I'm a Yamaha guy ... but ... that piano on the KORG, right out of the gate, in my opinion, has nice sounds ...to me sounds more real with the nuances of the hammers striking, and the keys .... sounds great...
For Arranger Keyboards...Korg takes the cake, always. Been using a Korg since I was 10 years old. My first arranger was the Korg i3 Arranger, and tried other brands like Roland but not even close. I've purchased the PA1X pro back in the day, added the PA4X and soon Kronos. Korg just has very power sounds.
Wow what a GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE!!! Both of these instruments are fantastic. Competition breeds EXCELLENCE! 40 years ago I only dreamed of things like these, NOW THEY ARE! They each have their merits. NOW, are we going to take this technology to its EXTREME? ARE WE WORTHY? Thanks all you engineers and musicians that have given us these jewels to praise providence! NOW be worthy of the tech!!!
LOVE my Pa4X!! My big gripe is no weighted keys. The Pa4X is "Semi-weighted", I'm a pianist; I don't feel any weight. I just bought a Kawai MP11se to use as a MIDI controller. Expensive solution lol
I've never had a Korg but have owned several Yamaha instruments. This demo hardly distinguishes between the two. However, I must say that the Korg looks more professional and an ideal stage instrument
Both boards have very good sound. To me, I wouldnt feel like I am missing much if I had one or the other keyboard. The Genos does have much brighter sound than the PA4X. However, the PA4X has a better lower register than the Genos. Given an option, I'd take the PA4X and save the $1500.
That would not be an option for me. You also have to compare the price at launch or wait a bit. Currently the difference between Genos and Pa4x 76 is still 677 € or 776 $. And I do not have to be annoyed for the money for years.
Korg have some serious issues in low frequency take, it sounds like there is some serious phase issues, no transients. This comparison is only one part of the sound test, the real thing is playing those two brands live, then Korg sounds like it is broken. Every Korg for the past 30 years sounds the same, they do it intentionally, but why no one knows.
The sax on the Genos sounded more realistic and dynamically accurate . Hard to say how much factory settings play into the differences I am hearing but the Yamaha piano and organ voices seem more organic and thicker.
Exactly, your comment remind me something I said time ago: get a Yamaha if you want to create music for a movie end credits, get a Korg if you want to play in a band. Yamaha sounds are warmer, Korg sounds are crispy.
Both keyboards are the most professional ones on the market for their class. The Yamaha has features the Korgs doesn't have and Korg also has it's own features that the Yamaha doesn't have. But the Korg to me has editable styles and sounds, so you can make your playing uniquely yours in all ways. Yamaha has some very "over the top" styles variations that are too full on to use ( in my opinion).
Yamaha Genos and Korg PA4x have the same sound for me. But, for the distortion effects, I love Korg because it's more real than Genos (using VCM for realistic guitar amps and effects). Please upload style comparison between PA4x and Genos, thanks.
I like to have both, it seems to me that, the Genos has a lot of details and is more gentle sounding, while the PA4X has more strength and forwarding power.
I bought the DX7 on the day it first arrived in Honolulu. I bought the Korg Trinity as soon as it became available. I still have the Silver Beast. For the video at hand, to me it looks like the fingers has an easier time playing the Genos. Korg seem more outfront in all the voices. I've resisted retiring my Trinity until the Genos came out. Genos looks like more fun to play. I want the fun. I just need the bucks.
For wind and string instruments (guitar, saxophone, clarinet, flute...), the Yamaha is VERY advanced. A surprisingly faithful reproduction of the original instruments. For keyboard instruments (piano, organ, synthesizer...), the Korg is definitely the best.
the Genos sounds, alone, are it's strongest point, with the second strongest point being the drums, consequently, the accompaniment on the styles is more realistic....where PA excels is in two areas: amazing versatility in various recording choices, and being able to extract new sounds and styles from the front located thumb drive without having to load it into memory. This last thing is a strikingly intelligent feature which should be on all these major keyboards. It is holy hell adding sounds to both Korg and Yamaha mainstream keyboards, ie, Kronos and Motif. Drawing from the thumb drive without being subject to memory limitations and other intricacies is a refreshing look at adding more sounds. And the recording abilities, converting to Mp3 so easily and other recording features is another great point for the PA......if Roland can continue to refine the actual sounds and drums themselves, they will surpass the Genos.
They both have their charms,thats what makes them individually special..its not about comparison but its down to one's own preferences as they both are great sounding keyboards.If i had the money,I would buy both of them.
The EQ on Genos can almost match that soft sound on the Korg. Sounds like each keyboard is using different effects sometimes on the similar sound comparison. I vote Genos hands down.
I can not buy either Genos or Korg but after testing from shop, Genos is a lot of better!! I hope that i will get Genos or his next model(Genos 2:) ) in the future :)
As a huge Korg fan and user, I’d still have to give this to Yamaha on every point. Every tone had more definition, more articulation. Don’t get me wrong I’m disappointed by this outcome, I now have to go out and get me a Yamaha product.
i have tyros 5 and korg pa4x i find the korg has better trumpets accordions organ guitar .Yamaha has better strings/vocal sounds /sax brass is much better and the guitar .i can play more movie film scores on the tyros 5 than the korg .but the rock styles are superior to yamaha and it sounds more like a live band the korg .
I have a cheap ass synth and it sounds better than all arrangers but i need an arranger just for styles. Why is there no arranger synthesizer?? is it so hard to make in 2018 ffs??
Band in a Box ? But interesting that your "cheap ass" synth sounds better. The Genos cost more than most other Top synths and Workstations. It isn't a synth and there will be things it can' do that a real synth can with voice editing, but compared with other "synths" that is based on a "rompler" or sampler + a sequencer/daw, the Genos blows the bejesus out of most other so called Sampler or rompler based workstations no matter if its an "arranger" keyboard or a more "professional" workstation. So unless you want a specific analog or digital synth for specific work with synthesizer sounds, you won't find many other sample based workstations that sound better than the Genos, or Korg pa dependent wich one you like the best. These instruments today is so full fledged sample workstations that its kinda wrong just to call them an "arranger keyboard" (like back in the 80ies and 90ies when the "arranger keyboards" was mostly regarded as toys for home mucissians only). Only thing that beats these 2 keyboards today (with its possibilities and user customized sounds) is the Wersi Sonic OAX line, but they also cost as much as a small house for the big organ versions wich is totally nuts.
I don't have any experience with lots of keyboards i never had pa arrangers or new workstations such as triton or m3 kronos orthe arranger korg pa4x etc ,but with what i'v heard digital synthesizers and new workstations are about the same in terms of the sound quality and very high sound quality mostly top of the line ones. And with what i'v read and experienced synths workstations lack of styles but some do have some beats which can be useful at times but nothing compared to the great and additional styles of an arranger. On the other side arranger's sound quality depends on the price of the arranger and even a mid range arranger would sound good and perform live and you would still get the feeling od a good sound quality , and the high end arrangers tend to have a very good sound quality , very close to a synth. But it might not be for all sounds i don't know there might be sounds from an high end arranger such as genos that sound same as a mid range/top of the line synth/workstation . And i see some saying genos is a workstation and i believe genos is an high end arranger based on styles etc but if it's an arranger synthesizer workstation then well done to yamaha as that means people won't be using 2 keyboard anymore on clubs parties live shows etc one for sounds and one for styles,but they can use 1 instead. And if it's an arranger only ,i think it's a matter of time and we will soon see arranger synths out there .I don't see why it's impossible . I personally haven't compared an genos or any other top of line arranger with an high end synth workstation.But if i have a chance to compare them or play them and hear them both and if the difference is very small i'd definitely go for the high end arranger . I was thinking to buy a sound module with synth sounds as they tend to have high sound quality like integra 7 or any other sound module but i'm afraid the response time will not be as good as a keyboard with built in sounds would have to try it, they say if you use a software synth from pc and if the pc doesn't have a very good processor the keyboard might not be very responsive but sound mudules would be better/faster than the software i guess .
