@@rmdodsonbills that's just a great episode in general. Leave it to DS9 to have a holodeck episode where nothing actually goes wrong with the holodeck. Maybe it's because the DS9 ones aren't Starfleet units. Those commercial-spec Holosuites must be made of sterner stuff...
And the answer is: D-blame Wesley. P.S. Sean, Brent Spiner is a native of Houston, TX. That "Southern " drawl was just an out-take of his native Texas accent. I would think that he might have had a voice coach sometime in his career to help soften it. Or, he may have been channeling his character from NIGHT COURT.
#3 You forgot to mention this episode was a brilliant way to write in Roxann Dawson's pregnancy, recasting Lt. Torres as a member of the French Resistance who had (ahem) "surrendered her virtue" to spy on the Nazis.
I’ve just had one thought - “These are the Voyages” is meant to be set during the TNG episode “The Pegasus”. Critics have seen a real weakness in this, because they feel it really doesn’t add up to Riker having to really make any difficult decision. But could they have set it at a different, similarly monumental TNG episode? Perhaps “Chain of Command”, and tacking on a plot point that Riker is forced to assume that Captain Picard could be dead, but also going on the main point that he’s struggling to accept the command of Captain Jellico? Or perhaps they could have set it after “Preemptive Strike”, with Riker having to deal with Ro Laren’s desertion to the Maquis? That one would genuinely have flowed with the continuity of the shows, given that Ro returns as a Starfleet officer in Picard season 3 - if only we had known it then.
What about Fair Haven and Spirit Folk? Yes, they are absolutely dreadful (especially for a fellow Irishman), but they definitely do qualify as weird. Worst Case Scenario is another one I would have included, and it was a fantastic episode too.
That final episode of enterprise was absolutely abysmal. And it did them wrong on so many levels in so many ways. They didn’t need the next gen inserts.
Honourable mention should go to the Lower Decks episode Crisis Point. Mariner's psychotic rampage violently slaughtering holographic simulations of her crewmates is kind of deeply messed up. Maybe more than Barclay's forays? That said, Crisis Point is a top tier episode of Trek. The ultimate conclusion of her "therapeutic rampage" is genuinely moving and the metatextual "holodeck program as literal Star Trek movie" complete with opening credits and lens flares is just *chef's kiss*
The thing about Deep Space Nine, it didn't really have the standard trope of "tech goes wild" that other Trek have, EXCEPT for 'Our Man Bashir'. Sure, there are issues integrating the cardassian and federation technology, but for the most part the entire system is completely stable.... EXCEPT for the one time some HU-MON decides to dump the transporters pattern buffer into the station's core memory in the wild attempt to save people who's ship was destroyed mid-beam. Eddington didn't INTEND for their physical patterns to end up in Quark's holosuite, that was happenstance. It goes to show that the Federation is really the most 'hold my beer and watch this' faction of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. To every other species in the Galaxy, all humans are basically Doc Brown. "We're not allowed to make a cloaking device because of a treaty with the Romulans? Ok, let's make a device to take the entire ship out of phase with reality! It's not cloaked!" said the humans. "But why tho" said the Vulcans? "BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME!" came the reply.
That Voyager episode with the Hirogen never sat right with me because they glossed over the real meat of the story, and that's how TF did they get in that situation. Also, completely agreed with that final point, Trip's *not* dead.
Oh, C'mon! No mention of "Elementary, My Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle"? EDIT Now that I think about it, what about "Bride of Chaotica", "Worst Case Scenario", or "Spirit Folk"?
The reason Enterprise broke so much canon was because it was a holonovel from Riker in the first place. It's loosely based on the real NX-01's missions.
There was a Voyager episode where the Doctor’s daydreams got hacked by aliens, who mistakenly believed they were watching real ship events. It gets fun when the crew use the holodeck to figure out what’s going on, and watch a bunch of his fantasies. I also liked the episode where they mucked around with the Fair Haven program to the point where the characters perception filters break down, itself answering some questions about how holodeck characters “stay in character”. Then there as the episode with the mysterious new holo-novel, which turned out to be a training program written by Tuvok, and which got hijacked by Seska. Sorry, I couldn’t remember any of the episode titles. It’s been a while.
I like Our Man Bashir in hindsight. It’s a holodeck program where unlike most people, Bashir uses his real name instead of taking on a role like Dixon Hill. And there he gets to be dashing, adventurous, and fully capable. Which when it aired played at his immaturity which was off putting to many viewers, but later when his Augment background was revealed, this shows that only in this program away from the eyes of the Federation, did Bashir feel comfortable being all he could be without shame or guilt. Having to hide his abilities to Miles and his Starfleet medical class as examples.
they should have had Paris on DS9...who discovers in the 20th century an actor that looks remarkably like Fontaine in a little scifi show called "The Time Tunnel".
