Its 2021 and I just got a 2013 500e with 34400 miles, and I love it, I just changed the plug to 240 volts, that even make better, thanks to a Japanese owner who kept the Car in very clean condition
@Luis I am very pleased with my Fiat, after a year of driving around , I can't complain , full charge ,driving in the freeways gives me 85 miles total, but street driving , I can drive 30 miles and it will only use 4-5 miles of battery range because of the regeneration braking, this thing is quick at take offs
There's a Units setting in one of the instrument cluster menus which allows you to change the economy meter to miles per KWH. Much more useful than MPGe!
Can you change the speedometer from miles per hour to KM per hour? A Dutch company is importing 500e's from the US to the Netherlands, but I don't think they will sell well if it displays the speed in MPH.
We never mention credits and always talk full MSRP for several reasons. The tax credit is not applicable if you lease. Credits do not reduce the value of the transaction as you have to file for the credit with your taxes. Most importantly, the credit's value is determined by your tax situation. The credit cannot turn your tax liability to a negative, so if you don't pay more than $7500 in federal taxes the value is reduced. You should always consult a tax professional prior to buying.
My wife has this exact car (even the same color) and she absolutely loves it. I get to drive it on the weekend's and let me tell you it is the most fun car I have ever driven! It flat out rips on take off leaving others in the dust. It's so quiet and solid feel to it. I'm thinking about getting rid of my Lexus hybrid (22.5 average mpg) ad getting myself one. BTW you get $2,500 REBATE even if you lease it. This car literally pays for itself when you add up the fuel savings and gov. Rebates. How can you go wrong????
The 500e bases its DTE on a much smaller sample size than the average car, as a result the numbers jump up and down wildly depending on the road. What I am saying is a more rational longer average coupled with a display of how many kWh remain.
This is a really good, comprehensive, conscientious review. Thank you for this. I look forward to seeing your other reviews. One note on price -- the advertised lease deals look quite good, and that's the way many California drivers will buy this car. Shame it's only available in CA...
It should be noted about the cost that you can get a very substantial portion of the cost ($7500) rebated to you through the federal EV tax credit (plus a $2500 rebate through CA), which makes this financially much more attractive.
+DaeguKyle ONLY if you pay 7500 in taxes. The average tax liability is only 4000, so that's the amount of tax credit you would get back (instead of the full amount) .
It shares the same top speed as the 1981 DeLorean DMC-12 from Back To The Future. Because I've never seen that car go faster. LOL. The 500e should be fitted with a Flux Capacitor at least.
The Lavender Town Project there’s a guy a couple doors down they has a replica back to the future car! Wonder If I could borrow the flux for a couple photos! 😆
2020, nearly seven years later Fiat is no longer selling any version of the 500 in the US and there are hundreds of used 500e's for sale, why is that? I bought a used 2013 Abarth because they are a riot to drive, such a shame Americans don't get it.
I am looking at an 18 with 14k miles. $3000 back in our area. If I can get it under $9000, it’s $6000. I only drive in town, 3500 miles a year. It sounds perfect.
I was going to get the 500e but Fiat lied about the lease prices and were selling the car for extremely expensive prices compared to their 199 a month lease and 999 down, so i went with the Smart ED. I love the smart and its pretty quick but still wouldn't have minded the 500e since its way faster, that test drive with 3 adults in the car and it just hauled ass to 70 it was crazy.
+alanlovedog OKAY EUROPEANS: You goto McDonalds or Coffee shop or some other drive-through restaurant. You buy a milkshake or juice or coffee. WHERE DO YOU PUT IT? Even if you don't drink the beverage you still need to pt it someplace. . Do you just lay the cup in your lap and pray it does not spill on you? (Seems pretty damn dumb if you ask me....) ,
+electrictroy2010 That's easy, they don't have drive-throughs because in some countries you can't drink and drive that way, it's like the anti-cell phone laws here.
+electrictroy2010 it would be in a bag with a lid on until i reached my destination? - assuming i'd go to a place like mcdonalds of course. when i eat it tends to be sitting on a chair with the dinner on a table.
