At first I was like, "ooh, rough result!"... but then I took a step back, and realized that this was actually a surprisingly good result for a non-track pad. 900 miles of heavy track use, and the yellows and rotors took some damage... but didn't fail or fade or otherwise ruin the track day. Thanks for showing this!
Wow... it's almost like what the manufacturer says right on their website about being ok for light track use, but not recommended for heavy track days. That's amazing you were able to replicate the factory recommendation!
I've had the EBC YELLOWS and I was very satisfied with them . Good for daily and track use for sure. First of all I did the instructed bedding procedure that took me around 1500 miles total as the introductions says. The last hundreds of miles were on the way to a track day . I've been on track all day so that's 5 sessions of 25 min each. I got to say the improvements over stock brakes was huge . I've also put on new stoptech slotted rotors , stainless steel brake lines and motul racing fluid .
Nice one 👍 Glad you use them both on street and track as that's what they were designed for. Many many people will say there are better pads and they are correct but I think these are the best in terms of value and being road legal. I hammered the EBC Yellowstuff really really hard in this video and they still held up ok for a fast road pad.
My ebc yellow took @500 to 1000 miles to bed in. After that no problems serious stopping power even with tons of use and abuse. Yours looked cooked, were they bedded in correctly .this proceedure seems to be vital to avoid problems
Same experience with the Yellow on a BMW and Subaru, 1 trackday and they were completely gone. Changed to CL5 also, best pads for trackdays. The yellowstuff is fine for light small cars as an upgrade from Oem.
I've heard alot of people complain about the EBC yellow stuff pads in pretty much exactly the same way you have. I tried them on my DeTomaso Pantera and even though i didn't push them as hard as probably you have on your car i did find them to deteriorate real quick and chew up my discs also. I have since been getting my pads re coated with new compound from a company called Dixel brake in Australia. They specialise in special materials for classic cars. The material they do for me contains a small amount of carbon & kevlar and give me endless braking performance on track with no fade and no where near as much disc wear as the EBC yellow stuff pads. They are perfect for road use also with no squeal and no real need to heat them up. Great video.
Yellow stuff is a fast road pad, really. Had them on a Mondeo and they were fine once warmed up, but holy shit scary around town in winter. Ended up going back to OE spec Pagid on that car.
Just ran a full day at PittRace yesterday on my 08 350z with stock calipers(only a year old however) and yellow stuff absolutely kicked ass. Never did I feel my brakes getting squishy or anything. Firm stopping even when running super hot laps back to back. They are very very dusty however, which isn’t really that bad for me, just more time to clean my wheels!
Best brake pad I have ever used are CL, expensive, but the performance is consistent and reliable which is what you want from a track pad, worth every penny in my book.
I had an Ep3 that did loads of track days. I found Yellowstuff ok, but Bluestuff could just about do 4 track days even pushing hard. But on the Honda s2000/EP3 calipers you have to do a couple of things to reduce heat. 1. remove the dust shield from the ABS sensor. 2. Rebuild the calipers with new pistons and seals, so you can push the pistons in with your thumbs not pliers! 3. File off the paint around the EBC pads where it locates in the carrier to make a looser sliding fit. I used Mintex solid discs which were cheap and performed really well, I replaced these approx every 10 TD's.
Had these EBC pads on my Supercharged MX5 with AD08Rs. They lasted 1 track day at Caldwell Park with nothing left for the drive home (the pad seemed to be smeared down the side of the car).. Now have CL RC5+ & they have done a combination of 19 sprints & hillclimbs with plenty of pad material left plus about 5000 road miles.
I had EBC Yellows for my first event. I killed them. Then I switched to EBC Blues. I went through three sets of those. Better heat tolerance but they have no bite. I’ve just switched to a bigger brake kit with Carbotech RA1 pads.
best thing you can do is buddy get some cooling ducts to your front brakes, you'd be surprised how much longer your brakes will last. Also a cool down laps with brake ducts really help!
Agreed. I'm lucky that my Mini Cooper S is designed with front cooling ducts. Also, various HPDE instructors I've had highly recommend a cool down lap. If that's not possible then drive around the paddock for a little while after coming off the track.
Those brakes have been too hot. Id say your problem is your brake (calipers and rotors) arent large enough to dissipate the heat your generating while racing. Thats not a fault with the pad compound. But rather a symptom of using such aggressive pads in a brake setup without sufficient thermal handling. Id suggest you look into a larger front brake package if you want to race. I use EBC yellows on my track car, and have never got them that hot. But i have upgraded my brake system to 350mm rotors with 6 piston wilwood calipers. Specifically because i was overheating the previous brake pads and boiling fluid with smaller 330mm rotors. The larger brake system has much better thermal handling and does not give me any trouble anymore.
Yes, given the massive amount of discolouration, fluid boil-off and obvious thermal damage to the pads he had a serious cooling issue and cooked it all.
I agree also he used ebc brake pads on random discs and I know that ebc pads work at theyr best with ebc discs, sometimes people try to cheap out and this always happens, if you buy the pads get the discs to.
@@oiudsaf do you know WTF you are talking about bro ?????? He used EBC brake pads on random discs ?????? thats the stupidest fucking thing i have ever heard. ALL brake pads are designed to work on ANY Brake discs and are interchangeable parts you idiot. if you dont know what the fuck you are talking about dude DONT. EBC brake compounds are absolute dog shit and cannot cope with heavy track use. PERIOD. I spend a truck load of time on a race track. And you are fucking clueless if you think EBC brake pads are good.
@@oiudsaf give your opinion AFTER you have used these brake pads on a race track not driving around a fucking car park lot and all of a sudden you are an expert. fucking idiot
4:27 his conclusion and it is what i thought. There are many people asking question about EBC and he answers them: "Good for street. Short track day (10 laps/20 min) than there ok. If you are going on the hole day there not up to scratch.". (FYI: S2000 weight=1220kg)
Mine are finally grinding after 70,000 miles @ 28 months... I get somewhat racey on back roads and northern maine interstate.. I've already ordered new ones but best pads I've owned
EBC do Bluestuff pads and OrangeStuff pads for more demanding needs over the yellow. Good to know they are good for normal road use, as its what Ive got currently.