Believe me the Genos is on full par, sound Quality wise with things like Korg Kronos (the sampler/rompler/Strings/plucked engine part) and eg the Roland Integra. Most of the Tyros line and now Genos is using some of the best of Yamaha's own Motiff samples, Its just far superior to the Motiff in terms of ease of use, and the fact that you have the arranger part makes it very easy to use, not just for home or party musicians, but also for professional arranger/producers in the studio to create the groundwork for writing/arranging music. You can of course allways discuss if you like a certain sound better from another keyboard but the general quality of the sounds can compare with just about anything on the market. The Integra is what imho gets closest to compare with eg the Genos cause many of the Integra sounds have different articulation sounds like the Yamaha, but I don't know if they are as easy to use as the SA2 sounds. personly I don't think the pa4 is even close to compare, but thats personly. I never really liked the sound of the Korg pa line. However, It is much like buying a car today. There isn't many "bad cars" around today when you hit a certain price range .. same with electronics. if you pay 5k+ $ or Euro's for a keyboard, you wont get a bad keyboard. You can however get just what YOU want if you buy a good keyboard controller, a Mac Book Pro, a good Thunderbolt Audio interface and what software synths you like, but it will also be twice the price or more and you won't have the easy to use arranger, and yes if you arent in love with Apple and want to try your luck with a PC notebook, you propably will run into some trouble unless you know what to buy. Latency is the big struggle with software solutions, but in most cases a mediocre Macbook with an i5 processor will in many cases run just as good if not better than a PC gaming notbook with the largest i7 you can find, and the advanced GFX cards in a gaming PC will cause more problems than most users know.
The sounds are really very similar and there are a lot of things you can do to tweak them. However, a big one for me was the Organ drawbars and rotary sound on the Korg which was not demonstrated here. I noticed for guitar sound on both Korg and the Yamaha demo, you can have glancing notes which gives more authenticity. On Korg, you can also have really nice guitar harmonics and hand-beating sound on the guitar body. I don't know if the Yamaha has this capability.
Yamaha does have this. To have both in one sound, you can use the MegaVoices on the Yamaha. However, the MegaVoices are only useful for midi because of velocity switching.
My favourite is the Genos. The acoustic instruments sounds more detailed and clearer. I like the guitars, saxophones and organs on the genos. But you uses the theatre organ is not the same as in the Kork. I would think this was a drawbar organ. In general they are both superb entertainer keyboards.
According to this particular video I may assume Yamaha wins in guitars section (esp. articulation). Not sure about wind&brass, as for me they are close. For the rest of sounds I would prefer Korg.
No doubts! Both are sounding very good! It has something to do with habits! I like Genos sound but I prefer The PA4X for it sounds much more real (According to the original instruments!)
As a professional musician and piano teacher for over 40 years, I’ve owned both the Korg PA4X and the Genos. If you’re using them in a live situation (with no gimmicks playing at the same time), The Genos wins hands down, IMHO. Its also much more intuitive and easier to use on the fly. The brass, woodwind and guitar sounds are far more superior. You can tweak the sounds, I know, but I just want to play, not waste too much time trying to be a sound engineer, a lot as to do with your competence as a pianist and musician. That’s why it’s more expensive, you get what you pay for. I wish Yamaha would bring this out as 88 weighted keys, but they won’t as it would be competing with the CVP range.
As a young straight forward pianist and musician I had both and I ended with the PA4x. The keys are much better to play. The sounds: yes, depends. But what I do not like with the Yamaha: Many settings are so deep down in the menus and not practically accessable and absolutely not suited for "my" stage performances. I think as a younger producer like piano player, singer songwriter, the PA4X is way way better. Yamaha offered me an endorsement for the Genos, but I did not take it since I did not feel comfortable with it... only my experience.
@@jordambee I have both, with 2 more machines. I can say with much certitude that Yamaha menus are far easier to navigate through then Korg. In case of Pa4X, the fact that it has so many hardware buttons makes it easier to access what you want quickly. That helps a lot if you are playing as a one-man band who is improvising in a gig or a stage performance. Genos offers more assignable keys and one-touch settings that compensates for their progressive views on how keyboards evolve with less buttons. Of course that still required you to plan your performance, which is only logical. Pa4X has some signature sounds that no Yamaha has, and vice versa. The ribbon control and woodwind interface control, and KAOSS are unique features to Pa4X. Nuances and sound clarify on the Genos on the other hand are superior. Keys are a tad lighter which fits the purpose of a keyboard. The expressions and styles on Genos are richer and note crisp. Pa4x's after touch makes it more enjoyable with higher realism, that and of course the "live" feel of the sounds. In a studio, Genos is king in almost all aspects, except for the cheap plastic look and rather lighter weight, when compared with the high finesse of the material finish and minimalist grand retro look and feel of the Pa4X. Two great machines that complement each other for anyone that could afford having both. But if budget is of the essence, I personally would go for the Genos, even if that meant a compromise on on-the-fly flexibility for live performances and tweaking leewy. Sound quality for me is key.
@Lesley Carter, I own both, plus a Clavinova CVP-809B and a Roland Fantom 8. I also had a CVP-709PE from 2016, and had a PSR-A3000, PSR-A2000 and a PSR-A1000 during the past 17 years. When I was a teenager through mid twenties I could only afford GEM and Yamaha keyboards, not Korg or Roland. Hands down, all Yamaha are much easier and more intuitive to operate than any other keyboard. Super Articulation sounds are top drawer that nothing else can beat. In terms of tweaking, Genkd offers 80% of Pa4X's capability, albeit the 20% gives more than just additional leeway, but a smoother seamless operation. Each keyboard had its unique features that makes it a must for capable musicians to own both if they could afford that of course. I bought the CVP series because I wanted 88 fully weighted hammer effect keys which neither Genos nor Pa4X offered, and I didn't want to invest in another synthesizer like Yamaha Montage 8 especially that I had the Roland Fantom 8 synthesizer. I opted for the CVP-709PE for the real piano feel (and amazing polished ebony look) with linear graded keys. Before Christmas I got a great deal on upgrading to CVP-809B when it had a launch price offer (standard walnut matt black wood finish). Grand Touch, more S.Art 1&2 sounds, more styles, enhanced menu, bigger screen and better sound system. just missing the polished ebony look.
I can honestly say although I absolutely love Yamaha Korg definitely sounds more realistic on piano strings sax etc...I think Yamaha drums and arrangements are better and more modern!
Notwithstanding the different articulation technologies used, maybe it's about the different EQ settings on individual instrument that the Korg Pa4X is more attuned to accompaniment purposes, while the Yamaha Genos can go solo and shine brightly, if the player wants it to.
I currently have an Audya, but the left output failed so I purchased a Korg PA 4X. The PA4X failed twice on two different gigs. I ended up returning one, replaced it, picked up a second one and it failed too. I was totally put off by the PA4X. I picked up the Kronos and that was it. I also replaced the motherboards on my Audya and I’m a happy camper.
I appreciate the sound comparison. The short sequences help to quickly compare both keyboards without forgetting what was happening in either recording. The problem is, I'm sorry to say, the performance. The performer simply did not play very idiomatically. There was only a very basic understanding of the instruments and how they work, and thus, the realism of both keyboards suffered. There was no good demonstration of the extra super articulations which greatly add to the realism of any sample on the Genos. This does not take away from the pianistic abilities of whoever demonstrated these instruments, because he's quite adept, but a piano player is not a sample player. The reason I'm posting this comment is I constantly see people posting videos of these instruments and never really see anyone understand how to play most of the patches on them, and I believe it's really doing these companies and instruments an injustice. Hopefully, people understand that this is constructive criticism. I'd like to see better demos across the board online, so that I can make more informed decisions about these products. I owned a tyros 2, and I know what these instruments are capable of, so I believe there's more to the Genos and Pa4x than what is being demonstrated.
Korg for live performace, yamaha for studios. Korg's strings and piano far more greather. Not to mention korg usability for oriental music. So, DEFINITELY KORG!