I hate hate hate that the last episode of Enterprise was merely a not-very-special holodeck episode of TNG and not actually an episode of Enterprise. PS - Trip's not dead. That was a glitch in the Federation databases.
That's a damn good episode. The Doctor demonstrates that The Hippocratic Oath does not simply apply to physical harm, but mental, emotional, and psychological harm as well.
Redge gets a LOT of weird holodeck stuff. Linking his brain to the computer via the holodeck, accidentally getting himself, the Captain, and Data trapped on the holodeck by Moriarty, and more. But there's no Badgey. Rutherford's first encounter with his rogue AI in a malfunctioning holodeck was priceless.
Trips not DEAD! Also, notice the uniforms and hair are different in the very last episode. The whole series played out IRL (canon) and the very last episode is the only thing that existed in the holodeck.
The episode "Ship in a Bottle" where Dr.Moriarty tricks the Enterprise crew into "leaving" the holodeck stands out in my memory as one of the best holodeck episodes. I looked it up and saw that Forbes rated it in the top 10 episodes for exploring advanced technology.
The Holodeck gave Star Trek a great mechanism to explore stories it otherwise wouldn't have been able to. Sometimes it was relied on too much but sometimes it gave us fantastic episodes.
I always wondered if they could have combined the "Message in a Bottle" and "Oh Man Bashair" as away to get the VGR crew home. Starfleet would have a DNA sample on file right?
I'm autisitic. I relate to Data and Riker. I look like Riker. I kinda act like Riker. Barclay is a mess. That's a very specific place on the spectrum. As far as Holodecks go... I promise you... The KINKS will never be removed. It's.. primarily used for the kinks. OH! YOU MEAN BUGS! Right... Made by Bethesda! AND ON TRIP! I still think he should come out of transporter loop holding him in stasis in whatever the next Trek is. Just for the all funnies.
Sorry, but any list like this that does not have "Bride of Chaotica!" is fatally flawed. The only weird thing about "The Killing Game" is that a race supposedly so obsessed with hunting that their society was in danger of decaying were fixated here on war simulations. The Hirogen leader was interested in doing the Battle of Wolf 359; what does a space battle between Starfleet and the Borg have to do with hunting? PS Trip's not dead.
I’m autistic, I do not identify with Barclay, no problem with the character but just no that is not seeing myself on screen. Not that I need to in anyway see myself but if I did it is not in Broccoli 🥦
Barclay is the best officer in Starfleet, and look at how he gets underutilized. I would put him in command of a science vessel and let him explore to his heart's content........ And if you pissed-off Scott Bacula, you have done something legitimately "bad " and really ought to be quite ashamed of yourself. He's a decent guy, and doesn't get angry at anything, but apparently someone who should have known better slipped up. ENTERPRISE had me by the boo-boo and I hate the way that they killed it....made my boo-boo sad.
It was killed by the CBS head honcho at the time who absolutely hated Star Trek. The show was actually picking up in the ratings, but that didn't matter to the man at the top at the time.
You forgot, TNG, The Nth Degree. Barkly was transformed into a super computer to travel to the centre of the universe to meet the wonderful Cytherians. "Interrogative" LOL... I absolutely loved this episode. It's my favourite Hollow suit episode.
I honestly can't get over the fact how ofter holodeck savety protocols fail in star treck leading to very deadly situations, yet they just keep on using that shit and keep on programming fights against dangerous opponents, caus what could go wrong?
I wish Bride of Chaotica, considered top notch Voyager by many sources was in there instead of the Killing game (Hunter,Prey, killing game) is my most despised story arc
Are you saying you liked Bride of Chaotica, or that you didn't like it? I never can tell unless people are more explicit, but I personally liked that episode, and most of those episodes from Tom's knock-off Flash Gordon storylines.
@@anon_y_mousse I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. I LOVE IT - my favorite holodeck episode and it gave Kate Mulgrew a perfect opportunity to ‘chew up the scenery and spit it out) Jayneway is my favorite Star Trek Captain. Overall, in my top 20 Voyager episode lists. It combines elements of many things
There was a naughty scene in a "Voyager" holodeck episode. Back then, "Voyager" was broadcast twice a week. The first time, they had a high view looking down on Janeway. The good captain had a period dress on, kinda sheer in front. Let's just say the good captain left not much to the imagination as you looked at the sheerness low-cut outfit. The next broadcast the same episode scene, was framed correctly.
Clearly, we needed more Vic Fontaine holoprograms on the show! Emergence is one of those episodes where I know I've seen it, but I couldn't tell you a thing about it other than there's a train. It just can't hold my attention despite how weird it is.