Interesting result with I haven't on my S2000, Yellow works pretty good for me I do 2 trackday and a bit of road with, no problem with the rotor, I have also tested the Ferrodo DS2500, the Carbone lorraine RC5+ and now EBC Orange and honestly I didn't see a very big difference between all of this pads. (I have stock rotor)
That's awesome! Super expensive tyre too! Keep an eye on the pressures, don't run them too hot or it can be ruined in a day. Let me know how it goes :)
Good vid! Best discs and pads I ever had were Pagid and they were on my Astra GTE 16v, I tried all the other brands of discs and pads including different combinations of pads with different discs. The Pagid brake discs could be on fire they were that hot and still good to use, pads lasted really well and i got 2 sets of pads to 1 set of discs on the front.
You brake pads look NOT to have been properly bedded. You need to bed the pads through several heat cycles before using them in anger ( this goes for all pads. ) Also never mix new pads on rotors that have had another type/brand of pad used on them.
@@gavinivers8941 dude you can cure EBC reds till the cows come home. its still a shit pad for the race track. end of story. the pads go to shit so quickly its not even funny. a basic google search will show you how many people think its shit house. go to any workshop worth their salt that modifies cars for track and they wouldnt touch EBC anything with a 10 foot pole. stop pushing your stupidity onto others for fks sake
EBC Yellowstuff pads are not suitible for track use. A good alternative would be the bluestuff or orangestuff variants, those can withstand a lot more heat. Still, thanks for your review!
I understand that with these you change the rotors and put them into the calipers then drive 1000miles according to the break in procedure. Then, you do a track day and the pads will wear down like 50%. Then you can't go for another track day so you will need new discs and pads.
Just wondering if the EBC Yellow Pads were properly bedded. In my EBC Red pad instructions, it says that you need to be gentle with the brakes for the first 200 miles of Urban driving. Only after that mileage, should you attempt to bed in the brakes by going 60mph and slowing to 10mph five times in a row. Then drive slowly for awhile to let the brakes cool down and repeat the bedding procedure. (No resting while brakes are heated.) The instructions conclude by saying that the EBC brakes get better with miles and that it may take up to 1500 miles before braking is maximized. It sounds like you can't just throw them on and go. They even encourage you to replace the rotors at the same time as the pads, but that would be too expensive for a lot of people.
Hey fasdude38, I'm not too sure if the EBC Redstuff also has the instructions pointing out that you can bed them in on the track like the EBC Yellowstuff. As you can imagine, the Yellowstuff are used in race cars that don't have the time and legal status to be on the road for 1500 miles to bed them in so they have an alternate method. I personally would say that the Redstuff is only slightly better than OEM. But Yellowstuff is much better and as you can tell from the results, they held up pretty well considering I was deliberately trying to finish them. What car do you have the Redstuff on?
So I was thinking about getting yellow stuffs but am not sure now after seeing this video and them crumbling away. Im only going to do the odd novice track day so won't be pushing hard but are they going to get destroyed that quickly? I was expecting they would survive a mild track day and plenty of miles on the road.
Pads crumbling slightly like this with white charred edges actually shows the pads have been working effectively. I guess the guy who made this video put them on the car and went out and did a track day with no bed in time given. Standard procedure to bed in Pads of ANY type.
Complete twoddle mate. I have used EBC Pads for as long as I can remember and Green is an upgrade from daily driver pads. Basically an entry level sport pad. Yellow is and has always been Fast Road and a track pad.
Thanks for your thoughts on the YellowStuff. I drive my 03 BMW 530i daily, and love tossing it around the canyons in SoCal when I can. Do you think they Yellows would be a good option for me? Better than stock pads?
+computiNATEor I would say that the Yellowstuff are better than OEM pads although they do give off more dust. For the price, I think it's worth giving it a try. Let me know what you decide.
computiNATEor we ran them on my diesel truck that weighs 4 tons and runs high 13s and my brother's Malibu ss. they wear out quicker than stock, but grip great cold, and amazing when hot. remember op was harder on these than you'll ever be. I highly recommend trying them for the price.
Thanks for the thoughts. I ended up going with a set of Cool Carbon brake pads, as they are more suited to street use than the YellowStuff, and are well respected in the BMW community. About the same price as OEM BMW brakes, and hopefully a much better brake bite than my current worn out Akebono Ceramics.
computiNATEor if you want good brakes which are highly regarded. Buy Icer NRS brake pads. only one chap sells them in Greenwich and he sometimes sells kn ebay too. they're a high carbon pad, with no)copper and no heavy metal. 24,000mile/2year warranty. the in Dubai 24 hour race, that brand was used and bott bmws usomg them came 1st and second. porsche also use them in their technical division too
I have used redstuff pads on a '08 335i and worked absolutely flawlessly. They stopped better than oem when cold or hot. They also lasted much much longer. This car was street raced regularly, so that means hard braking from 150+mph down to 20-30mph over and over. The oem pads would fade out after 2 hard braking events. The redstuff pads have never shown me any fade, even after 5 or 6 consecutive 150+mph to 20-30mph slowdowns. I made sure to have fresh rotor surfaces when the redstuff pads were installed and the rotors needed to be resurfaced 2x before the pads wore out. Best street pads IMO.
I put a new set of red stuff pads on for a track day, only four twenty minute sessions and I had 1mm left of pad before it reaches the metal contact to let you know the pads are low. I was gutted lol because they were £93 for the front and used redstuff for the back. Surly they should of lasted longer than that lol.
I don’t think grooved discs help...they’re too aggressive on the pad surface (with track spec pads.) in my experience having switched the discs to stock brembo or pagid flats and you’ll get the same performance with less pad wear!👌🏻
Tire wear and brake pad wear will vary dramatically from one driver to the next, Looks like the tires barely lost any tread, and the pads may not have been bedded properly or you are heavy footed on the brake pedal and don't use the engine as a brake, nobody can evaluate without seeing your driving style, My S2000 usually has lots of brake pad left and my tires are down to 3.5- 4MM after a weekend of racing.
