wanted to get rid of the DPOS. And the Z7ii didn't impress me much. Too Small. For 40 yrs I had Grips on all but one Camera, and was tired of them constantly loosening, so the Integral Grip of the Z9 was very appealing. It was also smaller than the D850, with the grip. In fact it is smaller then my D200 with Grip.
As I said my D850 was a POS, nothing will ever make think differently about that Model. BTW, I did my Homework, and I had been using the D800 and D810, from about a month after each was released. They were Great compared to the DPOS. The DPOS did excel at one thing, holding Papers from being Blown off the Desk, nothing else. I was very happy the Day last summer when my Z9 arrived, and I handed over as a Trade in. I feel bit sad, that some poor Bastard will get stuck with it, but since the Store does give a Warranty on used Cameras, perhaps the guy will make enough noise to get a Refund.
The D850 is still a great versatile camera - I still have one D850.
Ubiquitous rant - When Nikon provides a Preview for Focus Stacking then I'll Z focus stack ... 🦘
You still have one of everything Roy 🤪
Interesting thought. Perhaps when the phase array technology advances they can also show DOF past f/5.6. I didn't want to wait to jump in the pool. Not getting out of the water, either.