Nikon Z8 vs D850: It's FINALLY time for MIRRORLESS!
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Chelsea & Tony Northrup give their first review of the Nikon Z8, comparing it to the greatest DSLR of all time: the Nikon D850. For Nikon photographers and videographers, is it time to switch from DSLR to mirrorless cameras?
If budget isn't a concern, the answer is pretty much YES. The Nikon Z8 is far superior for video. Compared to the Nikon D850, the Nikon Z8 has more than twice as high a frame rate at 20 FPS raw still and 30 FPS full-resolution JPGs. The Z8 can shoot silently and it has intelligent subject detection and tracking that works really well for humans and, even more challenging, animals.
Overall, the Nikon Z8 is a big improvement from the Nikon D850. However, the a used D850 is about 1/3 the price of a new Z8... and the $2650 you save can go a long way towards lenses, lights, and other purchases that can make more of an improvement to your photography.
So should you choose the less expensive DSLR or is buying the mirrorless D850 finally the right choice?
0:00 Introduction
1:20 D850 vs Z8 - Design, Size & Handling
3:21 D850 vs Z8 - Image Quality
4:54 Nikon D850 Video
7:00 D850 vs Z8 - Wildlife Photography FPS & Autofocus
10:24 Nikon F-mount lenses vs Z-mount lenses
11:50 Summary - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Just got my 850 today. Yet to try it. I'm excited.
pro or hobbyist photography?
@@mwangimoses4105 pro
An outstanding camera!
You will love it!
My mom used it since 2017 and it still rocks
Whether you go DSLR or mirrorless, the whole Nikon ecosystem is very attractive right now because of the amazing deals out there on quality F mount glass for people first getting started who need to build a basic kit. I'm shooting a Z7II and have a handful of Z lenses but I still recently picked up a used (flawless to my eyes) AF-S 85mm f/1.8 lens on KEH for a mere $300. Someday I'll pick up the equivalent $800 Z lens, but as a hobby shooter I'm blown away by the value for money from adapting inexpensive last gen lenses to the new bodies and getting the benefits of IBIS, autofocus, etc. This has let me have a wider variety of lenses to play with and learn with while I save up to upgrade to nicer Z lenses over time.
Yeah... invested in the Z system, but still hang on to my D800 and D7200 for the lens experience. I go for a walk, and the old gear speaks to me. End result... I dare you to see the difference. Nikon quality. Every day.
Love the video, but for us with full frame cameras and the collection of lenses that work with it, the expense is a LOT more than swapping out a $2K camera for a $4k Z#. The Z looks awesome, but I am not sure I am ready to take 20-30 cents on the dollar for every lens and camera that I currently have. When the gap in performance is wider, I will consider it. But for now it isn't wide enough to take that loss. Love the mirrorless systems though. Also, I just checked that source to sell and was offered about $850 for a few pieces of gear that cost me over $5k. If I were being paid for my shots, I would probably consider making the leap though, but as a hobbyist, I am just not there yet..
The D850 is amazing value for those who are unable to spend the money for a Z8. But my Z8 and Z9 are incredible cameras. Z glass…mwah! Firmware 4.0 for the Z9 with features to trickle down to the Z8…fist pump.
And for the first time, Tony and Chelsea genuinely seem excited about shooting Nikon for the first time in a long time.
Very good
Not interested in Z8 if it’s only 45 Mpix so I got a new D850. If Nikon don’t produce a Z8x with 55-60 Mpix I will go to Fuji GFX 100S system for landscape and use my F-system for wild life
This video felt like watching this channel in 2014/2015 when I fell in love with it. Something just feels right about you guys praising Nikon, shooting Ospreys and talking about new cameras you're excited for! We need photo critiques back!
Love the way you demonstrated everything.. I own a D850 & I don't want to switch to mirrorless for now.
As D850 is still the best dslr & I only shoot wedding & Portraits photography. I think D850 is best for portrait.
which one would you purchase today?
@@violet_world9385 ah I see. Makes since when you put it that way.
I'm not a video shooter, and after almost 2 years with mirrorless, I've gone completely back to DSLR, mostly for the optical VF, especially in bright light.
To each their own.
I shoot both f mount and z mount, depends on the situation
Your a weird person! Not sure what u want people to say to such a strange comment. The mirrorless cameras are better in almost every way. The viewfinders are amazing! An Oled viewfinder is near perfect
Very good very good
Love the video. Suggestion for another video: the recent Z9 4.0 Firmware update touts a number of AF improvements, particularly addressing subject tracking in distant low contrast scenarios. This was an issue you two pointed out in a previous video, saying that Nikon lags behind Canon and Sony in these situations. I saw one video that tested the general improvement to 3D tracking in 4.0, but I've seen no tests (as of this writing) on whether or not Nikon is now on par or inching closer to other brands regarding AF in these difficult tracking situations.