I think your impression of the yellow stuff pads is spot on, good light track day pad but anything more and you'll need a dedicated track only pad. I found them to be a little hairy for street duty, to the point where it was scary in the rain on a cold stop. I prefer Hawk HPS on the street, they are very well mannered when cold, quiet and produce almost no dust.
something might be wrong with your rotors as i have yellowstuf pads on my gt86 done 34k miles with them from witch about 10k racing thru the Carpatian mountains and autoband in germany and both my disks and pads are perfect barely used 20 percent on them and the disks have no scratch on them at all. did you change the brake disk when you changed the pads, i always change disks when the pads need replacing
Hey, thanks for the comment. I would love to try those tyres as I have heard amazing things about them but they are not available in the UK :( I will give the Project Mu pads a try after the Carbone Lorraine though :) What car have you used those products on?
brake duct, it was huge difference switching from standard to performance one on my car, I don't see any on your car, I think you should have it if you want to track it and have some brakes after few laps
Basically, confirming what EBC marketing materials state. Yellowstuff is for street or light track use. Hardly shocking then. Try Orangestuff and go hard all day, show us the results of that track day. Whilst your on the brakes, for hard track days at least, swap out those drilled discs for some grooved ones. Give the pads a fighting chance.
Hello, I've been experiencing steering judder while braking, What would be the reason for this issue? Would be the warp? How good is the pad life, for the Yellow Stuff in normal street driving!!??
Cheers for the video. What do you think of these tyres on our roads and wet weather ? I'm tracking my 350z now, currently on MPSS but might change to AD08R in the future. Also using CL RC5+ pads on track, and Stoptech pads for the road (CL faaar too noisy hah).
Have yellow stuff pads and rotors on my denali terrain suv fpr towing. Winter total garbage. Only about 10k on the set up.. need to do breaks again. Rotors are warped. Not much hard breaking and just shakes going down hills. Very dissapointed in the products.
that's amazing tire wear your did 500+ miles on the track? sucks about the pads. I have yellow stuff on my diesel truck for high performance braking. but I only put 2000 miles a year. they work much better than stock when cold and grip like monsters when warm. What do you think about over all braking power? also mine don't squeak and my pads on my diesel ram are much bigger obviously. I absolutely believe your review though.
I agree about the tyre wear, I expected them to have gone down a lot more considering the way I drive on track. But the pads are decent for what they are and the price we can get them at compared to other performance pads. The pads did show signs that they were wearing out by the long pedal travel. For the weight of my S2000, it's not bad for street use at all. I might give their Blue pads a try next time.
I’ve never rated ebc pads everyone bangs on about ds2500’s and yeah there good but very expensive the best pads I’ve used are black diamond predators excellent bite feel progression and powerful from cold to hot and there not a lot of money £20 more than an oe pad years ago max power car magazine used to do a best fast road/track day brake pad shootout every year they won beating all the big names in the game so try them and then tell me I’m wrong I’ll be waiting……..
Hey Mark, thank you for the comment and support. I tried the AD08R in the dry, wet and damp conditions in the S2000 and it performed better than I expected for a road tyre. The price of the AD08R compared to other high end tyres was also one of the reasons why I chose it and will keep using it. I also reviewed a FK2, which will be released tomorrow, with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's. Those tyres were amazing in the dry but very pricey. Will you be taking your FK2 on track?
I couldn't agree more with you buddy. I just ran yellow stuff as a trail on my rx7 at Caldwell park and they suck. After 5 laps they had no bite at all. I called Ebc about it and no joke they said the pad is designed to only last 1 to three hours. Again. No joke. Check out my video mate.
What tyres do you recommend for honda jazz rim 16". Bridgestones re050 or yokohama ad08r? Or other brand. Thanks! Mostly for street use and slightly for track. Hehe
Hi, yes I have. They were not that great after a couple of laps with hard braking. They didn't like the heat I was putting them through. What pads are you using? I will also reply to your other message regarding the source of the leak. Yes, I found out that the leak was the calliper piston seal.
Thanks. I have been using hawk hp plus during my track days and they have held upp fine. However, I do not believe I am braking as hard as you are. I am running a stagerred tire setup with street tires.
I had EBC yellow on my car and it fell apart pretty fast on the track and it was broken in the city with passive driving. Like he said the pads just cant hold against intense heat on a serious track day
@@mdev8846 it’s crazy, nobody answered you🤣🤣🤣 Have you find some info what people use for circuit? I was also searching for info and I think I will probably go with endless mx72 on my supra
+Moses Moonsie Ooooh, I understand what you are saying now 😅 I changed the rotors too as they were beginning to show signs of wear. I weren't sure if you guys would be interested in what rotors I was using as this was just a review on the AD08R tyre and the EBC Yellowstuff.
Not bedded in pure and simple .follow the instructions on bedding in and they work just fine. Those discs are scored to hell scrap them with ridges and scores hard pads will take ages to bed in. New discs and pads allow time to bed in mine took 500 miles to become superb, the bedding in compound is there for a purpose.
thanks for this! going to switch from red stuff to rc6, the red stuff isn't even good for "fast street" :( or a slow lap on the nurburgring, disappointed in the brand!
ndrmini same here, only managed 1 and half a lap before fade, they was terrible, only replaced them recently and the pad material separated from the steel backing
Sorry but I don't see the point. You know they are not suitable and then review something that you know isn't suitable. Like wearing a flower pot on my head and then reviewing it as a hat. I don't get it ...
Did you wear the yellowstuff in? Just curious because they have that bedding in compound on the surface. I used to use them, but nowdays I'm mostly driving on street and reverted to normal stock brakepads.
Yes I did bed them in. I followed the instructions given on their website. I can't fault them for being an 'uprated' street pads. Sure, lots of people will recommend more expensive brands but they work better with more heat that we hardly ever reach on the road.
PerformanceCars but you still managed to melt them, so means you really pushed them to the limits (and beyond) :) I never did manage to melt mine. Waiting how those CL pads will fare in a track day in you future videos!
Yes, I absolutely nailed the brakes on every corner until I felt the pedal going close to the floor and subsequently getting the brake fluid warning light. I really can't fault the CL pads. I think I will need to upgrade my callipers before I can't destroy the CL's.
First thing you should do is flush that brake fluid with new, it looks years old from the colour and will probably have a load of water in it which is probably what contributed/caused your fade issue.