What is the average range of this car with a full charge? Did I miss that info somewhere in the video? I would think that would be the first thing mentioned, here in LA it's the benchmark number for all EV's. By the way I am a 500 owner but it's a 2019 Abarth, because if the car is not available with a manual transmission or trackable, I won't buy it.
Officially 84 miles, some people say they get a 100 or more based on the range estimator which is extremely inaccurate. Freeway range is around 55 miles, hills cost range.
So these were only for sale in CA when new, but I see a few for sale on Ebay as used vehicles. So if I buy a used on there and ship it here to WA state, will my local Fiat dealer not be able to service it?
im also concerned about that, im not sure a normal dealership would service it probably going to have to ship it back to CA every time there's something serious with it
Menu buttons, you might have to be in the home screen first, button on the end of the right (wipers) stalk. Might have to be in accessory mode, don't turn the key all the way.
I really wish I could go down to Atlanta and lease one of these...I am devastated that it's CA only :( The Rav4 EV too...I just can't bring myself to buy a Leaf or Spark EV and I am pissed at Ford for ending the $11,750 lease credit :(
I would like to know what it costs to buy a KwH and compare cost-of-operation to a typical gasoline car. We don't burn gas to acquire electricity, so I suspect the cost-per-mile is much lower than a gas car.
I guess-timate $ equivalent of 60 to 105 MPG for power @17 cents /KWh (S.Cal). No timing belt change, no tune up, no California smog check, no oil change, fewer or no brake/rotor jobs. Goes through tires a little quicker than gas equivalent. The dream is to run it off solar.
Dude - you forgot the most awesome part of this car - the phone app. Yup you can control a bunch of stuff with it and tell wherever the car is. Awesome if you manage to lose a bright orange car in a parking lot OR want to keep track of where your kids are ;)
Cents per mile works on every car. Fuel type doesn't matter. My EV is 3 cents per mile. My CNG car is 8 cents per mile. My gasoline car is 15 cents per mile.
That's exactly what I thought when I heard that! (and perhaps the intended "nod" to us geeky enough to recognize?) ...and to top it all off, you almost literally need a bolt of lightning...
To correctly asses the quality or performance of an electric car, you ned to have algorithm data as per battery-controller-drivetrain-tire friction, system behaviour, provided by the manufacturer, as specifications in the form of "kilowatt/hours per kilometre/ton (mile/pounds)" as consumed from the electric meter, and adjusted for charger,controller and motor inefficiently.
exactly MPGe is completely useless and irrelevant i do not understand why it keeps getting advertised it has nothing to with the actual estimated electric range you will get and it just makes no sense.
MPGe is dumb but as long as we have old guys making laws then we have to talk in their speak so they can grasp things. It has nothing to do with gas just dumb. What bothers me is he thinks this looks good like a Tesla LOL! Second that is a charger because it is the source of the power that the batteries will store. Third who sits in the back of cars like those....really! What does that matter in a car like that. I still think the Spark is better....electric version that is.
Dumb idea stop trying to put a round peg in a square hole. Plain and simply tell me the amount of charge my battery gives and the distance. I don't need someone trying to correlate it to something else.
You did not get my post I said just what you just said with the addition I don't need a gas variable included to understand cost. When I say size of the battery I'm talking about how many kwh then I need to know the RANGE . I don't need to know a gas equivalency.
I use battery percentage and trip meter, ignore the mpge and the range estimator. Used Fiats were $2,000 less, faster level 2 charging, quicker 0 to 30mph. SparkyEV has a great dash and better back seats. If someone could come up with an aftermarket fix to those ugly nostril headlights, it wouldn't look too bad, the proportions are all wrong.
24 kWh capacity lets you drive 111 miles. Here in California we’re paying on average around $0.30 per kWh to PG&E (yes the overnight EV rate is a lot lower but do you really plan on shutting off the power during the day? At least voluntarily? Makes more sense to use the average if you’re getting raked over the coals for your daytime use.). So assuming around a 20% charging efficiency loss we’re looking at $9 to go 111 miles, or around 8 cents a mile. This translates to around 49 mpg to go the same distance for the equivalent amount of regular unleaded at $4 a gallon. By contrast even at $4 a gallon regular unleaded a modern Prius can be run for around 7 cents a mile. And the numbers will be even worse if you use commercial chargers. And you get to pay thousands of dollars extra upfront for the privilege. Still not buying the economic argument for owning an EV.