I was waiting for you initial acknowledgment of the Z8.
I value your opinions, so thank you for taking the time.
Z8 incoming. And the auto capture feature they just brought out for the Z9 is a KILLER! Due to come to the z8
Yesssss... I'm right there with Tony at 3:04; I did trade in for a Z8, but that one little dial has been a constant part of my workflow and situational awareness for five years, and though I feel silly complaining about something so little, I do really miss it.
It’s been 5 years and I love my D850 ❤
I love these Casio style TN displays. They are crystal clear in bright sunlight and gives a perfect retro futuristic vibe. Much better than the top display on my R5 in my opinion.
The Casio style displays stay on even when the camera is off. It tells the number of frames remaining on the card, which was always useful. Now it's turn on the camera, see the frames remaining counter, turn the camera off, take the card out, put in a different card, turn the camera on, see the frames remaining in the new card.
Also, the old school "Casio style" LCD without backlight (unless turned on when needed) has negligible power consumption, unlike the modern ones which require permanent and more power hungry backlight (or active (O)LED display) for you to even see anything. This is why they are preferred for status display on DSLRs and it's part of why DSLRs are able to run for so long without charging. (On mirrorless with its EVF, it doesn't matter that much.) It's kind of sad that Tony Northrup keeps making fun of "Casio LCD" without ever mentioning this important detail.
@@michalkubecek It is part of the TH-cam Photography Influencer contract. Find the items you're known for complaining about and hold onto it for dear life... Or at least dear views!
100% agree on the effectiveness of the “Casio readout.” The top readout on my Z8 is impossible to see with polarized sunglasses. A major limitation but otherwise I LOVE the Z8.
Yeah that seems pointless... That screen doesn't need the flexibility of an RGB OLED panel, and it's not worth all the drawbacks:
- Much high power consumption
- Poor visibility to see in bright sun
- Degradation and burn in (especially when at high brightness or exposed to UV)
- Invisible with polarized sunglasses
- Cost
Just seems like new for the sake of new. That screen is for quickly and easily seeing your settings - once it becomes difficult to see or require adjusting brightness or anything, you might as well not have it at all.
I love your content. You are both awesome. Thank you for all of the great info on TH-cam and in SDP. I really appreciate it.
If you put it on "high efficiency *", and only shoot to the fast card, I think you can get nearly unlimited buffer and you wouldn't notice a difference in quality. For wildlife photography I'd recommend that as the way to go.
It woud be cool to have a complete side-by-side comparison (dynamic range, autofocus tracking, high ISO in stills AND video, rolling shutter, buffering, hit rate in bursts, 8K, etc) with the R5, the A7V and the A1 :) Thanks ! :)
Coming soon!
@@TonyAndChelsea I think that will be key, we know Sony and Canon are all over AF but its not until you have them side by side and calculate keeper rate can you be sure. I really want to give Nikon a go as sharpness for me is one of the most important characteristics when shooting wildlife. However they have been in a bad place for so long and having never used them it feels like a risk. I also don't really know what their Macro lens line up looks like the other half of the equation for me.
For me also… Also to see side by side print results. Print is the final result for me and if doesn’t improve it’s not an upgrade but more an update
@@TonyAndChelsea Wait for that promised Z8 AF firmware update expected soon.
Also, my favorite thing about an optical viewfinder is shooting sunsets and being blinded by the sun.
I was out shooting for my first time on mirrorless and it was so amazing photographing a sunset directly from my viewfinder and seeing the results without moving my eye
Optical viewfinders are like driving an Edsel
@@stevep927 one that explodes when your turn the ignition over. Honestly, I don’t know how Chelsea can still tolerate a guy who uses an OVF. gross!
@@Moriningland I was one of the first to go digital and I can still remember the "veterans" saying it would never replace film.
Since when is that a thing?
Also, If the sun is somehow bright enough to blind you through the viewfinder, it's probably enough to damage the sensor which is constantly exposed with mirrorless, and at sunrise/set that probably means a boring, hazy, flat photo anyways...
If anything, mirrorless is worse because of the limited dynamic range and resolution
@@bugostare never realized that. Guess I’m going to have to stop doing time lapses
Love the camera. In my opinion a huge upgrade from the D850, which I loved! My first time out and locking focus on eyes of birds, people running at me !! Quiet, I love it all so much. Like I say huge update to me. I put my 500pf on it wow!