I had these tyres on my Accord Type R and they were ok on track. I then switched them to Too T1R and the difference was huge. But then again, I used the Yokohama AD08R and that blows them both out of the water.
Hey Mre M, it's hard to say when you put it that way as street driving doesn't involve any sort of speeding or hard cornering. It will also depend how you drive on the street too. The tyres you mentioned work best with heat in them, not a great amount but some. I've used all 3 tyres on my S2000 and the AD08R is grippiest then the RE050 followed by the S001. I never like the S001 for some reason. What car will you be using it on?
this is what happens when you choose the wrong pad , and then don't break them in properly , and clearly you don't know what youre doing if you just put brand new pads on with those same rotors...... do you really think they'll break in , or wear properly ? .... literally says in the description " On Japanese cars built with lower friction FF rated pads these deliver a full grade higher stopping " , as well as "Suitable for shorter track events and race use" . so between install , and return , you put 600 miles on them, right ? and how much of that was break in ? and buddy club coilovers. . please stop reviewing cars if you have no clue how to select quality parts , or taste in them for that matter. blames manufacturer .LOL. ...
twistymcslide2 My thoughts exactly. The clown knows the rotor surfaces are trashed, but just throws on new pads. If that is how he installed the yellowstuff pads, then that would explain the pad failure. He needs to get some automotive education, before making an fool of himself on the internet.
My last set of EBC yellow pads were extremely easy to break in. From 60 to 0 then repeat 3 times as fast as you could. I used them on a BMW 645ci and had 12,000 miles on mine when I sold it with no issues. Now I did not do track days but I still got an even ware on them unlike these brakes. It almost looked like the caliper slides were not lubed properly.
What use to use & love on my track VW MK2 Scirocco Scala 1.8injection till I got rid of it late 2000's. Now have a VW Polo BlueGT (2015 6c facelift) with the 150ps 1.4TSI....love to use Ferodo DS2500's again but don't seem to be able find them for mine (unless my brakes are identical fitment as the 6r/6C Polo GTI (but not painted red). Also even back with the MK2 Scirocco used factory discs with no ill effects (but did proper bedding in process).... assume could do again with my BlueGT's factory discs.
Yep, 3/4 of a trackday to be exact. And that was at Blyton park, you can see a video of it here th-cam.com/video/eUSqgz_lYAA/w-d-xo.html I am really aggressive on the brakes so these pads are not suited for my driving style.
Nice driving, that track looks really narrow, no room for errors at all. Shoulda drove with the top down, your helmet would have given you more down force. LOL
EBC pads are the most copied pads in the world, cheap Chinese pads are sprayed to any of EBC's colours. Make sure you buy them from any of the big tuning shops not cheap ebay sellers.
@@mdev8846 cool to know. I checked the price though and it's quite a lot. Like 3 to 4 times more expensive. Around 150 euros just for brake fluid is quite a lot I'd say.
Hey Nevric, this was just a test to see how well the EBC Yellowstuff handles to track use as everyone always says how crap they are. I've tried Stoptech but it's quite similar to these.
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At first I was like, "ooh, rough result!"... but then I took a step back, and realized that this was actually a surprisingly good result for a non-track pad. 900 miles of heavy track use, and the yellows and rotors took some damage... but didn't fail or fade or otherwise ruin the track day. Thanks for showing this!
Wow... it's almost like what the manufacturer says right on their website about being ok for light track use, but not recommended for heavy track days. That's amazing you were able to replicate the factory recommendation!
🤣 I was thinking the exact same thing as he said like 10 laps and done
I've had the EBC YELLOWS and I was very satisfied with them . Good for daily and track use for sure. First of all I did the instructed bedding procedure that took me around 1500 miles total as the introductions says. The last hundreds of miles were on the way to a track day . I've been on track all day so that's 5 sessions of 25 min each. I got to say the improvements over stock brakes was huge . I've also put on new stoptech slotted rotors , stainless steel brake lines and motul racing fluid .
Nice one 👍 Glad you use them both on street and track as that's what they were designed for. Many many people will say there are better pads and they are correct but I think these are the best in terms of value and being road legal.
I hammered the EBC Yellowstuff really really hard in this video and they still held up ok for a fast road pad.
My ebc yellow took @500 to 1000 miles to bed in. After that no problems serious stopping power even with tons of use and abuse. Yours looked cooked, were they bedded in correctly .this proceedure seems to be vital to avoid problems
My saab 9-3 has stock 154hp mine tuned 330, i ran EBC Redstuffs but these did fade on track. Do you think yellows would do lots better?
Same experience with the Yellow on a BMW and Subaru, 1 trackday and they were completely gone. Changed to CL5 also, best pads for trackdays. The yellowstuff is fine for light small cars as an upgrade from Oem.
an Asian gentlemen with a British accent! my favorite car video guy yet! love it!
He sure sounds British like Bear Grylls ! lol
omg yeah the accent is funny.
There's no such thing as a British accent, there's over 40 different regional accents in the whole of the UK.
As in any country... You d...b f...k
Asian? You do realise that 60 countries, almost a third of the countries worldwide are Asian?
I've heard alot of people complain about the EBC yellow stuff pads in pretty much exactly the same way you have. I tried them on my DeTomaso Pantera and even though i didn't push them as hard as probably you have on your car i did find them to deteriorate real quick and chew up my discs also. I have since been getting my pads re coated with new compound from a company called Dixel brake in Australia. They specialise in special materials for classic cars. The material they do for me contains a small amount of carbon & kevlar and give me endless braking performance on track with no fade and no where near as much disc wear as the EBC yellow stuff pads. They are perfect for road use also with no squeal and no real need to heat them up. Great video.
Yellow stuff is a fast road pad, really. Had them on a Mondeo and they were fine once warmed up, but holy shit scary around town in winter. Ended up going back to OE spec Pagid on that car.
Just ran a full day at PittRace yesterday on my 08 350z with stock calipers(only a year old however) and yellow stuff absolutely kicked ass. Never did I feel my brakes getting squishy or anything. Firm stopping even when running super hot laps back to back. They are very very dusty however, which isn’t really that bad for me, just more time to clean my wheels!
Best brake pad I have ever used are CL, expensive, but the performance is consistent and reliable which is what you want from a track pad, worth every penny in my book.