Interesting that 'Fair Haven'/'Spirit Folk' were not included; those got *very* weird. One of the characters (played by the amazing Richard Riele) says that he violated the 5th Commandment again; which if I recall my research of Catholicism is the one about MURDER. To be fair though, that 90 minutes of... television... did give us one of the funniest dark humor lines in Lower Decks: "I miss my wife." The discourse around 'Unexpected' is rather dark, bur for another reason. I felt that Trip was drugged (he was clearly under the influence of the psycho-whatsits on board that ship), SA'ed, and impregnated without his consent. I don't feel that this is something appropriate for a comedy episode.
I don't like the fact that you guys used Sisko's image in the cover graphic with the words "Things Got Weird". It's a negative and a hit statement against DS9. Should have used any holodeck episode image from STNG or VOY. Because all of their holodeck episodes were WEIRD!
I can understand going into the holodeck to play out a murder mystery or Bond episode. Isn't that what it's for, recreation? But falling in love with Minuet made Riker look lame. It was character consistent for Barkley and character consistent for the Hirogen whose recreation is hunting. The weirdest holodeck episode for me was seeing Capt. Janeway seek relaxation by donning a corset to play a low level governess who gets spoken down to by the head of house servants. WTF 😕. The writers later improved by giving her Da Vinci holo-episodes which I really enjoyed and which John Rhys-Davies knocked out of the park. Some really excellent lines written between them when he explains his choice of masters and she explains why there are some things he cannot understand. Someone please bring good writing back to Trek!! Really tired of the empty colloquial banter.
Guys a complete diffrent question: I watched a couple of tng episodes recently. One of them was The Outrageous Okona (great episode). Is there a possibility that in the Film Tangeld (the animated rapunzel film in 2012) the character Flinn Rider is a homage to Okona? They look very similar and have kind of the same character.
Hey guys here’s a fun idea. How about “10 famous faces you might not have recognized.” Like Mick Fleetwood under a fish helmet. I bet you’ve already done that and I haven’t found it.
So... These are the Voyages. The holodeck program is likely extremely accurate. Outside of the Federation having relatively easy access to time travel in Kirk's era, they have telescopes a few centuries better than ours and easy access to disturbingly efficient FTL travel. No need to guess at history. They can just look. Sorry Trek Culture guy. Trip is dead.
And yes, that alien who impregnated Trip, super shady. She should have known better. The excuse that she didn't believe it would happen cross-species -- not believable.
I wish that the "last episode" of Star Trek Enterprise was a more modern version of the Kobayashi Maru for CPT. Riker. A test new test that prospective captains had to experience so they could understood and experience the origins of the federation and uphold the values and successes Archer and his crew were able to achieve for humanity. Then, once they can prove their dedication to federation regulations, the captains could justify their own descensions "in the moments" that might bend the exact wording of Star Fleet regulations. This could be a creative exercise that can provide constructive results, unlike Spock's acceptance of a "no win scenario"
My head Canon for the ENT episode: Trip was only reported KIA so he could retire quietly with T'pol. Now if only this could be mentioned in new trek; maybe in lower decks as a throw away comment.
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The one thing I took away from the existence of the holodeck, is that it was the only way to get away from the ship, without leaving the ship. I mean I’m sure there were rec rooms, and other such places to enjoy off time, but the holodeck was a way to immerse oneself into a world that may or may not resemble Earth. I loved the Dixon Hill series, and wish there had been more, but then again, it would become mundane, and I’m sure would lose ground with the audience, as would more Sherlock Holmes series. But they were fun. I most definitely agree that the inclusion of using the holodeck in the final episode was a cop out. I think Enterprise could have gone two more seasons, if the writers would have steered away from their story arc that was long and uninteresting. There was so much to explore. And quite frankly, being that the NX-01 was the first ship to really navigate the stars…we should have seen so much more in the way of discovery, than just find one species, and hanging onto them for the bulk of the series. Tripp is NOT dead, and all others can bite my Delta shield 😂
Enterprise is the only Star Trek that was so bad, I just stopped watching like 3 episodes into Season 3. Its awful. Captain Archer is a whiny man child.
God, I hated the last episode of Enterprise... If it HAD to be a Holodeck episode, it should have been part of a class at Starfleet Academy instead of revisiting an episode that was concluded well enough the first time.
Thank you thank you thank you for not including any of the stupid captain proton episodes. Those were just dumb and totally filler episodes and boring. I don't like them at all.
There is a DS9 episode about another universe essentially threatening to consume the main Star Trek universe (I forgot the title). I always wondered if this is the "universe" that, well, emerged in TNGs "Emergence"
You also better have included the enterprise episode unexpected, or at the very least mentioned it as an honorable mention, because a lot of that episode took place on effectively the equivalent of a holiday for those aliens they were able to re-create landscapes and stuff very similar to early holiday technology, maybe not as sophisticated as Star fats in the future, but I would love to explore that aliens developments over the next couple hundred years because they obviously had the technology before Starfleet did and it would be interesting to see if they were on par ahead or behind Starfleet by the 24th century Please disregard dictation mistakes. Eating lunch and not bothering to correct them.
