Tyler seems like one of the realest people in all of sports. He seems like he's comfortable with himself. Definitely seems like a guy I'd want to be friends with.
His book, THE SECRET RACE, is very up close and personal. I’d like to take him to dinner and ask some questions and listen to his side of what’s happened after the book was released.
Thanks to Tyler for being brutally honest, he's cleansing his soul. I remember hearing an interview with Orel Hersheiser about the doping in baseball, he said, what was I suppose to do , bring down my sport?
Thank you, Tyler for your great work, your entertaining racing -- a real joy to watch! You have a following of your own you don't yet realize! Keep connected with cycling, for it would be very disappointing to not see you involved. Create a venue and we will all come -- after all, you cannot be disinvited from something you create. Create it, come on youtube and invite us, we will come!
Tyler is a cool guy. Lance's vo2 max was 78 to Lemond's 94 to Indurain's and Froome's 88 to Vingegaard's 94 - but Indurain's heart beat pm was lowest at 28/30. Wiggins' was 40. Pogacar's is 36. 78 is low for recovery in stage races. Pidcock stated that the 2024 Paris - Roubaix was just too fast to be 'normal'. He finished 6 minutes behind Van Der Poel. Van Der Poel looked way to fresh, there was no struggle, no tiredness, no contest, no second wind during the race. The last guy to cross the line was faster than Cancellara when he won it! The numbers recorded here may not be 100% - there are small variations in various reports.
I believe 100% that Lance is a complete narcissist and even today has only admitted to what he's absolutely had too to get by. That he's never truly sought out forgiveness from all those he destroyed and or tried to destroy. Nor does he care if he doesn't have too or if it doesn't benefit him. Even today the way he talks about Floyd is disgusting.
If anyone could, or should lead a truth and reconciliation process, it should be Tyler Hamilton. I've read his book, I've watched many interviews in which he has featured and he always seems contrite and accepting of what he did and where it has led him. He seems at peace and has acquiesced to his past. There is no agenda in his interviews and no desire to force the conversation away from the truth. Perhaps he might be a more fitting 30 for 30 subject than Lance Armstrong? I don't understand why we persist with Lance's story. There has always been an unwillingness to disclose the truth fully and he still protects the narrative. That still makes him complicit to the Omerta. I found the documentary unpleasant because there are a thousand directions and questions that could have been asked that weren't. Until this questions are answered, we will never know and he will never really be forgiven by the many millions he duped. I could listen to Tyler Hamilton all day long and I bet he'd ask those questions of himself, no matter what the consequence or the hurt. Now that would be a documentary to watch and treasure. Well done Tyler for shining some light into a very dark place.
What questions do you want answered that have not been? You want his daily doping schedule with dosages and information on brands of his syringes? What "truth" is he hiding? He admitted he doped throughout his career. Your post is mostly gibberish, but one thing I do agree is why the hell are we still talking about Lance's doping? It's idiotic.There is doping all around, in just about every sport.
@Christy Dolan Who cares? Get a life. It’s this new trend to exhume and punish people for past, now irrelevant, mistakes. He admitted it, got punished, and moved on. People like you continue to be obsessed and waste energy and time. What freaking difference would it make? None. Beyond annoying.
Super ,open talk! And a real impressive no-holds admittance .He really impresses as a good person, and just how easy it is to make bad decisions that are impossible to erase. Tyler canbe held upas an example for all in this great sport. AndI am not condemning Lance as this Reflects just how easy it is to be misdirected down an unforgiving road,and the consequences . Cycling needs more like Tyler if it is to survive the abuse of pro,commercial teams and weekmanagement at all levels,and I include the controlling organisations here. M.H.
Great words from Tyler, very measured. I understand that fingers want to be pointed, about how people are, and their personalities. But you need to consider the environment, this is the top level of this sport and there are many strong and determined personalities. It is about winning, sponsors want results, a lot of money is at stake. Their will always be clashes at this level between egos, same with F1. Lance was successful because he was committed to "whatever it takes" so maybe this whole live stream is a little judgemental about something that happened 20 years ago. Doping was part of winning, Lance was not a lone figure in this regard.
always interesting to watch and listen to Tyler. What I never get asked is why, in a world where everyone was dope, no one managed to beat Lance Armstrong. Was it because of the so complex doping methodology of his team, or was it because he used a motor, or simply because when dope he was just simply better than everyone?