Looks like you really made it not work. I live in Southern California, 17 cents /Kwh off peak, I charge near work at 18 cents /Kwh. Range is approximately 55 MI, mostly freeway. 3+ years, no problem. If you don't want to make any accommodations, you should stick to a gas car.
@@rp9674 You can look up the PG&E EV rate plans yourself, the current rates are 19 cents per kWh off peak, 39 cents mid peak and 50 cents on peak. A straight average would be 36 cents per kWh so if anything I’m underestimating the actual cost. It’s great if you live in a part of the country where you’re paying 5 cents but that’s just not the reality here in Northern California.
S. Cal SCE time of use D prime plan is 19c/KWh 9p - 4p I only charge at low rate, no prob, I think it used to be 17c. Charging near work is 18c/KWh. I know 2 places I can charge free, but they're not worth the inconvenience.
I'm 6 ft 2, wish it had telescoping instead of tilt. I have a bad shoulder and it hurts it. You can install an extension spacer but it's over $200 in a fair amount of work. The regen is good on this car, I like that it uses a little regen in coast & more in braking. Regardless of what a display says you get average or better range for this battery size EV, on par with BMW i3.
two facts: i own a modern 500e and second: sadly you use miles instead of kilometers and gallons instad of liters, which measures the rest of the world has no chance to understand and more: they are reciprocal to ours, namely not km/kW but kW/100 km like our usual l/100 km. i wonder when you eventually will abolish those kind of medieval measures.... i can add my personal experience with the modern new 500e. it has a 42/37 kW battery with a WLTP range of 320 km (199ml), can be charged either 3-phase wallbox in about 3,5 hrs, or 20-80% high voltage in 30 min. with an emergency cable you can charge it on 220vV in about 13 hrs. the infotainment/information is with a 10" touchscreen, you have differend view modes of the speedomert, even the navigation can be shown. you can choose between low battery model with 24 kWh, my version and e luxury edition la prima/By Bocelli with "full house " feature. you can buy it as a convertible (+3000) and a third door on the right (+2000] the prcies have risen a lot, yor know ther reasons (Putin/Ukraine/raw materials)instead of 31.000€ last year my Icon version costs 35.000 now, by bocelly costs 39.000€ (prices 2023) it is a completely new construction with slightly greater sizes (+6 cm b/w) i bought it last year, urban consumption 11-12 kW/100 km in daily urban use, ( =17Wh/100ml or reciprocal 5,9 miles/kWh. i am very satisfied (contented?), it is an ideal car for us elder couple. it needs nearly no maintenance, becausde ther is nothing to maintain🙂 we sold our BMW and never regretted it, it offers all (and more than) we need.
Well, Tesla hasn't handled the legal side of their patent release yet. Even if they do however there would be little benefit to the other companies out there, there is little in Tesla's patent portfolio that is earth-shattering. There are battery, motor and control system patents, but are they inherently "better" than the similar patents from the other car companies? It's hard to say.
+Alex on Autos FIAT and also Ford could gain benefit from Tesla's level 3 superchargers (500 volt). I drove the 500e last night, but the lack of level 3 was a dealbreaker. I don't have to stand in a parking lot for 3 hours while the car slowly fills .
For example, for the 24Kw/h you put in the pack, you have to consume 27ish* and then the controller and motor use only about 20Kw/h and waste the rest as heat, therefore you pay for 7K for every 20 actual Kw/h used in motion. witch is a whopping (30+%)compounded inefficiency. Some electric cars are more electric than others.
Let me see. A 24 kWh battery, 1.21 GW of electricity.... (2.4 * 10^-5 GWh) * (3600 seconds/h) / 1.21 GW = 0.0714 seconds So, assuming a flux capacitor and ignoring wiring current limits...if the whlole time travel process takes roughly less than a 10th of a second...this electrical sucker might actually pull it off!