In regard to the way they treat Barclay there is an idea that if you want what someones really like, note how they behave towards someone to whom they feel is no consequence to thier behaviour. Whilst in the original quote its usually a waiter people behave badly too, in this case its Barclay
these are the voyages did not belong at number one on this list, or for that matter on this list at all. It was not a strange episode at all, just a drug full one and there are things that they could have done to it to make it better, but I can think of a number of episodes that are weirder which did not make this list I may not be themselves, but are definitely much more deserving of recognition than that one. In fact you did mention one of the ones that I said and you did mention one that I thought of before you said it, you didn't mention the other one that I said which I'd say is more deserving than these are the villagers, heroes and demons. I suppose it wasn't all that weird, but it was weirder than these are the voyages, especially when they had to use the holiday to negotiate with that photonic alien creature.
correction. Moriarty and the Countess never actually leave a simulated environment. Their programs are effectively transferred to a mini computer in a box and they are given enough programming to last a lifetime.
@@vincentpuccio3689 no worries. L O L. He thought he got out. They tricked him into thinking that they got him out but in the end they never actually did and I don't think they could have but he never would have accepted that.
Before we get started, I will say that if heroes and demons from Voyagers first season is not on this list that is a travesty. It was a really good episode especially for a first season episode, but it was rather strange
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Holodeck episodes usually translate to "weird". Though "Take Me Out To the Holosuite" wasn't weird and "Bada Bing Bada Bang" was straight up awesome.
I liked both of those, and I like holodeck episodes generally, but my favorite is "It's Only A Paper Moon."
Good calls!
@@rmdodsonbills that's just a great episode in general. Leave it to DS9 to have a holodeck episode where nothing actually goes wrong with the holodeck.
Maybe it's because the DS9 ones aren't Starfleet units. Those commercial-spec Holosuites must be made of sterner stuff...
Tell me about it pallie!
@@rmdodsonbills "It's Only A Paper Moon." My least favourite. Too melancholic.
And the answer is: D-blame Wesley.
P.S. Sean, Brent Spiner is a native of Houston, TX. That "Southern " drawl was just an out-take of his native Texas accent. I would think that he might have had a voice coach sometime in his career to help soften it. Or, he may have been channeling his character from NIGHT COURT.
Actually, the answer would be , C. The test maker didn't do all that writing for nothing.
#3 You forgot to mention this episode was a brilliant way to write in Roxann Dawson's pregnancy, recasting Lt. Torres as a member of the French Resistance who had (ahem) "surrendered her virtue" to spy on the Nazis.
I'd seen the entirety of Voyager at least 3 times before I learned that she was pregnant during that season. They did a great job of hiding it.
"Our Man Bashir" was so much fun, also best James Bond woman's name ever, "Mona Lovesit", perfectly delivered by Alexander Siddig.
I’ve just had one thought - “These are the Voyages” is meant to be set during the TNG episode “The Pegasus”. Critics have seen a real weakness in this, because they feel it really doesn’t add up to Riker having to really make any difficult decision. But could they have set it at a different, similarly monumental TNG episode? Perhaps “Chain of Command”, and tacking on a plot point that Riker is forced to assume that Captain Picard could be dead, but also going on the main point that he’s struggling to accept the command of Captain Jellico? Or perhaps they could have set it after “Preemptive Strike”, with Riker having to deal with Ro Laren’s desertion to the Maquis? That one would genuinely have flowed with the continuity of the shows, given that Ro returns as a Starfleet officer in Picard season 3 - if only we had known it then.
What about: DS9, Episode 6x18 - Inquisition? That whole episode is on a holodeck, we just don't know until the end.
What about Fair Haven and Spirit Folk? Yes, they are absolutely dreadful (especially for a fellow Irishman), but they definitely do qualify as weird.
Worst Case Scenario is another one I would have included, and it was a fantastic episode too.
"Delete the wife!"
Harry Kim kissing a cow, anyone?
That final episode of enterprise was absolutely abysmal. And it did them wrong on so many levels in so many ways. They didn’t need the next gen inserts.
Honourable mention should go to the Lower Decks episode Crisis Point. Mariner's psychotic rampage violently slaughtering holographic simulations of her crewmates is kind of deeply messed up. Maybe more than Barclay's forays? That said, Crisis Point is a top tier episode of Trek. The ultimate conclusion of her "therapeutic rampage" is genuinely moving and the metatextual "holodeck program as literal Star Trek movie" complete with opening credits and lens flares is just *chef's kiss*
Another great holodeck episode from Lower Decks is “I, Excretus” (2x8)
@@augiegirl1 oh yah, especially the Boimler Borg mission test.. I think we can all relate to grinding out a video game level until we get it perfect.