While I can't speak to the Armstrong reasoning specifically, keep in mind that at any given time there are typically 2-3 doping "experts" that everyone goes to in with a certain sport. In essence, these doping gurus provide their services to multiple athletes and/or teams within the same sport. Normally they provide a tiered level of support, whereby you pay an amount to achieve a certain degree of return on your "investment" in the doping program. The doping gurus are providing a service, so they need to ensure their clients that pay the most also achieve the biggest gains and success for their doping expertise. They wouldn't be able to run a successful business if the athlete paying bottom dollar achieves the same results as someone paying top dollar. There's obviously layers of complexity beyond this including, exclusivity contracts and how the individual reacts mentally and physically to treatments and substances, but at its most basic level it's a simple business transaction more often than not.
Absolutely agree Peter. I still find the subject fascinating but for feck's sake learn how to ask a question! I had to take PEDs just to watch it to the end.
On Armstrong being affected by his tough dad. Lots of athletes had have had tough, driving fathers. It's so widespread that it may be the rule rather than the exception. Many have no father at all. Forgives nothing. Deal with it.
Armstrong and his machine destroyed countless careers, reputations and lives. His narcissism knows no bounds and now he's still making excuses. He deserves no sympathy. It should never be forgotten, the carnage he brought to the sport and to so many decent people. Blaming others just doesn't cut it.
Lance was asked “Where are your jerseys, do u have them on display at your house?” Lance yes Absolutely. In other words, he isn’t sorry at all. FYI I have as many Tour de France wins as Lance
I enjoyed hearing Tyler's perspective. My question would be Can people really handle the truth. I suspect not. Lots of people want to win and the sad thing is we herald only 1 winner, 1 goat, 1 champ. Truth and perspective are conundrums.
Kevin Livingstone was Lance's first lieutenant at USPS, long before Tyler Hamilton. If you can get Livingstone to talk, he'd tell the early story. Jan Ullrich is the other rider who could shed new light on the doping situation back then. I don't think Ully would talk, but you never know until you ask him.
Good conversation. I’ve listened to so many interviews and come away with how similar the stories are to addicts. Chasing the high. From the preparation ( which this sport includes immense training, both physically and mentally) acquiring, administering , denying, justifying using, lying and experiencing the effects of the doping… which in this case is winning. ( Let’s not forget the higher the heightened dopamine surge that comes from the sport itself- its intoxicating like a runners high) Coming out of that requires alot of introspection and also identifying character defects. Each persons journey in “recovery” is their own. I enjoyed watching cycling those Tours and still do. Do I think they’re doping now? Yea, more than likely. I do have a question- did the team Hamilton go to use doping as well?
I can't tell if it's purposely or not but they let him answer and don't acknowledge that he's answered. They don't say a word and Tyler feels like they're waiting for more and he starts "yeah, you know, yeah, but yeah. For sure. You know". I don't notice it in any other interview he's done over the years. I get it and understand why that tactic would be used but it makes it feel like it's an interrogation and not an interview. Tyler's a legit guy. Nothing but respect for him.
Altitude training was like a shot of epic but as the tour would go on it would drop dramatically so hence blood bags and micro dosing during. This leads me to think as they would only look at H-crit above 50 why didn't they look at cyclist's bloods during and see if they held a steady H-crit after weeks of racing it should indicate something.
Tyler I have question that hasn't been ask as far as I know. Why Lance? What I mean is there were many young very talented American riders at that pro level back then. You, Vande Velde, Landis, Andreu, Casey, Cruz, Heras, & Leiphiemer to name few. Why not one of them? Why Lance? Why was he the 'Chosen One" any thoughts? Lance appears to be the one most likly to do whatever it takes to Win. I'm Not talking about skill or training, I'm talking about finding an edge. Like Doping. So maybe the powers to be saw in Lance what they didn't see in the rest. A guy that is willing to do anything they say, legal or not, to win. I don't know Lance? But I have spoken to George H a few times at charity rides many years ago. He's a nice guy. Like you he feels he was collateral damage but relieved it finally came out. Geroge had no idea Why Lance? He said "Natual Selction I guess?" as joke.