88 mph in a fiat ...that's definitely a thrill ride . I owned a 76 128 that was absolute junk and made me nuts ..they might get a slight collectible bump when they leave the USA again .
Used Fiats were $2,000 less, faster level 2 charging, quicker 0 to 30mph. SparkyEV has a great dash and better back seats. If someone could come up with an aftermarket fix to those ugly nostril headlights, it wouldn't look too bad, the proportions are all wrong.
Correct, if they made the seats all vinyl I would have been happier, I think they stopped making white fabric upholstery. I still love the cream white dash.
"tops out at 88 MPH".
Fast enough to go back in time.
i guess Im kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released tv shows online?
@Jonas Johnathan I watch on flixzone. You can find it on google =)
@Blake Pablo definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for since april myself :)
@Blake Pablo Thanks, signed up and it seems like a nice service :) I appreciate it !!
@Jonas Johnathan No problem :)
As an EV shopper now, this was the most in-depth vid on this tempting car. Very helpful!
Thanks, Alex!
Oliver Burke what EV did u end up getting?
This is probably the most comprehensive review of a car i have ever watched.
Smartest guy reviewing cars on TH-cam!
Its 2021 and I just got a 2013 500e with 34400 miles, and I love it, I just changed the plug to 240 volts, that even make better, thanks to a Japanese owner who kept the Car in very clean condition
I lived w/ 110v for a year, really appreciated 220v when I got it!
@Luis I am very pleased with my Fiat, after a year of driving around , I can't complain , full charge ,driving in the freeways gives me 85 miles total, but street driving , I can drive 30 miles and it will only use 4-5 miles of battery range because of the regeneration braking, this thing is quick at take offs
This is one of the most informative and entertaining videos I’ve seen on this car. Great job! You obviously know you’re stuff. Keep it up. Thank you.
There's a Units setting in one of the instrument cluster menus which allows you to change the economy meter to miles per KWH. Much more useful than MPGe!
that's great to know!
Can you change the speedometer from miles per hour to KM per hour?
A Dutch company is importing 500e's from the US to the Netherlands, but I don't think they will sell well if it displays the speed in MPH.
FLHBR yes you can
Nice review of the 500e and electric vehicles in general.
Alex, you are by far the best car reviewer out there. Very impressed!
What a great review! I wish all TH-cam reviews could be so informative and straightforward!
Great video! Nice to see someone who has a decent knowledge of electic vehicles to make a well informed review. Thanks a lot.
Impressive review! First time leaving a review feeling educated and informed! Great Job! Subscribed.
That was the most informative video on a Fiat 500e! Great job!
Great review, Alex. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to your next review.
We never mention credits and always talk full MSRP for several reasons. The tax credit is not applicable if you lease. Credits do not reduce the value of the transaction as you have to file for the credit with your taxes. Most importantly, the credit's value is determined by your tax situation. The credit cannot turn your tax liability to a negative, so if you don't pay more than $7500 in federal taxes the value is reduced. You should always consult a tax professional prior to buying.
My wife has this exact car (even the same color) and she absolutely loves it. I get to drive it on the weekend's and let me tell you it is the most fun car I have ever driven! It flat out rips on take off leaving others in the dust. It's so quiet and solid feel to it. I'm thinking about getting rid of my Lexus hybrid (22.5 average mpg) ad getting myself one. BTW you get $2,500 REBATE even if you lease it. This car literally pays for itself when you add up the fuel savings and gov. Rebates. How can you go wrong????
Randy Rogers 5 years later is there an update on the Fiat 500e?
What if you buy it used?
Still good at end of 2021!
@@rp9674 probably battery already died
Still going strong, a little degredation. 1 alignment, no other maintenance.
The 500e bases its DTE on a much smaller sample size than the average car, as a result the numbers jump up and down wildly depending on the road. What I am saying is a more rational longer average coupled with a display of how many kWh remain.
Alex, you are doing a great job!
This is a really good, comprehensive, conscientious review. Thank you for this. I look forward to seeing your other reviews. One note on price -- the advertised lease deals look quite good, and that's the way many California drivers will buy this car.
Shame it's only available in CA...