Mirrorless cameras are amazing, but I do feel they became mainstream before the viewfinders were up to the job. I still prefer a DSLR view of the world, but it's only a matter of time before EVFs become comparable with your actual eyesight (i.e. at maximum zoom they still have full resolution indistinguishable from the 'zoomed out' view)
The difference between these cameras is obvious but the D850 will always be a personal favorite. I shoot with the Sony A1 , 600mm f/4 and yet still adore Nikons color science. Would love to test drive the z8 and z9 with z lens.
Great video. Thanks. Very informative and entertaining as well. I plan to keep my D850, and I’m quite happy with the Z7ii.
Lovely video. Just got myself a Pentax 67. This baby produces brilliant pictures, blimey, just for the sake of oldtimey vs moveon discussion. BTW I have got a D850 and ain't changing it for anything else. Got a load of good glass for the F mount. There's nothing that would justify the switch, it's already 100 times better than my skills deserve. I would guess that's the case for many. Thanks for the content guys, you're doing nice stuff, one of the very few I still follow..
Finally some thoughts about the Z8 from you guys , happy to see that 😊
I use the D850 for wildlife photography. You overlooked the fact that the battery grip not only gives you 9 fps but it does make your AF far more responsive. I will not part with my OVF D850 simply because the IQ is absolutely stunning. Plus, as most people are rushing out to buy mirrorless, the market is lush with the best Nikon F fixed focal glass. Photography, to me, remains an optical experience; electronics come in second to help optimize sensor capture. If you’re leaning towards an artistic approach with the best possible IQ, the D850 will never disappoint. If you are more into nailing perfect postures or BIF shots, then go for the Z8. In the end, younger generations will have no qualms working with EVFs but for older generations +65 who spend some 30 years professional years straining their eyes in dual screens, the Optical viewfinder is quite a relief.
Great initial review! Looking forward to more.
Now the Z9 has version 4 firmware, would love if someone did a wildlife AF review!
You both do such a great job and making me care about you, more so than the equipment.
Not to say that your reviews aren't amazing! I'm just saying you both are so fun to watch :D
I'm still rocking the D850 and will continue with such a great camera. Though I'm on the fence until the Z9 gets the Z8's skin softening feature when I go mirrorless.
Tony I agree with you my brother! The DSLR is not dead, plus the D850 is still a beast of a camera. But I can't knock the Z8.
I would really like to know how the vibration reduction works with F Mount Nikon Lens. Does both lens and sensor contribute to the stabilization? If lens VR is ON how does the Z8 use or not use both VR? What if you turn VR off on the lens? Do 3rd party lens cause the Z8 to react differently when VR is on? Lots of conflicting info on TH-cam.
Not everyone do wildlife ...... Besides, spraying the shutter, and hoping for one good shot, is that good photography?
The D500 is what the better photographers use for wildlife. Same pixel density as the D850.
Agree
I think my reason to get a z8 would be to use my dslr lenses because at this point if I sell them I would get enough to get just one lens and that math is not in my favor. But since I like to use my camera with a grip the z9 seems like the better option for me.
Currently using a z8 and z9. Favorite of the flagship cameras.
Thanks for this great review, looking forward to the full one.
I have a D850 with a handful of lenses, mainly third party. I am keen to know if you’d recommend going Z8 (and native lenses), or switch to Canon R5 or Sony A1 with their native lenses? (I prefer the CF Express B of Nikon and Canon.) From what I can tell, Nikon autofocus still behind Canon and Sony.
And finally, are there any anti-alias filters on the leading mirrorless cameras? That was a big deal with D850 and doesn’t seem to be a thing anymore.
Iv been using a Nikon d7100 and 7500 for ever and recently got the z7ii. Loved the specs on z9, but not the price and size. Im definitely going for z8 as its sits in a great position for both features, size and price. Waiting for the hype to calm down and for better availability.
Wow, you guys are finally saying positive things about Nikon cameras, after years of disparaging reviews.
Nikon has made a great deal of progress.
@@TonyAndChelsea There is also the general need for TH-cam photography influencers to emphasize the 3-5% where cameras are different. It's in the YT contract for gear reviews, in any industry, as a means of getting good placement in each viewer's "Recommended Videos". [sarcasm... sort of...]
Crazy, Nikon makes a good camera and it gets a positive review. Shocking.
It’s not them that change it’s the product quality. Finally Nikon introduce something worth investing.