Apparently Antonio Cruz was always clean. This is a reason he was never part of the biggest races or the 'A' team, Or so I've heard from someone that would be likely know.
There are some fantastic insights in the 2 lance documentaries, about this very question. The 2 biggest factors (aside from his ambition that u mentioned) was him hitting it off so well w Dr Ferrari, who essentially invented how to dope for cyclists, and Lance was his perfect student and creation or frankenstein. Another journo summed it up that it became a competition of who had the best doctors/money/influence/willingness for risk, and Lance was that guy of his era.
There are some decisions that are made before people get to see the races. In cycling, everyone knows who the key cyclist will be, and everyone else to an extent has to subjugate his/her own talent to the star. That's why they're called _domestique,_ or servant. Even in individual sports like foot racing, a lot is based on who a sponsor thinks can win and be marketable.
I respect these guys for telling their story but I still think they're kind of holding back a little. And I think they knew full well what they were doing right from the get-go.
Hahahah....that whole “awe shucks, we were young and innocent” schtick is such utter laughable BS. He spins incessantly with rationalizations and justifications and his naive act. He, at the same time, pretends to be stupid and a “thinker”. He knew from the git-go that cycling was rife with doping, particularly at the top. He plays the story with himself as the hapless victim with natural talent, and Lance as the bad guy who was ungrateful for Tyler’s loyalty and strong armed the sweet, innocent Tyler. But hey...if your dog is named tugboat, you’ve gotta be the good guy, right?
Its sad but Lance brought this all on himself and his teammates. Had he parked his ego and not returned to the Tour after 7 wins, none of this would been discussed and dragged thru the mud. I feel sorry for Tyler, Hincapi, etc
Why do you feel for hamilton, hincapi etc.....they made a lot of money out of his success. LH never took the payments for his wins, it was all given to his team mates. After all the backstabbings that came from them.....did they ever consider giving the money back. NO THEY TOOK IT ALL.................THEN ACCUSED HIM OF EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.
Neil Chapman that’s a fictional retelling of history there mate. The winnings from the TDF are traditionally shared among teammates, however it’s not substantial coin in the scheme of a career. Lance was vilified for his relentless persecution of anyone who tried to out him as a liar. Everyone must face there actions.
Yea, everything else aside, the blame game, and.who pushed who, that is true, should have just left it at seven and walked away and his positive place, along with the rest, in history are sealed.
After all’s said and done, Lance turned every race into a spectacle the likes of which cycling enthusiasts had never seen before, bad boy maybe but people still to this day get a thrill out watching him leave the others eating his dust.
Dudes, you’re describing narcissistic personality disorder🤷♀️ They actually can look like normal humans, but they are bots driven by an ever-running motor fueled by making everyone else feel small and unimportant (their center is a black hole where their sense of self goes to die).
how is this any diff than baseball? hell those guys get to keep their records..... and they are allowed to keep in the sport if anything baseball was worse
"Is the villian part real" Uh, seriously? He ruined people's life to defend his lies. teammates, competitors, journalists, Greg Lemond, critics, wives of teammates, his ex masseuse. All because they told the truth. Yeah dude, the villain part is real.
@@franqueworren7323 Way to counter facts with fantasy, conjecture, and smears, cinder block head. Not hard to tell why you are a fan of this utter POS.
@@ericjames7819 No, he didn’t. How could he possibly know that? He said on his first OTB podcast that plenty were but NOT all. He said you had to be on the juice to win. That’s different.
I don’t understand why pro biking has to come clean, while every other pro sport is doped to the gills with the sound of crickets. Lance Armstrong won the tour, seven times, and I don’t care what drugs he took!
Everyone wants to maintain the public's fantasy. This is the public that wants to believe that someone can look like The Rock without using steroids, lol. The public wants to see the results it likes without knowing how it is achieved.
Good lord, man, Tyler looks and sounds like he's on drugs. He is and always has been a terrible interview. He has nothing new to add or say and it takes him a long time time to say it.
@@marcdaniels9079 I'm with you. Lance has the glossy Madison Avenue coat but underneath he is a robot without feelings. Tyler Hamilton comes across as a much better human being. Kudos to him for his truth telling.