I had an Ep3 that did loads of track days. I found Yellowstuff ok, but Bluestuff could just about do 4 track days even pushing hard. But on the Honda s2000/EP3 calipers you have to do a couple of things to reduce heat. 1. remove the dust shield from the ABS sensor. 2. Rebuild the calipers with new pistons and seals, so you can push the pistons in with your thumbs not pliers! 3. File off the paint around the EBC pads where it locates in the carrier to make a looser sliding fit. I used Mintex solid discs which were cheap and performed really well, I replaced these approx every 10 TD's.
Had these EBC pads on my Supercharged MX5 with AD08Rs. They lasted 1 track day at Caldwell Park with nothing left for the drive home (the pad seemed to be smeared down the side of the car).. Now have CL RC5+ & they have done a combination of 19 sprints & hillclimbs with plenty of pad material left plus about 5000 road miles.
I had EBC Yellows for my first event. I killed them. Then I switched to EBC Blues. I went through three sets of those. Better heat tolerance but they have no bite. I’ve just switched to a bigger brake kit with Carbotech RA1 pads.
best thing you can do is buddy get some cooling ducts to your front brakes, you'd be surprised how much longer your brakes will last. Also a cool down laps with brake ducts really help!
Agreed. I'm lucky that my Mini Cooper S is designed with front cooling ducts. Also, various HPDE instructors I've had highly recommend a cool down lap. If that's not possible then drive around the paddock for a little while after coming off the track.
No brake cooling! YS on my 89 911 work perfectly on Track and Road with proper airducts directly on the Rotor!
Those brakes have been too hot. Id say your problem is your brake (calipers and rotors) arent large enough to dissipate the heat your generating while racing.
Thats not a fault with the pad compound. But rather a symptom of using such aggressive pads in a brake setup without sufficient thermal handling. Id suggest you look into a larger front brake package if you want to race.
I use EBC yellows on my track car, and have never got them that hot. But i have upgraded my brake system to 350mm rotors with 6 piston wilwood calipers. Specifically because i was overheating the previous brake pads and boiling fluid with smaller 330mm rotors. The larger brake system has much better thermal handling and does not give me any trouble anymore.
Yes, given the massive amount of discolouration, fluid boil-off and obvious thermal damage to the pads he had a serious cooling issue and cooked it all.
are you fucking serious ????? deadset dude
I agree also he used ebc brake pads on random discs and I know that ebc pads work at theyr best with ebc discs, sometimes people try to cheap out and this always happens, if you buy the pads get the discs to.
@@oiudsaf do you know WTF you are talking about bro ?????? He used EBC brake pads on random discs ?????? thats the stupidest fucking thing i have ever heard. ALL brake pads are designed to work on ANY Brake discs and are interchangeable parts you idiot. if you dont know what the fuck you are talking about dude DONT. EBC brake compounds are absolute dog shit and cannot cope with heavy track use. PERIOD. I spend a truck load of time on a race track. And you are fucking clueless if you think EBC brake pads are good.
@@oiudsaf give your opinion AFTER you have used these brake pads on a race track not driving around a fucking car park lot and all of a sudden you are an expert. fucking idiot
4:27 his conclusion and it is what i thought. There are many people asking question about EBC and he answers them: "Good for street. Short track day (10 laps/20 min) than there ok. If you are going on the hole day there not up to scratch.". (FYI: S2000 weight=1220kg)
Mine are finally grinding after 70,000 miles @ 28 months... I get somewhat racey on back roads and northern maine interstate.. I've already ordered new ones but best pads I've owned
EBC do Bluestuff pads and OrangeStuff pads for more demanding needs over the yellow. Good to know they are good for normal road use, as its what Ive got currently.
Just installed ebc orange hd truck suv pads an rotors on my lx570 with slightly larger tires the stop great
Interesting result with I haven't on my S2000, Yellow works pretty good for me I do 2 trackday and a bit of road with, no problem with the rotor, I have also tested the Ferrodo DS2500, the Carbone lorraine RC5+ and now EBC Orange and honestly I didn't see a very big difference between all of this pads. (I have stock rotor)
grooved drilled discs are more abrasive to pads
So excited to try out my Yokohama A048's on a Track day!
That's awesome! Super expensive tyre too! Keep an eye on the pressures, don't run them too hot or it can be ruined in a day. Let me know how it goes :)
PerformanceCars Thanks for the info! Keep up the good work!
Good vid! Best discs and pads I ever had were Pagid and they were on my Astra GTE 16v, I tried all the other brands of discs and pads including different combinations of pads with different discs. The Pagid brake discs could be on fire they were that hot and still good to use, pads lasted really well and i got 2 sets of pads to 1 set of discs on the front.
Good advice. What Pagid model of brake discs and brake pad are you using ?. Pagid Series is extended...
your right about ad08rs’s even better than potenza’s I run them 2/3 psi lower than standard I’ve found it increased overall feel and compliance
You brake pads look NOT to have been properly bedded. You need to bed the pads through several heat cycles before using them in anger ( this goes for all pads. ) Also never mix new pads on rotors that have had another type/brand of pad used on them.
Dude EBC pads are shit. nothing to do with bedding them in. EBC are absolutely shit
i thought the red thing helps break the pads into the rotors ?
@@Utsusemi It help mate the two surfaces, but you still need to heat cycle the pads to cure the pad material.
@@gavinivers8941 dude you can cure EBC reds till the cows come home. its still a shit pad for the race track. end of story. the pads go to shit so quickly its not even funny. a basic google search will show you how many people think its shit house. go to any workshop worth their salt that modifies cars for track and they wouldnt touch EBC anything with a 10 foot pole. stop pushing your stupidity onto others for fks sake
@@robbyjai Am stating to think that a EBC employee ran off with your mother .By the way you have so much hate for there brake pads
EBC Yellowstuff pads are not suitible for track use. A good alternative would be the bluestuff or orangestuff variants, those can withstand a lot more heat. Still, thanks for your review!
I understand that with these you change the rotors and put them into the calipers then drive 1000miles according to the break in procedure. Then, you do a track day and the pads will wear down like 50%. Then you can't go for another track day so you will need new discs and pads.