Extremely informative! Congrats!
Thanks Alex! This is my very attainable dream car, haha.
These reviews are awesome!
Best review I've ever seen
It should be noted about the cost that you can get a very substantial portion of the cost ($7500) rebated to you through the federal EV tax credit (plus a $2500 rebate through CA), which makes this financially much more attractive.
+DaeguKyle ONLY if you pay 7500 in taxes. The average tax liability is only 4000, so that's the amount of tax credit you would get back (instead of the full amount)
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+DaeguKyle ALSO you can buy one of these used for 9000 dollars, so a lot lot lot cheaper than new, even with the credits
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Great Review. Very informative. Thank you
It shares the same top speed as the 1981 DeLorean DMC-12 from Back To The Future. Because I've never seen that car go faster. LOL. The 500e should be fitted with a Flux Capacitor at least.
The Lavender Town Project there’s a guy a couple doors down they has a replica back to the future car! Wonder If I could borrow the flux for a couple photos! 😆
I love how he does these "exclusive trunk comfort index" with straight face :D
2020, nearly seven years later Fiat is no longer selling any version of the 500 in the US and there are hundreds of used 500e's for sale, why is that? I bought a used 2013 Abarth because they are a riot to drive, such a shame Americans don't get it.
On the other hand, great prices for those of us who do
VERY informative video! Thank you
Good review, packed with information, unbiased.
I am looking at an 18 with 14k miles. $3000 back in our area. If I can get it under $9000, it’s $6000. I only drive in town, 3500 miles a year. It sounds perfect.
this was an awesome, awesome review. Thanks!
Great review!! Dam you put out a lot of great information
In the US market it's California only, but Canada has EV requirements so it is sold in some Canadian markets as well.
Excellent detailed review. Thanks a bunch.
I was going to get the 500e but Fiat lied about the lease prices and were selling the car for extremely expensive prices compared to their 199 a month lease and 999 down, so i went with the Smart ED. I love the smart and its pretty quick but still wouldn't have minded the 500e since its way faster, that test drive with 3 adults in the car and it just hauled ass to 70 it was crazy.
excellent REVIEW !
how long will this fiat 500e last? you think it can go 150k miles on the odometer
There are some, but the Infiniti G37 drop-top received a zero, so 3 is much better!
Good review .Much nicer than my POP
learned a lot! thanks! esp about cali laws and brakes!
Wow you are a really good host!
Very very clear!!
Thanks
Excellent review
Very professional.
Great revieuw thanks.
great detail!
88 mph?? Does it run on 1.21 gigawatts too??
Nice review Alex. That's at least got to be a 3 on the trunk comfort index, though...there must be much worse in drop-tops, no?
totally understand the kWh/hour vs. mpg on electric
What's with Americans and cup holders? Do people really drive around witha drink to hand!?
alanlovedog You should visit America, it's like a carnival ride, drink in one hand, candy floss in the other. Look Ma! No hands! Weeee!
alanlovedog No driving around with a drink in your hand is dangerous. WHICH IS WHY YOU NEED CUPHOLDERS.
+alanlovedog OKAY EUROPEANS: You goto McDonalds or Coffee shop or some other drive-through restaurant. You buy a milkshake or juice or coffee. WHERE DO YOU PUT IT? Even if you don't drink the beverage you still need to pt it someplace. . Do you just lay the cup in your lap and pray it does not spill on you? (Seems pretty damn dumb if you ask me....)
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+electrictroy2010 That's easy, they don't have drive-throughs because in some countries you can't drink and drive that way, it's like the anti-cell phone laws here.
+electrictroy2010 it would be in a bag with a lid on until i reached my destination? - assuming i'd go to a place like mcdonalds of course. when i eat it tends to be sitting on a chair with the dinner on a table.
they should make this in the color and interior for the non electric versions! somehow the worlds happiest car just got more happy!
As scientist and programmer, I love that you use 0. In that case, agreed...spot-on! :)
What is the average range of this car with a full charge? Did I miss that info somewhere in the video? I would think that would be the first thing mentioned, here in LA it's the benchmark number for all EV's. By the way I am a 500 owner but it's a 2019 Abarth, because if the car is not available with a manual transmission or trackable, I won't buy it.