I have owned both. Unless you are talking about the MG edition of the Pa4X (with external dedicated buttons for oriental scale), both are capable of playing oriental. As a matter of fact, even my CVP-809 digital piano is capable of playing oriental as Yamaha provides full control over tone scaling. Strings and piano voices on Yamaha are cleaner, and in general, the finesse of sound of Genos is higher. The characteristics of the sounds is a different story, as this is subjective to the taste of the player/listener. In terms of live performance, unless you are talking about one-man band, I would say Pa4X has the edge, given the number of physical buttons that help navigate quicker. That said, the user interface of Pa4X is sub-par, and no where near half as good as that of Genos'. Yamaha have a more structured and intuitive user interface with better displays. This makes Genos easier to handle when in a live performance as part of a band (Genos is not as versatile as Pa4X for one-man band, as you need to use the screen to navigate to different features, despite having a number of assignable buttons and one-touch settings). For a studio, a synthesizer is what is needed, not an arranger. But if one is limited to one device and require arranger capabilities, then certainly Genos is the way to go, especially with the ease of interfacing it with other systems without compromise on sound quality deterioration due to impedance matching issues. Pa4X is more versatile when it comes to customization and modification than Genos.
@@Johnherlihy1 hey John, I think it all boils down to personal taste, which is quite subjective. You could tune the piano voices on the Genos, but I for one prefer not to do that. I find their CFX not quite as rich as the one on CVP-809, especially in the "Piano Room" mode which most probably used physical modeling as opposed to sampling (Genos has mostly samples). You can always tune your voices on the Genos to give it more low end depth for example, where I see it lacking, but I for one don't like doing that. The piano on the Pa4X was "processed", which is more or less what you could get if you tune the Genos. It just did not sound right for someone with a mostly audiophile ear preference (I don't want to say a purist, because I do at times enjoy EQ in my music). The CVP-809 is gone (for space limitations) and I had it replaced with a stack of Genos on top of Viscount Physis K4 EX which is a master MIDI controller with physical modeling sound engine, and believe me, the sounds in there blow those of the any other Korg or Yamaha or Roland out of the water! They have an "Italian Grand" that's most probably a modelled Faziol that has no equal anywhere. I could easily write a whole poem about it. That too was gone for a good buyer, chiefly because I wasn't quite happy with the action and needed a better user interface. Long story short, I was considering the Roland Phantom 8 (for the keybed action) but ended up getting the Korg Kronos 2 Titanium which has an Italian Grand, but that's no where near the sound that the K4-EX had. With the Kronos in the scene, the Pa4X had no place really, even as an arranger (where the Genos offers superiority).
As somebody choosing an arranger, it’s a tough call. In some respects it’s like comparing apples with oranges. Different keyboards by different manufacturers with different recording and sound qualities. Some sounds favour Yamaha, some favour Korg, but in isolation they both sound great. I do think the Korg has a slightly more punchier sound, but as already said, it’s about preference. What is swaying me to the Yamaha is the functionality and workflow of the Genoa’s. I’ve always found Yamaha to be more user-friendly in that regard. Can’t go wrong with either to be honest.
For the Genos, I'd say that Yamaha became less user friendly. They added a touch screen, which I cannot use since I'm blind. I know they added Voice Guide, but I don't like the voice used for it.
Bottom line is who's doing the programming and what type of samples are used to get the sounds. I'm pretty much at the point with my Kronos that I rarely even bother with the factory sounds, they're ok, but with the incredible 3rd party library's out there, it just takes your synth to a whole new level. I do like the geno's sounds better, but again, who's programming it and how big are the 3rd party library's so you can expand? Without that, your synth will get old rather fast.
Same sounds (same engine even) different shell. Most folks do not realize that Mr. Korg worked for Yamaha before he started his own company, and that he was licensed by Yamaha to bring and use the technology into his machines. So, what you really have here is the exact same sounds with a slightly different EQ and effects. in other words, each of these machines (with the proper fine tuning) can do exactly what the other can. If you really want something different, (at the same high-level) you have to go Ketron SD9. I owned one for 4 months, and sent it back however because it could not play Yamaha styles, (and I have a ton of them,) but the quality of the sounds and styles (although not as many) were even better than the Genos. The other thing I did not like about the SD9 was the positioning of the buttons, Ketron cheapened out and made the core of the keyboard so that they can use it as the SD90 module (without the keys), and to do so they basically had to condense all the buttons at the center of the machine around the screen. This however, places the variations and start/stop buttons too far from your left hand, (unlike the Genos) so every time you need to push one of these buttons, you have no choice but to let go of either your left or right hand. So disappointing. I am Italian and I would have liked to be able to use the SD9, but despite being built like a tank and very good (10% better than the Genos) sounding, I had to return it and go for the Genos. So, all considered, the Genos is the best machine on the planet. I just wish they had the same "midi-to-Style" technology as Korg does, then there would be no point looking at anything else.
the engine is not the same yamaha is closed and you can not set all things by hand youself as on korg you can the engine of korg can be simple updated yes now the genos can also but the same .....no way .. start the genos and the korg from cold start and see the different between startup time so the same ????? and ketron sd9 yes if ketron would have a better after sale but this is really bad and you know that ...
You cant tell which is better sounding by listening to a youtube recording so much is lost, for my part Genos has it, this demo does not do justice to the Genos and the same may well go for the Korg
I like both, Genos looks better almost like a Kronos, the graphic display is better on the Genos as far as sounds they both sound great but PA4X is still in decent price range.
I am used to dealing and playing with acoustic instruments, and taking into account the playing here frequently isn't in accord with the style of each real acoustic instrument, in most cases the Genos is closer to sounding like the real acoustic instrument. If price was no object the Genos is a clear winner on authenticity of sound, but I'm not so sure that the authenticity difference is sufficient to justify the difference in cost. On authenticity of sound, Genos is a clear winner but perhaps not so on value for money.
Yamaha and Korg are both outstanding Superior keyboards and I simply love both companies. I do own the Korg, however, before hearing the Genos, and I STILL would have picked the Korg because I am an Arranger- type-person. Check it out!
Entitled to your own opinion, Jared; nothing wrong with that at all. Both of our Keyboard specialists in store have the Pa4X at the moment. Thanks for watching! Richard
I own the tyros 4 i like it just fine but honestly i just don't feel like the genos is much a step up. and frankly i think a lot of the sounds i heard on the korg also sounded better then the genos as well. (however some on the korg were clearly much much worse )
Its hard to say... I'm a concert pianist, I love playing the keyboard or synths. Been playing for 38 years now... I've had Yamaha's and Korgs.. For me, the korg adds more depth and deeper bass to give much more clarity in the actual sound. Yamaha, whilst I think it sounds great, for me, sounds slightly more on the treble side. Although having said that, if you don't understand how the actual voice of the instrument is played, then you will never create the exact sound on the machine.
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The Genos might be more expensive but after months of watching youtube clips and reading reviews i feel sure that Yamaha Genos has the best and most realistic voices out there!
The guptaus, woodwinds, brass sounds more natural. Organs sounds best on Korf.. Would be very hard to choose between the two if you can afford both go for it.
Genos (28 lbs) is lighter than PA4X (36 lbs), which makes Genos better for traveling gigs PA4X price ($4K) is much more affordable than Genos ($5.4K) however
The Pa4X-Pianos sounds a bit better... more "pearly"... but the rest of the Korg has partly (more or less) a strong synth-touch in his sounds and the Genos is much more authentic by natural instruments. That doesn`t surprise me `cause the Genos has a 4x larger sample-ram and thereby more multi/velocity-samples etc. But BOTH are really great machines and the winner is the one behind the machines... wether Korg or Yamaha ;-)
I have a beloved Tyros 5 & owned a PA-900 both brands are excellent. I prefer Yamaha in most categories essential to my needs, but Korg is second to none. I'll buy a Genos and Pa-5x someday.
Very nice and neutral playing. Keyboardist is not favouring any keyboard over the other. That said, they both sound great! The rest is personal taste and minor differences in sounds. Some are better on one and some on the other. Cheers!
I just wish there was more editing ability in the Genos that you do get in the Pa4X. Korg allows you to fine tune your sound better to your own tastes than the Yamaha, as people like to do. So for the price and the extra features, my choice is the PA4x.