Just wondering if the EBC Yellow Pads were properly bedded. In my EBC Red pad instructions, it says that you need to be gentle with the brakes for the first 200 miles of Urban driving. Only after that mileage, should you attempt to bed in the brakes by going 60mph and slowing to 10mph five times in a row. Then drive slowly for awhile to let the brakes cool down and repeat the bedding procedure. (No resting while brakes are heated.) The instructions conclude by saying that the EBC brakes get better with miles and that it may take up to 1500 miles before braking is maximized. It sounds like you can't just throw them on and go. They even encourage you to replace the rotors at the same time as the pads, but that would be too expensive for a lot of people.
Hey fasdude38, I'm not too sure if the EBC Redstuff also has the instructions pointing out that you can bed them in on the track like the EBC Yellowstuff.
As you can imagine, the Yellowstuff are used in race cars that don't have the time and legal status to be on the road for 1500 miles to bed them in so they have an alternate method. I personally would say that the Redstuff is only slightly better than OEM. But Yellowstuff is much better and as you can tell from the results, they held up pretty well considering I was deliberately trying to finish them.
What car do you have the Redstuff on?
So I was thinking about getting yellow stuffs but am not sure now after seeing this video and them crumbling away. Im only going to do the odd novice track day so won't be pushing hard but are they going to get destroyed that quickly? I was expecting they would survive a mild track day and plenty of miles on the road.
ebc specifcally says yellow is only for daily drivers , green is their cheapest track brakes
Pads crumbling slightly like this with white charred edges actually shows the pads have been working effectively. I guess the guy who made this video put them on the car and went out and did a track day with no bed in time given. Standard procedure to bed in Pads of ANY type.
Complete twoddle mate. I have used EBC Pads for as long as I can remember and Green is an upgrade from daily driver pads. Basically an entry level sport pad. Yellow is and has always been Fast Road and a track pad.
Thanks for your thoughts on the YellowStuff. I drive my 03 BMW 530i daily, and love tossing it around the canyons in SoCal when I can. Do you think they Yellows would be a good option for me? Better than stock pads?
+computiNATEor I would say that the Yellowstuff are better than OEM pads although they do give off more dust. For the price, I think it's worth giving it a try. Let me know what you decide.
computiNATEor we ran them on my diesel truck that weighs 4 tons and runs high 13s and my brother's Malibu ss. they wear out quicker than stock, but grip great cold, and amazing when hot. remember op was harder on these than you'll ever be. I highly recommend trying them for the price.
Thanks for the thoughts. I ended up going with a set of Cool Carbon brake pads, as they are more suited to street use than the YellowStuff, and are well respected in the BMW community. About the same price as OEM BMW brakes, and hopefully a much better brake bite than my current worn out Akebono Ceramics.
computiNATEor if you want good brakes which are highly regarded. Buy Icer NRS brake pads. only one chap sells them in Greenwich and he sometimes sells kn ebay too.
they're a high carbon pad, with no)copper and no heavy metal. 24,000mile/2year warranty.
the in Dubai 24 hour race, that brand was used and bott bmws usomg them came 1st and second.
porsche also use them in their technical division too
I have used redstuff pads on a '08 335i and worked absolutely flawlessly. They stopped better than oem when cold or hot. They also lasted much much longer. This car was street raced regularly, so that means hard braking from 150+mph down to 20-30mph over and over. The oem pads would fade out after 2 hard braking events. The redstuff pads have never shown me any fade, even after 5 or 6 consecutive 150+mph to 20-30mph slowdowns. I made sure to have fresh rotor surfaces when the redstuff pads were installed and the rotors needed to be resurfaced 2x before the pads wore out. Best street pads IMO.
I put a new set of red stuff pads on for a track day, only four twenty minute sessions and I had 1mm left of pad before it reaches the metal contact to let you know the pads are low.
I was gutted lol because they were £93 for the front and used redstuff for the back.
Surly they should of lasted longer than that lol.
Did you use ebc disc with you pads? Ebc discs and pads are suposed to be used together as one, I have them on my focus rs and they work briliant.
I don’t think grooved discs help...they’re too aggressive on the pad surface (with track spec pads.) in my experience having switched the discs to stock brembo or pagid flats and you’ll get the same performance with less pad wear!👌🏻
Simply a overheating Trackday driving like racing driving, without refrigeration laps.
Tire wear and brake pad wear will vary dramatically from one driver to the next, Looks like the tires barely lost any tread, and the pads may not have been bedded properly or you are heavy footed on the brake pedal and don't use the engine as a brake, nobody can evaluate without seeing your driving style, My S2000 usually has lots of brake pad left and my tires are down to 3.5- 4MM after a weekend of racing.
I think your impression of the yellow stuff pads is spot on, good light track day pad but anything more and you'll need a dedicated track only pad. I found them to be a little hairy for street duty, to the point where it was scary in the rain on a cold stop. I prefer Hawk HPS on the street, they are very well mannered when cold, quiet and produce almost no dust.
Maybe try adding some forced ventilation on to the rotors to cool them down some. May give you more life and less heat damage on rotor and pads
something might be wrong with your rotors as i have yellowstuf pads on my gt86 done 34k miles with them from witch about 10k racing thru the Carpatian mountains and autoband in germany and both my disks and pads are perfect barely used 20 percent on them and the disks have no scratch on them at all. did you change the brake disk when you changed the pads, i always change disks when the pads need replacing
Try bridgestone RE71R typres or yokohama a050 and P.U 999 brake pads
You will felt in love with them
Hey, thanks for the comment. I would love to try those tyres as I have heard amazing things about them but they are not available in the UK :( I will give the Project Mu pads a try after the Carbone Lorraine though :)
What car have you used those products on?
2003 cl7 r
Nice! Are you from the UK?
Im from Hong Kong, if you are going to visit HK again. I will let you do a test drive haha
MsCRYSLS you guys have Honda SI.R?
Rbf 660 fluid you want not the dot 5.1 and you should get some ferodo ds3000 all round
brake duct, it was huge difference switching from standard to performance one on my car, I don't see any on your car, I think you should have it if you want to track it and have some brakes after few laps
Some people can't understand the difference between a road biased sport pad and a race pad
Basically, confirming what EBC marketing materials state. Yellowstuff is for street or light track use. Hardly shocking then. Try Orangestuff and go hard all day, show us the results of that track day. Whilst your on the brakes, for hard track days at least, swap out those drilled discs for some grooved ones. Give the pads a fighting chance.