Officially 84 miles, some people say they get a 100 or more based on the range estimator which is extremely inaccurate. Freeway range is around 55 miles, hills cost range.
love this!
can you imagine how bright it is when driving during the day?
So these were only for sale in CA when new, but I see a few for sale on Ebay as used vehicles. So if I buy a used on there and ship it here to WA state, will my local Fiat dealer not be able to service it?
Tron we just got them here in PA as well!! They said they can service them!
What service? It is electric!
buildmorefarms100
I was thinking in terms of potential warranty issues.
im also concerned about that, im not sure a normal dealership would service it
probably going to have to ship it back to CA every time there's something serious with it
Disconnecting the 12 volt battery fixes some of the charging issues & should be tried for any issue.
Hi. One question: how can I set the Italian language on my 500e? Thank you
Menu buttons, you might have to be in the home screen first, button on the end of the right (wipers) stalk. Might have to be in accessory mode, don't turn the key all the way.
It tops out at 88 mph because that is what is required for the flux capacitor option to work.
top review Alex ...good on ya
Yes, it’s an EVSE (or charging cable), not a charger. Thank you.
I really wish I could go down to Atlanta and lease one of these...I am devastated that it's CA only :( The Rav4 EV too...I just can't bring myself to buy a Leaf or Spark EV and I am pissed at Ford for ending the $11,750 lease credit :(
I would like to know what it costs to buy a KwH and compare cost-of-operation to a typical gasoline car. We don't burn gas to acquire electricity, so I suspect the cost-per-mile is much lower than a gas car.
I guess-timate $ equivalent of 60 to 105 MPG for power @17 cents /KWh (S.Cal). No timing belt change, no tune up, no California smog check, no oil change, fewer or no brake/rotor jobs. Goes through tires a little quicker than gas equivalent.
The dream is to run it off solar.
Dude - you forgot the most awesome part of this car - the phone app. Yup you can control a bunch of stuff with it and tell wherever the car is. Awesome if you manage to lose a bright orange car in a parking lot OR want to keep track of where your kids are ;)
app reviews are really bad... has it been working for you?
It only works for 3 years, they won't reactivate it for any price.
question :
is it possible to charge it with 380volt ?
no quick charge for the fiat 500e
electrictroy2010
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Cents per mile works on every car. Fuel type doesn't matter. My EV is 3 cents per mile. My CNG car is 8 cents per mile. My gasoline car is 15 cents per mile.
I love it! And I can get over 90 miles on mine. Great little get-around car
Bunny Tail tell me more about your 500e. I never knew they existed until I was listening to an electric car podcast this weekend
How do u charge? 110 or 240? Info on that. Thanks
110v charging is OK for overnight or all day charging,
220v does empty to 100% in under 4 hours.. range is about 55 mi at over 70 mph.
Why is this not available in the UK?
Current question why is the new 500e not available in USA, answer - Americans don't value small cars properly.
Actually you can change consumption unit to kw
This car is available only in California, but customers in Canada won't get the tomtom! Am I missing something???
Good question
The leasing agency will always qualify for the credit, the lease should reflect that.
That's exactly what I thought when I heard that! (and perhaps the intended "nod" to us geeky enough to recognize?)
...and to top it all off, you almost literally need a bolt of lightning...
At the end when you're talking about pricing, why do you neglect to mention the $7,500 federal tax credit and state incentives for buying EVs?
Adding a grille wouldn't make it more aerodynamic, in fact it would be worse because the air gets trapped in the front.
Ok
Most Model S variants have a top speed limited to 155 MPH, NOT 130 MPH.
Ok
I love my electric car! They should sell these cars everywhere in the United States! Its a truly stupid thing that they aren't...
To correctly asses the quality or performance of an electric car, you ned to have algorithm data as per battery-controller-drivetrain-tire friction, system behaviour, provided by the manufacturer, as specifications in the form of "kilowatt/hours per kilometre/ton (mile/pounds)" as consumed from the electric meter, and adjusted for charger,controller and motor inefficiently.