Sono approdato per caso alla Yamaha prima con la vecchia Psr 2100 , poi psr 3000, e di seguito tyros 2, tyros 3, tyros 4, tyros 5 ... solo peche negli anni ho costruito una mia libreria di suoni , style , multipad , registration ecc. che ovviamente sono adatti solo alla serie Yamaha sono costretto a rimanere con questo marchio, ma l'enditing della Yamaha mi sta ' veramente molto stretto oltre al fatto che cambiano modello ogni 3 , 4 anni ...forse o anzi credo proprio che lo fanno di proposito per farti acquistare modelli poco editabili per invogliarti a passare alla successiva edizione ...onestamente ho sempre ammirato la Korg per qualita' timbrica solidita' strutturale stracolma di tasti e funzioni che permette a qualsiasi esecutore in grado di saperla utilizzare una personalizzazione estrema se poi aggiungiamo che costa anche meno ...penso di aver detto tutto , l'unica cosa a cui farei attenzione se fossi fra i progettisti Korg e' cercare di contenere il peso e magari un display sempre orientabile un po' piu' grande ...ovviamente anche il sistema di amplificazione esteticamente sarebbe proprio da cambiare in quel caso anche copiando alla Yamaha , aggiungo che anche la Ketron e' da considerare SD9 ..l'unica parte che non mi piace e' l'aspetto estetico i timbri non all'altezza il peso eccessivo ..ma ha una grande possibilita' di editare il tutto e questo e' proprio quello che cerco ......buona musica a tutti.
very close, some hits for Yamaha, some hits for Korg.. But when it comes to an arranger, a style comparison says more then single sound comparison.. so waiting for that. In the end you cant go wrong with any of these 2 where it comes to the sound. Which might make the PA4x a better choice, with all its direct access buttons and incredible deep editable sound engine for people that like to do more then just play. Yamaha's ensemble feature tough is out of this world.
That's the intention, but on the one hand, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg has the same musical needs as Germany/Swiss/ Austria. On the other hand, 80 % of the Musikant content is compatible to all West Europe and North America. We haven't to forget, Bert Kaempfert is popular in USA, Boney M. too; Herb Alpert Amercian musician, Booker T and Everly Brothers too; Phil Collins is British musician, George Michael, UB 40, Rolling Stones and Joe Cocker too; "Mary Poppins" is an American Movie....
Sometimes it is hard to decide, but over the whole range I find Genos the winner, especially the guitars are much better and also the styles of Genos are better
Choirs sound better on the Genos, but apart from that is it just me or do the sounds sound a little muted on the Genos and a lot fuller on the Pa4x? It just does to me.
With eyes closed I could hear the Genos acting more seamlessly to tie the notes together with correct breath or pluck. The Korg stood out to me as pleasant but didn't do as good of a job as the Genos in emulating how breath and plucked instruments sound as they are played.
I'd really live to see more editable features and a more professional take on the software as well as a strong body build quality of the upcoming Genos . Genos may sound better at one or the other way but sitting infront of a Korg itself gives you a pro look and feeling . I hope they do it
From experience (that is, playing KORG and Yamaha keyboards in person, sometimes side by side), KORG sounds have a little "something" to them that Yamaha sounds just don't have. But if these two were the same price, I'd go for the Genos any day. I've played a number of arrangers from both of these makers, and I have to say Yamaha boards are way more user friendly and intuitive. And by the way, go try these out to truly compare them. There is so much more to a keyboard for the player than just the sounds. An audience won't care if you use a KORG or a Yamaha.
Timothy Edwards Yes but we can only compare we have. They said the same when Korg Pa4X released. The Genos sounds definetly better but its £1500 more expensive and that has to be considered.
See, I don't see that the Genos sounds better than the Korg, not at all. A lot of stuff in the Genos sound that I consider 'distortion' that isn't present in the Korg. I would spend my money on the PA4X before I spent it on the Genos, at least from what I've seen.
Gary C Well I have the Korg Pa4X and could have said with ease that korg pa4x its better if I was a fanboy but I am not. The Genos has incredible styles and great sounds if you play it in person. ill put it this way if you prefer European Dance,Trance,Pop and Latin music Genos wins hands down. If you like more traditional rock and balkan style music Korg Pa4X is great. Both have their pros and cons. Korg’s guitars are very nice and sound more real. It’s down to price and if you have the Tyros 5. If you do it wont be an incredible upgrade but an good one if you have the money.
Actually, I have a Korg PA800, before that a PA80, before that a iX300. I don't consider myself a 'fanboy' either, in fact, I used to sell Yamaha keyboards, pianos, organs, etc. It's just that at each time I bought, the Korgs were better than the same class Yamaha. The music I play is more jazz, swing, big band, Latin jazz and 'The Great American Songbook as well as 'Rock 'n' Roll' and some early rock. So, according to your own statement, the PA4X is the keyboard I'm looking for. I agree that the Genos does sound pretty darned good, but I also hear a lot of overtones and 'distortion' in the sounds too. When I say 'distortion', I'm talking about stuff that seems to add 'warmth' and 'depth' to the sound, not crunches or fuzzies. I don't want that in my samples, I'll add it myself later on. But, before I purchase, I'll listen to each individually. Thank you for your response, it IS appreciated.
"Genos still sounds like tyros 5" Is this something bad, when these sounds needs no improvement? In the PA3x many sounds were also perfectly and not improved in PA4x.
All depends WHO sits behind the keyboard....
Well ... Hopping it will not a thief who sitting behind the keyboard ... :-) :-) :-)
I'm a Yamaha guy ... but ... that piano on the KORG, right out of the gate, in my opinion, has nice sounds ...to me sounds more real with the nuances of the hammers striking, and the keys .... sounds great...
For Arranger Keyboards...Korg takes the cake, always. Been using a Korg since I was 10 years old. My first arranger was the Korg i3 Arranger, and tried other brands like Roland but not even close. I've purchased the PA1X pro back in the day, added the PA4X and soon Kronos. Korg just has very power sounds.
Wow what a GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE!!! Both of these instruments are fantastic. Competition breeds EXCELLENCE! 40 years ago I only dreamed of things like these, NOW THEY ARE! They each have their merits. NOW, are we going to take this technology to its EXTREME? ARE WE WORTHY? Thanks all you engineers and musicians that have given us these jewels to praise providence! NOW be worthy of the tech!!!
LOVE my Pa4X!!
My big gripe is no weighted keys. The Pa4X is "Semi-weighted", I'm a pianist; I don't feel any weight. I just bought a Kawai MP11se to use as a MIDI controller. Expensive solution lol
I've never had a Korg but have owned several Yamaha instruments. This demo hardly distinguishes between the two. However, I must say that the Korg looks more professional and an ideal stage instrument
Then just get a piano.
Both boards have very good sound. To me, I wouldnt feel like I am missing much if I had one or the other keyboard. The Genos does have much brighter sound than the PA4X. However, the PA4X has a better lower register than the Genos. Given an option, I'd take the PA4X and save the $1500.
Saving $1500 is a huge deal for anyone.
I agree with the Korg having the noticeably better lower register, but on some instruments it seems slightly muddy.
That would not be an option for me.
You also have to compare the price at launch or wait a bit. Currently the difference between Genos and Pa4x 76 is still 677 € or 776 $.
And I do not have to be annoyed for the money for years.
Korg have some serious issues in low frequency take, it sounds like there is some serious phase issues, no transients.
This comparison is only one part of the sound test, the real thing is playing those two brands live, then Korg sounds like it is broken. Every Korg for the past 30 years sounds the same, they do it intentionally, but why no one knows.
The sax on the Genos sounded more realistic and dynamically accurate . Hard to say how much factory settings play into the differences I am hearing but the Yamaha piano and organ voices seem more organic and thicker.
Eso porque no eligió nomás el sonido correcto. Hay saxos del korg pa4x qué suenan demasiado bien incluso mejor que de yamaha
Both are sounding great , but it also depends how you set the EQ . I am happy with my Genos , but second choice is the Pa4
KORG sounds realistic ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
And Yamaha sounds warmer 💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋💋
Always been a Korg guy but migrated over to Yamaha with a MOX and I love it I would recommend Yamaha to anyone when it comes to sound.
Korg live quality sound character & Yamaha recording quality sound character
lol exactly what I was thinking about them
Nah mate. U legit got it opposite.
Exactly, your comment remind me something I said time ago: get a Yamaha if you want to create music for a movie end credits, get a Korg if you want to play in a band. Yamaha sounds are warmer, Korg sounds are crispy.
Both keyboards are the most professional ones on the market for their class. The Yamaha has features the Korgs doesn't have and Korg also has it's own features that the Yamaha doesn't have. But the Korg to me has editable styles and sounds, so you can make your playing uniquely yours in all ways. Yamaha has some very "over the top" styles variations that are too full on to use ( in my opinion).