@@Chrisjonovi The idea that prior Nikon products were not worth investing in is absurd.
Yes, on the Z8 we would like to find out more about that patent by RED, for raw video capabilities that is now available to Nikon users
I've been selling the D850 since it came out. Many people were hesitant to switch to Z since the D850 held the standard so high. The Z8 is the true successor the D850, if you're still on the fence about the Z mirrorless system- there's never been a better time to hop into the Z system.
There has never been a better time to go mirror as well. You can buy used dslr camera bodies with all accessories and lens collection for a fraction nowadays.
Yes if you have $4k to spare 😂
Going back to dslr is like watching tv on an old school crt set.
@@youssefhamidi8152 people seem to forget that point. If the z8 was truly a d850 replacement it would've been priced similarly.
@@youssefhamidi8152 Don't be absurd.
Hm, like fringing and noise, editing software could come up with a pushbutton fix for that Borg-like grid flare that totally does create a distracting, unnatural artifact. And I LIKE noise, sensor dust, flares, leaks, and blurs. (for Street photography).
You two had a good day. I wish you all the best.
FINALLY! I’ve been waiting for the Northrups review since May 10. The only other review I took into account was Jared’s.
Fro has to keep finding little niggles to complain about with the Nikon cameras, so he can avoid switching back. 🤣
Just got Z8 and was excited beyond belief. Set menus and went for a test run. It overheated at ONLY 79 STILL frames (I kid you not!). Was using the Sony Tough CFexpress Type B card. Hot card warning and lower-left quadrant almost too hot to touch. At a loss. I'm hanging on to my D850 for sure.
Battery life. I bought a D850 new. I've got top shelf F series glass. And I prefer the optical viewfinder . D850, D810, D3X for portraits. I'm waiting for a mirrorless replacement for the D500, only then will I go mirrorless. Thanks for the review, well done.
Hello you two.
I just received a Z8.
I use my old trusty 500mm f/4 But when the VR is on it runs all the time. It affects the battery life a lot. Do you know if the VR in the camera housing works if I switch off the VR on the lens? Or is it only working on a Z-lens?
Any festival / nightlife photographers that switched from a D850 to a Z8? How is the low-light performace/AF on the Z8 compared to the D850? I'm asking because my Z6II seems to be struggling more than my D750. And I'm torn between getting the D850 and Z8. I also do video so Z8 seems to be the better choice.
I agree w Tony on the tactile dial - my Z8 is on order and I wish it had the D850's dial. That said, I am still loving my old D300 as I await the ZEDEIGHT!
I am a Canon/Sony user who loves vintage Nikon lenses. I would LOVE to own a D850. Such a camera.
There are adapters to put a Nikon F-mount lens on Nikon-Z, Canon-RF, and Sony-FE mounts. The main thing is whether the lens is at least "AI-S", and is not an "E" lens like the 105mm f/1.4E.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I have those adapters. Great things and any Nikon lens works on them perfectly, even Non-AI. Great vintage lenses for sure.
The flipping mirror of an SLR or DSLR is therapeutic in still photography experience. In some mirror less, especially the ones with no black out, you don't feel and don't know when the picture is taken.
yeah why I turn on the sound for the z8. Why I also still have the DF, for that feel.
I have not long bought my D850 and assorted glass (Nikon 200-500, Sigma macro and wide angle etc) so my questions would be how easy will it be to use this glass on the Z8 and get good shots? Secondly, and is often the case with new releases, what's the advantage of waiting 12 months for all issues to be ironed out along with full field tests by you and others? Thanks for the great videos you do. Take care, David
Looking forward to this. Can always count on an honest review here.
Yes Tony, the D850 was perhaps the greatest "DSLR" of all time... although I think the D3 and D300s might also compete for that title. But really, whether you get the Z8, D850, or even a D3 or D300s (despite the D3/D300s being older) you're getting a good camera regardless. In one sense, though, I think the Z8 has a slight edge, not just including the newer technology, but the fact that it can take both the older F-mount lenses (via the FTZ) and the newer Z lenses (which some are greatly improved over their F-mount counterparts). Can't do that with any of the DSLRs.
But as far as a modernized camera (one made within the past 5-6 years) you really can't go wrong with either one, but if you are buying new the Z8 might make more sense, despite being $1500 more (it will have a longer shelf life and will receive more updates -- the D850 is pretty much at the end of its life in terms of support, so no feature updates or bug fixes for the D850, and in some cases, some of the issues with the D850 were improved or fixed on the Z8).