You can get the actual kilowatt hour numbers from public charging / miles from trip meter.
Range is only around 80 miles.
More like 60 mi, mostly fwy, but I work w/ that, love it.
Wrong, it is also available in Oregon. Just leased a 2016.
All you need to know is how many miles you have not kw.s
Apparently, these just sold out for the year.
exactly MPGe is completely useless and irrelevant i do not understand why it keeps getting advertised it has nothing to with the actual estimated electric range you will get and it just makes no sense.
I'm not a violent man, but this guy...
MPGe is dumb but as long as we have old guys making laws then we have to talk in their speak so they can grasp things. It has nothing to do with gas just dumb. What bothers me is he thinks this looks good like a Tesla LOL! Second that is a charger because it is the source of the power that the batteries will store. Third who sits in the back of cars like those....really! What does that matter in a car like that. I still think the Spark is better....electric version that is.
Dumb idea stop trying to put a round peg in a square hole. Plain and simply tell me the amount of charge my battery gives and the distance. I don't need someone trying to correlate it to something else.
You did not get my post I said just what you just said with the addition I don't need a gas variable included to understand cost. When I say size of the battery I'm talking about how many kwh then I need to know the RANGE . I don't need to know a gas equivalency.
I use battery percentage and trip meter, ignore the mpge and the range estimator.
Used Fiats were $2,000 less, faster level 2 charging, quicker 0 to 30mph.
SparkyEV has a great dash and better back seats. If someone could come up with an aftermarket fix to those ugly nostril headlights, it wouldn't look too bad, the proportions are all wrong.
Some people think Tesla looks too plain, some people hate small cars, regardless if you factor price in, it's a fair comparison.
Sucks that only california can have them
OfficialMichelle- marie used they are everywhere- Cali got them first years ago.
24 kWh capacity lets you drive 111 miles. Here in California we’re paying on average around $0.30 per kWh to PG&E (yes the overnight EV rate is a lot lower but do you really plan on shutting off the power during the day? At least voluntarily? Makes more sense to use the average if you’re getting raked over the coals for your daytime use.). So assuming around a 20% charging efficiency loss we’re looking at $9 to go 111 miles, or around 8 cents a mile. This translates to around 49 mpg to go the same distance for the equivalent amount of regular unleaded at $4 a gallon.
By contrast even at $4 a gallon regular unleaded a modern Prius can be run for around 7 cents a mile. And the numbers will be even worse if you use commercial chargers. And you get to pay thousands of dollars extra upfront for the privilege. Still not buying the economic argument for owning an EV.
Looks like you really made it not work. I live in Southern California, 17 cents /Kwh off peak, I charge near work at 18 cents /Kwh. Range is approximately 55 MI, mostly freeway. 3+ years, no problem.
If you don't want to make any accommodations, you should stick to a gas car.
@@rp9674 You can look up the PG&E EV rate plans yourself, the current rates are 19 cents per kWh off peak, 39 cents mid peak and 50 cents on peak. A straight average would be 36 cents per kWh so if anything I’m underestimating the actual cost. It’s great if you live in a part of the country where you’re paying 5 cents but that’s just not the reality here in Northern California.
S. Cal SCE time of use D prime plan is 19c/KWh 9p - 4p I only charge at low rate, no prob, I think it used to be 17c. Charging near work is 18c/KWh. I know 2 places I can charge free, but they're not worth the inconvenience.
Fiat didn't want to make this car. That's why it's only available in California and that's why it doesn't support rapid charging.
winter car nightmare
heck na, drove mine in neg 15 degrees, no issues and instant heater is the greatest thing. i live in idaho.
only problem is gps telling me to take highway instead of more electric friendy route
The steering wheel is fine, he was still sitting too far back, you are meant to sit further up front.
I was sitting as far forward as was comfortable. Shorter people will no doubt find it comfortable to sit closer but someone my height will not.
Mighty Mini Does it include a hacksaw for my legs?