Glad to see Practical Joker here
Sometimes the holodeck feels like a cop out, but when used well it can be a character or scenario exploration
The thing about Deep Space Nine, it didn't really have the standard trope of "tech goes wild" that other Trek have, EXCEPT for 'Our Man Bashir'. Sure, there are issues integrating the cardassian and federation technology, but for the most part the entire system is completely stable....
EXCEPT for the one time some HU-MON decides to dump the transporters pattern buffer into the station's core memory in the wild attempt to save people who's ship was destroyed mid-beam. Eddington didn't INTEND for their physical patterns to end up in Quark's holosuite, that was happenstance. It goes to show that the Federation is really the most 'hold my beer and watch this' faction of the Alpha and Beta quadrants.
To every other species in the Galaxy, all humans are basically Doc Brown. "We're not allowed to make a cloaking device because of a treaty with the Romulans? Ok, let's make a device to take the entire ship out of phase with reality! It's not cloaked!" said the humans. "But why tho" said the Vulcans? "BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME!" came the reply.
That Voyager episode with the Hirogen never sat right with me because they glossed over the real meat of the story, and that's how TF did they get in that situation. Also, completely agreed with that final point, Trip's *not* dead.
Oh, C'mon! No mention of "Elementary, My Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle"?
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Now that I think about it, what about "Bride of Chaotica", "Worst Case Scenario", or "Spirit Folk"?
Holodeck in a holodeck. Inception before Inception.
Wait there cold in a fake blizzard but not when they were on a planet at -100 degrees using a phaser to heat a rock ?
"costume party episodes"
People being able to walk in on your holodeck program is weird but having a holographic harem of the best women on the ship is not
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The reason Enterprise broke so much canon was because it was a holonovel from Riker in the first place. It's loosely based on the real NX-01's missions.
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There was a Voyager episode where the Doctor’s daydreams got hacked by aliens, who mistakenly believed they were watching real ship events. It gets fun when the crew use the holodeck to figure out what’s going on, and watch a bunch of his fantasies.
I also liked the episode where they mucked around with the Fair Haven program to the point where the characters perception filters break down, itself answering some questions about how holodeck characters “stay in character”.
Then there as the episode with the mysterious new holo-novel, which turned out to be a training program written by Tuvok, and which got hijacked by Seska.
Sorry, I couldn’t remember any of the episode titles. It’s been a while.
also "bride of chaotica",
IDK how the Voyager crew kept using the holodeck after having like 10 near-death experiences related to the holodeck
1. Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy (6x4)
2. Spirit Folk (6x17)
3. Worst Case Scenario (3x25)
I like Our Man Bashir in hindsight. It’s a holodeck program where unlike most people, Bashir uses his real name instead of taking on a role like Dixon Hill. And there he gets to be dashing, adventurous, and fully capable. Which when it aired played at his immaturity which was off putting to many viewers, but later when his Augment background was revealed, this shows that only in this program away from the eyes of the Federation, did Bashir feel comfortable being all he could be without shame or guilt. Having to hide his abilities to Miles and his Starfleet medical class as examples.
It's a brilliant episode. So many fun Bond Easter eggs and deconstruction from Garak. And the supervillain wins!
THANK YOU! i loved this episode @@Stile4aly
Vic Fountaine the only holodeck program who knows he is, but isn't a threat.
they should have had Paris on DS9...who discovers in the 20th century an actor that looks remarkably like Fontaine in a little scifi show called "The Time Tunnel".
Well, there is a self aware Moriarty but definitely a threat 😉
I suggest you do another 10 weird holodeck episodes--there's so many. "Bride of Chaotica," "The Fight," and "The Big Goodbye" just to name a few!
Ill go with when Geordi gets busted by Dr. Brams with his holodeck version of her... AWKWARD!!!
Yea, I was certain that episode would be in the top 5. I’m really surprised that it wasn’t included.
I hate hate hate that the last episode of Enterprise was merely a not-very-special holodeck episode of TNG and not actually an episode of Enterprise.
PS - Trip's not dead. That was a glitch in the Federation databases.
Ssssh! That episode does not exist, the last episode of ENT is the two-parter "Terra Prime"
"Living Witness" is also a holodeck episode, as everything there was a recreation made like 1000 years into the future
That's a damn good episode. The Doctor demonstrates that The Hippocratic Oath does not simply apply to physical harm, but mental, emotional, and psychological harm as well.
Always remember: No glove, no granules.
Redge gets a LOT of weird holodeck stuff. Linking his brain to the computer via the holodeck, accidentally getting himself, the Captain, and Data trapped on the holodeck by Moriarty, and more.
But there's no Badgey. Rutherford's first encounter with his rogue AI in a malfunctioning holodeck was priceless.
Trips not DEAD! Also, notice the uniforms and hair are different in the very last episode. The whole series played out IRL (canon) and the very last episode is the only thing that existed in the holodeck.