@@gcooper7633 Sorry, what? Are you talking to me? You must have me mistaken for an "interviewee who is looking for work." I've got a job, but thanks anyway.
A lot of non sense about Armstrong and doping. Doping is everywhere. In all sports. Armstrong & collaborartors were just "smarter" on avoiding rules. Also they are smarter on doing that often and in smaller doses.
NiteRider Band bullying is prevalent among bad people. Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Are you simplistic enough to thing if communism or socialism would turn bad people pure?
It’s not about you telling the truth, you spoke for other people, that’s not up to you to decide. You could have talked about your own actions and not others. Especially not calling out other people. Who could trust someone like you?
I love how you're wrong on SO MANY levels. Morality aside, d'you really think he'd be more trustworthy if he revealed LESS? Lance tried that in the Oprah inverview. He made his situation WORSE. This aint school anymore. Its the adult world. Rules are a bit different. You'll learn in a few years. Till then, stay in school, dont do drugs, stay sharp
Sometimes, it takes someone from the inside to pet the rest of us know how bad it really is. Asteriskstrong had every chance to confess and take a lighter punishment. If you watch the documentary, he was offered a chance to come clean right up until USADA put the hammer down.
@@garethdoyle6231 Tyler did not come clean until he faced perjury charges if he had lied to the Feds! He doped just as much and as long as anybody on that U.S.P.S. team. But I guess better late than going to jail!!
Armstrong is and was a cheat. He definitely does not have any remorse for what he did to the sport of cycling. All he thinks about is how much money he made. It is incredible that you think Armstrong is somebody to be looked up to. You must be a cheat yourself. It is the only reason you can justify a cheat.
@@kaboomblueskies Armstrong did nothing to the sport of cycling. It was full of doping when he entered, and it was full of doping when he left. In fact, right now in 2020, it is still full of doping. So how is that Armstrong's fault? Everybody was cheating, including the clown in this interview. People are just upset that Armstrong beat them at their own game, and their only defense against him was to snitch on him, even though they were all doing the same thing, which makes them even scummier than Armstrong.
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Tyler seems like one of the realest people in all of sports. He seems like he's comfortable with himself. Definitely seems like a guy I'd want to be friends with.
I know I am kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good place to watch newly released movies online?
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His book, THE SECRET RACE, is very up close and personal. I’d like to take him to dinner and ask some questions and listen to his side of what’s happened after the book was released.
he‘s the man! thank you Tyler Hamilton for your honesty over the last years.
Thanks to Tyler for being brutally honest, he's cleansing his soul. I remember hearing an interview with Orel Hersheiser about the doping in baseball, he said, what was I suppose to do , bring down my sport?
Thank you, Tyler for your great work, your entertaining racing -- a real joy to watch! You have a following of your own you don't yet realize! Keep connected with cycling, for it would be very disappointing to not see you involved. Create a venue and we will all come -- after all, you cannot be disinvited from something you create. Create it, come on youtube and invite us, we will come!
Tyler is a cool guy. Lance's vo2 max was 78 to Lemond's 94 to Indurain's and Froome's 88 to Vingegaard's 94 - but Indurain's heart beat pm was lowest at 28/30. Wiggins' was 40. Pogacar's is 36. 78 is low for recovery in stage races. Pidcock stated that the 2024 Paris - Roubaix was just too fast to be 'normal'. He finished 6 minutes behind Van Der Poel. Van Der Poel looked way to fresh, there was no struggle, no tiredness, no contest, no second wind during the race. The last guy to cross the line was faster than Cancellara when he won it! The numbers recorded here may not be 100% - there are small variations in various reports.
Whatever their motivations, Tyler and Floyd did the right thing in the end - respect and good luck to them both. Betsy is the hero.
In an age where so many pro athletes come off as not being very decent people, this guy is the opposite. I have a lot of respect for him personally.
I believe 100% that Lance is a complete narcissist and even today has only admitted to what he's absolutely had too to get by. That he's never truly sought out forgiveness from all those he destroyed and or tried to destroy. Nor does he care if he doesn't have too or if it doesn't benefit him. Even today the way he talks about Floyd is disgusting.
If anyone could, or should lead a truth and reconciliation process, it should be Tyler Hamilton.