I wouldn't necessarily say the Z8 can kick the D850's butt, although it probably can, but more importantly, Nikon Z shooters now have a viable option that can be used for things like sports/wildlife photography (that doesn't have the extra bulk of the Z9, and it's cheaper). So I think that is the big takeaway here, not that the D850 is better/worse than the Z8, because the Z8 is really just a modernized D850 that can do 8k video and has some refinements over the D850 but it's not like it's worlds better necessarily). Unfortunately the Z7 and Z6 fell short in terms of sports and wildlife photography (not that it can't be done, but it usually lead to a much lower keeper rate than what people were getting with the competition). Now the Z8 allows people to compete on the same level as the A7R IV/V, and the R5 AND it keeps Nikon in the game and helps stop the bleeding from those who perhaps switched when the Z II's came out and they got fed up and went to Sony or Canon. Personally I'm glad I held out and stuck with Nikon (as the cost to switch was too high anyway, but I figured they left a gap in the line-up for a reason and that it would be filled in sooner than later, it was only a matter of time).
Without forgetting the legendary D700
If you can’t make a decent photo on a D850 a Z8 isn’t going to help you. Take up knitting or origami instead.
Amazing review!! Thanks!!! I’m a wedding photographer and always shooting on on 3D tracking on D850. Thinking about to change my 2 cameras for a new setup and the so crazy about the Sony AF strength. How is the z8 behaving in low light situations and autofocus!?
Thank you for your effort. I've upgraded from the D500 to the Z8. I am still playing with different button setups, but so far, I love it. I haven't yet found a quick way to change the subject detection mode, but still looking. I own the 500pf. I would love to see a side by side comparison of the 500pf and the 400/4.5 on the Z8. Focus performance and image quality. Is the 400/4.5 as sharp as the 500pf when cropped to the same image size?
I have never been into taking videos, but now that I have the Z8, I will give it a go. Anything you can do to simplify all the video jargon and setup would be helpful. I get the resolution and frame speed, but .mov, .mp4, 422, 265, nlog, etc, looses me. What's the best for everyday amateur fun shooting? Also, mic setups? Shotgun mic for wildlife?
I too have upgraded from the D500 to the Z8, love it. Still learning the focusing modes. You can assign the FN buttons and the Record video button to change the modes in Still shooting mode.
Chelsea: Sometimes that D850 mirror slaps
Tony: according to the kids today, that's a GOOD thing 😆😂
what is the best camera/lens combination for macro photography ? Insects & Bugs ?
These are my top 2 choices when i upgrade to full frame, so last month I rented Z8 for my daughters senior photos and shot some wildlife too and I really loved it except I somehow kept bumping the very sensitive touch screen and changing my focal point in between shot with my daughter, and I also felt like the screen was smaller than I would have liked and I didn't like how it extended from camera (the mounting seemed cheap and not sturdy) but it was so easy to used after my d5500, the adapter (also rented) did not work for my own lenses even though it was supposed to, so I am glad I also rented a lens. I just picked up a d850 & 2 phenominal lenses from rental to do my cousin's wedding this weekend, thinking I would save money and be able to use my current f-mount lenses until I can afford more lenses, and I am worried I made a mistake, it is so LOUD! I never shoot live view, but I think I will have to during the ceremony to not be disruptive. It also seems to have a steep learning curve for the buttons and functions (at least for me), I like the viewing screen better, but when I am looking through the optical view finder when the camera says it's in focus, it looks nit in focus to me, the pictures come out in focus but is making me very not confident/comfortable not being able to see it in focus before taking the shot.
How is the Z8 for Astrophotography? I use my D850 for that a lot. Also, have you been able to test HSS on the Z8?
I find I am almost - almost - watching your videos for their fun, entertainment value as much as for your advice Tony / Chelsea. The point you made about the better battery life with the mirror was good to know about, and I would have never had any clue without you mentioning it Tony. At the moment, I have my heart set on the Sony a7R V, which I realize is mirrorless. I don't shoot wildlife, so 20 frames per second is of no importance to me.
The mirrorless camera is a full-time video camera with a TV monitor. Battery life depends more on the percentage of time the camera is 'sleeping'. The Z9/Z8 are instant-on rather than needing several seconds to 'boot up', so the Nikons can be set to turn off sooner, saving battery power.
Sony photographers often talk about 'color science'. It is mentioned a lot less with Nikon cameras because the colors just seem right. The difference between 45mp and 61mp is the difference between a 20 x 30" print and a 23 x 34.5" print. Who will notice that?