Hello, I've been experiencing steering judder while braking, What would be the reason for this issue? Would be the warp? How good is the pad life, for the Yellow Stuff in normal street driving!!??
Cheers for the video.
What do you think of these tyres on our roads and wet weather ?
I'm tracking my 350z now, currently on MPSS but might change to AD08R in the future.
Also using CL RC5+ pads on track, and Stoptech pads for the road (CL faaar too noisy hah).
What's your opinion about Stoptech brake pads? What model are you using now for road ?.
Have yellow stuff pads and rotors on my denali terrain suv fpr towing. Winter total garbage. Only about 10k on the set up.. need to do breaks again. Rotors are warped. Not much hard breaking and just shakes going down hills. Very dissapointed in the products.
that's amazing tire wear your did 500+ miles on the track? sucks about the pads. I have yellow stuff on my diesel truck for high performance braking. but I only put 2000 miles a year. they work much better than stock when cold and grip like monsters when warm. What do you think about over all braking power? also mine don't squeak and my pads on my diesel ram are much bigger obviously. I absolutely believe your review though.
I agree about the tyre wear, I expected them to have gone down a lot more considering the way I drive on track. But the pads are decent for what they are and the price we can get them at compared to other performance pads. The pads did show signs that they were wearing out by the long pedal travel. For the weight of my S2000, it's not bad for street use at all. I might give their Blue pads a try next time.
I’ve never rated ebc pads everyone bangs on about ds2500’s and yeah there good but very expensive the best pads I’ve used are black diamond predators excellent bite feel progression and powerful from cold to hot and there not a lot of money £20 more than an oe pad years ago max power car magazine used to do a best fast road/track day brake pad shootout every year they won beating all the big names in the game so try them and then tell me I’m wrong I’ll be waiting……..
How do you find the AD08R in the wet? Considering these for the FK2....Great wee video and review as always :)
Hey Mark, thank you for the comment and support. I tried the AD08R in the dry, wet and damp conditions in the S2000 and it performed better than I expected for a road tyre. The price of the AD08R compared to other high end tyres was also one of the reasons why I chose it and will keep using it.
I also reviewed a FK2, which will be released tomorrow, with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's. Those tyres were amazing in the dry but very pricey. Will you be taking your FK2 on track?
I couldn't agree more with you buddy. I just ran yellow stuff as a trail on my rx7 at Caldwell park and they suck. After 5 laps they had no bite at all. I called Ebc about it and no joke they said the pad is designed to only last 1 to three hours. Again. No joke. Check out my video mate.
yellow are not for track days. and that looks like you slapped them on the original rotors w/o turning them?
Did you identity the source of the brake fluid leak? Check that drain bolts are tight
how about these yellowstuffs vs R1 concepts preformance pads ?
Bedding your brakes does not mean going to sleep.
What tyres do you recommend for honda jazz rim 16". Bridgestones re050 or yokohama ad08r? Or other brand. Thanks! Mostly for street use and slightly for track. Hehe
Yokohama 052 tires.
Those are very good pads, they are not a race pad, ebc does make a race pad that im sure will work very well
curious .. did you replace the discs when changing to the new style pads ie what condition were the discs pre track day?
The discs look 10 yrs old. I run yellow stuff. Great pads
@@pauljoey7977 What model of brake discs do you use ?.
Nice! Have you tried the hawk hp plus race pad?
Hi, yes I have. They were not that great after a couple of laps with hard braking. They didn't like the heat I was putting them through. What pads are you using?
I will also reply to your other message regarding the source of the leak. Yes, I found out that the leak was the calliper piston seal.
Thanks. I have been using hawk hp plus during my track days and they have held upp fine. However, I do not believe I am braking as hard as you are. I am running a stagerred tire setup with street tires.
I had EBC yellow on my car and it fell apart pretty fast on the track and it was broken in the city with passive driving. Like he said the pads just cant hold against intense heat on a serious track day
And what brake pads are you using now ?.
@@mdev8846 it’s crazy, nobody answered you🤣🤣🤣
Have you find some info what people use for circuit?
I was also searching for info and I think I will probably go with endless mx72 on my supra
Nice vid man.
Did you swap out or resurface the rotors after putting the new pads in?
+Moses Moonsie Hey, these were brand new discs with the EBC Yellowstuffs.
I saw the rotors had some marks on them from the track day, so i though you would have put new ones with the new pads.
+Moses Moonsie Ooooh, I understand what you are saying now 😅 I changed the rotors too as they were beginning to show signs of wear. I weren't sure if you guys would be interested in what rotors I was using as this was just a review on the AD08R tyre and the EBC Yellowstuff.
How many miles did you do on the pads before hitting the track?
Not bedded in pure and simple .follow the instructions on bedding in and they work just fine. Those discs are scored to hell scrap them with ridges and scores hard pads will take ages to bed in. New discs and pads allow time to bed in mine took 500 miles to become superb, the bedding in compound is there for a purpose.
thanks for this! going to switch from red stuff to rc6, the red stuff isn't even good for "fast street" :( or a slow lap on the nurburgring, disappointed in the brand!
ndrmini same here, only managed 1 and half a lap before fade, they was terrible, only replaced them recently and the pad material separated from the steel backing
Where you got the fancy blackstuff brakefluid ? 🤣✌️
Wait a minute, was that you on Car Throttle today? Nice!
+computiNATEor Hey buddy, yep, that was me indeed!! I hope you enjoyed it 😊 A behind the scenes video will be released tomorrow here on my channel.
We’re u runing ebc rotors
better use ate typ 200 than that crappy motul or put in some RAVENOL RACING BRAKE FLUID R325+. Best stuff for the money at least in my country.
No. From my experience, Endless brake fluid is better.
How many track days
Have you tried the red or blue stuff?
Why use yellow stuff fast road pads for track day use rather than orange stuff that are for ...... track day use.
Sorry but I don't see the point. You know they are not suitable and then review something that you know isn't suitable. Like wearing a flower pot on my head and then reviewing it as a hat. I don't get it ...