I've read his book, I've watched many interviews in which he has featured and he always seems contrite and accepting of what he did and where it has led him. He seems at peace and has acquiesced to his past.
There is no agenda in his interviews and no desire to force the conversation away from the truth.
Perhaps he might be a more fitting 30 for 30 subject than Lance Armstrong?
I don't understand why we persist with Lance's story. There has always been an unwillingness to disclose the truth fully and he still protects the narrative. That still makes him complicit to the Omerta. I found the documentary unpleasant because there are a thousand directions and questions that could have been asked that weren't. Until this questions are answered, we will never know and he will never really be forgiven by the many millions he duped.
I could listen to Tyler Hamilton all day long and I bet he'd ask those questions of himself, no matter what the consequence or the hurt. Now that would be a documentary to watch and treasure. Well done Tyler for shining some light into a very dark place.
Hamilton doesn't come to any of this with clean hands. He got caught and when he got caught he concocted an absurd chimera defence.
What questions do you want answered that have not been? You want his daily doping schedule with dosages and information on brands of his syringes? What "truth" is he hiding? He admitted he doped throughout his career. Your post is mostly gibberish, but one thing I do agree is why the hell are we still talking about Lance's doping? It's idiotic.There is doping all around, in just about every sport.
The main thing that I realized watching him talk about it is just how big of a psychopath he really is. Lance Asteriskstrong will forever be tainted.
@Christy Dolan Who cares? Get a life. It’s this new trend to exhume and punish people for past, now irrelevant, mistakes. He admitted it, got punished, and moved on. People like you continue to be obsessed and waste energy and time. What freaking difference would it make? None. Beyond annoying.
Super ,open talk! And a real impressive no-holds admittance .He really impresses as a good person, and just how easy it is to make bad decisions that are impossible to erase.
Tyler canbe held upas an example for all in this great sport. AndI am not condemning Lance as this
Reflects just how easy it is to be misdirected down an unforgiving road,and the consequences .
Cycling needs more like Tyler if it is to survive the abuse of pro,commercial teams and weekmanagement at all levels,and I include the controlling organisations here.
M.H.
Great words from Tyler, very measured. I understand that fingers want to be pointed, about how people are, and their personalities. But you need to consider the environment, this is the top level of this sport and there are many strong and determined personalities. It is about winning, sponsors want results, a lot of money is at stake. Their will always be clashes at this level between egos, same with F1. Lance was successful because he was committed to "whatever it takes" so maybe this whole live stream is a little judgemental about something that happened 20 years ago. Doping was part of winning, Lance was not a lone figure in this regard.
always interesting to watch and listen to Tyler. What I never get asked is why, in a world where everyone was dope, no one managed to beat Lance Armstrong. Was it because of the so complex doping methodology of his team, or was it because he used a motor, or simply because when dope he was just simply better than everyone?
While I can't speak to the Armstrong reasoning specifically, keep in mind that at any given time there are typically 2-3 doping "experts" that everyone goes to in with a certain sport. In essence, these doping gurus provide their services to multiple athletes and/or teams within the same sport. Normally they provide a tiered level of support, whereby you pay an amount to achieve a certain degree of return on your "investment" in the doping program. The doping gurus are providing a service, so they need to ensure their clients that pay the most also achieve the biggest gains and success for their doping expertise. They wouldn't be able to run a successful business if the athlete paying bottom dollar achieves the same results as someone paying top dollar. There's obviously layers of complexity beyond this including, exclusivity contracts and how the individual reacts mentally and physically to treatments and substances, but at its most basic level it's a simple business transaction more often than not.
Well said Tyler Hamilton. So good that you came clean, no matter how late the truth is.
God bless you guys.
Great interview from Tyler I trust him I think we all know who he is talking about within cycling now.
TH, you are a good man, heads up my friend!!!!!!
I’ve watched loads of TH interviews & speaking engagements since his book. His saying “fer sure” every 90 seconds or so is quite a verbal tic. 😄
It is, for sure.
Ya kno
You know 500x
Crushing your opponents is the only thing that matters in racing.
Part two tells a lot more about his apologies. Very good program.
Thank you Tyler hamilton for blowing the wistle on armstrong. ❤
Jaysus lads, can you possibly ask a succinct question for a change! :D
I think you must have watched a different video bro.