I’ve consistently heard reviewers say the autofocus on the Z8/Z9 if very good, but not on the same level as the modern Sony and Canon cameras. I’m curious how the Nikon cameras’ autofocus compares to an older Sony camera like the A9.
I was just thinking to myself where is Tony & Chelsea's thoughts on the Z8? then this popped up! 😊
Hey - is Nikon worth switching too?
I would like to know about a true dynamic range for the landscape and portraits shot.. Thanks always..
Great video and thanks. I have the D850 and just hate to spend all of the extra money for the Z8. I guess these are good problems to have. Again, thanks.
Well done devils advocate production. I feel better now about not being able to afford going mirrorless. I will keep my 2 D850s and full range of landscape and wildlife lenses. As an underfunded retiree it is torture not have the latest and greatest any longer.
Great angle on the review guys! I was beginning to think you had snubbed Nikon its been ages since the Nikon Z8 has been announced! Defo my next camera! Weldone Nikon. See Northrups Nikon are not going any where and sales of the Z8 and Z9 are through the roof! Next up the Z6iii please
KEH was the second major impact of your channel, the first one was the book. At this moment KEH has live to your recommendation. Is not true that the D850's was Chelsea's camera? I seem to remember that the 105mm f1.4 was her present for a mother's day or something?
I would have a d850 or d500 with 200-500 , for sports and bird/animal photography . the pictures which comes out of it is so good .. as Nikon where late to launch it’s mirrorless I moved out to sony for video purposes and now thinking of moving to Fuji,, but will always hold on to one of d500 or d850 just for birding .
My biggest concerns with switching to Mirrorless has been how small the camera is, compatibility of my F mount lenses that took me quite a while to collect. I mean I know the FTZ adapter I know is supposed to help but I can not manually focus as fast as the camera can. I bought a D7000 to upgrade from my D2x and it was so small. I find myself shooting with the D2x more often. It actually was one of the reasons that led me to take step away from photography for a while. I'm back at it again now and have been considering the D780 with a vertical grip as I'm pretty sure all my lenses are compatible with it but then I'm like should I get the D850 instead? The Z8 has my interests peaked but I'm still not so sure about my old F Mount lenses and being functional with it...
d780 has the same sensor PDAF as the z6. I just got the z8, it is like a d750 size. D850 are for big hand people, which most mirrorless except for the z9 are just smaller. Ihave 10 f mount lenses and just 3 z lenses. I still use the f mount on the ftz. I still own the d750 and DF. I go the z8 and z30 also. It is just what I feel like shooting. Big heavy dslr DF (I got a pinky extender). In rain i pull out the d750, if it gets wets I don't care. Z8 for most other things, and z30 for video and walkaround since it is mall and cheap.
@@xophaser I had a Z6II in my hands and it was tight for my hands kinda like the D7000. The D610 feels much better with the vertical grip, more like my D100 with a grip, D2x. So all of your old lenses work just as they would on a F Mount Body?
@@justplanefred yes all the f mount af-s does. I can't tell the differences. I have 1 af-d and it is the screwdriver AF, and it doesn't AF. I used the battery grip for the z7ii, but sold both of it to fund the z8.
Looking through the viewfinder made my mind up not to go mirror-less. I can live without all the other bells and whistles, most of the stuff I will never use. Most of the time I don't even use the auto-focus. I was brought up with cameras in the 60s and if one missed a shot, one missed it! The one thing I don't really miss is all those chemical fumes in the darkroom.
If the camera and lens combination is large and heavy it has to have an optical viewfinder.
What can fit in a side pocket doesn't have to have an optical viewfinder.
I bought a 14-24 nikon lens from KEH and the lens was faulty and obviously NOT! tested, I sent it back and they gave me a refund but I have not been able to get the duty back. I would never buy from KEH again try MPB as I am, I am going to trade all my F mount equipment in. So word to the wise stay away from KEH
I've used KEH before and like them. But the negative of KEH is that they do not give you shutter counts on their cameras. For that reason alone, I often choose to purchase off of Fred Miranda.
I went from a D850 to a Z9. The $6k plus $2k for memory cards was a very good investment for as much as I use it. I went from 10 pics a month with a D850 to two hundred pics every month because I love the Z9 so much.
Wow
10 pics a month?
@@MarcelloBranca All I was doing with a D850. The Z9 though, I'm thousands of pictures behind.
just a question , why you guys have to keep the sensor exposed ?
And already prepared for the next video: How sensor cleaning works on the Z8 compared to the D850.