Yamaha Genos and Korg PA4x have the same sound for me. But, for the distortion effects, I love Korg because it's more real than Genos (using VCM for realistic guitar amps and effects). Please upload style comparison between PA4x and Genos, thanks.
Both instruments provide high quality sounds! I prefer the Yamaha Genos and that is what I purchased. It is truly incredible.
I like to have both, it seems to me that, the Genos has a lot of details and is more gentle sounding, while the PA4X has more strength and forwarding power.
I bought the DX7 on the day it first arrived in Honolulu. I bought the Korg Trinity as soon as it became available. I still have the Silver Beast. For the video at hand, to me it looks like the fingers has an easier time playing the Genos. Korg seem more outfront in all the voices. I've resisted retiring my Trinity until the Genos came out. Genos looks like more fun to play. I want the fun. I just need the bucks.
For wind and string instruments (guitar, saxophone, clarinet, flute...), the Yamaha is VERY advanced. A surprisingly faithful reproduction of the original instruments.
For keyboard instruments (piano, organ, synthesizer...), the Korg is definitely the best.
piano yamaha is the best❤️
the Genos sounds, alone, are it's strongest point, with the second strongest point being the drums, consequently, the accompaniment on the styles is more realistic....where PA excels is in two areas: amazing versatility in various recording choices, and being able to extract new sounds and styles from the front located thumb drive without having to load it into memory. This last thing is a strikingly intelligent feature which should be on all these major keyboards. It is holy hell adding sounds to both Korg and Yamaha mainstream keyboards, ie, Kronos and Motif. Drawing from the thumb drive without being subject to memory limitations and other intricacies is a refreshing look at adding more sounds. And the recording abilities, converting to Mp3 so easily and other recording features is another great point for the PA......if Roland can continue to refine the actual sounds and drums themselves, they will surpass the Genos.
They both have their charms,thats what makes them individually special..its not about comparison but its down to one's own preferences as they both are great sounding keyboards.If i had the money,I would buy both of them.
I am buying both .
Thanks for taking the time to do this - appreciated Korg remains the professional of the two for me but it's all in the ears of the beholder eh :-)
Both sound very similar and fantastic. I’d have the Korg n take a cruise (or two) with the savings.
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The EQ on Genos can almost match that soft sound on the Korg. Sounds like each keyboard is using different effects sometimes on the similar sound comparison. I vote Genos hands down.
You hit the nail on the head. I'm listening and whichever one sounds better, I find myself saying, nothing that a little EQ adjustment can't fix.
Yamaha's sound feels like texture and tasty
Taste is a personal thing but for me The Genos is the absolute winner !
EEE.. KORG SUPER .
No no,,, korg is extreme
I can not buy either Genos or Korg but after testing from shop, Genos is a lot of better!!
I hope that i will get Genos or his next model(Genos 2:) ) in the future :)
@@radekskalik5602 At least, a new Genos Le ;)
@@eliasjeisu1182 Please, mention those "lacks" Txs.
As a huge Korg fan and user, I’d still have to give this to Yamaha on every point. Every tone had more definition, more articulation. Don’t get me wrong I’m disappointed by this outcome, I now have to go out and get me a Yamaha product.
Same Dan...I'm also korg fan and user,but just about every sound is more realistic on the Yamaha 🙈
I have the Korg Pa4X but the Genos sounds fantastic. Beautiful machine
i have tyros 5 and korg pa4x i find the korg has better trumpets accordions organ guitar .Yamaha has better strings/vocal sounds /sax brass is much better and the guitar .i can play more movie film scores on the tyros 5 than the korg .but the rock styles are superior to yamaha and it sounds more like a live band the korg .
I have a cheap ass synth and it sounds better than all arrangers but i need an arranger just for styles.
Why is there no arranger synthesizer?? is it so hard to make in 2018 ffs??
Band in a Box ?
But interesting that your "cheap ass" synth sounds better.
The Genos cost more than most other Top synths and Workstations. It isn't a synth and there will be things it can' do that a real synth can with voice editing, but compared with other "synths" that is based on a "rompler" or sampler + a sequencer/daw, the Genos blows the bejesus out of most other so called Sampler or rompler based workstations no matter if its an "arranger" keyboard or a more "professional" workstation.
So unless you want a specific analog or digital synth for specific work with synthesizer sounds, you won't find many other sample based workstations that sound better than the Genos, or Korg pa dependent wich one you like the best. These instruments today is so full fledged sample workstations that its kinda wrong just to call them an "arranger keyboard" (like back in the 80ies and 90ies when the "arranger keyboards" was mostly regarded as toys for home mucissians only).
Only thing that beats these 2 keyboards today (with its possibilities and user customized sounds) is the Wersi Sonic OAX line, but they also cost as much as a small house for the big organ versions wich is totally nuts.
I don't have any experience with lots of keyboards i never had pa arrangers or new workstations such as triton or m3 kronos orthe arranger korg pa4x etc ,but with what i'v heard digital synthesizers and new workstations are about the same in terms of the sound quality and very high sound quality mostly top of the line ones. And with what i'v read and experienced synths workstations lack of styles but some do have some beats which can be useful at times but nothing compared to the great and additional styles of an arranger. On the other side arranger's sound quality depends on the price of the arranger and even a mid range arranger would sound good and perform live and you would still get the feeling od a good sound quality , and the high end arrangers tend to have a very good sound quality , very close to a synth. But it might not be for all sounds i don't know there might be sounds from an high end arranger such as genos that sound same as a mid range/top of the line synth/workstation . And i see some saying genos is a workstation and i believe genos is an high end arranger based on styles etc but if it's an arranger synthesizer workstation then well done to yamaha as that means people won't be using 2 keyboard anymore on clubs parties live shows etc one for sounds and one for styles,but they can use 1 instead. And if it's an arranger only ,i think it's a matter of time and we will soon see arranger synths out there .I don't see why it's impossible . I personally haven't compared an genos or any other top of line arranger with an high end synth workstation.But if i have a chance to compare them or play them and hear them both and if the difference is very small i'd definitely go for the high end arranger . I was thinking to buy a sound module with synth sounds as they tend to have high sound quality like integra 7 or any other sound module but i'm afraid the response time will not be as good as a keyboard with built in sounds would have to try it, they say if you use a software synth from pc and if the pc doesn't have a very good processor the keyboard might not be very responsive but sound mudules would be better/faster than the software i guess .
Believe me the Genos is on full par, sound Quality wise with things like Korg Kronos (the sampler/rompler/Strings/plucked engine part) and eg the Roland Integra. Most of the Tyros line and now Genos is using some of the best of Yamaha's own Motiff samples, Its just far superior to the Motiff in terms of ease of use, and the fact that you have the arranger part makes it very easy to use, not just for home or party musicians, but also for professional arranger/producers in the studio to create the groundwork for writing/arranging music.
You can of course allways discuss if you like a certain sound better from another keyboard but the general quality of the sounds can compare with just about anything on the market. The Integra is what imho gets closest to compare with eg the Genos cause many of the Integra sounds have different articulation sounds like the Yamaha, but I don't know if they are as easy to use as the SA2 sounds. personly I don't think the pa4 is even close to compare, but thats personly. I never really liked the sound of the Korg pa line.
However, It is much like buying a car today. There isn't many "bad cars" around today when you hit a certain price range .. same with electronics. if you pay 5k+ $ or Euro's for a keyboard, you wont get a bad keyboard.
You can however get just what YOU want if you buy a good keyboard controller, a Mac Book Pro, a good Thunderbolt Audio interface and what software synths you like, but it will also be twice the price or more and you won't have the easy to use arranger, and yes if you arent in love with Apple and want to try your luck with a PC notebook, you propably will run into some trouble unless you know what to buy. Latency is the big struggle with software solutions, but in most cases a mediocre Macbook with an i5 processor will in many cases run just as good if not better than a PC gaming notbook with the largest i7 you can find, and the advanced GFX cards in a gaming PC will cause more problems than most users know.