How can cannons play anything out? They just shoot things.
Does "Worst Case Scenario" count as weird? The voyager episode where the crew discover a holodeck program of a Maquis mutiny.
Enterprise Jr chose either the name "Moya" or "Lexx", obvs.
The Lexx is the most powerful weapon in the two universes.
I absolutely loved everything about Emergence but now I want to see that earlier "on mushrooms" version
I love “A Fist Full of Datas”, it was a lovely chance for Brent to so some of the character acting he’s so good at.
Take me out to the holosuite is probably my favorite holodeck episode
There 10 kinds of people: Those who understand Binary and those who don't.
2:14 The ICONIC moment when you can hear a Klingon utter the phrase "I can see my house from here!"
Not gonna lie, I didn't know about, and absolutely love the alternative title that is "The Good, The Bad, and The Klingon" ROFL
The episode "Ship in a Bottle" where Dr.Moriarty tricks the Enterprise crew into "leaving" the holodeck stands out in my memory as one of the best holodeck episodes. I looked it up and saw that Forbes rated it in the top 10 episodes for exploring advanced technology.
These are the Voyages is hands down THE WORST episode of the entire franchise as far as I'm concerned.
"Emergence" could have been even weirder? Oh please, I want to see that!
The Holodeck gave Star Trek a great mechanism to explore stories it otherwise wouldn't have been able to. Sometimes it was relied on too much but sometimes it gave us fantastic episodes.
To bad, my favorite Holodeck episode, the Bride of Chaotica, never made the list.
"Vamoose, ya little varmint!"
I always wondered if they could have combined the "Message in a Bottle" and "Oh Man Bashair" as away to get the VGR crew home. Starfleet would have a DNA sample on file right?
I agree. Message In A Bottle was too short. I have always felt it needed to be a crossover with DS9 in some way.
No Moriarty becoming self aware?
I'm autisitic. I relate to Data and Riker. I look like Riker. I kinda act like Riker. Barclay is a mess. That's a very specific place on the spectrum.
As far as Holodecks go... I promise you... The KINKS will never be removed. It's.. primarily used for the kinks.
OH! YOU MEAN BUGS! Right... Made by Bethesda!
AND ON TRIP! I still think he should come out of transporter loop holding him in stasis in whatever the next Trek is. Just for the all funnies.
Sorry, but any list like this that does not have "Bride of Chaotica!" is fatally flawed.
The only weird thing about "The Killing Game" is that a race supposedly so obsessed with hunting that their society was in danger of decaying were fixated here on war simulations. The Hirogen leader was interested in doing the Battle of Wolf 359; what does a space battle between Starfleet and the Borg have to do with hunting?
PS Trip's not dead.
I’m autistic, I do not identify with Barclay, no problem with the character but just no that is not seeing myself on screen. Not that I need to in anyway see myself but if I did it is not in Broccoli 🥦
Elementary, my dear Data was epic. And who dosent like a good Barclay holodeck adventure
Barclay is the best officer in Starfleet, and look at how he gets underutilized. I would put him in command of a science vessel and let him explore to his heart's content........
And if you pissed-off Scott Bacula, you have done something legitimately "bad " and really ought to be quite ashamed of yourself. He's a decent guy, and doesn't get angry at anything, but apparently someone who should have known better slipped up.
ENTERPRISE had me by the boo-boo and I hate the way that they killed it....made my boo-boo sad.
It was killed by the CBS head honcho at the time who absolutely hated Star Trek. The show was actually picking up in the ratings, but that didn't matter to the man at the top at the time.
Half of the list is just great and far from being weird 😄
You forgot, TNG, The Nth Degree. Barkly was transformed into a super computer to travel to the centre of the universe to meet the wonderful Cytherians. "Interrogative" LOL... I absolutely loved this episode. It's my favourite Hollow suit episode.
"Endoskeletal. Contiguous external integument."
@@HighSierra1500 ☺ Exactly!
8:00 more closely resembled Rio Bravo than The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
I honestly can't get over the fact how ofter holodeck savety protocols fail in star treck leading to very deadly situations, yet they just keep on using that shit and keep on programming fights against dangerous opponents, caus what could go wrong?
Great video! Totally agree with this list. It’s interesting though, because I never considered Unexpected a holodeck episode, but it makes sense!
Star Trek characters watch Star Trek, Enterprise confirmed.
The regularly break in to a chorus of "It's a long road . . ." on the bridge during long uneventful warps to mission destinations. 🤣🤣🤣
What happened to retro ups and downs?
I wish Bride of Chaotica, considered top notch Voyager by many sources was in there instead of the Killing game (Hunter,Prey, killing game) is my most despised story arc
Are you saying you liked Bride of Chaotica, or that you didn't like it? I never can tell unless people are more explicit, but I personally liked that episode, and most of those episodes from Tom's knock-off Flash Gordon storylines.