Haha love watching you guys! Still own a 8008S...D200, D700, D850, Z6ii, and a Z8...and toooooo many F mount lenses! Plus a few Z lenses...I like them all!!! (GAS)
Ok not gonna give up on my D850! So much to love about it! And I don't have the budget for the Z9. I, however am considering buying another D850
This has nothing to do with the review, but the intro drone footage is nice. I've never seen Harkness from that viewpoint before. Thanks.
Yeah. Tony has a point. I love an optical view finder and how I get to see how beautiful the image is in the viewfinder even if the end result doesn’t look the same.
Haha! The d850 is the best dslr but I am loving my z8 so much, I could never imagine going back
For real, this is something I’m so happy to leave behind. It has always frustrated me to see such a beautiful image I. The viewfinder only to chimp and be disappointed with the result. Seeing what you are going to get in the viewfinder is beyond amazing
I went from EVF back to OVF and don't miss it one bit. The WYSIWYG you soon get over that
For me the EVF of my Z6 is a big plus - I like to mess around with various lenses and filters, and the WYSIWYG is very important to me when I put a microscope objective on a PB-6 bellows (Utter darkness in OVF), or when I use IR low pass filters to get IR capabilities on the cheap (Again, black OVF). I also like the fact that I get to see APS-C sized views when I switch to crop-sensor mode, and that I can zoom in to check my focus.
Lol. I loved you called him out for being dramatic.😂😂😂 couldn’t stop laughing.
As a wildlife photographer the tradeoff is with mirrorless you get a viewfinder that's not nearly the pleasure to look at that a great accumat-type SLR screen is. The colors in every high end mirrorless viewfinder I've tried (Nikon Z9 Sony A9 Canon R5) are just whacked and the refresh rate flicker is jarring. If only I could just have a viewfinder display as good as my 3 year-old mid-grade OLED Pixel phone, I'd have been sold on mirrorless years ago. (When that happens I'll soon come to adore mirrorless for the many, many advantages while shooting video)
Must be YT compression on the sharpness shots because I can't see any difference at all.
"That mirror slaps" is the most hip thing Chelsea said in this video. haha.
The Z8 is just so so good. I’m so glad I got it on the release day.
Sold my D850 after my Z9 arrived. I’m keeping my D4S as a backup until the Z9ii is released.
"Shippit, shippit to me baby!" Chelsea always cracks me up.
Thank you!!!
Tony & Chelsea, patients is a virtue!
I was planning to upgrade from my D7200 with the Z9, then a used D850 to save money, and now the Z8.
You two have sold me as a wildlife landscape photographer.
One day you two will enjoy a restaurant gift certificate from me.
Thanks again for the comparison of Nikon's flagship cameras .😊
A couple of thoughts. If the difference between $1400 & $4000 is not a problem then go for the Z8. On the subject of the Loud D850 shutter giving you a chance of only one bird shot before it flies away: an $800 used Canon 1DX has pretty good focus tracking and 12 fps so you could take that birding if you don't have $4000 for a new Z8 or even $1400 for a used D850.
What about a used Z7 which can be bought for the same amount as the D850 (use case = bird photography)?
@@kilian9591 z7 handling with anything bigger than a 50 1.8 is absolutely terrible. its like a d3100, but more boxy.
the d850 has a silent mode, which significantly reduces noise. its not mirrorless silent, tho. also, the d800 is ALOT louder than the d850. id say almost twice as much. saying the d850 is "so loud" isnt actually a true statement. its quite silent for a fullframe slr.
I would like to know how the aftermarket lenses tamaron etc. Compare in quality with the Z mount lenses. Thanks love your videos.
Some of the Nikon Z mount lenses are made by Tamron, such as the Nikon 17-28mm f/2.8, 28-75mm f/2.8, and imminent 70-180mm f/2.8.
If my camera breaks in 5 to 10 years, I will check Keh for nikon z50 or R100. Good service.
Another great video Tony and Chelsea. I just got the Z8 after holding out for a long time as a D850 diehard. Question is whether there is still a use case for the D850 or should i now completely to mirrorless with the Z8 in hand. thanks
The Z glass sings!
@@williambuford6136 thanks! I keep hearing that and I am sure that is right but does that mean there is no longer a use case for the D850?
@@melvinsng2292 The D850 is a legendary camera. It was to be the upgrade to my D500. But at the time I was at the local camera store they were out of stock so I decided to take the Mirrorless plunge summer 2021. I grew to really like mirrorless photography and only used my D500 for Sports/Action/Wildlife. The Z8 feels great in the hand like the D500/D850. I have medium size hands. I have been slowing sell my F-mount glass and buying the Z-mount. The Ibis has made hand held photography better with my prime lens.