Korg is better than Yamaha any day! The strings and Pads on Korg are simply superb
The sounds are really very similar and there are a lot of things you can do to tweak them. However, a big one for me was the Organ drawbars and rotary sound on the Korg which was not demonstrated here. I noticed for guitar sound on both Korg and the Yamaha demo, you can have glancing notes which gives more authenticity. On Korg, you can also have really nice guitar harmonics and hand-beating sound on the guitar body. I don't know if the Yamaha has this capability.
Yamaha does have this. To have both in one sound, you can use the MegaVoices on the Yamaha. However, the MegaVoices are only useful for midi because of velocity switching.
My favourite is the Genos. The acoustic instruments sounds more detailed and clearer. I like the guitars, saxophones and organs on the genos. But you uses the theatre organ is not the same as in the Kork. I would think this was a drawbar organ. In general they are both superb entertainer keyboards.
wow...it's sounded so real in various insrtuments, i wish i could play like you.....
According to this particular video I may assume Yamaha wins in guitars section (esp. articulation). Not sure about wind&brass, as for me they are close. For the rest of sounds I would prefer Korg.
Two powerful keyboards. Like them both, but I'm a yamaha guy
It is hard to say which is best incase these two
Legendary names
#Korg
# Yamaha
Both are helping me in music production both are awesome
No doubts! Both are sounding very good! It has something to do with habits! I like Genos sound but I prefer The PA4X for it sounds much more real (According to the original instruments!)
As a professional musician and piano teacher for over 40 years, I’ve owned both the Korg PA4X and the Genos. If you’re using them in a live situation (with no gimmicks playing at the same time), The Genos wins hands down, IMHO.
Its also much more intuitive and easier to use on the fly.
The brass, woodwind and guitar sounds are far more superior. You can tweak the sounds, I know, but I just want to play, not waste too much time trying to be a sound engineer, a lot as to do with your competence as a pianist and musician.
That’s why it’s more expensive, you get what you pay for.
I wish Yamaha would bring this out as 88 weighted keys, but they won’t as it would be competing with the CVP range.
As a young straight forward pianist and musician I had both and I ended with the PA4x. The keys are much better to play. The sounds: yes, depends. But what I do not like with the Yamaha: Many settings are so deep down in the menus and not practically accessable and absolutely not suited for "my" stage performances. I think as a younger producer like piano player, singer songwriter, the PA4X is way way better. Yamaha offered me an endorsement for the Genos, but I did not take it since I did not feel comfortable with it... only my experience.
@@jordambee I have both, with 2 more machines. I can say with much certitude that Yamaha menus are far easier to navigate through then Korg. In case of Pa4X, the fact that it has so many hardware buttons makes it easier to access what you want quickly. That helps a lot if you are playing as a one-man band who is improvising in a gig or a stage performance. Genos offers more assignable keys and one-touch settings that compensates for their progressive views on how keyboards evolve with less buttons. Of course that still required you to plan your performance, which is only logical.
Pa4X has some signature sounds that no Yamaha has, and vice versa. The ribbon control and woodwind interface control, and KAOSS are unique features to Pa4X. Nuances and sound clarify on the Genos on the other hand are superior. Keys are a tad lighter which fits the purpose of a keyboard. The expressions and styles on Genos are richer and note crisp. Pa4x's after touch makes it more enjoyable with higher realism, that and of course the "live" feel of the sounds. In a studio, Genos is king in almost all aspects, except for the cheap plastic look and rather lighter weight, when compared with the high finesse of the material finish and minimalist grand retro look and feel of the Pa4X. Two great machines that complement each other for anyone that could afford having both. But if budget is of the essence, I personally would go for the Genos, even if that meant a compromise on on-the-fly flexibility for live performances and tweaking leewy. Sound quality for me is key.
@Lesley Carter, I own both, plus a Clavinova CVP-809B and a Roland Fantom 8. I also had a CVP-709PE from 2016, and had a PSR-A3000, PSR-A2000 and a PSR-A1000 during the past 17 years. When I was a teenager through mid twenties I could only afford GEM and Yamaha keyboards, not Korg or Roland. Hands down, all Yamaha are much easier and more intuitive to operate than any other keyboard. Super Articulation sounds are top drawer that nothing else can beat. In terms of tweaking, Genkd offers 80% of Pa4X's capability, albeit the 20% gives more than just additional leeway, but a smoother seamless operation. Each keyboard had its unique features that makes it a must for capable musicians to own both if they could afford that of course.
I bought the CVP series because I wanted 88 fully weighted hammer effect keys which neither Genos nor Pa4X offered, and I didn't want to invest in another synthesizer like Yamaha Montage 8 especially that I had the Roland Fantom 8 synthesizer. I opted for the CVP-709PE for the real piano feel (and amazing polished ebony look) with linear graded keys. Before Christmas I got a great deal on upgrading to CVP-809B when it had a launch price offer (standard walnut matt black wood finish). Grand Touch, more S.Art 1&2 sounds, more styles, enhanced menu, bigger screen and better sound system. just missing the polished ebony look.
The CVP-809 and the Genos are basically the same thing. In fact, the CVP-809 has slightly more than the Genos.
For sure, we have our own sound preferences whether yamaha or korg.
I can honestly say although I absolutely love Yamaha Korg definitely sounds more realistic on piano strings sax etc...I think Yamaha drums and arrangements are better and more modern!
Notwithstanding the different articulation technologies used, maybe it's about the different EQ settings on individual instrument that the Korg Pa4X is more attuned to accompaniment purposes, while the Yamaha Genos can go solo and shine brightly, if the player wants it to.
Korg since 40 years better than all the rest
I currently have an Audya, but the left output failed so I purchased a Korg PA 4X. The PA4X failed twice on two different gigs. I ended up returning one, replaced it, picked up a second one and it failed too. I was totally put off by the PA4X. I picked up the Kronos and that was it. I also replaced the motherboards on my Audya and I’m a happy camper.
Genuinely, both sounds amazing but KORG is more leading into real instruments hence super for performance.
I appreciate the sound comparison. The short sequences help to quickly compare both keyboards without forgetting what was happening in either recording. The problem is, I'm sorry to say, the performance. The performer simply did not play very idiomatically. There was only a very basic understanding of the instruments and how they work, and thus, the realism of both keyboards suffered. There was no good demonstration of the extra super articulations which greatly add to the realism of any sample on the Genos. This does not take away from the pianistic abilities of whoever demonstrated these instruments, because he's quite adept, but a piano player is not a sample player. The reason I'm posting this comment is I constantly see people posting videos of these instruments and never really see anyone understand how to play most of the patches on them, and I believe it's really doing these companies and instruments an injustice. Hopefully, people understand that this is constructive criticism. I'd like to see better demos across the board online, so that I can make more informed decisions about these products. I owned a tyros 2, and I know what these instruments are capable of, so I believe there's more to the Genos and Pa4x than what is being demonstrated.
I had a slight feeling The Korg and The Yamaha weren't presented through the same speaker system. The Yamaha usually sound better!
I’d buy the Genos just for that outstanding choir 🎶Yamaha all the way 🎹
Korg for live performace, yamaha for studios. Korg's strings and piano far more greather. Not to mention korg usability for oriental music. So, DEFINITELY KORG!
I have owned both. Unless you are talking about the MG edition of the Pa4X (with external dedicated buttons for oriental scale), both are capable of playing oriental. As a matter of fact, even my CVP-809 digital piano is capable of playing oriental as Yamaha provides full control over tone scaling.
Strings and piano voices on Yamaha are cleaner, and in general, the finesse of sound of Genos is higher. The characteristics of the sounds is a different story, as this is subjective to the taste of the player/listener. In terms of live performance, unless you are talking about one-man band, I would say Pa4X has the edge, given the number of physical buttons that help navigate quicker. That said, the user interface of Pa4X is sub-par, and no where near half as good as that of Genos'. Yamaha have a more structured and intuitive user interface with better displays. This makes Genos easier to handle when in a live performance as part of a band (Genos is not as versatile as Pa4X for one-man band, as you need to use the screen to navigate to different features, despite having a number of assignable buttons and one-touch settings). For a studio, a synthesizer is what is needed, not an arranger. But if one is limited to one device and require arranger capabilities, then certainly Genos is the way to go, especially with the ease of interfacing it with other systems without compromise on sound quality deterioration due to impedance matching issues. Pa4X is more versatile when it comes to customization and modification than Genos.