Absolutely agree Peter. I still find the subject fascinating but for feck's sake learn how to ask a question! I had to take PEDs just to watch it to the end.
On Armstrong being affected by his tough dad. Lots of athletes had have had tough, driving fathers. It's so widespread that it may be the rule rather than the exception. Many have no father at all. Forgives nothing. Deal with it.
Cycling has a lot in common with pro wrestling
Armstrong and his machine destroyed countless careers, reputations and lives. His narcissism knows no bounds and now he's still making excuses. He deserves no sympathy. It should never be forgotten, the carnage he brought to the sport and to so many decent people. Blaming others just doesn't cut it.
You should be a comedian. What a talent. Great job👍🏻
I think what happened is Lance had full pass to dope with whatever and whenever he wanted from the head of UCI.
$$$$$
Lance was asked
“Where are your jerseys, do u have them on display at your house?”
Lance yes Absolutely.
In other words, he isn’t sorry at all.
FYI
I have as many Tour de France wins as Lance
I’m guessing Tyler won’t be going on Lance’s podcast 😆
I enjoyed hearing Tyler's perspective. My question would be Can people really handle the truth. I suspect not. Lots of people want to win and the sad thing is we herald only 1 winner, 1 goat, 1 champ. Truth and perspective are conundrums.
Kevin Livingstone was Lance's first lieutenant at USPS, long before Tyler Hamilton. If you can get Livingstone to talk, he'd tell the early story. Jan Ullrich is the other rider who could shed new light on the doping situation back then. I don't think Ully would talk, but you never know until you ask him.
Ulrich is messed up, wouldn’t trust anything he tells anyway
Good conversation. I’ve listened to so many interviews and come away with how similar the stories are to addicts. Chasing the high. From the preparation ( which this sport includes immense training, both physically and mentally) acquiring, administering , denying, justifying using, lying and experiencing the effects of the doping… which in this case is winning. ( Let’s not forget the higher the heightened dopamine surge that comes from the sport itself- its intoxicating like a runners high)
Coming out of that requires alot of introspection and also identifying character defects. Each persons journey in “recovery” is their own. I enjoyed watching cycling those Tours and still do. Do I think they’re doping now? Yea, more than likely.
I do have a question- did the team Hamilton go to use doping as well?
What an amazing coffee mug
I can't tell if it's purposely or not but they let him answer and don't acknowledge that he's answered. They don't say a word and Tyler feels like they're waiting for more and he starts "yeah, you know, yeah, but yeah. For sure. You know". I don't notice it in any other interview he's done over the years. I get it and understand why that tactic would be used but it makes it feel like it's an interrogation and not an interview.
Tyler's a legit guy. Nothing but respect for him.
Agree. Totally judging him and trying to make it like a teacher student kind of interrogation.
I have a silly question: why didn't they just train at altitude?
Altitude training was like a shot of epic but as the tour would go on it would drop dramatically so hence blood bags and micro dosing during.
This leads me to think as they would only look at H-crit above 50 why didn't they look at cyclist's bloods during and see if they held a steady H-crit after weeks of racing it should indicate something.
*Epo
They do train at altitude,particularly in training camps
They did but so did everyone else
I'd like to talk to Tyler about Mt. Washington
the delay makes this hard work for tyler
Bicycle raceing. Tough sport.
Great work lads. Both enjoyable and informative, the hour flew.
Tyler I have question that hasn't been ask as far as I know. Why Lance? What I mean is there were many young very talented American riders at that pro level back then. You, Vande Velde, Landis, Andreu, Casey, Cruz, Heras, & Leiphiemer to name few. Why not one of them? Why Lance? Why was he the 'Chosen One" any thoughts? Lance appears to be the one most likly to do whatever it takes to Win. I'm Not talking about skill or training, I'm talking about finding an edge. Like Doping. So maybe the powers to be saw in Lance what they didn't see in the rest. A guy that is willing to do anything they say, legal or not, to win. I don't know Lance? But I have spoken to George H a few times at charity rides many years ago. He's a nice guy. Like you he feels he was collateral damage but relieved it finally came out. Geroge had no idea Why Lance? He said "Natual Selction I guess?" as joke.