@@anon_y_mousse I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear. I LOVE IT - my favorite holodeck episode and it gave Kate Mulgrew a perfect opportunity to ‘chew up the scenery and spit it out) Jayneway is my favorite Star Trek Captain. Overall, in my top 20 Voyager episode lists. It combines elements of many things
Riker kissing frozen T'pol on the holodeck always made me chuckle. I guess he could have done worse things. lol
There was a naughty scene in a "Voyager" holodeck episode. Back then, "Voyager" was broadcast twice a week. The first time, they had a high view looking down on Janeway. The good captain had a period dress on, kinda sheer in front. Let's just say the good captain left not much to the imagination as you looked at the sheerness low-cut outfit. The next broadcast the same episode scene, was framed correctly.
We all know, Tripp is not dead!
You know, Trinnear and Keating are doing a podcast these days. And Tripp is still not dead!
As we always knew!@@andywellsglobaldomination
"He's dead, Jim!"
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Clearly, we needed more Vic Fontaine holoprograms on the show!
Emergence is one of those episodes where I know I've seen it, but I couldn't tell you a thing about it other than there's a train. It just can't hold my attention despite how weird it is.
Oh man why does “These are the Voyages” get so much hate! It was lovely fan service, just maybe not for the hardcore fans?
But the best holo one is probably Data vs MOriarty. (not Holmes....your mistake Geordi, big mistake....).
Interesting that 'Fair Haven'/'Spirit Folk' were not included; those got *very* weird. One of the characters (played by the amazing Richard Riele) says that he violated the 5th Commandment again; which if I recall my research of Catholicism is the one about MURDER. To be fair though, that 90 minutes of... television... did give us one of the funniest dark humor lines in Lower Decks: "I miss my wife."
The discourse around 'Unexpected' is rather dark, bur for another reason. I felt that Trip was drugged (he was clearly under the influence of the psycho-whatsits on board that ship), SA'ed, and impregnated without his consent. I don't feel that this is something appropriate for a comedy episode.
I don't like the fact that you guys used Sisko's image in the cover graphic with the words "Things Got Weird". It's a negative and a hit statement against DS9. Should have used any holodeck episode image from STNG or VOY. Because all of their holodeck episodes were WEIRD!
I can understand going into the holodeck to play out a murder mystery or Bond episode. Isn't that what it's for, recreation? But falling in love with Minuet made Riker look lame. It was character consistent for Barkley and character consistent for the Hirogen whose recreation is hunting. The weirdest holodeck episode for me was seeing Capt. Janeway seek relaxation by donning a corset to play a low level governess who gets spoken down to by the head of house servants. WTF 😕. The writers later improved by giving her Da Vinci holo-episodes which I really enjoyed and which John Rhys-Davies knocked out of the park. Some really excellent lines written between them when he explains his choice of masters and she explains why there are some things he cannot understand. Someone please bring good writing back to Trek!! Really tired of the empty colloquial banter.
Guys a complete diffrent question: I watched a couple of tng episodes recently. One of them was The Outrageous Okona (great episode). Is there a possibility that in the Film Tangeld (the animated rapunzel film in 2012) the character Flinn Rider is a homage to Okona? They look very similar and have kind of the same character.
Hey guys here’s a fun idea. How about “10 famous faces you might not have recognized.” Like Mick Fleetwood under a fish helmet.
I bet you’ve already done that and I haven’t found it.
So... These are the Voyages. The holodeck program is likely extremely accurate. Outside of the Federation having relatively easy access to time travel in Kirk's era, they have telescopes a few centuries better than ours and easy access to disturbingly efficient FTL travel. No need to guess at history. They can just look. Sorry Trek Culture guy. Trip is dead.
Why do you always trash These are the Voyages... I liked that episode. It was fun.
And yes, that alien who impregnated Trip, super shady. She should have known better. The excuse that she didn't believe it would happen cross-species -- not believable.
I wish that the "last episode" of Star Trek Enterprise was a more modern version of the Kobayashi Maru for CPT. Riker. A test new test that prospective captains had to experience so they could understood and experience the origins of the federation and uphold the values and successes Archer and his crew were able to achieve for humanity. Then, once they can prove their dedication to federation regulations, the captains could justify their own descensions "in the moments" that might bend the exact wording of Star Fleet regulations. This could be a creative exercise that can provide constructive results, unlike Spock's acceptance of a "no win scenario"
My head Canon for the ENT episode: Trip was only reported KIA so he could retire quietly with T'pol.
Now if only this could be mentioned in new trek; maybe in lower decks as a throw away comment.