@@firasalatiyat866 I own the Genos, love it, except for piano. Does the Korg piano sound better to you?
@@Johnherlihy1 hey John, I think it all boils down to personal taste, which is quite subjective.
You could tune the piano voices on the Genos, but I for one prefer not to do that. I find their CFX not quite as rich as the one on CVP-809, especially in the "Piano Room" mode which most probably used physical modeling as opposed to sampling (Genos has mostly samples).
You can always tune your voices on the Genos to give it more low end depth for example, where I see it lacking, but I for one don't like doing that. The piano on the Pa4X was "processed", which is more or less what you could get if you tune the Genos. It just did not sound right for someone with a mostly audiophile ear preference (I don't want to say a purist, because I do at times enjoy EQ in my music).
The CVP-809 is gone (for space limitations) and I had it replaced with a stack of Genos on top of Viscount Physis K4 EX which is a master MIDI controller with physical modeling sound engine, and believe me, the sounds in there blow those of the any other Korg or Yamaha or Roland out of the water! They have an "Italian Grand" that's most probably a modelled Faziol that has no equal anywhere. I could easily write a whole poem about it.
That too was gone for a good buyer, chiefly because I wasn't quite happy with the action and needed a better user interface. Long story short, I was considering the Roland Phantom 8 (for the keybed action) but ended up getting the Korg Kronos 2 Titanium which has an Italian Grand, but that's no where near the sound that the K4-EX had.
With the Kronos in the scene, the Pa4X had no place really, even as an arranger (where the Genos offers superiority).
Korg sounds very realistic and excellent, But Yamaha sounds beyond real as if it comes from heaven.
I've heard that keybad of Geno's is bad .... very cheap
As somebody choosing an arranger, it’s a tough call. In some respects it’s like comparing apples with oranges. Different keyboards by different manufacturers with different recording and sound qualities. Some sounds favour Yamaha, some favour Korg, but in isolation they both sound great. I do think the Korg has a slightly more punchier sound, but as already said, it’s about preference. What is swaying me to the Yamaha is the functionality and workflow of the Genoa’s. I’ve always found Yamaha to be more user-friendly in that regard. Can’t go wrong with either to be honest.
For the Genos, I'd say that Yamaha became less user friendly. They added a touch screen, which I cannot use since I'm blind. I know they added Voice Guide, but I don't like the voice used for it.
The Korg sounds more direct and punchy. The Yamaha has the 'warm bath' sound since the PSR-2000.
Bottom line is who's doing the programming and what type of samples are used to get the sounds. I'm pretty much at the point with my Kronos that I rarely even bother with the factory sounds, they're ok, but with the incredible 3rd party library's out there, it just takes your synth to a whole new level. I do like the geno's sounds better, but again, who's programming it and how big are the 3rd party library's so you can expand? Without that, your synth will get old rather fast.
Same sounds (same engine even) different shell. Most folks do not realize that Mr. Korg worked for Yamaha before he started his own company, and that he was licensed by Yamaha to bring and use the technology into his machines. So, what you really have here is the exact same sounds with a slightly different EQ and effects. in other words, each of these machines (with the proper fine tuning) can do exactly what the other can. If you really want something different, (at the same high-level) you have to go Ketron SD9. I owned one for 4 months, and sent it back however because it could not play Yamaha styles, (and I have a ton of them,) but the quality of the sounds and styles (although not as many) were even better than the Genos. The other thing I did not like about the SD9 was the positioning of the buttons, Ketron cheapened out and made the core of the keyboard so that they can use it as the SD90 module (without the keys), and to do so they basically had to condense all the buttons at the center of the machine around the screen. This however, places the variations and start/stop buttons too far from your left hand, (unlike the Genos) so every time you need to push one of these buttons, you have no choice but to let go of either your left or right hand. So disappointing. I am Italian and I would have liked to be able to use the SD9, but despite being built like a tank and very good (10% better than the Genos) sounding, I had to return it and go for the Genos. So, all considered, the Genos is the best machine on the planet. I just wish they had the same "midi-to-Style" technology as Korg does, then there would be no point looking at anything else.
the engine is not the same yamaha is closed and you can not set all things by hand youself as on korg you can
the engine of korg can be simple updated yes now the genos can also but the same .....no way .. start the genos and the korg from cold start and see the different between startup time so the same ????? and ketron sd9 yes if ketron would have a better after sale but this is really bad and you know that ...
I'm singer, musician. I like both.Price pa4xpro more decent 🎶👍
Hey AC Hamilton still waiting on that styles comparison for each keyboard
Me too :/
me too
They both sound great! But I'm gonna have to go with the korg.. sorry but I'm just a BIG fan of Korg!
I love all boards, but Korg for me! M1 user here. Peace out!
You cant tell which is better sounding by listening to a youtube recording so much is lost, for my part Genos has it, this demo does not do justice to the Genos and the same may well go for the Korg
I like both, Genos looks better almost like a Kronos, the graphic display is better on the Genos as far as sounds they both sound great but PA4X is still in decent price range.
Sweet voices from korg..KORG 🥰
Korg has warmer sounds on the keyboards/pianos category. But yamaha owns the wind instrument sounds as always, i love the articulations in every sound
OMG< how can the Genos can give the guitar drift that much. so beautiful.
I am used to dealing and playing with acoustic instruments, and taking into account the playing here frequently isn't in accord with the style of each real acoustic instrument, in most cases the Genos is closer to sounding like the real acoustic instrument. If price was no object the Genos is a clear winner on authenticity of sound, but I'm not so sure that the authenticity difference is sufficient to justify the difference in cost. On authenticity of sound, Genos is a clear winner but perhaps not so on value for money.
Truly said
everything on Pa4X sounds much brighter to my ear, hmm ?
In my ear it is the opposite ! especially piano, guitars
Yamaha and Korg are both outstanding Superior keyboards and I simply love both companies. I do own the Korg, however, before hearing the Genos, and I STILL would have picked the Korg because I am an Arranger- type-person. Check it out!
If conuld not have both, I choose the Korg!
I think it all comes down to personal preference. Each has its own pluses and minuses
Not trying to get hate, but i like the korg a lil better.
Entitled to your own opinion, Jared; nothing wrong with that at all. Both of our Keyboard specialists in store have the Pa4X at the moment. Thanks for watching! Richard
I own the tyros 4 i like it just fine but honestly i just don't feel like the genos is much a step up. and frankly i think a lot of the sounds i heard on the korg also sounded better then the genos as well. (however some on the korg were clearly much much worse )
Good for you brother. After all it's a matter of sound choices (still it doesn't make any sense)
Its hard to say... I'm a concert pianist, I love playing the keyboard or synths. Been playing for 38 years now... I've had Yamaha's and Korgs.. For me, the korg adds more depth and deeper bass to give much more clarity in the actual sound. Yamaha, whilst I think it sounds great, for me, sounds slightly more on the treble side. Although having said that, if you don't understand how the actual voice of the instrument is played, then you will never create the exact sound on the machine.
Наконец-то Ямаха изобрела сенсорный дисплей!!!(Finally, Yamaha invented the touch screen!!!)
Korg sounds realistic for sure but yamaha has the consistency over mastering the acoustics and sound
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The Genos might be more expensive but after months of watching youtube clips and reading reviews i feel sure that Yamaha Genos has the best and most realistic voices out there!
True bro...
Too fast dude! Compare it versus Kurzweil Artis or The Forte... and rewrite a comment! ;)
Korg sounds more realistic, the timbres are more developed (as if it sounds next to you😊
Buy Korg, save 1.5k, download Genos voices that you prefer, spend 1.5k on proper audiophile outputs for Korg. Smile, sit back and enjoy!
Korg dosen't sound good.
The guptaus, woodwinds, brass sounds more natural. Organs sounds best on Korf.. Would be very hard to choose between the two if you can afford both go for it.
Korg pa x4 is the best ever👍
I have not so much money for korg pa 4x or yamaha genos but I have korg pa 700 and its so cool.
Genos (28 lbs) is lighter than PA4X (36 lbs), which makes Genos better for traveling gigs
PA4X price ($4K) is much more affordable than Genos ($5.4K) however
I thought it was abou $6K.