Apparently Antonio Cruz was always clean. This is a reason he was never part of the biggest races or the 'A' team, Or so I've heard from someone that would be likely know.
There are some fantastic insights in the 2 lance documentaries, about this very question. The 2 biggest factors (aside from his ambition that u mentioned) was him hitting it off so well w Dr Ferrari, who essentially invented how to dope for cyclists, and Lance was his perfect student and creation or frankenstein.
Another journo summed it up that it became a competition of who had the best doctors/money/influence/willingness for risk, and Lance was that guy of his era.
There are some decisions that are made before people get to see the races. In cycling, everyone knows who the key cyclist will be, and everyone else to an extent has to subjugate his/her own talent to the star. That's why they're called _domestique,_ or servant.
Even in individual sports like foot racing, a lot is based on who a sponsor thinks can win and be marketable.
Truth . Thank you.
Thanks....enjoyed that!
Well done lads
I respect these guys for telling their story but I still think they're kind of holding back a little. And I think they knew full well what they were doing right from the get-go.
These guys can't interview
The greatest cyclists ever! Full stop!
Hahahah....that whole “awe shucks, we were young and innocent” schtick is such utter laughable BS. He spins incessantly with rationalizations and justifications and his naive act. He, at the same time, pretends to be stupid and a “thinker”. He knew from the git-go that cycling was rife with doping, particularly at the top. He plays the story with himself as the hapless victim with natural talent, and Lance as the bad guy who was ungrateful for Tyler’s loyalty and strong armed the sweet, innocent Tyler.
But hey...if your dog is named tugboat, you’ve gotta be the good guy, right?
Hi Lance
Its sad but Lance brought this all on himself and his teammates. Had he parked his ego and not returned to the Tour after 7 wins, none of this would been discussed and dragged thru the mud. I feel sorry for Tyler, Hincapi, etc
Why do you feel for hamilton, hincapi etc.....they made a lot of money out of his success. LH never took the payments for his wins, it was all given to his team mates. After all the backstabbings that came from them.....did they ever consider giving the money back. NO THEY TOOK IT ALL.................THEN ACCUSED HIM OF EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.
Neil Chapman that’s a fictional retelling of history there mate. The winnings from the TDF are traditionally shared among teammates, however it’s not substantial coin in the scheme of a career. Lance was vilified for his relentless persecution of anyone who tried to out him as a liar. Everyone must face there actions.
Yea, everything else aside, the blame game, and.who pushed who, that is true, should have just left it at seven and walked away and his positive place, along with the rest, in history are sealed.
@@neilchapman9266 do you mean they told the truth?
Hamilton went to another team and doped. Over and over again without Lance. So did Landis. So did Levi. Lol
I think Hamilton is actually older than Armstrong.
After all’s said and done, Lance turned every race into a spectacle the likes of which cycling enthusiasts had never seen before, bad boy maybe but people still to this day get a thrill out watching him leave the others eating his dust.
What more does Tyler think Lance needs to reveal to be telling the full truth?
Jaysus lads.
Dudes, you’re describing narcissistic personality disorder🤷♀️ They actually can look like normal humans, but they are bots driven by an ever-running motor fueled by making everyone else feel small and unimportant (their center is a black hole where their sense of self goes to die).
how is this any diff than baseball?
hell those guys get to keep their records..... and they are allowed to keep in the sport
if anything baseball was worse
Can you guys ask one question at a time instead of 6 questions in a 600-word question? Easier for the listeners and the interviewees. Cheers
Jesus dude you didn't murder anyone you did what you had to do to even the playing field. Suck it up this is what any pro sport is about.
He must be SO sick if talking about this stuff. It probably drives him nuts! The feel fir him. My advice is... start a new chapter.
"Is the villian part real"
Uh, seriously? He ruined people's life to defend his lies. teammates, competitors, journalists, Greg Lemond, critics, wives of teammates, his ex masseuse. All because they told the truth. Yeah dude, the villain part is real.
@@franqueworren7323 Way to counter facts with fantasy, conjecture, and smears, cinder block head. Not hard to tell why you are a fan of this utter POS.
Greg Lemond was a cheat too. Don't believe his nonsense. They all did!
Drugs effects = big hands.
Just the growth hormone at high levels nothing else
A bit pointless doing this after just the one episode.