+Stetrain IF this was a manual shift he would not be able to push the clutch pedal to the floor, because he's too far back
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+Alex on Autos THE regen braking in this thing is a joke. It is very weak and recycles little energy back to the battery. It is basically defective
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I'm 6 ft 2, wish it had telescoping instead of tilt. I have a bad shoulder and it hurts it. You can install an extension spacer but it's over $200 in a fair amount of work.
The regen is good on this car, I like that it uses a little regen in coast & more in braking. Regardless of what a display says you get average or better range for this battery size EV, on par with BMW i3.
two facts: i own a modern 500e and second: sadly you use miles instead of kilometers and gallons instad of liters, which measures the rest of the world has no chance to understand and more: they are reciprocal to ours, namely not km/kW but kW/100 km like our usual l/100 km. i wonder when you eventually will abolish those kind of medieval measures....
i can add my personal experience with the modern new 500e. it has a 42/37 kW battery with a WLTP range of 320 km (199ml), can be charged either 3-phase wallbox in about 3,5 hrs, or 20-80% high voltage in 30 min. with an emergency cable you can charge it on 220vV in about 13 hrs. the infotainment/information is with a 10" touchscreen, you have differend view modes of the speedomert, even the navigation can be shown. you can choose between low battery model with 24 kWh, my version and e luxury edition la prima/By Bocelli with "full house " feature. you can buy it as a convertible (+3000) and a third door on the right (+2000] the prcies have risen a lot, yor know ther reasons (Putin/Ukraine/raw materials)instead of 31.000€ last year my Icon version costs 35.000 now, by bocelly costs 39.000€ (prices 2023)
it is a completely new construction with slightly greater sizes (+6 cm b/w)
i bought it last year, urban consumption 11-12 kW/100 km in daily urban use, ( =17Wh/100ml or reciprocal 5,9 miles/kWh.
i am very satisfied (contented?), it is an ideal car for us elder couple. it needs nearly no maintenance, becausde ther is nothing to maintain🙂
we sold our BMW and never regretted it, it offers all (and more than) we need.
Best looking All Electric behind the Tesla. Fiat should use the Tesla technology now that Musk gave it out for free.
Well, Tesla hasn't handled the legal side of their patent release yet. Even if they do however there would be little benefit to the other companies out there, there is little in Tesla's patent portfolio that is earth-shattering. There are battery, motor and control system patents, but are they inherently "better" than the similar patents from the other car companies? It's hard to say.
+Alex on Autos FIAT and also Ford could gain benefit from Tesla's level 3 superchargers (500 volt). I drove the 500e last night, but the lack of level 3 was a dealbreaker. I don't have to stand in a parking lot for 3 hours while the car slowly fills
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Musk says he wanted to share technology, but didn't seem happy when rivian and others stole it. Says he's for all EVs and then burns others.
For example, for the 24Kw/h you put in the pack, you have to consume 27ish* and then the controller and motor use only about 20Kw/h and waste the rest as heat, therefore you pay for 7K for every 20 actual Kw/h used in motion. witch is a whopping (30+%)compounded inefficiency.
Some electric cars are more electric than others.
Let me see. A 24 kWh battery, 1.21 GW of electricity....
(2.4 * 10^-5 GWh) * (3600 seconds/h) / 1.21 GW = 0.0714 seconds
So, assuming a flux capacitor and ignoring wiring current limits...if the whlole time travel process takes roughly less than a 10th of a second...this electrical sucker might actually pull it off!
88 mph in a fiat ...that's definitely a thrill ride . I owned a 76 128 that was absolute junk and made me nuts ..they might get a slight collectible bump when they leave the USA again .
Who’s shopping for one in 2021? Lol
No one is 6 ft tall in Italy thats why :D
If you gave up those large sodas, you might be able to get LEAN and FIT.
Looks like Fiat got skunked by the Chevy Spark. Exterior styling aside...
Used Fiats were $2,000 less, faster level 2 charging, quicker 0 to 30mph.
SparkyEV has a great dash and better back seats. If someone could come up with an aftermarket fix to those ugly nostril headlights, it wouldn't look too bad, the proportions are all wrong.
That white interior will be dirty in no time!
Correct, if they made the seats all vinyl I would have been happier, I think they stopped making white fabric upholstery. I still love the cream white dash.