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The one thing I took away from the existence of the holodeck, is that it was the only way to get away from the ship, without leaving the ship. I mean I’m sure there were rec rooms, and other such places to enjoy off time, but the holodeck was a way to immerse oneself into a world that may or may not resemble Earth. I loved the Dixon Hill series, and wish there had been more, but then again, it would become mundane, and I’m sure would lose ground with the audience, as would more Sherlock Holmes series. But they were fun.
I most definitely agree that the inclusion of using the holodeck in the final episode was a cop out. I think Enterprise could have gone two more seasons, if the writers would have steered away from their story arc that was long and uninteresting. There was so much to explore. And quite frankly, being that the NX-01 was the first ship to really navigate the stars…we should have seen so much more in the way of discovery, than just find one species, and hanging onto them for the bulk of the series.
Tripp is NOT dead, and all others can bite my Delta shield 😂
Enterprise is the only Star Trek that was so bad, I just stopped watching like 3 episodes into Season 3. Its awful. Captain Archer is a whiny man child.
God, I hated the last episode of Enterprise... If it HAD to be a Holodeck episode, it should have been part of a class at Starfleet Academy instead of revisiting an episode that was concluded well enough the first time.
You mean blaming Wesley doesn't automatically fix an imminent warp core breach?
Thank you thank you thank you for not including any of the stupid captain proton episodes. Those were just dumb and totally filler episodes and boring. I don't like them at all.
I’m here for a weird holodeck episode! Unless it involves the Enterprise giving birth, then I’m out.
There is a DS9 episode about another universe essentially threatening to consume the main Star Trek universe (I forgot the title).
I always wondered if this is the "universe" that, well, emerged in TNGs "Emergence"
Playing God, I believe, is the episode title.
Imagine being bullied and laughed at, by WESLEY CRUSHER
What, no Nth Degree?? Surely that was the weirdest holodeck episode where barclay uploads his brain into it to control the ship...
You also better have included the enterprise episode unexpected, or at the very least mentioned it as an honorable mention, because a lot of that episode took place on effectively the equivalent of a holiday for those aliens they were able to re-create landscapes and stuff very similar to early holiday technology, maybe not as sophisticated as Star fats in the future, but I would love to explore that aliens developments over the next couple hundred years because they obviously had the technology before Starfleet did and it would be interesting to see if they were on par ahead or behind Starfleet by the 24th century Please disregard dictation mistakes. Eating lunch and not bothering to correct them.
Funny you should describe the term cloud technology, that is 100s of years older than ST as "modern" 😂
Here's what bakes my noodle about the Holodeck: they never beta tested the idea that you could create sentient life with a dangling modifier.
"Her legs!" even when i saw that episode as a kid I remember thinking "Huh... weird."
The Voyager episode "Spirit Folk". The weirdest thing is how this garbage made it past the first draft phase.
In regard to the way they treat Barclay there is an idea that if you want what someones really like, note how they behave towards someone to whom they feel is no consequence to thier behaviour. Whilst in the original quote its usually a waiter people behave badly too, in this case its Barclay
these are the voyages did not belong at number one on this list, or for that matter on this list at all. It was not a strange episode at all, just a drug full one and there are things that they could have done to it to make it better, but I can think of a number of episodes that are weirder which did not make this list I may not be themselves, but are definitely much more deserving of recognition than that one. In fact you did mention one of the ones that I said and you did mention one that I thought of before you said it, you didn't mention the other one that I said which I'd say is more deserving than these are the villagers, heroes and demons. I suppose it wasn't all that weird, but it was weirder than these are the voyages, especially when they had to use the holiday to negotiate with that photonic alien creature.
You forgot the episode where Professor Moriarity wanted Picard to get him out of the holo deck. And the second episode when he does get out
correction. Moriarty and the Countess never actually leave a simulated environment. Their programs are effectively transferred to a mini computer in a box and they are given enough programming to last a lifetime.
Sorry sorry it’s been 20 years since I watched it
@@vincentpuccio3689 no worries. L O L. He thought he got out. They tricked him into thinking that they got him out but in the end they never actually did and I don't think they could have but he never would have accepted that.
Before we get started, I will say that if heroes and demons from Voyagers first season is not on this list that is a travesty. It was a really good episode especially for a first season episode, but it was rather strange
There were so many terrible holodeck episodes. I generally skip those scenes or the whole episode if most of the time is spent on the holodeck.
Sisko in Our Man Bashir was pure camp
I really felt like Avery Brooks was having fun there.
It reminded me of his character in Spenser: For Hire. 😁
@@julianaylor4351 Dude, after the first couple of seasons, he was Hawk from "Spencer: For Hire"!!
@@joelellis7035 I know that, he's riffing off his previous role. 🙄
I remember but I didn't remember the title I just remembered it was a binary sequence of zeros and ones
I love the Holodeck episodes of the TNG era of Star Trek.
Edit: D, obviously!
Edit 2: Where is The Bride of Chaotica???
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