The Pa4X-Pianos sounds a bit better... more "pearly"... but the rest of the Korg has partly (more or less) a strong synth-touch in his sounds and the Genos is much more authentic by natural instruments.
That doesn`t surprise me `cause the Genos has a 4x larger sample-ram and thereby more multi/velocity-samples etc.
But BOTH are really great machines and the winner is the one behind the machines... wether Korg or Yamaha ;-)
Korg have most hard and clear sound, Yamaha is most natural
I have a beloved Tyros 5 & owned a PA-900 both brands are excellent. I prefer Yamaha in most categories essential to my needs, but Korg is second to none. I'll buy a Genos and Pa-5x someday.
Yamaha ha mejorado muchísimo pero Korg es insuperable, no solo es la estética y sus lucecitas, sino la calidad.
El Yamaha es mejor que korg es solo propaganda
Very nice and neutral playing. Keyboardist is not favouring any keyboard over the other. That said, they both sound great! The rest is personal taste and minor differences in sounds. Some are better on one and some on the other. Cheers!
Always Korg ❤️
Great job! We need one video like this with Styles please!!!
Did Korg bought both Yamaha corp and Roland?
Im a YAMAHA FAN since childhood.....I think Both are perfect on their own resepective fields....KUDOS TO YAMAHA🤗......KUDOS TO KORG🤗
KORG for me is nr 1😎
Ik speel al drie jaar op de Tyros 4 en ik zie, na al die demonstraties, nog geen enkele reden om van instrument te veranderen!!
I just wish there was more editing ability in the Genos that you do get in the Pa4X. Korg allows you to fine tune your sound better to your own tastes than the Yamaha, as people like to do. So for the price and the extra features, my choice is the PA4x.
Sono approdato per caso alla Yamaha prima con la vecchia Psr 2100 , poi psr 3000, e di seguito tyros 2, tyros 3, tyros 4, tyros 5 ... solo peche negli anni ho costruito una mia libreria di suoni , style , multipad , registration ecc. che ovviamente sono adatti solo alla serie Yamaha sono costretto a rimanere con questo marchio, ma l'enditing della Yamaha mi sta ' veramente molto stretto oltre al fatto che cambiano modello ogni 3 , 4 anni ...forse o anzi credo proprio che lo fanno di proposito per farti acquistare modelli poco editabili per invogliarti a passare alla successiva edizione ...onestamente ho sempre ammirato la Korg per qualita' timbrica solidita' strutturale stracolma di tasti e funzioni che permette a qualsiasi esecutore in grado di saperla utilizzare una personalizzazione estrema se poi aggiungiamo che costa anche meno ...penso di aver detto tutto , l'unica cosa a cui farei attenzione se fossi fra i progettisti Korg e' cercare di contenere il peso e magari un display sempre orientabile un po' piu' grande ...ovviamente anche il sistema di amplificazione esteticamente sarebbe proprio da cambiare in quel caso anche copiando alla Yamaha , aggiungo che anche la Ketron e' da considerare SD9 ..l'unica parte che non mi piace e' l'aspetto estetico i timbri non all'altezza il peso eccessivo ..ma ha una grande possibilita' di editare il tutto e questo e' proprio quello che cerco ......buona musica a tutti.
Both are excellent. Difference is in price (PAX is much cheaper) and style quality (Genos is much better)...
very close, some hits for Yamaha, some hits for Korg.. But when it comes to an arranger, a style comparison says more then single sound comparison.. so waiting for that. In the end you cant go wrong with any of these 2 where it comes to the sound.
Which might make the PA4x a better choice, with all its direct access buttons and incredible deep editable sound engine for people that like to do more then just play. Yamaha's ensemble feature tough is out of this world.
Hi Jules, we'll be getting a Styles Comparison together just as soon as we can. Thanks for your comment, and for watching. Richard
It's a shame, that Korg's "Musikant" version isn't available outside the German speaking Europe, this would bring the Korg much above Genos.
Rob F everything the musikant offers more then the normal pa4x is specifically aimed at the German and Alpen market.
That's the intention, but on the one hand, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg has the same musical needs as Germany/Swiss/ Austria.
On the other hand, 80 % of the Musikant content is compatible to all West Europe and North America.
We haven't to forget, Bert Kaempfert is popular in USA, Boney M. too; Herb Alpert Amercian musician, Booker T and Everly Brothers too; Phil Collins is British musician, George Michael, UB 40, Rolling Stones and Joe Cocker too; "Mary Poppins" is an American Movie....
Overhere in Holland, many dealers have the musikant for sale to, if you want it.
Sometimes it is hard to decide, but over the whole range I find Genos the winner, especially the guitars are much better and also the styles of Genos are better
here in Brazil I think they use more korg for being a little cheaper
Except in the IURD where they only use Yamaha! :P
Choirs sound better on the Genos, but apart from that is it just me or do the sounds sound a little muted on the Genos and a lot fuller on the Pa4x? It just does to me.
Korg sounds brighter but genos much quality and realistic and much thicker
Some sounds are better on the Yamaha, like brass sounds, and then some are better on the Korg, but I'd go with the Yamaha.
KORG Pa 4 x number one. ..👌👍👍
With eyes closed I could hear the Genos acting more seamlessly to tie the notes together with correct breath or pluck. The Korg stood out to me as pleasant but didn't do as good of a job as the Genos in emulating how breath and plucked instruments sound as they are played.
Korg pa 4x 1👍
I'd really live to see more editable features and a more professional take on the software as well as a strong body build quality of the upcoming Genos . Genos may sound better at one or the other way but sitting infront of a Korg itself gives you a pro look and feeling . I hope they do it
From experience (that is, playing KORG and Yamaha keyboards in person, sometimes side by side), KORG sounds have a little "something" to them that Yamaha sounds just don't have. But if these two were the same price, I'd go for the Genos any day. I've played a number of arrangers from both of these makers, and I have to say Yamaha boards are way more user friendly and intuitive.
And by the way, go try these out to truly compare them. There is so much more to a keyboard for the player than just the sounds. An audience won't care if you use a KORG or a Yamaha.
Korg sounds Bold
Yamaha sounds Bright
Every keyboard have advantages
Thanks for comparison 👍
When the pa5x comes out it sound even better than genos !!Genos still sounds like tyros 5
Timothy Edwards Yes but we can only compare we have. They said the same when Korg Pa4X released. The Genos sounds definetly better but its £1500 more expensive and that has to be considered.
See, I don't see that the Genos sounds better than the Korg, not at all. A lot of stuff in the Genos sound that I consider 'distortion' that isn't present in the Korg. I would spend my money on the PA4X before I spent it on the Genos, at least from what I've seen.
Gary C Well I have the Korg Pa4X and could have said with ease that korg pa4x its better if I was a fanboy but I am not. The Genos has incredible styles and great sounds if you play it in person. ill put it this way if you prefer European Dance,Trance,Pop and Latin music Genos wins hands down. If you like more traditional rock and balkan style music Korg Pa4X is great. Both have their pros and cons. Korg’s guitars are very nice and sound more real. It’s down to price and if you have the Tyros 5. If you do it wont be an incredible upgrade but an good one if you have the money.
Actually, I have a Korg PA800, before that a PA80, before that a iX300. I don't consider myself a 'fanboy' either, in fact, I used to sell Yamaha keyboards, pianos, organs, etc. It's just that at each time I bought, the Korgs were better than the same class Yamaha.
The music I play is more jazz, swing, big band, Latin jazz and 'The Great American Songbook as well as 'Rock 'n' Roll' and some early rock. So, according to your own statement, the PA4X is the keyboard I'm looking for. I agree that the Genos does sound pretty darned good, but I also hear a lot of overtones and 'distortion' in the sounds too. When I say 'distortion', I'm talking about stuff that seems to add 'warmth' and 'depth' to the sound, not crunches or fuzzies. I don't want that in my samples, I'll add it myself later on.
But, before I purchase, I'll listen to each individually.
Thank you for your response, it IS appreciated.
"Genos still sounds like tyros 5" Is this something bad, when these sounds needs no improvement?
In the PA3x many sounds were also perfectly and not improved in PA4x.
La chaleur et la "vérité" du son Korg. Le PA4x n'a pas à rougir. En tout cas , belle démo qu'on attendait . Merci.