Seems like the interviewers are haters,
I doubt they are though
Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy.. So get over your it
That's what people don't want to admit Blaming Armstrong is a distraction.
Except not everyone was roiding. At all.
@@FannyShmellar Hamilton and Landis testified that everyone was doing it.
@@ericjames7819 No, he didn’t. How could he possibly know that? He said on his first OTB podcast that plenty were but NOT all. He said you had to be on the juice to win. That’s different.
@@FannyShmellar I've seen it
I don’t understand why pro biking has to come clean, while every other pro sport is doped to the gills with the sound of crickets. Lance Armstrong won the tour, seven times, and I don’t care what drugs he took!
Everyone wants to maintain the public's fantasy. This is the public that wants to believe that someone can look like The Rock without using steroids, lol. The public wants to see the results it likes without knowing how it is achieved.
wtf Tyler?
i raced against u guys.
Lot of parallels between Lance and Trump!
Tim OBrien lance can actually cycle.
Tim OBrien yep both narcissists
Of course anyone who excels to a world stage are all the same traits and personality
TRUMP is the greatest
Lance is a druggie
i let christen and george come past me in races out of respect.
En español 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Lance was a cheat. Tyler was a cheat and a rat
Good lord, man, Tyler looks and sounds like he's on drugs. He is and always has been a terrible interview. He has nothing new to add or say and it takes him a long time time to say it.
He's pretty slow alright
Completely disagree. He is honest intelligent and considered. I would rather have that any day than Lance’s polished eloquent patter of lies.
@@marcdaniels9079 I'm with you. Lance has the glossy Madison Avenue coat but underneath he is a robot without feelings. Tyler Hamilton comes across as a much better human being. Kudos to him for his truth telling.
What a horrible comment. MG you can't even put a sentence together. Interviewee is the work your looking for.
@@gcooper7633 Sorry, what? Are you talking to me? You must have me mistaken for an "interviewee who is looking for work." I've got a job, but thanks anyway.
A lot of non sense about Armstrong and doping. Doping is everywhere. In all sports. Armstrong & collaborartors were just "smarter" on avoiding rules. Also they are smarter on doing that often and in smaller doses.
And they sued and destroyed people. Awesome
Pssssst, FYI Bullying is a fact of life....human nature, animal social behavior, prevalent in Capitalistic workplace. Get real.
NiteRider Band bullying is prevalent among bad people. Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Are you simplistic enough to thing if communism or socialism would turn bad people pure?
So are lawsuits against bully’s
It’s not about you telling the truth, you spoke for other people, that’s not up to you to decide. You could have talked about your own actions and not others. Especially not calling out other people. Who could trust someone like you?
I love how you're wrong on SO MANY levels. Morality aside, d'you really think he'd be more trustworthy if he revealed LESS? Lance tried that in the Oprah inverview. He made his situation WORSE. This aint school anymore. Its the adult world. Rules are a bit different. You'll learn in a few years. Till then, stay in school, dont do drugs, stay sharp
tyler hamilton- is not credible!!!! to say the least
Read his book then you might have a different perspective...
Sometimes, it takes someone from the inside to pet the rest of us know how bad it really is. Asteriskstrong had every chance to confess and take a lighter punishment. If you watch the documentary, he was offered a chance to come clean right up until USADA put the hammer down.
@@garethdoyle6231 Tyler did not come clean until he faced perjury charges if he had lied to the Feds! He doped just as much and as long as anybody on that U.S.P.S. team. But I guess better late than going to jail!!
Give it up already and move on. Pure sour grapes. You made the French very happy.
Armstrong is and was a cheat. He definitely does not have any remorse for what he did to the sport of cycling. All he thinks about is how much money he made. It is incredible that you think Armstrong is somebody to be looked up to. You must be a cheat yourself. It is the only reason you can justify a cheat.
@@kaboomblueskies Armstrong did nothing to the sport of cycling. It was full of doping when he entered, and it was full of doping when he left. In fact, right now in 2020, it is still full of doping. So how is that Armstrong's fault? Everybody was cheating, including the clown in this interview. People are just upset that Armstrong beat them at their own game, and their only defense against him was to snitch on him, even though they were all doing the same thing, which makes them even scummier than Armstrong.
Tyler Hamilton is a weasel