Honestly i already had an idea this dude is wrong...using old rotors on brand new performance pads
Did you wear the yellowstuff in? Just curious because they have that bedding in compound on the surface. I used to use them, but nowdays I'm mostly driving on street and reverted to normal stock brakepads.
Yes I did bed them in. I followed the instructions given on their website. I can't fault them for being an 'uprated' street pads. Sure, lots of people will recommend more expensive brands but they work better with more heat that we hardly ever reach on the road.
PerformanceCars but you still managed to melt them, so means you really pushed them to the limits (and beyond) :) I never did manage to melt mine.
Waiting how those CL pads will fare in a track day in you future videos!
Yes, I absolutely nailed the brakes on every corner until I felt the pedal going close to the floor and subsequently getting the brake fluid warning light.
I really can't fault the CL pads. I think I will need to upgrade my callipers before I can't destroy the CL's.
First thing you should do is flush that brake fluid with new, it looks years old from the colour and will probably have a load of water in it which is probably what contributed/caused your fade issue.
kumho le ecsta sport tyres i find are awesome. but thats on my del sol
I had these tyres on my Accord Type R and they were ok on track. I then switched them to Too T1R and the difference was huge. But then again, I used the Yokohama AD08R and that blows them both out of the water.
How are the AD08Rs in comparison with S001 and RE050 on the street ? Which grip better on the street ??
Hey Mre M, it's hard to say when you put it that way as street driving doesn't involve any sort of speeding or hard cornering. It will also depend how you drive on the street too. The tyres you mentioned work best with heat in them, not a great amount but some.
I've used all 3 tyres on my S2000 and the AD08R is grippiest then the RE050 followed by the S001. I never like the S001 for some reason. What car will you be using it on?
Did you break them in?
Nice S2k!
does anyone know what is better, EBC or Wilwood brakes?
Good question.
You sound like Lewis Hamilton!! Those pads look knackered. Change your rotors as well man.
this is what happens when you choose the wrong pad , and then don't break them in properly , and clearly you don't know what youre doing if you just put brand new pads on with those same rotors...... do you really think they'll break in , or wear properly ? .... literally says in the description " On Japanese cars built with lower friction FF rated pads these deliver a full grade higher stopping " , as well as "Suitable for shorter track events and race use" . so between install , and return , you put 600 miles on them, right ? and how much of that was break in ? and buddy club coilovers. . please stop reviewing cars if you have no clue how to select quality parts , or taste in them for that matter. blames manufacturer .LOL. ...
twistymcslide2 My thoughts exactly. The clown knows the rotor surfaces are trashed, but just throws on new pads. If that is how he installed the yellowstuff pads, then that would explain the pad failure. He needs to get some automotive education, before making an fool of himself on the internet.
you saved me from writing this. basically every part on a car need a "break in" or "sit in" period.
im so so sorry being honest upset's you .
My last set of EBC yellow pads were extremely easy to break in. From 60 to 0 then repeat 3 times as fast as you could. I used them on a BMW 645ci and had 12,000 miles on mine when I sold it with no issues. Now I did not do track days but I still got an even ware on them unlike these brakes. It almost looked like the caliper slides were not lubed properly.
EBC isnt the problem. i run their pads and rotors.
Nobody mentioning the fact that he did 900km on a track day???? That's a track marathon!!!!!
In fact, it's a endurance race !.
I dont race, whats better power for street, EBC yellow stuff or EBC Redstuff
Reds
what is the dimension of the front wheel what you are using? 7x17?
How many km/miles were those pads driven for?
Hi, they were used for 897.2 kilometres or around 560 miles.
Did you bed everything in?
Ferodo DS 2500 please.
What use to use & love on my track VW MK2 Scirocco Scala 1.8injection till I got rid of it late 2000's. Now have a VW Polo BlueGT (2015 6c facelift) with the 150ps 1.4TSI....love to use Ferodo DS2500's again but don't seem to be able find them for mine (unless my brakes are identical fitment as the 6r/6C Polo GTI (but not painted red). Also even back with the MK2 Scirocco used factory discs with no ill effects (but did proper bedding in process).... assume could do again with my BlueGT's factory discs.
Double price from yellowstuffs.
The pads lasted only one track day?
Yep, 3/4 of a trackday to be exact. And that was at Blyton park, you can see a video of it here th-cam.com/video/eUSqgz_lYAA/w-d-xo.html
I am really aggressive on the brakes so these pads are not suited for my driving style.
Nice driving, that track looks really narrow, no room for errors at all. Shoulda drove with the top down, your helmet would have given you more down force. LOL
Leon Lo in EBC' defence they do say green and yellow stuff pads are not suitable for track use 😂
EBC website says that Yellow Stuff pads are for short track and race use.
For longer races Orange Stuff pads should be used.
I'm going away from EBC brand, neverending issues with fading, shimmy etc.
New pads=new rotors, everytime. FYI, all EBC pads make a lot of noise. Red, yellow, etc., all noisy
And what sport brake pads are not noisy ?...
EBC pads are the most copied pads in the world, cheap Chinese pads are sprayed to any of EBC's colours. Make sure you buy them from any of the big tuning shops not cheap ebay sellers.
I'd resurface those front rotors
try the orange stuff ..
You should try the motul rbf 660 brake fluid
Endless brake fluid is better.
@@mdev8846 cool to know. I checked the price though and it's quite a lot. Like 3 to 4 times more expensive. Around 150 euros just for brake fluid is quite a lot I'd say.
You should have been using the OrangeStuff not yellowstuff.
Bro yellow stuff are for street not for race. You need race pads for track
Don't use cheap rotors , get dimpled / slotted rotors , pads premature worn from bad brake disk
Try ebc orange
Halfords power :))
Is it just me or to that engine sound knackered like a box of nails and screws jangling , rattling about sounds like you have thrashed your motor
Get some cooling for your brakes and enjoy alot longer pad and disc life ! you are really overheating your brakes :(
that jdm dash though
Try stoptech?
Hey Nevric, this was just a test to see how well the EBC Yellowstuff handles to track use as everyone always says how crap they are. I've tried Stoptech but it's quite similar to these.
PerformanceCars ok my friend, had the idea that stoptech was a better investment.