I was doing some handheld photography with my 200-500mm F5.6 with the Z8 recently and I was pleasantly surprised with the Results.(Don't use the lens sport mode VR!)
I’ve had something I have wanted to ask guys for a long time. What in the hell do you have against body lens caps?
I use my D850 primarily for landscape and architecture. Is the image quality of the Z8 with Z pro glass THAT much better than the D850? Or do you have to pixel peep to see the difference?
I own a Nikon D850 with Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8 FX AF-S G ED and Nikon Z7ii also have the NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S - The Z series S line is better. Noticeably when backlit and some other ways Tony described as far as sharpness. But that all depends on what your final output is. All of these are excellent choices in bodies and optics. But if you appreciate the differences, then it has value. There isn’t a wrong decision.
@@saarin0tsorry thanks!
Please check out the Z8 & Z 400mm f4.5 lens. Its a really lightweight combo that can get you upto 600mm f4.5 exposure at 20MP (DX photo mode). With a 1.4 Tc you can get upto 840mm at f6.3 exposure in DX photo Mode. In video 4K120p DX video mode you can get upto 920mm & with a 1.4 Tc, upto 1288mm. Its crazy reach for a 1.2Kg lens, due to the 2.3x crop factor in DX mode for 4k120p. I think there is a 2x High Res Zoom without loss of quality in 4k24p in FX mode. That is equivalent to 800mm f4.5 FX video reach and 1120mm f6.3 FX video reach with a 1.4 Tc. Its looks insane for such a lightweight combo.
@Tony we need a Sony Alpha A 7 R V menu setting tutorial like in the other cameras!!! Please!
Funny, in all the years I was a professional photographer, like most of my colleagues, we never talked about our tools. I shoot with a Samsung NX 30 now I am retired, and the results are perfect. I payed 120 Euro's 4 the thing.
A D850 is totally worth it still if you don't need it for video. If you can afford it, then a Z8 might be for you. The new Z8 looks like a winner with some advanced technology, good for upgrading. The Z8 seems like a worthy successor to D850. (unless you prefer optical viewfinders).
Having a Nikon D500 and added a D850 a month ago. I think there is more to this than just the ticket price of the body. I waited for the Z8 to come out, but to use that 20 FPS you need CFexpress cards and a reader, you just added on £500. Then Do you really want a top-of-the-line Z8 and use an FTZ converter?. I decided to go with a D850 with a shutter count of 6100 a Tamron 24-70mm 2.8 G2 and a Tamron 70-200mm 2.8 G2 both amazing value second hand. Total cost all like brand new £3000. A Z8 with Nikon Z lens 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 Total as it's all got to be new with mem cards over £9000. To me, the Z8 is not worth it and I only shot stills. Not interested in Vidio at all. Also thanks to you both I went for the 2 Tamrons Lens, they are amazing on the D850 with the 5 stops of VR both lenses have. A huge bonus is the 70-200 on the D500, 105-300 2.8 with the VR, very cool.
Can you test the Nikon F mount holy trinity lenses on the Z8 vs the D810/D850?
Could you also test third party Nikon F mount lenses on the Z8 with the FTZ II adapter (e.g. a Tamron or Sigma F mount lens on the Z8 camera)?
Major thanks for keeping up with the honest reviews and content!
Hi. Check our Nikon Lens review playlist on our channel for our reviews of the 24-70 and 70-200. They were done on the Z7 and D850 which have the same IQ as th eD850.
Honestly we were never particularly happy with how third-party lenses focused on F-mount bodies so we stopped recommending them at some point.
@@TonyAndChelsea Thanks! I will review that video again. I must've forgot that part!
I have had decent success with Tamron on my Nikon D810. Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 Di Macro 1:1 VC USD and a Tamron 100-400mm f/4.5-6.3 Di VC USD. Nikon never made a first party 100-400mm focal range which I think is a stellar landscape and light duty wildlife lens that is "light" enough to go hiking.
I was very happy to see that Nikon announced a 100-400mm lens for the Z mount. When I can afford the platform that will definitely be a buy!
@@TonyAndChelsea would buying an F mount Tamron 100-400 be a mistake then?
@@PJ-om2wq I have been running a Nikon D810 and the Tamron 100-400mm f/4.5-6.3 Di VC USD and really like it! Its one of my favorite lenses and goes with me everywhere. I would definitely buy the lens again if the unit broke.
@@NPzed The z100-400mm is favorite lens for hiking and wildlife duty. I have used it mostly with my Z6ii. I will be using it with the Z8 soon.